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How BlackRock, the World's Largest Asset Manager, Took Crypto Mainstream - Ep. 735

2024/11/15
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Robbie Mitchnick: BlackRock的比特币ETF成功超出了预期,资金流入量创下历史新高。这主要归功于ETF提供的便捷的比特币投资渠道,以及美国大选后市场情绪的积极转变。机构投资者和高净值个人投资者是主要参与者,但财富顾问渠道的采用速度相对较慢。 BlackRock对比特币的投资策略基于其作为全球性去中心化资产的价值,以及其作为传统资产的风险对冲工具的潜力。尽管比特币本身具有风险,但其风险因素与传统风险资产不同,这使得其成为一个有吸引力的投资选择。 BlackRock进军加密货币市场是多年准备和基础建设的结果,包括与Circle和Coinbase的合作,以及推出比特币私募基金。 BlackRock的三大关注领域是加密资产、稳定币和代币化。稳定币在加密货币交易生态系统中发挥着关键作用,并具有在跨境支付和资本市场结算方面的巨大潜力。代币化是扩展投资者准入和降低成本的关键,并与稳定币密切相关。 以太坊ETF的表现不如比特币ETF,这与以太坊的市场规模、以及投资者对直接持有以太坊以获得质押奖励的偏好有关。BlackRock向客户推销以太坊ETF时,重点关注其在区块链技术创新方面的投资价值。 BlackRock选择在公共区块链(特别是以太坊)上进行代币化,而不是私有区块链,是因为公共区块链提供了更好的访问性、网络效应和互操作性。 BlackRock参与DeFi的策略是谨慎的,并遵循严格的合规流程。DeFi的潜力巨大,但其监管问题仍然是一个挑战。 BlackRock希望新的SEC监管制度能够允许ETF进行实物认购和赎回,并为稳定币提供更清晰的监管框架。在以太坊ETF中提供质押奖励并非易事,即使在监管方面获得支持,也需要克服许多障碍。 目前BlackRock没有计划推出其他加密货币ETF,但未来可能会根据市场情况而改变。BlackRock目前没有计划为其ETF提供储备证明,因为其现有的审计和对账流程已经能够满足客户的需求。 美国政府的政策、经济政策和整体稳定性都会影响比特币的价格,而不仅仅是具体的加密货币政策。2025年比特币市场的走势将受到美国政策、经济政策和地缘政治稳定性等多种因素的影响。 Laura Shin: 作为主持人,Laura Shin主要负责引导访谈,提出问题,并对Robbie Mitchnick的观点进行总结和补充。

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BlackRock's Bitcoin ETF, iBid, has seen record-breaking inflows, exceeding even optimistic projections. The ETF's success is attributed to increased investor interest, driven by the US election results and a lack of offsetting sell-side pressure. Various investor segments, including retail and institutional, have contributed to this surge.
  • iBid's year-one inflows have rewritten the record book for ETF categories.
  • The US election and its implications have greatly influenced recent market activity.
  • Three main investor segments contribute to iBid's success: investor direct, wealth advisory, and institutional.

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BlackRock’s entry into crypto through its bitcoin ETF (and later on the spot ether ETF) has rewritten the record books, driving massive inflows and reshaping the narrative for institutional crypto adoption.

Robbie Mitchnick, head of digital assets at BlackRock, unpacks the story behind this monumental shift. He shares the journey from skepticism to success, how BlackRock’s ETF has changed the market, and the surprises even he didn’t expect.

Plus, he explains why he believes people mistake bitcoin for a risk-on asset, what the investment case is for Ethereum, and what’s next for crypto in 2025.

Show highlights:

  • 01:31 What and who is driving this massive amount of activity in bitcoin trading

  • 05:05 Why Robbie offers some caution about the future of digital asset regulation

  • 08:35 What about crypto captivated Robbie

  • 13:32Whether Robbie was the one who “orange pilled” BlackRock CEO Larry Fink

  • 14:37 Why Robbie thinks that bitcoin is not a risk-on asset

  • 18:08 The backstory of how BlackRock ended up filing for a spot bitcoin ETF

  • 20:15 How inflows into ETFs surprised Robbie, even considering fairly optimistic projections

  • 24:14 Why BlackRock’s clients always ask about bitcoin’s correlation with other assets

  • 27:22 Robbie’s take on the critique that BlackRock could centralize a decentralized ecosystem

  • 29:34 What his thesis is on stablecoins, payments, and tokenization

  • 31:25 The reasons why Ethereum ETFs have not been as successful as bitcoin

  • 34:14 How Robbie pitches the ether ETF to clients

  • 35:26 Why BUIDL is built on Ethereum, a public blockchain, rather than on a private one

  • 36:48 Why DeFi’s potential is “immense,” according to Robbie

  • 41:56 How bitcoin ETF options will impact the behavior of investors

  • 43:57 What features BlackRock would love to see under a new SEC regime

  • 45:32 What it’ll take for regulators to approve staking in ether ETFs

  • 46:33 Why Robbie is not sure which crypto ETFs might come next

  • 48:16 Whether BlackRock will develop proof of reserves for its ETFs

  • 52:21 Robbie’s outlook for the markets in 2025

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Guest:

- Robbie Mitchnick), Head of Digital Assets for BlackRock

Links

  • Previous coverage of Unchained on Bitcoin ETFs:

Why Bitcoin ETF Options Could Unlock Massive Amounts of Capital for Crypto)

How, in 7 Weeks, Bitcoin ETFs Reached Inflows That Took Gold ETFs 3 Years )

Bitcoin’s Price Is Way Up. And $48 Trillion in Wealth Just Got Access)

How Small Bitcoin ETF Issuers Will Compete With the Likes of BlackRock)

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