137 - The Most Dangerous Cryptid Ever ft. Wendigoon
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He gave Brandon Kraus. What I have done cannot be undone. Oh, listen here, f***. Cody, take your pants off. Hey, what the f***? You're not getting these back. Do not say or harass anyone. You do what you like. Has his f***ing mic been off the whole time? Brandon Herrera and I approve this message. My boy. This episode's gonna be one of a kind. Why can I already tell this episode's gonna be spicy?

- 'Cause we're drinking. Cody's pulling from the handle. I don't know how it's-- - I'm burned out right now, just drinking. - Yeah. Cody, kick us off. - Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Everyone grab one to pop it. Here, you can just pop it. - I'll just pop it and then, yeah, yeah, I'll pass it off. Yeah, yeah, cool, cool. - Christian Boy persona's already kicked in. - Christian Boy, yeah, my fingers are burning. - One, two, three, three. - Woo! - Oh yeah, we'll do an actual.

Hi everyone, welcome to the unsubscribe podcast. We're joined today by Eli DoubleFab, Brandon Herrera, Mr. Fat Electrician, and the best fucking person ever. Sorry, I said the F word. Mr. Windegoon. Aww.

When he's around, he just does that. That's how much F word you said. I know, but you apologized for the first time. You were like, fuck, I'm so sorry. That's how much we respect you. Oh, that's so sad. Donut is like, I'm so sorry. That's weird because of all the racial slurs we said earlier. That you all said. Oh, God.

That's not how I remember an extremist. Oh, no. Thank you. 30 seconds in already. And now you're canceled. So what's that on the table? Sorry, motherfucker, I'm running for Congress. We'll put we're in this together, don't worry. We both go down with this ship. He's that perfect half right now. It's like the brown side, the white side, and you're like right in the middle right there.

We're like a fucking podcast equivalent of a paint swatch. Ha! Racist! They're fine over there. We can say whatever. We can pass. Should I pull my gun? Death sentence to misdemeanor.

Hi, everybody. Hello. Thank you. Thank you, boys, so much for having me on. Last time on was fantastic. And everyone here is... Was that a high five? I know. There we go. I see him with the hand. I was like, oh, God. Everyone here is a friend of mine, so it's great to just sit down with the boys. I appreciate it. Dude, you've been crushing life. You have started how many podcasts?

now? You have a few going. Yeah, I got two that I started. I started one with Hunter, also a friend of the channel, Meat Canyon. Very cool. Creepcast is going great. I've got another one. I started with Jackson Clark and Charlie, Moist Critical, Penguins, whatever you want to call them. That one's also going great. You probably haven't heard of them before. I'm really trying to help them out. Tiny. Your podcasts are starting at the pinnacle. You're like, you only have 10 million.

- You wanna get something started maybe? - Yeah, well, yeah, I shot Charlie DM and I was like, I'll help you out. You know, we'll get somewhere together.

But no, it really... Well, good to try to like kick this off at 300,000 views on our first episode. Yeah, very blessed. Very blessed to be where I am. And I really do appreciate both of those guys because like before I started YouTube, they were both like guys I looked up to, along with the people at this table. They were both like people who I like aspire to be like and now to be at the point where they're like, hey, we should do a show together. It's really cool to see. It's awesome. Yeah,

I was gonna make that joke right off the bat. You know, I was thinking to myself, how long until you bring it up? Go for it. Go ahead. Yeah, sure. Well, the last video at time of recording that you put up, your second cryptid tier list, you had said something in the beginning. You were actually kind of mansplaining to your audience. How a tier list works. Yeah, tier list. Hey, look, B tier means it's above C. C is average. B means I kind of like it. And, like, I'm watching this in the shower in the morning to get ready, and I'm like...

I'm like a tear running down my cheek. You're like, B-T-R means he likes me. Kinda. But, but, on that same note. Not as much as Mike Jones. On my live stream the other day, when I was ranking all my own videos, the video I put of just me reacting to you from early on in the channel, I put it at F. I put it at F too. And then what was the thumbnail though for it? Uh,

It was me. It was like my head photoshopped onto your body. It's so weird. It was your head photoshopped on my thumbnail. Yeah, it was Metal Gear Solid shit head fucking it's really funny because I made a

That video when I had maybe 80, 100 subscribers or something like that. Because in my head it's like, yeah, I'm just a guy and these are like the untouchable, like, you know, the famous YouTubers. And it's really weird to be like, what's my reasoning for this? Like, I have to explain myself. And I watched it when it came out because you had tagged me in it. Do you... I don't think I've ever asked you about this, but it's good material for a podcast, I suppose. Do you remember...

Just around that same time, you got brigaded with like crab memes.

for a while. Crab emojis, crab emojis I mean. In like your comment section. Do you remember this at all? Was this over the crab god thing? This was... Okay, you remember that old meme of like the dancing crab? Like whenever someone would die... Oh, that's not an old meme. That's still... Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like the dancing crabs or whatever. The crab rave. The crab rave, yes. He gave Brandon crabs. That's what I'm trying to get at. This is now lore. Yeah, yeah. So...

The crab rave thing, whenever someone dies, everyone comments crab emojis when they're excited for it or whatever. Most recently, Henry Kissinger, I think. So there was a guy. This was back when I had the Wendigoon Instagram page where I would just post short stories, stuff like that, right? So I was posting short stories, and for each one of them, I was using copyrighted music to make it look cool because at the time, I was just doing it for fun. I didn't care what happened. Eventually, I did it enough, my Instagram account got taken down.

It got taken down like the day after I made the reaction to your thing, right? So for a few hours. Well, people assume that. People assume that you took down my Instagram page. I remember this. Yes. And I talked to you about it. And you talked to me about it. I had never spoken to him before. You just reached out. You're like, bro, that was not me. I swear to God. Dude, I'll.

Oh my god, you just unlocked a memory? I did not associate that was you. I was just like, "Hey bro, I just want to let you know I had nothing to do with that. Like, I seriously like that." I didn't take down your Instagram page because you made a video making fun of me. Yeah. Thank you so much. So, that's what you messaged me. There was a guy who followed me who just was... Not when you were that petty though. He was posting like crazy, like Brandon Herrera is trying to take down Wendigoon, which is really funny in hindsight.

And then I DM him, I'm like, bro, that's not what happened. And all he sent back was a message that said, what I have done cannot be undone. Dude, I was wondering, so you were unlocking shit. In my brain, I fucking had thrown out a long time ago. I was on a road trip when that happened. Yep, you texted me, you're like, hey, sorry, I'm on a road trip right now. I don't know who you are. I did not delete your Instagram. That's as Brandon as it gets. I don't know you, but...

I do it. Within context, you probably had maybe a few hundred, maybe like a thousand or something like that. But I was just like reaching out. I'm like, hey, dude, I'm just letting you know that was not me. I'm like, I had nothing to do with this, whatever. I did not put two and two together. That was now the only YouTuber I watch when I'm eating food alone. So depressing when you say that. Jesus Christ. And it's really funny because at the time when you did that in my head, I'm like,

Thanks, bro, I gotta make him think I'm busy I'm gonna wait 30 seconds With work yeah But now we're here

Now we're all the worst for it. Yeah, exactly. So what podcast are you most excited for? Dude, listening to you, I'm super excited for Papa Meat and your shit. Like that first video coming out the gate, just swinging. Thank you. That is an internet classic with the stairs. Yes. And if you haven't read it, have any of you read that creepypasta? I didn't read it, but I watched the podcast. I can't read. Thank you.

Sorry. Okay. Which one? I knew that. The Stairs in the Woods? I haven't seen the Stairs in the Woods one. You gotta watch this thing, man. It's actually pretty good. Okay. Are you familiar with the concept of the Stairs in the Woods? Like the horror stories around it? Not really. I've seen it in passing. I'm not familiar with the lore, though. Creepy as fuck. You're gonna do a way better job. It is, because when you read it, especially at that time, No Sleep was that weird in-between. Now No Sleep is just...

It's mainstream. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The subreddit at that time, 2010, 2011, 2012, that shit was like, you're like, this is a real story and they base it off. It feels like a very authentic story of how it's told. Yeah. Well, one of the, uh, one of the rules of no sleep is that however, whatever format the writer chooses, it has to make sense why the story ended up on the subreddit.

So most of them they'll have someone at the beginning like hey I'm coming to the subreddit to post a weird thing that happened to me and they launch into it It's also the reason a lot of them end really poorly where they're like if anyone finds this message, please Upload it to r/nosleep and it doesn't make any sense But but some of the good ones can incorporate is like someone who's trying to figure out what's going on asking for help, etc So basically the concept of the stairs in the woods. It comes from

I believe the username on Reddit is user/searchandrescuewoods, who I've since spoken to. She's a very cool author, very cool person. But basically, the concept behind the Stairs in the Woods is if you spend a lot of time around the lore, the horror stories of the forest, like I'm from Appalachia, so that's what I'm familiar with, but it applies to the Rocky Mountains, where have you.

There's people who have lived in there for a long time who even if they don't expressly believe in the supernatural or things that go bump in the night, there's typically some level of

the unexplained that they've come across, right? Ask anyone who's grown up in the mountains and they have some story of a noise that didn't sound quite right, something they ran into. - Speaking of noises real quick, can I swap out your chair with one of these that's not squeaking? - It was doing the same thing to me. - I thought it was kind of cute. - I was like, I'm fucking gonna kill both of them.

While we're doing a brief intervention on it, it reminds me of an SF guy that I knew growing up. Thank you. He used to do all sorts of night vision, thermal shit in Appalachia, in the mountains of North Carolina. And we said, hey, we're thinking about getting some night vision. We just want to see what's in the woods up in the mountains and he's just like,

No, you don't. And then he walked away. What the fuck does that mean? Would you like to explain? No. Okay. There's weird stuff. Everyone's got stories. Everyone's got just like things that happen to them. The ones that I remember as a kid, or one of the reasons the stairs in the woods resonate so much with me, is kind of like structures you come across that don't make sense. Like, for example, a lot of the area in Appalachia has got like...

Thank you Eli. Who would have thought? I spy something green. A lot of the regions in Appalachia

Like there were old homestead... Go ahead. No, I'm kidding. I'm just playing. Like old homesteader settlements and stuff like that. So like it was houses made out of wood, but they had like a rock chimney. So the evidence of the house would be completely gone. You're walking through the woods and there's just a giant chimney.

in the middle of the forest. - Yeah. - Stuff like that will happen. I remember coming across a door at a park when I was a kid, just a door set up in the middle of the woods, just no other evidence of a structure around it. Just weird stuff like that. - It's the old country towns? - Like on hinges and everything? - Yeah, like it was on a frame just setting up. I distinctly remember like the deteriorator, but you could tell it used to be like a gold knob on it, just middle of the woods. - I grew up in Fayetteville, North Carolina, so. - Thank you. - That's Monsters, Inc.

Mike Wazowski's out in Florida. No, no, no, no, no. I grew up in Fayetteville, North Carolina. That was just like evidence of a crack house that burned down. That too, that too. What is creepy when you're in like, Indiana's a good example out in the cornfields, but when you drive way out there with like the Amish, you will find just straight up

Old abandoned like chimneys at that point there was like 100 200 years old so you're like what the fuck is this doing? Yeah, the woods so it's just a strong structure to survive pretty much. Yeah pretty much Yeah, so they had like and then you yourself just say ghost and that's some her errors out there building those The brick is done

Oh, okay. And then it's over. They had the white people build the parts that didn't last. He's got you there.

But like in the stairs, the whole story around it, the title is I'm a search and rescue officer, just describing weird stuff they've come across. And a lot of them are like not related to the stairs in the woods, but the takeaway everyone remembers from that story is the writer mentioned sometimes you'll be out in the woods, like when you're far off from the trails, like 10, 15 miles out, you'll just come across a set of stairs in the woods.

Sometimes they're small stone, sometimes they look like they belong in house. There's stories of opulent ones you'll find out there. They don't make any sense, but everyone knows to stay away. And that's one of the main premises that lays the groundwork for the story. So everyone, and I think one of the reasons the story was so successful is because people saw that and a lot of people like me were like, that's weirdly familiar.

That's like nostalgic almost. I remember something kind of similar to that. So the story has a lot of other elements, a lot of other horror elements, but the stairs in the woods is the part that most people remember. I'm not a huge fan of the other horror elements they built into it, but like the stairs in the woods just as a theme was weirdly familiar because I think it's something that's just like it's so specific. And everybody just kind of remembers. Even if you don't remember specifically, you know that you're like, okay, I feel like I've seen that.

Yeah, you can almost picture it like it's a memory of sorts. Like, yeah, yeah, that's happened. What's that called? It's almost like the Uncanny Valley, but for...

Yeah, yeah. It's like there's something in your mind that's like, I know that it's not right, but it's still there. Even if it's not supposed to make sense, it's there. And the first couple of chapters, what's really cool is there wasn't much paranormal activity attached to it. It's just like, don't walk up the fucking stairs. We don't know what happens. Hey, just stay away from it. And that's how they just

Build the entire story and it's a few chapters before it gets like to that you want recently to huh? No, this is based off of when I read it. Really? Oh no shit I read it back back in the day like Ted the camera you read that so I just want to point this out. You're all fake fans There's reason he's sitting next to me sorry

I think the last three podcasts we've done, we bragged about Wendigoon. Oh, yeah. That's so sweet. Just talking about how good you're doing. Aw. There's a five-minute segment there where we're like, our friends are doing so good right now. I'm sorry I want my son to succeed. Your son's doing so... You must be a proud father, Brandon. You know what, Dad? I'd just like you to call Dad, please. B+. Oh, man.

They say his heart grew three sizes that day. Your own son was like, eh, you get a plus. I thought I was going to go to 18. We'll talk about it. We'll negotiate. Hey, fuck you, man. He doesn't slide you on the scale at all. He's just like, eh, you get a plus.

Yeah, you're still there. You could imagine him being hired, but he's not. You're above all the other guys in B-tier, but you're not in B-tier. He just slides your picture over. Dude, I had, after the podcast you guys did last time, I had so many people in my comments for like a fucking month afterward. B-tier Brandon. I'm like, fuck you, dude. I don't know.

Someone saw a picture of me and then he made a comment like, oh, is B-tier there? Yeah, no, he didn't help put it on or anything. He was just there. He was present, I guess. I think I saw him, yeah. No, but for real, guys, I really appreciate the praise. It's none of my doing. I'm very blessed to be where I am. Couldn't have done it myself, but it means a lot from friends. Well, you're a dirty fucking liar. Yeah, exactly. Thanks. That's also how I respond to my friends. Yeah.

To say that it's none of your doing is a dirty fucking lie. Because you are one of the best storytellers that I have ever known. I appreciate that. That means a lot. I like them. I like them. I just like to tell them.

But you had asked about the two podcasts. That's Creepcast going well. For future episodes, we're planning to cover a lot more horror stories, old creepypasta-related stuff. What's the next one, real quick, just to hint at it? What's the next one going to be about? Well, we're discussing, we're recording it Monday. Me and him have been texting about which one. We've got like five lined up. It's just order. At some point, I want to cover some of the classics that are bad.

looking back, one's like Jeff the Killer, right? That as a kid, I'm like, this is the scariest story I've ever read. I'm like, I haven't looked at it in 10 years. What if we read it, like, live to each other? Like, how would that go? So, stuff like that, yeah. So, Ted's an asshole. Do you guys have... That was fucking hilarious, dude.

Have you guys listened to the Ted the Caver? Oh yeah. Yeah. He's just like a bro. Not warning anyone about anything that's happening. Wow. I saw a demon goat child in there. That was weird. Better not tell my friends. Come on, man. You want to go first? Quick, throw the dog. Throw it, B. Whip. Whip. Whip will go. Man, the dog came back traumatized. Better go deeper.

And then the other show we're doing, The Red Thread...

is like looking at stuff like conspiracy theories, cults, true crime, stuff like that. The way that in my mind they're differentiated is like, so with the red thread, like the idea of the red thread on like a conspiracy pin board, like tracing the lines from different stuff, making connections. It's kind of like taking these big cases or stories, piecing them together, see what fits, what theories are. And the thing that...

I'm trying to do with Hunter over on Creepcast is more so like narratives, like stories, stuff that inspires. Because like the thing that I've always respected a ton about Meat Canyon is he makes like goofy videos, right? Like the premise is a joke or whatever. But then you're two minutes in and you're like, this is a...

this is a scary, like well-written horror story. Like you did one about, I forget what the setup was, but the monster was Bob the Builder. That was like, yeah, the Japanese thing in the forest. And at first you're like, ha ha, Bob the Builder. But then it's like, the reason I've killed your wife is because you didn't respect the house you had. And it ends with him like, every day I break my house board by board waiting for it to return. I'm like,

that was an impactful horror story about a Bob the Builder snake. Like, it's so weird. It's terrifying, too. Yeah, and like, he's such a great writer that I want to like talk about stories with him and like do that. So that's kind of like, in my head, that's what differentiates. Some people are like, couldn't you technically cover one concept on the other to the other? And that's true. But for me, it's like,

the puzzle or the narrative those are the two like my two answers so and you guys you bounce off of each other because as you're saying it's hunter is really good in a five minute window he can he can tell a three-story arc and it's insane to be able to do that as well and captivate the audience and then terrify them because at the same time you're like

Like, what the fuck? It is creepy. It's terrifying. And it's done in a five-minute segment with Bob the Builder. And then you, you're that narrative piece that's, you're watching and then you break it down like your Blood Meridian story. And it's really cool to see both your dynamics. I always say, both ends of the spectrum when it comes to that. I appreciate that. Thank you. It's also interesting to see you bounce off of each other because, like, legitimately, you are two of my new, like, favorite creators. Aw, yeah.

And like to see you bounce off of each other and bring up unique perspectives that I haven't seen before. Or maybe that the other haven't, you know, thought about entirely. Like, yeah.

hunter redefining that story of you hunting for that body oh my gosh you know how every comment i just like open youtube for a second and everyone's like hey you're doing okay buddy you're gonna find that body don't worry like people are okay did i did i do you all know about that story you didn't watch the episode so you don't know about that story i'm sorry you're surrounded by fake fans i we've yeah yeah yeah no please yeah yeah fucking

There wasn't a fight to see who wasn't going to be on this episode. No, that actually happened. We literally did. I was going to sit this one out, all four of us staring at each other like... We were all kind of like hand on carry gun. Like, are we going to like...

I wouldn't be with Wendigo. No, I wouldn't be on Wendigo. That was actually like insanely encouraging to me. Whatever. Because like I said, y'all are guys that look up to respect. And then... Why? Shut up. Eli or Brandon1 texted me and was like, no one's backing out, so we're all going to be there. I'm like, oh.

heart like that's so sweet I appreciate it I appreciate it so yeah the dead body meanwhile the high speed guys back here only got two hosts man at least they brought in everyone else from there

Hey, fuck you guys. Hey, I would have been here. I would have been here. I don't know what their problem is. Shout out to Ballistic Heist. These are great dudes. Dude, I couldn't wait to not talk on their podcast. Your presence of not talking on other people's podcasts is so nice. You sum up everything Cody said. It's one podcast. It's fucking great.

Every time we have a podcast without Cody on it. And so, Cody, and just cut to blank screen. Okay, yeah, cool. Donut here, and it goes back to everything. I'm not voting for you so hard. Understandable. Have a nice day. Way more sense.

Oh my God. But going on to your other one, first off, it is Hunter and you. It's the opposite ends of the spectrum, which is great because you have your, you're like G Willikers and Hunter is the exact opposite of G Willikers.

You have a Sunday school teacher versus I have a sponsorship with Bad Dragon Dildos. Chew into the spectrum right there. Yeah, yeah. I did think about that when we started. I'm like, these are going to be some funny sponsor conversations. Bad Dragon. Bad Dragon.

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I just want to be just unnatural for two minutes. Just show his face for two minutes straight. I'll put my mouth talking over his. When I think Adam and Eve, I think window goof. My new collaboration, holy water based lubricant.

He just gets up and leaves. He's like, no. I'm not Catholic, so that one's fine. That's true. God damn, how much can you fit in a Ted's cave? The power of Christ will compel you. You want to fill Ted's cave? Well, here's the thing to do then.

Does anybody want to go to church tomorrow? We're going to call it the "Sprlunker." He's like, "I hate all of you as much as one can hate..." Get him the squeaky chair and bring it back. Love you guys.

Subscribers going down. But I'm always critical. There we go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I have a great time with those guys. Like Charlie gets like flack sometimes because people are like, oh, he's not, he's like not opinionated. He doesn't like talk so much. It's because Charlie's just like the most like half

just he's like yeah I'm good life's good I don't have a lot of problems with anyone just nice guy and talking to him he's like super legitimate kind person like been very cool to know him as well I will say I'll tell them a little bit in the last podcast we did we covered

unsolved can I say the word for offing yourself wait you guys have swore like 800 times yeah yeah yeah sewer slide it was an official sewer slide that has connections to like money stop using these fake words or I'm going to kill myself laughing

Yeah, so it's about an official suicide from the 70s that was connected to money laundering rings and all this stuff. And as we get into the podcast, we're like, no one was ever convicted, but there are...

are some people who maybe might be implicated, some business families, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, I'm not going to say it because that's still a successful family and I'm not going to mention it. And then Charlie's like, no, I'm good too. And then it goes quiet for a bit and Jackson's like, I live in New Zealand. The two families are the... And he just says them. And we laughed and made jokes. After the recording over, Charlie was like, we were talking afterwards, he's like...

So are you guys worried about implicating their names? I'm not, I'm not. But if you guys are, I'd understand that. Do we want to cut it? Let's cut it. Let's cut the names out of the episode. Totally not worried, but... But... 100% can cut these. We're cutting these. To be fair, you could probably Google that, given the information. Sure, yeah, yeah. It's like public records and all that stuff. I just don't want to get sued is the only thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my one hang-up with it. Which I've made some videos before where I'm like...

but we'll see. My favorite thing about Charlie is the iceberg community. They really hate me. I like Charlie a lot. He's actually a really chill dude. We've hung out with him in person. He's cool as fuck. My favorite thing about him, though, is that he makes me look tall, which is very rare. Yeah. He's looking jacked, though.

Yeah. He's looking jacked. Really? Yeah. Oh, you don't know that? He's pretty rough. He's been like pumping iron. He always has, I thought. I don't know. I'm pretty sure he has that. I'm pretty sure he has that. He's short. Cody right now, everyone. Ever.

Everyone at the thing, they're like, Cody's so jacked right now. I was like, he stopped drinking for 30 days. He wears such loose clothing. I didn't know. Like, is that an actual thing? No, yeah, he's jacked. I think he went to college for like physical training or something like that. No shit. Yeah, no, he's pretty ripped. He's pretty hot. Yeah, he's hot. Love you, bro. Unironically, like, that's cool. Yeah, yeah. No, that was the thing. Jesus Christ. Well,

Okay, so speaking of being sued, if we can talk about it a little bit, the Blood Meridian thing, you didn't get sued over that, right? The Blood Meridian thing? Yeah. I got sued over Blood Meridian? No, no, no. You didn't get sued, right? But didn't they try to take the video down, like the family of the dude? Cormac McCarthy? Yeah, Cormac McCarthy. Weren't there some problems with that going on? They didn't try to take the video down, to my knowledge. I did. So after that video came out,

McCarthy. I think you might be thinking of another video. I thought they took it down for like a day or two. I don't think the family did. Unless I'm seriously misremembering. The publication or something? Yeah, the publication tried to take it down. What drama did you have with the book that took something down? Reverse this because you guys were like, but didn't they? I think he would know first and foremost.

Are we having a fucking... They can gaslight me into it. I think it'll work. Yeah, they're gaslighting me. By the end of it, I'm going to be like, I'm going to court. I'm taking it down. You're in court. It's like, I'm supposed to be here. I don't know. Brandon and Cody said I was supposed to be here. Is this like a Chick-fil-A Mandela effect? Because I remember they took your video down for like a day or two.

Maybe YouTube did for the content because I was talking about like... Graping. Like, graping, like, murdered people and stuff because that's one of the stuff in the book. Maybe it went down a couple... I think that's what happened. It got, like, age-restricted by YouTube for, like, a couple days. And then I argued that it was cool and then they put it back.

That's awful phrasing. I argued that graping was cool. And then they agreed. I remember I said in the thing, I'm like, this is literally just a historical thing. It's educational, blah, blah. And they put it back up. I think that's what it was. It did have an effect on the McCarthy estate in a good way. Because when I made that video, Blood Meridian shot to number one on the Amazon bestseller list for like three days straight.

I bought it because... Oh, really? Oh, that's awesome. Brandon and I both bought the book. That's fantastic. But we listened to yours first and then got the book and wanted to... That's cool. Did you read it? Yeah, yeah. It's very drawn out. Yeah, it is. It is. Your version was way better. I genuinely appreciated your version of Blood Meridian more because there were several things like campfire scenes and shit that I did not read that deep into. And your breakdown of that...

I was like, oh shit, dude. If I was just casually reading this, I would have blown past that. I didn't get the deeper meanings.

There's been a few times, especially with books. I think last time I was on the show, I talked about like The Road and stuff like that. But like with Blood Meridian, it was one of those moments I remember reading it late at night. And I just like I got so into it. In my mind, I picture like I'm there at the campfire. Like I can see them around me. And like as I read the dialogue, I'm like the gravity of what's being said sets in. It really, really pulled me in. Yeah.

But man, I love that book so much. The antagonist is the most terrifying person ever. There are several times we'll be out, we'll be doing shit or whatever, and I'll just go to Cody like, I will never sleep, I will never die. My video is kind of cheating a bit. I feel like I robbed people a little bit of some of the nuance to him because I actually just explained it. But when you're reading the book...

And it's describing the stuff involving like the children or whatever. It is so, because the book is so, what's the word? Metaphorical in a lot of senses. It will talk about the sunrise and it will be like,

the great red hell that set over the landscape that ignited fire on the earth. It's stuff like that. It's very beautifully done. And then as they start to describe some of the travesties that are happening, it's done in a similar tone. And there's a part of you that's like,

Did that actually happen? And as more and more evidence of it accrues, you start to build in the back of your head. So, like, spoilers, right? Even how it ends is like, what? Are you good over here? No, I'm laughing over here. I'm like, I'm trying not to smile on camera. I'm like, I'm watching a Wendigoon video in real life. Dude, I can hear you talk.

and I'd be like, I'm happy with this. If this podcast was eight hours, I'd be like, I appreciate that. That's very kind. You don't want any of the nuance from me. To this day, I still don't want to be great by a giant albino. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll be at, oh, dude, we were at, I think Red Hot Chili Peppers concert. Donut doesn't want that.

in San Antonio with the bartender, we were like, he's lying. We know that. We were at a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert and the bartender where we were at, I'm like, he looks like the judge. Like, I'm glad I didn't invite my son. Is there an outhouse around here? Oh my God, bro, that ending, oh, it terrifies me. It terrifies me so much. Like,

Yeah, so what I meant by robbing and stuff is the nuance of him being a p***hole, right? Yeah.

The way it's described is it will describe the judge. There's a scene where it's a storm and he's naked on the roof of the building reciting Greek epics or whatever. And then there is a clause that says, "The next day a child was missing in the village." The gang gathers their caravan together. It's like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. What does that mean?" And I didn't put it together until the third or fourth time and I'm like, "Oh no."

And I start to think about what the implication is. And then you remembered what the Greeks were known for. And then you... So you really start to see it come together because he's at a campfire one day and he's like got this kid. Oh my gosh, yeah. And they come back and he's already like snapped their neck or something. He's scalping them. Yeah. And then one of its... Nonchalantly because it was a talk with one of the other guys. Yeah. But it's never explicitly mentioned. Yeah.

Yeah. But it's always associated. Toadvine comes back and he sees that he's killed a kid and Toadvine levels a gun at him. And the judge is like, funny that you would do this now. After all the murder we did back in the village, after the thousands you say, this one, this one means something to you. And Toadvine thinks about it, uncocks the gun and walks away. Because he did. Toadvine is a hypocrite in that respect. He just got done slaughtering a village. But oh, because I was around this one for a few days, his life is special. Although in this respect for the unsub audience, if you've never watched...

his video on Blood Meridian, or if you've never listened to Blood Meridian or read it, please go read that book. It's very fucking good. It's a good book. We don't have to spend the whole time on it, but I really like that book. It's like...

Yeah, I think about it a lot. There's a few stories I read that come back to me in moments when I'm thinking about writing, thinking about stories, and I think about the judge a lot, like just what he represents, how powerful of a figure that is in the world. It's interesting. I love good stories. I listen to that right after your breakdown of Paradise Lost. Mm.

And so like that was particularly... That's interesting. That's a good step because yeah. I think I mentioned it in the video, but the judge was a combination of Satan from Paradise Lost, his like mannerisms, his idea of pride in his position. And I forget his name, but the antagonist from Heart of Darkness, which if you've seen... Colonel something or other...

Yeah, if you've seen Apocalypse Now, it's an adaptation of Heart of Darkness. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Yeah, yeah. So the one who all in the head, that whole thing was the inspiration for it, which leads me into kind of my theory that the judge, while literal in the events of the story, is more representative of the devil of the world, of what's happening around them.

Because really, it's... I just said I won't spend the time talking about Blood Meridian, but I do want to say this. It's fascinating. Listen here, I don't want to talk about trains. Trains are fucking dumb, okay? At least I didn't get the train kind, right? I can profit off of this kind.

to cover for Mud Meridian. It's so good, though. Did you see the post in the subreddit? Which one? Somebody said the only reason that the symbol for autism is a puzzle piece is because they couldn't figure out which train to use. How did we become like the fucking magnet for autism? I know. Geez, guys, I don't know. I don't know. What's on the walls? What's on the walls?

Dude, all I'm saying is the unsub charity for autism. Hey, we're crushing it when we do it. I like how we actually do charities for autism and we crush it. Whenever we decide to do a charity, we'll crush it.

We've done one, now we're going to do another. I got the design already. It's just going to be the train from Rudolph with the square wheels. That's it.

- Autistic kids are gonna be so mad. They're gonna be like, that's not how this works. This doesn't work like this. - Sign language intensifies. - Shirt's very comfortable, the wheels are wrong. - Reviewed on that. - Oh God.

Thank you. So you and Charlie's content, what is that one? How are you leading that one? Typically, I say really the show in essence, Jackson is the main go-to showrunner on it. The guy from New Zealand? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's on the official podcast. Super cool guy. Jackson's actually the one who reached out and was like, me and Charlie want you on.

The official podcast has their own channel now and they're doing like branch out shows the red thread being one of those but Jackson like sets up the documents what we'll all like in unison pick out a topic and he's like cool and you don't hear from him for like half a day and he's like here's a 14 page dissertation about the players the people involved and all that and it's like cool so then like

I'll run it through my research channel, see if there's anything to add, stuff like that, and then we go for it. But Jackson does the editing, he does most of the compiling. That guy's the GOAT, really putting the show together. Was that a pun? GOAT man. That guy's the GOAT?

I will say there was one of those where you are because you you mentioned you kept saying over and over again I think it was like one of the three places that the goat man was originating from and lore was Denton, Texas. Yeah. Was it Texas? How far is Denton from here? I googled it. Wait a minute. Hold on. Or forever. I don't know. Texas is fucking enormous. That's true. Dude my district is like seven hours from like end to end. I

Because I brought my family down this time. I Googled. I was like, how far from Mason City, Iowa to Texas is what I said. And I was like, eight hours. Oh, we're driving. I'm driving here. It's going to be way cooler than flying. And then I was like, wait, hold on. How far from Mason City to San Antonio? 17 hours. Over half the trip here.

It's fucking dumb. Welcome to the party, pal. It really hits you when you're watching the news and they're like, there's a current conflict in Ukraine, which is the largest country in Europe. It's almost the size of the state of Texas. That was front of the fucking news. Almost. Almost. One of our 50 states. Jesus Christ. This country.

You ever see Texas fit into Alaska? That's a fucking wild map. Texas is like three Texas's for Alaska. It's fucking ridiculous. Alaska is a big ass bitch. It's no, Alaska is huge, but it's also like trying to contextualize European countries into like American states. Cause you have like, uh, I think it's the UK, uh,

As an, like, Britain, I think, the entire island, what fits into the size of Michigan? Yeah. It's roughly the size of Michigan. Pussies. No, no, that's why I mean. You bunch of bitches thought you could take us? Really? They went from 75% of the world to Michigan. That's how bad they got me. They took over the entire world for its spices to use none of them?

Yeah. That's why I get annoyed when the annoying kid from class is like, America needs to do a better job of public transportation like Europe does. It's like, well, I hear worried about Michigan, not fucking, it's the entire continent of America. You know what I mean? It's like, it's like,

Different scale of a problem for getting trains everywhere. I saw one one fucking meme the other day was like a Taco Bell in the middle of nowhere It's like the European mind cannot comprehend Nick can make a whole podcast of the arguments he gets in with kids in his college class. I fucking love it Have you heard that's all my patreon is?

It's just me shitting on college kids. It's great. I thought that was your only thing. Watch me fuck these college kids. It's a different kind of segment. His wife is just shaking. Who do you think has to listen to me lose my shit in the basement all day?

That's okay, honey. It's okay. That's pretty much it, yeah. Have you heard any of his... Because Nick will go hard on these kids. They will send in a thesis or whatever. Somebody has to do it. And you just dismantle it. Right now, it's World War II history class. And pretty much the whole class is like three graded papers. But other than that, it's just graded discussions with one talking point. And it's like the scope of...

What some of these kids think in college is mind-blowing. But I would say over half of high school kids right now or like new college-age kids in America believe that America used nuclear weapons when we didn't have to for fun just because we wanted to know if it would work. They have never heard of the Holodomor. They think that communism is awesome. It's never done anything wrong.

What else? I don't know. It's pretty much just trash. It was wild to me. My first big trip to D.C. with all the small things I have going on, being in a bar with people talking about communism in a positive light in the capital of the United States. I am not fucking kidding you. It was the bar that Obama was famous for taking a huge drink of the beer out of. That photo. Okay.

Across the street, if you exit the bar, you're staring at it, is the Holodomor Memorial. That wasn't real communism, though. Oh, exactly. It's not real communism. Today we're going to talk about it. Today we're going to talk about it, Nick. It'll be different when I do it, guys. It works out every fucking time. It's going to be different this time. It's weird, like the Holodomor, like basically the Holocaust, but for Ukrainians that nobody talks about. Yep.

Because it's communism. There was, like most people don't, everybody thinks of like concentration camps. They just talk about Auschwitz. Auschwitz was like one of, one of the few in Western Europe. There was more concentration camps in Eastern Europe than there was in Western Europe, period. By far. By far. Like it's not even close. What was the, Dachau? I think it was one of the big ones. I,

I don't know the specific names of them. Dachau was third biggest, if I recall right, second or third. I remember it because there was a video I did related to a battle at the end of the war that was right next to Dachau. So yeah, that one was in Austria. What battle was it? So you and Nick can fucking

The battle of Castle It. I can see we're going to be quiet for a minute. Castle It. Yep, yep. I made a video about it. It's a great story. It's fantastic. I'm nervous to make it. You're the only person on the podcast that just actually lifts weights, so like...

This is carrying the weight of the silences. Joe, you over here, bench press in silence? What's your max bench? Silence. Your max bench is nine minutes of not talking? No.

So let me ask, why are you afraid to make the itter video? Because the amount of nuance required to be able to say things like, hey, there was this time where America teamed up with

Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got you, I got you. Because I want to see your take on it. So I did the video. Well, this is interesting considering current events. Shut up. Don't look to your left. Don't look to your left. I'm pretty good at this on this show. No, no, no. I know. Don't you fucking batty me.

I just focus on you. You get straight right now. I can almost hear his voice. Did you just say I had a bad take?

So, when I was explaining it, I didn't get a flag for this, and I do think this is the historical context. At the end of World War II, Germany had exhausted the majority of its fully-aged, trained fighting forces. Like, this was in 45. They were throwing whoever they could, like 15-, 16-year-old kids with rifles out into the field, right? So...

The difference, and what differentiates ITER so much, is the Wehrmacht, which was the army effectively, was composed of children, fighters who were raised in the schools of the Third Reich, pushed onto the fields. And the SS was made up of the officers who ran the Dachau concentration camp. The officers realized...

that they would not be favorable in a trial after the war, so they were going to fight to the last man. But several soldiers of the Wehrmacht realized that the Americans weren't just executing prisoners and they could probably surrender. So a Wehrmacht officer who was effectively leading an army of high schoolers or a station of high schoolers realized that maybe he doesn't want them to get killed over nothing, so he surrenders and goes to the American side

And there was a prison, Castle Litter, I mean, you know the story, nearby Dachau where the SS guards

were planning to attack. So, well, they had just evacuated it. Wehrmacht general gets the, or officer gets the Americans to go help. SS comes to attack and the Wehrmacht helps the Americans get the prisoners out of the castle. Yeah. I think as long as you play into the nuance of like, because it's not saying, you're not saying in that, that like, oh, Germany wasn't. As you explain this, could you shift your chair closer this way? Do I know you? You're starting to hurt my feelings. Like, man, he turned it.

He did 48 minutes talking to everyone. Now he's just shifted completely to them. You committed to the bit and I wanted to fucking sewer slide us. Ah, the whites are talking. Give them their attention over here. I was preaching about the Reich and I was about to talk to the whites. The browns, eh. You got me there.

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of Manscaped this holiday season. Okay, I do have a very funny story on that bit about my grandmother who is, she was a German, like, so my mother's mother was a German civilian during World War II. We know how grandmas work. You know what, never mind. Fuck you, Nick. The wheels are square, but they're there, okay? The wheels are square,

Fucking her. Yeah, castle litter. She was a German civilian during World War II, so she grew up. Her entire pre-teen years were during World War II. She's got some fucking wild stories. Amazing woman, genuinely so. But she also has had some influences later in her life that are very left-leaning, and so she likes to talk about Trump a lot. The thing going through my mind is like, Grandma, Oma,

You've waved in person to Hitler. You don't get to talk about who the next Hitler is.

Period. I love you to death. You don't get that privilege anymore. Oh, Hilo is looking so handsome today. His mustache on point. Fun's a nice man. It's like a meme. Have you seen the Jewish lady? She was like 90-something years old. The grandmama. She takes a shot. Yeah, she takes a shot. She was not a Jewish lady. No.

Oh yeah, but the woman, the German lady is... Yeah. I'm not going to do it here. Definitely more German than Jewish. Yeah, but like the grandson grabbed her arm and shoved it down. You hear an audible no grandma grabbing her hand. That's what happened. How I seen it. Yeah, I know. You see the grandson like the no grandma. No, no, no, no. The video cuts right there. It's just that moment of like, oh, he's the new Hitler. It's like, are you fucking with me? You

You were there for the first one. Continue on this story, though. So you have your different... Oh, no, no. I was at the end of it. My whole concern is just you have to actually have the nuance to be able to say, like, hey, there's...

varying grades of evil when it comes to Germans in World War II. Some of them were 16-year-old kids that didn't have a choice, and some of them were political radicals that actually believed in that shit, but you can't have opinions like that on the internet. The way you explain it isn't in such a way to say that Germany wasn't bad at some parts. It's to say that Germany was so wicked that they were using effectively meat for the war machine. Anyone who could hold a rifle was pushed to the front lines. During the Battle of Berlin,

There's stories of some artillery positions where the average age of the soldier was 14. Just absolutely horrific war crimes that were being committed. It's not to say that Germany wasn't so bad. It's that they were so bad that there were people in this position. Realistically, it wasn't like Germany was so bad necessarily. It's just like you have a thousand people in charge roughly at the time.

Yeah, the German government. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, of course. Everyone else is told Germany is in danger. Your homeland is being invaded. You have to protect yourself. Or you have to protect your homeland. It's a common lie that's been told as long as, you know, humanity has existed. Yeah, there's like a lot of people who like...

Like you said, several people who lived down in the country land were handed a rifle and told to march. They didn't know the gravity of what was happening. The people who do not get that excuse is the SS officers and people like that are responsible. So that's why I think the Castle of Iter would work, because there is that distinguishing. They had no excuse. They knew what was coming. You even get in the South during the Civil War, people think, oh, the South fought for slavery. It's like 4% of Confederate soldiers died.

Yeah, on... Like, 4% of the South. Yeah, on, like, the government level, yeah, definitely. But, like, when it comes to, like, the individual soldiers, the people who are watching, these guys couldn't read or write, most of them. They lived in the backwoods, yeah. I mean, it's like that with any war, you know? People are victims of some rich man's game. They're just pawns in a fight. Well, you look at... Man, this got Pink Floyd real quick. I know. But I love it. Because you get, like, what is the most death in the Civil War? It's like 60,000 in a single day. I think it was Antietam Creek or...

60 to 80,000 U.S. It was the most U.S. deaths ever happened in one day in war. It was like 60 or 80,000? I don't remember the exact number. It's almost like we have a nightmare break in our pocket. I think it was Antietam. Yeah, and it was like 60 to 80,000. And then you take that out. And that was the Civil War. That is our most bloody battle. Now you go over to Germany with what you're going with, like arming these 14 to 16-year-old kids. And both on Russian and German side. And then you have their battles, like Berlin.

or any of that. Horrific, horrific. You were looking at 20 to 40 million deaths, right? Like around before. I may be wrong about this. Stalingrad. Yeah, I may be wrong about this, but the total deaths of World War II in combat were 48 million. 20 of that was Russians, if I recall. And that's rough. These are really rough estimates, yeah. They're like, it could be 20 to 40 million Russian deaths. It's like you said, the meat grinder. They're just throwing bodies at the shit, no matter how old they are. Oh, the Russians in particular were...

Yeah, like three-fourths of their male populace was gone after war. Yeah, like the missing generation, so to speak. So many men died that it created. I mean, that's why, like, to this day, Russia's a massive, massive landscape. But there's entire, you know, hundreds and hundreds of miles of land that's just uninhabited because the population is so low because so many able-bodied men died during the war. Also, like, a lot of the land is uninhabited.

Yeah, yeah, that's it. That doesn't help. It was interesting to see one of the Australian YouTubers that came to our range day asked me, and I'm not prepared to answer this question because I don't look into this stuff, but he asked me how many people I thought lived in Australia. How many people do you think live in Australia? It's not that much. Because it's just around the coast. There's like 375 million people live in the U.S. How many do you think live in Australia? Big-ass fucking country. 40 million.

I'm cheating a bit because I think I've seen the statistic before so it's not getting across the level of like Gravity you want so I'm a fucking retard You know solidarity with Cody 39 million

Already know the answer. Okay. Well, yeah, it was it was super fucking low. It was like 35 million or something like that 28 mil or something. It's 28 to 35 Australia and Canada Major cities with most the population and the rest of its extremely rural which explains I think why they're so far left-leaning is because like the majority of the population cities and everybody else is just in the middle of fucking nowhere. Yeah, this

Yeah, it's 100% ass fucking blow. You've got two cities with all the voting power getting rid of guns and then some poor dude above the Arctic Circle can't defend himself against grizzly bears. Excuse me, sir, that's 44 years in prison. It's like, I need to defend myself against the grizzly. Right, that's shit. Especially Australia. Australia's the one land they're like, yeah, we can't do this. And I'm like, man, that is the one land I'd want a gun of any type. Well, everything in the countryside wants to kill you.

The emu war. I did use a gun against him. Yeah, Maxim's guns... Maxim's guns couldn't kill the emu. To be fair, emus are bullshit. I'm sorry. No, no, no. Growing up in the public education system of Alabama, I learned from two things in Australia. It's like, Quigley Down Under is a wonderful movie. And...

YouTubers from Australia are fucking pieces of shit. Science. Not all of them. Except for the boys. The boys are cool. But some. Okay, the boys. Sorry, Eddie. My bad, dude. The boys are fucking amazing. Wait, are we challenging them to a boxing match right now? Wait, no. We're going hard right now? We're going to beat the shit out of people? I'm down for this. You know what? If Eli takes a boxing match, I will too. Yeah, done. Done. Same. Boom. Boom.

Oh, we're just all signing up. The unsubscribed podcast hosts its own boxing match? I've never fought before. This will be exciting. Texas, Australia. Dude, I can't wait to see you do your first boxing match. Dude, I'm scared to learn boxing. One day I'm going to learn this. It's fighting. Like, fisticuffs is what they call it. I've never done it. I'm super excited for it. You've never done Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I've seen you fight before. You sucked at it. Yeah, I'm trash. That's terrible.

I promise you this. If you accept the fight, I'll do one. Oh, done. It's crazy you have the pro fight. You're the one with the record right now. I really want to tell my kids, I'm like, dude, I am a fucking technically undefeated pro boxer. According to the state of Tennessee. According to...

- Boxing. - Do what? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, according to boxing. - Absolutely not. - Why? - That's the one thing that my wife told me, like the creator clash thing and all that started up. She was like, whatever happens, you are not getting in a ring with someone. - Damn, why? - Dude, my mom. - Your wife sounds like she cares about you. - Yeah, it's just. - That must be nice. - What a loser. Yeah, my wife, what a loser, right? - Can Nick do a fight?

Can I do a boxing match? Are you okay with that?

Okay, cool. My mom's cool with it. Hey, hey, hey. We don't care about you. We can all die. Oh, I did. I forgot about that. I did my boxing match on your birthday. Oh, come on. Come say hi. Come here. Yeah. Come on. Say hi.

- Come over here. - Okay, calm and start cat calling. - Cody's dad's gonna beat the shit out of you. - Cody's dad's gonna beat you up. - Get over here, show me. Start flexing real quick. Joe, get in front, get in front. Go on the other side. - Get in there. - Cody, flip. - Yeah, come here.

There we go. And then lean down. There we go. Look at that. That's a big one. That's so cute. It's a baker's dozen. The audio listeners are like, I...

Must be cool. This is a great story. That's what you get for being an audio listener. What's the theme Aragon in the movie? Is Aragon in the book? It just shows the word Aragon. Cody's mom. These amazing humans over here. We love all of them.

I love you, Mom. I love you, Mom. You're awesome. Hi. There I was at the bar at 1.30 in the morning, and I met Cody's mom. It was pretty awesome. It was the best context, probably. Oh, that was your first time? Yes. Oh, man. At 1.30 in the morning. Dear God. Hammered. Did you shave that late last night? She's a really nice lady. Yeah, absolutely. And then I went to Denny's. You shaved again last night? Yeah. Are you just a breakfast human? Yes.

That sounds like a slur. Are you a breakfast person? Bro, speaking, I have a question that I wanted to ask. Okay. You. Yes, go right ahead. Are there any slurs for any cryptids? Yeah, so like Bigfoot, people call him Squatch all the time. Stuff like that. Does he not like that? Well, I mean...

Find out! Go in the woods, save her a lot, you'll be the first to know, don't worry. You're a Squanchy American? Hey, we're in a Squatch neighborhood. Dang. Oh my god, dude. Power the critical score, sir. Thank you, thank you. What a great question.

- What's a Squatch? - Like Sasquatch. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Bro. - Sorry, bro. - This guy. - Yeah, this guy didn't know the words on that train. - We're in a neighborhood with a size 15 shoe.

Oh, God. We're going to start talking about mud people again, Brandon? Jesus Christ. That was aggressive last time. Do you want to clarify what that means? No. Actually. Okay. He doesn't know mud people. He doesn't know I say I want mud people. Just out of curiosity. Mud people. We're going to give him a rundown. What's your Vegas odds that that is or is not a slur? It's all on Randall.

He's sweating right now. Do we want to do this? No, we don't. Please don't. We're going to tell him now. Just give me a short, like, what is it? So in Fayetteville, like down south of Fayetteville, we had Lumberton, which is like home to a lot of Lumbee Indians. And basically there were people that we would contract a lot of times for like sheetrock and shit, which is called mudding when you're on a job site.

And they were fucking good at it. Like, literally, they were, like, good tradesmen. We'd hire them all the time. They were like, we'd just call them the mud people. Like, oh, call them the mud people. And, like, people would call, like, and it sounds like a fucking slur. It's like, no, no, we're, like, complimenting them. They were good at their jobs, so we hired them. Aren't you running for office? To be honest,

When the live audience, I hear, Jesus Christ. I just felt all the air come back into the room after you explained that. Oh, thank God. I'm watching a train wreck. You hanged on every word of that. It wasn't getting better. You're like, oh, we're near where I live. There's this group of Native Americans. Watch this.

Look, I've already been through this cancellation gauntlet once. He just starts to like the most successful podcast there's going to be and it's like, oh, mud people. They're talking about mud people. He's like, I'm never going. We'll get a few episodes of that out before this comes out. So I'll just, I'll roll off that. Isaiah, serious question. What's your favorite slur? What? What?

All four mics go to his mouth. He's like, no, guys. I didn't ask. I want to talk about Blood Meridian. Squatch. Squatch. Squatch. Because I like Bigfoot. You're not getting these back, either of you. Give them here. I'll keep both. You don't earn them. No. Cody, hold these. My gosh. Oh. Oh.

Dude, people started talking shit about you online. Oh, can we talk about that? Dude, all of us were like, is that allowed to talk about him? I haven't heard, like, I did not know. I don't go on the Twitter, the X much. Unless I want to watch dead people, apparently, because that's my entire feed. I'm like, oh, man, I want to be happy. One scroll, I'm like, I've watched four people die already. There's a man being sucked in underneath a semi-trailer. That's so cool. I'm like, why Twitter?

Okay, what is your people decided to cancel you? Yeah, yeah. So I think, I don't know this, but I think it came as backlash. I won't get into the specifics. I mean, if you're online, you know who. Actually, it doesn't matter. Who cares? So I was in a video. If they made this podcast, it was one of us. We'll make the shit out of them. A friend of mine, internet historian. I'll kill you.

A friend of mine, internet historian, he makes a video that's under criticism, talking about plagiarism and stuff like that. I was in that video as a voice actor. I should clarify for the record, I was just a voice actor. I didn't help script do anything like that. So a video comes out, and then video comes under fire for plagiarism. So because I was like the lead guy in that, they...

We're like, oh, well, this guy, he's in on it. They're in cahoots. We got to get them. So people are just like... So Internet historian didn't get...

shit at all. Oh, he did. He did. He did. He's much, much worse than me. Much, much worse. Far worse than me. Was it a verb? So you... Okay, this is for reference. If you do not know how this works, all these guys, and I will account for everyone, they spend week to two weeks on each piece of video you're going. Maybe not Cody. Cody's like, I gotta watch this. I'm gonna do my research and break it down. You still spend like 24 hours to 48 hours. You just have a faster turnaround. Brown man did. Yeah. Yeah.

How do you say it like that?

And then he just fills in the gaps. But in general, everyone is doing a bunch of deep research unless we're working with somebody that usually we trust. I'm assuming that's what happened. You guys sent a script. When you send a script, you're like, I'm going to fucking, I got the time to digest this and break it down and make sure it's factual. It was a Caper video? The Man in K video about Floyd. Yeah.

Well, I forget his first name. Floyd, the guy who had the cave in Kentucky. Yeah, he laid there for like how long? That guy, yeah. Three weeks. Three weeks, I think. Not Ted the Cave Guy. Sorry. No, no, no. Okay. The other cave video. I'm sorry you're being typecast as the cave guy. Yeah. Is this the putty cave? Uh,

I think that was the name. There was some facts around that case that are kind of confusing. Like you found one cave, but didn't do well. So there's another cave, but something that connects. Some people use the names interchangeably. Some say one, but yeah, sure. It's in that wheelhouse, right? So I was in that. Now, I didn't do the script as far as the actual video goes. The way he set up the video is he had different characters. Several other YouTubers were in it as well. I was the main guy, though. Yeah.

They we each did like voice lines sort of like voice acting as if we're there So I had lines about like help I'm trapped my leg hurts get me out of here basic stuff like that Like I was doing the voice of the guy stuck in the cave So I didn't even see a script around like what he was saying the video. I was just reading lines like oh

"Ahh, it's cold in here!" And that was like the extent of what I saw in the video before. Is that your voice acting? Act your fight! "Ahh, it's cold in here!" I'm like, "Aw, man." "Aw, hell! Get that penis away from me!" Can you get his too?

Isaiah's my favorite human. I can't believe you came on this podcast. Honestly. He's never coming back. Anyway, so Internet Historian gets hit over that. He got way worse than me. And it was funny because he texted me after it happened. And he was like, I hope none of this comes back on you. And I'm like, pfft.

How could any of this come back on me? Yeah, ate my words on that one. So people were like, oh, this guy's also probably a plagiarist. Let's go through his stuff. So there was like a Reddit post from like, or sorry, Tumblr post from a few years ago. I used to like have a meme account where I would joke about like, oh, the ATF shot my dog. Or like, oh, when- Why did you point to me on that? What?

I don't know, I was just thinking about killing federal agents and I'm like, this guy knows what I'm talking about. - Congressman over here. - Retribution. - You're like, oh you're sinking me here, this is how I sink you, Brandon. - I'll be right back. - That's more booze.

I was trying to leave. Did you just have a drink swap? Oh! Mr. King Trout. With a hand off. With a save. Get right here. Face right here. This guy tried to not let me leave when he was talking about killing federal agents. As long as you're doing voice acting,

I'm Brandon Herrera and I approve this message at the end of all this political ad campaign voices. I think that'd be great too. On top of everything, tie me into a political campaign. I think that's what I'm using right now. Are you ready for it? No, no, no, no, no. Not like this. It's happening. No, no. Stop. I'm Brandon Herrera and I approve this message.

Isaiah's like, I am. I fucking hate unto you. I can't stand you. I will face that side of the table again. Yeah, but anyway. We're like right on the fucking hilt of him talking about like, oh, well, I never thought I'd be implicated in this one thing I appeared on. And then here you are like, oh, you want to go further? We can take it further. Have you heard of the mud people? Yeah.

- Isaiah's like, "Really? This is where we're going right now?" - What'd we say on the last podcast? Like, "Oh, if only the Japanese were just a bit hungry or 9/11 wouldn't have happened." - Jesus Christ. No, if they could aim better. - Do you want to hear last one, Corey? - No, no. - No, 'cause I know you know. - It's on the table. - No, I know you know. - You know that one? - What story? - About George Bush Senior.

What? About George Bush Sr. Oh, oh, oh, about, yeah, yeah, yeah. I explained how he was the only one that survived. Okay, all right, that's actually fine. That's actually fine. And then he steps in and goes, so you're telling me if the Japanese could aim better, we wouldn't be here? No, no, no, no. So if the Japanese were a bit hungrier, 9-11 would have been prevented. How does hungry relate to shooting down? The cannibalism part of that. If they would have ate George Bush Sr. You're running for office. What are you doing?

You sound like my consultant! That's the dirty secret! That's the dirty secret, he's running backwards. This is a man that really does not want to be elected. If he gets elected, you're like, "It was the will of God." So it's my cons- it's come to my attention that my consultant has not seen any of my content.

Has he not watched Fallout? I don't think so. I am holding bets on when he quits. It's like, it's just exciting to me because I'm literally watching a story unfold of like a human actually wearing plot armor. And it's just water off a duck. It's completely untouchable.

Just wait until the attack ads start because I guarantee you three quarters of them are coming from this podcast. And then you saying, I approve this message for every one of them. And congratulations, by the way, on about, let me guess, about half a million dollars worth of RNC money going toward promoting the Unsubscribe podcast. Yes.

You hear the phrase, on the record. This is on the record. You just said that. This is the official record. How deep are we into this? I'll see you guys on Fox News. I can't wait. This is going to be so much fun. Well, the only thing you can't say about me is that I'm not honest. True. Or a heterosexual.

I love my internet friends. When did you get me out of this episode? Can you just have it where you're talking to no one? You just see an arm go up. Oh, shit. When did you do a tear? I'm a big fan. Hold on. Can I get a picture with you? You can take the mic, too. Please, during the podcast. Yes! Yes!

Dude, I'm serious. I'm a huge fan. I fucking love this. Dale Gribble, ladies and gentlemen. Huge fan. Pocket time. I don't know how I recovered from this. Guns don't kill people, Hank. The government does. It's wild. I'm relieved to talk about me being called an alt-right extremist. You said federal agents being killed. That's what I said now.

Okay, okay. So like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I used to make jokes about like ATF, which I still do. I just don't do it in the same format. It's just not your background. Yeah, I used to make jokes about that stuff. I used to go by the name Boogaloo Boy, which is back when the meme page was there and stuff. Because when I started it, it was like, ha ha, Second American War. Woo hoo, we like guns and stuff like that. And then it became like... Second American War? Could you like...

manned on the house. Shut up. It was memes. It was jokes. I just want to know what you mean by that. Okay, anyway. B-tier, calm down. So, but what...

So like, as that became a thing I didn't want to be associated with, a bunch of grifters came in from actual alt-right stuff like that, I was like, "I just like guns, I'm not here for this." Oh, you guys are joking. I don't know. Oh shit. So you didn't want a guided tour of the Capitol.

Everything and you are the least worried about that's why I'll win. I told you it's plot armor also that may or may not age well You're getting assassinated I Just I just think it's a nice time to take a fucking convertible cruising down

in Dallas. I already brought that up to him. He's already designated who's doing his assassination breakdown video on his channel. Who? Did you think you weren't on the list? You picked someone besides me to do it? I will be. I'll be actually mad if that's what happens. If I don't get to cover your death, I'm furious. Yours is going to be weird because it goes live 30 seconds after it happens. Cody gets body cam. That's fine. He gets body cam. You get the unofficial story. Okay. I get the history breakdown.

Alright, that's a legal pact. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the Louisiana purchase. I just want the money from the merch. Exactly. Can we put the freeze frame of the impact on a t-shirt? Like, just...

That was like the Breakfast Club fist in the air. The congressional iceberg video is going to be so good. Oh, dude, if you want to do an iceberg video. Brandon Herrera's assassination? B-tier. Okay, hold on. To finish this. To finish this. I didn't even beat you.

- He got killed by 22. - You're flying down here. - He gets killed and I'm like, I've seen better. - You're like, bro, Reagan was like 85 and he didn't get killed by 22. What the fuck is your problem? - Boy's got a weak skull. - It'd be really funny if you died in like a laneway, like you got stabbed. It's like, we can't even market that.

B tier bleeds out like a bitch. That's a B tier bleed right there. That's a triple B right here. That was not the alliteration I was hoping for. B tier bleeds out like a bitch. That's good. Man, you're never losing that name now.

It's your fault, fucker. You're the one who keeps talking about it. I was going to leave it be, but no. You know what? I like it. I'm glad. B-tier Brandon. That was really funny to me. Because I was able to revisit that. I'm like, all right, this is, you know, long con. Maybe one day he'll get really popular, probably more popular than me, and then I'll be able to roast him for this. Yeah, yeah. Is that what this podcast episode is? Is this the long con? No, the long con was you coming to my shop. Oh.

I was able to like load a gun behind you. And you pulled the gun on me? Yeah, yeah. So, fucking B-tier. Yeah, yeah. First time I ever met this guy who pulled a gun on me as soon as we got into a locked room. You too? What'd he do afterwards? I wanna see if our stories are the same. Are these empty?

Okay, to finish this story, so quit being brought up. Hey, Cody, how's it going? People saw the old, like, haha, I hate the FBI memes. People saw that, like, I was making memes about, like, again, ATF, Waco, stuff like that. And they're like, oh, neo-Nazi. So then that's how that happened. And then people just started saying it. And, like, stuff happens on Twitter all the time. People will just, like, say...

I don't like this guy, therefore I think he's XYZ things. Would have left it alone, but I woke up Wednesday morning and I opened Twitter and I hit the search button and it's trending in the USA, Lakers game or whatever. Wendigoon. So I'm like, okay, and I click on it and the first one's a tweet that's like, Wendigoon is a neo-Nazare. I'm like, okay, for the first time I'm going to address this. I just made a tweet that's like,

Hey, everyone. I know we've had our fun, but no. So, yeah, that's what it is. But it was worth it because Cody, when I saw him Thursday night, like I walk, I'm like, Cody, and I start to hug him. And he's like, he's kind of like a little quiet. And he goes...

I need to hurt people that are mean to you. When you guys did that, I was on the range filming a video that was 10 of 10 for me. Thank you guys, by the way. When it's a baseline, I love it. I was filming a video and I just saw like Cody text the group chat. Do we need to hurt people? And I was like, I was unaware of any fucking thing going on with you. I was like, we're killing people for Wendy boy.

We're killing people for Isaiah. Let me clarify, audience, anyone who has said anything bad about me, I do not want anything bad to happen to them. I do. Stop. I'll go on the record. Fuck them. Preemptively. Preemptively. Don't use those cameras. Use this one right here. Do not say or harass anyone. Love not violence. You do what you like. No. Did you? Oh, I thought the cord fell out. I'm not your dad.

Okay, I'm sorry. Hold on. I apologize. I apologize. I have no idea what just happened. Can that even come off? What did you do? Don't be mean to people. Be Christ-like. Jesus loves you. Man. Jesus said, sell your cloak and buy one if you don't have a sword. Sell your cloak and buy a cloak? Is that what you just said? Sell your cloak and buy a sword. If you don't have a shirt, buy a shirt.

Matthew 715. When did you get in his lap? We went to Teddy's together last night. You don't want to hear what happened after that?

Guys, can I do a shout out real quick? Of course. I was at the skate shop earlier and Seth came by. He was an amazing person. He gave me his hat. He was deployed during COVID on the USS Nimitz. They were deployed for over 300 days. He said that our videos kept a lot of dudes from doing the

So sewer slides, sewer slides. Sorry. Shout out, shout out to Seth though, man. Thanks for, uh, thanks for being awesome. Seth. What was military? Navy? Navy. Yeah. But yeah, cause during COVID they weren't hitting ports. They, they, they were at sea for over 300 days. Pandemic. We're staying in the ocean. That's what they said. Yeah, exactly. And so every Navy man was like, what about the prostitute, sir? Like, no, it's COVID.

To be honest after like 200 days you're like maybe I am gay. Yeah It's not gay if you're underway buddy Cody looking real cute right now That's true Yeah what's changed? I hate everything

Thank you, Seth. Appreciate it. Cody's over here like, maybe he's looking submissive and realistable.

I gotta get out of here. I don't want to be a solicitor. I'm just like, oh, man, everyone right now. Cody, can I kick you more that way real quick? He wants you to switch back a little more that way. This way, Cody. Oh, yeah, just switch. Okay, and then I'll check camera angles. Anyways, I can't believe you fucking came on this podcast, bro. I was shocked. We were all podcast. Nick, kick your chair over that. There.

There you go. You never told me to get closer to Cody. Well, last time we were like, let's talk about video games and books, and now you're like, fuck, these guys are just drilling me on getting canceled. I mean, they're friends. Blood Meridian and Nazis. What's your favorite cryptid slur? Yeah, he didn't even say the cryptid part. He just said... If you could choose your favorite heroes, the judge or Hitler, which one is it? Oh, my God. If one cryptid deserves a slur, which one is it?

He's just playing with his watch. He's like, I'm going to make sure it's connected and then connect it. Have you ever seen Heather's Mothman? Oh,

Oh, yeah. The hoodie that she wears. Yeah. Quality. What's it say, Cody? What is it? I suck the Mothman's dick in West Virginia or something like that. And all I got was this stupid t-shirt. I'm like, stop wearing that around people. I'm going to start wearing that t-shirt. I sucked Tony Gonzalez's dick and all I got was the stupid fucking t-shirt. That's a good campaign shirt.

And I lost my gun rights. Do we have the same understanding of what a campaign is? Listen here, fucker. You're selling my campaign manager. I feel like Isaiah is like, I'm the smartest person in this room right now. No, no, not at all. I should not be here. I'm just the most scared. I just...

I'm shocked at how well your campaign's going. Me too. Yeah. Well, it's almost like people appreciate you for being honest and not putting it on the front. Yeah, being a real person. Yeah, that's fair. Also, having a politician that's not fucking 70 would be cool. Yeah. Yeah.

Not having somebody who's 75 and been fake for the last 50 years of their life is really cool. Understands how Wi-Fi works. Yeah. That'd be great. Maybe it's a good idea for the people that legislate what Bitcoin is and how it can exist, understand what Bitcoin is. That'd be fucking fantastic. I'm not going to lie to you.

So cryptids are fucking cool. I know, I was about to do it like, so, what is your favorite cryptid? That's actually a really good question, is which is one of your favorite stories you're looking forward to talking about with either Hunter or... I wonder what Wendigoon's favorite cryptid is. No, it could be something else. We don't know. It is the Wendigo, to be fair. Fuck you. Fuck you. Answer something else. Ask me what trade I worked in. Quick. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

You asked me when I first met you. That's true. I picked him up from the airport. I'm like, so what'd you do before you turned guy? So as far as tradesmen go, would you prefer skinnier fat? It was so awkward, man. I was just trying to like, I'm an introvert, like, like,

I try to make small talk, man. I pick him up from the airport and I'm like, "What did you do before YouTube?"

I was an electrician and Cody just goes, fuck. And then we sat in complete silence for what felt like seven fucking years. He sat in there and started going like, stupid, stupid. Internally. On that long drive to the podcast house. He's like, you fucked up, Cody. You're so stupid. You should have been so cool. Fuck.

I'm just gonna veer off into a fucking truck right now. So what about electricity? Fuck! Dude, the names that have come out of that are so funny, though. Out of the fat electrician? Yeah. Oh, God. There's so many. The ones that they're leaving the comments for. Chubby Electron Man. Dude, that's my favorite. Chubby Electron Man. Obese Power Ranger. Chubby Electron Man.

- That's a funny slur for electricians, power rangers. - Yeah, those have been pretty good. Don't reply to these. I want to so bad. Those are great, I love them. - Outside of the Windigoon, what else is one of your stories where you're like, fuck, this is fucking dope?

I've talked about a couple of my favorites so far in that Iceberg series I'm covering. So like Mothman, the Flatwoods monster, stuff like that. There's a lot of fun ones like the Hodag. The Hodag's coming up. That's a fun... There's like a little gremlin that runs around in caves. That's pretty fun. Well, it's crazy when you see how different cultures build out these creatures and then what they gravitate towards. That's what I like about them so much. There's very few that exist in isolation of anything. Like you can take any...

like legend like vampires for example right it's like vampires yeah we all know but the actual legend of those draws back from like old

old Middle Eastern beliefs around things that can remove the soul from someone else to gain its power. It also ties into early cults that would perform blood sacrifices, things like that. And then that mixes in with stories of counts who live in manors. And it's like, yeah, the legend of the vampire exists, but it is the end point of so many different stories and ideas that created this one mythos. And that's what's really interesting to talk about with cryptids. Vampires are real.

Yeah, that's what I said. God, what a... You're like, why are you just warping every word I take for it? You are a true politician. That's what I'm saying. Vote early, vote often. It's almost like I've been to D.C. I've been in the tunnels under the Capitol. So vampires are real, right? What did I say in this podcast that you're like a target? It was almost like B-tier four years ago. Oh, yeah.

Oh, I see what's happened. Fair, okay. Like Krampus. Like Krampus Claus is a terrifying figure. Krampus Claus? Or Krampus. Krampus Claus over here. But it's a terrifying figure when you actually read the lore behind it. And they would say that to children. It's like, this dude's going to fucking murder you,

Dude, German fairy tales are fucking wild. It's relatable, though. I brought my kids to the airport. They're one and two. Let me tell you. Where's this going? I would like a double-blind scientific study on the exact amount of decibels you're allowed to raise your voice in public where your kids get the message that you're serious, but also strangers aren't going to look.

That's what I want to know. It's different from you. What does that have to do with Krampus? We're talking about killing kids and you're like, I need to yell at him. Whatever. My children are gone now. Krampus took them. You threaten them with Krampus claws. Can we do that?

My kids are young enough to believe in Krampus their whole lives. She's so scared. I'm so sorry. She's brown. You're not even on camera. Just nod yes or no. Krampus was a brown thing. No, no. But for children, like where the Mexican community were like, fucking, you go outside. Chubicabra. Yeah. Something's going to kill you. Okay? So you behave or you die.

Roger dad, I don't know why I'm terrified of life, but okay. Yeah, it's interesting. A lot of like fairy tales were made for that specific reasons. Like the Hansel and Gretel classic ones like that. They were like, sure, culminations of things like witchcraft, paganism, stuff like that. But,

the effect of the tail was as a cautionary tale for children. Don't stray far from the village or the witch will get you. And there's a lot of legends that kind of tie into that lore. So a tail as old as time. I knew, as soon as you leaned into your mic, I was like, oh wait, was that a nice thing? Yeah, it was. I was like, he attacked you, you said something positive, he was like, fuck you, Brandon! I'm so on edge, I saw you and I was like, we're developing a muscle memory. You punch him and he goes...

Never mind you gave it over like it was all this time, okay? Yeah, no you fuck up. You know you get taken by the fucking goblin, but He's better fight he wants to fight Do you wanna fight you would take this outside? I'm gonna fight my fucking son

It normally takes you a couple more drinks than that. Those are the best ones. Dad, not anymore. He can usually smell dad before pain comes. Aw, damn. Dad smells weird. It's time to fight. Nah, fuck it. Dad has home field advantage with alcoholism.

You got wind of giving me like, what the? You came on this podcast willingly. When you got out of there going, what the? You said, that smells weird. And never coming back to that. What?

This is the one and only episode. It hurts me because you have one of the most infectious laughs in all of YouTube. It's so beautiful. As soon as you start laughing, I can't stop. I hate you so much.

I love you too, son. He's going to pray tonight. He's like, I sinned today, Dad. I've sinned so many times. He's going to lead it right now. I wanted to kill a man. I haven't felt this in a long time. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyways, my favorite slur is...

This is karma. For what, I don't know, but this is karma somehow. Bro. I have to have deserved this somehow. I did or will deserve this. Yeah, absolutely.

Was there a thought going or something? I don't know. It's gone now. It was. It was leading somewhere. I'm over here just thinking, like, I hate the fact that my parents watch this podcast. Last thing I remember is... What do you think I'm thinking right now? Your parents are in a live studio audience. I'm trying not to slur right now. They're right there. I don't want my dad to know I can fly. Guys, I'm coming. I'm coming.

I'm sorry. You know, sometimes you have to remember these are the best times. This is one of my favorite episodes of all time. Brandon, best job I ever had. Best job I ever had, man.

Okay, so I was trying to go towards more just the history on the cryptids. The cryptids and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, back to vampires and breadcrumbs and shit. Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. Thank you, thank you. Basically, there's a lot of stories. Any story at the end of the day, any folk tale, any legend is an echo of the cultures that came before it, the things that led up to it.

So, like, tales in the modern age, it's one of the reasons I love The Windigo so much, because it's a combination of all these different lores and beliefs that have been passed down for centuries. But there's so many stories that operate that way that's kind of like the nexus point between a lot of ideas. It's one of the reasons I love, like, a lot of modern internet horror so much, like,

the ARGs of the scary stories I cover because you'll see something that'll be scary, effective, or what have you, but the blueprint for it, it can be traced back to movies that existed. And then those movies came off of ideas and concepts in the realm of terror and then books and legends. And it's interesting to see how culture creates new content with these new blends of stuff that's been done. It's fascinating to look at a story from kind of a historic perspective.

Because it's hard before the age of internet and even television or radio even. It's like, how do you keep your kids in line? Well, something's going to fucking eat you if you go into the woods. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this was like the Wendigo. The Goatman is one of the scariest. I don't know why that story, reading it for the first time, the internet story, I'm sure you've read it. The Anasi Goatman? Ananasi Goatman or whatever? Yeah, when they're in the trailer and they're

Yeah, there's the cat noise let me in and all that. Yeah, and it's one of the most terrifying things. It's the idea of this monster or creature that is with, when you're with groups of people in the woods, it blends in and becomes part of the community and no one knows that it's there. So no one is like, oh, it's the extra friend at a party. It's your editor today. And I was like, ah, who the fuck is that guy?

You're like, I don't know him, but normally I'd be like, oh, it's Goatman. It's like a random guy at the bar last night. Yes, exactly. Nobody noticed he just incorporated himself into the community, but like, oh, he's here. Shout out to your editor, one of the most fantastic editors. AJ, love you. AJ, you are fucking crushing it. Crushing it, AJ. But that's what that Goatman story, it is. It's like, hey, they just have to adapt to a human. They are a creature, but they just adapt to fit in, and it is terrifying to read.

The Goatman himself is an interesting legend. I mean, we talked about it on the Red Thread, so I won't belabor all the same points, but the short version is the Goatman has pieces of Old Testament demonology tied into the first legends of the Goatman started arising in the 50s and 60s, tied into the Bible Belt culture of the eastern United States, and then it takes elements from a lot of the Native American legends around that. It's interesting to see Goatman as this

culmination, again, of all these different ideas. The one thing that's fascinated me, something I've been thinking about when it comes to stories and horror, is the concept of the mimic, right? So for example, there's a lot of

threads that are kind of easy to trace where they come from, right? Like for example, liminal tear or like think of like the back rooms-esque. The horror is it is an area that looks familiar but is completely alien. It feels like it's not supposed to exist but you've been there before. It's kind of like the stairs in the woods. It's a similar vibe and a different...

That's Mandela. That's a little different. You got it.

- You got the spirit. - Chick-fil-A's his rib, he's like, "Oh." - There's the letters. - The one before, I swear. - Chick-fil-A. - The rib? - How do you spell Chick-fil-A? - The rib. - I thought you said the rib. I'm like, women terrify you that much? - The rib. - The rib. - Ah, you got that, I knew you would.

It's always easier to derail a train when it's got square wheels. Just saying. But yeah, so stuff like that is easy to see because there's a... Oh, that's just loose.

Jesus Christ. It was a rattling on the metal. It was fucking... Look, it was loose. I knew it. It wasn't making that sound. I knew, but it wasn't... Speaking of square-locking wheels... I'm so sorry. I hate it. I was like, I just hear metal clicking. I'm like...

They just get up and leave this. I'm sorry. It's my fault. No more square wheels. This episode brought to you by autism. That's all episodes. The unofficial sponsor, actually. Anyways. Unofficially sponsored by autism? I mean, if you want to get technical. Christ.

Anyways, you want a beer? I'm good. I'll respect that limit, but that's the only one. Okay.

So like stuff like that, like liminal horror, whatever, you can trace to there was a lot of people, especially like people who are adults now who have kind of these memories of when they were growing up of maybe like empty shopping malls or of abandoned bus stations, stuff like that. Stuff where people are supposed to be, but they're not. It kind of gives an uncanny feeling. So like liminal spaces, you can look at that and you're like, yeah, I see where that comes from.

But the one that weirds me out is the mimic. So like in a lot of different horror stories, you hear the concept of mimicry mentioned a lot. Like, oh, it's a creature. The Wendigo gets... The Wendigo, like the original Legends don't have it. The Skinwalker does. And a lot of people meld the two in their mind. But the concept of like, it's a creature that kills someone then can mimic their voice. You've probably heard some horror story where like, guy gets killed and his friends are calling out and they can hear their friend's voice yelling back to them. But if something sounds weird, sounds out of cadence. Think of the movie...

What was the movie with the bear? Annihilation. Annihilation. Thank you. Annihilation is a good representation of that. When you hear the scream of a woman, you're like, ah, what is this? Annihilation is a great movie overall. King Troll. His Help Me.

Oh, God. We were in the middle of the fucking thing. You got to hear his help me. It was creepy as shit. We were in the middle of nowhere, like when Demo Ranch first bought his property.

Right. He can do. Well, yeah. Cause you're like, if someone says help me in the woods, like don't go towards that. And he did one when we were out there at demos place and we're like, Holy shit. That sounds weird. Cause we, there was a party like fucking a hundred yards out. It was 200 yards out. Like we, we just saw their fire and they were like all laughing or whatever. And then he started doing is like, help me shit.

Just like super loud as hell and they all quieted down. That's pretty good. They got silent. It was like, oh. When it's slightly human, that's what makes it terrifying. That's why like Annihilation, that bear when it's yelling or anything, like it's the girl screaming. And then it walks in and you're like, oh, what the fuck is this thing? Do your help me. When we were at Demo's place, you were just, help me. Oh, you guys told that story? Yeah. Go for it. Help me. Oh.

I wasn't there. Sorry. I was one eighth of the way through a cigarette when I was so rudely interrupted. He was outside just like...

I was busy. I'm gonna take a bathroom break while he's doing it. Yeah, have fun listening to that on the mic. I don't know what you want to do. You can take it off if you want. I don't care. I've had worse. Do I make people turn into patrons? Dude, G-Van's like, he pisses so hard. I don't remember the voice. I remember we were out at the ranch and...

And we were standing there, and we heard nightmarish noises coming from the wilderness. And Cody's son... So we heard the Texas goat, man. Yes. Turned to a... Yeah, I forgot the very important part of the story. When we heard what was completely indescribable, Cody's son turns to us and goes, what was that? And we all went, that was probably some animal or something, and then looked at each other and went...

Horrifying. I kind of forgot that happened. Did you kill Eli? While I was in there? No worries, I do. He fell, frankly, that's fine. I just...

- Came on and derailed everything. - Yeah, okay. - Where the fuck did you get a bush light? - Did he get the impression? - Are they cold? - Yeah. - All right, all right, gotcha. - He did talk about the time that we all heard a cryptid, though. - Oh, I know. - He was talking about that and we, yeah, we didn't. - No, I'm sorry to disappoint you, Dad. - I was gonna ask you, though, have you heard about the CIA operation where they try to convince people that vampires were real? - Made a video on it. - Did you really? - I did. - Goddammit, I'm an asshole.

I remember. I haven't seen all your videos. I'm gonna try to keep up on the new ones. You know what? After that, we're going this way. Back to B+. A little bit of lore. I listened to that video. This is one of those weird moments where you just remember what you were doing at the time. The day I made that fucking testimony before Congress about the ATF,

I woke up and I took a shower and I watched that video. Wow. Yeah, your whole CIA... Yeah, and remember kids. The next time that... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cool. Cool. That's awesome. I remember that. I was in Destin, Florida. It was just... Yeah, weird as shit. You borderline testified before Congress. You know what, man? A-tier. Just for that. A-tier! Oh!

Listen here, motherfucker! You can only beat her again, you're not a real fan. That was called sympathy. That was called sympathy. Oh no. You got sympathy upgraded. Oh, oh. Are you gonna go get more?

More on the cryptid. I never thought I'd see Brandon Herner do that a 57th time. Oh, wow. Original. Everyone's shitting on Brandon now. Brandon, I've been right here. What are you talking about? He has been targeting me the whole show. No, no, no. We're not targeting you. You're just part of the Fringr. This is how we all feel.

What was I talking about before I went to the bathroom? The cryptic and the mimic. The mimic. I had a point to make with that, right? So like a lot of horror stories, you can trace where it came from and you can be like, this came from that. Makes sense, right? The mimic's an interesting one to me because there are stories of mimicry that date all the way back to like ancient cultures.

In various parts of the world. In various parts of the world, too. You guys didn't talk to each other back then. Exactly. That's kind of weird. Exactly. There were legends of creatures that would appear as man in various South American cultures. There were Middle Eastern cultures that would have legends of things that make the voice of a human to lure you away. And it's like...

What was the inception of that, right? Like there's an origin point for all these different stories. Why was that so? Go ahead, whatever. - I know, I'm watching these two rub beards and looking at each other like, "He's fucking calling me out over here." - You don't need this.

Like what was the original inception point for those stories, right? Like what is it that, what was the thing that we're supposed to be afraid of, right? Because like with liminal spaces and stuff, the thing that we're afraid of is like the desolation, the lack of people. If like cities are abandoned, something's gone wrong. If we're afraid of like, zombies are a good example. If we're afraid of people diseased and sickly and violent, something's gone wrong. So what was the thing that went wrong that led to mimicry becoming such a thing across all these different tribes? See,

Dude, that's just illiminal. Like, or however you say it. It is very amazing that you say it like that because it is terrifying when everything's just...

It is... Nothing's there. Everything's the same, but there's no escape for it. There is an unending maze, and you're like, ah, something fucked up, and I do not like this. Yeah, yeah. Real question. Isn't that the Uncanny Valley? It is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the Uncanny Valley is typically... Like, when you hear it in application, it's referring to, like...

appearance like visual appearance, but it would also apply to voices stuff like that an uncanny voice stuff like that like generally speaking in theory that's why people are scared of like a dummy or Yeah, yeah, because it's like a human but it's not yeah. Yeah, there's there's this thing that keeps coming back to me Maybe I'll make a video on it one day. I just need to like home my thoughts in about it a bit more and

But there's this thing that I keep thinking about when it comes to horror cultures, legends, all that stuff that across our history, there seems to be like a monster in the closet, right? Like whatever the group of people were, wherever they are there, they share these characteristics. They're,

is always like for example psychedelics, right? People who like take extreme psychedelics like DMT, they'll start to describe seeing the same creatures over and over. They'll start to describe having the same experiences, voices. Yeah, similar to the hat man, stuff like that, right? They all these different cultures have voices like stories of a voice or things like the things that go bump in the night everywhere they were. For some reason, it sounds like they were talking about the same things.

So what has this thing been that we keep tapping on the glass of? It's shielded from us, but we keep getting closer. We keep putting our hands up against it. Do you know what that is? Yeah, but the way you just explained it is absolutely fucking terrifying. Where it's like, we all know it. We're tapping the glass. What is it? Because we all see it briefly. It's like...

It's out through dreams or whatever. Everyone is seeing the same image of the same man. And you're like, "Oh yeah, this is normal." And here's the thing, right? So sure, there's been a glass wall. There's been some kind of barrier protection. We see glimpses of it, but we've never lived with it, right? But then there's all these new studies into dream theory, stuff like that. Scientists estimate in the next couple of decades, we can control dreams. We can effectively program what we see when we sleep.

There's stories with AIs that we can create AI that's able to basically use all the information it has to create new theories, new ideas, stuff like that. It can pull things out of an aether that we used to have to work for, but now we don't have to work for.

And it can produce new images, new monsters, things that have not existed until it consumes them. So with all, we keep tapping on the glass what happens when it breaks effectively. What happens when we do step too far? I find myself thinking about that. Like what if we find the monster in the closet? What's it?

Yeah. That's horrible to think about. Yeah, yeah. I'm glad I could take the mood down a little bit. But, I mean, it's such a good question because everyone, as you're saying, has their own monster in the closet. And a lot, the craziest thing is a lot of our monsters look exactly the same without ever communicating it.

out at the same time. Well, it's like Nick said he doesn't know what the hat man is. That's Benadryl, right? Yeah, the Benadryl hat man. So people chug a bunch of fucking Benadryl, right? Well, we would never condone that on this podcast because that's ridiculous. Well, it ruins your liver and kidneys and you're going to be destroyed for life. You'll also have a tiny cock, but other than that, yeah. Halfway there.

- I don't even need to buy Benadryl. - That was funny, that was good. - I don't even need Benadryl. - There's no Targis, there's no like. - I don't even know if it was a joke. - For the fourth time today, I've looked to the left and seen the disapproving look of your wife. - Ha! Join the club. - Every time I'm naked. - She just held up her pinky. - That's what's up.

That's what's amazing about human psychology. It is. Everyone can have a reference close to the same image or nightmare. And then you can reach across the pond.

And somebody you have no reference or no connection with, they're like, yeah, I've seen the same fucking thing where they'll draw it out and it's very close imagery. It's so... So, like, the way I tie it back, because I'm religious, because I'm a Christian, I think about it in connection with religion, stuff like that, right? Like, Old Testament before, you know, time of faith and all that when we existed in the time of law, by my beliefs, like...

In the Old Testament, things were much more literal on earth. It wasn't the Holy Spirit dwelling with man. It wasn't like the unseen realm. It was the seen realm. Rather than, you know, demons and angels interacting invisibly on earth, they were physical. They appeared before man. They spoke to them, stuff like that. Like a lot of Christians overlook the fact that, yeah, Moses could perform miracles from God, but Pharaoh's sorcerers also performed miracles. They also had ways to perform magic and things like that. Where did they get that from?

And it makes me think a lot of questions to myself like are we are we having is there a collective memory? We're forgetting that maybe maybe demons if they existed contacted us at one point. Maybe they lived with us Maybe there was something like man something that was a bit adjacent to them that Existed like perhaps the Nephilim is mentioned in the Bible or something like that something that no longer exists we are all afraid of something we've forgotten and it keeps popping up in our stories and

And I think about that a lot. It's like the ghost of a story. Could you say giants? Like giants, yes. Exactly like giants. Oh, in the fucking Afghani caves and shit? I think, Eli, you were telling me. Yeah, yeah. The Kandar, right? Is that... Well, it's all these little things. Especially biblically, you have that to the angels through all these things where it's like... I sent that meme, I think, to the group where it's like, oh, maybe not. It is...

It's an angel appearing like a real, like a biblical angel, and it's like... The oaf in them, the eyes and the wings. Yeah, but it's a meme, so it's like, I'm an angel, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, be not afraid. Yeah, yeah. You are the fucking most terrifying thing I've ever seen in my life. Hey, bro, I'm kind of drunk. You terrifying as fuck. What's up, angel? So it's like those opposite, because...

biblically angels aren't like this, like, hey, we hot as shit. That would be more on this side of Lucifer where it's like, hey. You know, it's interesting. So like the angels, there's different types of angels. I've talked about this in videos before, but like there's different types of angels as explained in the Bible, but we're never given clarification as to like, is this different forms angels can take or do they always exist? Is this one kind of thing? Who knows, right? But there are different forms they take. And the way I see it is that God always knew angels

what was needed for the scenario. When an angel comes to speak to Gideon to tell him he needs to lead an army, he comes to this young boy as a man appearing as a human telling him, several times in the Bible they have to tell people they're angels. They appear and they say, oh, I'm an angel because it's not readily apparent. They appear as the form of a man. So sometimes it's that and sometimes like... Other times you get the be not afraid.

Sometimes, like in the book of Ezekiel, when he has the visions as he describes, wheels upon wheels of fire with eyes, and the noise they made sounded as thunder and rumbling mountains. Sometimes it's like that. Whatever the scenario is needed is what appears. So is this the forms angels can take? Are these different kind? Who knows? But what's fascinating about that... It's also, you're like, hey, Jesus, what's up? I'm just trying to talk to you.

What the fuck? What? I'm like, ew, calm down, bro. I'm just an angel. Just floating here. Got my angel wings. Got my eyes. I can't remember. Chilling out. I can't remember what it was. It might have been supernatural. That got you. That got you.

It might have been supernatural or something, but it was like, there's a reason. The first thing we ever say is, be not afraid. Yeah. It's like, yeah, no, you're fucking terrifying. Why'd you sound like Castile when you said that? Dean, I found a liquor store and I drank it. Go home. I don't believe the babysitter loves the pizza man. I'm trying to hear, to hear like a Wendigoon episode. Like, what's fascinating about that? Like,

I'm getting a live episode right now. Cody's like, shut up! I know you want, I'm interested in this. Why does the pizza man love babysitters? What's fascinating, can we unplug this guy? Am I back down to beats here? Yeah, he grabbed you, his mouse clicker's like, see. What's fascinating about that, Cody, is that...

in the Bible. So it's like God always knew the tool that was needed for the job, right? Sometimes a show of power, sometimes a show of love, stuff like that, right? Sometimes somewhere in between like the heavenly hosts, like a series of angels singing angelic, both powerful but comforting, stuff like that, right?

What's fascinating about that is if the angels can take on these forms, if they have these, and if the way that Lucifer exists is he decided to rival God and was cast out of hell and it says a third of the angels fell with him, then what do they look like?

What forms can they take on? They're no longer connected to the divinity of God. They no longer have unlimited dominion as described by the prophets, but they do have some power. Like I said, Pharaoh's sorcerers could perform miracles and they got those abilities from somewhere. So what does this bastardized, broken piece of divinity look like

when it wants to put power over people. Could sometimes they appear as people? Yeah. Could sometimes they appear as something a little less or a little different than people? Yeah. And in my mind... They were jealous of us. Yes. Mortality as a whole. And were they jealous of our look? Was it demons or was it Satan himself was jealous of humanity? Well, so... To finish that thought real quick, I like...

Maybe a lot of these stories we have, like I said, the monster in the closet, maybe a lot of that comes from them. What they used to look like, what they used to behave. Now the thing around like the jealousy of the devil and stuff like that, a lot of that isn't expressly biblical. A lot of that comes from scholars beliefs that came afterwards. The Catholic Church has its own like iconography and lore based around like the early saints and the early popes and stuff like that. But I'm not Catholic and I don't really to ascribe to a lot of their beliefs. Sure, some of the stuff they said I think was wise, but on a whole, I've got a lot of issues with it, which, duh.

But, I've expressed it before on the channel, not a big fan of the office or whatever. - I love how you so casually throw out a sentence that would have gotten you fucking burned at the stake. - Oh, I would have been executed like 500 years ago, yeah, easily. - He's a witch! - For several things. - Drowned him, he's a nut. - Wow, do you remember how Joan of Arc had it? - No. - That was super cool. - Pretty much.

she was human oops if they're dead they're cool yeah that's how it went most of the time but a lot of it comes from like not expressly catholic but people had stories after so a lot of our modern characterization of Lucifer comes from a lot of paganism that a lot of the time wasn't like expressly satanic but in our hindsight we've kind of ascribed it to be figures like Baphomet for example aren't

expressly religious or satanic, but because it's like the image of the goat's head or whatnot and sacrifice, people like tie the two together in their memory. - Lucifer, how many times is Lucifer mentioned in the Bible? His name, how many times? - I think it's just once. Yeah, yeah. Lucifer, it's describing him as Lucifer the morning star because he was described as the most beautiful in all of heaven.

Most people don't even know that. It is one time Lucifer's name was said in the Bible. Isn't Baphomet barely biblical? Actually not biblical. Humans are weird. Have you ever heard of fucking demon goat Satan?

Now that being said, there is a lot of demons mentioned by name in the Bible. Well, again, I'm kind of ascribing the belief a lot of these lesser gods or false gods were demons in effect. So with that in mind, there's Baal, there's Dagon, there's Moloch, stuff like that, which there's debate around if Moloch actually was real or not, but that's a whole other topic. God, I could

I'll keep adding letters

I'll make some up after that. So G-tier Brandon. So like with a lot of these stories around like demonology and whatnot, a lot of it's subscribed by stuff that came after. So like people subscribe a lot of paganism to demonology. Like one of the reasons Lucifer specifically is depicted as like, or I guess I shouldn't say Lucifer, the devil is depicted as he is, is because of a lot of stories around paganism and whatnot.

So like as the devil is described in the Bible, which one, by the way, he's never called the devil in the Bible. And the word demon is never used in the Bible. Demon's a Greek word that came afterwards. It describes the fallen angels, which is what they're called. The word demons came later, comes off the word demos or all that.

And Lucifer is described as Satan, which means the opponent. He's described as Lucifer. He's described as the accursed one, stuff like that. But he's never like the word for demons is devils or spirits or stuff like that, stuff along those lines.

So the reason that now we see the devil is like the figure with like goat hooves and horns and all that stuff. It comes from a lot of paganism. Like there was a lot of early church beliefs, specifically Catholic like beliefs within the church when they saw pagans worshiping like pagans.

figures of Baphomet are making idols to him. They ascribed it to demonology and the two kind of started to twist together or melt together. And that's not even for the bad stuff. It is for the positive stuff, the Yule log, any things like that. The burning Christmas, things like that. It was from paganism and they adopted those for a more natural progression for, hey, we are adopting Christianity. We are adopting

adopting Catholicism. Hey, how do we do that? This is the easiest way. Yeah. Using what they're already known or what these people or these little areas are known for. We're going to adapt that into our own ideologies and then let that flourish.

Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of combination, melody and stuff. It wasn't always expressly evil. As a matter of fact, most of it wasn't even intentional. It was just the figureheads they were seeing. And like I explained earlier, with a lot of the Old Testament imagery being of if these false gods could be considered demons, what's considering a lot of them involved child sacrifice. I'm kind of cool with saying yeah, probably. So you have all these false gods. It was widely regarded as a bad movie.

You have all these false gods that can perform miracles and demand blood sacrifices, so people assume those to be demons. Those took on the form of animal. Dagon was a sort of fish. Baal was a sort of ox. So in a way, it's almost kind of serendipitous of the eventual...

symbol of the devil was that of like the goat's head, with the horns and stuff like that. It's kind of like history correcting itself down the line years later. But a lot of our descriptions of like what you said, like he was jealous, he wanted that, that comes from a lot of early members of the church and stories they told. So for the big one, the one that's had the biggest impact on the devil

in modern cult other than like paganism making the goat head imagery and all that other than that one of the biggest symbols um that changed how we view lucifer was uh paradise lost which was written by john milton which i made a whole video going into that spiel or whatever but milton's theory right over brain in space over g tier oh you

Fuck you. We skipped a lot there. Brings me into one of my biggest questions. What is the difference between the Bible Lucifer, Bible devil versus what people picture the devil to be now? So...

In the Bible, the devil... Well, you know, you can think of the devil, but between what the Bible actually says and what people think now. So in the Bible, when the devil is mentioned, when he's discussed, it is the opponent, right? Which is the best way to describe it. One of the verses, I believe it was Paul who described him as the prince of the air, talking about that he has dominion over this world.

This world is sin tainted and therefore he has control over it, which is the reason we experience death, problems, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah. World not perfect all the time. You get that. So the devil is responsible for those things in that he introduced sin to the world, but it was our choice to partake in sin. It was not forced upon us. We accepted it by free will. We chose to bite of the apple. We chose to enact our free will in both good and bad ways.

So the devil's objective in the world is not to be a scary face you see in the dark at night. It's not to be a predator that gets you killed as quick as he can to just like slaughtering people or whatnot. Is that an end effect of it? Sure. But really, the devil's objective is to just turn you away from God. Now, is the better way of doing that being evil, being awful, or is it giving people what they need?

outside of him. So a lot of times as it's shown in the Old Testament and New Testament,

The devil isn't someone who just slaughters, kills randomly. He gives riches. You get, like I mentioned, Pharaoh, rich man who has all this magic, all these powers that was given to his sorcerers and whatnot. He gives them exactly what they need because as long as they don't need God, then he's won. That's what he has. The devil knows how the book ends. He knows the prophecies. He knows that according to scriptures that one day he'll be defeated by the Archangel Michael. Sin will be no more. It will all be over.

So then why fight? Because he can take as many people with him as he can in that amount of time. He knows it's a losing battle, but he can make other people lose as well. Communism, Nick. That's the new age. Well, it's taking a new form, too. You're trying to upset me, right? I wanted to get you... So that it's relatable. Because it's taking a new form. It's the exact same thing. It's like, how do I...

I'm mad at how much sense that made, actually. I'm upset. So basically, the modern depiction of the devil is as like, I mean, you could call it a cryptid almost, right? Something violent, something that wants to kill you, run your car off the road. The devil is a cryptid. The title of the episode. There you are, standing in a bread line. Yeah.

You live in a country that doesn't like vowels. What? They've got like seven layers deeper than you need to. Poland, Hungary, ugh.

No, no, that's not what I'm saying. Look what you've done, Eli. You've derailed everything. We finally got back on track. Okay, back on track. No, I was learning. You fucked it up. Now we're here. I was at the end of that tangent anyway. Basically, the main difference is that the devil's goal is not to be evil. It's that to be a provider, just one that is away from God. Something to point you in

different direction. The Antichrist, for example, as mentioned in Revelation, is not a figure, I mean, by cause and effect he is, but he's not a figure that directly brings death or chaos into the world. It says in the end times, he's the one who unites the world. He's a leader that the people love and will do whatever he says. He's not expressly evil. He's just a different direction than that of returning to the creator, than that of salvation. Because ultimately, like if you look across the entire Bible, really the whole of Christianity,

The point is that we were made to be companions with God. In the Garden of Eden, God walked and talked with us every day. We were his friends. He wanted us. He gave us free will because to have that companionship, to have that closeness. And we chose to separate ourselves from that. So rather than being cast out from other, rather than God smiting us and starting over, he says, all right, you get a second chance.

You have this life, you can do whatever you want with it, and throughout your life, you can choose to turn away from me or turn back towards me. And if at the end of your life you've chosen to turn back towards me, then we'll be together again. The reunion of the Spirit, the reunion in the air. In that way, death to a Christian is not like something to be feared. Of course, it's something to mourn we miss loved ones, but in actuality, it's a return to what we were meant for.

That's the beauty of it. So all Satan can do is make sure that doesn't happen to point us back the other direction. So that's effectively his goal in this life. He knows how the story ends. He can just have a say in where we end up in that. Or really, he can give us the tools to give us the say. We still have the free will of choosing which way we go, either that be with God or with the opponent, so to speak. God.

I'd like to go to heaven

Dude, it's so well-spoken. I don't know how to stop that. You just closed this out, Cody. It was so beautifully said. Bye, everyone. Thank you for joining the unsubscribed podcast today. I'm joined, of course, by Eli DoubleFap, Brandon Herrera, Mr. Windigoon, who's an amazing guest, and the Fat Electrician. Thank you for coming out. Thank you all for watching. It means the world. Thank you. We'll see you sexy YouTube mother lovers in the next podcast. Quack bang out, but for real, has his fucking mic been off the whole time?

I already seen it. Oh no. When did it go, what? Oh God.