#2614 RHOC S18E18 Part One: Lawyer & Disorder
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Hello and welcome to Watch for Crappin's, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker. Joining me today, Ronnie Karam. Hi, Ronnie. How are you? Oh, hi. Ronnie currently is... We're both on Crappin's On Demand, which means that you can see us on video. You can see me in front of my virtual background. This is not my office, although I kind of wish it were. And Ronnie has some living art behind him. What?

which appears to be a silhouette, a silhouette of a person moving around behind your head.

I'm just kind of sexually harassing him as this goes along and pinching his little butt back there. So if you see me just kind of reach behind my head to pinch a butt, it's because cute guy's little butts behind me. What a show. Also, I was like, please, I'm working right now. You can't work up here. And he's like, oh, I'm going to be very quiet. I'm not doing any machinery. So listen, that's him being quiet. Now instead of going, who, who, it's like.

It reminds me of the early 2000s, how Crunch Gym had all the showers at Crunch Gym were frosted glass, and you could see people showering while you worked out in the cardio spruce. Yes, that's when I used to go there. I used to love it. It was like a Skinamax movie, that design of the bathroom. Yeah.

Yeah, that was like, well, I wasn't even a member there, but it was just like such a famous thing that everyone would talk about that. Oh yeah, he's bending over now. Oh, Ronnie, Ronnie, inappropriate, inappropriate. It's actually harassing your hired worker right now. It's okay when it's simulated, right? It's okay when it's just a shadow. I'm very respectful in real life. Yeah. So I'll tell you where we will not be very respectful. It's probably going to be right here on this podcast in a few minutes. Oh no, I'm ready to pop.

Yeah, you know what? It's been a long, dramatic week in the world. And I woke up today and I am ready to burst. And I'm afraid it's going to come out

violently today on this podcast in this recap of the orange county reunion um which was it had me seeing red okay i vote blue but i see red okay and that was this reunion wow wow you know orange county they always they always know how to make our blood pressure just rise for a reunion am i right

You're right. You know, this Heather and Emily, what monsters, what horrible human beings. And we've always known it. You know, Emily, you add nothing but giving other people shit. Do something in your own life. Go cry about your fucking mother somewhere else. Like, I'm so over you. Because now we have to sit through a segment of Emily crying about, you know, being a size 12 and her mom. You know, the next part of it is that, you know, after she's an absolute fucking monster in this episode. Fuck you, lady, you know? And...

Fix your face. You did it wrong this time. And Heather, with your fucking constant frown, you deserve the face that you have, ma'am. That constant, sad, disgusting frown with your wires hanging all out. That's what you deserve. You did that to yourself. You're a horrible human being, Heather. Horrible human being. And so, Heather, you fucking monster. You live off your fucking in-laws. How dare you come sit here and judge someone else the whole time? And when you keep saying, oh, I'm a lawyer. You're a cop.

copyright attorney get the fuck out of here okay i thought she was a family attorney either way she does copyright and family law but she's not a criminal lawyer and and also saying oh the police wouldn't lie the police are lying yeah that was really you work at the innocence project you're basing your whole storyline on the fact that innocent that police lie get the fuck out of here emily

Yeah, that drove me absolutely nuts. Emily was hot to go on so many things. I'm like, why are you so hot on this right now? And then Heather was so...

so evil. I mean, I was amused. Like, you know me, I am, there are aspects of Heather that really amuse me because it's so, she's so evil that I just like laugh. Like when she goes, I'm speaking, I am still speaking. It's still my turn. Still speaking. It is me. I'm like, it's so obnoxious that I laugh because I'm just like, oh my God, she's so Heather. But like, I really felt like the whole thing

when it came time for Katie telling her story and then Heather is basically like, no, this man said you followed him to his house. And like, she's like,

Heather's like blindly taking the side of the cops and this guy who did this versus Katie. And I just think that it felt actually quite problematic to me. I did not like that whatsoever. And I was like, wow, this is just a real dick moment from that side. That entire side of the reunion was half of the set.

Really? I can't believe Tamara performed the best out of the three of those people. How did Tamara have a better reunion than everyone else sitting next to her? Tamara came in manic depressive mode because she has been getting slammed so hard this whole season. I mean, she was so depressed. She did that facelift thing. She can't move. I mean, this is the thing. And when I say, by the way, fix your face, Emily, I mean, Emily's a gorgeous woman, but the plastic surgery has gone so overboard, she can't even move. So she looks so nasty when she's being so nasty.

And then you've got Tamra, who's only thing that moved the entire...

And she was at anyone and call them a C word today. You know, like we came into this reunion exactly the same, me and Tamara and Tamara didn't do it. She didn't scream. And it's like, okay, but you're also boring now. So like you, no, no, no. Deborah is a professional villain. And one of her greatest skills is she knows how to, she knows how to calibrate and she's had just a flat,

outwretched season. And so when she has a season, when she has like a real big Tamra villain season, because we know that they come every few years. We're in the middle of one.

She always comes back and try like, I'm sorry. I just, I was hurt. I just was like, the reason why I was hurt is because I was hurt. Like, that's all. I just was ready to say what I said. I didn't say it. The delivery wasn't good, but I was hurt. That's it. And like, yeah. So she's like, she's just doing her classic Tamara pivot. Her face is completely frozen at this point. I mean, it really was like going to the hall of presidents and just like watching her, you know, tell us about like the pledge of allegiance. Yeah.

Well, in the Hall of Presidents, too, it's like they froze him too late. It's like, too late! You know, it's like when people in vampire shows become a vampire too late. You know, and they're like, why couldn't you make me a vampire when I used to work out and I was 20? I know. No, I look like Jeremy Irons. Four scones seven years ago, you were still a bitch bitch and an alcoholic. How did you get me in Abraham Lincoln mode, goddammit?

Um, four hearts and 27 scores of horse gold, bitch. Mr. Gorbachev, bitch. I'm gonna sign the declaration of your husband's a fucking loser and a criminal, bitch. The only... He's shining behind the wheel, bitch.

All right. Well, let's get into it because, you know, there's our base. There's where we're starting from today. Oh, someone was asking, this is just a quick custodial question. Someone was asking why, I don't know what that means. Love custodians. Hey, custodians out there. It's crap. It's custodial time.

Just a quick, what do you call it? Like office keeping? Housekeeping. I don't know what I'm saying. Housekeeping. No, don't say maid. A quick maid thing. Oh, you're going to hell. Okay, quick housekeeping note. Crappins, we are posting episodes a little bit later these days. There's a couple reasons. One is we have a brilliant team of notetakers who is working with us now. You guys are doing such a great job for us. Today is Nadine. Nadine, we love you. You do such a good job. They get their stuff in on time.

all the time really uh so it's not their fault it's just that they don't have access to bravo screeners uh because that's illegal that is illegal for us to do and we're not gen aiden so we don't we don't give them to it to them yeah so they're a little bit later and also we work with an editor and sound

producer these days named Christina. If you guys didn't know Christina, hi, Christina. We love Christina. She does a great job. And Christina actually sits and listens to the shows after we turn them in. So we record at 10 AM in the morning, every morning. So we're not done that late. It just takes, you know, it takes a long process now because it's not just us two monkeys pressing buttons. There are other monkeys here.

Yeah, we're just trying to make it a better show and also a smoother experience for everyone involved. So we thank you for your patience for waiting a few hours. But, you know, that's more time to just get your rage going, right? Like, that's time to, like, really let it get brewing, you know? Yeah, because a couple of...

A couple of the guesses were, well, maybe it's Rodney's house being under construction or something. Nope. We literally will record, as you see, somebody is grinding on a window behind me. We don't care. We're not that professional. Okay. Yeah. He's probably wondering why he's getting a boner the way that I keep pinching him while he's back there with my finger.

shadow pinching him or whatever. So anyway, I just wanted to let people know that's what's going on. And thank you to our team because I was about to say, thanks. We have a, we really have a great team that we've built up. We used to do this show, just the two of us, only the two of us up until last October or so. And that's when Christina came on board. We also have Caitlin doing our social. We have Colleen who's like sort of wrangles all of our note takers together. So really appreciate everyone who's helped, who helps us out.

Thank you for not being like Tamara, having family. Yeah, thank you, guys. Thank you for being the Jen Pedrantes of this show. Who would have thought that we were going to have a little moment of staff appreciation? Well, we don't really go into that stuff a lot on this show, but just so everyone knows what's going on. A lot of changes. Okay, so here we go.

Real Housewives of Orange County Season 18 Reunion Part 1. Tonight, the three-part reunion of the Real Housewives of Orange County. I have children. I'm a father. So they all step out of their SCVs. They're all showing up. And it's like one of these things where there's like previews, but we're also seeing them get into glam and everything. And we see lots of stuff and everything. So now, okay, we...

We now sit down and, by the way, the Orange County set has become my favorite set. I loved last season. I love this season where they just have the entire background is like one big projection of the ocean. And it's like a video projection. It's just so good. And when you look at like whatever strange like Monsters, Inc. Disney ride they do for Salt Lake City, like it's just such a step up for Orange County.

You know, I hate to start this disagreeing right off the bat. I don't like it. It's very Star Wars for me because that's how they shoot all the new Star Wars things. They just shoot them all on a big screen. It's just weird. I don't like it. I mean, you've already got Tamra and Emily's faces at this point. We've got enough Star Wars bar going on. I don't need the whole set. You know what I mean? I was going to say, as long as Tamra's face is as glossy as a stormtrooper helmet, you might as well just make it all the way Star Wars.

By the way, I know it's so problematic to make fun of faces. It's just the crafting of it. You know what I mean? It's not ugly or anything like that. I'm just saying, we're talking hobby lobby criticisms at this point. It's just like, do better crafting. So Andy is like, welcome back.

I'm Andy Cohen. We're high atop the hills of Orange County, or at least pretending we are, and congratulations are in order. Kelly Dodd is leaning over the balcony, throwing water balloons at people and calling them immigrants. So that's been fun.

Your season marked the 100th season of the Real Housewives franchise, so muscle. Shannon, what are you... I'm sorry, I'm just... I think that's John Jansen's son out there on the beach. Hi! Hi! Uh, Shannon, it's actually a projection. Oh. Well, that explains why he's not responding to me, not that he ever did when I was in a healthy relationship with John. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

So, Tamara, last time I saw you, you looked like a crumpled up paper bag that had been covered in wax and then thrown into fire again on Instagram. She's like, yeah, I got a little different now. Can we get an interpreter? And then we cut, for some reason, this was some really strange NBC Universal synergy. Then we just started watching E.T. And I was like, why are they showing clips of E.T. right now?

I'm like, girl, the bike baskets are dangerous, too. Get strapped in. E-camera phone, Eddie.

She's like, he said, well, what happened to you, Tamara? And are you happy with the results? As if he's not one of the people propping up impossible beauty standards to uphold on his network. He's like, what? What are you doing over there? So she's like, well, I had a CO2 laser. I had a blue pill. I had a brown lift. I had a blue job. I had my elbows redone. I had my weenus moved up to my neck.

I had my waddle moved to the back of my neck, and I had toenail transplants into my eyelashes, which is why my eyelashes kind of clink every time I open the club. My neck! And then when all that was done, I just got trapped in a burning building. So... Turns out it's not a good idea to try to recreate Backdraft. What?

And he's like, girl. And she's like, whatever. It was just a week of healing or whatever. Yeah, but the healing may have been a week. The internet is forever. You know what I mean? I know. You're going to be Googling yourself in 20 years and that's what shit you're going to see. I hope it was 20% off or whatever you got.

I was shocked when she did this because we went on to Two Teas in a Pod like five days later. And we just kept on leading up to our recording session. We just kept seeing all these videos of Tamra looking like she literally just came out of a blazing inferno. And I'm like, how is she going to record with us? And then we got on Zoom and she just looked like regular old Tamra. I was like, what witchcraft is happening over there in Orange County? And we asked her flat out. I was like, how are you looking like this? She's like, I don't know.

I've got staples up here and I've got dispo tea and I've got... Jesus. There is literal puppetry happening over there. I haven't seen The Substance, but I feel like I'm watching it right with her. The Substance.

I like when people are like, Andy, I noticed you don't get Botox. Which, by the way, is so rude to say to somebody. Seriously, who says that? But they constantly ask him, how are the housewives? He's like, oh, I don't believe in that. I don't get Botox. The privilege, you know what I mean? In saying that, when you're the head of all the real housewives. Speaking of, God, I really need to get in there.

My face is moving so much, it's depressing. I feel like a crap. I have a line right here that I've had forever, but I'm just sort of like, I think it's my line. No, I watch this show and I'm like, why is my face moving? Tamra can't move the bottom of her chin. She can only move her chin. I want to be that. I may make fun of it, but I want it. I want it. I want it. You can make catalogs.

Like, her face is so frozen right now. And I'm saying this because I know it will start to move again, but this is just what happens. Yeah, it takes time. It's literally like Senior Wences. Like, you know when you do a hand puppet? It's like the only thing that moves is the thumb. And that's literally what she looks like, a little fist puppet. Yeah.

So much of it is timing because it really does take time to get your face moving again. So like Emily's going to look gorgeous once she's done. She'll be back because she is gorgeous. She'll be back to looking gorgeous. It just takes time. You guys have to time these things. You don't do it right before the reunion. You're not new.

Do what Shannon does. Shannon does it immediately after the reunion is filmed. Shannon goes into a crypt. I don't know what the fuck Shannon did. Shannon had something happening also. Let's not let her. There were some fillers that got filled into those cheeks for this. Because she was looking like a piñata or something in the face. I mean, she looks great. I'm just saying. Everything was like, bloop, bloop.

I was like, I felt like if you just like touched her face, like tootsie rolls would come out. It was just, there was a lot going on in there. Um, but you know, they all do it. They all do it for ahead of the reunion. Um, but I think that would be the,

Every time this happens, we're always like, "Don't do it just before the reunion." But I think the timing is like, it's not great for the reunion, but then it settles in by the time the next season starts to film. And that's, you want to make sure everything's good to go before filming. Unless you're Vicki Gunvalson, in which case you do it like two days before. Yeah, exactly. Or while it's going on, you know. Are you busy? I'm kidding, Phyllis. Be quiet. Get a job. Seriously.

So then she goes over what she's got done and then we move on to Emily.

And he's like, you know, you're still working out seven days a week. And she's like, well, you know what? I listened in a little. I'm not obsessed. Okay. Calm down. And so then the big question is Shane in the gym too. And Shane is in a gym once a week because Emily hired a personal trainer. I'm assuming Perry's paying for it. That, um,

Who Shane is using to go to the gym. And then we see Shane running on a treadmill. You know, that once a week is going to make a huge difference. Good for you.

So then Andy's like, all right, Heather, what's happening construction-wise on the new home? She's like, oh my God, it's a disaster. Like Wendy Malick's career after 1997. Am I right? So Andy's like, he's like, really? Oh yeah. You know, we're like, you know, you know how we talk about our construction things, how it's like,

Twice the time, twice the budget. You know, sort of like also how they talked about how they renovated Tamara's face. Well, we're sort of in that land. Do you ever plan on having anything else going on in your life? I don't. I don't. Spending money. That's pretty much it. So then we go to Gina. Speaking of real estate, Gina, do you ever face on any bus benches? I mean, we all know you're on a lot of buses. Yeah.

Thanks, Andy. It's actually been wonderful. It's been so wonderful that I almost feel bad. But, like, I have to say, like, we're really getting some traction. I just closed on a house last week. It's basically, it's an outhouse. It's literally just like a port-a-potty, but I sold it, and I have another deal closing on Monday. Great! No one cares. Katie, welcome to your first reunion. You're about to get eaten like a lunch. Like a delicious lunch.

meet lunch for non-oc cast members anyway and she's like hi yeah did something offer you any advice uh no we didn't talk in a couple of weeks so no i'm just uh last thing i saw from her was um her just saying good luck you're gonna get destroyed so uh we'll see what happens you're about to die figuratively don't worry maybe literally but you know at least figuratively it

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crystal blue water escape that will leave you feeling Giovanni, baby. So save yourself the stress and headache of planning a vacation and instead book a rejuvenating trip at Aruba.com. Jen, congratulations on getting engaged to plugs. And she's like, oh, wow. Thank you. Thank you so much. That's amazing. Thank you, Andy. I am getting engaged. Oh, thank you. It's so good to be here. It really is.

And finally, hello, Shannon Storms Bedore. Hello, Andy. How are you? I'm good. Well, you're looking happy and healthy today. Thank you. I'm feeling very happy considering that my life has been turned upside down by Johnny J. No, I'm okay. I'm okay.

I just want to say I've been therapized and I'm ready to come into this reunion not upset at Tamara Judge at all. How dare you? But we're going to have a great time. I'm really excited to be here. I mean, Shannon is just ready to start yelling and screaming.

Yes. And, and she's, so the thing that's funny is that like, so like I said, her face is puffed up, which is, you know, it's fine. It's fillers and they go down, but there was like freshly puffed up and her hair is down on her face and her dress is like up to like her clavicle. So there's something about her that's just like, like, it's just sort of like,

Everything is tight around her and bursting out at the same time. And there's just like... You can tell this is a woman who just wants to scream her head off right now. She is ready to scream her damn head off for sure.

So then he's like, wow, okay. You might be dating, I hear. It's like, oh, I am dating a little. I am dating a little. I'm being helped by my good friend, Joel Kim Booster. We are so close. We are just so close. It's been such a good couple of months, Andy. You know, there's a reason why his last name is Booster, because he makes you feel so good, he just boosts you right up.

Yeah, I feel great ever since he trashed my reputation. Yet again, another man in my life trying to ruin me. I'm fine. I'm happy. I'm totally happy. I'm happy.

So, Tamara, you mentioned going to a therapist. She's like, yeah, yeah, mm-hmm, yeah, that's true, Andy. Well, that's interesting. So what are your goals with this therapist? Is it to ruin their life? And she's like, no, Andy, it's to find out where the anger stems from, where it's coming from, deep inside me. Here's what I know, Andy. Someone drops toothpicks, and I start counting them very rapidly, over and over,

And then I called Tom Cruise and I said, you're my brother. Where the fuck are you supposed to pick me up in the convertible and take me to Las Vegas, bitch? So, by the way, Tamara is setting up her next season, which is Tamara in Therapy, which will be hilarious. It'll be like, all right, Tamara, I want you to close your eyes. Okay. All right. Take us back. Take us back to where the pain began. It was 1987. I walked into a blockbuster. I thought I saw Jon Bon Jovi, but it was just a brew. And I got so sad. The hurt began there. It began there.

Right when I thought it was all going to be okay, I went to rent my video. I said, "I'll take Pretty in Pink, please." And they said, "That's only available on VHS." I said, "Why? Why haven't they asked?" I said, "I want a real movie called Some Kind of Wonderfulness, and you're some kind of slut." I said, "Hey!" And I ran out. I like that they actually gave her a real reason.

They just bashed her for no reason. She's just like a teenager trying to rent a video at Blockbuster and someone was awful and that's what caused Tamara to be this monster. Actually, she does have a reason. So,

So I just can't wait until Tamara's on the spectrum episode, you know, her on the spectrum season, because that sits so low even for Tamara. But for those of you who haven't heard, Tamara announced that she went to therapy one time and then announced that she is now on the spectrum. Yeah.

So Andy is like... It's funny because it's obviously bullshit, but God, I can't wait to see her commit to that for a season. It will be pretty hilarious. So Andy then turns to Shannon. It's like, well, how do you take what Tamara just said? And she's like, well, I mean, the way I was treated by you, Tamara, this season is unacceptable. You attacked me, and I really don't have an interest in being friends with you because what I am doing in my therapy is I'm creating a healthy boundary with healthy choices...

with some smart balance mixed in. It's a delicious spread. It's butter-like, but without being butter. Olive oil-based. It is healthy and a boundary. And a healthy boundary is not being in a toxic relationship with you, Tamara. A toxic, toxic...

She's saying that our entire friendship was toxic? Is that what she's saying? No, she didn't do that. I love that Tamara, like she can't even have a slight disagreement without twisting your words against you, you know? Oh, so you're saying everything was toxic? No, she didn't say that, Tamara. Well, absolutely! I am saying that because you said I'm saying it, so I will double down on it, especially when you came back on the show. We never, we never got back to the point of friendship that we were before, Tamara. Never. We never did. I thought we did.

So, oh, oh, well, so you keep on exaggerating how close and how often we spend time together because we weren't that close. Well, let me tell you something, Tamara. Uh, Shannon, what are you doing? I'm trying to sing the song Toxic. I'm not sure if I really landed that or not, but...

This must be a funny moment on Shannon. It's by my favorite artist, Brittany Schmeers. I left her on bagels. Okay. Well, I think we're pretty close. You call me every day, Shannon. Every single day. Well, she's saying she wants to try today to take toxicity out of your relationship. So we'll see. A lot of open wounds here. A lot of open wounds, Andy. I'm just saying a lot of open wounds.

And she's doing the full, like, stirring two pools with whatever it is. Like, what? Hold on. Excuse me, Gina, do you know, does Britney Spears have a song about open wounds as well? I don't think so. Okay, well. Here's what I would like, an open bagel. Have you ever tried to eat one of those things not open? Very difficult. Okay.

I feel me, Ollie. So...

You know what? You know what I like a bagel? Because it's like you're eating a whole slice of bread, but there's a hole in it, which represents the pain in my life. Okay, great. Sounds like therapy is going really well. Jen, what's your intention for today? Thank you so much. So I hope an intention that I have really is for Emily and I to set forward a better path because she's sitting in front of me, which means that we're, I guess we're having a feud. So I hope our intention, my intention is that we get through it.

Well, I don't think that anything happened. So, you know, you're really... You don't think anything happened? You spent the whole season calling her poor and stupid and screaming at her. Emily, what are you talking about? And now you're about to spend the rest of the reunion doing the same thing. She's like, shut up, Emily. So she's like, no, nothing happened, but you're just reserved with me and I don't understand that. I mean, I just don't know if it's you or if it's Ryan telling you that you should not be friendly with me, maybe because I'm an attorney.

That's so rude and such a rude thing to say when somebody is trying to be nice to you and start something else. To be like, oh, I guess everybody's afraid of me because I'm an attorney. Give me a fucking break. What is wrong with you? What is wrong with this person? Yeah. I mean, Emily was vicious to Jen all season until she realized that she had to be nice to Jen because they were bigger fish to fry and she needed to gain allies. Yeah.

Also, I don't believe that – no, I don't think she's lying about working for the Innocence Project, but I just think she's such a faker because normally people like Emily would be looking for the defense. Like, if I was somebody who was having trouble with the law, I would actually be looking towards Emily. Like, I would want to know Emily. So why would I be afraid that you're an attorney? You're an attorney that works with the California Innocence Project. I'd actually –

My first response would be like, can we call Emily? Maybe she can help get me off of this shit. I think her implication is that Ryan's in trouble with the law, so he doesn't want to deal with any lawyers or a trigger point for him. It is, and that's just Emily. She's been wanting to go after fucking Jen this whole season, and now the first second she gets something to chew on, there she is, a-chewin'.

Yeah. So Jen's like, you know what? Ryan will give me his opinion and also, you know, a monthly allowance. But Ryan never tells me how to act or not to react as somebody. Even if he did, I would still do what I want to do. And I felt the same way you feel. You know, if I felt the same way you feel that there is something going on and I was like, but there is not. I think that, like, I think that. Okay.

All right. Well, I'm already bored by whatever feud this is that we were sort of tracking, but not really. So how about we do something else? Anyone else have anything to say besides these two dummies? It's pretty amazing that after all these seasons, Emily still doesn't know how a reunion works. Pretty good. All right. Heather, she's like, I hope to walk out of... Oh, no. First, he starts with Katie. He's like, so Katie? And Katie's like, oh, gosh, I just...

I want to like own a couple of things here that I did that I regret and I want to move forward with that okay Heather and Heather goes I have to walk out of here with almost everyone as friends yeah everyone that I don't hatey

all right well after making headlines for her dy rest just 10 days after last year's reunion shannon started the season under a microscope and as she vowed to work on herself most of the friends were rooting for shannon for the shannon reboot but her ex amiga tamra felt like she was watching reruns of the same old show okay let's watch this friendship fall apart

And then it's just drinking. Yeah. Just drinking stuff, you know. And it crashes into a house. Did we ever hear from the owner of that house? Did that ever happen or no? No. I think they did do some kind of little interview or something, but I don't think they put it on the show. They were like, ouch, my house. Yeah.

Um, so then Shannon, you know, we just see Shannon drinking all over here and ordering drinks and then Tamara giving her dirty looks and then Tamara calling her an alcoholic and then Tamara having lunch and talking about Shannon's drinking and then drinking, drinking, drinking. So then Tamara's, uh, Tamara's last line was, I'm not going to enable Shannon cause I'm not that type of friend. Stop fucking drinking. Get out or else I'm done with this relationship.

She says before she loses her mind because she's drunk half the other half of the season. All right. Well, I guess it's probably safe to say you two have not spoken since finale night. And Shannon's like, well, what's going to be difficult about today is that I am at a place where I don't feel I have to keep defending myself. And that place is called Joanne Fabrics. It's a lovely place. No judgments. You can walk and walk and walk and find new things to look at.

I do not use alcohol to cope. I use it to hope. Is that so bad? All right. So what is your drinking like now versus what it was before? Well, before I would just keep going. And that was before. And I would just drink because I didn't feel good on the inside. And it would make me forget that sort of thing. Okay. And now you drink because you don't drink as much. I still feel terrible about myself.

And I still drink a lot. But now in the morning I say, no, I stopped on my own. So it's great. So Shannon is so Shannon. I do not drink to cope. Why do you drink? To cope. Because things are really different. I just drink when I can't take it anymore. He's like, oh, okay. But much better answer. Much better than that.

I don't self-medicate. I actually ask a doctor if I can medicate, so it's not self. And he says, go ahead. I mean, is it Doc Martens? Is it a pair of shoes? Perhaps, but that's okay. It's still a doctor. I don't medicate myself. Don Julio medicates me just fine. Thank you very much.

So Andy's like, so Heather, you seem to agree with Tamara. Heather, are you okay? You've got a huge frown on your face like you've been smelling farts for the past 20 years. It's my face, Andy. No frown here. Only a smile. I mean, when we heard about the DUI, my turn to talk. I don't think anyone was interrupting you. My turn. When we heard about what your number was, and it was so high, my turn.

Like Terry was saying, as a doctor, it's me. How high was that? That was very concerning. Oh, it got out of control. She was saying that it got out of control. So she admitted that. My turn. Someone that can be awake at that blood alcohol level is someone, me, me, my turn, that drinks a lot. And that's where I was coming from.

Yeah, it's called the high tolerance. We understand what that is. You don't have to be a doctor to do that. I love that every chance you get, she's like, wow.

You know, Terry's a doctor. Yeah, we know. We've seen his face. Okay. So Andy's like, Christine from the car that tried to kill people in a Stephen King movie said, Gina. Wow. Christine from Christine. So close, man.

It's an awkward one. Twitter names are crazy. Gina, why do you have sympathy for Shannon after all the crap she's done about your DUI? And she brought your kids into the mix. And she fled the scene of an accident. And Jesus Christ, how much air time is Christine the car getting? It's a lot.

All right, people, keep your questions to 115 characters. So Gina's like, well, I don't think that's all she said. I think she was actually pretty transparent about what she did and her remorse for what she did. And at some point, you know, I made the same mistake. Look, I'll put it simply. She was just so pathetic. I felt bad for her. I feel bad. Like if I can feel bad for someone, I'm going to feel bad. And that's what happened.

And Emily's like, I witnessed it. It was genuine. She was truly her and she was sobbing. Why are you so mad? Why is Emily yelling through this entire? Why are you acting like you're an inherit the wind? Like, oh, I saw it all. Relax. I mean, even though you probably literally will inherit the wind. God damn it. I need to find a Perry in my life.

I don't know why that was the courtroom drama I went to. So Heather is like, I used up Matlock and I think that's the only thing like on our current nimes. I was like, it's that or like liar, liar.

So Heather is saying like, sometimes it takes a thing like that for you to realize. And Gina's like, yeah, I think it's just like, hold on for Tamron because she wasn't seeing that. No, I wasn't. But I see it like, you know, I saw Shannon. Shannon saw your BravoCon after you had a DUI. And we had a holiday luncheon that I had to put together. And she didn't apologize to you then, but she did apologize to you on camera. So...

Oh, you mean like you're doing right now? Like you're going to be doing right now? Exactly. So Gina's like, yeah, well, maybe I wasn't there yet either because I wasn't even looking in her direction at that lunch. You know, I was pretty pissed off. So it's not like I'm some angel, okay? Yeah, actually, you actually posted a picture. Oh, yeah, you posted a picture without me in it. You may remember that you cut me out of –

out of your picture. I think someone told me that you put a filter into your Canva that's an anti-Shannon filter and just replaces me with a large bag of Frito-Lays. Thank you for that.

How many times has David downloaded that? I'd like to know. So Gina's like, yeah, you know, sorry. And then was like, could I just say something? I felt like the constant calling her an alcoholic was so counterproductive. I mean, you don't bully someone into not drinking. Okay. You know, when you, Shannon has to determine she's a mess.

Listen, you don't bully someone into not drinking. You bully someone into acknowledging that they are a criminal and should go away to jail for 15 years. That's all. Yeah. So then everyone kind of agrees on that. And then we see Tamra and Gina talking over each other. And because Shannon's like, look at me. Look at where I am today. Dressed like a first lady. So...

I don't know. I love that Shannon keeps saying that. Look at where I am today. Where are you? You're still near tears and erratic, just like you are every season. I mean, it's reunion season. Where are you supposed to be today? I guess that's my question. What are we supposed to be seeing, Shannon?

All right, we got another question. This is Tamara. Christine. This is another Christine, but this one is from the Paris Opera House. She says, help, I'm stuck in a river with a guy with a mask. Okay, good luck. And then she also says, why do you feel like mocking and berating Shannon is going to make her stop drinking? Also, please save me. And does anyone have a spare chandelier? She has a lot of questions. You know, looking back, God, why does my face look so different in my right eye?

And I, you know, that stuff, that was just coming from anger, you know? Because I was just, I just knew that would upset her in the argument. And I was just angry because she's an alcoholic, you know? The anger's me. You know, Tamara, do you know what you did, Tamara? I said I was there every single day. You said you were there every single day after her accident. And you know what? You were not. You were not, Tamara. You know what? I'm going to plug this out.

you, Tamara, you were in Scotland. You left the day after my DUI. And then they put, like, Tamara's picture from the Traders in the middle of the screen. Like, we don't really need to know the context of why she was in Scotland, but NBC is like, don't forget, Traders coming back January 9th.

She's like, wait a minute, I only lasted on that show for about two hours. What are you talking about? And then, and then, and then I did get help. I went to a place for 30 days. And you have the audacity, the audacity at Gina's dinner to say, lie, lie, lie. Lie.

Flashback. Hey, by the way, where is your phone call after I was murdered? I was literally murdered. I'm a murdered person. I'm a ghost right now. You never called me and I was murdered. How can you yell at someone who can't even turn a doorknob anymore? I'm an on the spectrum ghost.

I tried to go join the cast of Ghosts and they said, no, we can't take you because you're too bitchy.

So then she's like, well, Tamara, I went to, I went, oh, she goes, oh, it's because you called me drunk several times, that's why. And one time you called me drunk and you went off like a crazy woman. And then you called me 10 minutes later and you had the exact same conversation with me. And Shannon's like, Tamara, I went to a place where they did random drug and alcohol. Yeah, but Shannon, you're kind of losing this one.

I don't think, and here's the thing. I mean, we love Shannon. I don't think anyone in the audience doubts all this. Shannon calls people 24 hours drunk, out of her mind, acting like a crazy person. It's just how you confront it, Tamara, that's wrong. I don't know. Because you know it's all true. Because Shannon's like, well, wait a minute, because it was random. Yeah, but that was before. She's saying when you got out of there, you were still calling everybody wasted all the time, Shannon. Yeah.

Shannon, they found you wasted in the aisles of Joanne Fabric, so stop acting like you went to rehab. Well, it was a very rehabilitating experience for me to be around all that yarn. Okay, well, shut up. She goes, Tamra, Tamra, you know what? You don't know anything about me. All right, all right, let me ask you this. Tamra, what you're saying is I think she's got a real problem, and she needs to deal with it, and she feels like she's dealt with it, and she's got it under control. And at what point do you just say, Tamra,

Go with God. I think that was like season 11 when I got my baptism. Yeah, I'm the one who goes with God. God's my friend. Stupid. No, I understand that, but we're like not close right now. So I don't know where she's at. And this is the 10th reunion that we are talking about her drinking batch. She's like, well, excuse me, but it's not that we're talking. It's because you have brought it up every single year, Tamara. And then we see...

The most amazing montage. This is so funny. Flashback from multiple reunions. And they just start popping up all over the screen. 2014, you tell everyone I have a drinking problem. You do drink a lot, Shannon. 2016, I either had too much to drink or I was slipped something. 2018, she's self-medicated to tell I'm not an alcoholic.

2019. Are you drunk? You're drunk? I am sick and tired of people trying to pick me out to be a drunk. Could you please, do we have any tequila and soda? Thank you. 2020. You called me completely lit up, Sheenie. Oh, okay, Miss Holier-than-thou. 2023. You tend to drink and call some of us. Oh, that's a fucking dumb thing to say to me.

That was being nice to her because they could have played many more. They skipped 2015. They skipped 2017. They skipped 2021 and 2022. I mean, they could have really gone to town. But I mean, I guess, you know, we only have so much time. They ran out of space on the screen. They were trying to make a little mosaic.

Sandy's like, well, my recollection last reunion was that it wasn't just Tamara who was talking about your relationship with alcohol. Because I, yes, yes, that's exactly right. And I got a DUI 10 days later because I was freaking miserable when we filmed that reunion last year. So thanks a lot, Gina, for putting me in a dark place. Oh, wow, Gina won the reunion. Well, guess what you won? Not having a DUI again because that was me. Commercials, here comes one right now.

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Andy's like, okay, well, Christine from Baranski wants to know, Shannon, you and Heather met at the beginning of the season and talked about rebuilding trust in your friendship. Where are you at now? Do you trust each other? Yeah, she totally trusts Heather, Andy. Good question. Who doesn't trust Heather? Heather, trustworthy old Heather over there. So she's like, well, I... Someone slap Shannon on the back of the back, please. Yeah.

I have a real problem. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Although now my breath shelf is out of alignment. But I have a real problem with what happened at the end of the season. Because when I told you the story, Heather, in Sonoma, you were like, oh, Shannon. And then we see the clip and Heather literally goes, oh, Shannon.

And then you tell me in London, oh, I already knew that story. Oh, wow. It was like, well, bravo then for the acting. You acted like you'd never heard the story before. That's what you said to me. And it's like, well, it's different having someone tell you a story third hand and then the person that was involved in it tell you. I knew that Tamara told me that she'd seen that photo before. I'd never seen. You know, it was very different. So you know what? No, bravo. You don't have to add that to my

IMDb. I was feeling horrible for you. I just didn't discuss it with anyone until I saw Jeff Lewis when I found out you were a liar. Well, if you watch those clips on Jeff Lewis, I was exhausted. I had been drinking for hours at that point. And in my head, I was saying I hadn't thought about it because Jeff is that person. He called me two weeks after my DUI and said, did you hear it? And I'm the one that said I hadn't versus haven't. Ha!

There, there, there's the smoking gun. I said, heaven versus heaven. And I never thought about John possibly hearing my accident until Jeff pointed it out to me. I'm like, I don't follow any of this. Shannon better never murder anybody because she's going to jail. Like she is so bad at this.

All she has to say is, I didn't want to talk about it with Jeff, so I was just trying to brush it off. Okay? Yeah. She's like trying to mince words. Like, well, I said had and not haven't. I said hadn't and not haven't. Do you understand the difference? Why are you talking to me? All you have to say is it's nobody's fucking business, and I didn't want to talk to Jeff Lewis's nosy ass about it. So I was waiting until my own time. And my own time, I chose the scene with you, and you chose to fuck me over to make fun of me with Tamra.

Like you always do so that you're left out. Your bony Hagrid ass is left out of Tamara's line of fire. Cause that's the only reason Heather is ganging up with Tamara. She's just being that. I mean, Heather is vile to her core anyway. So she did kind of find a sister there, but I think she's doing it to keep Tamara from attacking her, you know?

you know what? Let me make my point. And to help me make my, help you understand my point, I'm going to take my hands, make two little claws and then make them kiss. And then I'm going to push them towards you. Okay. When we talk,

And this was weeks later. I really want to point out, I didn't talk to anyone about it until he went on Jeff Lewis. And to me, that was like, okay, we're talking about it much like, I don't know. People want to talk about how my neighbor is Drake. I don't know. Just putting that out there.

And Andy's like, so Shannon? Andy's got that look in his face like, by the way, why did I call Heather Hagrid? I don't know what I meant by that. I love Hagrid. Come here, Harry. Sit on me lap, boy. I don't know why I called her that. I gave her too much credit. But anyway, Andy's like, so sadly, Shannon, do you understand what you're trying to say? And Shannon's like, well, I, I, I.

Well, I will say this much. I did not have fun in London. That first night was terrible. It turned into, you're a liar, and then it turned into, you're using me, and then, oh my god.

And it's like, well, I understand why you're upset with me. And I apologize if you don't trust me to tell me information for the love of God. Don't tell me. Let's just rebuild that way. We'll rebuild with you not talking to me about things or calling me ever. I think that would be a great way to rebuild.

That's kind of funny. Like, stop telling me shit. That's how she cloaks it in. That's how we should rebuild. Just stop calling me. She's like, okay.

Tamara, what do you think Shannon's intent was in wanting to bring the Travis and Gina story to the reunion last year? And then we see that whole thing. Because they've been fighting. Gina's like, she wants to hurt me and I won't be. Tamara's like, and then there was the wiener thing. And Katie on her end of the couch is like, wiener?

What's that? Jen's like, oh, Travis is wiener. Oh, big penis. Or small, they said. Katie's like, oh, oh, small one. So then this really bothers me because they don't point out again that Shannon did not bring this information up. Why?

Why do you think Shannon was digging into the business? Because she wanted to hurt her. She didn't bring it up. Tamara, yet again, is the one who brought it on camera. Yet again. But let's hear her talk about why Shannon's evil for it. So Andy's like, well, were you more hurt that Shannon was going to use the information at the reunion or that Tamara brought it up? And she's like, well, in the moment, I was more upset that Tamara brought it up.

OK, and Shannon's like, well, you know, you know how I heard that there was a story out there. Let me guess. Tamara sent it to you. Yeah, I know. You, Tamara, told it to me. You know what? We send each other everything that comes up. So Tamara's like, by the way, that story came out four months before, bitch. No, no. You said that Travis's ex-wife had reached out to you or someone. I had not reached out to her. I don't even know her name. Matilda. Her name's Matilda.

And Shannon's just fixing her makeup. She's like, oh, God, someone's always reaching out to you, Tamara. Give me a break. Which is so true. Since Gretchen. Since Gretchen's season. It's always been someone called Tamara late at night and had something to say. And Tamara's not digging around at all. Remember when she had one of her gays show up and pretend to be a psychic? Yeah.

Or he was a psychic, but it was like one of her gays. And to release the Brooks information about Brooks faking cancer. Yes. Do you remember? I mean, it is funny thinking back to that season, that reunion with Gretchen. I think that was season four where Tamara was like, this guy called me up and had all this stuff to say. And it was like this rampage at the reunion. And it was like shocking. It was like,

I can't believe this. This is so scandalous. It's like, who do you believe? Gretchen or Tamara? But the fact that someone called Tamara or she's so vile. And now that is so like just basic entry level reunion discussion. I'm like, well, someone called me up and said that you're a bitch. It's like, okay, well, welcome to the meeting. Thank you. What am I supposed to do? That give the information that somebody just gave me instantly? Come on.

So Andy's like, well, Tamara admitted that she came at you too hard, Shannon. Is there anything else you want to explain, Tamara? She's like, well, I think for me, he was witnessing her drinking. And she was calling me intoxicated and then going and being drunk. I was like, no, no, no, no. She called you intoxicated one time after you spent the entire season calling her a drunk, Tamara. Okay, twisty.

I, I, you know what, I need you to stop doing that because I didn't. I know what the truth is. And if someone is going to believe your lies, then I'm sorry. I'm sorry that, that, that they do. I'm sorry that they do that. She's like, well, oh yeah, keep gaslighting, keep gaslighting. But why not just say you're sorry? Just say you're sorry.

sorry seems to be the hardest word andy's andy turns to tamra is this the part where i think the entire screen starts splitting into all these panels and he's like uh tamra she's talking to you oh really yeah tamra say you're sorry why don't you just like yeah i mean like she's gina's just like laughing because tamra has no idea and shannon's like well she tamra thinks that i owe her an apology you know what i say to that i'll say it again

So they're all saying, Tamara, do it. Apologize. Apologize, Tamara. She goes, okay, well, I was struggling with the fact when I was with you, talking with you after the DUI, stupid, that I knew you were still drinking. She goes, well, that is not an I'm sorry, Tamara. Okay, here we go. Let me try it again.

I'm so sorry that you're an alcoholic. I wish there was something else I could do to help you not be a dirty alcoholic. Is that good? That is not good. Okay, I'm so sorry. Let me try again. I'm so sorry that your breath smells like the scent of cheers and that you sometimes wake up with peanuts in your hair. Sorry.

God damn it, Tamara! Tamara, you know full well I do not keep peanuts under my roof. They are a biotoxin. Alright, alright, alright.

I'm sorry that you are such a disappointment to everyone here in this room. Tamara, that's the worst apology of all of them. You know what? You know what? You get on a show, and I felt like you were in the same spot as you were after your D-Watch. Well, I'm sorry you felt that way, because you were wrong. You were incorrect. Okay, I was wrong then. You were incorrect.

Okay, well, I didn't think that you got the help that you needed. Well, you know what? I know that I got the help that I needed, except regarding my breast shelf, which is now in the wrong position. So could someone help my breast shelf? Thank you very much. Listen, I was completely shakered up.

And I was stirred. And I was pouring out my emotions. And, you know, I'm helped. Why are you talking like you're a martini, Shannon? Why? God damn it, Tamara. Shannon. Shannon. Okay. Lawyer speaking. Sorry, Jen. Gina forgave you when you apologized and you were harsh. And you said really terrible things to her. And then we see flashbacks of her saying, call CPS. So.

So then Emily was like—

Shannon was friends with Gina and Emily, and they totally turned on her the second that Heather Dubrow came in the picture, came back on the scene to kiss Heather Dubrow's ass. And they were total assholes to Shannon, literally for no reason. And that's all Shannon had, so she used it. And I don't think it was right, but to just pretend that that came out of nowhere is silly. Right.

So, Emily's like, well, you know, she forgave you when you apologized. Yes, yes, okay, I'm still trying to see where this is going to go. And like, you know, I think that toxicity has gone between you two and that's great. So, I'm just saying, maybe you can apply the same here. Oh, okay, all right.

Tamara, I accept your apology. I understand that your possum brain doesn't allow you to understand more critical analysis. So I understand. Here, let me speak rodent to you. Thank you. I actually understood that. Thank you, bitch. Possums are not rodents. They're whatever. I was, by the way, I opened the door last night.

guess what was on my stoop a possum and one's scampering away yeah they're they're actually kind of cute i heard because you know cute they just have a bad smile they just you know what they need they need to go they need to go to homeless not toothless because they have just an ugly smile but they're otherwise very cute they yeah just reformulate that smile they need to go to dr heavenly just fix that smile you'll be fine

So, yeah, she's like, well, I accept your apology. I relish in your apology, but I do not want to be your friend anymore. You guys need a break. You just need a break. Speaking of two and two, my right, Andy, two and two. Why are you acting like Chuck Woolery? It's my job, Andy. It's not your job. I'm television's head of the bro, Andy. We'll be back in two and two, everybody. Quiet on the set.

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In a quiet suburb, a community is shattered by the death of a beloved wife and mother. But this tragic loss of life quickly turns into something even darker. Her husband had tried to hire a hitman on the dark web to kill her, and she wasn't the only target. Because buried in the depths of the internet is The Kill List, a cache of chilling documents containing names, photos, addresses, and specific instructions for people's murders.

This podcast is the true story of how I ended up in a race against time to warn those whose lives were in danger. And it turns out convincing a total stranger someone wants them dead is not easy. Follow Kill List on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to Kill List and more Exhibit C True Crime shows like Morbid early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery+. Check out Exhibit C in the Wondery app for all your true crime listening.

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