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Islamic State's big opportunity

2024/12/11
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Catherine Philp: 伊斯兰国(ISIS)的残余势力依然存在,并试图利用叙利亚当前的混乱局势,特别是阿萨德政权垮台后的权力真空,来重新崛起。他们活跃在叙利亚库尔德地区的拘留营和叙利亚大马士革的监狱中,这些地方关押着许多伊斯兰国战斗人员及其家属。西方国家拒绝遣返这些战斗人员,使得叙利亚局势更加不稳定,也为伊斯兰国的复苏提供了条件。此外,叙利亚广阔的无人管控地区也为伊斯兰国提供了活动空间。伊斯兰国是一个极端组织,其目标是制造混乱,他们对叙利亚政府军士兵,特别是什叶派士兵,采取了极其残酷的对待方式,经常将其处决并制作成宣传视频。虽然叙利亚救世阵线(HTS)试图展现温和形象,但其伊斯兰主义本质依然存在,未来走向仍存在不确定性。伊斯兰国对西方的威胁主要体现在其鼓动性而非直接行动上,其造成的最大危害是针对居住在其领土及周边地区的人民。 Toby Gillis 和 Alex Dibble: 两位主持人主要负责引导话题,提出问题,并对Catherine Philp的回答进行总结和回应,没有提出独立的观点。

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Why is there concern about Islamic State potentially rising again in Syria?

The fall of Assad's regime has created a power vacuum, similar to Libya after Gaddafi, allowing extremist groups like Islamic State to exploit ungoverned spaces. HTS, the current dominant group, is distancing itself from extremism, but its control is uncertain, leaving room for IS to resurge.

Where are the remnants of Islamic State currently located in Syria?

IS remnants are present in Kurdish-controlled camps, prisons in Damascus, and ungoverned desert areas near the Iraqi border. These spaces provide opportunities for IS to regroup and operate.

Why have Western countries like Britain refused to repatriate IS fighters and their families?

Western nations have deemed the situation in Syria too unstable to repatriate foreign fighters and their families, leaving them in Kurdish-controlled camps, which could become vulnerable if the Kurds lose control.

How does the relationship between HTS and Islamic State differ from their past partnership?

HTS and IS were once partners but fell out due to the extreme violence IS pursued in establishing a caliphate. HTS now seeks to distance itself from extremism, while IS remains far more radical and violent.

What is the significance of the recent execution of 54 government soldiers by Islamic State?

The execution highlights IS's continued activity and its targeting of pro-Assad forces, particularly Shia soldiers. This contrasts with HTS, which has used language of reconciliation and amnesty for regime supporters.

Should Western nations be blamed for the potential resurgence of Islamic State due to their refusal to repatriate fighters?

Yes, leaving battle-hardened fighters in ungoverned spaces with grievances is irresponsible, especially with unreliable allies like Turkey nearby. Repatriation was necessary to prevent this situation.

What is the primary threat to the West if Islamic State rises again in Syria?

The primary threat is not major terror attacks in the West, as most ISIS-linked plots were inspired rather than orchestrated from Syria. The greatest peril remains to local populations and fellow Muslims in the region.

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This chapter explores the potential for Islamic State's resurgence in Syria amidst the uncertainty following the fall of Assad's regime. It discusses the group's past activities, current presence in detention camps and prisons, and the overall instability that could facilitate their return. The relationship between Islamic State and HTS, a group currently in power, is also examined.
  • Islamic State's presence in Syria is more significant than recent media coverage suggests.
  • The group is present in detention camps and prisons, and their release could be a major destabilizing factor.
  • The fall of Assad's regime has created a power vacuum, potentially enabling a resurgence of extremist groups.
  • HTS's relationship with Islamic State was initially one of partnership, but later deteriorated due to ideological differences.

Shownotes Transcript

Is the uncertainty within Syria opening an opportunity for Islamic State to surge back? As HTS looks to take control, The Times' World Affairs editor, Catherine Philp, explains how IS, which remains far more extreme than any other Islamist group, will be eyeing this moment as its chance to return.

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