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Today, I'm discussing the case of Daniel Robinson with his father, David Robinson. If you haven't listened to my first two episodes about Daniel, go back and listen to those first or this isn't going to make a lot of sense. But as a brief overview, Daniel went missing on June 23rd, 2021 from his job site in Buckeye, Arizona.
He was 24 at the time. His vehicle was recovered, but Daniel was not. His father David has been searching for his son relentlessly ever since.
Now, a few weeks before this episode airs, the Buckeye Police Department released new information about Daniel's case in a 120-page report. They say that they were able to determine that Daniel's cell phone was at the crash site of his vehicle at 10.05 a.m. on the morning of his disappearance. They revealed that the statements from a witness who claims to have seen Daniel that morning do not align with the information they gathered from Daniel's vehicle or electronic devices.
They also revealed some Google search terms found on Daniel's devices, including, quote, love changed me, delete Instagram account, shooting Tempe, explosion, and I'm okay to do things I hate, end quote.
The week this episode airs marks two years since Daniel went missing, so I reached out to his father David to ask if he'd like to come back on the show to discuss these new updates, where the case stands, and how we can best support the case. This is the case of Daniel Robinson.
Of course, you've been on the show before, but I would love if you could take a moment and introduce yourself to the listeners. Yes, David Robinson, the father of geologist Daniel Canis Robinson. I was out searching for my son. I wanted to do everything I can to locate him. We're a native of South Carolina, been born and raised there. But like I said, my mission is to find Daniel and to continue to do so.
Of course. Well, and, you know, I know that my audience is familiar with this case. And, you know, I gave a brief overview in the beginning. So I don't want to make you rehash any details. But I would love to know, you know, since we last spoke, it's been about a year since you've been on the show. And I would love to know what has that last year looked like for you?
Yes, it's been trying, of course, you know, still out trying to do everything I can to remain in Arizona. That's one of the most difficult things. So I could be more effective to continue to be effective searching for Daniel, finding the locations that still need to be searched.
Also tried to still do the investigation into my son's disappearance. My hopes and dreams were to work with law enforcement side by side. That has not gone exactly how I planned. Of course, there are some things that I, you know, have in trouble with with us is connecting with law enforcement. So I've been trying to do everything I can on that front to have my son case moved over to a different jurisdiction because, see,
I need fresh eyes into his case, fresh eyes with sometimes brain results. There are some things that still they're still lingering certain, for instance, work that's still lingering that still need to be taken care of. So it's a lot of work in the background, trying to get meetings and things like that with law enforcement officials just to see what other outsourced outside sources could be can do to help into this final location where my son is.
Also to try to get FBI involved is one of the key elements to things that I'm doing as well in this efforts to find Daniel. Of course. Well, and I would love to know if you can share this information. Of course, I understand if you can't, you know, which jurisdiction are you looking to move it in or is it just any anywhere but where it is now?
Well, one of the biggest parts is, you know, of course, people are familiar with this case. They would know that they were missing in Buckeye, Arizona. So it's kind of natural for Tippy, that he's a resident of Tippy, Tippy to send me over to Buckeye to put in a missing person report.
However, they also went missing in Maricopa County. Maricopa County is the county that Buckeye is in, for instance, Phoenix, and also Tempe is part of Maricopa County. Maricopa County has a bigger police force. They have the facilities and also the experience to be able to tackle the complexities in today's case because, again,
As you guys can see, the Buckeye Police Department hadn't been able to do anything to move the needle close to finding answers to what happened to Daniel. Everything that we know about Dave's vehicle, for instance,
certain items like that. It came from my efforts. The electronics, the things that was found on electronics also came from my efforts. So we tried to make sure that I could get my son's case moved into a department who has the facilities. For instance, I'm still holding some forensics that need to be tested.
Those forensics can easily be tested a lot better and faster with the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. Because, by the way, Buckeye will send those items over to Maricopa County. They have that facility to do a rapid DNA testing. This has been almost two years now. We need this stuff done quickly. And that's very crucial in Dan's case because the faster things move, we may get those answers before it's too late.
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Yeah, absolutely. Well, and, you know, I was born and raised in Arizona, and I think it's really important for people to know that Maricopa County makes up like half the state. It's not. And of course, I haven't lived in, you know, any other places. But, you know, when I run into counties, when I do true crime, it's usually a much smaller area. But Maricopa County, like I said, is half the state. So, yeah, they have a ton more resources. I can absolutely see that. Yeah.
Why do you, and again, if you can't answer, I totally understand, but I would love to know why you think this testing isn't being done by Buckeye. Well, you know, my biggest thing is, that is an adult male test.
And I've learned, searching for Daniel, that often men are looked at a lot different, of course, just in general. Daniel's case wasn't taken seriously at the beginning. I have law enforcement telling me why they were not going out to look for Daniel. They just quickly just put him on a database just in case he get pulled over by a traffic cop or something. They'll tell him, hey, your family looking for you. But it wasn't taken seriously.
And that's some of the reasons why certain things, for instance, the forensics, once the vehicle actually showed up on July the 19th, there was no forensics done at the scene because the detective, as he explained to me, he didn't see any reason to do any forensics work because the case wasn't taken, just wasn't taken that seriously.
And so that's an often I think when I find doing this work and trying to locate Daniel is that a lot of times law enforcement is not taking the cases seriously as the family member would. And so I think that's some of the reasons why.
Which, I mean, still blows my mind. In my original episode, I talked a lot about growing up in Arizona and how when someone goes missing in the desert, it's usually all hands on deck. It doesn't really matter why they went missing. It's just a matter of finding them, and especially in the middle of summer. So I just want to say again that, you know, I am stunned.
by the response from Buckeye PD. And it's not because I have, you know, great faith in many of the departments in Arizona, but it's because of the response I've seen in the past from people going missing in the desert. I mean, it is an emergency situation. So, you know, I have my theories on why Daniel wasn't a priority, but it doesn't change the fact that he should have been. So,
I just I feel for you so much. It's just their response was completely unacceptable in my eyes. I agree with that. I definitely agree with that. You know, as much as I beg to plead, I think some of the most hurtful moments for myself, I'm now starting to try to release myself.
recordings and things. I record everything and just going over those things and reliving those moments where I was asking Buckeye to simply do a search or to support my efforts out in the desert. I wanted them out there with the community, making a community event
be out there with me, use resources. Things I've seen online in certain cases where law, like you said, law enforcement is very present. This is Arizona. I'm not, you know, I have heat training because I'm in the military, retired military, and we had heat training when we were dealing with the deserts of Afghanistan. So I understand the deserts. And like you said, how dangerous it is just for anybody to
who's lost out there without water or any resources. Those are emergency situations. And, you know, you would think that law enforcement would definitely respond in that manner. So, of course, it's hurtful to go back over those things and listen to these recordings and look back over
things I've written down to timeline their responses, the things that were said to me as well. And then you put those things coupled together. It's very painful to see that it's now almost two years since Daniel was missing. This week would be two years. Like I said, I've just never seen a response like this to a human lost in the desert in Arizona. It's just, in my experience, it doesn't happen. And I,
I think that's one of the reasons I feel so much for you and for Daniel. It's just it's not okay. And I think that those missteps were huge and good on you for recording them. Unfortunately, that's just kind of what we have to do in these situations. And I know for me, when I was recording law enforcement, it wasn't just to catch them in anything, right? It was also...
You know, and maybe, you know, you are very composed and you're so well spoken, you know, but I know for me, when I was in those meetings, sometimes your brain can't fully absorb what they're telling you. So recording those things was extremely helpful for me so I could go back and make sure I was remembering things correctly or remembering them at all. Yeah. So I just imagine that those recordings are just invaluable to you.
And they are. They are very, you know, go back and, like you said, be able to get detailed timelines. Timeline is very important so you can understand what's happening in the case.
But yes, definitely want to go back and listen to key elements, like say things that are said. I just want to forget if law enforcement is to say, hey, we found X, Y, Z. And I may have somehow, like you say, so much going on and miss a certain detail. So a lot of times it wasn't just because I say, hey, I'm setting out, like you said, to investigate.
record law enforcement, like I said, it's definitely something I did before Daniel went missing. It's something I do to make sure that, like I said, you can go back and listen to things that you may have missed.
Absolutely. Well, and I do think that, you know, sometimes families in true crime, you know, are kind of gaslit when we talk about having these conversations with police and we're like, yeah, they were really bad. I don't think people fully realize until they hear that recording. Like, I know in my sister's case, you
you know, one of the biggest things that ever came out was this infamous now meeting I had with police where they were just horrendous. And, you know, the feedback I got was I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't hear it for myself. You know, I don't think maybe now more, but, you know, the police don't expect for those recordings to come out. They just expect for you to, you know, listen to what they're saying and take it at face value and kind of
do what you're told. And when they're, when they're faced with those recordings, you know, I think that there's a huge level of accountability that gets worked in there. You know, there's no denying when you have a recording, right? When they promise you something, perhaps they say something will happen and then that doesn't happen. And they, you know, and I, I'm not saying that's what Buckeye did to you. I just know that I've encountered many families who
who've been promised things by law enforcement that never came to fruition and they would end up denying saying those things. So again, those, it's so smart of you to record. You know, and that's one reason as well. When I first went to the office with Buckeyes to have a reference point, it was just myself, Mr. Larnier Farmer to have my first meeting with Buckeyes, for instance, because I didn't know Mr. Farmer at the time I had to, you know,
like you say, make sure that I'm going to hear everything and get everything I can out of meeting. I'll set off in a meeting to get answers. But what I have learned as well is because of this new report, for instance, that came out from the Buckeye Police Department,
There are narratives being painted in my son's case. There are some things that was said that I even said that I disagree with. I haven't said there are some things with the Buckeye Police Department will paint as if they've been doing a lot of efforts at the beginning. And those things are not consistent with what really happened in those recordings, the things they said, for instance,
if they would say, hey, we tried to do so for us at the crash site. I have the detective speaking to me on the phone telling me why they didn't do it for instance at the scene. So the recordings always seem to, the ones that I do have contradict what they write in the report. And that's troubling to me because the problem is with the family, they told us at the beginning, they sent the firebird, Phoenix firebird helicopter out
to search for Daniel. That's something I requested on day one. They denied it at first. My auntie ended up calling and they said, hey, we're finally getting this bird in the air, a Phoenix Firebird. I learned, since learned, like I said, listen to those recordings. The officer on the 25th was explaining to me that there was no indication, nothing there, that there's going to do a flight for Daniel. I asked them that day.
I'm kind of almost tired. I was so tired the entire day. You know, that's why I say it's so painful to listen to it. It's tired hearing myself in the pain that I was in. I know the way I sound. I was in pain. I was tired of the whole entire day begging them to go out and search for Daniel and see when or if they were going to do so. But like I said, the recording, it was there to say, we didn't even do this flight.
And then that's really consistent with the FOIA requests I put in for this flight, the information for the flight. Phoenix say they don't have any record of it. At first, they told me they didn't see it. Now they're saying they're looking for it. They've been looking for it for over a year now. So I'm assuming it don't exist. But Buckeye do have that in the report that they have.
set a firebird out there. And I always had suspicions about that. I thought they just probably told us that just to make us feel good as a family, that they went out and looked for Daniel when in fact they haven't.
Wow. I mean, obviously it's just devastating. It's just, it's not okay. You know, to add insult to injury like that, you're already hurting, you're already going through so much. Like the least they can do is just be honest with you and say, hey, you know, maybe we should have done that and we didn't. I think that's one of the hardest parts of dealing with law enforcement is that
for maybe it's legal reasons or HR or whatever it might be, there seems to be this like across the board inability to just be honest with families when we need it most. - Yes, yes, we definitely need open transparency. Like I said, I think it would be a lot easier from a family standpoint, you can relate to this.
Honesty goes a long way. Hey, look, you made a mistake. You got it. You apologize. We're all human. Family, we go through pain, but if lawful say, hey, look, we messed up. This is what we're going to do now. Let's work together and get this thing done. That works better than doubling down, doubling down and defending themselves and make us as a family get an option where we feel like we can't really trust somebody
So, so I definitely think that law enforcement would do better by, like you said, just being honest and upfront, you know, if something wasn't done, let's go ahead and get it done now. Yeah, definitely.
Well, and you did touch on some updates, which I had on my list to talk to you about. But I wanted to get it from you, because I know that the way that the media talks about updates and perhaps what you as someone, I mean, I don't think there's anyone closer to the case than you, you know, what you might think of these updates, I think is
I see these news reports and I get very concerned that they're sensationalizing some things. For example, I know that they found some Google searches that they were kind of sensationalizing, right? And when I started looking at these searches, I was like, these are things I might search. You know what I mean? I don't understand quite the sensationalization.
sensationalism around them. But I wanted to get your take on it. Can you tell us about the updates, about the updates that you find important specifically? About this whole new update that the Buckeye Police Department has put out with this new report. I call it a new report. It's because there was previous report when Daniel Vehicle showed up out there on July the 19th
they have given me everything from that scene. They also gave me a partial report at the time that I had a meeting a few days after the vehicle showed up. I had a meeting with the Buckeye Police Department. Then a week after that, they gave me the final report. At the time, they called it the final report. It was done with Daniel's case. It was an investigating. That's what they told my investigator as well. And, you know, that report,
has details of things they haven't done, you know, saying based on what I'm looking at. Then they since then brought out a next report after that. That report is a little different from the first. It has some paragraphs rewritten and things like that. Everything seemed like it was sensationalized to draw almost like I say a love story. He offered himself or went off because he was in love with a woman he didn't know, for instance.
And so those are problems for me. But then now the new report that comes out as well, you touched on several things. I heard it when it came out that Buckeye didn't even tell me they was going to release a report. They didn't call me, give me any kind of indication, didn't give me a fair warning or anything. They just released it to the public and I think they gave a date. They was trying to, I guess, advertise it in a way to get everybody they can to try to download this new report.
And so it was given to me by reporters and they were just throwing off all these questions to me about the report. And I told them, hey, look, I haven't even seen or heard about it or even read it. But they was asking me these questions about the search. They say they put out a search history that they say allegedly. Now, I say allegedly because we don't know who searched through Daniel's phone, but allegedly that Daniel searched from his phone.
They told me those things. Then I started answering those questions. I'm like, well, the Tippie explosion, for instance. I don't know. Maybe it was an explosion he heard in Tippie and he was Googling to hear about the story. I don't know. But whatever those searches were, like you said, that could have been from anything. The other part is the, as I finally did get the report, I think a reporter emailed me the report saying,
I mean, I stayed on that report all night. I mean, I've been up to five o'clock in the morning trying to read the whole entire thing. It's a new report to me because a lot of things was different. And as I was reading, I didn't get to complete it. But as I was reading it and dissecting it, I noticed it was like I didn't let it go because it was like a love story or some type of novel. I was like, OK, they're writing a novel or they're doing a police report.
Then I started realizing not only is a narrative, they really pull in a full narrative. And those narratives is that they have done so much. They have this mental issue. And also, also, there was some personal attacks on me as well. So that's all that I could find on the report as it stands now. Absolutely. Well, and it still blows my mind that.
that the expectation is for you to accept that, you know, Daniel could just disappear without a trace, right? But they can't accept, you know, the possibility of foul play. I would argue that I think it's a lot harder to just disappear without a trace. Let's say he did join a monastery, right? What are the chances that everyone there has no idea who he is? Everyone there has stayed there and has never spoken to anyone about him being there. So it just, it blows my mind that Daniel
They always try to push this narrative of he was an adult. He could go missing if he wanted to, which is true, right? But you have to look at the technical aspects of how. How would that even happen? How does someone disappear and stay hidden in this day and age? It's really hard to do. It's not impossible, but it's really, really hard to do.
That's right. I can say as a from a family, a father standpoint, you know, we raise our children. I'm sure my mother, she would say the same thing. You never know what people do when they become adults. You know, for instance, I was raised up in apostolic faith. Some people call it a Pentecostal holiness.
And some of the things that I would do now is totally against the way I was raised up. For instance, my mother, she would not approve. But she has those ideas and knows exactly what I would do, for instance, as an adult. Now, so I'm saying what I'm saying is I have to reserve that for.
For Daniel, like, look, it's possible that Daniel could have been doing things that I have no clue of. But I can only speak for Daniel's personality, the person that he is, the way that he carries himself, the things that he talked to me personally about that give me indications of
of what is going on in his life currently. For instance, two days before he went missing, had our normal two-hour conversations. There was nothing outside of our conversation that would warrant that he was having some mental depression. One thing for sure,
He has never, for instance, said the word love about Caitlin. He never told me he was in love with a woman. He only told me he met the woman. So it's things like that. It's things like that. I know my son's mannerism. I know certain little small things that would say, hey, for instance, he would not just get in some accident.
unless he was out of his mind, just walk off and then don't alert his family, friends of what's going on or decide to leave life as it is without saying something. That is not Daniel.
Absolutely. Well, and, you know, there are, you know, unfortunately, so many cases that involve a car crash and someone going missing. And, you know, I think the possibilities are kind of endless, right? It's hard to say what's happened without that definitive proof, which is my argument for keeping that hope alive for continuing to search for actually searching for actually investigating. That's right.
Yeah, I will never understand or be able to justify in any way the response from the Buckeye Police Department. I just...
never seen it in Arizona before. And again, I think that's why it sticks with me. And of course, after meeting you so many times and, you know, just it's different when you meet these families and you talk in person and you just, you know, you want to help. But before we get on to, you know, all the ways people can help, I did want to take just a tiny step back and
And, you know, I feel like I kind of have to ask you about, you know, the new information in this report. They are saying this witness, Bill, you know, is changing his story. And before I go into any of it, I just wanted to ask your opinion on all that.
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Yeah, I'm very, I did hear, of course, I get questioned about that. I'm very disappointed, again, as always, with Buckeye because I brought Mr., well, I want to put his last name out, but Bill, I call him Bill or Billy. He came to
My search is those in 2021. And he presented himself as a federal law enforcement officer out there. He came to us after he tried. According to him, he tried to talk with the Buckeye Police Department, but they ignored him.
So he came to the search to to meet me. Of course, I sent him over to my investigator because his appearance did not look like a federal law enforcement officer to me, even though he showed me a badge and said that's who we were. For some reason, something didn't feel right. So I sent him to my investigator who happened to be there at the searches.
I let him, told him, hey, look, you need to hear his story and tell me what you think. Sometime later, I'll say about in less than a month's time, my investigators say he vetted his story and that he's exactly who he say he is, a federal law enforcement officer, and that he was the last person that may have seen Daniel. Of course, I was really, I put that out in the public.
telling everybody, hey, there's a second person that's seen Daniel. Later, those things started becoming questionable to me because the more I got to know Billy, he was telling me the story. A couple of things he said at the beginning. He saw my son the first time through the scope of his rifle. He seen the vehicle at a distance. He was near the House of Harper River.
And then from that point, he saw him a second time. And the second time he saw him was around one o'clock that evening. And he said he approached my son around one o'clock on the side of the banks of the wagon to wash.
And to make a long story that one thing that's a couple things that stuck out with that. He said that Daniel talked to him and his children. And he asked Daniel, is there a proper place for him to target practice? And Daniel told him that he shouldn't do it here because I work in this area.
But you're supposed to go, you know, told him where he should go because they that's where they go target practice. They told him that's where they target normally do it at. You need to go in this other area. And so he said he was really grateful that Daniel had put him in the right direction to where he's supposed to target practice.
Now, later on, once my investigator came out with the information about the vehicle, that report came back from California. We found out the first accident happened around one o'clock. It's probably like twelve fifty eight, somewhere around there. But one o'clock that evening, Bill changed the story. He said he saw Daniel at one, but he changed to say, hey, I saw him at ten o'clock that morning.
And so that was a red flag for me. The other part came is when I realized through a person asking a question to me on the live, she said, asked me, well, how can Daniel give Bill direction to this location where he can go target practice? When was the first time ever being out there in that desert area? That's the first time being out there in that desert. He would know where to direct him to. And I said, you know what? That makes a lot of sense.
And so that was another red flag. But the ultimate thing was once I found out that Bill wasn't a law enforcement officer, in fact, he had a criminal history in the past had been impersonating law enforcement. So put all those things together. I looked at him as a suspect. I then went to the Buckeye Police Department about it. Talked to Debtor Biffin. He told me, I'm going to back up a little bit. I sent Bill back to the Buckeye Police Department.
And they agreed this time by the time to speak with him. I think that was probably around December, November, December of 2021. And, and I stayed on the phone with Bill until he got to the police department and
And he said he's going in with this meeting to talk to them, tell them what he know. And I told him, well, call me back when you're done. I didn't hear from him for almost three days. I thought that maybe he got arrested or something happened. I don't know. And he called me back and said, oh, he had to go straight back to work. That's why he didn't call back. But what I found out is
And I talked to the Buckeye Police Department. They say they vetted his story and they believe him. I said, well, what about his rap sheet? What about this? What about this? And what about that? They said, well, that don't mean nothing. We believe his story. OK, but I told him I don't. Three months ago here in 2022, Detective Biffin called me again and he asked me what I thought.
about he brought Billy back up again and asked me what I thought. I told him the same thing I thought from the last time. And then also I gave him the information that I had about Billy. So when I see this in the report now in 2023, that is something that should have been taken care of in 2021, is what I'm saying. And it's become a problem to me the way the actions of Buckeye is more reactional based on the things I say in public.
These public support people hitting the office with these, for instance, these protest letters and asking certain questions. That's when they're reactionary. And then they actually doing some of the things they should have done in 2021.
I mean, obviously, it seems extremely overdue. And from what I could find, it seems like, you know, the Buckeye PD is being very neutral about it. They're not saying, you know, that he wasn't involved, which I think is something, right? You have to read between those lines.
But they're not saying that he was either. You know, I read a statement that was like, you know, there's no evidence in his devices or phone that would corroborate or disprove his story, which I think is, you know, very telling if you read between those lines. But still, I mean, so frustrating because, yeah, to your point, why not do that right away? It's not as if
There were dozens of witnesses that day, right? You only had a few. So why aren't we pursuing them with everything we have?
We have to we have to you know, one of the biggest things I say a lot is that the last person that's seen someone should they story should definitely be Vetted very well As you guys know, I have out the searches out there in the desert I stay out there there's a sometimes some people didn't my team is definitely like that but I was started there's do my own investigation stuff and
And one of those things were to just trace those steps that was given to us, the whole narrative of Dane's disappearance from one person, Ken. And actually walk those steps and those very words that were said and things and put it all together. And when I did, when I done so, it was definitely a lot of questions. Everything that he says just didn't add up.
So some things that should be in the report from that instance, you know, if they want to say phone data, Ken said that Daniel, for instance, they made it to the well site at 9 o'clock that morning. Daniel left at 9.15. But then, you know, you don't hear anything else about that outside the fact that I'm out in the public pointing out that, you know, with Daniel's phone records,
He made a phone call to Ken at 928. So if Daniel left at 915, why is he making a call at 928? And also, if you back it up, Ken's first message to Daniel was to a voicemail. He left a voicemail asking Daniel not to come up there because of some fueling issues.
Daniel tried to call back. Ken did not answer. And I think if I'm mistaken, he may or may not have. I think after that, he tried to call back and Daniel didn't answer. But I'm not sure that part may not be accurate.
I'm just going by memory, but I can tell you that Daniel tried to call him again. He did not answer. So since he didn't answer, Daniel sent a text message saying, hey, how do you get to this location? He's asking how to get there. And that was almost closer to 9 o'clock. It was more like 8.40 or somewhere around that time. He sent a text message out to Ken asking for location, how to get there. And so Ken did not respond.
Like I said, in the next call that Daniel given was at 928. And I'm assuming to ask for directions. So so something or something going on with the phone. And so I really don't understand those things are not being explored by law enforcement. Those things have been explored by me personally.
going into the depths of those ideas or those words that were said by Kent. He stayed left of the trash so he didn't disturb him. Now, he pre-said this stuff. This stuff is not in the report as well. I have witnesses and I have notes. He said that he stayed left of the trash so he didn't disturb them that morning. He got to go look for Daniel almost immediately after he left.
He said that he stayed left of track and he wasn't disturbed because he knew that law enforcement would come looking and Daniel's case would go national. That's exactly how he put it.
So that was one of the things he also went on to say his little tracks on how he went looking for Dan Yacht in the desert, got on the high area looking. But he also said about, spoke about how he took red paint, spray paint, spray paint, rocks, red paint to give out law enforcement, let them know where these tracks leads to.
And if you follow those steps, everything that Ken said verbatim, it will lead you to the area where the vehicle eventually will be found. So, you know, that type deal. So I'm trying to understand why law enforcement is not vetting his story. Is it just taking his word because he said it?
And that is it. Despite of the fact that things that I told law enforcement with the witnesses, my daughter's one. And, you know, and they're not taking on to those things. They've been selective of what they want to put in report.
They're not taking the rancher's story saying the vehicle, for instance, wasn't there two days prior. You don't see that in the report because it don't fit the narrative that they want to give out to the public. So anything that fits the narrative that the vehicle's there for 30 days or that he has some type of depression or whatever the case may be, those are the things that make it into the report. But everything else that's evidence and information,
has not been put in report. And those things are problematic for me and my investigation. And that's another reason why I need Daniel's case moved to a different jurisdiction.
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Yeah, absolutely. And I have to imagine that this report feels kind of like a double-edged sword because, you know, on one hand, it is getting his name back in the press, which is always good. But on the other hand, you know, and again, maybe it's just my life experience with authorities, but it does feel kind of like...
a preemptive comment, if you will, from the police department. Like, hey, before the anniversary even comes up, here's everything we've been doing. We've been working. Here's our narrative. Kind of like, don't come for us. We're doing what we can. Is that just me or is that kind of similar to how you feel as well?
Yeah, definitely. I definitely know that's one of the facts of everything. You know, thank God to all the people that join in on the mail-in protest, sending out these letters, making these phone calls. And like you said, I see the reaction. I call it reaction from law enforcement. They're on defense mode right now. And like you said, they took the report and
Well written. The way I look at it is I was written from out of their attorney or someone who writes very well, but it's well written to a point to, like you said, give an appearance of a lot of work has been done.
And we're continuing to work hard in Daniel's case. And so, yes, definitely coming up to that two year mark. I have been publicly saying that, you know, after this kind of like visual, I will be doing some more efforts, efforts to get my son case removed over because of the slow action of the Buckeye. You know, I can see that as a defensive mechanism. And as well, like I said, don't come after me. I'm doing the best I can.
Yeah. And, you know, I think you pretty much summed up where the case is today. They're doing what they're doing and you are still investigating as hard as you were from the very beginning, which is just incredible. Your resilience and strength is incredible.
you know, definitely commendable. But of course, I want to get to what you've been talking about with the vigil and the mail-in protest. How can people help you? I want my audience to participate. That's the whole goal of this podcast is not just to listen to how sad all this is and how terrible it is. How can we help you?
Yes. Go to, ask everybody to go to pleasehelpfinddaniel.com. Pleasehelpfinddaniel.com. There's information there on how you can help. One of the biggest things that's happening right now is the mail-in protest. That's something that has been going on for weeks now, for about almost two months now.
That effort is helping me with what I'm doing in the background. I'm securing meetings with other officials that I cannot put out publicly just yet. But there's some other officials that is working along with me to get those movements that I'm looking for, getting this case moved over to the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office.
And also it keeps law enforcement active in today's case. So if anybody would want to help go to please help find day.com download those PDFs. There are letters there. There are picket signs, those same picket signs that will be part of the physical protest, but we're doing it in letter form. Download those things. If you want to donate, I call it a donation. You buy some stamps, um,
buy some envelopes, stuff those envelopes with those letters and those picket signs and send it off to the addresses that's on the address on the letters and also the addresses on the website, pleasehelpfinddaniel.com.
and send them out to these locations because i need them to come in by the hundreds to the thousands every day as possible um to this location because what it does it puts a lot of uh attention on daniel's case into those departments and so if you want to help in that way that's definitely going to help also the uh upcoming event that i have on a lot of people call it the anniversary of daniel being missing i don't like to use the word anniversary
Because every day for my family and I and myself, it's a day, an extra day that Danny has been missing. It's very painful. But it is definitely two years, Mark, on the 23rd of this month that Danny has been missing to make up two years. And as last year on the Candlelight Visual, last year,
I want to do something that's giving back to the community. That's something Daniel would do. A lot of people don't know, but Daniel is also an advocate himself. You know, he'd been in major protests against police brutality, et cetera. If Daniel was here right now, he would be side by side with me to help other families. That is the way he is. So,
I'm asking everybody to join in on the Unity Candlelight Visual that we'll be having on the 23rd. Excuse my voice. I'm still having an issue with my voice. But on the 23rd of this month will be that Candlelight Visual, Unity Candlelight Visual event.
And I'm asking you guys to join in. All you have to do is light a candle at sunset, no matter where you are. And just remember my son's case. Share his case. If you guys want to share your pictures and videos of the candlelight or what you're doing at home, utilize the hashtag Unity Candlelight Visual when you do so.
And that way I could put it on my platform as well as support. Another thing I want to make sure I pointed out about this candlelight visual, it's called Unity Candlelight Visual because it's bringing families together. And I'm not just talking about the families that are missing. It's bringing everyday families who's listening, who's been supporting my efforts to locate Daniel,
That's the families I'm speaking of that will be coming and joining in on this candlelight visual to hear because I'm planning to have other families on my lives that I'll be doing on that day. I've been doing two lives on that day, one for the East Coast and I'll be doing one for the West Coast and I will have families, for instance, Mr. Petito will be on one of the lives that we'll be supporting. I want to make sure that
to be able to come in and listen to these stories from other families who have missing loved ones. And so those families have opportunity for you to be able to share those stories because like I said,
The hardest thing it is for a family member when the loved one goes missing is keeping that story out there, keeping it on the platforms, keeping it out on the news media. And so whenever you guys share that story is very crucial and very important for these families.
And so I want to give the families a platform where they can come in and they can share their stories. And you guys are supporting the Unity Candlelight Visual. And you can hear those stories and you can share those stories on your platforms and get these stories out there. So that's what the Candlelight Visual is all about this year is to bring help keep light on today's case, as well as helping other families get their stories out there. So, again, that'll be on June the 23rd.
Unity kind of like visual. I love it. Yeah. I mean, media pressure moves mountains and there's no other way about it. Now, where can people watch these streams? Yes. Well, the live stream will be, I want to make sure I got this right, but it's 8 o'clock p.m. on the East Coast. And also there'll be 8.30 p.m. out West on the West Coast. That'd be Arizona time, for instance, California time.
And that'll be on YouTube channel. Please help find Daniel. That's please help find Daniel YouTube channel. Please help find Daniel where you can join in. If you have a missing loved one and you want to be part of the kind of like visual, you can hit me up on please help find Daniel. Please help find Daniel at Yahoo dot com and put in requests. I would love to have you on.
on the live. If you just want to give it the information, you could do that as well. And I will share the information on the platform for those who are listening to share. Perfect. And before we close out, I always like to ask, I know that your voice is escaping you, but is there anything else you'd like to add before we say goodbye?
Yes, I will tell you, thank you so much for being such an advocate. You have been doing that since I met you. You know, like you said, it's different when you meet people in forums like this and you do an interview. But when you actually meet a person in person and they're exactly the same way they are when you meet them on a platform like this, it's incredible. And I know the things that you had to go through with your own family. And, you know, my prayers are always there with you.
And, you know, and you're just such a wonderful person. I wanted to tell you that. And I'll tell you, thank you so much for constantly trying to help me in my efforts with my son as well.
Of course, of course. You're so kind. I did want to say, of course, thank you for coming on. I know that this isn't easy. It's also during a very busy time for you. So I appreciate you taking the time. And I know that my listeners care a lot. And I'm just really happy to be able to get, you know, hopefully help in a small way, get this message out there for you. Thank you, Sarah. I appreciate it. Of course.
As a reminder, Daniel Robinson went missing from Buckeye, Arizona on June 23rd, 2021. Anyone with information is asked to call 623-349-6411. But as always, thank you, I love you, and I'll talk to you next time.
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Welcome to the Secret After Show. Now, I realize that last week I talked a lot about update episodes and not doing update episodes, and then followed that right up with an update episode. But, you know, this is a format that I hope to start incorporating, this format of bringing families that we speak with back on to keep these cases top of mind.
Now, I know when I was interviewing for Alyssa sometimes, it felt like, and it wasn't the creator's fault, I just want to say that, like, right up front, but it can leave this really empty feeling that you did this interview and, like, that's it. It's over and, you know, on to the next case.
And again, I just want to say that I know that that's just the nature of content creation. So I really try my best to make sure that the families I work with know that for me, it's not just like a single episode. You know, I do it and then I say goodbye forever. I really do try to be there for them when I can. So again, thank you for listening to this update with David. He works so hard to keep Daniel's name in the press, and I really, really hope that you will take time to participate in the vigil and the mail-in protest.
And speaking of hope, let's talk about our unnamed hope story of the week. This is local to Arizona, but I hope it's already in place in other states, and if not, will be put into place. Alright, I'm going to reference an article from 12 News here in Arizona by Kevin Reagan. Basically, Arizona passed major legislation that I think is going to save a lot of lives. According to the article, quote,
a piece of legislation that would revise how the Arizona Department of Child Safety, that's basically CPS, reports missing foster children has been signed into law. House Bill 2651 will obligate DCS to notify local media outlets within 48 hours of receiving a report of a missing or runaway child. Information about the missing juvenile must also be posted on social media platforms.
End quote. And the article goes on to say, quote,
Parker said she took issue with how the community wasn't aware of these missing girls until after they were deceased. There would have been an army of people willing to find them had the public known, Parker said. End quote. Oh, sorry, my voice is really going out there. Now, I definitely need to look further into these cases because I hadn't seen them before, but I thought that this was a really good fit for our little hope segment here.
And I know I talk about this all the time, especially I have been covering a lot of cases about precedents that have been set, and it's an absolute tragedy that any kids have to die for bills like this to be introduced. That being said, I do think that this bill will save many lives in the future. Every agency that cares for kids in foster care is different. Every social worker is different.
But I think it's universal that every child who goes missing, every person who goes missing, deserves to be searched for. And I think that this bill will help a lot.
So I hope that that gave you a little bit of hope. Oh my gosh, I use the word hope so much. I aspire that this segment gave you hope. That's also like a really terrible way to phrase things. Anyway, thank you for tolerating me. I love you and I'll talk to you next time.