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Glennon: Is it Insanity or Life?

2024/11/14
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Abby Wambach
两次奥林匹克金牌得主和一次FIFA世界杯冠军,国际比赛中最高进球记录保持者。
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Glennon Doyle
美国作家和女权活动家,著有多本畅销书,并创立了非营利组织Together Rising。
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Glennon Doyle: 本期播客探讨了精神健康与应对机制,以及如何在面对生活困境时保持理智。她将自己的人生经历比作在悬崖边行走,随时可能坠入缺乏控制、抑郁、压迫等组成的‘深渊’。过去,她通过饮食失调、酗酒等方式来‘紧握车把’,避免坠入深渊。但现在,她选择放手,拥抱‘深渊’,体验生活的全部。她认为‘深渊’并非疯狂,而是真实而完整的生命体验,是全然敞开心扉、接纳爱与恐惧、错误与一切的状态。虽然这个过程充满挑战和不适,但她相信自己能够克服。 Abby Wambach: Abby在对话中积极回应Glennon的分享,并给予支持和理解。她帮助Glennon理清思路,并指出Glennon目前的不适感源于她试图将‘悬崖’上的控制机制应用到‘深渊’中。她鼓励Glennon学习如何在‘深渊’中随波逐流,接纳生活的复杂性。 Amanda Doyle: Amanda也参与了讨论,并对Glennon的经历表示理解和支持。她与Abby一起帮助Glennon理清思路,并鼓励她继续探索自我。

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What is the 'abyss' that Glennon discusses, and how does it relate to her life?

The 'abyss' is a metaphorical space Glennon describes as the edge of a cliff with a deep, swirling, and sparkly sea of purple on the side. She has always felt like she's walking on this cliff, using various coping mechanisms to avoid falling into what she thought was insanity. Recently, she has come to realize that the abyss is not insanity but life itself, representing being fully human and present without protective barriers.

How did Glennon's perception of her child's soccer tournament reflect her internal state?

Glennon felt overwhelmed by the vulnerability and muchness of the soccer tournament, where parents' hopes, stresses, and love for their children were palpable. This experience mirrored her internal struggle with feeling overwhelmed by life's intensity and the muchness of being fully present and human.

What realization did Glennon have about her parenting as her children grew older?

Glennon realized that her need to control and protect her children was less about ensuring their happiness and more about her own fear of losing control. She felt relieved when she saw her son thriving with his friends, understanding that his belonging and joy could come from other sources beyond her immediate control.

How does Glennon describe the transition from being on the cliff to being in the abyss?

Glennon describes the transition as letting go of all her coping mechanisms and protective strategies, feeling like she has jumped off the cliff into the abyss. This new state is messier, more overwhelming, and confusing but also more real and alive, allowing her to metabolize all emotions and experiences fully.

What metaphor does Dr. Dan Siegel use to explain the balance between chaos and rigidity?

Dr. Dan Siegel uses the metaphor of a river with two banks: one representing chaos and the other rigidity. The goal is to find a balance in the flow of the river, where one is not too chaotic or too rigid, allowing for a flexible and adaptive life experience.

How does Glennon's experience with motion sickness relate to her broader life changes?

Glennon's motion sickness, which she attributes to early menopause, symbolizes her feeling of being out of control and overwhelmed, much like her transition into the abyss. It highlights her vulnerability and the physical manifestation of her emotional and psychological state.

What does Glennon believe is the key to reclaiming one's humanity?

Glennon believes the key is to identify and remove the barriers or walls that were built to protect oneself from threats in early life. These barriers often stem from cultural and familial norms that suppress certain aspects of human experience, and reclaiming one's humanity involves embracing and integrating these disallowed parts of oneself.

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Glennon introduces the concept of the abyss, comparing it to the cliff she has always felt she needed to stay on to avoid insanity.
  • The abyss is described as a swirly, purple, sparkly sea that has always called to Glennon.
  • Glennon's job has been to stay on the cliff, using various strategies to avoid falling into the abyss.
  • The abyss is now understood as life itself, not insanity.

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  1. Glennon: Is it Insanity or Life?

Glennon discusses an existential and emotional revelation with Abby and Amanda.

Discover: 

  • Diving into the abyss; what is the abyss and what does it mean? 

  • The time a child’s soccer triumph left Glennon in tears

  • Growing out of coping mechanisms

  • Metabolizing the “muchness” of being alive and big feelings

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