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How to Fix the Retirement Savings Crisis

2024/10/16
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Money For the Rest of Us

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我最近读到迈克尔·斯坦伯格在《纽约时报》上发表的一篇文章,题目是《401k是错误的吗?》401k是美国确定缴款计划的版本,对我们大多数人来说,它已经取代了确定收益计划或传统养老金计划,在传统养老金计划中,你终生都能获得一定的保障金。这篇文章的发表,引发了人们对美国退休储蓄体系的担忧。 文章以一位名叫珍·福布斯的女性为例,她今年50岁,身体健康,曾是一名学校教师,现在是一家教育出版公司的编辑主管。她的年收入很高,大约9万美元。她预计在未来十年内还清抵押贷款,最近还清了汽车贷款。她没有其他债务。 她有20万美元的储蓄,希望在65岁时停止工作。她过着简朴的生活。她了解401k计划中的投资选择,并将60%的资金分配给股票,40%分配给债券。她每年储蓄9%的工资,而她的雇主再额外投入5%。因此,她每年有14%的收入存入她的401k账户。文章作者说,即使股市在未来15年获得暴利,她实现退休目标的难度依然很大。 她没有计划依靠社会保障,我认为这是一个错误。我认为,根据她的工资,她可以预期每月从社会保障中获得几千美元的福利。但她表示,这太不确定了,不能依赖。因此,她想用自己的储蓄来支付全部退休费用。她没有参加任何类型的确定收益计划或养老金计划。 斯坦伯格说,即使股市在未来15年获得暴利,她的目标也很难实现。这还假设她不会遭遇重大挫折,例如失业或患上使人衰弱的疾病。珍的整个退休计划都基于她的个人储蓄、她继续储蓄的能力、公司匹配以及市场表现。 于是我想,好吧,我将进行分析。在“我们为大多数人准备的钱”高级会员社区中,有一个工具是退休规划计算器和退休支出计算器。因此,我...... 输入了一些假设。我们假设一个50岁的人有20万美元的起始储蓄。我使用了一些从AcidCamp(我们的股票和债券市场研究工具)获得的假设,得出了全球股票的预期回报率为7.2%。 债券为4.5%,因此60%股票、40%债券的配置将产生6.1%的预期回报率。我把这些数据输入计算器,假设她的贡献随着她的工资每年增长3%而增加,通货膨胀率为每年3%。考虑到这些储蓄、40%的收入用于储蓄、6.1%的年回报率, 10年后,她的养老金将增长到55.6万美元。15年后,当她50岁时,她将差很多。她的养老金为85.2万美元。但如果她再工作两年,17年后她将拥有超过100万美元。看看15年和17年之间的巨大差异,相差15万美元。 增长是由于复利,这就是为什么珍像我们所有人一样,极其容易受到序列回报风险的影响。在退休前的最后几年,甚至在退休后的最初几年,如果市场出现大幅抛售,我们的投资会获得什么样的回报?这是我们当前退休政策中的一个缺陷。 资金机制,一个在确定缴款计划成为退休默认选择之前不存在的缺陷。早在1975年,98%的公共部门雇员和88%的私营部门雇员都享有确定收益计划的保障。再说一次,确定收益计划是指你随着时间的推移积累福利, 一旦你获得养老金资格,当你退休时,根据你的收入,根据你已经积累的福利,你将终生每月获得固定支付。根据你的安排方式,也可能包括你配偶的终生。确定收益计划由专业人士管理。有一个养老金委员会,由公司的资深管理人员组成。他们 他们有外部顾问协助投资。他们有精算师。他们有专业的资金管理。而且是汇总的。这是风险分担。一些退休人员将在退休后的最初几年去世。他们积累的福利将归那些活得更久的人所有。这种汇总降低了长寿风险。确定养老金计划的另一个好处是他们可以投资更多。 具有非常长期的视野。因为它不像确定缴款计划那样,这是你的养老金,无论你一生中的回报如何,这都将资助你的退休生活。对于确定收益计划,是的,它们受市场风险的影响,但它们可以度过股市长期下跌的许多时期,并且它们已经分散了风险,因为它们可以在私募股权领域持有非流动性资产。它 与典型的员工对确定缴款计划所做的相比,它的管理更好,风险管理也更好。许多人根本没有资格管理投资。这不容易。为什么确定收益养老金计划要聘请外部顾问来协助他们进行资产配置? 以及所有假设,以计算出需要贡献多少才能确保履行义务。现在,确定收益计划也存在一些问题。例如,在20世纪60年代,汽车制造公司斯图贝克的确定收益计划破产了。当时,没有养老金担保公司,也没有保险机制。因此,你有了 工作了几十年的斯图贝克员工,他们失去了退休金。这也是确定收益计划的风险。你一生中的大部分时间都与一个雇主在一起。如果该雇主倒闭,你就没有养老金了。因此,1974年,国会通过了《雇员退休收入保障法》。它创建了养老金福利担保公司。因此,每个养老金都必须 为一个保险基金做出贡献,基本上是为了满足破产公司的养老金义务,以便他们的养老金计划能够继续下去,以便保护工人。这是一个重要的变化。但它也需要额外的簿记工作,额外的成本才能保护这些员工。这对公司来说是一种负担。 公司也可以提供利润分享计划,这就像确定缴款计划,但直到1978年,国税局才做出改变,允许员工领取现金工资并将其存入确定缴款账户,雇主可以匹配这些缴款,在美国,401k计划诞生了。 我过去曾作为机构投资顾问的工作的一部分,为养老金计划提供咨询服务。我看到了这些公司为管理养老金计划所做的工作。这是一项艰巨的工作,因为风险...... 在于雇主必须确保履行对员工的义务。他们认真对待这项责任。但对于401k,它有一些额外的优势。工人们可以携带他们的账户,他们可以将其转入他们下一个雇主的401k计划,或者他们可以将其转入个人雇主。 退休账户。成本较低,因为风险随后转移给了员工,让他们决定选择哪个方案来管理他们的投资。我有 一位客户同时拥有确定收益计划和确定缴款计划,首席财务官非常担心他的员工会在401k计划中做出错误的选择,但他也很担心因向他们提供投资建议而被起诉。 雇主提供教育,但突然有了401k,员工必须决定在哪里投资。股市是如何运作的?什么是债券?我过去曾为一些客户提供401k教育。我会在早上七点出现 在化工厂的第三班结束后,他们下班了。我们会搬到休息室。我会带甜甜圈,我会尝试在他们打瞌睡的时候提供一些基础教育。这是一个挑战。尽管如此,401k计划变得非常流行,对员工和雇主都是如此。在1975年到 2019年之间,私营部门确定缴款计划参与者的数量从1000万增加到8500万。增加了850%。与此同时,同期确定收益计划的数量减少了43%。这是针对私营部门的员工和雇主。然而,变化不大的是, 公共部门雇员。在1975年至2020年的45年间,公共部门确定收益计划的数量仅减少了12%。部分原因是公共部门不受《雇员退休收入保障法》的约束。管理这些计划的成本负担并不像私营部门那样高。因此,现在当我们查看有多少投资时 在美国的确定缴款计划中,截至2022年12月,根据美国人口普查局的数据,为8.1万亿美元,而确定收益计划为3.7万亿美元。这是针对私营部门的。确定缴款计划为8万亿美元,确定收益计划为3.7万亿美元。对于州和地方政府来说,情况正好相反。确定收益计划为9.5万亿美元,少于 少于5亿美元的确定缴款计划。 确定缴款计划改变了员工和雇主之间的关系。它不那么家长式了。雇主不觉得有义务确保他们的员工有稳定的退休生活。员工也不觉得对雇主那么忠诚。X一代和千禧一代比婴儿潮一代更频繁地更换工作。千禧一代在职业生涯中最多可以有20份工作,分别为 根据美国劳工统计局的数据,婴儿潮一代大约有12份工作。在我们继续之前,让我暂停一下,分享一下本周赞助商的一些话。当您为您的小型企业招聘时,您希望找到适合该职位的合格专业人士。这就是为什么您必须查看LinkedIn Jobs的原因。LinkedIn Jobs拥有帮助您更快、更免费地为您的团队找到合适的专业人士的工具。 我知道在我的职业生涯中,我看到了为该职位找到合适的人员是多么重要。LinkedIn Jobs可以提供帮助。LinkedIn不仅仅是一个招聘网站。LinkedIn帮助您招聘您在其他任何地方都找不到的专业人士,即使是那些没有积极寻找新工作但可能对完美职位持开放态度的人。 在一个月中,超过70%的LinkedIn用户不会访问其他领先的招聘网站。因此,如果您不在LinkedIn上寻找,那么您就在错误的地方寻找。在LinkedIn上,86%的小型企业在24小时内获得合格的候选人。因此,像专业人士一样在LinkedIn上招聘专业人士。 在linkedin.com/david上免费发布您的职位。这是linkedin.com/david,您可以免费发布您的职位。适用条款和条件。 我已经使用Monarch Money作为我的主要工具来管理我的财务,了解我一年多以来的支出情况。它在一个非常复杂的世界中简化了我的财务。Monarch Money是顶级的一体化个人理财应用程序。您可以全面了解所有帐户、投资、交易等等。您可以创建自定义预算,就像我们一样,跟踪实现财务目标的进度,并与您的伴侣合作。 此外,Monarch还可以帮助您做出明智的财务决策,让您更接近您的目标,现在您可以通过访问monarchmoney.com/david获得延长30天的免费试用。在使用Monarch Money时,我喜欢我可以根据自己的需要调整我的仪表板,让它看起来像我想要的样子。 我还喜欢它没有广告。Monarch Money永远不会将您的数据出售给第三方。这就是为什么它是一项订阅服务。使用Monarch,您可以与您的伴侣甚至您的财务顾问共享您的帐户。登录一个地方,获得全面的视图。在我自己使用Monarch Money之后,我了解了为什么它是一款顶级个人理财应用程序。 现在,本节目的听众在访问monarchmoney.com/david时将获得延长30天的免费试用。这是M-O-N-A-R-C-H-M-O-N-E-Y.com/david,您可以获得延长30天的免费试用。 因此,401k计划之所以流行,有一些原因。对员工来说很流行,对雇主来说也很流行。到1982年,超过一半的私营公司提供401k计划时,这并没有帮助, 那是开始投资股市的好时机。我上周在LinkedIn上写过这篇文章。1982年,美国股票的股息收益率为6.6%。这是因为在之前的十年里,从72年7月到82年7月,股市经历了巨大的熊市。不包括股息,美国股票大幅下跌。 该十年期间的年均增长率为每年1%。通货膨胀率非常高,超过8%。收益每年增长8%,股息收益率为6.6%。一般来说,如果估值没有变化,这两者结合起来,将导致股市在该十年期间的回报率为14%,但股票价值暴跌。市盈率从 1972年7月17.8%下降到1982年7月7.3%。因此,这些401k计划正在启动,员工们正在储蓄,当时股市非常便宜,股息收益率超过6%。债券收益率也很高。1982年的债券收益率超过10%。1981年,它们已超过16%。 因此,从1982年到1992年的第一个十年,当401k计划在美国和世界各地的其他确定缴款计划中迅速发展时,美国股票在该十年期间的年均回报率为17.7%。美国债券的年均回报率为13.3%。在那个时期进行投资的婴儿潮一代,积累他们的401k余额,有一个巨大的 巨大的顺风,这促成了401计划的普及。 我们可以从1998年12月到2008年12月(金融危机结束)再取一个10年期。在此期间,美国股市的年均回报率为负2%,非美国股市的年均回报率为1.2%。在此期间的10年时间里,如果你正准备退休,情况不太好。债券市场的年均回报率约为5%。现在,大多数工人,但并非所有工人, 都有机会参加401k计划,但并非所有人都有。2020年,56岁至64岁的适龄婴儿潮一代中,只有58%拥有某种类型的退休计划,以获得福利、401k或IRA。因此,超过40%的人甚至没有退休计划,没有参与 40岁至55岁的X一代中,有56%的人参加了退休计划。几乎一半的人没有。现在,401k计划已经推出40多年了。如果我们看看个人拥有的储蓄金额,这是不够的。 以下是一些来自Empower的数据,Empower是一个汇总其数据的财务信息中心。他们往往是更精明的员工。对于60多岁的人来说,中位数是20.7万美元。这是中间值。因此,一半的人更少。如果你有20万美元,你65岁了,你准备退休了,如果你想花4%的钱, 生活,那就是每年8000美元,加上你从社会保障中获得的任何收入。这是中位数。因此,当他们准备退休时,一半的人少于这个数额,这就是为什么许多人没有退休。他们只是继续工作,因为余额并非他们希望的那样。在20世纪的家庭中,退休账户的中位数规模 到第39个百分位数只有2万美元。低于此,第20个百分位数及以下,他们什么也没有或很少。当你看到这些401k余额时,这可能会让员工感到沮丧。 主要是因为复利,复利最大的影响发生在那些晚年。我们举了珍的例子。她50岁,401k账户中只有20万美元,这略低于50多岁的人的中位数。如果股市每年回报率为6%,她可以达到100万美元,这取决于市场是否会崩溃 在最后几年直到她55岁到67岁之间崩溃。401k计划的另一件事是能够提取贷款,用于困难或非困难提款。并且 并且由于余额太少,工人们对这个概念的理解并不十分精明,尽管他们接受了所有教育,因为投资并不容易,401k计划最终就像一个应急基金。在我第一次在公司财务部门工作后,我在AT&T Capital工作了三年,然后加入了这家咨询公司。我在AT&T Capital有一个自主管理的401k。我可以投资任何我想要的东西。 在1994年比索危机之后,我把太多的钱投入了一个封闭式基金,即墨西哥基金。我并不真正了解封闭式基金。它以溢价出售,我亏了钱。我认为在我1995年离开AT&T Capital之后,我的401k余额只有大约2万美元。然后在互联网泡沫期间,我说,好吧,我只是把它投入我能找到的最昂贵的成长型股票。 现在,这是愚蠢的,当时我知道这是愚蠢的,但我投资了JDS Uniphase和一些其他网络公司。然后...... 泡沫破裂后,它价值8000美元。所以我把它取出来了。我甚至没有把它转存。我很沮丧。我说,我会,我想我们用它还清了一些学生贷款。我拥有金融学硕士学位,我正在用我的401k做愚蠢的事情。现在我变得聪明了,用我现有雇主的钱投资我的401k。 我的咨询公司,更加认真负责。但所有的风险都在我身上,你必须弄清楚这一点。难怪76%的千禧一代和68%的X一代觉得他们将不会拥有与上一代退休人员相同的退休收入水平?好吧,当然,因为上一代有确定收益计划。现在,401k已经实施了40多年,我们有年迈的父母、千禧一代, 退休储蓄不足。因此,他们的成年子女不得不提供帮助,这阻止了他们尽可能多地储蓄401k。贝莱德首席执行官拉里·芬克在他的年度信中表示,作为一个社会,我们投入了大量的精力来帮助人们延长寿命,但我们投入的精力甚至不到帮助人们负担这些额外年份的努力的一小部分。 现在,401k计划对高收入者非常有效。它对我很有效,因为 因为我行动迅速,我贡献了巨额资金,每年都最大限度地增加了我的401k。我们有一个利润分享计划。有很多激励措施鼓励个人储蓄更多。有赶超条款。国税局有一个退休储蓄缴款抵免额。因此,对您在401k或IRA中的首次投资有税收抵免。我们并不缺乏储蓄激励。 问题在于结构存在缺陷,因为没有风险分担。每个人都靠自己,受市场变化的影响,受其金融素养和 他们的行为控制,有纪律地保持储蓄,而不是在发生危机、健康危机或其他事情时动用这些储蓄。这非常难以做到。因此,如果我们要进行重组,我们需要类似于确定收益计划的个人退休账户,这些账户具有 风险分担,具有非常长期的视野,因为每个人都可以汇集在一起。有些国家就是这样做的。加拿大有加拿大养老金计划(CPP),这是强制性的。个人每年向其缴纳5.95%。雇主也缴纳相同数额。资金汇集在一起。它由专业人士管理。 然后,当你退休或残疾时,你将根据缴纳的金额每月获得一次付款。但它有一个汇总方面,使资金持续更长时间。这就是为什么珍在65岁或67岁时,如果她提取她的401k余额并将其转入即期年金,她每月将获得大约6500美元,每年略低于7.5万美元。 生活。然后她将获得社会保障,她基本上可以安排好退休生活。她是中产阶级中那些有纪律、知识更渊博的参与者之一,但她理解这一点。但她也很清楚,这一结果取决于市场的回报,以及她不会生病,以及她不会失业。她说,她希望她的退休生活不依赖于她的投资能力。它 她说,这让我非常紧张。她看到她的父母和祖父母有养老金计划,她有点羡慕。她说,我希望这对我们来说也是一种选择。 希望国会、政府能够团结起来,认识到,随着这一代人退休,大多数人没有足够的钱,许多人面临无家可归的境地,仅仅让个人完全负责储蓄和投资他们的退休金,这对一小部分人(少数人)来说是有效的。但对大多数人来说,由于缺乏风险分担,由于缺乏 因为参与不是强制性的,因为资产不是作为一个整体由专业人士管理,每个人都靠自己。这对大多数个人来说都是难以承受的压力。现在,我不知道现在有什么计划。我相信国会已经提出了修改建议。但随着我们越来越清楚地认识到我们正处于退休储蓄危机之中,希望我们能够像其他国家今天所做的那样,在美国制定一些措施, 以便个人能够拥有更安全的退休生活。这是第497集。感谢收听。

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The episode starts by discussing an article questioning the effectiveness of 401k plans. It follows the story of Jen Forbus, a high-earning woman who is concerned about her retirement savings despite diligently contributing to her 401k. A financial analysis shows even with high contributions and market returns, reaching her retirement goal is challenging, highlighting the risk associated with relying solely on 401k plans.
  • 401k plans haven't worked for many, despite popularity
  • Defined contribution plans replaced defined benefit plans
  • Sequence of return risk is a major flaw in current plans

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Welcome to Money for the Rest of Us. This is a personal finance show on money, how it works, how to invest it, and how to live without worrying about it. I'm your host, David Stein. Today is episode 497. It's titled, How to Fix the Retirement Savings Crisis.

Recently, I read an article written by Michael Steinberger in the New York Times. The article was titled, Was the 401k a mistake? 401k being the U.S. version of defined contribution plans, which have, for most of us, replaced defined benefit plans or traditional pension plans where you're guaranteed a certain payment for the rest of your life. The article came out

kicked off featuring a woman named Jen Forbus. She turns 50 this year, has good health, used to work as a school teacher, but now is an editorial supervisor at an educational publishing company. She makes high five figures, so I assume around $90,000 a year. She anticipates paying off her mortgage in the next decade and recently made her last car payment. She doesn't have any other debt.

She has $200,000 in savings and she would like to stop working when she's 65. She lives a modest life. She understands the investment options in her 401k plan and has a 60% allocation to stocks, 40% to bonds. She saves 9%.

of her salary and then her employer kicks in another 5%. So she's saving 14% of her income per year going into her 401k. The author of the article says, even if the stock market delivers blockbuster returns over the next 15 years, her

Her goal of reaching a million dollars, that's what she thinks she needs to retire, is going to be difficult to reach. Now, she's not planning on Social Security. I think that's a mistake. I think she can assume that she will receive, based on her salary, a couple thousand dollars a month in Social Security benefits.

But she says, I feel like it's too uncertain and not something I can depend on. So she wants to fund her entire retirement out of her savings, her personal savings. She doesn't participate in any type of defined benefit program.

pension plan. So Steinberger said even if the stock market delivers blockbuster returns over the next 15 years, her goal is going to be difficult to reach. And this assumes that she doesn't have a catastrophic setback like losing her job or suffering a debilitating illness. Jen's entire retirement is based on her personal savings, her ability to continue her

to save, get the company match, and what the market does. So I thought, well, I'll go through the analysis. One of the tools on Money for the Rest of Us Plus, our premium membership community, is we have a retirement planning calculator and a retirement spending calculator. And so I...

went through and put in some assumptions. We assume a $200,000 starting savings for an individual age 50. I used some assumptions I got from AcidCamp, our stock and bond market research tool, to come up with an expected return for global stocks of 7.2%.

For bonds of 4.5%, so a 60% stock, 40% bond allocation would have an expected return of 6.1%. I put that into the calculator, assumed that she increased her contribution as her salary increased by 3% per year, and that inflation was at 3% per year. Given that savings, 40% of income going into savings, a 6.1% annual return,

After 10 years, her nest egg would grow to $556,000. In 15 years, when she turns 65, she will be short. Her nest egg, $852,000. But if she worked another two years, she would have just over a million dollars in 17 years. Look at the big difference between year 15 and year 17, $150,000 difference.

increase due to the compounding, which is why Jen is incredibly vulnerable, like all of us, to sequence a return risk. What returns do we earn on our investments in those final years leading up to retirement or even the first few years of retirement if there's a major market sell-off? That is a flaw in our current retirement policy.

funding mechanism, a flaw that didn't exist previously before defined contribution plans became the default choice for retirement. Back in 1975, 98% of public sector employees and 88% of private sector employees were covered by defined benefit plans. Again, a defined benefit plan is you accrued benefits over time

And then once you were vested, when you retired, based on your income, based on the benefits that you've accrued, you would receive a fixed payment each month for the rest of your life. And depending on how you structured it, potentially the life of your spouse. Defined benefit plans are managed by professionals. There's a pension board made up of senior management of the company. They

They have outside consultants to assist with the investments. They have actuaries. They have professional money management. And it's pooled. It's risk pooling. Some of those retirees will die in the first years of retirement. And those benefits that they accrued will go to those that live longer. And that pooling reduces the longevity risk. The other benefit of defined pension plans is they can invest more.

with a very long time horizon. Because it's not like a defined contribution plan where this is your nest egg and whatever the returns are during your life, that's going to fund your retirement. With a defined benefit plan, yes, they're subject to market risk, but they can ride out a lot of those longer-term declines in the stock market and they've diversified away because they can hold illiquid assets in the private capital space. It

It's just better run and better risk managed compared to what a typical employee is doing with their defined contribution plan. Many grossly unqualified to be managing investments. It's not easy. Why do defined benefit pension plans hire outside advisors to assist them with the asset allocation?

and all of the assumptions to figure out how much to contribute to make sure that the obligations are met. Now, there were issues with defined benefit plans. In the 1960s, for example, Studebaker, a car manufacturing company, defined benefit plan, and they went bankrupt. And at the time, there was no pension guarantee corporation, no insurance mechanism. So you had in

employees that had worked for Studebaker for decades and they were out of retirement. That was a risk also with defined benefit plans. You were with one employer for most of your life. And if that employer went under, you didn't have a pension. So in 1974, Congress passed the Employee Retirement Income Security Act. It created the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation. So every pension had to

contribute to an insurance fund to basically meet the pension obligations of corporations that went bankrupt so that their pension plan could continue so that the workers were protected. That was an important change. But it also required additional bookkeeping, additional cost to protect those employees. And that was burdensome for corporations.

Companies could also offer profit-sharing plans, which were like defined contribution plans, but it wasn't until 1978 that the IRS made a change that employees could take cash wages and set them aside in a defined contribution account, that employers could match those contributions, and in the U.S., a 401k plan was born.

I used to consult on pension plans as part of my work as an institutional investment advisor. I saw the work that these corporations did to manage the pension plan. It was a lot of work because the risk...

was on the employer to make sure it met the obligations to its employees. And they took that responsibility seriously. But with the 401k, it had some additional advantages. The workers could take their account with them and they could roll it into the 401k plan of their next employer or they could roll it into an individual employer.

retirement account. The costs were less because the risk was then put on the employees to figure out which option to choose to manage their investments. I had

One client that had both defined benefit plans and defined contribution plans, and the CFO was incredibly worried about his employees and them making the wrong choices with their 401k plan, but he was also worried about getting sued by providing investment advice to them.

employers provide education, but suddenly with a 401k, employees had to decide where to invest it. How does the stock market work? What's a bond? I used to provide 401k education to some of my clients. I'd show up at seven in the morning

After the third shift of a chemical plant, they were done working. We would move into the break room. I'd bring donuts and I'd try to provide some basic education while they were nodding off to sleep. It's a challenge. Still, 401k plans became incredibly popular, both for the employees, but also for the employers. Between 1975 and

and 2019, the number of defined contribution plan participants in the private sector increased from 10 million to 85 million. It's an 850% increase. Meanwhile, the number of defined benefit plans decreased 43% over the same period. This is for private sector employees and employers. What didn't change that much, though,

were public sector employees. The number of public sector defined benefit plans only decreased 12% in the 45 years between 1975 and 2020. And partly it was because the public sector wasn't covered by ERISA. Their cost burdens to administer the plans weren't as high as the private sector. And so now when we look at how much is invested

in defined contribution plans in the U.S., $8.1 trillion. This is as of December 2022, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, compared to $3.7 trillion in defined benefit plans. That's for the private sector. $8 trillion in defined contribution plans, $3.7 in defined benefit. It's reversed for state and local government. $9.5 trillion in defined benefit plans, less

less than $500 million in defined contribution plans.

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So there's some reasons why 401k plans became popular. Popular for employees, popular for employers. And it didn't help that by 1982, when more than half of private companies offered 401k plans,

that it was an absolute marvelous time to start investing in the stock market. I wrote about this last week on LinkedIn. In 1982, the dividend yield for U.S. stocks was 6.6%. That's because there was a tremendous bear market for stocks for the previous decade, from July 72 to July 82. Excluding dividends, U.S. stocks fell significantly.

1% per year annualized for that 10-year period. Inflation was very high, over 8%. Earnings were growing at 8% per year and with a dividend yield of 6.6%. Generally, those two combined, if valuations didn't change, that would lead to a 14% return for the stock market over that decade, except stocks plummeted in value. The price-to-earnings ratio went from 17.8% in

in July 1972, down to 7.3% in July 1982. And so these 401k plans were starting and employees were saving at a time when the stock market was incredibly cheap with dividend yields over 6%. And bond yields were also high. Bond yields in 1982 were over 10%. They had reached over 16% in 1981.

And so that first decade from 1982 to 1992, when 401k plans were proliferating in the U.S. and other defined contribution schemes around the world, U.S. stocks returned 17.7% annualized over that decade. And U.S. bonds returned 13.3% annualized. Baby boomers investing during that time, building up their 401k balances had a huge

huge tailwind which contributed to the popularity of 401 plans.

We can take another 10-year period from December 1998 through December 2008, the end of the great financial crisis. During that period, the U.S. stock market returned negative 2% annualized and non-U.S. returned 1.2%. Over that 10-year period of time, if you were getting ready to retire, not so great. Bond market returned about 5% annualized over that time period. Now, most workers, but not all,

have the opportunity to participate in a 401k plan, but they all don't. In 2020, working-age baby boomers ages 56 to 64, only 58% had some type of retirement plan to find benefit, a 401k, or an IRA. So over 40% didn't even have a retirement plan, didn't participate

56% of Gen X ages 40 to 55 participated in a retirement plan. Almost half didn't. And now it's been over 40 years since 401k plans were rolled out. And if we look at the amount of savings that individuals have, it's not enough.

Here's some data from Empower, which is a financial dashboard that aggregates his data. They tend to be more sophisticated employees. For those in their 60s, the median is $207,000. That's the middle. So half have less. If you have $200,000 and you're 65 and you're ready to retire, if you want to spend 4% of that,

to live on, that's $8,000 per year, plus whatever you get for Social Security. That's the median. So half have less than that when they're ready to retire, which is why many don't. They just keep working because the balance isn't what they would hope would like it to be. The median retirement account size for households in the 20th

to 39th percentile is only $20,000. Below that, 20th percentile and below, they don't have anything or very, very little. And when you look at these 401k balances, it can be discouraging for workers.

mainly because of the compounding and the biggest impact of compounding occurs in those later years. We gave you the example of Jen. She's 50, only $200,000 in her 401k, which is slightly below the median for people in their 50s. She could get to a million dollars if the stock market returns 6% per year, depending on whether the market crashes

crashes or not in those final years up until she turns 65 to 67. One of the other things with 401k plans is the ability to take out loans for either a hardship or non-hardship withdrawal. And

And because the balances are so small and the workers aren't terribly sophisticated in understanding the concept, despite all the education they're given, because investing is not easy, 401k plans end up being like an emergency fund. After I took my first job in corporate finance, I worked for AT&T Capital for three years before joining this advisory firm. I had a self-directed 401k at AT&T Capital. I could invest in anything I want.

I put way too much money in a closed-end fund, the Mexico Fund, after the peso crisis in 1994. I didn't really understand closed-end funds. It was selling at a premium, and I lost money. I think my 401k balance was only about $20,000 after I left AT&T Capital in 1995. And then during the internet bubble, I said, well, I'm just going to put it in the most expensive growth stocks I could find.

Now, it was stupid, and I knew it was stupid at the time, but I invested in JDS Uniphase and some other networking company. And then...

And after the bubble broke, it was worth $8,000. So I just pulled it out. I didn't even roll it over. I was frustrated. I said, I'll just, I think we paid off some student loans with it. And I have an MBA in finance and I'm doing stupid stuff with my 401k. Now I wisened up and invested my 401k with my existing employer.

my advisory firm, much more conscientiously. But all the risk was on me, and it's on you to figure this out. Is it any wonder that 76% of millennials and 68% of Gen Xers feel like they'll not have the same retirement income level as retirees of the previous generation? Well, no kidding, because the previous generation had defined benefit plans. And now, after 40 years of 401k, we have aging parents, millennials,

that don't have enough retirement savings. And so their adult children are having to assist, and that keeps them from saving as much as they could in their 401k. Larry Fink, CEO of BlackRock, said in his annual letter, as a society, we focus a tremendous amount of energy on helping people live longer lives, but not even a fraction of that effort is spent helping people afford those extra years.

Now, 401k plans have worked out tremendously well for high income individuals. It's worked out well for me because

Because I got my act together, I was contributing tremendous amounts, maxing out my 401k every year. We had a profit sharing plan. There are all kinds of incentives in place to encourage individuals to save more. There's catch-up provisions. There, the Internal Revenue Service has a retirement savings contribution credit. So there's a tax credit for your first investments in 401k or an IRA. We're not lacking incentives to save. The

The problem is the structure is flawed because there is no risk pooling. Each individual is on his or her own, subject to the whims of the market, subject to their financial literacy and their

their behavioral control, to have the discipline to keep savings and not tapping that savings when there is a crisis, a health crisis or something else. And that is incredibly difficult to do. So if we were going to restructure, we need personal retirement accounts that are similar to defined benefit plans that have the

the risk pooling that have a very long-term time horizon because everybody can be pooled together. And there are countries that have this. Canada has the Canadian pension plan, the CPP, where it's mandatory. Individuals contribute 5.95% to it each year. The employer also contributes that amount. The money is pooled together. It's professionally managed.

And then when you retire or you're disabled, you get a payout every month based on what was contributed. But there's a pooling aspect of it that makes the money last longer. That's why Jen, when she's 65 or 67, if she takes her 401k balance and rolls it into an immediate annuity, she would get around $6,500 a month, just under $75,000 a year.

to live on. Then she would have Social Security and she would basically have her retirement set. She's one of the disciplined, more knowledgeable participants in the middle class, but she understands it. But she's also very aware that that outcome is dependent on what the returns of the market is and that she doesn't get sick and that she doesn't lose her job. She wishes that her retirement wasn't dependent on her ability to invest. It

It makes me very nervous, she said. And she sees her parents and grandparents that have pension plans and she's a little envious. She says, I wish that were an option for us.

Hopefully, there will be that Congress, the government will get together and realize as this generation retires, with most not having enough, many facing homelessness, that just letting individuals be responsible completely for saving and investing their retirement, it does work for a small subset, the minority. But for most, it doesn't because of the lack of risk pooling, because of the lack of

because it's not mandatory to participate, because the assets aren't professionally managed as a pool, every person for themselves. And that's incredible pressure to manage for most individuals. Now, I'm not aware of what's in the works now. I'm sure there's been proposed changes by Congress. But as it becomes ever more clear that we're in a retirement savings crisis, hopefully we can put something together in the U.S. like other countries have done today.

so that individuals can have a more secure retirement. That's episode 497. Thanks for listening.

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