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He folks, Julia here, the to the team is taking a break from our usual programming this week because it's election week and we want to share another pocket we think you're gonna enjoy.

It's hosted by my friend Carry swisher, an award winning journalist and a really tough interviewer who covers tech, politics and media on her podcast on with cra swish er in the episode we're about to share a care interviews me and we talk a little bit about everything, including the importance of human connection, the commercialization of art films, death, why is still very possible to create great comedy and twenty twenty four, even if it's risky, and how making this podcast and having deep conversations with older women has radicalize me. I love talking to cara because she's smart, she's funny, he knows a lot and she's a great conversation list. And in just the past few months, carrs interviewed powerhouse women like Nancy policy, hilly, rod m.

Clinton, Rachel mathew rocks and gay and Alexander oaa cortez. You can listen to more of her show by clicking the link in our show notes or by searching for on with cross wisher in your podcast APP. Okay, here's .

the episode.

Hi everyone from new york magazine in the box media podcast network. This is on with carrell swisher and on Carol swisher. We've had a slow of power woman on on and today or keeping up that streak comedian and actor Julie li di ice.

She's obviously a comedy legend. I'm an enormous fan. She's one eleven M S. A record of eight SHE got for playing some of tv's most iconic female characters on three different sit coms lying Venus and signifieth Christine cambell in the new adventures of old Christine and of course, vice president elena maye in vab. I don't know which one I like the most.

I like all the characters I suspect in is my character uh because she's real actually I met people like her um but my kids like science field. I love science field. IT says fresh even today and she's probably ly my favorite character on that show besides, uh Jerry stiller and hurt scene if you haven't seen its on youtube of her and uh Jerry stiller cracking each other up is one of the finest bits of comedy i've ever seen.

She's been honored with a mark twin prize for american humor and the national medal of arts. SHE is a national treasures, obviously, and now she's winning awards for her new podcast, wise than me, where SHE gets life lessons from women over seventy being found a friend, lib with glorious time, im party Smith and the mot ah, who I also recently spoke to. They've talked about what they've learned and how they've coped with the hard stuff, including death and grief, which is also the focus of Julia's latest film tuesday. And so fittingly, our question this week comes from psychotherapy and host of where should I begin podcast as stair parl, i'm excited to talk to her, and I think .

you'll be excited to hear from her.

Hi, hi, Carry. Are you doing? Thank you so much for doing this. I appreciated. Oh.

my goodness, it's my pleasure.

The movie was astonishing. I have to say you were fantastic in IT. Oh, thank you very much.

And I love anything about death. So i'm very excited about IT. Yeah I do too, actually. But first, I want to talk about the podcast, your podcasting empire partly yeah, you're doing really well.

You just wrapped up the second season of wiser than me, which you interview women over seventy. A lot of celebrities have podcast these days. Obviously, a lot of them are different from yours.

For example, I think smartness is basically a buddy comedy. Talk about how you decided to do this and the way you conceived of IT. Well.

I just IT. I watched the chain funded documentary. I don't know .

if you've seen .

IT have yeah yeah it's phenomenal in my view and I was just riviera and it's after watching that, I I really did think, oh god, where are all the old women? We're not hearing from these women. I think we are really not hearing from them.

And I wish there was a place where we could just only hear from old women. And so that's where sort of began. And I thought, well, maybe i'll do IT and you know, and that's how IT started.

IT was born out of a curiosity, not not any desire to do a podcast necessarily, but just to actually hear from older women. And then I I sort of developed IT with my, with my college roommate. And it's been a real, a labor of love and passion.

It's been very popular. It's a very high up on the rankings. Were you surprised by that?

You know, I was surprised by IT because I wasn't really thinking about how I would do. I was just thinking about doing that if that makes sense. I wasn't going after IT with that ambition. That doesn't mean i'm not the ambitious, of course, but IT IT really means that I was just trying to think of people that would be interesting to talk to in a great.

a great line. How do you look at the podcast? Medium is a way to do that.

Know a lot of people get in and they get out of IT pretty quickly because it's hard. It's a marathon. It's a real marathon. yes.

And some make money, some don't um but there but they IT can be very lucrative if I ve had a really good run in that regard. Um but how do you look at IT as a medium to communicate this? Because there's lots of ways you could have done this. You could have a talk show, television, right? Yes, I am.

Well, I mean, I guess because sort of like the conversation we're having now, which feels relax, a few and I were in front of an audience right now and and having to talk and I was in her and makeup and crap, it's a different it's an absolutely different content of conversation. And I actually enjoy talking to people on their podcast when we sort of get into depth about things because I think it's I just find get interesting to communicate .

that way right .

conversation yes. Um and so I thought that that this medium would be conducive to those kinds of intimate conversations where we maybe get a little bit more underneath um underneath material. Um also we don't um video the podcast at all. So there's no pressure on these women who may have a feeling of self consciousness because they're older. I'm not suggesting they should, of course, but in case just to make IT as .

relax as possible right to a conversation you know dinner with another kind of vibe to IT, how do you pick the subjects in the approach? Like what is your goal, say, with jane funda, you talk to her about ambition?

Well, it's really dict by the women themselves. We do. I do in order. Ant, with my team's help, I do an enormous man of research in prep and so that I can come to this conversation and not squander IT. Uh so it's really their lives.

And what strikes me is interesting to delvin to I mean talking to somebody like isabela na versus was a bony rather Patty Smith or beverley Johnson. These are they they ve had wildly varied lives from one another. So it's just it's entirely based on their experience.

That said, though, there are particular set of questions that I love to hear them answer. I mean, I always opened by asking how old they are and how old do they feel? And they're always subjects that i'd like to deal in to like loss, for example, ambition.

And then at the end I might say things like, you know, what would you say? Your twenty one. You're old self. You know what he wish you said no or yes to that kind of.

So you talked about being radicalized by these women, or more radicalized by these women. That was the quote, who have you been most influenced by and what surprised you in the inner dues, which you didn't expect? I don't know isabela andy is a crack up. I don't .

know what well is a balan a oh god. What a phenomenal human being. I was struck by her complete joy, uh, in life.

I was overcome by IT. And a SHE talked about being her eighties as being the best thing ever. And SHE mounted.

I have a very good life. I'm very happy.

Oh god.

that's i'm so happy.

July, really. I'm happy to be alive. I'm happy to be here.

I'm happy to be looking through my window right now. I live very close to all. And I see the ducks and the gaze, and it's fantastic.

What do you think the best part about being your .

ages that you don't have to please anybody?

Oh yeah.

only the people you love and the people you careful, but not the world and not everybody else. You don't have to follow anybody's lead. You don't have to follow fashion or nothing. If I try to look good is because IT plays me, not because i'm trying to please anybody else. I don't care.

really. And that was just like, oh my god, IT IT was A A completely different lens through which to consider aging um glorious time um was who I spoke to a for this season obviously was just extraordinary SHE .

actually talked .

about how as you age and i'm going to butcher this SHE was talking about how as you age your inner girl becomes more realized. You think that women become more radical. I get older.

I suppose nothing is true all the time, but I do think it's possible that is often true because we outlive the stereotypical expectations of marriage and family in a sub dinant role if that still around or you know, I mean, I think just as we are maybe more ourselves when we're before a tender or even years old and were little girls who are climbing trees and saying, you know, I know what I want, I know what I think.

And the feminine role hasn't descended upon us yet. We may also be more ourselves at the other end, the feminine role. And I always think that would be great if an army of gray hair women could take over the earth.

Well, then the earth would be a safe place, in my view, really. Winter, yes, IT would be much Better. I would be much Better. There is a theme with with all of these women, all of them, which is a of what's expected of you, which as a woman, which is particularly fascinating to me and important to realize that I believe the .

technical term is no more fox left to give. Thank you. But it's necessarily thing, right?

Yeah no, it's fantastic. It's like for I am there's less bulls shit. I say what I feel I know what I know um I know more and and that's the whole consider the podcast they know more. So come on, let's listen to them.

Come on and woman, I will get to your movie and come on and woman, that was the best the best end line. I have to say one of things that I think the reason that works, this is a lot about you and you, how changes you're thinking, whether it's about the movie industry, women's rights becoming more liberal. Have these conversations changed you yourself, given you looking for, you know, wisdom, you know, wiser than me, or is that wisdom being put to use in your own life?

Well, I will say that my reflections afterwards, after I actually have these conversations, I I think a lot about them, and I will often or most often, right with my husband, the the story at the beginning of the podcast, that sort of will be a thread into the conversation. And so I would say certainly it's I don't know know if this is good or not, but it's always been a very private person in a lot of ways. And i've made a bit of a shift in terms of sharing aspects of myself. I don't know if i'm ultimately be gona regret that but but I I have done that yeah in a way that I find surprising don't have .

that much time for regret any more so it's okay. Yeah let them out. But you also call your mom and talk to her about them. Oh yeah. How does that? yeah.

Well, this occurred to me to do when we were at developing the show because my mother is very intelligent, curious. She's completely with her. She's ninety and SHE has been my she's been my beloved red mother.

I don't know what else to say, and so I and she's very intellectual. And so I thought, my god, of all the women, I must, I must include my mother in this in some way. So the idea of downloading with my mom feels right, because I download with my mom and I enjoy her. I thought maybe people would enjoy and she's getting a huge kick up. Yeah, yeah.

Would you spring her on? I don't believe you have correct. I think that would be. I'm waiting for that one. Honestly, you are.

That's something I am considering.

I suppose I think you have to i've had my son and my brother on, and i've been some of the most popular ones, which is interesting actually. My son, he's very wise for a Young person, but I would love to hear your mom and her thoughts. I think that would be really good because I she's a character in your podcast.

I mean, podcast are about characters in any case. We ve got a question this week from someone who's a fan, your podcast psychotherapist, as their host, to the podcast where should I begin? Um I know if you listen to its fantastic and you'll hear her question for you, oh god OK hello you will .

drive so much of your work on the broadcast is about starting conversation that the words needs to listening on and that really resonate with me. How do you think about the role of community of the collective in working through some of the very issues that you are processing on the show?

The importance of the collective in addressing aging, or loss, or love, or grief, hope, desire? What is the relationship between the iron dw in the process, in the processing of such complicated existence? Al qantas, thank you.

She's a therapies. She's a one of therapies, I know.

and she's a fantastic carrot. You answer IT.

Are you not smart enough? I'm a dma. No, you are not.

You said I could not. I couldn't understand. You are not a dumas. stop. No, I making a joke. I, I, well, I mean, to be honor with you, I think he answered the question and her question, SHE was talking about community and the collective, the we, in terms of dealing with issues and addressing loss and love and so and so th, and the answer is yes, the collective is the way out.

I think actually her question speaks to something that come out of these conversations actually particularly with my mother, which is um the key is connect, connect, connect. I don't mean plug your computer and I mean connect with human being, right? There's everything to be said for community and everything not to be said about isolation, right? And we're in a land of isolation now, which is paralyzing and toxic. So I think there is nothing but value in finding ways to take action, to connect with other people in every sense. I think people .

are desperate for IT, desperate, desperate for disagreement. In one of the reasons I always say one of my podcast pivot works because we're i'm connecting with a man who I disagree with in a way that's kind and we disagree a lot and and people are desperate for that. They're desperate.

They're desperate for a kind conversation you know yeah it's funny. I remember once um this is neither here nor they're but I was a while back and I was by myself IT was a weekend where I sort of didn't have plans and my husband asn't there and I was sort of a loan and I remember that I went to the grocery store and I found myself having an indebt conversation with the checkout woman at the register and I started to asking her questions about her life.

And I realized what afterwards what was happening, which was I was I was I was lonely and I was became very, very interested in her life. Why wouldn't I be interested? Everybody has an interesting life. But but I remember noting that, like h that's interesting. I really thought a human being out.

No, it's an important story. A years ago, you know, your podcast reminds me of a spalding gray, a did up a show at at the Kennedy center many years ago, where he brought people from the audience and just interviewed them are just randomly. And IT was brilliant because he said, everyone's story is interesting if he just talked to them and IT know he had his own troubles as as you know how life fended IT was the most riveting conversations i've ever seen because and that's what you're talking about here and that's what i'm talking about.

And by the way, that's what something my mother does and to sometimes great frustration to me and my my sisters because she'll talk to anybody and ask them everything and as a result, she's a viBrant human being. But he does mean IT takes a while to get out of any situation.

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So speaking of connection, uh let's talk about tuesday um dealing with existent alison and grief um just to let people know this is not a comedy but IT is funny in many ways yeah it's actually very funny. I giant julio's drive.

This is my favorite is dry, you handle your tonnes really well but also and small is you didn't like smallness much the you going through the grass is a tiny thing was, uh I felt the borrower all over again anyway um but it's about deaths literally in the form of a talking mccaw, I believe that's the bird I have not seen a movie like this in. I think for some reason the john milk of this movie was the last one IT reminded me of of the feelings I had during at its a fantasy. It's surreal in many ways. IT feels, you know like a Garcia and mars book or something like that. Can you talk a bit what attracted you in the reason for taking IT on?

So I the scrip was he sent to me by eight twenty four and I you know, IT was crazy bena as this ript but the themes of the of the film, the parent child bond a grief, loss, death, dying, acceptance, um denial h all of these things are incredibly interesting to me as a human being. And so then I met with a dinner opposite. K, who is the rider director creation woman? This is her first feature film.

And I met with her just to get a sense of, of course, of who he was and what her intentions were. And if I felt comfortable in her hands, and I came away feeling very trusting of her and signed up, god, you know, SHE, she's quite an artist. You i'm sure I know you'll be hearing more from her as a filmmaker.

And the animation, of course, was IT was paramount that the animation within the film was expert of the bird. Yes, but I I do want to say that within the film, as you say, there's this sort of monster like bird mccain that is representing death and and a lot of people think that was just cgi. In fact, IT was in not IT was played by an extraordinary actor or renz a kena. He was a cast member on with us and then what the animated or did was they used his performance and animated over him and so I always like to give a shout out to a rain sake because you're not actually necessarily seeing him, but you actually are very much yeah, it's interesting.

like in load of the rings, because he was there in that conversation you had at the table. I was like, the actor is sitting there with you. Corry, that's what I thought. That's what I figured.

Amazing, amazing performance, by the way, and disturbing at the same time but also very funny but very funny bird um but in the movie, a mother and daughter basically having a conversation with death and about death together. You've been through a cancer treatment you're apparent um i've had a stroke, my dad died. Talk about what you draw to understand about the depths of grief because in this case you're dealing with someone else's death or impending death.

Well, i've also lost people close to me. I've lost my data. I lost my sister and um so yeah I am certainly keenly aware of our mortal lives. So I brought all of that with me to this but I think the first thing that really appealed to me about this was the veracity of the parent child bond which um it's underived and it's enormous um and so I I enjoyed that aspect of the script, the length that a mother would go to to keep death away um and IT really explores that including, by the way, denial, denial of a reality. Yes.

not being there. Yes, not being there. I mean, you know, IT is interesting when I heard the description that I almost in want to watch IT because I have kids and the idea of I just I I know you know, I mean, it's one of those things that I was thinking the other day right before I watched. And like total, I have so many kids, i've up my chances of being upset, you know I mean, like I don't know why I keep popped into my brain, but one of the the things of grief of knowing your lose someone now we know that with older people, but it's it's harder your character or IT tries to avoid our daughter selling off bits and pieces of their beautiful things um and then you go to the other extreme which is Barbara e in trying to eat death literally um being forced by death confront can you talk a little IT about that a little more about the parent child bond because your characters at the cent of center of that and your child is kind of the doors really the child in the relationship in a weird way right?

That's that's what is the the disfunction certainly at the start of the film is source daughter whose name is tuesday, is really parenting her mother. And the journey, well, they're many journeys within the film. But one of the biggest journeys, I think, is the flip. So that by the end of the film, zor comes to realize the how SHE must parent her child in A A functional way, which includes accepting the realities of her situation.

One of the things is striking is not knowing the pain her daughter is and not being aware of the pain until SHE can hear her as having dead. So SHE has this hearing.

yeah, well, he has A I mean, it's very symbolic. It's very metaphorical. It's because of the transformation that happens. I were talking about this in such a way. I hope it's clear to people listening because but what zor does is SHE fights death in an effort to keep death away and then ultimately sort of becomes death.

He is, he learns by doing .

death SHE the learns by doing a and and then realizes that as death, SHE has to come to her daughter. Yeah, oh my god, I can't stand even saying and I get, I still upsets me.

I can't stand up. It's like a death deler .

where the way yes which of course there is um which I think is remarkable and I got I think about that a lot when I talked with is about I N A and we are talking about this thing called death and I was remarking when not because I had the actually the gift of being able to be with my dad when he passed away and I was very much struck by how that waiting and being with him was not the similar from waiting for some child to be born for a birth and the similarity in those transitions are similar um and i'm not suggesting that one is as joyful as the other but um they are from a life living point of view I was very and he was talking about that as well um SHE well what's interesting about IT is he becomes joyful when she's doing .

death right that night of of putting people at rest um the people screaming in the background and you don't get to see a lot of IT except for a couple of vaccines was very funny even though IT wasn't funny here I me like in the bird bang, bang, bang was I was in hysterical ics with that I was like, oh, that's what I would happen if death went away jett, a holiday right speaking in which um but you SHE SHE gets joyful by doing death. Would you like to have that power? Would you ever fuck?

no.

Are you kidding me? really? I kind of would. You would cry, yeah, because it's kind it's a kindness that mca isn't cruel, that macos kind.

that's too much for me to bear.

Yeah.

the pain I can handle that I pass on that job opportunity in .

real life alright, what you can do life part you can do the but they never link together. Um so one of the things I ve just one more question about the movie and then I want to talk a little about your longer career, but you finished this movie three years ago, I said looking back does does the idea of come on women still resonate well .

actually it's get up and .

get up woman, excuse me.

get up and sorry and um yes it's it's almost a montre. I think IT IT works IT certainly applies to my life. What's the alternative?

You've got to get up. You've got to keep. I mean, we have a limited amount of time. Let's go. Let's get IT done.

We will be back in a minute.

I want to talk a bit about your career. A in comedy. You made a joke at the mark two award in two thousand and eighteen about being a dramatic actors that was part of a bit damp. Peter hall, um what a mistake.

Um but IT would be hard not to finish up with the legacy of comedic actress we met at the awards show where you want the webby podcast of the year for wise than me but in your own television gree you ve won eleven emi's you're one of the few actors who is played not one but three iconic television characters albinus Christine cambell and vice president admire e how do you look at each character now um and to me what this is just me and you could have a different take. I'm just an audience member. They have a common as I need to be in the boys' club and I get that wrong um and all getting aside would been .

easier to be portion well I mean, all of the characters, the thread between the mall is profound frustration, I think is and and and of course, aren't you frustrated some? I mean, as a woman, isn't that you know, it's like frustration is kind of for me, a driver. And IT certainly is with all of these women. And I would say, you know, selena mayer in the most obvious and sort of ultimate of ways yeah but you know that in that mark twin speech and I was talking about being a drac actors and you know the truth is really do enjoy doing drama and um it's actually why I took on this role because I wanted to exercise that muscle again and have an opportunity to show that this is in my wheel house so that joke about the quality mercy is not strained was actually born out of a true place. Truth be told.

I am not going to wait you into the science felt controversy because I think that has something to do with you but i'd love to know what you think is funny now um everyone seems to have a theory obviously um but what do you think is funny right at this moment we're in.

That question, fine.

I think there's a lot of talk about how comics can't be funny. now. I think that's not true. I think comics are funnier now. That's bushed. I think that's all ship physical and electrical company and political, I think, has never been more interesting because there's so much to do.

Well, it's a yes, it's a right time. Um um you know comedie is is risky and IT can be offensive, but that's what makes IT so enjoyable not that is offensive, but that is risky. That is is truth. IT can be very truth chAllenge and with risk. I just I don't buy the concede I personally don't buy the concede that this is an impossible time to be funny um maybe some people aren't laughing at your jokes, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be made .

yeah so one of the things lane is known, for example, IT is with the physical moves, although the dry reports or the shops at the but also the first but and selena to me is all faial facial expressions and wicked verbal cuts. Um is IT harder to do physical or intellectual .

economy um there the equal strain. The physical comedy sometimes in my experience, is stuff that i've often found in rehearsal. So IT takes a little expLoring to find IT. But I wouldn't say that it's hard. I just I would say it's as much fun yeah there there's nothing more exciting than having really good material and then elevating IT if you can and if you do IT physically, it's just delish. absolutely.

I've you to come more question time fell particular, for example, which I think you'll probably be best known for even though I preferred the deep. I know it's I I love, I felt too, but is having this renaissance netflix a lot of Young people are watching the show and my son was like, if you heard a sign file them like a why do you think IT holds up um and that that Younger generations are connecting well.

I don't know why they're that is having this researching. I'm delighted that IT is I IT holds up because it's .

the human .

condition is undeniable ably funny IT wasn't a fat is it's speaks to really universal truths and um period it's just like a great show and it'll always be a great show. I show if you had .

to introduce someone to IT that you show them first. There's obvious ly the famous ones not that there's wrong with that. Uh master your own domain is any show you would say look at this one.

Well, I don't know. Probably something from seasons uh, four or five when we started to really get our stride. Um it's interesting to watch the show because is not that I do I don't really watch the show.

But when IT first started, IT was slow by comparison and the pay started to pick up, and IT became more. But IT just became snapper as he went along. Maybe the soup, not see, the soup note was a good.

I think the breast was one of my favorites. The best. Oh, really, that's the double thing.

I know there are so many the subway episode, but one of the things that's interesting is netflix really paid more than five hundred million dollars for the sign filled rights for five years. The contract started to twenty one. Did you see any of that money?

Not one cent.

okay. How do you feel about that?

fantastic.

I I, I I would love you to go on about that alone a glaser who was pretty critical about streaming services um what's your take? You're going into A I next for free just so you know but ahead good .

because I know nothing about IT. Might I look, I don't. Here's my take on all of this. I'm worried about the corporate zone of arts. And I am like, for example, this movie I made tuesdays with eight, twenty four, one of the very few, if not the last, remaining independent studio making unusual films.

I'm worried about that because it's now a lot of executives calling and they're always been these executives, but there they haven't been on top of each other like a layer cake. And i'm very worried about what that represents for good art outside the box because we're not making widget here. Um good ideas are often well first more they're hard to find and they I can tell you one thing they're not found by a corporation good art, artful ideas in my view yeah .

even though you're a network note, according to Jerry, find science felt that was very funny yeah that was funny was fantastic um but in twenty and twenty, you signed an overall deal with apple TV plus to develop new products as executive producer and actor. You've been produced on many of your shows. What does that mean exactly? And how does the deal defer from the ones you've cut over the .

past three decades? Well, first, I really like to I didn't produce tuesday, for example, but I do very much like to produce the work that I do because I just gives me more control over the product. And i've been doing this now long enough so that I think I have experience that's useful as a producer um and so that's important to me.

I am I no longer have to steal at apple. IT ran out. IT was finished. And you know to be honest with the mean, they're all perfectly nice, but nothing came out of IT and that was too bad, but just didn't, which is often in the case with the deal like.

yes, indeed. So what do you do now? Do you go bring your projects, your production company?

I don't even, even, even no, I don't I don't with the headache of that right now, I just don't I rather um do things on a case by case basis. I mean, i'm guessing, you know probably yes, I could have a production company. I can have I could be developing material for myself, for other people.

That's not something ultimately that excites me. It's too much. I don't need, uh, huge universe like that. I'm not oh, you're not going .

to rest with a spoon IT.

I'm not going to and this is not my way to discourage them in any in in any way. I'm just saying that's not who I am. I approach projects very specifically and that's how i'm good at. That's how I roll.

That's how I may ask what you're doing next.

I don't know. You've got to suck.

I just finished.

I just finished a marvel move.

Know why you're in the marvel movies. You you turn into a villa from what I am, from what he tells. Well, I not allowed .

say terrible as you know. Let me explain to anything. The marvel universe. If you're in IT, you have to sign an na every three and a half minutes. And so if I say anything to right now, a marvel executive will come and shoot me in the head as i'm, and possibly shoot you.

He can try. He can try. Yeah.

you'll take among good. I'll take among good. You are you? But anyway, I did wrap thunderbolts, and so that is that I have coming out next year. But ms, like, what are my shooting next?

I'm not sure I don't know. So let me two more, three more questions. Very quick politics.

You are a moderator at the twenty democratic convention. The very good jokes that something for apparently they cut. You can comment on that if you like.

IT was broadcast news to the tenth power doing that thing. I am here to tell you that was cool o bananas. IT was covered. The dnc talking to a comedy writers talking to, I mean, IT was nuts, fine. I ultimately I was delighted to have done IT.

although Terry, so what are you doing this? This go round. There's a camp. There's campaign happening.

President of really and who's running cara?

It's a rerun. I not like this, not like this. That could be worse. IT could be worse?

I don't know. Could IT be worse?

Yes, I just interviewed Alexander, cause you could test last week. And he was like, i'll be arrested like as if I was like, tuesday, speaking tuesday. yeah. And SHE quite mended. But are you, are you wanna involved politics?

I am involved. yeah. I mean, at this point, not specifically with convention, but I involved politically. I do a lot of work in down ballot races, in small races and state legislators and so on. And i'm continuing to do that really with a vengeance as we know .

what is the thing.

Now this is it's, it's a lifeline. I having to saving democrat. absolutely.

So I want to two more person at the end. I want to go back to tuesday and wiser in the end of the film. There's a question of whether heaven or god or the after life exists or not. And the bird says something amazing.

but there is an old life. The echo, you leave the legacy, your memory, this this is tuesday of the life and how you live. IT is how he loves. What do you think of that?

What's your echo besides an Oscar, obviously? And the Oscar goes to.

I don't my echo well i'm going to say something very polian is my echo is my my two boys and then being good human beings and good citizens um if they are, then I my echo is good and pure that's my answer period this other crap doesn't know yeah I escape .

that answered to someone they were surprised like good.

That's the only thing. Why would you be surprised? It's so a fundament. No, I was like, that's IT just of course, none of this other stuff is meaningful in the same was interesting.

but not not meaningful. You're right. The last question you start, every episode of your podcast is a story about your life.

I think you should continue to do that. I know you're private, but it's, I think IT resonate with people really, with me, certainly. Are you writing a member?

No, i'm not.

If you did, what would the title be?

The title would be, what should the title be? Question work.

That's the title. Okay, all right, I think you should.

I just like.

I like, I like, I like, I like IT. I like IT. Anyway, I thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate you, and I do hope you do in the Oscar might be nice, be nice.

so nice. I'm so happy to be on this to talk with you because I listen to your pocket frequently and so did. To actually have this conversation in debt.

Conversation with you has been really a delight for me. So thanks a lot. appreciate.

Thank you so much on .

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