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Vol.065 这次她又如何和这世界的浮华唱反调|阿布拉莫维奇的再次中国行

2024/10/18
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以“艺术脱口秀”方式推广东西方艺术文化的策展人和作家。
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雨尘swanheart: 此次阿布拉莫维奇在上海举办的个展"能量转换",其沉浸式体验设计营造出一种放慢时间流速的空间,使人产生时间和意义的虚无感,如同置身精神病院。展览中,参与者需要关闭部分感官,强化其他感官的体验,从而引发对自身和世界的深刻思考。展览空间设计巧妙地融合了中国元素,例如药剂师的装扮、中药材的意象等,使展览更具本土特色。展览的互动性很强,参与者可以自由选择不同的体验项目,例如缓慢行走、在浴缸中闭目感受花瓣、聆听慢速节拍器等。每个体验项目都旨在引导参与者放慢节奏,进入一种冥想状态,从而达到能量转换的目的。 阿布拉莫维奇在展览现场与观众互动,回答了观众提出的问题。她谈到了自己早年进行自虐式行为艺术的经历,以及近年来转向引导观众参与体验的转变。她认为,行为艺术的魅力在于其直接性和真实性,能够触动人心,改变人的生活。她还强调了行为艺术与戏剧表演的区别,前者是展现真实的自我,后者是演绎别人。 在与阿布拉莫维奇的交流中,我感受到了她强大的气场和个人魅力,以及她对艺术的执着追求。她对艺术的理解和表达方式深深地影响了我,让我对艺术有了更深刻的认识。 罗依尔Roy: 阿布拉莫维奇的"能量转换"展览,其核心在于引导观众参与其中,并通过一系列精心设计的沉浸式体验,引发观众对时间、空间、自我和存在的思考。展览空间的布置和氛围营造,以及工作人员的引导方式,都体现了艺术家对细节的极致追求。展览中,观众的感官体验被有意识地调控,以达到强化某些感官,削弱其他感官的目的,从而引导观众进入一种特殊的精神状态。 展览中,观众的参与方式多种多样,既有被动接受的体验,也有主动参与的互动。这种多样化的参与方式,使展览更具包容性和开放性,也更能满足不同观众的需求。展览中,观众的体验是主观的,因人而异,这正是行为艺术的魅力所在。 阿布拉莫维奇的行为艺术作品,例如《节奏零》和《巴尔干巴洛克》,都具有极强的视觉冲击力和精神震撼力,能够引发观众对权力、暴力、战争和人类命运等深刻议题的思考。这些作品的成功之处在于,它们并非单纯的视觉呈现,而是通过独特的规则和表演方式,引导观众主动参与其中,并引发其内心的共鸣和反思。 阿布拉莫维奇的艺术创作,体现了艺术家对自我、对社会、对人类命运的深刻思考,以及她对艺术的执着追求和不懈探索。她的作品不仅具有艺术价值,也具有重要的社会意义。

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Why did Marina Abramović emphasize the importance of time and energy in her performance art?

Marina Abramović believes that performance art requires the artist to invest their time and energy, while the audience must also contribute their attention and time. This mutual exchange creates a genuine connection and makes the performance effective. She stated, 'I gave my time and my energy, and you, as participants, gave me your time and attention.' This is why her exhibition is titled 'Energy Transfer,' highlighting the exchange of energy between the artist and the audience.

What was the immersive experience like at Marina Abramović's exhibition in China?

The immersive experience at Marina Abramović's exhibition in China was designed to slow down time and heighten sensory awareness. Participants had to store their phones and wear noise-canceling headphones. The space was filled with white-clad 'pharmacist' guides who moved slowly and spoke in a monotone voice. The experience included walking through a series of doors, lying in a bathtub filled with rose petals, and interacting with various installations. The goal was to create a meditative, almost surreal environment where participants could disconnect from the outside world and focus on their inner sensations.

How did Marina Abramović's 'Rhythm 0' performance explore the dynamics of power and human behavior?

In 'Rhythm 0,' Marina Abramović placed herself in a passive role, allowing the audience to interact with her using various objects, including a gun, a whip, and roses. The performance revealed how people behave when given absolute power without consequences. Initially, the audience was hesitant, but as the performance progressed, they became increasingly aggressive, culminating in someone pointing a gun at her. The performance ended with Abramović walking toward the audience, who then fled, unable to face her. This piece highlighted the darker aspects of human nature and the potential for violence when power is unchecked.

What is the significance of Marina Abramović's 'Balkan Baroque' performance?

In 'Balkan Baroque,' Marina Abramović sat in a pile of bloody cow bones, washing them while singing a sorrowful Yugoslavian children's song. The performance was a commentary on the atrocities of war, particularly in the Balkans, and served as a memorial to the victims. The visual and sensory impact of the blood and bones created a powerful and haunting experience, emphasizing the futility and horror of violence. This piece is considered one of her most profound works, blending personal and collective grief.

Why does Marina Abramović believe that books cannot change people, but actions can?

Marina Abramović argues that reading a book or hearing a theory can inspire or impress, but true change only occurs through direct experience and action. She stated, 'Books cannot truly change a person. Only actions can.' Her performance art is designed to create immersive experiences that force participants to confront their emotions and thoughts, leading to personal transformation. This belief underscores the core of her work, which relies on the physical and emotional presence of both the artist and the audience.

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本期节目分享了主播雨尘和嘉宾罗依尔在阿布拉莫维奇上海大展上的体验。展览名为“能量转换”,采用沉浸式设计,参观者需要寄存手机,在近乎无声的环境中,以缓慢的速度体验一系列装置,例如缓慢行走空间、充满玫瑰花瓣的浴缸和水晶门等。这种设计旨在关闭部分感官,强化其他感官的感受,引发参观者对时间、意义和自我的思考。
  • 沉浸式体验,寄存手机,缓慢行走
  • 关闭部分感官,强化其他感官
  • 对时间、意义和自我的思考

Shownotes Transcript

每次行为艺术都话题拉满,这次阿布时隔36年再来中国做个展,网络评论也呈现两极化

“跌落神坛”“不知所云” 都算轻的

本次展览叫能量转换,更有人说去了之后回家睡不好觉,感觉能量被偷

本期你将听到主播在行为艺术之母阿布拉莫维奇今年大展上的体验报告,以及追“星”实录,谁说艺术家不追星,除非她是阿布拉莫维奇,来听听看她如何在喧嚣繁华的上海用几吨水晶打造了一个“疯人院”,如何驯服了这些不羁的灵魂和如何和这城市的浮华唱反调

这是一个用自己的热爱做了四十多年行为艺术并改写艺术史的女人,来感受这位活着的传奇身上强悍的精神和巨大的能量

【About】

聊天的人:雨尘swanheart(小红书:万雨尘SWan,微博:@万雨尘)

@罗依尔Roy (视频号:罗依尔的艺术陪伴)

文案:雨尘

后期剪辑制作:Swan Choice 工作室

小助手:Msswanheart (添加微信并备注听友群)

shownotes,

02:15 做了五十年行为艺术没有通过它赚到过钱

03:55 一个喧嚣里安静地缓慢到显得荒唐的空间

10:10 关掉一些感官来强化其他感官的感受

17:40 到底谁看谁是疯子

21:30 艺术家也追星?当然!只会更狂热

29:35 “书是没法让人发生改变的,只有行为能真正让人改变”

35:27 行为艺术和戏剧表演的不同,阿布有惊人的洞察力和演技

38:50 怎样的才是艺术,和炒作的艺术有何不同

41:55 【节奏0】为什么能成为这么多人的心头好

51:30 最适合播客的作品【巴尔干巴洛克】

REF (能量转换展览现场) (Rhythm 0  ,1974) (The Artist Is Present,Mar 14–May 31, 2010) (Marina Abramović. Balkan Baroque. 1997) (Balkan Baroque later version)

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