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Say More - Esther Perel on Fantasy with Gillian Anderson

2024/11/18
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Esther Perel: 本书探讨了女性性幻想的意义和影响,性幻想不仅是性行为的脚本或增强剂,更能揭示我们内心深处的需求、愿望、恐惧和渴望,是表达我们内心深处情感需求的一种隐喻语言。性幻想有时与我们的良知、自我认知和价值观相悖,令人困惑。我们需要理解性幻想的意义,包括其文化背景以及我们是否想在现实生活中体验它们。性幻想可以帮助人们解决现实生活中难以解决的问题,例如缺乏自信或难以表达需求。性幻想是可以学习和培养的,探索性幻想就像在自助餐中选择食物一样,需要尝试和发现自己喜欢什么。性幻想是个人经历和文化想象力的结合,许多性幻想源于人们的个人经历,例如童年经历、初恋或创伤。性幻想超越了现实生活的限制和界限,包括自我形象、道德和意识形态等。性幻想的越轨性使其具有强大的力量,但我们并不一定想在现实生活中体验它们。性幻想的主要目的是增强兴奋、唤起和快感,可以帮助我们处理在生活中难以处理的情绪和体验。性幻想是一种游戏,理解其虚构性有助于缓解不适、羞耻、内疚和尴尬。婴儿期的愿望在性幻想中很常见,因为那时人们感到安全和被呵护。人们能够将婴儿期的需求、愿望和经验转化为性幻想的内容。性幻想是想象力的产物,它塑造了我们的性生活。性幻想可以增强性体验,并不一定需要付诸实践。匿名性能够帮助人们更自由地表达自己的性幻想。 Gillian Anderson: (由于访谈中Gillian Anderson 的发言没有像Esther Perel一样成段论述,这里仅以其观点进行概括) 作为一名演员,我发现将自己的性幻想写下来的过程比想象中更具挑战性,这让我更加敬佩其他女性分享自己故事的勇气。在性幻想中,女性是故事的作者、角色、编剧、表演者和导演,她们可以完全掌控自己的体验。 “强迫诱惑”的性幻想是一种巧妙的方式,让女性在无需宣称或承担责任的情况下体验快感。即使在性幻想中存在暴力,人们也能体验到快乐。如果性幻想与创伤的重演有关,则需要进行反思和探讨。需要区分性幻想是单纯的乐趣还是创伤的重演。长期关系中的性生活可能对女性而言缺乏吸引力,而BDSM活动则可以满足女性对关注和控制的需求。BDSM活动可以帮助女性重新获得对自身身体的掌控感。许多女性的性幻想都与专注于自身感受和避免对他人负责有关。性幻想可以帮助女性专注于自身感受,并体验到自由和自主感。性幻想为女性提供了一种体验自由和自主的脚本。绝经后,性幻想变得更加重要,因为性唤起可能不再来自身体,而是来自心灵和想象力。

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Why are sexual fantasies considered a coded language for our deepest emotional needs and wishes?

Sexual fantasies reveal truths about us that are hard to get at otherwise. They are not just sexual scripts or turn-ons but also reflect our emotional and psychological desires, fears, and aspirations. They can heal, repair, and transform, offering a unique window into our innermost selves.

Why is the gap between the permissible and the possible significant in the context of sexual fantasies?

The gap between the permissible and the possible highlights the tension between what society allows and what we privately desire. This gap can be a powerful catalyst for change, making it impossible to stay in one's comfort zone once it is recognized.

Why do fantasies often include feelings and experiences that are not easily processed in other parts of our lives?

Fantasies often include feelings and experiences like jealousy, possessiveness, revenge, and power exchange because they provide a safe space to explore and experience these emotions without the real-world consequences. This allows for a form of emotional and psychological release.

Why are infantile wishes prevalent in sexual fantasies?

Infantile wishes are prevalent in sexual fantasies because they are associated with a time of perceived security and comfort. Fantasies can eroticize these needs and experiences, turning them into sexually enhancing material that provides a sense of warmth, safety, and nurturing.

Why is anonymity important in sharing sexual fantasies, especially for women?

Anonymity provides a sense of freedom and safety, allowing individuals to share their most intimate and often taboo fantasies without fear of judgment or repercussions. It encourages honesty and openness, making it easier for people to reveal their true desires.

Why is it important to understand the pretend nature of sexual fantasies?

Understanding the pretend nature of sexual fantasies helps individuals manage discomfort, shame, and guilt. It emphasizes that fantasies are a form of play and imagination, not necessarily a desire to enact them in real life. This distinction is crucial for emotional well-being and self-acceptance.

Why do some women have violent fantasies, and how should they be interpreted?

Violent fantasies can be rooted in trauma or serve as a way to reclaim and transform past experiences. They often provide a sense of control and empowerment. It's important to distinguish between fantasies that are purely imaginative and those that may indicate a need for healing or further exploration.

Why is the concept of 'forced seduction' significant in women's sexual fantasies?

The concept of 'forced seduction' is significant because it allows women to experience pleasure and excitement without having to claim or own their sexual desires. Historically, women have had limited agency in expressing their sexual wants, and this fantasy provides a way to experience those desires through a narrative where they are not responsible.

Why do post-menopausal women sometimes turn to BDSM scenarios?

Post-menopausal women may turn to BDSM scenarios because they offer a sense of control and attention, which can be empowering. In long-term relationships, sexuality can become routine, and BDSM provides a way to focus on oneself and experience intense, attentive pleasure without the usual responsibilities.

Why is it important to teach boys about respect for women and relational intelligence?

Teaching boys about respect for women and relational intelligence is crucial for fostering healthy relationships and preventing harmful behaviors. It involves emphasizing the importance of mutual pleasure, communication, and understanding, and helping them develop a more nuanced and respectful approach to sexuality.

Shownotes Transcript

Recently, on Where Should We Begin, we've been focusing on the things we sweep under the rug in our relationships—conversations that we have a hard time having with ourselves let alone with others. Oftentimes, our sexual fantasies exist in this space and reveal us at our most bare, showing us not just what we want sexually, but what we want emotionally and psychologically. Even with a loving partner, it can be difficult to share our most personal sexual fantasies. There's often shame, stigma, and a fear of being judged. Award-winning actress, Gillian Anderson, joins Esther to discuss Want, her collection of women's anonymous fantasies from around the world.

To purchase Gillian Anderson's new book, Want: https://bit.ly/3O8CVcZ

If you have an individual question you would like to talk through with Esther, please send a voice memo to [email protected]. If you would like to apply for a couples session with Esther, please click here: https://bit.ly/40fGHIU.

Esther’s two new courses on desire are now available inside The Desire Bundle. Go to https://www.estherperel.com/course-bundles/the-desire-bundle to learn more about Bringing Desire Back and Playing with Desire.

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