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REWIND: Christian Revolution

2024/10/15
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John Dixon: 基督教塑造了西方自由民主社会中被视为理所当然的价值观,即使是非基督徒也深受其影响。这体现在托姆·霍兰德的著作《统治:西方思想的形成》中,该书论述了基督教对西方世界的深远文化影响,并得出结论:基督教塑造了我们自由民主社会中习以为常的价值观,即使是那些自称非基督徒的人,他们的价值观也深受基督教的影响。 Tom Holland: 早期基督教的吸引力在于其为罗马帝国提供了一种世界观的解释,赋予每个人前所未有的尊严,并为富人和穷人都提供了相应的益处。基督教的独特之处在于其强调受苦者的尊严,以及由此产生的对穷人的普遍关爱责任,这导致了医院和孤儿院等新型社会机构的出现。基督教的核心在于耶稣的受难,十字架的象征意义改变了一切,它赋予了受苦者一种特殊的地位。基督教的普世主义信息与其实际应用之间存在悖论,其在历史上与犹太教的关系以及权力与暴力之间的张力是其核心问题。西方道德价值观根植于基督教,即使在后基督教时代,这些价值观仍然存在,但其基础可能受到挑战。纳粹主义是对基督教价值观的彻底否定,它代表了一种真正后基督教世界的可能性。

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Why does Tom Holland argue that Christianity is foundational to Western values?

Tom Holland believes Christianity shaped the values of liberal democracies, defining what is considered good for most Westerners today, even for those who are not Christians.

How did Christianity differ from other belief systems in the Roman Empire?

Christianity offered a universal appeal by making the Jewish God accessible to non-Jews, emphasizing dignity for all humans, including slaves and the poor, which was unprecedented in Roman society.

What role did the crucifixion of Jesus play in shaping Christian values?

The crucifixion symbolized the idea that the suffering and oppressed are privileged over the powerful, influencing Western moral assumptions and the belief that the first shall be last and the last shall be first.

How did Christianity influence the development of welfare systems in the Roman Empire?

Christianity introduced the idea of universal responsibility for the poor, leading to the rise of bishops who dispensed patronage, funding widows, orphans, and prisoners, effectively creating a proto-welfare state.

Why does Tom Holland consider the cross a paradoxical symbol in Christian history?

The cross, representing suffering and humility, was paradoxically adopted as a symbol of power and conquest by figures like Emperor Constantine and the Crusaders, challenging the Christian message of universalism.

How did the Holocaust influence post-war Western moral values?

The Holocaust, being the antithesis of Christian values, served as a moral lesson, reinforcing ideals like caring for the unfortunate, opposing racism, and prioritizing the weak, even in a post-Christian context.

What challenges does a post-Christian society face in maintaining Christian values?

Without a theological foundation, post-Christian societies struggle to explain why Christian values like charity and dignity for all should be upheld, as these values are inherently tied to the Christian narrative.

How does Tom Holland view the current cultural shift in the West?

Holland compares the current cultural and moral changes to the Reformation, suggesting the 1960s as a transformative period analogous to the 1520s, with the legacy of the Nazis playing a significant role in shaping modern values.

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This chapter begins by discussing Bill Maher's and Pamela Paul's critical views on Christianity, particularly concerning its role in violent conflicts. It then introduces episode 45, "Christian Revolution," with Tom Holland, and the concept of Undeceptions Rewinds, which focuses on revisiting past episodes.
  • Bill Maher's criticism of major religions
  • Pamela Paul's view on the Bible's influence on violence
  • Introduction to Undeceptions Rewinds

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We interviewed Tom Holland, historian and co-host of the extraordinarily popular podcast The Rest is History, back in 2021 for episode 45, Christian Revolution.

At the time Tom wouldn’t have called himself a Christian (and we won't speak for him now), but he was adamant that not only is Christianity good, but our very sense of what good *is *comes from Christianity.

Check out our first *Undeceptions Rewind, *where we resurface some of the best bits of our older episodes that might have been mostly forgotten (but hopefully not misunderstood!)