New Chrisley Show Coming Soon & Surviving 'Special Forces'
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Savannah, what's going on? Okay, your parents is an unavoidable topic because you're living it out every single day, day to day. For sure. Is there anything going on in your life that's making you happy? Oh, that's making me happy. Yeah, I definitely would say to like, and obviously in order to have respect for...

my situation and the person involved in my life. Like it's kind of hard because it's obviously relationship wise, like brings a lot of joy, a lot of happiness, gives me adult interaction, human to human, really great conversations that like lead to growth and laughter and all these different things. But also it's like, all right,

I learned from my first podcast. Or your most recent. Yeah, not first, but like my first one with Nick, my most recent podcast with Nick Vile, Keep Your Mouth Shut, Savannah. So I'm learning to have, I should have had more respect for that situation than I did in that moment. So I'm like trying to figure out what's the best way, especially when kids are involved. Keep your mouth shut. That's like. Yeah. Yes. I've been waiting on this moment.

Karen is so excited. But that's also another thing is when kids are involved, you gotta... Well, you understand that. I understand that, but it's also a little different just because the kids involved are my brother and sister versus like actual children, my children. You know what I mean? So it's like, if I'm going out here and dating someone that has kids...

It's different because like that's the father, you know, and like their mother is still involved. It's definitely a different dynamic. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. So you're kind of saying like your family is,

Your family has already kind of been exposed to the media and y'all have, it's your choice for your family to be exposed, but you don't wanna cross somebody else's boundaries whose maybe kids have had a little bit more protection. - Yes, exactly. I think just getting back out there really for me and not being afraid and not allowing guilt to like truly eat me alive for spending time with someone other than the kids.

'Cause I think I've finally gotten to that point of like, hey, like I deserve to have a break. Like, and I can't be good for these kids. I can't pour into them if I'm not being poured into. And I think that's the same with any relationship in your life, with friends, with anyone. Like I can't, I'm not a never ending cup. You know, like I don't just have an endless supply of emotion and love and all these things to give.

Like if I'm not being poured into as well to replace what I'm giving. I think you've also set this, uh,

It's a really slippery slope when you set a standard that you can do everything. Yeah. And then you try to like give hints to people, family, friends. Hey, I can't take this anymore. Can you give me a break? And people are like, no, you got it. Yeah. Like I've seen you do it before. You're fine. You're like, I'm trying to tell you that I need a little bit of a break. So you set this precedent that you can do it all. And it kind of can bite you in the ass sometimes. 100%. It definitely can because...

But you and I kind of talked about this before. It's like, all right, you allow people in your life and they start doing for you. And then...

they peace out and you're like, what the hell? Like I got so used to you being there and helping and now you're just gone. So you've completely screwed up my whole mojo of like, even though it was hard doing it all on my own, I managed to find a way to do it on my own. It's going back to having to do it

Doing it all alone, then you get a taste of what it's like to have help. And then that help going away, you're like, I don't know if I can go back to doing what I was doing before because I don't know how I did it in the first place. Yes, exactly. So I think that's also the hard part. And even now, it's like I do find it hard to be all in with someone because I'm so afraid now.

of allowing someone in to hurt me, you know? And that's the hard part is, all right, kind of like one foot in, one foot out. In your heart, knowing you don't want to be one foot out, but your brain saying, be one foot in, one foot out. What effect does you think that, what role do the kids play in you being one foot in and one foot out? Are you afraid they're going to get attached to people? Yes, for sure. Luckily, I will say like the person in my life is

with the kids, but like Grayson specifically, 'cause Grayson needs a strong, faith-filled, positive male role model in his life. And he needs someone who's been through it and who can help guide him and call him out when maybe what he did wasn't the right thing to do. Like he needs someone other than me to,

to talk to and be there. And he just needs a male role model in his life. And so for that, I am so, so grateful. But then it's also, I have to think of the kids and think, whoa, I can't allow them to get too close to someone and then someone just up and leave again. And also too, for me, I'm like, whoa, I don't like it worry.

It worries me because you know how well, like if I love someone, I love someone, I'm all in. Like I will love you to the best of my abilities. And yeah,

Right now I'm in a phase of like thinking about life so far down the road. Like I'm not thinking about tomorrow. I think if like, oh my God, what if in a year, like I get so close to this person's kids and like, you know, loving their kids. And cause I have, when it comes to children, like I have the ability to like love kids like no other. I literally almost took someone else's kid in. Like that's how much,

I'm just here to love kids and love kids well, because I feel like our, like what we leave behind, I want to leave behind kids who love well, fight well, like have such a grace filled spirit and are just positive, like positive contributing members to society. And if I can help kids that maybe don't, I don't know. I just like, I want to take every kid in. Like,

every kid that I see, I'm like, maybe I'd be a good foster parent or maybe as if I didn't have enough on my hands. But I think a big fear of mine is like getting too close to someone else's kids and then all everything going up in smoke. And like, there's all these what ifs that I fill my mind with and I'm like, oh my God, like how do you navigate all this? - Yeah, just one thing at a time. - See, I don't do well with that. - Well, but don't you like,

If you had known how hard this was really gonna be all at the beginning, wouldn't you have just been like, "Lord, take me now." Like you almost have to find out in chunks of how hard it is because if you had known on like before everything even happened with your parents that this was coming down the pipeline, you would have been like, "Uh." - I didn't really realize too how hard it would be, you know?

There was nothing to prepare me for at all. And I think back, it was also too, before mom and dad left, we were all in this. It literally feels just like a-

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Another world that we were in, like no one prepared for it. We waited until after mom and dad left to move all the kids stuff over to my house. Like we were just kind of acting as if nothing was happening, which looking back, part of me feels like it was the best thing just because it saved my parents one more level of trauma. You mean not totally? Yeah.

Y'all did prepare in a lot of ways, but not every way. No, no. And like not taking the kids stuff, like all the kids stuff was as it was, you know, like we didn't try to move it. We didn't try to none of that. And in my mind, that was OK, because like we it saved mom and dad from another level of grief, you know, from having to endure it twice, you know, watching the kids stuff leave the house and then.

them leave again. So it's a weird, I don't know if there was any right way to deal with it, but I do know it was really hard on me, maybe not prepping more for it because like when mom and dad left, all right, like I got to get the kids stuff over to my house. I have to get it organized. I have to do all of these things. And luckily at that time,

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whole thing was a learning curve and I don't think I dealt with it at the very beginning and right now I'm in a place of struggle it's all maybe just setting in and I'm like holy cow like I really miss mom and dad and like going to visit and leaving them there is the hardest part and I

I'm trying to figure out how to like, I still kind of feel like I'm in a dream, like in a bad, bad dream sometimes. But also, too, I think with all the first holidays coming up is really challenging figuring out, OK, how are we actually going to spend these holidays? Do I try to do everything my mother did or do I just say, screw it all and let's create something new?

- Do I get a vote? - Yeah. - I don't think it's healthy to try to replicate what Julie Chrisley did. - It's impossible. - I think it's damn near impossible and I don't think it's a good idea. But you also do a lot of things that your mom did very well, very well. You are, even though you eat like trash most of the time, you are actually a really good cook. You just choose to eat Pop-Tarts.

which speaking of potential sponsors, we should look into that. I seriously, but you're a really good cook. You love to decorate. Like you always, your house always looks pristine. You love to give gifts. Like there's a lot of things that you and your mom have in common. Yeah. But I don't, I think that's a lot of pressure to put on yourself to try to maintain every tradition that you guys already had in place. Don't you? I, it,

- It definitely is. And I think now Christmas has always been like my jam, you know. I decorate for Christmas. - Spitch loves Christmas. - It's my, like I want it to look like elves like threw up everywhere. - It looks like Whoville in a real life. - That's the biggest compliment ever. I like Christmas, I will continue to do that. Thanksgiving, things hard because like mom just always cooked. Like that was her thing.

But it's weird because Christmas is her holiday, like loves decorating. And I think I love decorating because of her. So like going to decorate for Christmas will make me feel so good because it'll feel like mom is there and that I'm doing all the things that she really loves.

And I think that's easier because like I'm good at instructing someone on how to decorate. That's true. You know, or instructing someone period. Yeah. Like I'm good at telling them like this is how it needs to look with the cooking aspect of it. I'm not a cook like my mom is. Let's just get that. Nobody is like I'm a great baker and I can make some good dishes, but like not like Julie Chrisley can. So I look at it and I'm like, no one can do it like mom can do it.

And also it was like, I know friends that like couldn't go home for Thanksgiving and mom's like, oh, just come over to our house. That's what I was just about to say is that that's one thing that you could absolutely carry over and it would still make it feel like that big family holiday. Like there's almost every, like even if Sean and I couldn't go home like early enough to like,

I mean, most of the time we made holidays, but like sometimes we couldn't go until Christmas Eve or something. Like y'all were always inviting us over. So I think that will definitely continue to like extend your holiday further. For sure. And invite your friends. Yeah, without a doubt. So that's the one thing that we will...

it's all just so tough. But also I look at life and I'm like, okay, there's been some really great things to happen. Like I've met some really awesome people. I'm able to be a voice for people who don't feel like they have one because no one's listening to them. And for that, I'm like, okay, that makes all of this worth it. That makes everything that's happening worth it. But then

And it's like, all right, I want my parents back home. So I'm doing whatever I can do to get them home.

you look at it and you're like, all right, there's been some positive things that have come from it. There's been some great opportunities that have come from it. So I try to find the positivity in it. But it is, I mean, it's kind of difficult. Also, people have got this whole John Crist and Savannah narrative that they are loving of like, Savannah and John should date. Savannah and John should date, guys.

John has like an awesome girlfriend. Yeah. Also, are these the same people that are saying, getting mad at you for dating someone who's trying to get, go through a divorce? They're also telling you to date John who has a girlfriend. I know. I know. It's insane. John has like the sweetest girlfriend. Also too, like we would be a terrible couple. What?

terrible you would get roasted 100 of the time and i would be here for it but i'm also in support of john's current relationship exactly like love it so that's one thing we're just gonna debunk okay savannah and john christ there is no savannah and john christ okay

Plus he's too young and he doesn't have kids. Yeah, right? He's too young and doesn't have kids. Why would I want to date him? It would just be too easy. It would just be too easy. Also too, there's also another narrative that's out there swirling saying that I told Chase not to date someone that had kids. And then I turned around and dated someone that had kids.

Wait, you told him what? Yeah. There's like a whole narrative going that's apparently I told Chase not to date someone with kids. No, you called, you made fun of Chase because he wanted a sugar mama. Yes, exactly. I made fun of him for wanting a sugar mama, his exact words. And so I have never said don't date someone that doesn't have kids. Like Chase told me. Talk about how hypocritical that would be. Exactly. How hypocritical would that one be? Um,

Chase told me, why would I want to date someone that has kids as if I don't have enough going on already? I think I look at, it's crazy because a lot of people will say like, oh, that person's got baggage. They have kids, this, that, and the other. I don't look at kids as baggage. Like I look at kids as the greatest blessing and gift. So I don't view kids as baggage, like at all. I view kids as like something so wonderful that

And that's just where people's opinions and beliefs are different. You know, some people are like, oh, baggage. I'm like, what freaking fun gifts. So that's another one.

Rachel just asked a question from the other room. Why would Savannah and Chase sign Savannah up for The Bachelor if she's dating? Which I do feel like has a place in this show. I really... Okay, no, what I really think happened is you signed Chase up for The Bachelor and he said, I'm not doing this unless you do. Yes. We weren't really... You weren't being that serious about being like, if I get on The Bachelor, I'm going to say F you to the guy I'm dating. Yeah, no, not at all. But I'm glad you asked this, Rachel, because she will get...

Yes. She will be in trouble. I have already seen some back and forth stuff about that. So to clear the narrative, it really was a joke. Like first I was for sure, like not even a joke about Chase. Honestly, I was like, dude, you should definitely do it. I mean, what do you have to lose? And then Chase was like, no, if I'm going to do it, you're going to do it. And so he signed me up for it. But also the application guys,

Was not a true application. Let's be real. Like it was. Why do you want to do this show? Well...

All my relationships are a shit show. Let's turn it around. Like that is not a real application submission, guys. Like let's be real. You were really trying with Chase, but I think that the reverse was more so like, I'm not going to suffer without you suffering too. Exactly. So it really was a joke in the grand scheme of things. And luckily what I love and I,

is being able, like whether this person works out or doesn't that I'm dating, it's such a fun banter back and forth to where we can joke around about things and not get our feelings hurt. Like not get butt hurt over it. If the fact that, okay,

He's currently the South's most eligible bachelor and all of these girls and the DMs and it's funny. I'm like, okay, this is fricking hilarious. And so that's why he's able to take the bachelor bachelorette thing as a complete joke. And it's nothing's ever too serious, which I love because I can take my humor

to the line sometimes. And so I have to be able to find someone. Well, I have to be able to dial it back, but I also have to find someone that can like take my humor with a grain of salt. Yeah. Hopefully he can call you out too. Oh yeah. Trust me. I've had some of that. It's pretty attractive.

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Let's cut that sniffle out.

I just did that. Sean has to do that often. I know. I don't know what's wrong with me. Leave this part in to hold you accountable. Sean thinks you, we've talked about this before. We're like, does she lean closer and sniff into the mic? Like, is she doing it on purpose? Okay, guys. I know people have commented on that and I am sorry. I don't know if it's like a nervous. Sniff. Sniff or what? Since we're on this topic, what other things does Savannah do that annoy all of us? This, now this question is open to the entire staff. Oh, yes. All right, Erin. Hmm.

I mean, I do have to, we have to watch levels in our ears that we don't go deaf because sometimes I'm like, turn my volume down because you get all over the place. That's not really your fault. You just get a little enthusiastic sometimes. Okay. I'm sorry about that. I call you out before because a lot of times you go, hey y'all, I'm so excited. Hey y'all, I'm so excited. And then one time to the governor in New Jersey, he said something like,

I don't know what he said, but you responded with, that's amazing. And I was like, I don't know if that's the appropriate time to use the word amazing. Cause it was like something serious, something very serious. You don't really do anything to annoy me. Oh, that's. Oh, I'm just talking about on the podcast. I'm not talking about in general. Oh, in general, what in general annoys you about me? This is a good one. Oh God. Um, I mean, not a lot of things. Um, you,

You can be too hard on people sometimes, but I tell you, that didn't really annoy me. I just am like big sister, like lock it up. Yeah, you're right. Because you're really hard on yourself, and I think you transfer that level of toughness to other people who can't handle it. And I'm like, tone it down. Oh, that is true. Sometimes you're just tough on people. But...

- But you love very hard. I'm not saying you don't. - No, I know, but okay, yes, tough on people. But like, don't you think sometimes the toughness is warranted? - I do often think it's warranted. I just think your delivery needs work. - See, I've been told that for a long time now. - Your delivery could be, it could be a lot more gentle and just equally as productive. - You're right. - Because you'll be like, you're a dumb ass. What the hell were you thinking? And I'm like, we could have just said,

I would have approached that differently. - You know, yeah, delivery- - You don't really annoy, you don't annoy me. - No, we really don't get annoyed that much with each other. - I mean, we fight. - We fight for sure. - What do we, we've talked about this before. What like gets us in fights? - What gets us- - You come at me really hard about things you don't know about. - Yeah.

What's that supposed to mean? I just agreed with you. No, I know. That was awesome. No, when you'll come at me... What was it about production one day? You were like telling me how to do something with production. Oh, yeah. And you were like... I was like, you can barely use your phone. So I really don't need...

your advice on how this particular technology works as it relates to putting your show out each week. - You're right, you're right. I know how it should look, but other than that, I don't know how to implement any of it. - I'm so scared to reverse this question. Please don't be too mean to me, but what annoys you about me? - Annoys me? - I don't know why I'm doing this to myself. I could have gotten out around this. - You really could have. What annoys me about you? - Don't be too mean, please. I'm not that emotionally stable today.

I think what annoys me about you is probably the same thing that silently annoys you about me is sometimes you'll like wait till the last minute and you'll be like, Savannah, I need this today.

And I'm like, oh, that's cool. I didn't have anything else going on today. Let me just go get it. That's happened a couple of times. That's a trickle down effect though. Sometimes people don't tell me that they need it. And I have to tell you that has happened. That's very true. That has happened. That's normally what happens though. And too, let's be real. I'm not great at like reading my email sometimes. I was going to...

So maybe sometimes I do, but you miss it. Yeah. But I will give you credit for that. There have been times where I didn't know we needed something until the very last minute. And then I'm like, I don't care that you're propelling off a mountain on special forces. I'm going to need you to record a voiceover, which I understand why that would be relatively difficult. For sure. Without a doubt. Speaking of which, do you have any more? I'll give you your time. Oh, no, that's really nothing really annoys me about you. It's weird. I kind of feel the same. Yeah. Yeah.

Give it time. I'm going to start like paying attention. Do you want to, before we wrap, do you want to talk about special forces? Who you met? What can you say about it? I mean, I can really say anything now because it will have aired by the time this comes out. Also too, I've done a lot of press for it. Robert Ori, NBA guy, like fab four Lakers, fricking greatest human being in the world. Like I just got to do press with him. He was my partner for press.

I literally don't have a negative thing to say about him. - What does a partner for press mean that people don't know? - So like they partnered us up like two people and we all did all these interviews together. And so he's who I was partnered up with and he's just fricking amazing. Just hearing other people's life stories and he lost his daughter to cancer at like, I don't wanna say four or five years old maybe. And just to see how he dealt with that

And it's like, you really look and you're like, you know, he lost his daughter to cancer and then he didn't tell anyone, but he lost his dad on the flight to New Zealand. His dad passed away while he was on the way. Yeah.

And I thought it was on his way home, but he like lied to everyone. And that was his way of coping, which I don't even wanna use the word lied because like that sounds so negative, but he just didn't want anyone to know. And he wanted to get through the show. And he found out when he landed in New Zealand that his dad passed away. - Jeez. - And I didn't know the whole time. Like I didn't know until we were doing the press that that was actually what happened.

And I look at it and I'm like, holy cow. And I thought my life was bad. You know, like you look when someone loses someone so close to you, like he lost his daughter, right?

And at such a young age and now he has lost his dad and I look at it and I'm like, you know what? Like at least I still get to speak to mine. At least. That's a slippery slope though. Because when you start trauma comparing, it can really make you get down on yourself for like being sad, having any sort of like, we don't even call it self-pity, but like. Well, it's not even,

- It's perspective for you and not guilt? - Yes, yes, it's all perspective for me. Like there's no level of guilt because I feel that how I have felt, I'm entitled to feel and deal with my emotions however I deal with them. I think it just makes me a little more grateful

for the situation at the fact that like I still have my parents to talk to. I still have them to go and visit and hug. Like I guarantee you he wishes he had that with his daughter or his dad now. So it definitely puts a lot of things into perspective. But also too, just like JoJo Siwa, for instance, which she has said she will come on the podcast. Yeah, I was gonna follow up about that. So excited for that. Whether she comes to Nashville, we go there. I'm just super excited because she's,

There is so much depth to her that people don't realize. People just think she's like this teeny bopper dancer, you know, bow wearing girl. And in reality, like there is so much more to her and getting to know her. And like, she and I talk like once a week. Now we try to stay in touch and she's just a great fricking human being. Like I am forever grateful for doing the show. Cause it's introduced me to all these people and,

So there's Herd. There is...

Wasn't there a dude from The Bachelor too? Yes. Oh, Tyler Cameron. Was he on there? Yeah, he was on there. He's so sweet. He's just like a little teddy bear. Tyler Cameron's great. And you'll see, I hope they play on the show where Tyler and I go outside. First off, it's freezing. Tyler and I go outside to like take our showers because you had to have a partner to go with you anywhere you went. This needs a lot more explanation. I know. And that's where I

I got myself in trouble because on Nick's podcast, they edited the promo in a way to where it made it look like it was something else when in reality it was just hilarious because Tyler and I were partners to like go shower, go to the bathroom. Okay. What do you mean? Like, because it was outside. And so the rule was, was like, you had to have a partner because it's like, you like, you're not watching each other. Well,

Tyler was so respectful and like turned his back while I was showering. And me on the other hand, I'm like, what can I catch a glimpse of? It was really funny. They show that on the show. But no, it's such a fun experience. Tyler was so sweet. Like one of the sweetest, most respectful human beings ever. Tom Sandoval, it's all obviously been in the press. Who's that?

Vanderpump rules. Oh, yeah. This isn't my world. Scandival is like what he, you know, the whole thing, which I should. That's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation too. It's like he just got called out for hoeing around and I was a little harsh on him and I'm going to apologize for being so harsh on Tom. Everyone does shit.

like that in their personal lives and you know everyone makes mistakes that aren't and

Fortunately for them, it's not always publicized. Tom's got publicized. It became a whole thing. And I could have been a little bit more grace filled with him on that and, you know, maybe not been so tough on him. So for that, I apologize, Tom. Um, so the show itself was just fricking awesome. It was such a great experience. I can't wait for people to see everything that happens because it's a show. Let me tell you. Um,

you know obviously we have our family show which is going to be great when does it start well we're not sure where it's going to land yet we've had a bunch of meetings with a bunch of different

and a lot of people are interested. So for that, we're grateful. And for this whole narrative that no production company will sign on, no network will pick it up. That is a lie. - Yeah, that's not true. - That is people that are just wanting the show to fail. It is a lie. - "Chrisley Knows Best" was one of the only shows that ran simultaneously on three networks for an extended period of time. Like three different networks bought it, even though other networks were playing it.

Exactly. That's one of the only shows ever that's done that. It is. It's one of the only shows that has ever done it on USA E and Bravo. Christina's best run for 10 seasons went on all three networks. And even after we got canceled, it was still the highest rate. One of the it was in the top 10 highest rated shows on cable television.

after USA had stopped doing advertising and promos and all these things, it was still one of the top 10 rated on cable television. - You're yelling. - So, oh sorry, I'm just really passionate because that was 10 years of my life. And for people to try to tear it down and say all these negative things, I'm sorry, I'm just not gonna stand by it. - Do you think like, what are you, okay. So I know you don't know until the show gets sold off 'cause that's how it works. Like a production company,

grabs the show, creates a pilot and they pitch that pilot. Most people don't know how this works to different networks to see if you want to buy the show that they are, have already produced or are continuing to produce whatever. And so then the network will be responsible for helping figure out when it airs. Yes. So do you think like six months? Honestly, right now, Hollywood is in such a disaster because of the writer's strike. So no scripted shows are filming. Um,

Studios are shutting down. It's really bad and they're saying this could go on until at least January. And it's so sad because so many people are out of jobs.

But while on one end there's that on another end, reality television booms in a time like this script writing. Yeah. Because you don't have writers. So reality television booms. So for that, you know, we could potentially sign with a network this month and be on TV within six months. Like it's crazy how it works.

So, and the show will be fun because it'll touch on dating lives. It'll touch on mom and dad, nanny, the kids, real estate, all these different business opportunities that are coming my way. Nanny will be on it. Nanny will be on it. And God help me because she just, she's like a teenager.

She says what she wants to say. You especially can't criticize her for that. No, no, she says what she wants to say and some of it makes zero sense and some of it's just not even logical. But hey, let Nanny Faye do what Nanny Faye does best because it can be hilarious. Well...

- I think that's a good place to wrap. So people will have already seen "Special Forces." - Yes. - Hopefully we've got a show coming down the pipeline. You got a relationship update from Savannah's mouth and- - And too, I don't want people to think I'm being hush hush about it now. 'Cause I look at this whole situation and I'm like, this chick is batshit crazy. Like one minute she's spewing, the next she's pulling back.

I think it's just because I put things out there sooner than it should have been put out there. And so no one runs with a narrative that it's all falling apart. Not true at all.

I'm trying to figure out a balance of like respect, but also my life is in the public eye. Like that is, if I'm going to have a reality show, I can't say, hey, here's all of this, but stay away from my personal life. Not how it works. So I'm trying to find the proper balance. So before y'all think I'm that shit crazy, I'm just trying to find proper balance. And then I think too, one of the next episodes, we're not sure how it's going to air, but

Aaron and Tyler are going to be on and we're really going to hit it full force, which I'm really excited about. Tyler is a gift. If anyone has not gotten to experience Tyler on social media, you are in for a treat because he is hilarious. Hilarious, but also has give some of the best advice, like some of the best advice. And Tyler is one of my friends that like has gone and seen mom a

like every other weekend, it seems like. So for that, I'm like, you've shown up, I love you. And Erin and Tyler and me together, it's gonna be fun. - I know, I'm scared. - It's gonna be fun. - Two sisters, one a respected TV producer, Jill Blackstone, and the other, Wendy. She was disabled, nearly blind and deaf, and Jill had devoted herself to taking care of Wendy. - Jill was her best friend, her sister, her everything.

But the sister bond was shattered when Wendy and some of the sisters' rescue dogs were found dead in a garage next to a top-lover barbecue grill. Jill says accidental carbon monoxide poisoning killed everyone. Police do not believe her.

Police arrested Jill Blackstone for the murder of her sister. Investigators think it was staged to look like an accident. Who will you believe, especially now that a secret source has come forward with evidence never made public before? Jill was a good producer. There's no doubt about that. But would she produce murder is the question. Season two of Bad, Bad Thing, The Blackstone Sisters, available now wherever you get your podcasts. I always say, show me a perfect family. I'll show you a family with secrets.