Tim Ferriss (Pt 2) on Easy Health Hacks, His Daily Routine and Dating
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I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand. It's time for some money rehab. Hi, it's Tracy D'Annunzio. I'm an entrepreneur and investor, and I'm also guest hosting Money Rehab This Week while Nicole is off on maternity leave.

Thank you so much for having me.

So if you missed yesterday's episode, queue it up. It was great. Today, you're going to hear the second part of our conversation where we talk about Tim's current daily routine. And then we go super deep on relationships and money, all the juicy stuff, prenups, dating, who should pay, and how Tim might just meet his future wife through this very episode.

We end our conversation with a game of never have I ever. Some of his answers really surprised me. Here, without further ado, is the second part of my conversation with Tim Ferriss. Okay, so right now, what's like the morning and evening routine for you? Right now, traveling in New York City, so it's pretty bare bones. But what's my routine? My routine is wake up, have a little bit of tea, meditate,

This is going to seem pretty funny. That's it. That was my morning routine. It's very bare bones. If I'm at home, there's going to be a little bit more to it. So I would probably wake up, caffeine, meditate,

because I do have a cold plunge. I do that for three to five minutes. And then I might hop into, I have an endless pool machine. So it creates a current in your swimming pool so that you can swim against it. So you can do the equivalent of open water swimming. Do that for literally five to 10 minutes to get the heart pumping. And then that's it. That's the morning. And there might be cases if I'm feeling like,

like I'm caught up in the whirlwind. If I might be a little distracted or I'm like, what am I doing today? I feel like a thousand things are coming at me from a thousand directions. Then I might use a journaling tool like the five minute journal or something like that just to winnow everything down to two or three things that I'm

are critical and plus having a very easy gratitude practice, et cetera, helps you to just take a little bit of pressure out of the system in the morning. It's literally five minutes and that's it. So,

How does that change with a partner? Not at all. If my partner can't put up with that, then we're probably not a good match. I would say. - So yeah, this is your routine in the morning when you're single, when you're traveling. - It's the same. - When you're home and when you're partnered. - Yeah, it's the same. It's not that much time. And I would say it's really not that much time. And I have friends who preserve their routine even with multiple kids. And guess what? They wake up an hour earlier. BFD.

Big fucking deal. Put on your big girl pants and it's fine. Especially when you have kids. It's fine. You just have to carve out some time. And evening routine...

is for instance i mean for me tonight like i'm going to go to this will sound familiar but i'm going to go to a banya so russian bathhouse hot cold hot cold i'm not going to give exact specifics but do not reveal your coordinates i will i've had some weird encounters it's okay we're not i've had some weird encounters in bathhouses uh that's gonna be the

Yeah, that's the pull quote. That is the clickbaity headline. So that will be an hour, hour and a half. It doesn't take very long. So I'm going in specifically for the hot, cold, hot, cold, hot, cold. I will, because I've only done one meditation, I'll meditate in the first hot session that I do, probably 10 minutes. But that's an hour. And then I will

have dinner after that and then in terms of wind down at night I'll generally do a little bit of stretching maybe some foam rolling and then read in bed not on my phone no backlit screens so Kindle or hard copy so

do you ever just get in bed and watch netflix till you fall asleep like the rest of us never i will watch netflix but i keep devices i really try to keep devices out of bed out of the bedroom yeah because all it takes at least for me i don't know about other people

You have one notification pop up about something work related. Yes. And you're screwed. Yeah. You're screwed. Before you know it, now you're in problem solving mode and you're not going to get out or you get sucked into social media, which is why I have no social media apps on my phone. Wow. Good for you. You do it on desktop. Yeah. I forced myself to do it on desktop if I'm going to use it at all.

Which saves a lot of time on a few levels. Number one, you can't use it compulsively. Number two, I don't know if your friends are different from my friends, but many of the group chats that I'm in are 90% people sending stupid memes and videos to one another. I can't look at those because the platforms throttle what you can see without installing the app. They want to capture you. So I only get to see...

One tenth of what gets sent to me. So it's all the stupid memes I send you are just going into the ether. Into the ether. Yeah. And I can always catch up on laptop if I really want to catch up. Or sometimes I will, but then it's okay. Great. Now you're just doing it all at once. So you knock it out in like half hour instead of interrupting your day 40 times. It's my half an hour of meme absorption time. Yeah, exactly. So Tim, you said you're going to dinner tonight. Do we have a date?

No date tonight. But you are single. I am single. How is it going? I think modern dating is a pretty strange thing. For me, it can be bizarre. But I'm not going to sit here and complain. I think being single can be fun. I do not have that as my long-term strategy. I got out of a very long relationship two and a half years ago.

And thought that was going to go to kids. Ended up not working out. Still actually very close to my ex. Not tethered. She's married now. So it's not like I'm just holding off with some hope that we'll get back together. That's not the situation. But on very good terms, I might actually have dinner with her tonight, believe it or not. Just to catch up. I haven't seen her in a long time. But the hope and plan is building a family. And last I checked...

I guess it doesn't technically require a partner, but I would like to do it with a partner. I feel like it's better. Yeah, for me. I feel like you'll do better for that. For me, I want that whole adventure. So that's the plan. Do you know what you're looking for? Oh, yeah, yeah. Shocker. Yeah, in typical terms. And I think we should be suspicious of what we want. That's actually from Rumi, in the sense that we should cross-examine what we want, because it may not actually be what we need, but...

To the best I can tell. I think there are a few things that mesh well with me. Smart, of course. Loves reading. Athletic. I like athletic. So you can do sports together. Yeah, athletic. Not just athletic, but outdoorsy. So if they only do CrossFit, but they never go hiking...

Or have no interest in it. Oh, man. A lot of city girls out there just went, aw. Well, this is why I said or have interest in. Right. Okay. Right. But I think ultimately I would like to spend a lot of the year around mountains, rivers, lakes. And... Yeah.

I love skiing. So skiing is, if someone skis or snowboards, that's a proxy, a substitute. It's one criterion that actually checks off a bunch of other boxes. Because it means you're... If they take it seriously. Yeah. Not just, I liked skiing when I did it three times. Wait, how seriously do you want them to take skiing? No, they don't need to be a professional. But if someone's pretty good at skiing, let's just say, and this isn't a pass-fail thing, they just have to enjoy skiing. But if they take it seriously enough...

That they make time let's just say each year to go skiing. What does that mean? It means they like being outdoors by default It means they're willing to prioritize that and block out time for it. Yeah and dedicate themselves dedicate themselves they probably are pretty good at sort of risk assessment and Thinking about that if they do backcountry stuff and so on and

It checks a lot of boxes actually, right? So I'm not saying someone has to ski, but I would say in a lot of the dates I've had so far, it predicts really accurately a bunch of other things.

I would like someone who has a job or has some identity of their own. Okay. Because if not, there are a few issues with the if not. I'm big on communication. I owe my ex actually a huge set of gratitude for that because she was a very good communicator, highly empathic. That's one of her superpowers. And so we did a lot of workshops and read a lot of books and it hugely impacted

benefit to me and just in terms of being able to communicate emotions which my family didn't really do ever and ask what you want and draw boundaries and do repair by the way super important there's going to be conflict no matter what and but i would say smart sporty nice ass is always great okay yeah like meat on the bones okay oh okay tim yeah not like

Another headline. Not Kim K badonkadonk necessarily, but athletic, right? But not necessarily a no to that either. I want somebody who enjoys moving their body and likes to be athletic, which ends up probably being closer to Mila Jovovich or the actress in Fifth Element than to Kim K, right? But the point is, I need to look forward to having conversations with this person because...

long-term relationships are basically one long conversation. They sure are. Right. And every, you get to the point where like you start repeating your stories. Could you forget that you told the story to each other? So for that, they need to be deeply curious. Right. And I, I need to not just respect them, but admire something about them. Like I need to admire them. Yeah. And am I going to want to, if we sit at a table and let's just say they're understated,

Am I going to want to brag on their behalf about something? Yeah. That is a huge positive indicator. Okay. Right? And if that's the case, if the things I just mentioned are true, which I don't think is that much, I don't think it's unreasonable to look for, like the stuff I just mentioned. If I could wave a magic wand like three years from now, got a bun in the oven or one little kid, that'd be great. Nice. I think that, for instance, I was in my last relationship five and a half years. I think that was too long to go without...

a real phase shift towards marriage or having kids. I don't think those need to go together, by the way. - Marriage and kids. - No. - You think you can split, you don't wanna be married to one person for the rest of your life. - Preferably not, but I do think that people trip themselves up, I certainly have tripped myself up thinking about the contract with the state aspect of marriage. It can add a really thorny, difficult dimension

And I know people who have also gotten married and just have the process of going through the prenup basically killed all the magic. I've seen that multiple times. It was like a pre-marriage divorce. Yes, that's what a prenup is. You pre-negotiate your divorce before you get married. So are you going to have a prenup? Oh yeah, of course. Oh, you are going to have a prenup. Of course. If I were to get married, I think it's irresponsible not to. That's my perspective. Right. And because it's, here's the thing.

As someone who's in the public, as someone who's done well and that's also in the public, I don't want to question the motives of the person I'm with. Have you encountered that? Oh, sure. Like any guy who's reasonably successful has gone on dates where it's like on date three, they're like, oh, and by the way, I have a book coming out in two months and would love to get your advice. Or, oh, by the way, I have this startup. And the whole thing has been a ruse.

to get advice. Do you think it's a ruse or do you think that it's like they like you and they want the benefits? No, they would have told me up front. They wouldn't have waited until month two or something. Oh, for sure. Okay. That's like a material manipulation. Sometimes there's the both end, right? But the point, and most women are great. Like I'm not saying that's all the time, but just as I think women

a beautiful woman wants to know that someone is with her, not just for the sex appeal, because what happens when I age and this, that, and the other thing. Similarly, like that can be a component of the attraction, but they want to be assured that's not the only thing. Similarly, it's like, I want to make sure that I'm not just a meal ticket.

Yeah. And a lot of women on dating apps are very explicit about this. I want to be spoiled and this and this. And they're looking for a patron more than they're looking for a partner. Right. And so that's not all the time, but it is something that I don't want to have in the back of my mind. So a way to have that peace of mind is to have a prenup, which is

I think should just be a non-issue. It should be a non-issue. Now, another reason, this is actually important, where I like, I would love to be with a woman who has operated in the world. If life is always hard for someone, that person's not a good fit for me. But if they have some agency and experience in the world,

Dealing with something like a prenup will not be as hard as if you're dealing with somebody who's never done any business never dealt with lawyers Oh, okay. So if life is always hard for them meaning they perceive life as being too difficult or yeah They perceive life as being too difficult They may have I tend to beat that so at the risk of maybe saying something obvious Are you ready? This is gonna be my theory on attraction. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah, you think you're ready? Okay, so

Hold on to your wallets. Money Rehab will be right back. And now for some more Money Rehab. The way I think of attraction is, and if you get ruffled feathers with the terms I'm using, I'm sorry, but let's keep it simple. So I imagine a slider, there's a sliding scale. In the middle is 50-50 feminine masculine traits.

Now, for the LGBTIQ folks out there, that doesn't mean male, female, right? But like masculine, feminine traits. You could have a male with very feminine traits or a female with very masculine traits. I may have misspoken. But as you go out, let's just say it's 50-50, right? Like perfect androgyny, basically. As you go out, then you have 100% masculine traits, 100% feminine traits. Very few people are that. Most people are somewhere in between. And I think that you...

the polarity when people are equidistant from the center, that tends to work well. Okay. So what does that mean? Let's just say for the sake of argument, let's say I'm 80% masculine, they're 20% feminine. You think you are? I'm pretty far out on the masculine scale, I think. And that's what people tell me. I mean, what do I know? So I tend to be attracted to women who are pretty far out on the other end of

who are frequently free-flowing, free-spirited, highly feminine women. Sometimes that correlates to...

living in the moment, not really planning for the future. So long-term planning and thinking through complex problems that take time to unravel may not be a strong suit. I think that is something I have to be on guard against. Break those apart. Long-term planning, no, because if you're flowing in the moment. Complex stuff, I think the feminine does that. Hold on. I'm not saying the feminine broadly. Just hear me out here. These are not mutually exclusive. Mm-hmm.

This can apply to men just as equally, right? If they don't have the ability to long-term plan and focus on something for extended periods of time,

then very frequently they also cannot break down complex, think through complex problems. - Okay. - Right? Whether that's like how to school your kids, vaccination, no vaccination, right? These are very complex problems that require critical thinking and cross-examining your own thinking. That's hard, right? But like, God forbid something happens to me and I have kids, I wanna have full confidence that my partner is resourceful and will figure shit out.

There are a lot of amazing people in the world. You have to have a way of narrowing it down. If somebody doesn't have a LinkedIn but they have an Instagram, I think that's often a problem. If I look on their LinkedIn and it's, oh, every job has been six to 12 months, probably not for me. Also fair. I never hired people. You know what I mean? If you wouldn't hire them, why would you marry them? I want to know that someone has been able to handle hard things.

Yeah. Also why skiing is interesting. Stick with it-ness. Yeah. Have you gone to, as an example, this is going to seem maybe unreasonable, but have you done something reasonably hard? Have you had a job and stuck with it for at least a handful of years or started your own company and built it for a handful of years? Have you done something hard that requires resilience and dealing with setbacks? If not, I hate to say it, but that's life, right? And if you're

in a job and you aren't resilient, you can hop to another job hoping it'll be easier or better and then hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop. If you're in a relationship, what are you going to do? It ends up turning into a big mess. So I really want someone who's done something stressful. I can have confidence that they can handle stress. I would sum it up with a woman who doesn't have problems with these terms, feminine and masculine, number one, who

recognizes the strengths in both, but who probably is pretty far out on the nurturing family oriented side. Okay. Someone for whom that is not an inner conflict. They know they want kids and family. Yes. That is uncomplicated. Super clear. Yeah. Super clear. Not, I don't know. Maybe I'm not sure. None of that. I don't want to deal with that. I don't have time for that right now. And I'm clear on what I want. So I want someone who's clear that they want the same thing. Active. Yeah.

Fit, outdoorsy, skiing, snowboarding, ideal. Curious, reads a lot, good at critical thinking and has done hard stuff over extended periods of time. I think that. Okay, so if there's a woman in the audience listening right now who fits this, how do they find you? We might have just saved you so much swiping. Yeah, let's see.

I'll create a URL. They can go. Yes. Because otherwise like Instagram or DM or whatever, it's just impossible. Look at us matchmaking. Yeah. Pioneering new ways. I'll create a URL. Tim.blog. That's my website. Tim.blog.com.

Tim.blog.com slash partner. Yeah, I'll create a page for it because the social media stuff is going to be impossible. Okay, ladies, if you heard something that sounded like a fit for you, Tim is in the market. I'm in the market. And I'll add one more thing, which is like my ex-girlfriends over the last 10, 12 years, they all ended on good terms. Like I'm in good relationships with those people. They're amazing. And they're amazing women. Like they're all amazing in their own way. I think I'm a pretty good boyfriend. I got to be honest. So yeah.

Not perfect. I got my own stuff. We all have our own stuff, but I'm ready for the next chapter. That's amazing. I love the clarity. I love that you come credentialed. You can find my ex-girlfriend references on LinkedIn. Yeah, exactly. Okay, Tim, we're unfortunately out of time. I feel like I could talk to you forever, but before we go, will you play a little game with me? Sure. Okay. We're going to play Never Have I Ever.

Normally we'd be drinking, but we're not drinking because you're in your no fun number. I can have fun in other ways. Here's how we do it. Okay. We're going to hold up a hand like this. Okay. Five fingers up. If the answer to any of these is yes, you just put one finger down. Oh boy. I'm going to play it with you. And when one of us all the fingers down, we're done. Okay. You ready? Never have I ever maxed out a credit card. Wait, if the answer is yes. If the answer is yes. Oh yeah, for sure. You did? Oh yeah, of course. To start my first company out of college.

Never have I ever split the check on a first date. Okay, yes, if I put a finger down. Yeah. You did? Uh-huh. Do you always split the check on a first date? I usually pay for it. So what happened? If I realize that it's a setup for, oh, I have this book I want to advise on a startup or something, it's some bullshit, then sometimes I'll split. Usually at this point in my life, it's just too much brain damage to deal with like...

the risk of some woman going on social media and going on some rampage, but I'm like, I want to date with Tim Ferriss and here's what happened. Yeah. You made me pay for half the check or whatever, but earlier. Sure. Yeah. Split the check. Okay. If it's just a setup, if I've been, if someone's been deceptive, then you can pay for half the meal. Okay. Fair. Yeah. Never have I ever invested in crypto. I have invested in crypto. Okay. Are you big crypto day? No, I've done well in crypto, but I think most of it is a shell game.

I'm just not convinced that the theses upon which I based those investments make any sense now. Oh my God, did we need a whole other episode for this? They just, people view it as like an inflation hedge and it's inversely correlated. I'm like, doesn't seem to be the case. Seems to be highly liquid and it just like more or less tracks S&P 500. So...

Do I want coming back to our correlated uncorrelated? I'm like, like I've done very well. I'm very grateful for my friends who got me into some of the script and stuff. You got in early. I did. Yeah. But would I invest in it now? Probably not. Wow. Okay. We have to have a drink after and I want to hear about this or not a drink after. Okay. Play the lottery.

I played lottery. Oh, yeah? Okay, cool. Yeah, but I view it as entertainment. It's like to buy lottery tickets for everybody in my family if I don't see them as often as I would like. And it's like, hey, guys, all right, we have this crazy Powerball. Now we get to sit down and watch and see what happens. It is a nice gift. Yeah. Lived paycheck to paycheck. No, I've never done that. Invested in a company that went bankrupt.

I've invested in dozens of companies that have gone bust. Like what percent of your investment? The angel investing? 70 to 80% for sure. You invest really early. So that's what you expect to happen. Yeah. I don't think I've invested in any other companies. If we're talking about mature companies, I don't think I've invested in any that have gone bankrupt. But on the angel side, tons. I've had multiple companies go bankrupt in the last two weeks.

Oh no. Okay. Yeah, it's part of the game. We're done because all your fingers were down, but it goes with... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put it back up. Put it back up. Okay. Invested in a company that became a unicorn. Yes, I've done that. Which ones? A lot. Twitter, Facebook, Alibaba, if we're including advising, Shopify, Uber, Duolingo, I think Blue Bottle Coffee even. Nextdoor, pretty sure.

There's got to be another like 10 or probably 10 more. And you were early in those companies. Yeah. I was pre IPO and all of them. And I was very early in a bunch of them. Like I was the first advisor to Shopify first of, I think three advisors to Uber first round Duolingo first advisor to clear. That's another one that would be a huge, all of those were very early.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why Tim can afford to give away all of this golden advice for free. So keep tuning into the Tim Ferriss Show where you get more value than anywhere else. Tim, thank you so much for coming on Money Rehab with me. This was so fun. Thank you. Money Rehab is a production of Money News Network. I'm your host, Nicole Lappin. Money Rehab's executive producer is Morgan Levoy. Our researcher is Emily Holmes.

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