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Frontline special - China expert Ian Williams

2024/12/15
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James Hansen:就叙利亚、台湾、中美贸易战、中国经济以及韩国局势等问题,与中国问题专家Ian Williams进行了深入探讨。 Ian Williams:叙利亚局势动荡对中国在中东的影响力造成打击,但影响程度不及伊朗和俄罗斯。中国与叙利亚建立关系的目的是为了扩大其在中东的影响力,而非出于战略或军事利益。中国在国际经济关系中,并不太在意合作对象的政治背景,甚至与独裁者合作也在所不惜。叙利亚事件提醒所有专制政权,看似稳定的政权也可能迅速崩溃。中国专制政权在看似强大时往往是最脆弱的。中国在台湾海峡举行了大规模军事演习,其目标不仅是台湾,也包括美国及其西方盟友。中国在台湾海峡的军事演习旨在阻止美国干预台海冲突。中国对美国芯片公司英伟达的调查以及其他行动,都是为了向特朗普政府发出警告,表明中国有能力进行报复。中国对美国实施的制裁,包括限制关键矿物和无人机组件的销售,以及警告可能对美国政客实施制裁,都是为了回应可能的关税措施。中美贸易战升级的风险很高,因为中国将承受更大的损失。美国也曾对批评中国的政客实施过类似的制裁。中国经济面临诸多挑战,北京对此深感担忧。中国经济增长乏力,青年失业率高,房地产市场低迷,消费者信心不足。中国以往依靠房地产和基础设施建设拉动经济增长,但这些模式已接近极限。中国房地产泡沫破裂,基础设施建设投资回报率下降,出口导向型经济模式也面临挑战。中国试图转向高端制造和创新经济,但受到政府过度控制的阻碍。在习近平领导下,中国经济的实质性改革难以实现。习近平周围可能有人认识到中国经济问题的严重性,但由于权力高度集中,他们难以提出不同意见。中国军队内部存在不满情绪。中国经济下行可能导致社会不满情绪加剧,威胁到中国共产党的稳定。中国共产党对中产阶级的支持主要来自于经济增长带来的利益,而经济下行可能危及这种支持。中国各地出现抗议活动,反映出社会稳定性受到威胁。中国共产党与中产阶级之间的社会契约可能面临破裂。特朗普政府可能会加剧与中国的贸易战。特朗普政府中的鹰派人士主张对抗中国,但特朗普本人的不可预测性增加了不确定性。特朗普政府的对华政策将受到鹰派和亲华企业家之间力量平衡的影响。中国可能会利用苹果和特斯拉等美国公司作为对抗美国政府的工具,但同时这些公司也可能成为中国与美国对话的桥梁。中国短期内入侵台湾的可能性较小,但可能采取“蟒蛇战略”逐步施压。中国入侵台湾的可能性较小,因为入侵行动的难度很大,失败的后果不堪设想。中国更有可能采取“蟒蛇战略”,逐步对台湾施压。中国擅长利用灰色地带策略逐步试探美国的底线。中国在网络诈骗活动中负有责任。东南亚的许多经济特区成为网络诈骗的中心,这些特区与中国黑社会组织有密切联系。中国政府对这些经济特区中的网络诈骗活动缺乏有效控制。国际社会对中国在打击网络诈骗方面的行动不满意。南韩总统试图实施戒严,这出乎意料地显示出南韩民主制度的脆弱性。南韩总统试图实施戒严事件令人震惊,显示出南韩民主制度的脆弱性,但南韩民主制度最终得以恢复。南韩总统在国内不受欢迎,这可能是导致其试图实施戒严的原因。特朗普政府的对外政策可能不会走向孤立主义。特朗普政府可能会在言辞上强调“美国优先”,并对欧洲施压,但实际上不会完全走向孤立主义。特朗普政府的对华政策与对乌克兰政策相互关联。特朗普政府的不可预测性使其对外政策难以预测。特朗普政府的对外政策不会必然导致美国孤立主义和西方联盟的瓦解。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

What was China's role in Syria, and how did the recent events impact Beijing?

China was cozying up to Assad to extend its influence in the Middle East through economic and development aid, leveraging the Belt and Road Initiative. The sudden fall of Damascus was a shock to Beijing, as they believed Iran and Russia had provided stability for China to expand its economic influence.

Why did China see Syria as strategically important?

China viewed Syria as a building block in its broader strategy to compete with the United States and extend its influence in the Middle East. It saw Assad as a way to expand its economic and political reach in the region, despite his reputation as a thug.

What message is China sending with its recent military exercises around Taiwan?

China's military exercises, the largest since 1996, are designed to send a message not only to Taiwan but also to the United States and Western allies, demonstrating its ability to keep the Americans out of any potential conflict over Taiwan through anti-access area denial strategies.

How is China retaliating against the U.S. in the tech sector?

China has launched an anti-competition investigation into NVIDIA, a leading American chip company, as part of a broader strategy to retaliate against U.S. actions. This move is designed to remind Western companies of China's power and ability to disrupt their operations in the country.

What are the current challenges facing the Chinese economy?

The Chinese economy is struggling with anemic growth rates, high youth unemployment, a bursting property market bubble, and a lack of consumer confidence. Efforts by Beijing to boost the economy have so far underwhelmed, and the trade war with the U.S. could further exacerbate these issues.

Why is China's push for high-end manufacturing innovation facing difficulties?

China's focus on high-end manufacturing innovation is hindered by Xi Jinping's obsession with control, which clashes with the need for innovation. The Communist Party's interference in laboratories, schools, and boardrooms stifles the creativity and market freedom required for meaningful innovation.

How might the discontent among China's middle class impact the regime?

The middle class, a key support base for the Chinese Communist Party, is feeling the economic pinch due to the property market crisis and stagnant growth. If this discontent grows, it could threaten the social pact between the party and the middle class, where economic benefits were traded for political docility.

What is the likelihood of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan in the next 12 months?

An outright invasion of Taiwan is unlikely due to the logistical challenges and potential political fallout for Xi Jinping. Instead, China is more likely to intensify grey zone strategies, such as cyber warfare and economic pressure, to test the resolve of the U.S. and its allies.

What role do Chinese special economic zones play in global cyber scams?

These zones, particularly in the Golden Triangle, are hubs for cyber scams, run by Chinese gangsters linked to the triads. They operate under the guise of the Belt and Road Initiative, making it difficult for international law enforcement to crack down on them without China's cooperation.

What does the attempted coup in South Korea reveal about the country's political stability?

The attempted coup in South Korea was a shock, suggesting that despite its democratic institutions, political stability can be fragile. The president's deep unpopularity and the swift reassertion of democratic forces highlight the tensions within South Korean politics.

Chapters
This chapter analyzes China's strategic engagement with Syria under President Assad, examining the motivations behind China's support and the implications of recent events in Syria for China's regional influence. The discussion includes China's role in providing financial and developmental aid and the potential impact on China's prestige.
  • China's close relationship with Assad was part of its broader strategy to increase influence in the Middle East.
  • China provided financial and development aid to Syria, but the extent of its involvement remains unclear.
  • The events in Syria represent a blow to China's prestige and strategic objectives in the region.

Shownotes Transcript

In this extended Frontline conversation, James Hanson speaks to China expert and author Ian Williams about Taiwan, South Korea and the impact of China's trade war with the US.

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