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Morning Joe’s WORST Humiliation Yet!

2024/11/20
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Why did Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski change their stance on Donald Trump?

They realized their previous strategy of demonizing Trump didn't work and decided to engage with him to maintain relevance and access.

What was the reaction to Joe and Mika's meeting with Trump?

Some viewers felt betrayed, calling it a show of obeisance, while others saw it as a necessary move to restart communications in a divided political climate.

Why did the Kamala Harris campaign spend so extravagantly?

The campaign spent lavishly on high-profile events and influencers, likely to create a sense of momentum and appeal to celebrity-driven politics, despite its inefficiency.

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Major brands resumed ad spending on Twitter, seeing an opportunity to align with the new administration and reach a broader audience, despite previous boycotts.

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The hosts of Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, meet with Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago, despite previously comparing him to Hitler and calling him evil incarnate.
  • Scarborough and Brzezinski previously called Trump a Nazi and evil incarnate.
  • They met with Trump to discuss issues like abortion and mass deportation.
  • The hosts agreed to restart communications with Trump.

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Dropped a little video Morning Joe then Donald Trump is comparable to Adolf Hitler morning Joe now We met with Trump at Mar-a-Lago to settle our differences So let's take a look at that video

says that the news network that uh that is most critical of him should be taken off the air this is not a reach I could go back and talk about Nazi Germany and I do it I do it without any concerns whatsoever and if people can't start drawing the parallels well you're just stupid or you have your head in the sand or you're one of them

Over the past week, Joe and I have heard from so many people. Okay, so that was them, as the video says. And I just want to point out, this is the same guy who told you the Joe Biden of today is the best Biden. And if you don't accept that, F you. You're stupid or you're one of them.

Stupid are you one of them this this this is what's so Maddening I think to so many people because you know, they get paid Millions of dollars to be professionally wrong about everything Yeah, and in any other field February if you were a doctor every time you did open-heart surgery They died on the table. They wouldn't keep putting you out there to keep operating on people's hearts these guys, you know, I

Yeah, this is the best Biden. Still got a job. That should be career-ending. If there were any accountability in media, if they were there to inform and not to propagandize, not to peddle a narrative...

they wouldn't have this job they wouldn't have this job i mean by the standards of being right they're just completely incompetent yeah they should call themselves stupid and one of them that should be the name of that as a couple and one of them should have a t-shirt that says i'm with stupid and then the other one should have a t-shirt one of them with the arrow pointing to the other one yeah yeah or or you know have a picture from todd browning's freaks one of us exactly

All right, so that was then, but then this is now. Apparently they're patching things up. Over the past week, Joe and I have heard from so many people, from political leaders to regular citizens, deeply dismayed by several of President-elect Trump's cabinet selections, and they are scared. Last Thursday, we expressed our own concerns on this broadcast and even said we would appreciate the opportunity to speak with the president-elect himself.

On Friday, we were given the opportunity to do just that. Joe and I went to Mar-a-Lago to meet personally with President-elect Trump. It was the first time we have seen him in seven years. Now, we talked about a lot of issues, including abortion, mass deportation, threats of political retribution against political...

Last time we saw him, Mika was bleeding from her face, from her eyes, from her wherever. So we made sure to schedule at a very specific time of the month. I called him a Nazi. I called him a Nazi. Good times. Media outlets. We talked about that a good bit.

And it's going to come as no surprise to anybody who watches this show, has watched it over the past year or over the past decade, that we didn't see eye to eye on a lot of issues. And we told him so. What we did agree on was to restart communications. My father often spoke with world leaders with whom he and the United States profoundly disagreed.

That's a task shared by reporters and commentators alike. We have not spoken to President Trump since March of 2020. Other than a personal call Joe made to Trump on the morning after the attempt on his life in Butler, Pennsylvania.

In this meeting, President Trump was tearful, he was upbeat, he seemed interested in finding common ground with Democrats on some of the most divisive issues. And for those asking why we would go speak to the president-elect during such fraught times, especially between us, I guess I would ask back, why wouldn't we? Five years of political warfare has deeply divided Washington and the country.

A lot of you might not, but we remember Robert Downey Jr. ending his career in irrelevance literally as a circus act appearing in big tents across the country. And we don't want that to be us. We have been as clear as we know how in expressing our deep concerns about President Trump's actions and words in the course of public debate. But for nearly 80 million Americans,

Election denialism, public trials on January 6th were not as important as the issues that moved them to send Donald Trump back to the White House with their vote. Joe and I realized it's time to do something different. And that starts with not only talking about Donald Trump, but also talking with him. Okay. All right. So, you know, people took that surprisingly well.

they took that very well uh so let's uh let's see what the reaction they got for that was a friend of show Jimmy door remember how we said Trump was literal Hitler and he would end democracy and be a fascist dictator well psych yes indeed they seem to be whistling a different tune now

Rafiq, she literally just said he was fascist and that women were going to die if he was elected president. That is what I think our British friends call a sticky wicket that they're in.

Ryan Stelter. Loyal Morning Joe viewers are furious about the Trump meeting. Jeff Jarvis called it a betrayal of their colleagues, democracy, and us all. It is a disgusting show of obeisance in advance.

Some fans are vowing not to watch the show anymore. Now, I know as someone who kind of does this for a living now, I should probably be less ignorant. But but who the fuck is Jeff Jarvis? I never heard of Jeff Jarvis. Is he an MSNBC guy? Is he like? No, no. That's Vision. That's Vision and the Avengers. Who is Jeff Jarvis called it a betrayal of their colleagues? Who is that?

I really don't know. It must be somebody who works at MSNBC. I never heard of him. Is that a host or is that an executive or something? Well, you know, Brian Stelter is the king of relevance. Yeah. People are clamoring to find out. You know, it's just very interesting. He's talking about the threat of fans vowing not to watch the show anymore.

uh both cnn and msnbc completely tanked right after the election p a lot of the viewers that remained and they've been on a downward trajectory for several years there was a big drop-off after the mueller report because you're starting to get down to the dumbest people who still watch this stuff and it's becoming too much for them

So you're getting another layer of dummies who are just going away from these shows. Now you're down to, I don't know, man. I mean, you got people on IVs at the nursing home left at this point. Like, who's watching? And they're not even choosing to watch it. The nurse's aides are putting it on in the room. Like, who is left? At six in the morning.

Yeah, who's left to complain? Who's really left to complain? And of course, I mean, in my opinion, I think it's kind of obvious. That's what this is about. These shows are terrified of sliding into irrelevance. You know, it's funny because if you handed me, you, the average person, Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski money,

that's you money who cares if your show goes off the air right but for these people man once you're at that level you think differently like that money is just a baseline thing that you assume being rich that's not good enough anymore you have to be rich and powerful you have to be rich powerful famous you have to be relevant that's why they would fight that's why they would sacrifice their dignity

to try to keep this piece of garbage show going when they don't need the money there's a way they need to keep this going uh we're going to be collecting bottles and cans if morning Joe goes off the air so what are the what do they need to sacrifice their dignity for that's how narcissistic and egocentric people like this are well I would also say too that I think there is um

a lesson to be learned and a lesson that should have been learned back in 2016, which is that the absolute worst way to attack Donald Trump is to make him into this foreign thing. This just intrinsically out of bounds, disqualified thing. The most effective tact against Trump was always just to normalize him. And that's something that they refused to do. They refused to do in 2016. And then when they lost in 2016, they thought,

It was a weird fluke because she won the popular vote and they were chirping about the Russians and blah, blah, blah. You know, with with a verdict like this, with a popular vote win and a win in every swing state, I think it's it's becoming obvious to people that, you know, they are they're sort of otherizing of Trump, right?

as someone just, like I said, intrinsically out of bounds did not work because that's the exact campaign they ran. They ran a campaign of their message in the campaign. It was not, they didn't run on, uh,

left-wing economics. They didn't even run on wokeness. They ran on Liz Cheney likes Kamala because January 6th was a really scary day. That was their message. And that's what Morning Joe insisted that she run on because Morning Joe, I mean, look, Joe Scarborough is a Republican. He was a Republican. He exited because of Trump and God forbid, right? But, I mean, he's a conservative.

who doesn't like the woke identity politics, and he doesn't like workers to have decent wages. So what does he want the Democrats to do? He wants them to run as basically Republicans who don't do January 6th. That's basically what he wants the Democrats to do. And I think they realize that that is a dead end. And so now I think a lot of people are realizing that they have to engage Democrats

in a policy discussion because this just blanket stigmatization of Trump and the Trump movement has been a total failure. It has been a total failure. They got lucky in 2020 when Trump basically disqualified himself by saying one day, don't worry about COVID, the next day pushing Operation Warp Speed. Then he gets COVID, he says he's fine, then he goes to Walter Reed Hospital. He just...

He disqualified himself, but there was never a successful effort to make any of this other stuff, the lawfare, the January 6th, the Russiagate. There was never a successful effort to make any of that stick. That has failed every time they've tried. And now it's failed to such an extent that he's back after all of this. After eight years, he's back for another four. So they have no choice but to change tactics. And don't forget one final thing.

Joe and Mika liked Donald Trump until 2016. They had him on their show pretty regularly. Like they were chummy. They were not enemies. Right. Well, there's why I say, I think you're giving them more credit than they deserve. I think it's a business move. I think all of these people are, are deeply narcissistic and don't really have any principles. They can see which way the wind is blowing and they're trying to find a way to maintain relevance. And more importantly for journalists to maintain access to

Clearly, these people are going to be in power for the foreseeable future. And this is why I keep comparing this cultural moment to the Reagan revolution where going to what you're saying, where they kind of gave up their resistance and they wound up. Yeah, it started as we're going to listen. We're going to talk. We're going to engage. And it ended up with we're going to be them.

Right. By the time you get to Bill Clinton, we're going to be them. This is why a lot of, a lot of libs would, would protest when you say this because

You know, eventually you guys are going to be supporting somebody like Donald Trump and saying people have to vote for them because they're better than, you know, whatever, you know, Genghis Khan, whatever, whatever the Republicans are running. And this is how you get there. This is how you get there now that yes, they realize what they did didn't work. So what's the next step?

Okay, well, so what ideas do they have that we can co-opt and present ourselves as them? Because they won. That was what happened after Reagan. It was this purging of the New Deal Democrats out of the party, the silence of labor, the silence of the economic left, and the elevation of identity politics and neoliberalism. Yes, of course. Of course. We've got some more reactions here. Okay.

All right, so Glenn Greenwald. I know there are many contenders, but Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski are the two most pathetic worms in corporate media.

They will do and say anything to feel close to power. They both worshipped Trump in 2015 and only turned against him when he wouldn't pick Joe as VP. All right, I know you're not enough of a dork for this, but Marvel Comics had a series, What If, that was like, well, what if Mary Jane became Spider-Man instead of Peter Parker? That would be a great novel. What if Trump had picked Joe Scarborough as

to be to be his vp what alternate reality would that would we be living in um keith oberman look this isn't complex joe scarborough has always been a political whore um you know it takes one to know one keith yes uh you know stop clock right time you're not wrong about this but you might not be the best messenger

Um, so of course the view, which I got to say, they joke about a lot of different shows that their audience is mostly hate watchers. I think the view it's at least 50% of their audiences is hate watching this show.

I mean, even Candace Owens the day after the election tweeted out, what time is The View on? Like, everyone wanted to watch The View meltdown. Myself included, actually. Okay, so The View weighed in on Joe and Mika. And as you can imagine, Sonny was not thrilled. Look. Look.

The bottom line is that America needs a free press that is willing to speak truth to power right now more than ever. And I think that we have to be very clear-eyed when we think about the president-elect and cover the president-elect. And I don't think you need to sit down for 90 minutes

at Mar-a-Lago and kiss his ring to be able to speak truth and to be able to cover a story. So maybe they're not journalists in the true sense. Maybe they're saying that they're opinion journalists, but we have to remember that Trump is the guy

Who ushered in the era of fake news. He is the guy who ushered. That's actually not true. Yes, that's not true. It was actually Hillary Clinton who coined the term fake news when she was giving a speech in the summer of 2016 going after Alex Jones. She called Alex Jones fake news. That was the thing. There's this fake news ecosystem around Trump and then Trump threw it back at them and said, turns out you guys were the fake news the whole time after he won because the fake news the whole time was that I had no chance to win.

Yes, but in terms of the overall concept, that really goes back to the Bush administration, where a lot was made of this. They had some terrifying interviews with some Bush insiders that was very prevalent in the press about truthiness. Truthiness, yeah. About things having the feel of truth. What is truth anyway, right? Oh, sure. Yeah.

Right. Uh, that's really where this started. Fake news. It was the libs who started using the word fake news in the campaign in 2016, the actual phrase fake news. But the idea that we're just going to dispense with the idea that things have to be true. Um, we could just get rid of that. That really started with Bush. They didn't invent political lying.

But they really did put out the innovation of being unapologetic about it and putting out the rather Orwellian idea. Well, if everyone believes it, who's to say what the truth is? Right. Go ahead. In alternative facts, he is the guy who attacked three black female journalists. He's the guy that revoked Jim Acosta's press credentials for asking him a question.

And so I think that this president-elect, I hate to say it, would like nothing more than to have only Fox News cover him, would like nothing more than a state-sponsored media. And I don't think he can...

be trusted in the way that other presidents can be trusted. This is an aberration. But the reality is he doesn't just have Fox News. He didn't do a lot of mainstream media this election, but he went on Joe Rogan and reached 50 million people. OK, so Sonny was actually responding

to a monologue by Alyssa Farrah Griffin that was essentially to the effect of we have to reach out, we have to talk to Donald Trump and his people. Now, a lot of people speculate because she's really been singing that song since the election that she might be hitting that note because she wants to keep her job.

Interesting. Companies realized their bet against Trump and MAGA was a poor choice. The Washington Post and LA Times newspapers are changing their writers to include conservative voices. ABC's The View is panicking to add Trump voices to the show. So if you're one of the people who's meant to represent the conservatives on the show...

your job is in jeopardy maybe you're not trumpy enough so they get somebody trumpier and replace you so that might be why she's been so outspoken since the election but this is what i mean when i compare it to the reagan years the reagan years saw a very fast cultural change um and hey that's commercially driven most of these companies

They're not really ideological. They're not really true believers. In the end, they're sociopathic corporations that want to make a profit. They can see where the wind is blowing. And in the journalism business, what are you going to do? Are you going to spend four years in the wilderness having no access to the White House while the conservative media continues to eat your lunch?

So they're all gonna come around. They're gonna come around. Now, what do the remaining libs do when their favored Trump derangement syndrome victims turn on them in their effort to do this dance of pleasing both the needs of access and the needs of their Kool-Aid drinking audience?

Who knows? They're between a rock and a hard place. I don't think it's salvageable. I think these are desperation moves. Could be true. Could be right. Hey, you know, here's another great way you can help support the show is you become a premium member. We give you a couple of hours of premium bonus content every week, and it's a great way to help support the show. You can do it by going to JimmyDoreComedy.com, clicking on Join Premium.

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This was a historic, flawlessly run campaign. Kamala Harris had every prominent celebrity voice. She's saying that is a good thing. Yep, nope, she's got her finger on the pulse of the nation. She's somebody who should really be paid to comment on broad sociocultural trends. Joy Reid.

Real cost of Harris event with Oprah leaked as campaign struggles with bills. So this just keeps getting worse the more that is coming out about the drunken sailor style of spending that they applied to this campaign. If you gave money to this campaign, you can't be feeling very good right now.

Vice President Kamala Harris's campaign, which spent $100 million per week during her condensed run for the presidency, is still flooding supporters' inboxes with requests for cash. Look, they could have forgiven all the student loans right here. Yeah, there you go. They could have just done it directly.

That's led to heightened scrutiny about how the campaign spent its record war chest and still ended up no match for President-elect Donald Trump's MAGA roadshow.

Like the antique roadshow, but with more red hats. Yeah. Um, among the eye popping expenses was a $1 million paid to Oprah Winfrey's production firm Harpo productions for a town hall event. The television star hosted with Harris in September.

the full price tag for the event meanwhile was more than just the fee for harpo the new york times citing two people briefed on the details reported sunday that it amounted to 2.5 million that amount is sure to further bewilder critics who had already falsely accused winfrey of pocketing the money herself quote i was not paid a dime winfrey wrote in an instagram comment for the

For the live streaming event in September, my production company Harpo was asked to bring in set design, lights, cameras, crew, producers, and every other item necessary, including the benches and the chairs we sat on, to put on a live production. I did not take any personal fee.

However, the people who worked on that production needed to be paid and were end of story. So why didn't you pay him? Why didn't you donate the money? I mean, you're worth a fortune. Wasn't this an existential fight for the future of America? Hang on. This kind of gets into that.

Campaign finance law also prevents businesses from making campaign contributions or providing services to campaigns at below market rates. So you don't have to write them a check, but you can't donate products?

Apparently, yes. Apparently, you cannot make an in-kind donation of services. Of services? Oh, I didn't... Yeah, that's funny. I stand corrected. I did not know that. I did not know that either, so... Like, if you want to put on an event for a politician... But that's weird, because don't people... Don't, like...

Don't like facilities. Honestly, that makes more sense because really like these celebrities who clearly were for Kamala, like wouldn't they donate their services? Like you would think they would. Well, I never thought that the celebrities themselves were like getting paid, like profiting personally.

But you would think like if it's if it's if it's a production company, I would think a production company would be allowed to like, you know, host an event. Like what if you wanted to host an event like Tyler Perry has his whole like studio soundstage set up in Georgia there? What if you wanted to host a rally?

And he needed his people to show up. Couldn't he just pay his people to show up and work the event like it was any other event? Would that be illegal? That's according to this. Apparently, yes. Apparently, that is a violation of campaign finance law. So the real question here is less the perfidy of the celebrities than the stupidity of the money managers on this campaign.

Like what? Yeah, I read Jonathan Pye in that classic video. He's a British comedian. If you've never seen it, he did a hilarious video about why Hillary lost after 2016. And one of the best lines in it, he says, it's almost as if the political acumen of Beyonce and Jay-Z count for nothing.

You would have thought they would have learned that lesson at that time. Like, look, I could understand appearing with celebrities. I don't think it really helps. I don't think it necessarily hurts. Like the kind of people who were turned off by probably weren't going to vote for Kamala Harris anyway. I don't know that it really can. Conversely, I don't know that anyone who wasn't going to vote for her would turn around and vote for her because of it. But that aside, yeah.

spending this kind of money on that like what made you think that that was worth the millions of dollars they spent uh so millions were spent on other celebrity events and high profile concerts with Lady Gaga and Beyonce among those to appear for Harris their effectiveness is now in question

Among other notable spending, according to The Times, was $2.5 million spent on three digital agencies that work with online influencers. Trump gained a significant amount of publicity stumping on bro-y and right-wing podcasts for free. Yes, he did.

There was also $900,000 spent to reserve advertising space on Las Vegas' Sphere during the final week of the campaign. Now that is just dumb. Unsurprisingly, consultants, hangers-on, and other Democrats came begging for cash, and the Harris campaign obliged. This is what it's all about. This was really their objection to Bernie.

He was going to drive all these people out. The whole, the whole money trough was going to dry up to other, but that more than universal healthcare, more than any of his policy proposals, which they knew would get killed in Congress. It was him taking over the DNC and putting his people in because what would Bernie have done? Whatever, whatever we might think of him now. And it's not, we're not, he's not our favorite person, but come on, man. He would have fired all of these people. I mean,

Yeah, this whole line of work would not have existed inside the Democratic Party if he took it over. That's it. That was the issue. That was why he was an existential threat that they absolutely could not abide. Right. That's why we've talked about, you know, why couldn't they have given Bernie...

Let Bernie win. Yeah, you would have gotten a little public option or something. And then, you know, you wouldn't have had you never would have had Trump. He'd be leaving now. This is why this is why. No, he would have wiped their jobs out. He was like the Haitian migrant showing up to the showing up to the factory to them. Well, and this is like those parasites who, you know, they eat the bug and take over its exoskeleton. This is the Democratic Party now.

from being the paid help this is the party these consultants these vendors that's the party it's a big grift yeah yeah to other party committees like the democratic party in philadelphia for example a total of near 25 million was given some harris pals and allies got in on the largest two

Talk show host Areva Martin earned $200,000 as a media consultant and toured swing states for Harris in October, the Times said. Journalist and commentator Roland Martin, who hosts a streaming show for his new Vision Media, earned $350,000 in September for a media buy, telling the Times it was for advertising and that more should have been spent on black-owned media.

The Times said that the Harris campaign likely spent close to $600 million on producing and buying media ads for television and digital.

It's like the old story about the Chicago Ad Man. The dog food producer comes and says, you know, we've tried everything and we can't sell it. He says, maybe the dogs don't like the food. Right, right. The Democratic National Committee's finance chair said he will push for an introspective study and analysis of how Harris's campaign blew through $1.5 billion.

And a note to the party's top fundraisers sent Friday, Chris Korg wrote the campaign getting routed by Trump in all seven swing states, shocked us all and said the DNC will need to take a hard look at how it is structured. Yeah, that's what we call Poland and Israel. We're going to investigate. We're going to write a very thorough report on this.

Meanwhile, emails asking for donors to give to the Harris Fight Fund are still going out as spending decisions during the race are being re-litigated. Harris did outperform in swing states over national results, which some of her allies have used to argue as proof she was an able campaigner. Okay.

There is not a single expenditure in a different spot that would have changed the outcome of the race. Now, that may very well be true. So you could have saved yourself the billion dollars. Well, I mean, another way to look at it, that last piece there. Well, she outperformed the average in swing states.

I mean, what that tells you is that she was weaker than they expected in solid blue states, which she was. I mean, she won Illinois by single digits. She won New York by only 11 points, 11 or 12 points. So, yeah, she underperformed in the blue states. Now, you could say there that the campaigning made a difference in the swing states. Well, campaigning always makes a difference. If it didn't, you wouldn't do it.

But to say that, well, she really shit the bed in Illinois, too. So that means you really can't bust our balls too much over this waste of money in the swing states. The whole campaign was just make work. I mean, it really feels like, in retrospect, they kind of knew they were going to lose all along. And they figured, let's just, you know.

raise a bunch of money and blow it. Cha-ching, right, exactly. Let's get paid at least. Well, tell them it's the politics of joy. They'll eat that up. The donors will love that.

There is not a single expenditure in a different spot that would have changed the outcome of the race. Bakari Sellers, a Harris ally and former member of the South Carolina House of Representatives, told The Times, we had so much money it was hard to get it out the door. God, these morons who wrote checks to these people. I was getting those. Man, I couldn't report it as junk enough to not keep getting those texts to donate to the Harris campaign.

emergency alert 400% matching donation if you donate by midnight every freaking day um so Kamala Harris here here's how they spent their money Kamala Harris blew six figures on building the set for disastrous call her daddy podcast interview and um this by the way is because Harris wouldn't just fly to her set which is already built

she had to make her come to her kind of like what she did tried to do with Rogan and he refused right so they spent a hundred thousand dollars to build this set that uh people's estimates of what this should have cost to build range from about six to twenty thousand assuming Union labor a hundred thousand that's just you you just got it to burn and you're not even asking any questions about costs

So this was on, uh, this is one of the big donors and bundlers for the campaign. She's been making the rounds, Lindy Lee, and, uh, talking about how horrified she is, especially because as a bundler, she she's well connected and got other people with money to donate. Yep.

I looked this up because it's all public records. Oprah today is denying that she got paid a million dollars, but it's right there in public records. You can see a million dollars going to Harpo, which is her production company. 1.8 million for Eminem, $3 million to Lizzo, $5 million to Meg the Stallion. What does it make you think about the way they spent a billion dollars?

If my donors had known that in advance, they wouldn't have given. This is just ridiculous. And I'm sorry to say that. Well, every time I say, you know, every time I criticize something, I can just hear, you know, I can just hear, I can just feel the knives being thrown in my back.

you know, because it's like a very insular community. And but again, at this point in my life, I just we're not allowed to curse here. Right. I just I don't care. This is just the right thing to do. Can you imagine people giving twenty five dollars or fifty dollars? And it means so much to them. And they see that that money was used to build a fake set or to give it to a billionaire like Oprah. Yeah. Yeah. They they they're going to have a hard time, I suspect.

getting the real money people to give them money next time like they are really really screwed and this is going back to the morning joe thing they know it they know it they they know where the winds are blowing it is the democratic party even gonna be a going interest in the next 10 years i i don't know i don't know i think their donors feel very burned

And their neoliberal philosophy and the contradiction at the heart of it, trying to be a Wall Street-owned party claiming to be a left party, it finally all came apart. It came apart. Now, where do they go from here? Where do they go? You got those super wealthy donors.

In the end, they're rich and they want to stay that way. They're going to go align themselves with Trump and his allies. You're going to lose a lot of those people and the ones who genuinely have these liberal convictions. How are you going to convince them again that the Democratic Party is a proper steward for those convictions?

Yeah. I mean, I think in certain state races in the midterms and stuff, they'll be able to raise some money. But in terms of the next national campaign, yeah, man, I mean, that is going to be a very heavy lift. It's going to be a very heavy lift. Now, of course, they have a primary. So you're going to have, you know, some some competition there in the early going.

But, you know, I suppose it's too soon to tell what the next four years have in store, what kind of opportunity they see. But they have dug themselves a major hole, a major hole. And the guy who dug themselves this hole, I mean, we went we got into this in detail a few times over the past few weeks. So we don't have to rehash the whole thing. But at least as it pertains to the last couple of years, it's at the feet of Joe Biden. It's at the feet of Joe Biden who had no business running again.

I mean, that's what could have they could have avoided all of this had he not run again, because had he not run again, they would have had a primary and they may have lost. Given Biden's record, they probably would have lost. But they could have said, at least in that example, you know, they went through a process and, you know, through whatever process they set up, which is, of course, we're talking about the DNC. It's not a fair process. Right. But they will they would have done that dance for themselves and given themselves in their mind, at least.

at least a case they can make in their own minds to themselves and their donors. We tried to give ourselves the best chance to win. You really can't say that this time. You really can't say that this time. The fact that Joe Biden stayed in the race as long as he did...

set them up for disaster and disaster is what visited them. And they can't look back at this and say they gave it their best shot. They didn't. They let this narcissistic, senile, old, dying piece of garbage just run their party into the ground and bury them. And now they go, like I said, they have a long way out of this hole they've dug themselves in. Also, remember, part of a primary process is

Is essentially you're building a fandom for a S a political celebrity, right? Exactly. That primary process draws people in. They become fans and backers of this particular candidate. And then when they win, you have these fans who are going to go out and advocate for these candidates. Right? I think what you see here, because Trump, although his demographic shift

he didn't really pick up much in terms of raw vote no but the the democratic vote collapsed and part of that is because they didn't have a primary you never built that army of people who were going to advocate for kamala harris one day she's one of the least popular if not the least popular vice presidents in the history of polling the next day she's the nominee for president

Joe Rogan had a little sit down with Elon before the election talking about what the deal was over at X, about the value of X, about the fact that Elon had really overpaid for it knowingly to get a hold of the platform.

And what he thought would happen if Harris won versus Trump's let's see what they said you didn't do it No one would have and here's the hilarious narrative that I keep hearing from idiots Elon's a bad businessman Twitter is worth, you know 400% less than when he bought it. No, it wasn't worth that in the first place It wasn't worth on the first place. It wasn't worth 44 billion dollars You fucking morons like wrong and also you're not taking into account the advertiser boycott exactly. That's total bullshit. Yeah, I

Yeah, I will just point out Twitter was never profitable. Twitter never made a profit before Elon bought it. And after he made the bid, he did try to back out of the deal.

And the shareholders were going to sue him to hold him to it, and he wound up going ahead. Yeah, exactly. So there are these organizations – like you can tell there's like – they're like – when they have an Orwellian name. So like the Center for Countering Digital Hate is a total scam organization because they're like the Ministry of Truth type of thing in Orwell. They're like – they're a censorship organization.

And that, by the way, that's something that comes up a lot in the Twitter files and particularly in Taibbi's reporting. If you're curious about the Center for Countering Digital Hate, it's one of the NGOs that was really working very closely with the government so that they could go out and do censorship on behalf of the government while giving the government plausible deniability.

Yeah. And they organized and they pushed the advertisers to boycott. So we still have like some of the boycott is starting to lift. And I think if Trump wins, we'll see, you know, probably most of the boycott lift. But if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott get stronger. And they'll friggin shut down. There's no way that the sort of Kamala regime would allow X to exist. You really think that they'll be able to shut it down, though? Is there a pathway to that?

Uh, yes, I think he's probably right about that. And it looks like he's being proven right about the boycott lifting. So Elon Musk tweeted out here. Just want to say that we super appreciate major brands resuming advertising on our platform.

Thanks at Linda X. That's Linda Iaccarino, took over as CEO. And the whole X team for your hard work in restoring confidence in our platform and ensuring that advertising content only appears where advertisers want it shown. Now, he's being very nice to his appointed CEO there, but I think we all know this has nothing to do with anything she did. Trump won.

They're sticking their fingers in the wind and saying, we want to be where the eyeballs are and we want to curry favor with the new administration. So Comcast. They don't want to get on the wrong side of Doge. They want to get on the wrong side of the, uh, of the dog.

X's former top advertisers, including Comcast, IBM, Disney, Warner Brothers Discovery, and Lionsgate Entertainment, have resumed ad spending on the platform this year, albeit at much lower rates than before. From January to September 2024, marketing intelligence platform MediaRadar found that these brands collectively spent less than $3.3 million on X.

This is a 98% year-over-year drop from the $170 million spent during the same period in 2023. According to MediaRadar, X's top advertisers include challenger brands like Karma Shopping, Canlis Shoes, and Cooee's Entertainment, each of which spent more than $12 million this year, totaling $68 million to stand out on a less busy media channel.

They got to get some of those survivalist advertisers over there. You don't see those too much.

No, the lighter at home that can burn through steel because that's safe. That's something civilians should have. A spokesperson from IBM told Adweek its approach to X has not changed. Comcast, Disney and Lionsgate did not respond to media requests. Warner Brothers Discovery did not respond with an official comment before publishing.

A global survey by Kantar, which polled 1,000 senior marketers and 18,000 consumers across over 20 countries, found that 26% of marketers plan to cut their spending on X in 2025. The same report showed that only 4% of marketers trust X for brand safety compared to 39% for Google Ads, which is not that high, actually.

But the 2024 elections may force some brands to recalibrate their cautious approaches to X, given Musk's close ties to President-elect Donald Trump. Exactly.

Quote, X's owner now has the ear of the president-elect, a man who has a long history of helping his friends and punishing his enemies, said Max Willens, senior analyst at eMarketer. Sending at least a trickle of ad spending toward X may be seen as good for business, albeit in an indirect way. Notably, Apple has continued its X ad hiatus since last year's widely publicized pause.

This comes as X faces its biggest exodus, 115,000 users leaving the platform the day after the election, marking the biggest drop since Musk took over in 2022, according to SimilarWeb.

That same day, X saw record web traffic attracting 46.5 million visits, its highest in the past year, and 38% higher than the average daily traffic in recent months. Quote, the advertisers that have returned to X this year are clearly interested in reaching that audience, said Wellens. This guy is so good at stating the obvious. He should get a job on Morning Joe. Yeah.

Now, this tweet, or blue-collar American, I think has got it right. Well, yeah, they've seen the customer base. And that is the result of the election, because in the end, these people are not ideological. They're out to make money. They can see where the power has shifted. And it's clearly shifted in this direction. So I would say Elon's getting tired of winning.

Well, yeah, I mean, Elon, look, I'm not a fan of Elon. We've had plenty of shit to say about Elon. But Elon really kind of stuck his neck out by going all in for Trump the way he did. Like that could have really backfired had this election gone a different way. And I don't think I don't think he's wrong. I think they would have made his life a living hell, right?

in their efforts to shut down X. Yeah, yeah, I think that's right too. And so, you know, it paid off for him. And, you know, look, I mean, he's been, it's been said since he bought Twitter that this app's days are numbered, you know, he's going to tank it, it's not going to be usable anymore. And, you know, some people don't like it now because, you know, it does seem like

It does seem like... I don't know if the MAGA stuff is artificially boosted, but it definitely is more widespread throughout the app than the more left-of-center stuff. So there are people who developed a distaste for it. But it has remained functional. And, you know, they have weathered the storm. And now it seems like they're through the worst of it. Look, all of these kinds of platforms... I mean, Twitter...

you know, like I said, owned by the world's richest man. I don't want to play the world's smallest violin for Elon Musk. No matter what happens to Elon, he'll still have a nice cool two or three billion left over. Right. So ultimately he's going to have a pretty good, but a platform like rumble. I mean that you really would have feared for the future of a platform like that because they've been the subject of government crackdowns. And yeah, we have a first amendment, which makes it harder because there's another obstacle in the way of the government censors. But yeah,

They can get through that if they want, as we've seen. So, yeah, I mean, it was a gamble that seems to have paid off, at least in the short term. Well, what we're seeing with clearly, you know, they tried Mastodon. They tried Threads. So now they seem to have converged on Blue Sky. Seems to be the Lib side of choice.

And yeah, I've seen some civilians, aside from celebrities, decide to go over there. It's not going to succeed for the same reason these previous efforts didn't succeed. We already have Facebook. Like, if you want to go somewhere where you can really curate your experience and not be bothered by random strangers and not encounter opinions you don't like...

Facebook, we already have it. What would you need something like that for? The whole point of a platform like this is the discourse, the debate, the back and forth. If it's all just going to be...

yeah, Mamala is making an appearance this week with Oprah. Like who's going to go there? Yeah. Like these die in the wall libs will go there, but they don't represent a lot of the public. They just don't. So, you know, and we covered this yesterday. Funny punchline. Blue Sky put out a tweet saying,

We're working as fast as we can to get through these complaints because now that the libs went over there, they're getting 3,000 complaints an hour, 42,000 complaints a day. Watch out what you wish for. You might get it. Yes, absolutely.

All righty, folks. Welcome to the Jimmy Dore Show. Keaton Weiss here with Russell Dobular filling in for Jimmy until Wednesday. Jimmy will be back on Wednesday. So we are broadcasting here to YouTube and to Rumble. One place we are not broadcasting to is Twitch, and that's

is probably for the best. New Twitch policy bans the word Zionist amid anti-Semitism accusations. That's right. On November 15th, 2024, Twitch pushed out an update to its hateful conduct policy, making specific changes around usage of the word Zionist on its platform.

Twitch's blog post clarifies that the word in isolation is not prohibited, their typo, not ours, but consequences will be enforced if the term is used in a hateful or harassing manner.

Starting today, using the term Zionist to attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief is against our rules, the post reads. We prohibit the use of terms that may not be harmful or abusive in isolation, but can be used as a slur or to denigrate others in certain contexts.

Similar to other terms that may be used as a proxy for a protected group, we treat Zionists as a proxy for Jews or Israelis if the word is used in a context to promote harm or violence or when used to make dehumanizing comparisons or perpetuate anti-Semitic stereotypes. So saying you're going to use Zionists as a proxy for Jews is

is the same as if you say, well, we're going to use Nazi as a proxy for German. If you say the word Nazi, we're going to assume that that means you are attacking all Germans. That is exactly what that means there.

comments regarding Zionism that are about the political movement, including criticisms, do not violate our hateful conduct policy. Well, that's good. So then you shouldn't abandon the word because that's exactly what the word means. The word Zionist does not mean Jew. The word Zionist refers to a specific political ideology practiced, by the way, by many a non-Jew.

In fact, Mike Huckabee, the ambassador to Israel, big time goy, as we would say, as we would say, you know, in and around the temple. Not a Jewish man, but a big time Zionist. So what if we were to use the word Zionist?

in a hostile tone of voice when describing Mike Huckabee, what? Would that be an attack on Jews? No. So then it shouldn't be construed as an attack on Jews in any context. It doesn't refer to Jews. It refers to a political ideology, a political movement. Which is how they've always described it themselves. Yeah, exactly. Comments that call for violence against Zionism as a political movement or comments that would otherwise violate our policies are not allowed.

This latest update follows accusations of anti-Semitism toward the platform after it was discovered that users based in Israel and Palestine were prevented from creating Twitch accounts. The platform called the matter an unacceptable miss that it deeply regrets for inadvertently never re-enabling email verification in either region.

Twitch CEO Dan Clancy also made a statement regarding the discussion, saying that the company stands firmly against hate and harassment of any form. There is no place on Twitch for racism, hatred or harassment of any kind, including anti-Semitism and Islamophobia, he continued. Twitch is and will always be about belonging.

Each day, people come together on our service to build communities around shared interests and to express themselves authentically. For this to be possible, we work hard to ensure that our community is a safe place.

Responses to Twitch's latest hateful conduct update have been negative, with some users calling for the company to fire Clancy. The Anti-Defamation League, a non-government organization committed to fighting anti-Semitism, has also responded to the change. Well, what do you think they had to say? In a series of tweets, the ADL commended Twitch for the update, but is remaining skeptical, saying the platform still has far too...

to go. They still have what's his name? What's Jink's name? Hassan Fiker.

Right. This, this is the funniest thing about all of these douchebag dialogue, intellectual dark web types who are Zionist. This is the wokest shit ever. That is the language of the wokesters, right? Ah, yeah. Well, you still have a long way to go because I'm still deeply offended by your actions. Right. Right. Yeah, exactly. No, it is. It is super woke.

Super triggered, but they are grateful for the effort. They put out a three-part response to this.

We are glad Twitch acted on our recommendation to make this change. However, policy is only as strong as enforcement, and we will be vigilant and appropriately skeptical about Twitch's enforcement of this new policy. When one of the largest streamers on Twitch, Hasan Piker, spends the hours after the Amsterdam pogroms

pogrom minimizing its harm without consequence, it's clear the platform still has far to go. Yeah, the Amsterdam pogrom. We've covered that in the past as well. Yes, and apparently Zionist Maccabee fans in France lynched, not to death, but lynched French fans that they had an altercation with there without any consequence. Yes.

Jake Steinberg tweets out, That's correct. Yes.

You make the distinction impossible to recognize when you insist that there is no distinction or that this, that, that distinction does not exist anymore.

in all cases. Because of the just horrendous and murderous actions of the Jewish state, there actually has been a spike in very noticeable anti-Semitism online. And every anti-Semite I've encountered online has not been so shy as to use the term Zionist. They're pretty direct, and they come out and just say Jews, right? So like...

The idea that you have to be so vigilant as to crack down on Zionism

As a stand-in for Judaism, no. No, if you deal with these people, they pretty much tell you exactly what they mean, in my experience, at least. Bakes says,

This is fascism, and you all are a joke. Yes, very well said at two bakes. Yeah, that's exactly what that is. People who took this position are going to have to answer for it later. This might be the easy way to go now, but you're going to have to answer for it. This is a genocide in broad daylight. In the end, this narrative management, it's not holding now.

it's not holding now nobody buys that the amsterdam fight was caused by anti-semites everybody knows what actually happened there the videos are all over online i still i you got all these headlines they're working so hard to push this

Are the Amsterdam pogroms the beginning of a new anti-Semitism sweeping yard? Who's believing this? Who's buying it? They're already losing control of that narrative. And really, as BRICS rises with its set of narratives that match more what most of the people in the world think, it's going to be much harder for the West to control the conversation that way.

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