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It has been a couple days. It has been a couple... My liver is down. Y'all are on the grind. I respect it. It hurts so bad. I don't know how you go around these, like this group. You're like, ah. You look like a very, like, well-to-do, fine gentleman. You're like, hello, good sir and ma'am. Throwing booze at the wall. Like, I came into the podcast house this morning. I was like, I was trying to get here a little before you, because I knew all the guys had been here. I'm like,

it's gonna be a fucking dump and i'm looking at the wall and the the stack of bud light white claw all the liquor bottles are empty i'm like god man look at that bot boot and that was all done in like a few days i do i do enjoy like it really does feel like i mean this is the best way

It really does feel like I'm back in the college dorm. In a good way, in a good way. In a nostalgic way. Here's the common room, each other's room upstairs. Exactly, exactly. The smell. The smell's weird. The floor back is trash.

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Everything on the water burger menu because it's a treat and he doesn't get to have it often this was Last month when he was here about three weeks ago, whatever and then he just left the cup sealed because it was door - they have a little seal on it sealed in the corner and We didn't notice it for a couple weeks because we aren't here often then I came in we're getting rid of the house ready for everybody to show up for this weekend and I was like, oh no, I don't want to touch him because like if it's Styrofoam - I don't know if it's gonna just crunch and

Oh, that's so nasty. So those, I cleaned those up today. Straight to the trash can. Yeah, there's a lot of trash out there. I just like on the camera, I'm like, you are the cleanest cut of our guests that we've had. We got a bunch of scraggly motherfuckers looking like me. Even with like demo, Matt, everyone's like, like their t-shirts and you're like, hi. Okay, to be fair. Hello, gentlemen. I gathered you together.

That's a good shirt. I like that shirt. I wear great shirts on the podcast all the time. I know, but his, I guarantee, look, like, his is rolled up sleeves tucked in. Yours is a

t-shirt in our highly requested guests wendy goon welcome to the podcast man thank you for coming out oh thank you all so much for having hi hi thank you all so much for having me that it means the world it's very kind when you said people request me i'm like me the weird one yeah but

A special little shout out to one of my moderators, one of the guys that is always in the array on my stream. He has been geeking about you coming on the podcast since we first started talking. And he was like, oh,

He is your biggest fan. Ray, right? Thank you, Ray. That's very cool. Thank you, Ray. Before off camera, he said he hated you. Yeah, of course. We had to pay him to say that. That's a big check. They had to get me here somehow. This is the last episode of Unsubscribed.

We spent it all on Ray. On Ray. So these guys care about you for some reason. Go fuck yourself, Ray. But for real, thank you all for having me. Of course, man. I appreciate it. It's great to be here. This is like, I walked in for a guy, like I said, who just points a camera at a corner and talks.

This is like scary professional. It's very good stuff. I dig it. Eli. We did. Yeah. Good job. Kudos to Eli. Good. There's four cameras here. I've never seen more than two at a time running on my stuff. So this is like, this is cool. This is very cool. What if we get a fifth? Oh God. I know. Just one. What would the POV be? It'd be from behind. It's a buffer.

On our guest butts, it's highly requested. I'm so glad I came before the fifth camera was out of it. We have eight cam and a bottle. We have no more guests. We got the fifth camera and nobody wanted to hang out with us. I think it was the first. I think it was that camera. We're just blaming all the other cameras.

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I will actually say it's...

uh going through your stuff and then immediately i'm gonna get along with this guy on a different level for the simple fact you do this i guarantee watch me and him have never talked met or anything you were big on the no sleep reddit back in the day or leading up to it you like the paranormal stuff on reddit you probably fall asleep to like videos i don't know if you also listen to like long form podcasts or like top 10 mystery or ghost you'll fall asleep to it yeah yeah

Yeah, of course. Yeah, absolutely. Like, I was just like, he's weird, too. Yeah, yeah. Yes. That's why I'm here. Going through, I was like, oh, man, this guy, I could...

Okay, I know who he is. Yeah, yeah. Before I started YouTube, I was into all of those, like you said, NoSleep, a lot of the Reddits, a ton of creepypastas. When I was in middle school, high school, Mr. Creepypasta is really one of the reasons where I am right now.

quite literally too, on this podcast because I became a creator. But yeah, like horror stories, like long form contents. I remember listening to all those like, like you said, to fall asleep to like scary stories of the Appalachian mountains, scary stories of the woods to fall asleep to all the time. Absolutely. My friends,

When we were in high school, I always knew all these like weird ghost stories because you know, I'm strange I eventually made it into a career. If you don't have a youtube career, I'm just a weird guy Like the guy who just knows all these obscure things about youtube I had to make it into a job for my own social credit. Okay You spent too much time doing this. Yes, exactly It had to be something or it was over for me. Absolutely um

But like all my friends in high school would be like, Hey, like it's sleepovers. Like, Hey, tell us a scary story. Give us a weird story or whatever. And I just like say something I heard on a no sleep and they'd be like, you're

You're crazy, bro. Why do you know this? You're so weird. But like, really, if it wasn't for being weird, then there's no way I'd be where I am right now. I've been strange a while. Yes. I appreciate that. Because I fall asleep to that stuff. Even Sav, she's like, I always have to put headphones on because

She's a lights. She gets nightmares easy. And then it's like me falling asleep. And then the serial killer entered the house and Bertrand, eight people of the family. She's like, why are you sleeping? I'm like, why is he giggling and smiling now?

I remember one night, you know, it's just like the content I watch, right? Like I fell asleep to it on the couch. And I woke up like four in the morning and like a haze. And I look over at the TV and it's just like, I don't know if it was the devil or a ghost or something, but some horned creature that was just staring at the TV, right? It was some analog whore that I'd stumbled across. And I remember I woke up and saw it and it was like,

Okay. Just one. This is normal. I'm going back to that. Yeah. I'm right there with you. I know the feeling. If our podcast becomes haunted because you were here, I swear. You're welcome. It's too late. I already know.

Ghost, you can haunt the shit out of this place. I don't care. Just don't fuck with the electronics. Just leave those alone. Do not move the cameras. Because as we all know, ghosts definitely don't mess with the electronics. Poltergeist the shit out of this place. Just this room off limits, bro. Poltergeist the shit out of this place. What a great line. Incredible. That's a shirt for you. There you go. And trademark. Thanks. Appreciate it.

- That was good, that was good, thank you. - No, we do watching, like going through your old shit. It was funny 'cause it was like, oh yeah, this is when he was figuring out YouTube. It's like, here's a dark story. Here's me speed running a video game. Here's me playing a video game. - Yep. - Here's a random video. - And then finally he was like, got it, here's the, okay, we're spinning a video game. - Here's the formula. - There was a lot, you know those charts that show like, you know,

What am I trying to figure out? Like tendency charts. So like the higher you go in something, the more aligned everything is. It's like just shotgun patterns of trying to figure out what I'm doing. And there it is. Yep. We got it. Yeah. Yeah. We figured it out. Oh, cool. Because you haven't been doing it that long, which is dope. I was like, oh, like two and a half years.

Two and a half years. That's wild. Yeah. Actually wild. Yeah. Halloween of 2020 is when I like I had a YouTube channel that upload a couple of videos to be like shooting a rifle. Right. I had like what 50 subs of whatever. And then Halloween of 2020, I was like, I want to make an effort. So the first video I did was a video about Local 58 Analog Horror Series. And then from there, it just like, yeah.

You were his first video. So he's like gun tubers. Yes. Oh my word. Okay. So fun story about that. I guess. So I'm down in San Antonio right now. Meet you guys and everything. And I went out to range shoot with like Brandon Herrera. Yeah. Don't operate. Yeah. Yeah. At the BRCC range. And,

And I meet Brandon for the first time. I had totally forgot I made that video. But for those that don't know, when I started YouTube, I had like, again, like 70 subs. I made a Guntuber tier list video because that's what I watch. I watch Guntubers. That is actually right now the first video on the channel. You're right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just like me talking about Guntubers, right? Just some kid in his parents' bedroom, whatever. So.

So I'm like, "Oh yeah, I like this Guntuber 'cause they're cool and this one's neat or whatever." And I put Brandon at B tier, which is funny. I had completely forgot about that until yesterday when I get here and I walk into the shop. I don't know if he wants me to tell the story, but it's funny. - Go for it. - Yo, what's up B tier Brandon? - Love you, Brandon.

I'm gonna be here from now on. His new name is B-Tier. I want to get invited back. He will be so... If they start going in that, don't. You do not have my consent. What? Stop. Stop. No. He's being unlisted so fast. It is getting deleted. But I go into his shop and I like bend over to pick up something and he like, he stands next to me. He's like,

"This was an elaborate ruse to kill you for making me B-tier." And he pulls the gun! I was like, "What do you mean? Oh, the video!" Like, I completely forgot about that. I love that. That is fantastic. He remembered. He remembered. Which, like... It's the most mind-instoring I've ever heard. So, yeah, that actually came back to haunt me yesterday. So, yeah, yeah.

It's relevant. And now it gets to live here. And now it gets to live here on the internet forever. I don't know why I said that. I shouldn't have. Cheers. We love B-tier. He's one of our favorites. I love Brandon to death. Great friend. Don't call him that. Oh my gosh. I know he's going to watch this and be like,

I have to delete that video right now. It's going to be so. Oh, no. Okay. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, I was doing stuff like that. Just trying to figure it out. Yeah.

He's trying to figure out how to put in the door, if you will. I know a lot of people talk about they got into content creation because they're like, oh, there's money and it'll be a good job, which are all valid reasons. You won't make it. I always say you're not going to survive if that's your mindset. Yeah, I agree with that. I agree. Unless you get really lucky somehow, you're right. That is not the mindset to enter it with.

But I was in college at the time. And I kind of was like, I don't know if I really like this job. And I kind of decided, well, I have, you know, these creative interests and like telling stories and talking about stories. So why not have an outlet for that? That like, maybe my job doesn't have to be something that I'm, you know, super passionate about. You know, a lot of people, you know, make money to make a living, right? Nothing wrong with that, of course. Got to pay your bills. Exactly. So I'm like, okay, if I'm doing that, then I want an outlet. I

I want something that I can be creative in. So I started YouTube just for myself, just because I'm like, ah, it'd be funny to talk about gun tubers. I'd be fine to talk about horror stories.

And then as I got attraction, I eventually realized that this can be something. This can be a job. And I'm blessed enough to be in the situation that those like, you know, a career and my interest intersected and now became this. So I'm very blessed to be in that position. But I never entered with the inclination it was going to go anywhere. It was just like, I'm doing this so that I can say I did it. And I made it. Eli, do you know this episode is brought to you by Manscaped? Eli? Looks like the carpet does match the drapes.

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That's the new saying it's just check your boys boys At what point though? So I'm assuming you were working a regular job or something at what point were you like? Yeah, wait a minute. I can just go all in on this So it was I wasn't working at the well, I was kind of working. I was a full-time college student Okay, so the only job I had like I was living with my parents the only job I had for money was the typical youtuber

Origin story. College dropout. Yes, absolutely. Like, college is the YouTube Academy if you quit. That's how you get there. There you go, everybody from Wendigoon. Yeah, yeah. Dropout. No, no, no, no. Parents hate me enough as is. I don't need an extra layer on that. No, no. Um...

But like really college is great for a lot of people. It wasn't for me. It was the square peg in the round hole. Just like one day it'll work. They're going to clip that. You were just like this. You know, I had the thought. I was like, oh man, I already know what this could be. I had the thought as it was happening. I thought if no one brings attention to it and then...

And I'm like, welcome to Eli. Thank you, Eli. Lovely to meet you. We had the same thought.

Anyway, I'm your bad thoughts and you were like clearly This is the other side My evil He literally has there's no distinction between inside thoughts and outside thoughts for Eli. It's they're all just I don't know I've never kept them in I don't know what happens I'm scared I

But anyway, so we were I was in college. Right. And I was like, I was making the content on my own time. And then what started to do well was the iceberg videos. That was the first trend I had. And that like very quickly garnered success. And I remember like the moment that I was like, this might be something.

I had done a few icebergs. I remember the Star Wars iceberg did well. And by well, I'm talking like 10,000. In the beginning, like 10,000 views in a week. I'm like, that's insane. Because, you know, I was going from like 500 views a video to that. I'm like, that's a lot. Then I made like the SCP iceberg. That got maybe one, 200,000. I'm like, that's a lot. And then I remember I made the disturbing movie iceberg.

And I actually remember I was in my, it was, what class was it? It was physics two, I think. It was an 8 a.m. class. Good one to quit in. Yeah, great one to quit in. I was starting to get some traction. I'm like, oh man, disturbing, like people really like the disturbing movie trend. Let's see how that does. And I started to kind of get the mindset of what will do well, like what would be interesting. So I remember it was, it was,

8 a.m. It was like 8.05. I was late to class, but I didn't care because I was sitting in the parking lot on the YouTube app and I was making the thumbnail. Oh, man. You were doing it in the app? Yes. Oh, I used my phone to record videos up until a million subs. Like, I've...

I am a horrible example of how you should... I keep tripping backwards and getting here somehow. I got on unsubscribed. That is my favorite thing. The amount of our friends that have been like, yeah, like Demo Matt, GoPro talking to himself. Yep, yep.

Up until 9 million subs, he's like, "Okay, I'll get a cameraman, I guess." The amount of people that really shows your content is king. Like, you can slap some of the craziest looking cameras or a cool set, but unless there are people that will want to watch it or find it somehow, doesn't matter if it's on your iPhone or a GoPro. - Yeah, like just start doing it. People always ask me, well,

Let me finish this first, but then I'll say that. Welcome to the tangent podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this is normal. Oh, I'm also a tangent. We will go nowhere if I can't go. But I was sitting in the physics 2. I was sitting outside of the college class about to go into physics 2, and I was like five minutes late because I was editing the thumbnail, and I'm like, okay, this looks good. I was monetized at the time, so I'm like, that looks good. That looks good. And I remember sitting there, and I was watching the sun rise, and I was like,

post, right? And then I go into class. One week later, exact same position. I was late to physics two and I was sitting in the parking lot because I was refreshing over and over because it was at 999,000 views.

And I was sitting there in the parking lot, like a million, a million, a million. And then boom, that one M and that was the most, and I, the same sunset. And I was sitting there, I was like, this could happen. Like if I keep trying, this might be it. And I talked to my parents cause you know, they were supporting me through college. Yeah. And it was like, Hey, I know this is like,

You all have been a blessing, obviously. But this is what I think I want. And they were like, you know, obviously parents who aren't familiar with the Internet, there was a level of like they still probably aren't. This is a real job. Once once I kind of explained it to him, they were like, I remember my dad. He told me a great thing. My mom was a bit more like, you know, in the beginning. Well, sure, we'll see how it goes. But my dad was like, all right. And I remember I asked him and I was like, you're not going to try to bite me on it. Like I was like,

about to start my fourth year of undergrad. Most parents would be like, just do the other year. But I was like, I have to strike while the iron's hot. What was a quick gist? A pre-med biology. I was a bio major about to go to med school. You look like a bio major.

Like a bio major, that's good. I like it. I like that. That's good. Look at that coiffed hair. That is an intelligent man. Sorry. You do a great job. You do a great job. I appreciate that. That's very kind. He doesn't drink like that.

He's a smart man. He's a preacher's kid or a bio-major. It's got to be one or the other. Those are the options. I pinned you from the start. He talks about way too disturbing stuff to be a preacher's kid, so bio-major. I remember I told my dad and he was like, yeah, go for it. I'm like, really? You're not going to try to stop me or anything? And he said, son,

uh most people are going to find out what they need to do because they're going to have a hard time doing anything else and i was like all right uh and you know that and like i say like my mom wasn't there i mean my mom wasn't there by like a week she was like i support you whatever you want and uh so the mom answer the mom answer yeah and i just full bore went with youtube and um

I'm here. It went great. And now you have a camera instead of your iPhone. This is, yes, I bought a camera. That's really what this is about. How I bought it. Now, he likes a store window. He's like, I need that camera. Yeah. This is big.

to walk into that store and slam that. I'll take that one. It was like a Christmas story with the BB gun. Yeah. But it's just a Sony. You've created an empire to buy that. For that camera. The millions of followers for that camera. I can quit now. That's it, guys. It's over. Bye, everyone. Signing off. Yeah, signing off.

But no, yeah. Like I said, a lot of it has been I've been very blessed to get to this opportunity. And like, you know, I rode the iceberg trend for a while, did well on that. And then I didn't want to just be the iceberg YouTuber. So I started to sparse out iceberg with other stuff. And now I'm just, I guess, the YouTuber, the disturbing YouTuber.

I don't know, whatever it is, I do. Disturbing stories. - The good stuff. - Thank you, yeah. - The good stuff. - I appreciate that, thank you. - Crushing the game. - Baddie, what are you looking at? You're worrying me. - Is that camera running? - Which one? - The middle one. - Yeah. - I don't see the blingy red dot. - Oh wait, there it is. - Oh, wow. - I had a pen, I looked over it, 'cause normally I can see it, I was like, oh, I see it. - It has a time counter on the top left, that's when you know it's there. - That's so funny, Baddie just talking and then he stops and...

Because that's what I- I make sure everyone's running! The slow turn! And I'm just like, "What the fuck is Batty looking at?" I don't like- I'm trying to be- What are you looking at? I don't see it. Wait, wait, wait, wait. We're very professional here. I just see that and I'm like, "Uh..." I was like, "But it was your camera that looked good on the camera!" I was like, "I want that one to be the fucked up camera!" "No, not that one!"

Wait, we were going to circle back. The one point I was going to say, though, is like, well, let me finish that first. A lot of people will DM me or whatever. They'll be like, hey, I'm thinking about starting a channel. What should I do? Hey, I just started a channel. What should I do?

or like I made the channel, what's my first video? You know, questions like that. The advice is make the video. It's going to be bad. You're going to look back on a year and cringe. And that's what you're supposed to do. You think I'm happy looking at the Guntuber upload that he brought up and now everyone's going to go check out? Of course not. I'm terrified that he brought it up. No, but like, if you never start, you'll never improve. You'll never go anywhere if you don't start somewhere, right? So just...

Just make the video. Use your iPhone. I used my iPhone microphone and camera for a while. I mean, can you hear iPhone cameras in my... They're pretty good right now. They're pretty good right now. Yeah, yeah. I remember there was a...

There used to be this old saying. It's like, write your story. I think Mark Twain would say it a lot. People would tell him about their life. He's like, write it. Just write your story. Just do it. And then J.J. Abrams, he's probably at E3 or something. I don't know. Some conference he gave. He said, now in the modern age. One of my favorite country singers. God, I want to slap him. J.J. Abrams? What? He's a good country singer. What are you talking about? Am I being punked? What?

That was good. I was like, does he have some obscure country album out there? I can see that real quick. Is he stupid? I was like, wait a minute. That was good. That was good. I like that.

This is what I have to put on with. Even worse, I just have to sit here and let it happen. Here we go again. This is the bad you lie in it. I made this, now I'm just leaving it. With Eli. I think going off of that, it is with content creation, YouTube videos, movies, story writing, you have to.

is Mark Twain. Anyone, even Snoop Dogg with, one of my favorite things is Snoop Dogg. What, Dre or who said it to him? One of them, just said, oh, it's Tupac. Tupac told Snoop, he was like, hey, make the fucking music. He's like, it doesn't have to be perfect. It's never going to be perfect. Put it out. Perfect your craft doing that versus holding onto it and be like, it has to be perfect. You do that, you will never release a damn thing. Like, that is his podcast. I can't wait to see this shirt. Uh,

Make the fucking music Tupac Eli double Because if you never get into it you never will get better if you don't yes absolutely well It's like it's like you know the whole thing about like bodybuilders and stuff's like you're never going to get a perfect body Unless you work with the bad one right like you have to start somewhere. It just it doesn't just happen and

And it's the same with consecration. You're not going to sit there and like formulate a perfect video. There's no such thing as a perfect video.

You gotta you gotta suffer through it like the rest of us did you gotta upload that cringy gameplay made in high school? Oh, yeah when you were playing Call of Duty zombies with your friends and we're like We're the funniest guys in the world and then you upload it like good do more. Okay, you'll get there eventually make another cringy one Yeah, make it more make it like for slightly less crazy. Yeah, okay And then one day one day you will make a video that you'll look back on and be like I'm so glad I got there Yeah, I did

Because now I have this success, which success isn't guaranteed, of course, but you'll get there if you do and look back and be like, man, I'm glad I let myself be dumb. Right.

I put the work in. A lot of people just don't want to put the work in. And as you're saying, it's that idea. It's like, oh, you can't make the perfect video. Let's say you wrote the perfect fucking script. It's perfect. You put that out. Guess what? Now, how do you film that? Where are the beats at? How do you edit that? How do you do your sound? Guess what? Now you have eight other things that have to be perfect to match said perfect video. That's why it's put out the shit. Just put shit out. This is why unsub sucks. Absolutely.

Everything else is not so good. Cameras weren't great for 80 episodes. Either was the audio. Oh my God. We had episodes where audio just like not work. I'll be honest. Dedicated mics are like insane to me.

'Cause like I finally got a road mic. I was just like swinging a blue Yeti around forever. If I had multiple people would be like, "Oh really, what's your thoughts?" And that was it. That's how I did everything. - The blue Yeti, it still has the base. - It did, it did. Like if you watch my old videos, it's like this size and it's me holding the stand like a claw. - Oh, you're holding the stand. - Yes, I'm holding the stand. Yeah, absolutely. The JFK video, which everyone loves for some reason, even though it wasn't well-made, but.

See? See? You look back and you're like, oh, was it good? But it got me here. I'm just like...

Death gripping the blue yeti the whole time as I'm talking. Oh man. It's got like a million views or something so we made it somehow. A lot of your videos, even your recent one which I really enjoyed. Do we go away? Hey Eli, did you ever have to learn a language when you were in high school before you dropped out because you're kind of an idiot? Yes. What language did you try to learn? Mexican. Spanish you mean? Yes. How much of Spanish did you learn? Muy poquito.

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There's not a direct translation. Straight up. Okay. I was like, I don't know what it means. That's why I need to take Russian from Babel. So you can explain. You're like, it's like a, like a riddle. That's any language. I don't understand is a fucking riddle. I'm, I'm,

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Absolutely. I was like, what's your favorite video game series? I hate Resident Evil so much. I know. So... Kiss him if you want. I hate Resident Evil. I'm just kidding. So, anyway... Oh, I like it. I... You just kissed him and said...

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For so long I don't see the appeal what you mean you don't I don't Survival

What do you mean you don't get you you play the game and you're like that was fun. That's what you get I shot zombies in a giant monster infected by a t-bite. Yeah. Yeah, whatever fucking viruses I shot that guy in his head exploded That's dude. You see this upgraded desert eagle their heads pop. It's dope. Which resident eagles have you played? uh

7 and 6 7 and 36 is the worst. This is the worst. Maybe you think that's why I made well, it's the worst I don't know which Resident Evil it was the first one I actually started with it was PlayStation 2 I don't remember which one it is. Maybe the original for then was it in a city or a village? It was a city absolutely two or three you were playing like a cop or something. That would be too Okay. Yes. It was well if it's ps2 though, they know it was Resident Evil 4

Wait, it was a city? Yeah, it said it was a city. Oh, yeah. Then Resident Evil 2. Male cop or female cop? Male cop. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, city, Resident Evil 2. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But all my friends liked it. I didn't like it at all.

I'll give him this. As someone who's younger, I didn't grow up with it. When I was playing PlayStation 2, I was 8. Yeah. He was like 45. Sorry. When I was playing...

I love having younger guests on this show. Because he was like, I could be your father. I could. You could, actually. Yeah. All right, I don't want to talk about that. Okay, anyway. Tell him you're proud of him. Tell him you're proud of him. I'm proud of you, son. I'm proud of you, dad. I knew you would make it in YouTube. You're a good kid. That's a pretty good impression of my dad. I love my dad very much. Tell me you're disappointed in me. Son, Kyle.

Listen he's gonna call me and be like told you you were dumb

You were dumb. - He's gonna do it. He just calls, laughs, and hangs up. - He's done that shit. - We talked about Pokemon cards and how we were all, "Oh, let's get back to Pokemon cards. "They're worth a whole bunch of money." He called me. He literally goes, "I found all your Pokemon cards "from when you were a kid." 'Cause they'd been missing. I thought they got thrown away or sold. Then I go, "Wait, for real?" He's like, "Yeah, I've had them in my storage "this whole time." I'm like, "Oh wait, that's awesome."

Kidding. That's a good one. Thank you. That was great.

I was too young to experience the OG games. Yeah, I actually never played the Resident Evil like what you're like middle school and stuff It was when I was in high school

And I was like, I want to play. Like, I was just in a mindset where I was like, I want to play a horror game. And like two days ago, Resident Evil 7 came out. I'm like, never played Resident Evil. Let's try it out. Oh, my God. That's a high school. You want to talk about falling in love with the game? I played that and I was like,

Like, where have you been all my life, right? What the fuck is this? Yeah, I was blown away. Just like, you're thrown in this horror setting. Like, fun gameplay. Like, abstract body horror and stuff. I was like, this is great. I...

played that game so much i remember i got every achievement i would start speed running it i'd like to watch speed runs on youtube and try to copy what they were doing to see how fast i get through obsessed with the game yeah uh and then i was like i gotta go back and play the old ones and yeah like i i played the resident evil one remake that's you know tank controls tank control so what i was gonna say is like as someone who didn't grow up with it if i i

I like them because I like the story, I'm invested in it, but I haven't replayed those games because I didn't like the controls. They were so clunky to me, right? Because... They're antiquated. Yes, at the time, cool, right? But going from 7 to that, I was like, eh, I'm good. But then... It's part of the horror, though, when you're running and you're like... It is, it is. And then you have to, like, stop and you're like...

You gotta rotate to get around the corner. And then the camera changes and your controls are suddenly reversed because you're trying to run on a map that's now this way. You're just falling. I remember. I don't know. I was always playing your Final Fantasies, things like that. And even now, I'm either playing a hardcore shooter survival game

or a complete RPG and there is nothing else for me. Like I can't get into Resident Evil. It just... - Have you played, so you said you played like the one on the PS2, right? - Yeah. - Have you played any of the modern ones? - Seven. - No, like remake of two, remake of three. - Oh no, I haven't done any of the remakes. - Two remakes is, I was so stoked. - Don't, don't flip the hand at me. - Tell them how disappointed you are. - I'm disappointed, son.

See, that's your dad in that too. Okay. I loved the Resident Evil 2. I love the Resident Evil 2 remake so much. I have probably speedrun that game.

If I'm being honest, over 50 times. You know Summoning Salt? Do you watch Summoning Salt videos? I do, yes. Yeah, I love Summoning Salt. Yeah, great channel. Great channel. Now you're high-fiving me. How'd you get in here? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

I'm sorry, I was busy doing Dungeons and Dragons. Nerd. I've never enjoyed horror games. I think that's really it. I just don't care. You just want him to hate you. I'm kicking the hornet's nest here, I know. This started at the level of like, you know, I'm not really into sushi. And I'm like, oh, really? Why? And you're like, I just don't eat meat. Like, that is a wildly word. I also do hate sushi.

Make a podcast with this guy.

I love sushi. I have talked myself into a quarter. I am aware and I will willingly continue to do so. Alright. You've got one more strike. Sushi Resident Evil. Like, man. Okay, alright. He's pissed. Maintaining myself. Give me booze. Don't make me breath in the sword. I'll bring out the sword. No, no, no, no. That's just because...

You know what? Eli will get it. Eli will get it. I walked in the room. I am a fan of Berserk, right? Yes, yes, absolutely. My man, yes. I'm an entire sleep. I'm a fan of Berserk. I walked in the door, was standing over at the counter, and looked over here, and I just saw the blade chip. I was like, oh, is that Gutsword? Is that Gutsword? And he's like, no, it's Cloud. And I'm like, oh. And then I walked closer. I was like, yeah, I see that now. Yeah, yeah.

Get me now! Caught me now! I'm gonna do it! Is that the Dragon Slayer? I self-reported! Yeah, yeah. I self-reported! Yes! He doesn't like Berserk. Yeah, I gotta go. It's actually time. Thank you everyone. Uh, Wendigoon here on YouTube. See you. Thank you. Really? It's just bad hentai. That's all Berserk is. What? Bad hentai? Bro, it's my favorite. Obviously, it's my favorite anime. I don't think you know what that word means.

Oh, I know! I've done extensive, extensive research. What? Berserk? Because of the, because of the, you're referring to the, uh, uh, the, the, the god, the god hand scene, right? Where, where they all, where they, yeah, the eclipse, where they all get, like, shredded? Yeah. That, that's hentai to you. That's what you consider. Oh! I think I found the root problem. Oh!

Oh, okay, mister going down the dark path of every spooky story, but I do it one time. I watch some fucked up hentai one time. Now I'm the weirdo.

I'm just saying you watched a guy get ripped in half by a monster and you're like, oh, yeah. Yeah. I know what this is. You haven't seen that in time? It's like, wait, wait, wait. We didn't all watch that? That was homework for the episode. I mean, when I was in high school, there was some weird shit on the internet. The internet was new. Newgrounds was popping off. Oh, it's still there. It's still there. Oh, yeah, I know. But to go back to...

Before hating. Before we figured out that he doesn't like Resident Evil, you were talking about video games in general, right? That's where this started. I was asking, what kind of games do you like? I'm like, I love Resident Evil. And Batty was like, oh yes, my time to hate it. Like, yeah, ready. It's my favorite segment of the podcast when I get to talk about how much I hate the new game that's out right now. Everything you love. He's just pouring coffee on you. What game do you like? What is it?

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Be you be the best version of you what in the first shawl blade. I'm worrying What other was I guarantee like Silent Hill you probably? Actually as a matter of fact, I've never played Silent Hill I've watched playthroughs of them because All like whereas roles whereas Resident Evil. Yes. I hear it's horrible. Whereas Resident Evil is like a

You know, they want people to be... Yeah, survival horror. And, like, the devs want people to be able to play it. Silent Hill is, like... Until the remake that's coming out, which I will be playing. But until... Before then, it's like, oh, well, yeah, go buy a Nintendo 64. Then you can play. Or whatever console it first came out with. Yeah, like PlayStation, PlayStation. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

yeah yeah it's like oh yeah go buy a playstation one uh by the way if you try to emulate it we'll like uh take it down or whatever but yeah you can go find a playstation one and an original disc that isn't scratched up and then you can play the game that way yeah like okay no thanks they did the remake of the uh it was like for xbox or it was like an updated system like hey we're real we're relaunching it and they fucked it up it was better on the playstation because the fog

They're like, "Update the graphics." Which got rid of the fog. - Let's just get rid of the particles. - Oh, oh. Yeah, so all the fog's gone. Now you're just in a city. - It's way less scary now. - That's funny. - It's like the mist with no mist. - That's funny. That's pretty good. Just a dog runs out. Yeah. - It was literally what happened. - I thought you meant they emptied up too much. I didn't realize they went the wrong way with the slider. - They're like-- - Turned off the mist. - Particles. - No mist. - None.

Yeah, there was nothing. It was just like... Really? I didn't know that. Everyone was like, this is not as scary. I'm not going to lie. I'm being honest. I think the fog was a good choice. That's why I was scared when I played middle school. I think I played the...

original one and that just sold absolutely fucking old in that game though absolutely terrifying yeah oh it's like for resident evil like when resident evil 1 2 the dogs jumping through the yeah all those little like moments as a child you're like you know uh the original i forget his name uh wesker chris redfield berry well well the characters yes but the one the creators of the game oh oh um it

It was the guy who came up with the actual, he was the director, effectively, of Lobbit. He famously hated scary stuff. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you talked about this on the podcast before? No. Okay, all right. So the creator of the original Resident Evil despised scary stuff. Just like me. Love it. He wrote comedy, I think, right? And he was given the job because they're like, you're scared of everything, so make stuff that's scary. So when he made the original Resident Evil, he was like, I would hate it.

if dogs jump through a window right here. So he puts it in the game, and whenever they go to playtest it, he wouldn't watch. He'd be like, okay, did it happen? All right. And then go back to it like he was terrified of the game itself. And like, the original Resident Evil, like, well, sure, graphics and stuff and controls are dated. Great voice acting. It's...

A Jill sandwich, yeah. You almost became a Jill sandwich. You, the master of lockpicking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I miss all of those badass lines. They're so good. Jill, there's a snake! Watch out! We've played some of the old Metal Gear and Resident Evil voice lines here before. Metal Gear has good voice acting. Metal Gear 3 is...

How do you feel about Metal Gear? Oh my god, yeah, Batty. Go on. The two games I always say I hate more than anything. The two game series, I don't like Metal Gear and I don't like Resident Evil. Those are my two I don't care. I get to talk like this now. Give me one story-based game. Legend of Zelda.

That's what I was playing. I was the Nintendo 64, Legend of Zelda. That was me. Yeah. Pokemon. I'm probably blowing out the mic. You were a Nintendo kid. Absolutely. 100%.

I had a PlayStation 2. I see the problem. My friend had a PlayStation, so I could go over and that's how I found the Final Fantasy genre. I always played on my buddy's PlayStation. Then I got a PlayStation 2, and that's when I started being able to do it myself. But at that point, I didn't care about Resident Evil. Have you ever seen anything in Metal Gear Solid 3, Snake Eater? No. Thank you. No. Okay. All right. Anyway, so yeah, I like...

He's like, I don't even want to beat you. Death Stranding wasn't even that good, okay? That one's fine. That one's fine. I'll give you that. Hideo went Hideo on that one. Yeah, yeah, he did. Well, it's a stacking carrying simulator. I'm a UPS man. That one, sure. No offense for you, boss. Man, that honestly...

I have to be careful about saying this. Honestly, Metal Gear Solid 3 is probably the reason I'm so radicalized right now. If I'm being honest. Okay, you know Metal Gear Solid 3, right?

I am I so the reason I joined the military was because of Metal Gear Solid so like that's why I was like I need to fucking go to war and stuff which is the exact opposite of the message of Metal Gear yeah I was about to say like the game's pretty anti-military but I guess yeah it looks cool my son's named Raiden like in the NGS5 came out Liquid Snake's name's Eli and I was like my oh I have fulfilled the promise I'm Hideo Kojima

Really? At a VIP party at the first PAX I went to. Okay, all right. So, yeah, you definitely get it. All right, so in Metal Gear Solid 3... Thank you. So... Don't open your body to him. I need closed-off body language right now. Rotate your shoulders. At the end of Metal Gear Solid 3, the game is about...

- Wait, wait, wait, wait. Is three the one with, or big boss? - Snake Eater out in 1960s, 70s, yeah. - With the girl with the fucking- - It's in Vietnam. It's post-Vietnam. - Oh no, you're talking about Quiet. - Quiet, yes. Which one was Quiet? - No, that's five. That's five. - Okay, I know Quiet, and I actually think I do know the one that was in Vietnam, 'cause I have played one of them. I don't remember which one, because again, it wasn't a game that stuck with me, 'cause I didn't care.

I know. I know. I'm digging the hole. I get it. Did you play enough? You didn't finish it, right? No, definitely not. 100% didn't finish it. It's hard.

I pray for you. So, anyway. I don't know, when I got in the Deku Tree, I was just too much and I hate Legends of Zelda. Barry just stops and he doesn't complete the first dungeon. He's like, it's just a shit game, you know? Yeah, yeah. I was playing a little bit. I was like, what are all the trees doing here? Are those bad guys playing? I am a chronic, a serial, if you will. I will stop a game if I don't enjoy it in the first couple hours.

100 i'll just be like never gonna play this again metal gear is only a couple hours long like i think you can speed run it and like bro i was busy playing fantasy star online like i don't know what you want from me right now okay

Which, by the way, they're bringing back Phantasy Star Online. Don't change the subject. I'm going to tell them about how Metal Gear 3 ends. At the end of Metal Gear 3... Yes, you deserve it. At the end of Metal Gear 3, the character who goes on to be Big Boss, Snake. Naked Snake. Yes, that was a good impression. He does it all the time. It's a new one. Crab Battle. Crab Battle.

He's like, damn it. I just want to get that. Windy goon. That was good. Thank you. That helped.

And at the end of Metal Gear 3, throughout the entire game, Big Boss has been tracking down, the boss has been tracking down his mentor, who's now a traitor to the United States. And it turns out at the end of the game that she was not a traitor, but she allowed herself to become a traitor publicly in order to keep the state secrets. So she effectively laid down her life and reputation so that the United States government could maintain its legitimacy.

and when i was a kid very much middle military that literally what the army would do so what so i metal gear solid 3 was the first one i played right because i hadn't played there that was the first one i came on to so i was playing metal gear solid 3 and the entire time i'm like i'm playing as big boss right i'm like isn't he the bad guy because metal gear solid 3 is a prequel right uh in the first two he's the bad guy he's the one that snake's going after right um

So, throughout all of Metal Gear Solid 3, which it's a clone. Yeah. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird. Hideo Koji, whatever. Same person, but not. Yeah. Anyway. So, Metal Gear Solid 3, I'm like, this is the bad guy, right? I'm playing as the bad guy the whole time. I'm like, he's not a bad guy. What's that about? And at the end of the game, whenever Snake or...

Big boss. Yeah. Kills boss. And then it shows in the epilogue that he finds out that she was not a traitor and that he willingly for the government hunted her down and killed her. He goes to her grave that says the traitor and he stands there in Arlington and salutes her. Yeah.

Like the hero, like the perfect American soldier who was trained by this woman who he cared deeply about now standing before her grave that says the traitor. And in spite of it saluting and the moment he saluted, I sat there and I went,

he's not the villain. That's just what they call him. Yeah. And that was like a monumental moment for me in understanding story and understanding character. It was like, it was like a switch flipped and I'm like, he's not the bad guy. That's just the label. Right.

Right. And that's why I say it radicalized. Cause that's where outer heaven. And that's why he started this military. He won. He wanted his own world where it was like, Hey, soldiers that do this are respected. And it is not the government. They are betrayed by their state. Yeah. You're not tools of the government. Like a great box says, he's like, you're not tools for the government. Soldiers of yourself, not soldiers of their fortune.

And this whole time, I was just going... Breaking pots, collecting my rupees. Does this table flip?

I mean, like Metal Gear, all those stories. I love stories like that, especially when you get those deep stories in video games. I wish you're too young. Xenogears, actually, I would tell you to play Xenogears. I mean, there's the ones on Switch now available, I believe. I'm almost positive. PlayStation 1 game. It is an RPG. I don't know how big you are into JRPGs. I've dabbled, you know. For a story-based game, especially when you... Xenoblade. Yeah, okay, yeah. Xenoblade. Xenoblade. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That will, especially for a 1997 game, you'll go into that, you'll play it, and your mind's going to be like, holy fuck, this came out in 1997. This is groundbreaking. This is like, they had to switch it for American release. They had to redo a lot of the stuff for American release because the bad guy, the main character,

- You are not, you are, no. I am putting what you are not explaining the entire history of Xenogears for the fourth time on this podcast. - He was like, no. - Our viewers knows Xenogears better than anybody else at this point. - It's so good. - But I'm not going to because you, I will bet you will play it, but like the main antagonist and this is out the gate, it's God. It is a different book. - Oh wow, okay. - And this is 1997, so you're like, what the fuck? And little kid Eli,

- Whoa. - Fucking dope as shit. - God like the one? - Yeah, the Deus. - What? - We switched it to Deus for America. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It was funny, the American trailer was like, "Yeah, we can't say the bad guy's God."

Really? That sounds like an American translation. Japan was like, but do I? It was like, no, we can't do that, guys. Okay, let's teach you to dance. And then they're good. Fair enough, yeah. Play it. I promise for story. I'm also into all those weird religious, like, you know, I've made videos about like Daunties. I'm into all the weird religions.

of religious stuff. Absolutely. The terror of angels in their normal form and why they're terrifying creatures. Ball of eyes, man. The horrific might of God. Yeah. Very interesting. Like, hey guys, what? It's like, I just picture this top. It's like, hey, it's an angel. I'm like, hey, what's that? What the?

We talked about this a little bit before on a different episode, but like, speaking of horror movies, this is the terrifying thing. What was the terrifying spooky movie? Not Midsommar. Like that came out recently? Oh, no. Midsommar's director is the same one. Oh, Ari Aster, who directed Hereditary. Hereditary. Right here, which I'm assuming you've seen probably more times than you should have.

Yeah. I've seen that movie a lot. Yeah. Isn't it crazy? That was his first movie. Yeah. Well, it was his second, but his first big, uh, that was his first, uh, theatrical release. Yeah. He did one before that, but to have that skill level for directing and,

Human reaction is why I always compliment his directing style. He gets human interaction. Yes. It's like this is how people would actually react in this situation. I watched Hereditary first week of that on theaters. I'm like, this guy is something special. This is great. I've followed him thoroughly since Midsommar. His new movie coming out, Bo is Afraid. Oh, I can't wait for that one. I haven't heard of it. That has a... Joaquin Phoenix. Joaquin Phoenix. Really? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

yeah he's gonna be terrifying absolutely yeah i have no concept of what it's about but i don't want to i want to walk in and get scared yeah um the thing you like the thing you've watched the thing right oh yes that's that's probably my favorite historically my favorite horror movie yeah yeah definitely

What's funny about the thing is that that movie was actually despised when he came out I know what you know

You know, it's crazy. So the John Comforter film was based off of the 1950s film, The Thing from Outer Space or Thing from Another World, whatever. That was based off of a book called Who Goes There?

and like as far as titles go the thing's cool for like a horror a monster who goes there who goes there is one of the coolest titles i've ever heard because it's about you know the darkness of and that's what the book played on more like the darkness of antarctica and the idea of these shapes and figures forming in a land that shapes would not exist there's no life out

here and that's where a lot of the horror came from and those are my like my two favorite settings are dead space space settings where it's an isolated like the is here whatever it is and then you have like alaska or antar sorry antarctica where it's like again lifeless so when you're there and now there's a bump in the night you're like that's not human because there is no human in this

fucking area absolutely that's why it goes there dead space two three especially but death space two it lost it the second it was like you're in a city now there's humans in around i was like dead space two my last day i didn't like dead space two

Am I allowed to say that? The first one was good. I can live with that. You like it? Wait, you said you don't like horror games. But then again, Dead Space is a newer IP. So at that point, I was trying newer things. You like new? Wait, wait, wait. You blankedly said you don't like horror games. I don't, but I've played Dead Space. You like it? Yeah. Then you like a horror game. Not really. What? I didn't know. Are you saying Dead Space isn't really a horror game?

No, it's a horror game, but it's... Okay. Sci-fi horror, maybe. I don't know. You don't like sci-fi? No, Dead Space is absolutely a sci-fi horror. You like sci-fi horror? Yes. You like sci-fi horror? Yeah. What do you consider horror horror? I don't think Resident Evil is a horror horror. Resident Evil is...

I don't find those games horror. Absolutely sci-fi horror. Maybe not like 7 and 8, but like the OGs, the remakes, are 100% sci-fi horror. There's bioweapons. It's like the death of a generation of sci-fi. Yeah. It's not in space! Science fiction horror! It's not in space! It's not in space is what I'm saying! Sci-fi is space, yes. That's right. To the sky. No!

I said that about he's like someone gets it finally. Yes, but science fiction Sorry, does it just exist in space? It's here, too Real

Oh, this is good. So is Spice. That's okay. It's like, what do you want from me? I don't know. Sunshine. What's the movie, Sunshine? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It was Cillian Murphy. Yeah. Weird. The third act, I was like, oh, I wish they did the third act, but really good sci-fi horror. I love strange horror. Yeah. Like just weird like that. What's the other one?

Event Horizon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Age is good. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You've seen Event Horizon, right?

I don't even want to look at him after you ask something. Tell me what he says. I know what the answer will be, but I can't look at his face. I am so far down the fantasy path. I don't care. You know what? I'll give you that because I was never much of a fantasy kid. I was always more of a sci-fi kid. I was never that into Lord of the Rings, super into Star Wars. Exactly. Lord of the Rings, that was...

Everything to me great. I still have our words, but I'll see a different cloth I Loved redditary though. I'm not normally so her tears nuts. No, I know I know I know but it's for we're back to the horror thing remember I don't like horror games fuck off bullshit

I hate this fucking podcast. Why did I invite him? I did this to myself. This man legit. We were talking about science fiction. It's like, no, but I like her. Science fiction horror. Batty's got a select few guests on. You're one of them. And it's... He's the one that brought you on. It's such a bummer when you could never, ever, ever come back.

I can't wait to talk to Brandon about how he's beat here so much. It's so a shame that you died after the podcast. Okay, yeah. I'm literally the antithesis of what you do and what you like. All right, all right. I do feel bad bragging a little bit. Good, I hope you do. I'm going to cry. We both like hereditary. Yes. All right.

We're good. Continue. Let's hold on. That's it. What? What do you like? You like air too? Me too. Okay. We both breathe sometimes. Yeah. No, I just wanted to hear like a little bit of how you felt about that type of setting going from...

you know how we were talking about horror video games to that actual horror style movie. Psychological horror. I think that's truly the only kind of horror I really like is that deep-seated psychological horror because jump scare stuff doesn't do it for me anymore. I just don't care about a lot of horror things because so much of it I feel is

is playing on just jump scare, just that constant, oh, you're waiting for the, it's going to be in your face thing. And that feels cheap to me in so many games that are horror games, I feel rely on a lot of that type of tactic.

Well, what is, I assume, like, if I can rephrase that, is the idea of, like, what is the most terrifying form of horror? Is it the psychological? Is it, like, we've discussed. I want to be afraid. Amnesia is a game where I say, hey, that's a scary- That is a terrifying game. Absolutely. You're taking, I always say, you're taking the weapon away from the individuals. Do you like amnesia? A little bit, yeah. Yeah, I can-

Continue. You're taking the weapon away. I didn't mean to cut you off. Was that a good thing or a bad thing? This man, he's like, I don't like horror games. Unless it's, you know, Dead Space, Amnesia. It feels like you're gaslighting him. Yeah, that's... I have no concept. I don't find Resident Evil games scary. You just don't like Resident Evil. I really just don't. Any other horror game. What's it called? Honeypot? Honey... Honeypotting? Yeah, I hear about it. You're honeypotting. I'm honeypotting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

the type of horror I like is like that. I need to feel truly terrified because normal things don't scare me like that. Like normal, scary, like a scary movie. I don't care. It's the body morphia stuff. That's not going to do it. You need a deeper, right? You need a, or even video. Yeah.

Hereditary. What was the original, oh God, the house was haunted. They had like the camera set up. It was super low budget. Paranormal activity. Like your original paranormal activity, like that type of stuff, that really was like. Realism. Yeah, that's what I need in a horror setting to actually enjoy it, I feel, because. You need a real situation. Yes, I need to feel that visceral response to it. Otherwise, it feels cheap and fake to me, which is why I don't enjoy a lot of these horror,

scary games or get like a lot of they feel cheap to me because i don't find any of that scary like i can read a spooky story like okay it doesn't bother me and i think that's my issues i need something to be like to fuck with me i i think what it might be uh i'm a piece of shit no no you're not anyone can come back um

I think what it is is just you haven't played a lot of good horror games. A lot of what you're saying is the same thing a lot of people apply to horror movies. I like horror movies. They're jump scares. They do stuff like that. It's like, well, yeah, a lot of them are, but a lot of them are hereditary and stuff like that aren't. And film is in a unique sense to where

Like the director, the creators of a film have 100% control on how you experience the product. Everything you see is tailored. Whereas in a video game, there's a lot more user response. So what that means, different people play games different ways. Some people like me speed run, like play them over and over. Some people play it once and they're done.

So what that means is that horror games that are popular are going to naturally be much more subjective than movies that are popular. Right. So like resident evil is really popular, but I've,

100% will admit I love the Resident Evil games they're not that scary I've never been that scared by them I like some of the scary themes like you know the gothic architecture and the creepy monsters 7 I think 7 7 has moments and 8 has moments I remember the first time playing walking through like the castle and stuff I'm like that's pretty creepy but you know now I've speed ran the game 20 times it's

Because it is, right? Exactly. You've got a lot of that. But that's because I enjoyed the game. I like the fun part of it. But yeah, it's not scary. Six. Actually, six going off of that. Six is weird because six is like, here's action. And Leon's stuff was, they tried to do Resident Evil 2. Yeah, they tried to go back to the horror stuff. But then it was like, action, action. And that's where I was like, oh. After four, they just went, wee.

The boulder. Punch the boulder. But what that means is that a lot of the horror games that get popular are going to be ones that will tailor to a certain play style. I talk about Resident Evil because I have fun playing it, not because it's scary. But naturally, just because I talk about it, that means Resident Evil will become more popular. So I think maybe you should... I'm also not trying to sound like

Oh, you haven't played a horror game before. No, I don't mean it like that. But there are really good horror games out there. Among Us is super scary, guys, right? Yeah, okay. He lost me. All right. You were saying that horror takes away the tools from you. Yeah, yeah. Back to that. No.

I'll say that a whole bunch is if you don't have firearms in a video game or something to defend yourself, that's where you get your clock towers. You get those. Yeah. It adds that element. I'm like, Oh fuck. Yeah. It's like playing Ashley. We've talked about that. Like you have no weapons and you're just like Leon and you're just terrified. You're like, fuck. Yeah. Get through this part. And I, you're just running. Heart starts racing. I die. If I fuck this up, dead space, dead space,

And also how powerful you start to get in the games. It becomes less terrifying. Absolutely. The tyrant was scary because it could fucking murder you instantly. Leading up to the time, you're like, I got this. And zombies are like, I'll just blow a bunch of way. Then you get the liquors. You're like, oh, fuck. These things will fucking murder me if I fuck this up really quick. And that's where my horror. You guys remember Left 4 Dead? What a scary game it was. Yeah.

I love Left 4 Dead. It's such a great game! I hate that you phrase it in a way I can't agree with you. That's what I don't like. The little crying girls in the corner with the light flickering. So scary. Oh, the... The witch. Yeah, the witch, yeah. Well, if you're going to, like, wood games, like Slender Man. I don't know. Did you play any of those, like... Back... Yeah, yeah. Like the little... Cheapo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, of course. Or even when Hideo... It's a goddamn travesty. It's a goddamn travesty.

PT. If PT was released, I would have been in fucking heaven. I've got to say, out of every... I'm not going to say every project, but out of every video game project I've ever heard of, that is the greatest tragedy. By far. You know what we're talking about, right? That's fine. If he doesn't know. It's just when he viscerally doesn't like something. That is an issue. I'm not going to lie.

There was this trailer that dropped on PlayStation. Out of nowhere. It was a game. It was like download for free called PT. It stood for Playable Teaser. Playable Trailer. And it was... How long did it take to play? 10, 15 minutes? Yep. 10, 15 minutes of... If you knew exactly... If you knew exactly what to do. Of some of the coolest...

What would the word for it be it's like it's like there's horror but most of the scary stuff is clouded from like subdued horror it was some of the coolest implied or implied or yeah, that I have ever seen in like that amount of time in the game it was it was there was a one looping hallway and as you went through things just slowly change the best put together scares terrifying great and then trailer ends and

with your character you find a way out of the house then cuts to a cinematic of norman reedus walking down the street he turns around looks at the camera keeps walking it's down an abandoned road and then it says silent hills like this was supposed to be the new silent hill game sorry norman reedus with one of the best intros ever

they dropped it Hideo Kojima and um Del Toro were the two directors yes for this game and they dropped it and it was a terrifying like it's a repeating hallway so it's just like two it's like an L hallway it's an L that's the game that's and then you're like uh little sounds would happen and then you go through it and then now all the lights are off and you're like

Okay, what the fuck? And there's like a small glow, then the phone rings. And there's a radio. And what was so cool was like, it was a teaser, right? So you got implications of a bigger story. Like the radio was talking about like a man who murdered a family of four. It talks in detail about how he hunted the daughter through the house and how he took his own life. And then you pick up the phone, it's like a baby crying. And then

There's a fetus in the sink at one point. And you get the idea that your character is almost in a purgatory or a hell. And the idea a lot of people had is like, is my character the killer? Is this hell? Is that what I'm rapping through? There's a woman that if you...

follows you down the hallway. - Oh god, that fucking, oh that's- - Yeah, her head's like twitching and broken. It's like, maybe that's the wife of the person I killed, yeah. - The hallway, there's like, when you go around- - And this is a 10, 15 minute teaser. - Yes, yeah. This was a trailer for a game, yeah. - One of the scariest things is when you walk down that corner and you see the ghost lady for the first time, it's like- - Oh my word.

It's just in the background. She's far enough away. It's a shape. Yeah. You may not have seen it. And it's just like, it's doing that erratic like shudder. The creepy twitch. Yeah. And you're like, what the fuck? And it's gone. And then you turn around.

grabs your fucking head. And you're like, ah! But if you never turn around and try to backtrack, that never happens. Like, it's just, you stumble across that. So, like, yeah. And so it's like, oh, maybe my character, like, maybe he killed his family, now he's in a purgatory. Maybe he has to relive the trauma. Maybe he knew the people. Like, so many questions, they drop the game. The biggest tragedy...

in horror games by far. Yeah, without a doubt. It was that close. Silent Hills. I'm surprised something like this hasn't resurfaced with how much they're bringing back old IPs or just... That's what we're hoping with Kojima. Well, see, what happened is Kojima, it's good to see they're remaking it, right? Because it's like, oh, they remember. Yeah.

They know it exists. Yeah. Cause like the last thing they did with silent Hill before that, uh, was they made like these like slot machine things in Japan. What are they called? Oh, the Konami does the clink, uh,

Yeah, I'm not familiar with the culture. Panko, Pico, Pico. I know what you're talking about. It's like a slot machine thing. That's it. That's the only Silent Hill thing they've done in like 10 years other than PT. Really? Yeah, yeah. It's like they have this massive... Resident Evil's killing it. Giant. You want to talk about like a game series that came back. Like they killed it with 6 and 7 was like the resurrection. Now they got the remakes.

It's doing great. And Silent Hill... See, I can appreciate 7. Yeah, it's doing well. Yes, I have done an entire watch through of 7. I played the first bit of it. Sure, Resident Evil games aren't for me. I can appreciate why these games are good. Yes, yeah, yeah. And so, like, that's happening with Capcom. And Konjima's like, eh, eh, we don't need Silent Hill. Like, what is wrong with you? And that, like, everyone wanted PT to happen, but...

When they made Death Stranding with Norman Reedus, I kind of saw... Because Del Toro was a part of that too, right? So it's like they redirected their assets to Death Stranding. Yeah. That's what we wanted. Bring it back to Silent Hill. We wanted this. We wanted Silent Hills. Yeah. Because they had that entire...

"Fuck show with MGS5." And that's why part of Silent Hills was a problem and all that shit happened. - So I'm assuming that Kojima and whoever owns the Silent Hill IP, they're not friends anymore. - Well, right now, so Konami... - Is it Konami? - It's Konami, right? - Yup. Do you know they're remaking Metal Gear Solid 3?

Don't tell me that. Uh-huh. Don't tell me that. Right now, everything's like, that's why everyone's like, holy shit. Yeah, so right now, that's like the main thing. Everything's like, it's been hinted at. It's like, hey. They're jumping straight to three. Yeah, they're just doing it because that's the one everyone wants. That is the one. That is the one. Everyone's like. Like I said, that was. If we're being completely honest, partially the reason I'm here right now as a YouTuber is because of Metal Gear Solid 3. To a degree. To a degree. Me being interested in the things I'm in. Yeah.

Yeah, especially when it comes to like anti-government. Anyway. I'm a libertarian at heart. Mostly just not liking the government. We can get behind that. But that's what I'm surprised you didn't know. I didn't know that. Man, I'm going to cry. That's beautiful. Just a genuine reaction so he knows it's like MGS3 remake.

Bro, it's all the tops like yo For you I'm not gonna say I'm gonna play it but I'll buy it. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I support I'll support it Thank you. I'm sure the gameplay will be updated, right? And the story the story like broke my little heart

I still think about him saluting that tombstone all the time. I can't wait to see it because that game had revolutionary shit, like from the camo system to the eating system and all these little things that Hideo implemented. Yeah, you had to pick the right camo depending on your terrain. See, that's kind of cool. Hideo always pushes the envelope, and that's why I wanted to see Silent Hills because it's pushing that envelope in everything possible.

And they're like, no, we don't need to make it. Now, fuck this game. Wasn't there a terrible Silent Hill movie?

Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of terrible video game movies. A lot of really, really Resident Evil. Yes. This year's the first time where it's like dogs through the window, the lasers. It was a great movie. I want like if you give me, I've always said it was like give me money and let me direct one thing. My dream project would be Metal Gear Solid, Dead Space, and then probably like Silent Hill. If I can make three video game adaptations, those would be it.

Okay. That would be fucking perfect. God damn it. So good! So good! See, like, for you guys, that was what you were doing. I was playing Morrowind for more hours than I can even count at this point. Like, I have played the Elder Scrolls series so much...

It's a little disgusting. And even more so, I've played like the first 40 hours of those games because I'll go in and I'll remod them and I'll start over and I'll mod it even more and I'll start over. Right. That's what I was doing that whole time. I was just playing RPGs. I was an RPG kid. Trying to think of a horror RPG. A horror RPG. I know there's some. There is... No, not really. Those don't really...

There has to be. I'm surprised. Japan has definitely been something. There's horror RPGs. I just can't think of any right now because you asked. I could probably think of some otherwise, but yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the hardest one. What are your top, your favorite movies? Like if you have your top three, you said The Thing, which I'll agree on that one. Movies or horror movies? Horror movies. Horror movies, okay. And then one, and then three regular movies just because actually outside the scope of horror, what is your style of

okay all right uh so i'll i'll say for horror let's go the thing um man trying to think of stuff that was influential things up there uh i read it hereditary is pretty high up there i don't know if it would be top three but it's a fantastic film probably the descent oh okay which indy

Oh, of course. The one where she's still in the cave. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how it was supposed to end. The one with the birthday cake where she's down in the bomb. That was so cool. She made it and she's back. And she's back. That was one of the ones that was like a deep, like one of the first horror movies I watched as a kid. I was like, I want to do that. Like, that's cool. Cool stories like that. As a kid, I watched it when I got back from Iraq. Yeah.

Later they remember going to be there with a huge. Thank you for your service, so I could watch descent as a child Thank you the descent producer service Oh man, what would I know there's so many I

Let's throw... What's the cinematic universe that they're building around The Witch? There's that. The what? Is it The Witch? Witch? Is it getting a cinematic universe? Yeah, there's like a series of six films that are all connected. Robert Edgars? No, you're talking about Annabelle and shit like that? I think maybe there's that one. There is... Oh, God. What is it? I know you're not happy about it.

Do you mean the conjuring? Yes. I knew you were going to be. Why?

Can I not say the Conjuring? Can I not say the Conjuring? Because I know your fans and I already know his true reaction. Yeah, the witch. That was the other one. Thank you. He's like sweating. His knees weak, arms spaghetti, palms sweaty. Okay, okay. I need to quit being mean to you on your own podcast. That's disrespectful. With Rogue Witch! That's disrespectful. I'm not going to do that. I will say... Top three is like, what about the witch? I will say peacefully...

The lighthouse the lighthouse would be probably my Okay

- Okay, but what is wrong with the witch? So he doesn't know the drama behind the witch apparently. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The cinematic universe is the, okay, the first Conjuring film was made by James Wan, right? He made the second one as well. I don't know, he's a producer on the others, I don't know what his creative role is in things like Annabelle, The Nun, whatever. That is, all of those stories are around the Warrens and Lorraine Warren, who is a real couple who did Supernatural hauntings. - Yes, yes.

supposedly there's theories around it, but yeah, officially. And the cinematic universe is films made by Blumhouse Entertainment, pretty sure Blumhouse, around their doings. Annabelle, all those tie into the Warrens. Yes. The Witch is a horror movie made by Robert Edgar's

That is an analogy for the Garden of Eden portrayed through an early American settler family whose overt religious beliefs allows the literal devil to creep into their lives and affect them. And because of their self-righteousness, they don't recognize their own sin and transgressions. So the witch, really good.

important in my mind and something to aspire to. Horror movie, The Conjuring, stupid cash grab. - Okay, okay. I mixed. - Yeah, I really don't mean to be mean. It's totally fine to get it mixed up. I didn't mean to be so harsh. It was just the fact of like, yeah, the witch is part of a cinematic universe. I'm like, what? And you're like, yeah, Annabelle. - He said Annabelle. - I didn't know what you were talking about. I was like, I didn't know what Ben was talking about.

No point to blame a gap like me you already tried Your DBS so you're actually will let you finish the next three moves in the last one, but it's like you okay You're man. You you deep dive in like directors and stuff. I love film. Okay, go film. I'm

Every time we get like, I'm like, ah! I love, because that's something I want to do. We did the Stalker film, right? I co-wrote that. That's something I want to do more of, telling stories in that scale, in the theater of the film.

So that's where I come from. Oh, okay. Interesting. I did rocket jump corridor digital. I came from like, Oh, okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. That working with those dudes and learning the craft through that. And then storytelling. That's my favorite fucking thing. You get your camera. Hey, here lighting, setting it up. Yeah. Like blah, blah, blah, blah,

This is how we do the stories. This is how we do beats. This is how the character is going to progress. Like that is my. Absolutely. I dig that. I dig that. That's my valley too. That's my alley. I'm loud and kind of entertaining sometimes. That's where I come from. I love you. You're great. I really do want to say. I want to say I am hyping it up a little bit for the camera, of course. But I'm like, Batty. Batty's a very kind guy. Very nice to bite me on. No one give him flack for it. Except for the horror game comics.

give him flag for that one. I get that a lot though. Okay. All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. It's the Grown-Up Nightmare. Okay. So yeah. So for three normal films, I would say my top three are No Country for Old Men. Okay. Very good. One of the, yeah, go. The Truman Show. Interesting. Okay. And I always have these lined up. Oh, Brother, Where Art Thou?

Oh, I fucking... Yep. The Odysseus. The Odysseus. Yep. Told through like the American Dust Bowl. In constant sorrow. All through his name. I am Appalachian. None of us can sing, but we all do. We all try. We all try. The Lord said make a joyful noise, not a good one. But it's so...

Oh, interesting choices. So are yours based off of the story? Like for Old Country with No Man, I love all the different stories that are going on and the different characters you get with it. And they like portraying a psychopath. One of the best characters. Anton Chigurh. Yeah. Dude, he has, it's always crazy. I always forget he's not a white dude.

With just a white accent. Because when he talked, he was very thick. I need you to step up to the car, sir. But when he, have you heard him talk? Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. His voice. What's his name? Something Bourdain, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like South American or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were like, oh, he's a Mexican almost. Like, I just hear that. I'm like, oh, what the fuck? Because it is. It's like, what's the most you've ever lost in the coin flip? What is the most you've ever lost in the coin flip? Jesus. Now we'll see this.

I don't understand the question. What is his name? He was so, he's such a wonderful fucking actor. I want to say, is it Anthony Bourdain? I don't know if his first name is Anthony. It feels wrong. But is it, was it, so is it the stories? Cause I have like top three. I'm huge in a movie, but like huge, huge.

"Hmm, Tarantino, like, just finished. I've read the audiobook." And then like that, it's like the directors and how they sell. - Glorious Bastards would be top five. - Xavier Bartle. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You guys just waited them. - I just... - Anthony Bourdain, right? - Yeah, here's his name. It's Anthony, right? That's an Anthony. - Yeah, he looks like an Anthony. - He looks like an Anthony. That filler's definitely Italian.

But Christopher Nolan. Christopher Nolan on how he does Edgar Wright for his editing style and his comedic beats and his transitions. And then you get... Who does... Fuck, he did Sherlock's movies. The ones with Robert Downey Jr.? Yeah. Why is it drawing a blank? It wasn't. Guy Ritchie.

Oh, Guy Ritchie did those? Okay. Yes, Guy Ritchie. And Guy Ritchie has a very particular style on how he does. It's breaking down transitions or, hey, I need to tell the story on how to open a safe or have this action done. And each one has a different reason behind it. But your choices are...

at really solid. So you like more long, slow burn. So the reason I say that those are like my three favorite is because there's so many elements of a film, right? There's so many parts that come together. Like, like they're like, it's the reason I love film so much is because up until cinema history, like all of our arts or history were a medium, right? Like paintings, a visual, music, an audio, an audible.

uh, experiences and, you know, art, maybe like a garden, like, you know, that's an artwork as it's put together, like an experience you walk through film is everything. It is, it is the, it is storytelling. It is visuals. It is audio. It is, it is an entirely curated experience. So my, the reason I call those my top three films is because I would say those three films perfectly fit

As much as perfect can be. Perfectly set out what they wanted to do. Like there's some stories that I'd be. There's some films I'd be like. The visuals. Believe me. Like for example. 1917. Right. Oh man. Yeah. For one. Anything Roger Deakins shoots is. Gorgeous. Incredible. Probably the best cinematographer working today. No.

possible. He is the best cinematographer working today. I agree. He's just so much great. So, and like a lot of the stuff he shoots, right? So LF mini Alexa mini is how they shot that they were doing each shot. And then, you know, when the breaks are, cause it's continued one take and they purposely did it. And then even laying out the trenches or any of these things, it was blocking for three to six months to get the shot done.

right and then they went out so it was a lot of work that went in of course of course absolutely of it even when it's like when they're tracking on uh the river scene when it's the night the flares are going oh yeah they built that on a miniature i don't know if you've seen that so when that entire like running the flares are going up to show in that night scene and they're like ah we're getting shot at that was all done on a miniature set with a light and

to portray the moon and also flair so they had these little things like yeah on a mini set and they're like okay this is how we get the lighting here and here this is how that's crazy i didn't know that it's crazy when you break it down i was like that's

And that's the shit. - Cinema! - Yeah, yeah, it's a film. It's beautiful, it's gorgeous. That many people, hundreds of people coming together to make that shot happen for what 90% of the audience is gonna see as 30 seconds of film. - Literally, just like, ooh. - But it was orchestra when it was being made. Incredible, anyway, anyway. - Most people, your mind is gonna be blown. 1917 is a one take. Most people didn't even recognize there was no cut in that film.

I feel like that was part of the appeal to the movie. It is. So people would pay attention. It's like, wow, this is all one thing. And a lot of general audience may be like, that felt like it flowed together. I'm sure most of them didn't think. Wow, the camera didn't do the cut thing it does a lot. Yeah. There was no wipe in Star Wars every 30 seconds. Really?

Dialogue. Dialogue. Dialogue? Yes. Absolutely. It's crazy how hard. Shot reverse shot. Yeah, exactly. Constant and stuff. It's like, oh, he's talking. He's talking. And they rotate it. Okay, now let's rotate between these two shoulders in order to indicate who they're talking to. Now let's see this. Anyway, so like 1917, right? One of the best visual pieces I've ever seen. Yeah.

it's a good story, but it's not like, wow, the story of him doing that. The bravado was shown through the visuals. Like, that was impressive. But like, I don't remember that kid's name. I don't remember like, you know, what the legend was. It was a visual masterpiece. I wouldn't call it a story masterpiece. It wasn't complete. It had all the elements, but it had some very well. It did something incredible. And the other stuff was good. That's okay though. Christopher Nolan, for example, right?

right? A lot of, I'm not dissing Nolan at all. Most of Nolan's films are like some of the coolest concepts I've ever heard. Inception, right? Interstellar, incredible movies. And he has these insane character moments, like the scene in Interstellar where he sees his daughter grow up through the years. What a, what a moment, right? Uh,

And like in Inception with his wife who's hanging on the hotel balcony. Moments of genius. Yeah, there's these moments. However, a lot of the characters in those films are vehicles for the plot. Like Christopher Nolan has moments, but I wouldn't call him an incredible character writer. He's not Tarantino. Yes, he is an incredible set person.

And then Tarantino, right? So many of Tarantino's films still have these. He builds characters. He builds dialogue. And then the reason his movies are so fun is because you see these great characters bounce off of each other in these scenes. Now, Tarantino's a great cinematographer, but he's not 1917.

Because that just isn't his gambit. That's not his wheelhouse. A lot of the stuff actually is like homages to old 80s pulp fiction, like the quick zooms and the tight shots and stuff. It's love letters. It goes back even. So it's black exploitation films. Yeah, that's where a lot of his comes from. And he admits it. He's like, hey, James Dean, all these individuals, that's where I incorporate in this. I think I told this

some other time recently was even for Reservoir Dogs. He is one of the few directors, you have Christopher Nolan, they have, Hans Zimmer will build the fucking audio soundtrack for their movies. Yes. Tarantino, the only time he ever did that, the only time,

Never did it before. Hey, boy. Did you know that? I did not know that. No, Django. Django, okay. And he hired the original guy that did music for the old country. Like...

The good, the bad, and ugly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that composer, he hired him for that. He had never, ever composed his own shit until that movie. So his entire music budget for Reservoir Dogs was the one scene. What was the song, Betty? Stuck in the Middle of You. I don't know. When he cuts off the guys. Yeah. That was all the music budget into that one song. I want a song. Yeah, that's great. That's great. You realize you just want that one song. He's like, uh-huh, uh-huh. Yep.

yep that's it on that and now every other time kill bill all these are music you've already heard you know he just buys the rights really never composed until that movie and you're like that's what the fuck how did i not notice that until i exactly until then right yeah right yeah it's like yeah so you got you got elements like that it's incredible uh but

But the reason that I say those three films are like my three favorite films is because when I watch them, I'm like, there was a vision, there was an idea, and every element of this project perfectly is in one direction. I'm going to agree with that on The Truman Show. That was... The Truman Show wanted to be about the concept of someone literally trapped in like this bubble, everyone watching and no one watching out.

And like, even the cinematography feels that way. It's tight. It's cramped. It follows him everywhere. And we observe things as Truman does. And we start to see him unravel. And like, he becomes like this helpless child who we want to see break free. And then at the end of the story, when the boat hits the painting, one of my favorite moments in movies ever. The shot of him seeing the staircase, like the escape from...

the method, the system that he's been a part of. Good afternoon, good evening, and good night. It's so good. It is a perfect callback. In that moment, it's like that was the bow. The entire film perfectly did what it wanted to do. And like, is it scary? Is it the best cinema I've ever seen? Is it the best writing or acting? No, but every part of it was one. It was cohesive in a way few projects are.

Like, honestly, when I watch something like 1917, again, beautiful film. But when I watch it, it almost calls attention to me. Like, I don't remember the character's name. Right. Like one of the most grandiose, beautifully done films ever. And I character name. Yeah. Like what? What was who did that? What? Oh, he ran there to get the message. Okay, that's cool. And you have like Terminator 2. Exactly. Everything in Terminator. Exactly. Like, uh-huh. I know Terminator 2. Okay.

Yes, yeah, yeah, right. The character, everything has a reason. The cinematography. You cannot think of an element of like that film Truman Show without thinking of every other element too. They are all one. You do not think of Truman Show without thinking of Truman, without thinking of the camera, without thinking of the music, plot, characters. They're all tangential to each other. They're all one. I want to see how, wait, okay. Oh, please. Let's see.

How do you like this movie? It's one of my faves. It's one of my top ten. I always go, no, is it like perfect? Fuck no. It's just a good ass movie. And live, die, repeat. Edge of Tomorrow. I need to pee really bad. Go! I'll be right back. I was like, I have to piss. I gotta do the same actually.

All right. Anyway, the reason that I want to stop this, because that's a good question, and I want to elaborate on it. We're still recording, right? Yeah, it's all good. All right, cool. So, I also thought it'd be fun. I need to pee. So, Live, Die, Repeat, I think, is a fantastic film. I think it's criminally underrated. It doesn't get the attention it deserves by far. My one, to me, when I watched it, the one thing that stood out in my mind

is and this was probably studio meddling if i had to guess i wish the film let itself be more weird i wish because it's it is a it's a it's an out there concept right like a groundhog day in alien warfare right yeah and like that's fun and the beginning of the movie it has a lot of those like

not comedic but extravagant elements right like the guys in the mech suits dropping onto the beach and stuff it's cool like yeah I'm here for it and then in the like the second act of the film with him just dying over and over that's great the comedic beats with him dying yeah yeah I'm not

oh no, I'm fine. I can't. Oh no, my legs. I just need a moment. Give me a break. Like that. That's, that's fantastic. Right. And, and like seeing the, the weight in his eyes, he's like, I've done this a thousand times. Like you don't understand. Great film. I feel like in the third act, they kind of said, and now we will make it a Tom Cruise action.

ooh okay no i see that like like like what especially after he loses the power it's kind of like a team of elite agents go into a building to shoot a thing to destroy it to save humanity and it's like the weight of the repercussion that's always why i said i was like homeboy just did this where he had a reset button and all of a sudden it's like okay now your new game plus hard mode

One shot. And he's like, okay, we got to do the most crazy thing I've done to this point to survive. And you're like, but why? Yeah. Fuck. Okay. What am I going to do on this one? Like, this sucks now. And isn't it like, like,

If I recall correctly, at the end, he's not only back at the beginning of the day, but he has his job back and everything. It's all reset? It reset before he even landed on

on the planet yeah he was yeah wakes up yeah right was that soft uh it was because he killed the omega or the alpha which knows that omega what i don't remember what they were called oh he was why he got his power the omega is the god of it and he killed that and that's where and then it went into him and then it reset right right yeah like so like when i did that i was like

That's it. There was a part of me that was like, okay. And I'm fine with happy endings where everyone wins, but I'm like, it gave him his job back too. There's a lot of really cool coincidences happening for this dude. Back to being sold. Yeah, exactly. It's like, and done. Scene. It's all over. But I love the film through the first and second act. And then the third act, I was just like,

They go to the big blue thing and then they shoot it and it blows up and everything goes back to normal. I was like, God, be weird. The end in a weird way. I don't know what, but be strange. Let yourself be strange. Well, it's like leading up to even when it was just them two trying to get when she dies at the helicopter and that lead up of how many times they've been there. Yes. Like that's where you're like deeply involved. You're like, oh man, he has this emotional attachment. That's why I like ReZero. If you've never watched ReZero, the anime, it is amazing.

The implication of that. Hey, this is Groundhog's Day. He wakes up. He's like, oh, I'm in this new crazy world. I met a girl. Oh, my God. And then he gets murdered and the girl gets murdered in front of him. And he feels all that pain and he wakes up.

felt everything, died. And he's like, what the fuck just happened? That was like, uh, uh, and then it goes like, uh, he lives for a couple of days this time. Then he dies. And the same, but he dies horribly. And then it's like, and then fast forward to, he has checkpoints in it when you hit certain one, but everything's locked in. But then it's the weight of watching your loved one die over and over and not being able to fix it. So the anime really goes in depth on that. And you get to see, uh,

him break like he has a mental snap at one point where he's like what do i do everyone dies everyone it's a fun concept to play with oh yeah this almost immortality but while still being constrained to mortal consequences yeah right yeah it's a cool idea and like i love that live diver pete did that but like i said i just wish it i wish it stayed itself through the end like

like at the end i was like okay it did kind of have your typical action hero survive we all did it woo high five yeah yeah everything we saved the day thanks kids i'm tom cruise yeah he faces the camera go see mission impossible six in theaters well it's like um quiet place i think was fucking

Like, it's adding a, hey, how do we do this horror? Hey, let's make it where sound is the thing. So you have, like, this music. And it starts brute. I love how Quiet Place starts. You're like, okay. They just murdered the child. And you're like, oh, this is really good at setting a tone. The creatures are fucking cool as shit. Yeah. I was like, okay, this is a fun movie. Number two, meh.

I didn't watch the second one. It's okay. After I watched the first one, I was like, I'm good. Yeah. Like, it ended in a place where it's like, the story's over for me. Yeah. I don't need it to go on. There's a lot of media like that. Like, I finished something and I'm like, yeah, that was fine. I'm good where it was. We'll close that chapter. Yeah, exactly. Please keep it closed. Yeah. And scene. Right. Yeah. Unless.

But back on like the three movies that are the best to me. So Truman Show, right? Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? You want to convey the story of like the Odyssey with a bunch of poor escaped convicts in 1930s America. You make it as dusty, as southern, as grimy and as drawl as possible. And every second of that movie was like I was in another world. It's like from... That's what I love about it. You are in the way...

Where the director takes you, where the crew takes you as you watch these scenes and you hear the sounds and see the set and stuff, there's never a moment I watch Oh Brother Where Art Thou and I'm like, I'm watching a film. It's like, this is like a portal. It's supernatural how well that movie sits. I need to go back and watch it again. I probably haven't watched it in 15 years. It's like... I remember as a kid, I watched it with my father. I can't even tell you how many times.

oh yeah well i i grew up in tennessee that was the film that was the movie yeah that was the movie yeah christmas story in that you're gonna watch yeah yeah um but like the song like i know i know the whole soundtrack because it was just it was iconic especially around where i lived um

Yeah, like it's just, it does such a, there is no element of that movie that's bad. Like a film like that would not benefit from the cinematography of 1917. Roger Deakins, right? Actually, he may have shot that because it was a Coen Brothers movie.

But if he did, that further proves that he knew what he was doing. He knew it didn't require, like there's these grandiose shots of like, you know, cornfields and like to set the tone. But most of it is exactly what it needs to be. It's personal. It's direct. And it's funny. A lot of the camera work and the, you know, the actions designs are funny. I quote that movie all the time. You fail us from the bank. My daddy told me shoot anyone from the bank. It's a hilarious film. You're a frog.

They done loved up Pete, turned him into a horny toad. Yeah, a horny toad. The siren scene was so well done. I love that scene where they're in the diner or the restaurant and Delmar's like, well, Everett, what are we going to do about Pete? They done took him. And he's like, well,

See Delmar. I love that. Pete was about to fornicate those strange women and we can't have that in our company. And Everett loudly yells, well, we was fixing to fornicate too. Man, man, man. God.

all day long when they figure out that like there's no treasure in there in that fight and Pete's like another 50 years when I get out I'll be 84 and Delmar goes

well shoot i'll only be 82 it's great it's like it is truly yeah every part of it's the same as the truman show you cannot think of one element of that movie without thinking of another right it's it's just it's cinema it's a story told directly and absolute uh but my favorite movie of all time

is no country for old men. That is my film. That's honestly, if I had to give one piece of media, the reason for my desire to tell stories, it would be that one. That was my inspiration, like that film in itself. Because when I was younger, like I remember I was maybe 11 or 12, right?

My dad and I watched it for the first time because we're like, oh, yeah. Cool guy. Like we saw shots like he's got a shotgun and a suppressor and he's going in the rooms. And as a kid, I thought it was boring, right? Because I was 11. And I'm like, oh, that was a really cool scene with him with the gun. And that other scene with the gun. And there's a whole lot of talking. So much talking. And I thought that I was like...

you know, I, for me, it was an adult movie. Like there's a lot of talking. I wasn't really interested. Uh, I want more action. Right. But I remember being a kid and there's that last scene with, uh, with Tommy Lee Jones playing Sheriff Bell. Yep. Where he's talking to his wife about the dream he had. He mentions the dream of his father in the snow. And I remember being 11 years old and I saw that scene and I thought,

There is something going on here that I don't get yet. I'm not supposed to get it yet. But I told myself, I'm like, one day I'm coming back to this. I'm putting a pin in this. One day I'll remember it. Yeah.

And then I grew up and I like I remember the movie and I heard people be like, oh, it's such a great film. We had a my junior English teacher, Mr. Lockhart. Thank you very much for being a great English teacher. One of the books we read in class was The Road. Oh, God, I'm sorry. The movies, though, dark, dark. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I always tell people like you want a great movie to watch and then.

yourself watch the road no happy ending period the book well all right all right yes yes yes it is a very depressing one yeah the road is one of my favorite novels of all time as a matter of fact beautiful this is a slight tangent my next youtube video uh is about another one of his books another one of cormac mcfarth's books blood meridian i haven't read that one oh my god it

We'll come back. Anyway. We have to get food after this. We're just going to sit down and be a nerd out. Yes. Okay. So after we read The Road in class. Yeah. My junior English class. Jesus. And I remember when our teacher went into it, he's like, there's a lot of heavy themes in here. It's a lot. But I think there's a lot. A couple. One or two. A lot. But he's like, I think it's a story that matters. And I remember...

You know how there's these moments in your mind, moments in your past where you're just like, you see every element. You remember what the room smelled like. Yeah, absolutely. I remember him standing at the front of the class in room G15 on the first floor of my high school on a Tuesday. I remember him standing there in front of us and he was holding the book open.

And he had a son. His son was a year younger than me. We all knew him. It was a small high school. We all hung out with each other. His son's name was Nick. And he's reading from the beginning chapter, talking to us about like why the themes of the book are important. And he said, I haven't taught this book

Yeah. Since I had Nick, he had been an English teacher for years and years. He's like, so he hasn't taught it since he had a son. And the primary crux of that story is a father and a son. Yeah. That's what the story is about. And he was he was reading the opening in the first chapter. And he got to the part where it said.

Despite the sin, the cursedness of the world, the father looks to his son as if his son were not the voice of God and God never spoke. And as he read that, he started crying.

And man, like I remember watching that and being like, this story means something to that guy. Yeah. Like what? Like the first night, you know, we get the book. It's like a book I'm not going to read for homework because, of course, you're high school. I don't care. But when I saw him cry up there, I'm like, I'm going to read this. Right. I went home that night and read the entire book. We're supposed to read like a chapter. And I read the whole thing through in one night.

I cried. It destroyed me. The ending of that book where the boy walks up to the men and says, are you carrying the fire? Yep. It's like the most, because all the boys known to that point was the fire. It's like, why are you carrying it? And he looked, the man looks back at his family behind him and says, yeah, I think we're carrying the fire. Storytelling! Anyway.

So yeah, so like so I love Cormac McCarthy such a great author I love the book of his I'm reading right now. But anyway, so well, I read the road and after we read it So the film no country for old men was written by Cormac McCarthy. It's originally a book He did it was adapted to film by the Coen brothers. Yeah, so it is my favorite author and my favorite directors You know, it's just match made in heaven and

After we got done with the book, our English teacher showed us a scene from No Country for Old Men. I hadn't seen it since I was like 11 or 12. And he shows us the coin flip scene. He's talking about how you can pull tension in a story. He's talking about how you don't need flashes and stuff. Just a conversation can be enough. So he shows us that scene. And when he shows us that scene, I was like, I remember this film. I watched it with my dad when I was younger. And I sat there and I watched that coin flip scene and was like,

and this is a completely different film. This is a different film. Yeah, absolutely. Because that was a conversation when I was a kid. But I watch it now and I'm like, man, the tension of that. I'm like, I need to remember that. And I didn't watch it then. I didn't watch it for a while until I was in college. I was in college. I was in my second year. And I was thinking, I started to have the realization about myself of like, I don't like where I'm at. I kind of talked about this at the beginning of the podcast. I was like,

I, you know, it's like, yeah, you know, you got to work to live, right? So I'm down for that. But I want to enjoy something too. Like, obviously, you know, I love my family, my stuff, but I want to make something. I need to make something. And I was like, but what do I, what do I want to do? What is my passion? And then I remember I was sitting at my house in my room and I was flipping through Netflix and there was no country full. I'm like, I've been meaning to watch that. So I turn on that film. It was like,

watching for the first time. Like I had never seen a second of it. Every conversation, every scene, it bled into me. Like the coin flip scene and the scene where the sheriff goes to his brother, can't stop what's coming, ain't all waiting on you. That's vanity. And I was like, what a monument. And then come back to that scene of Sheriff Bell explaining to his wife the dream he had of his father. Yep.

I had not thought about the road probably since junior year of high school, right? Three years. I had thought about that forever, but in the back of my head, I remembered, are you carrying the fire? I just thought about that all the time. Watching that scene, I'm sitting on that couch and Sheriff Bell says, I saw my father. He was out in the fog. He was in the dark, the thick, the snow, the world. I couldn't see him. In his hand, he was carrying a fire.

the moment man i'm about to tear up the moment i heard that yeah it was like it was like a revelation it's like that's what this film's about it's not it's not a movie about things are awful then you die yeah it's a movie about things are awful and some people keep going yep like as as horrific as the world is there were

Even in the movie, no country for old men. There were no good men. There were no people who were able to stand up against the world. There were good guys, but none of them won. They died, right? They suffered. They lost. It was about heartbreak. It was about turmoil.

but there doesn't need to be because of the stories he had. The film opens with Sheriff Bell narrating and saying, my daddy was sheriff of this county for years. Didn't even carry a gun. Didn't need to. The world was so much better back then. Everything was great. I wish I could be like back then. That's not where the stories come from. They don't come from some perfect world, some country for old men, right? Somewhere where everything's peaceful and sets quietly. It comes from men who were able to stand up

and do something when the world was harsh, when it was terrible. And it ends with him telling his wife, I saw my dad and he was carrying the fire. That movie ended. For the first time, that scene meant something to me. And I remember sitting there in my room and thinking,

I need to do that. I have to tell stories. Whatever capacity, YouTube, movies, writing, I don't care. I have to tell something. I have to. And I decided to start a YouTube channel. Fucking dope as shit, my man. And I'm here. Hell yeah!

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like the wind go and goon. And then you put the words together. Thank you all so much. Perfect. And we will see you all shortly over on patron for the after show. We have a quick segment after the, after the end this. So we'll see you all there. Thank you for watching again. Thank you all for watching.