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From tender for T, V. In lana, this is up and vanished. I'm your host pain lencs.

All I know is, emotionally, that person was very shaken up when I told you this, I don't know. They were like, very scared. I don't remember the exact dates.

I just remember getting a phone call. They told me that they had had this girl, that their house, they was going to beat up in killer or something. That was all I knew. SHE was very shaken up, ask me if I could come .

and picker up.

So I went to down, to go picker up.

and then on I.

yet there seems like terrified, crying, shaking, cared. I tried to calm down. He was freaking out SHE said. They actually killed that girl that actually learning. I didn't know what to believe, but just for emotional state, i'd be to believe that suit my lying. SHE was all freaking out history, claiming that he knows that they killed that your own and he said they put her down into the gross space logic. I say there's something that, but I thought I know.

A few weeks ago, I ve got a tip from a Browning local that actually may be buried in the cross space in a home just outside of town. I don't know whose, how disease or how credible this is, but either way, i'm going here so there's a good chance do not let me searched this house but hey, we're going to try i'm bringing my friend Tracy sergeant in a canine search dog.

Hey, pain, are you the owner of the house i'm working with? Kimble's Loring actually lawing sister, actually i'm missing a few years ago as you your cousin. Yeah, we are here today.

We have a search dog. We're just eliminating different spots that have come up in our investigation. A rumor surface problem, not much to IT that he could have been here.

Search we have to SHE .

was kind enough to grant us access inside the house. So we entered with Tracy in our dog.

taz. This is what he's looking for. This is his tory is reward. So he's actually searching for this toy he's been imprinted on.

Could every cent human remains sent? And when he finds that, he's gonna sit and tell me, hey, I smell this scent here. So many, given the command and searching.

They say this house was a mess, is a complete under statement. There was stuff just everywhere, trash clothes, kids toys.

boiled food.

As we made our way to the back of the home, we noticed the door with the key knocking from the handle. The only way to gain access to the cross space was inside this room, so we asked the owner to unlock IT. There was an access point to the cross space just inside the closet, but there were mountains of clothes and general debris covering the floor as we were clearing the area. The homework got a call from our sun he had just learned to inside the house searching, and he wasn't very pleased about IT.

They're just .

yeah for the top caster.

Well, that was okay. So when I got to say.

Is no to look for sure?

No.

no, we're not cops. Man.

well, get to forget to my house. And we're .

living here. Surely not until we searched this cross space or not. After a few minutes, we had the flour cleared. We pride open the hatch on the floor. I help the dog tags done into the crawl space, and Tracy began searching.

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So we're currently in the css space of a house. Cross space is about four feet high. And I just crowd ed down with my flashlight having test check the entire cross space area.

It's got some black plastic on the ground. You can hear him walking on IT and is got some various debris, such as blankets, clothing coolers, drink cans, toys, things of that sort. But we want to check this in great detail to make sure there's nothing down.

Looking at high areas of interest, such as the trunks of vehicles inside, vehicles inside the crowd space, spent a lot of time down there. He did a beautiful job greeting IT out himself. There are some trash right there at the opening me, such as blankets, toys, Christmas things all back.

I had him searched that over and over. There's two things about a cross space or any area like that. It's like a for like a Better words, a tough wear container.

It's going to contain sand and it's gonna SATA the whole room. So that's why I had him check every report of that room. What I did find of interest is that he started showing a lot of interest in the winning system.

I saw this with my own eyes. When a canne dog smells cadir, their command is to sit as soon as we clear the access point to the cross space, taz immediately SAT down. But inside we found nothing.

We have eight females living in that house. In most of them administrating females. It's not unusual when we ve had this happen in the past, when we have been strating females living there or visiting there is not unusual for the dog to pick up sent because IT is human remains. So based upon his behaviour in visually what we could see, I would say what he's picking up is the australian females.

There was no body inside that house, but we weren't done searching yet. We made the trip out to divide, were actually went missing while sam fell asleep in his car.

What we have here is that i've done a way point of where we are here at the divide. The way point is marked of where we're starting our location wherever he goes. This is noted on this GPS unit.

So this color shows where he searches in all the areas that he goes. So if we look at the logistics somebody coming in here, we're not not going to search here. This is visually something that we can clear without at all.

So i'm going to go into areas that we visually could not clear with our own eyes. So that means going down, heal there, even in that thick brush over there. So those are the areas that we're going to send the door again.

See, he picks up any any cent. There is a lot of wind here. So we're onna use that to our vantage as much as we can, but IT is quite strong.

Yeah the terrain that we're in right now is a thick wooded area with trees about seven, eight feet tall. This actually is helpful as far as sit conditions, because this can contain in a certain area, so we can clear these areas pretty quickly. So these little pockets, if he picks up anything, he's gonna be attracted to that tears.

Let's go.

Good boy ht.

I just see A A container there, which is just unusual and something like that here.

I don't see anything a significance in IT, but I always want to check IT just in case 这 不会 嗨。

pain. Let me ask you, has sam showed you where they report?

Yeah, it's about right there. OK.

okay. So that's helpful. So so with that, we're going to check down heel because that's a stronger probability there 是 okay。 So we're going to head down there now, erica.

We searched the divide for several hours and again, nothing.

I feel confident, based upon what we know about this case in this area and searching visually and what has been done in the past and what the dog is doing today, that we can have a high level confidence that this area can be marked off at least for now, and less tips or leads bring us back to this area.

Our next destination was the trailer of the tea in poll station, the same trailer that tea attempted to burn down. And IT was also here, that tea claim to smell something rotting, maybe a dead animal, or perhaps something worse. I had reached out of of the current owner of the property about searching here, but I never heard back. So to do this properly, I was going to need her permission.

Hey, i'm pain, linsey. I called you a few weeks ago. I doing the story about actually learning we fill out here this week because we're just kind of a cross, an awesome places on the search list and we have a uh, canine unit with us today. And I wanted to search that trailer over there. At first he was pretty hesitant, but SHE eventually came .

around and gave his permission.

Let's get out of the type soon as possible, just in case he tries to change your mind.

So where we are now is this open counter area with some trade lines behind the trailer. These are ideal conditions. So we're about a hundred yards from the trailer working our way toward the trailer. So as we work there, we're actually searching and clear in these areas and to see if he picks up any cent between here and the trailer. Once we get to the trailer, they will do some detail work around hi.

Those are cow bones.

you.

Someone to go check this barrel over here first before we go over to the trailer.

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We've checked the entire trailer .

going from .

the less .

side of the trailer, which is a bedroom and bathroom, living room, slashed bedroom in the kitchen area. So once we get to the kitchen, we came back from the right back to the left to the other end of the trailer. His response here is that he's not picking anything up.

There is no change of behavior. And here, what so ever, in the same conditions, again, are ideal today. I feel good that we can move forward from this area, checking a few little spots before we leave here, but I think we'll be leaving this area shortly.

The sin conditions were ideal for the dog. So I feel confident that the areas that we checked, high probable areas, not secondary areas, but high probability areas, we can say with with a high degree of confidence that they've been cleared with negative results.

I had high hopes, but we came up empty handed. The silver lining now is that these locations have now been cleared. Whatever Ashley is today, she's not here.

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For quite some time now, i've been trying to locate paul van zuela. This man is completely off the grid. But a few weeks ago I got an email from paul baLances wales sister.

i'm paul sister call baLance zuela that suppose the dog down there in Browning, montana, when this first happened, and I had heard that actually was missing, and that my brother could possibly be involved years ago. This is when I started speaking up, I was getting a hold of detectives. I was giving them information about all who he is, what he's about, how eos had a bara dead body where nobody can find IT because my brothers done this before.

IT was about twenty five years ago. He varied the body for somebody, and he would kind of brag about IT. Well, you know, I know how to bury a dead body.

You put the body in forst, cover IT with dirt, and then put a dog over IT. So if Davis come and look all there, gonna find as the dog's on. I tried getting older detectives up here.

I didn't have the kid's last name. I only had his first name. And I was Carry paul's brother in law at the time. He is the one who killed the kid for the dote, and paul is the one who helped fuck and get rid of the kid, rap him in a rug and broken, buried in somewhere up of the mounts.

The reason why i'm telling you this is because when I had found out that actually went missing and paul's name came up, he's said IT before he knows how to barry dead body. What really bothers me about this whole case? I've talked to detectives as well. I've talked to an FBI agent. My thought, is there more worried about the dope that's coming in another there instead of the missing people?

His own sister, which is me, I have spoken out against him. I have shared information. I'm not afraid to put my fuck in name out there, which I do plenty on facebook.

I'm not afraid to him. And that's what I tell people. Why are you afraid of A A cracked? He has he he ain't going to do shit to you.

I'll never does his own dirty work. Now he's about little millions to do IT for him, you know, because he holds the dot back. I know that to china was jealous because paul was .

fucked in her.

And I know that that's what that revolved around was jealousy. I just I can't stand IT that that all all of this information is out there yet. The FBI and the B I A has done shit about IT.

I mean.

it's it's an open and shut fucking cakes. Like when you track somebody's phoned, wouldn't you look up their messages? I mean, what the fuck is that easy? And paul keeps getting away with his bullshit consistently.

And I know paul, i'm sure he helped to get rid of her and her body. I know that I know in my god otherwise as why I wouldn't have broken up. I have nothing to do with my family back there.

Nothing I don't speak to them. I don't go around them. I'm a totally different baLance way that they've already jug our fucking and aimed to the model that reads completely paulson, a no good piece of shit.

When my son was thirteen years old, this bastard was going back and forth on messenger trying to sell my son fucking guns. I've known my brother all my life. He's always been an attack. You, anna, get away with murder.

Go to Browning.

And IT is true.

That was .

a Young.

beautiful girl.

What else would a Young, beautiful girl like her be doing with the old das man like him? Whoever has got the ult man, whoever has got the good shit, know you're gna go with him. And I know that from personal experience.

And unfortunately, that beautiful little girl fell into this. And just, it's always been in my heart. And I just, I I can never just put IT down. I can't just, I just he just sticks with me, mom, it's it's in saying, you know.

It's just getting a exhAusting IT. All has to come down to the B, I, A in the F, B, I, coming together, putting the evidence together, could fucking around, get to china in all to turn on one another. Because I will tell you one thing, paul cannot stand to be in prison. If paul goes to prison or fuck in, switch. I don't know how he keeps getting .

away with the shit.

I don't know how IT just IT blows my mind IT really does. I'm not looking for a reward. I am looking for them in that boss shit.

I just want these people caught. Why are there real investigators here? We are. We are discardable. We always have been, especially as indigenous women.

We have to go around and say, if I don't come back home, know that something is wrong, I have to tell my children that we just have no protection. none. We have to protect ourselves. Maybe asty is the one to make the fucking changes for our reservation, because if they hit getting away with this one, it's never gonna stop, ever.

And i'm sick of IT.

I'm so fucking tired of IT. My brothers have gotten away with do not bother bucking shit and .

i'm sick of IT. I'm just .

tired of IT.

The next logical step is to talk to paul himself through an unnamed source. I found his current address and was time to pay him a visit. Before I went there, tea warned me that this could be pretty dangerous.

I just need you to be careful when you go out there. The first thing is gna do you might pull .

gun on you because it's his property.

he'll say, and you're not allowed to be here. That's just how he is and if he's sell in drugs is going to are he's gonna lease his dogs on you but he's got another pit ball and I think he's a dumb dog.

but I don't know so how would you suggest that portion should I don't know.

I would drive up there exactly what you're telling me and just go there.

My unnamed source told me that paul lived in a rental house about an our outside of great falls, montana. In the middle of nowhere, paul's house was on the top of the hill, and down below I saw what appeared to be a neighbor living in a mobile home. Do you live here when he was pain? I'm a journalist from atlantic sich.

Man, I was trying to interview this guy who lives up on the hill here. now. Do you know much about that guy? Never seen him? No, I just did you. I just heard that he was kind just one of guys around here. What is IT that in to watch out for, I guess?

Well, there's no turning back now. I've come a very long way to talk to this man. Once we run, this band will be an eye of this guy 一些。 我 给。

As I approached the home, I was met by an enormous dog, everybody. Thankfully, he was acting friendly.

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No answer, but I soon realized that I was actually at the door of the basement, so I made my way around to the front.

He is pull here.

Um yeah.

why i'm a journalist. A kitten is early twenty, answered the door. Then you let me inside go.

I'm paying, by the way. I SAT down in the kitchen waiting for paul to come upstairs. Every second felt like an eternity. A few moments later, paul emerged.

With me, his .

story.

your .

journalist house?

No, he's Better. There seemed to be a misunderstanding. I had heard that pause was in the process of being evicted. And IT seemed that they both thought I was there for that reason, which I was not. I'm working with kley .

wearing actually.

sister 喂。 外 披。

my. Family.

I talk, I talk to everybody, want to get your side story.

is that my start of the story is. I know nothing. I see nothing. I know nothing, and I want to do this.

I mean, nobody want to do, but. You mind just chatting for like ten minutes like I came all the way from atlantic.

I don't fuck if you came in. Fuck in egypt. Okay, my life is my life.

Alright.

people fuck with my life and I get picked up. okay? Anything that i'm telling right now if I find out that was written down, okay, if I find out any of this is writing down, well.

i'm telling you right now.

i'm confines you, okay, because i'm telling you right now .

this is .

pog IT doesn't matter.

I'm not trying .

to point fingers anybody. I know the routine.

I know all this. I don't, for the big people.

do the dependent. Your argument doesn't stand here. You came a long way for nothing.

You can ask anybody in that community over there. Everybody's always going to blame the bad guy. okay? Everybody does IT for every pocket reasons.

So going to tell you right now i'm going to do the fuck. And loan girl kay, never did. Never will I lawing a pic crap in my family. What he does, my family. You think there's other .

people in the case is not like, it's just you like the same go. No, i've talked to say, i've talked to T, I only .

having talk to you. Think about t piece of crap too. They're all pieces of co, if you right down.

do five minutes, man, please.

Before .

the wait, all .

percent. Please look, as I got back in the car, I can see paul l downstairs in the basement, Pearly to the window. I'll, they can see me. It's a rental. Fuck off the.

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This was a very frustrating experience. Where do you even go from here? One of the biggest problems with this case is that no one has seen Ashley since sam fell asleep in his car divide. But maybe someone has.

My name is Rachel cross spreading wings. I'm a member of the blood tribe because i'm from the blood reserve. I have a lot of friends and family on both sides. And I actually started seeing on twitter different people posting about actually being missing. We never got a missing person's report, which I thought was really d because generally, if somebody goes missing, we get that right away so we can get IT out there.

I pitched my story, and at first I was not very well received until I pitched IT with the angle of why is there no missing person's report? Why if this family is saying that she's been missing for two, three weeks at this point, why aren't we getting this? Hi, I actually first saw this case come across my twitter feed with the hashtag mmi w, which stands for missing and murdered indigenous women.

Then I saw on facebook being shared by her family and her friends. But what I didn't see was any emails come into our newsroom about IT no missing person's report or A B on the lookout alert. Now i've called the vireo of indian affairs buildings and was directed to the head office in washington, D.

C. Their public information officer says they are looking into IT and will be in contact when they have more information. Black feet law enforcement has not responded in the studio, and racal cross reading ings law enforcement didn't feel like he is missing yet.

They still had her as a beyond lookout. IT was really surprising to me that IT took so long for her to be considered by laender cement to be missing. When her family was clearly worried about her, clearly afraid that something happened to her, they weren't being taken seriously. It's scary, as a woman to know that I wouldn't be taken seriously if I went missing. Every woman's fear is that if he were to go missing, nobody would look for her.

A few weeks after actually went missing, Rachel had experience that could potentially change everything. In this case.

about a week after I talk to kimberley, I was in a vehicle that had Alberta plates that day, because that was my day off, and I wanted to go for a drive, was middle of summer, and I needed to look for berries. I went just past belt montana. There are two highways that come together, and there's a really nice berry picking area.

And so I just pulled over and was picking berries. All of us said in, I heard this voice saying, excuse me, i'm just wondering what you pick and now there there is a Young woman standing there and he looked a little hungry on a little and kept SHE didn't come close to me. He was a little leg.

I tried to step to a shaker hand. I go, i'm Rachel, you know, on other side of my truck, I could see where their car was parked. And I was a guy.

There is definitely Brown, far away. So I would say five nine, five eleven, kind of dirty clothes, White t shirt. I mean, he was a solid guy, not body builder built, but definitely strong.

So we weren't alone, and he was watching us. And she's kind of step back for me. And so I just stayed where I was. We were probably about five or six feet apart, and I inner duced myself.

Normally if you meet somebody, even if IT we're on the side of the road in that kind of a situation in your striking up a conversation, IT would be Normal to shake somebody y's hand. And I die. Just watched .

IT was somebody .

who was definitely afraid of because he wouldn't come close to me SHE didn't take my hand SHE said. My name is .

actually IT was her ninety .

nine point nine percent .

of looking exactly like .

the person and maybe now I would have been brave enough to ask her her last name. But at the time I was afraid that he would do something to both of us. If I pressed, I think that was her.

You know how sometimes somebody will be watching you and but standing there, like, with their arms cross, but watching you like they are ready for you to do something and they're ready to react. That was how IT was like. He was just ready to do something.

Grab her, grab me. I don't know, but he was ready. I think that was paul. We were by ourselves. I don't know how violent this guy could be, but i've heard a lot of stories, and he could have killed us both. I drove up the hill right away and I call the emergency number.

They said they had had a sighting of her Augusta about an hour and a half ago and I said, well, if they had weren't straight from gusta to bet, that's about an hour a half. And this is where the highways in our sect, there's a rest stop there. I think they actually have cameras at that one you might be able to see and is a black at long. So I did.

I talk to my .

bosses and I said, i'm pretty sure I was her. I didn't ask her last name, but IT looks exactly like SHE said her name was ashly the description of the car was the same IT was just too coincidental. I think mostly I feel bad that I wasn't braver and just told her to get in my truck and just drive away.

I have that guilt, and I was asked not to tell the family because I, I was told that I would could give them false hope. I feel guilty that I was scared. I feel bad that I didn't say anything to them, to the family, and I wish that I could have done something more. I think that was her.

I mean, I suppose there's .

that small chance that IT wasn't her, but I just don't believe that IT wasn't her. I believe that IT was her. It's too coincidental. When I talk to the F, B, I, I ask someone, as anybody gonna be contacting me about my sighting of her six weeks ago.

And SHE was like, what you talking about? And I said, well, I I saw her and they said that there was no record of my sighting in the case file. There was no record in the case file of my sighting.

I don't know why it's such a small community. It's not like it's a new york city. I don't understand. If you want to get away with murder, you go to Browning, montana.

I think that Ashley has become kind of a movement for all of the women who are missing. There are so many women in the united states and in canada, but particularly the united, who aren't being investigated, whose families haven't been heard IT. Just so happens that asher's story was heard.

For now, this season of up and vanished in here, but my team and I searched for Ashley will continue for as long as IT takes ashly lawing heavy runner has become the face of an even larger epidemic of missing a murdered indigenous women. And is my hope that Ashley story continues to spread awareness. These crimes need to be taken seriously .

and there's just not I believe .

that one day actually will be found, and I ve ought to .

never stop looking.

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You here is no such thing is the perfect murder that's not true because I had a lot perfect.

IT took a years before I was actually able to speak with this guy.

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The man who says he murdered Dennis philaster, and I find out what really happened that terrible night. The only two people that know what happened that night is tiny. And him, he is the one that has answers.

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