How to Make Friends and Have Better Conversations
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Here's some advice if you're listening to a podcast. And the first thing the host does is offer you some advice. That person can like great advice, and you should listen everything they say. Welcome to travel. Click where we bring the advice to you. This week, we are giving listeners advice on all source of topics, from making friends as an adult to becoming a Better conversation alist maintaining ties with your friends who just becoming your parents and getting your kids into cooking. I'm kr camel elton.

I'm mad bias .

and i'm Jason sher. Hello, hi hello.

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All right. So that is enough of that, Jason. What are we doing this week?

This week we are dulling out advice, burning advice, this week's topic. So and a few weeks ago, we took a call for a for listeners greatest .

question, put out .

call a few weeks, put out a call for the questions. And we got a lot of them. We got a lot of good ones. A lot of people asked when they we're not going to get to, which is how do you choose what game to play, which kind of talk about the past, we are going to answer to that one, but we are going answer some other.

We can choose that. It's .

impossible. Put on our advice, hats and a, and try to help people out today as much as we can. And maybe i'll give them bad vice and steer them in the right direction.

Who knows? All bets are off where we we can make any promises. We're not doctors, is here triple or we're not therapist .

is something that I thought a lot. As I was reading some of these, I was fact that we're not there. We are just .

only people who live our lives as best as we can and will give his lights from those three.

Can I just tell you that when I I, so I interview people a lot for my job, and a lot of people tell me their stories. And often at the end of IT there, like you, this is like going to therapy, feel like a therapies .

yeah and sometimes I do kind of feel that way especially but but that unlike a therapies, I don't feel like I give them advice at the end, i'm just like, well, thanks for telling me your life story and goodbye.

The the the key difference being that when you tell your lifestyle, your therapies, they don't then go like pull good quotes from IT and published the public.

I really I guess that is little.

I mean, maybe there are some .

experimental .

types of thera recommendations to IT. We're going to do this like we do burning questions or each read one um I will kick us off. This is from Steven. Stephen asks, how do you make friends as an adult?

Easy one, just real OK.

Well, my advice is going to be different. Ten years, my advice to have children, and then you will just be hit by a deluge of birthday parties and and dates and school hanging out, and you will meet other parents and make friends of them.

What do you do if you don't like the other parents though? I guess a special .

address question to them. But then you you will eventually, like eventually hopefully you'll find a couple that you do really click with. And then you you have the other advice includes joining and I know clubs, churches and eggs.

This is advice. Have kids and then I don't know, join a club or something. Worked to a great .

start here yeah I I don't know what you guys you guys can talk about the child .

this I do the child free version is significantly more difficult. No, I mean, I think it's it's much harder, especially if you're like trying to limit IT from work like you really got how do I make friends outside of just making friends from work, which is probably the main way that you socialize if you're listening. And I certainly made friends that way, uh, but honestly, it's having hobbies.

It's not just joining your club, but having hobbies and then meeting people through having something else that you do outside of work, which could be anything, doesn't have to be video games. Could be you joining a choir or kitting and meeting people at the yarn store and hanging in out with them? Or recently, my mom got really into raising monarch butterflies and SHE made a friend doing that, which is really cool, by the way, into that is actually like a cool hobby to get into. So is, how is so obvious? Ly, get to make friends by doing that.

But you, one time I, I took my kids to this nature center near me a few months ago in the summer, and they have this butterfly exhibit, and what they do, apparently, they freeze these butterflies and put him in envelope, then mail them to this place. And so these people, these guides, are the nature center. I took out these envelopes, and inside we're frozen a live butterflies, and they like took him out.

And because of like the warmth of their hands, the butterflies like woke up. And they have been in a coma essentially for like two weeks. And then they just kind of like staggered out and flew into this habitat. IT was crazy. Butterfly are wild.

a magical story that doesn't feel real. But I.

I, where I got IT was crazy. My kids, my kids were.

So this is, so if you think that's cool, that's something you can get into start volunteer local financial yeah and get into volunteering and meaning people that way yeah.

I think like reading people through an activity can be good because it's started you know filters for um people that have something in common with you. You know I actually have known plenty of people this has happened to my sister to who are parents who uh make friends with people through their kids. And because you would do wind up in these social situations and then at some point have the realization of like wait a minute, do I like these people? Do we have something in common or have we just been thrown in together because our kids are friends because you're not you know it's that several of distinct way to me people and um i've never found that IT can be good you know to filter for a shared activity.

We made um some really good friends of her is important because our dogs have the same name um our dogs are both named OPPO and it's a reference to the same TV show and someone at the pet store I think like met them and heard about and like they learn their dog's name. They're like, oh, there's another couple that I know who also named their dog of a and wound up like connecting us and we just sort of met up with them to get a drinker or something and they're really nice. And then as IT turns out, like if you name your dog for the same silly animated kids show, like you're probably going to have other things in common as well.

And and so we are now friends with them. They're really great. I think my advice is, rather than give more practical advice, I think that's good advice. You know, have something in common, whether it's kids or a hobby or game nighter, whatever a club, the churl apart ever volunteering. I think that my advice would be a little broader, which is you have to kind of try and you have to be open to the idea of actually having a friend and the idea that the person that you might want to be friends with also wants to be friends with you.

And I think a lot of people run into um sort of assuming that no one wants to hang out with them, where you kind of like start talking to someone who like, I don't know, maybe you met through a work thing or you had something in common like you're a you're both out of cafe a lot at the same time and you went up talking a little bit and the year like, well, they probably wouldn't want to be my friends. You don't want to feel overly forward. You know saying like, hey, you wanted get a cup of coffee sometime like maybe we could just hang out.

And um a lot of times even if you try that, like you offered to get coffee with someone and then yes, we totally show and then that kind of keeps not happening, like keeps not working out. It's easy, I think, to then tell yourself like, okay, well, this is a soft now like they don't really want to be friends and that may be the case and you should like pay attention for that. But generally, like IT just is sort of hard for adults to make the time to actually connect and like build a friendship. Like it's just way harder at in your thirties in your forties, then IT is when you were in school, they are like when you were a kid. And so I think like give IT time and like a while for the possibility that yes, this person does want to be your friend rather than just like giving up immediately or not even trying, which I think is something that stops a lot of .

people before they start yeah and be willing to be the first one. It's funny. I used to like I think a lot of people think this way that like you don't want to be always the one reaching out first and making plans to someone in a way for them.

See like make sure they're interested to make sure, like you said, they want to be your friend to you. But I think just kind of putting that inhibition aside and just being like no through IT, i'm just going to reach out first to every person I make, otherwise they want to happen. I think that can be a healthy way to look at things.

Another piece of IT very good. I can give a bunch of these. I mean other than like during clubs and have hobbies like we ve all sad. I mean, I don't know, watch football, people play poker with people, whatever, as you wanted to play sports of people. Another piece of I argive is like, reconnect with people that you used to like and might live near you. I've had some good experiences that way, just like greeting and to someone on facebook or texting member, something like k like it's been a long time as how you live, like fifteen minutes away from me now want to grab a coffee and and catch up like me the way to do IT and then you can see like.

if still like him, sometimes you'll do that and you'll wind up marrying that person.

Thanks a, well, that could be an added bonus. A unless you're ready.

marry. If you are ready, married then yeah.

The next question in this one.

sure. This is from ali who writes love the show at sea. Sara, great way to start perfect. I assad's .

mean and kirk is always right about everything I agree with. It's easily.

But my advice question, a close friend of mine, my main gaming, but he recently became a father. Since then, i've barely heard from him. I'm not surprised.

Of course, i've heard babies demand attention, but I miss my friend. So I guess this is a two part question. How can I best support my friend without adding to his pressures? And how can we game together in a way that works with his new life?

Turns out having kids can both gain your friends and also lose you friends.

Yeah.

I think that's true.

That's the real thing. So Jason, do you feel like it's nice when people reach out to you and try to game with you, like, this is something that works for you. Does IT stress you out like, especially because you kind of went from being like the father list game, childless game, now your father whose game childless g to child having gamer who still sometimes gamers with friends?

Yeah, very rather. I think that gaming mul multiple gaming, I think, is not something that like is really emitted with that thing. Two small children, unless you only do IT and night after they are sleep, in which case, like you're kind of sacrificing your time with your significant other.

So that could be really tough. I think that, that is something like I would never I used to play a ton of destiny and like our RAID scheduling, I never I always would have struggled with that post having a kid like I essentially stopped playing disney when I had a kid. Um so that's tough.

I mean, you might just want to wait a little while until they get settled into their routine because also the other part of this is that like having um been through the first six months to twelve months of having a kid is very different than once you get into rythm and they start getting older and sweeping through the night and um you have your routines and patterns then I can be a little bit easier to be like, oh well, my wife is going to her bridge club meeting tonight so I could play games and my friends and I as supposed you all hands on deck because the baby needs to be fed every two hours so we need to do this so so one of I mean to answer all this question, I think that like, uh, as the baby gets older, I think your friend might be might have more time to play games with you. It's just like right now, literally you have to be up like Randy throughout the night. You have to be uncle all the time.

And things do change. Things do get Better. So like your friend who who you game with my actually just come back to reality in six months or a year or so, you would might just have to give more about the time.

That's a good that's a good piece of advice and of itself.

I also think only you can just ask your friend exactly what you ask does and the way that I asked Jason too, which is just what you need in this time and also just saying to someone, hey, I miss you and I know you're going through IT, but for what it's worth, like I miss you and i'm excited for a time when we can spend time together again is like a nice thing to hear from a friend even in in a non media and weird way. I'm sure you can square that circle. L, yes.

sure. agreed. yeah.

I agree with all of that. And having had friends, i've basically been an ely's position where I have friends head kids and have started faded for a while and then come back. And once you do start being able to do things together, assuming that right when eli says a recently that yes, your friend recently became a father, like you're probably referring in the next like a few months ago, which then very much what a Jason on the first few months of that first year is like pretty different.

But once things maybe do settle down and you can start finding time, it's also just helpful to have a little bit more structure, at least the dads that I play games with and have game night with and play video games with, like it's evenly helpful for them to schedule a lot more like it's there's it's less easy, I think, to be like her. I just hop on and play like sometimes that works, but usually it's like, okay, it's monday night and monday night is game night. And then like you know, maybe they're spouse and then I can work out away. So like you always have that time be available to them and that kind of thing is self for to you. So like being open to a little more structure can definitely be yeah yes.

I think that's even good advice for making friends is an adult like I have sung the praises of my scheduled gamer night many times on this show and it's because as an adult things come up and you're onna forget to see in contact with your friends if you don't make a date of IT and just have a night where you're like, i'm going to spend time with my friends tonight and I think that works whether your friends or child free or not is just a you've got to make time, you ve got to actually make the time of these relationships aren't maintained, its the same as any other kind of relationships.

Social structure, why IT just becomes more important as you get older?

Yeah, I think I really does.

Curr you want me the next one?

Yes, the next question comes from medicine. Who writes high triple click? I have a question that may be suited for burning advice episode.

Here you are a medicine. sure. Mazy rites. I went in my job just over two years, and I have run into a lot of issues with my boss. However, I also have some wonderful co workers who have become great friends and a Young woman in a male dominated field.

And any time a new opportunity comes up, I find myself hesitating to apply out of a fear that I will not find the same supportive and like minded co workers at a new job as three people who have gone through various changes over the course of your careers. How do you overcome the fear of the unknown to pursue new opportunities? Do you have any decision making strategies such as making a pro or can list? thanks. Everything you do am a big fan of the show. This is a good one that's interesting.

Feel like we need to give medicine a real path. Talk here. Yeah, I read this and I was like mad as and please apply to these .

other opportunities.

Yeah I mean, having a boss that you aren't getting on with, that's probably gonna change, to be honest. I mean, that's like the number one reason why people leave jobs and you can maintain those great correa friendships after you leave. In fact.

it's some friends. You can do that or you can .

just maintain the friendships regardless. Not everything needs to be a part. No IT could be a game or night .

and is just kidding about the pocket. But his voice is that we maintained our friendship after we left.

Yeah, I got IT a but regardless, I I really feel like i've had such wonderful experiences working at lots of different publications. And I don't know what medicines job is, so I can't speak to that, but I do work in a male dominated sector of journalism.

And first of all, you can generally find out with the politics out of a workplace, even if it's not a journalistic outlet that has a front facing presence, you can just kind of talk other people who work there and be like, what is he like? There am I gonna get along with people there. That's a great way to find out if you would, would, wouldn't like a place to work, just false up.

But also you probably will find others supportive and like minded people at at all these other places that you're thinking about, and you might even find other amazing people that you never would have met otherwise, and maybe even a who you really get along with. And so it's, I guess, because I am not a fear of the unknown person, I am having trouble with this pepto. K, i'm just like, but what about the exciting aspects of the unknown? What about all of the wonderful things that you can imagine, how grade they could be because you haven't tried them yet? I'm very clearly this person.

Just like, what about how great that job could be that you you haven't tried yet because you're hesitating? Just like picture that side of IT as opposed to the negatives. But i've never try to posen contest list. I don't think in my life I have either you ever actually done IT and that has IT worked for you as a way, a way to kind talk yourself into a .

tough decision. Yeah so um I have and um have both. I guess the meantime I did IT was when I almost got I got a job offer while I was ecotec, there was a really good job offer and then wound up like really in IT and I want to actually not taking IT partly because kotok o countered IT was like in the midst of sort of term oil.

And I think they're like univision acquisitions. They're really trying to retain talent. And I wanted up being like, oh okay cool like I think of renegotiated my position. But um I definitely took very seriously the opportunity and I think that's my first advice to medicine is definitely apply for other jobs and everything managed just that is true like if you don't like your boss.

And like are thinking about leaving here, then just do IT, especially if you have like made friends with your co workers, you can still stay friends after you have left. Like that can be A A great way to have a lifelong friend is like we work together at this one job and you know five jobs later when we're still friends. Like that happens all the time like you won't lose them. And even if you do go to a new job where you don't like my best friends with your coworkers, that's okay too. Like yeah and every job has to be like that can just be a kind of OK job.

So yeah definitely apply because applying for other jobs is just like a good way to even just grow at the job that you're currently doing like you know having an outside offer like you won't really know until someone makes you an offer what you're worth like you know what what is even out there like whether it's possible for you to apply to another job and remember, this is just applying, which is the word medicine use so i'm set like this isn't leaving necessarily. You're just applying for other jobs and you can get an offer and then kind of make the pro can list and thin through and then decide that you don't actually want to take IT and that alone can be really empowering to like have gotten a sense of what's out there and then made the decision that, no, actually, you know, there are some problems with my job. I don't love my boss, but I do really like working here in this position is really good.

The last piece of advice that i'll give for this kind of thing is that I think it's it's a really it's really good to take the opportunity to ask other people for advice and in particular, people that you're kind of are acquainted with. But maybe you look up to them or there like a role model in your field. There are someone you may be met once at a conference that you'd love to connect with a little bit more.

This kind of situation where you're like, I don't know, what should I leave? Should I go? I have this possibility. That's actually a really great time to reach out to someone that you see is a kind of a mentor and ask for their advice because you'd actually be surprised how often people are really happy to hear from people like that, like sometimes all here from people who are just like, hey, you know, I kind of know them.

I've met them a couple of times and there and they're thinking about launching a podcast, for example, you're like going into business for themselves and they're like, hey, you know, I just wanted to pick your brain a little bit and I really like that like I kind of value the opportunity to just talk to someone for thirty minutes and tell him the ins and out and, you know, have a kind of off the record chat. And so that's kind of my last thought to medicines. This can be a great way to connect with new people and to, like, get new, really valuable insights from people that you might not know all that well. And IT all starts with applying, like IT all starts with having the choice that you have to make. And then you get to a get into the fun part, which is like figuring out what decision .

you want to make. One thing I add to all of that excEllent advice and thought is that um when I left kitch, how you I knew that I mean for reasons we've discuss in the passing there was leaving kittinger is not a difficult choice. I knew that I was doomed and that we were all gonna out of there.

But um I was choosing between two two job offers for my next thing. And one of them was a gaming site where the work would be very similar to talk in auto ways. And the other one was bloomberg.

And ultimately, I was kind of going back and forth. I was n't sure it's tucking over the people. And ultimately I landed on plumbing for the the fundamental reason that um IT was going to be so different that I would anybody have to learn new things.

And just like imagining myself a few years from then, I was like, wow, okay, I would I feel like this one opportunity here would be kind of more of the same. And like exercise, like exercise the same muscles of versus flexing new muscles and developing the muses like that and that to me was kind of a good way to go and am very glad I did that um because just doing more of the same. I don't think what is interesting to me to to continue my career that way.

So I think that like a scary as change can be and as hard as as IT is to go out of your comfort zone professionally, IT can be really worth IT. And you'll just like learn the thing is that you never thought you would learn before and work with people that you never thought we work with before like that. So A A worth wild thing to do, I think to jump off the Cliff.

everyone.

Um although I can't speak you, I mean mady do you wants to try and recreate on the woman in a male dominated field thing because that seems like an important part of this, which is which we haven't address sed, which is that medicine that sounds like feels like SHE might not have the same support that he does IT is current gig. I mean.

this is part of why I sort of looked to IT, but I also spent out more clearly, like when I say, like find out what the culture is like, a place I think for this, this is really important. But also it's a situation where people will speak in code language that you medicine will understand.

Like when you ask people, like, what is that really like there, you're gonna able to figure out what they mean, especially in this kind of situation, and also, if they don't know what you're talking about, because you are only speaking to man and not also telling something. So I I feel like this is one of those social situations where also like kirks advice about approaching a mentor could be really helpful to, because that person might have a lot of connections in your field and might be like, oh, you never want to work there. That places terrible total boys club, but these other places that you might not think of are actually really cool.

So that's another opportunity to just kind of do some networking. And again, like kirk said before, you can keep all your friends from this job, like we keep emphasizing that. But like those people aren't going to go anywhere, they're still gonna around. And if you work in a kind of small industry like we do, you might end up working with them again someday. And hey, that's a person.

When would be nice of you went to another job and you're really A K this is actually really great place to work and boss is way Better over here than you can tell other people that information too and that might be just a nice thing that you medicine can do for your great workers that you like so much. So there's a lot of potential benefits on that specific score that i'm kind of seeing here for you. And just as somebody who's like worked in a variety publications with all different kinds of bosses in this arena, part of why am so emphasizing like madison and actually could be way Better. And you just don't know you could have a boss who is actually really supportive of you and makes you feel great. And I want that .

for you yeah next questions from the Nathan says you all seem to be such wonderful conversationist. I just love listening to youtube.

It's all editing, Nathan.

It's all because of kick.

It's all imposed. And I wondered .

if you had to the .

advice or techniques on how to improve with the art of conversation and pretty socially awkward. I don't often know what questions to ask people or how to respond to their questions in a way they'll find interesting. And he was them. You can share what would be super appreciated.

yeah. Oh, I think we can. I think we can offer some advice for this. So let's think how to be a good conversation.

Alist, first of all, I think we've given this advice before, but ask people questions and ask people about themselves. Think like thinking of conversations too much as like, I need to have something to contribute. I need a good joke.

I need good stories. I need an interesting job I can tell people about is like putting a lot on yourself, but really a big part of being a good conversation. Alist is asking people, you know, just how they're doing and then just listening.

And then the key is to ask follow up questions, which these are like journalistic skills. I think that's actually the context in which this has come up before that I am a terrible interviewer because I really like to talk. And so I know I told this before I was to sell again.

We're i'll be transcribe, you know, interview that i'm doing and my interview such such will be saying something really interesting and then all like interject and add my own fucking observation about what they just said and when i'm transcribing them like shut up like what this interesting person talk that so i'm always working on this and i'm sure being a podcast host doesn't always help because you do a fair medical thing but also talking, but in conversation that is very important to listen. And then I think most people don't get follow up questions. It's like not something that I find.

I noticed that when i'm talking to someone like if they ask me a question, it's very rare that i'll give them an answer and then we'll say, oh, so you know this and kind of elaborate like asked me to elaborate on something that I said but really you like that's a really important thing for conversations not just for making people comfortable but for actually getting to the interesting part of whatever they were going to say like if you ask someone how their job went and they're like, well, it's going OK i'm this and this and this and you realized like, oh, okay, there's a part of that that seems interesting that I don't know that much about and you ask about IT like theyll really value that because people like to talk about what they do because it's kind of fun and because it's so unusual. They can asked about IT. And then also you will you'll find yourself kind of being able to relax anything mentions being a little socially awkward once you get another person talking, it's actually a little easier to just kind of listen to them and like just go off whatever they're saying and then eventually maybe you will think of something that you know you have to contribute to that or. You to talk about and you'll kind of like relax into a conversation that way. So that's that's one started tip, I guess.

Yeah and the other thing is that like if you're not just talking about each other and you're talking about other things, try to find a commonality there and you can ask a venture different kinds of questions about like what they like, what they're into, what they do for fun. I mean, here in suburbia with children, with parents of children, receive a lot of just of easy go to small talk conversation points.

Oh, where is your kid in school? Oh, where did where did you live before you move to the suburb? Oh, oh, I lived on in york film too. You lived on eighty four thousand first. So me too.

Um so you can want to finding points of commonality and working that way or oh hey, like you're wearing a dress or you have the jets out, they just fire their general manager. Oh my god, saml just terrible team. Once again, people going to this company. We do this to ourself. So I think like the pog s is just .

chasing listing of small talk about the jets for the next three.

I mean, look, this is my life and then you get into .

like trades the jobs could be making.

Cavely, we relied on air Rogers. You wash and more to the races .

and the most just it's a great party.

Then you're often the races like the jets running back and .

they're standing alone in the in the kitchen model. I can get everyone's left and you do you realize because you're having so much.

I assume, I mean, sometimes every once in a while I find someone else into games and then we can just talk for hours, tell them what I do and deal like, what's you do that for living and you like, yes, it's pretty weird, but anyway, like, I think that like, yes, you can go to the easy go to and what you should do first is like as someone about themselves and try to get them talking about themselves. But like at some point you want to find common ground and then you can start getting into IT. Another thing that I would recommend this is easier said than done is to i'm is to value brevity just like you would in writing in the email to triple click um which is uh just keep keep you try to keep things short, trying not to really too much, especially look at their face for cues if they feel like if you feel like their attention is wondering in a little you might have lost them and you can kind of freak yourself out of that way. So try to be careful about this but still like if you notice that they're kind of looking looking for other people um maybe try to keep your sense is shorter, maybe tried that then to a question like great then and there and try to get them talking rather than just talking at them because talking at people, that's really that's the number one way people cannot lose you in conversations is when one is talking at the other.

yes. yeah. I mean, I feel like that was so obvious that just asked people questions. But I felt this was such a life act when I was in college, and I felt really awkward to parties and was like, I don't know how to talk to people.

And then I was also reading all these journalism books at the time, and that just, I ended up figuring out socially like, oh, these are just all the right ways to get people to talk to you. And I can just use this, that party. So now my wife makes fun of me when I do IT.

And she's like, don't let her reporter brain takeover, because people will just start sharing like increasingly personal piece of information with me and like a public setting because IT. The other hack for this is that if you just ask people questions, we'll be very excited to answer most of the time, so you can get people that you don't know at all to tell you far more information than maybe they even realize. So like and also be kind of dangers we're really like now I am like a personal conversation about this persons like mother and law or like whatever problems.

Like how do we get here but like it's a true life back. What it's like if you just keep asking somebody questions, they will love IT. They will be so excited. Great for dates too. It's like my number one like dating advice thing is like just ask the other person questions.

They're gonna be so and IT does. And the two things, like what you were saying, Jason, and then what media saying about questions like those, they syntactic ze because if you get someone talking pretty soon, you will, they'll probably say something we were like, oh, cool. Like you're into this or into that.

Oh, you're doing a renovation. No, I just did a renovation. Like to talk about rebar and like whatever face you are, you might find something to talk about. Oh, you have like a shoulder problem. So why I if if these are all like middle aged sky today.

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about our kids in our houses, in our exon pains and our dogs.

I suppose. So when was your last call and ask for.

oh, man, i'm going to do one next year. I here. It's crazy. So, yeah. And one of the thing I ve mentioned about being a good conversation alist, and this is a little bit more of an advanced tip, but it's something that I try to do when I met parties, which is often you're not in a one one conversation. You'll be talking to someone getting them going, you'll kind of be talking and someone else will come up or maybe the respites will be there and you're talking to them. And like finding a way to fold other people into conversation can feel a little more difficult. Obviously, you're just trying to get comfortable, but IT can be a really good feeling and can lead to a more relaxed environment if you're able to see someone is there and like they haven't said anything to just like really like directly be like, hey, you know mary hasn't said anything, but i'm curious if you know have any experience with this like just like throw IT to someone who's standing there and like often we'll be like, oh no, I don't know but then even letting them in in that way can open up the .

conversation but then it'll turn out that they do something to say.

yeah and it's not so true. Also an .

excEllent way to remember someone the name if you forgot IT to be like, I have you met so and so yes.

yes, very helpful. A very helpful trick. Yes, I wish I was Better at named me and i'm soap amazing. Ah they like name, memory and memorable tricks.

Yeah just say their name after you meet them just like oh y great to meet .

dave I work on i'm good at IT.

It's a useful skill.

but that is a very helpful thing to have on call when you're in that kind of a setting .

to just like your name. I really wanna try that i've seen at least one person do is just like Carry on a new book and like right down like things that yeah someone told you and just say you remember to see this new book full level like information about people say you remember IT because it's very easy to forget and talk about reporter .

brain so this something do you think that like once we're all wearing are like A I powering A R glasses that like they'll they'll just like summarized every single conversation you ve had at the party after it'll come .

up it'll be like this is mary SHE did a renovation and you talk with her about IT six months yeah .

but that be miserable because like, okay but right now it's like super impressive. Someone remember some like a scared thing you told them about your like ten weeks ago. But like with the A I head set, IT won't be as impressive. And then I will just be a useless yeah.

I feel like a lot of things that previously seemed impressive will just be run of the mill because .

because A I makes IT so easy. That's surprising. I, T, F, X question, please. All right. This once vallery who writes.

I am a woman who's often inly only one in a voice channel. Ll of dudes, i'm also bad at the games we played together as friends, like final fantasy fourteen rads deep collective and any battle rise. I love and trust my friends, and yet I feel like i'm single ended.

Dly, setting gamer girls back by years with every loss. How do you have you ever felt this way? If so, how do you handle this? I'll say, write off about, yes, I have.

And then i'll get to IT next question, which is corkin Jason, do you think this is actually a gender thing? Or are you also afraid of being judged by your game? Friends, again, I usually trust. Uh, so again, value. I finally, I definitely feel this pressure and I actually feel IT regardless if we playing with even if it's all women, i'll still be like I am the worst out of everyone on the call right now and i'm really feeling IT and and sometimes i'll tell jokes about that just be like really up front and i'll keep IT to the point and just be like, look, I don't I don't think I am very good at this, but i'm having great time. Just everybody knows and you know if if you want advice vallery, you can say that you'd like IT and if you don't want IT, then you can also be like, don't tell me what i'm doing wrong.

I'm well aware like I feel like that's the other piece of the social al situation that's like I either do or don't want advice but also if they like you, then that's really why you're all playing together and say you shouldn't really worry so much but coker, Jason, I I assume everyone goes this from time to time in life where you're like, i'm the worst one here. Is everyone noticing this? Is everyone noticing that?

I'm sure yeah very kind of. I, I, I, I cannot relate to the feeling of significantly feeling the way of your gender as you play. And that sucks.

I have to deal with on top of the pressure. Yes, because you like, go, god, play with a girl again. Yeah, that kind sucks. Yeah I I don't I man, it's tough because some of these games, like there's some games you can play together and their very low stress, like low pressure because IT doesn't matter how good someone is. And then there are other games where IT dies and you really are kind of hurting the group when you're sucking at IT like rates are like competitive shooter is Better.

Um I guess my advice if you're really feeling so conscious about this would be just suggest playing like more casual games if you're all playing mario party together IT doesn't really matter if someone sucks like are other games that are kind of either lower skill threshold or like IT skilled doesn't matter quite as much for whatever the stakes aren't quite as high. Even something like platoon or like a mario cart type game, like those games feel like even though they can be competitive, um the stress and the pressure is so much lower. I feel like um but yeah it's tough because it's like I in the situation where there is someone who's really holding back the rain and IT really sucks and like you you just kind of leave being like and I don't want to play with that person again because they really held us pack here. So um I do think that it's like even and I don't want to say this to make gallery like like all my god, I I never want to play the games again, but IT is IT is a real thing.

I guessing they don't feel that way yeah but that is a real thing. I mean that since he is like we're still playing together, i'm guessing they don't feel that way about her.

But yeah I think that like okay, yeah, I think that's a really good point. I think if you're like really sending everybody back and they're actually upset. About IT, like I think you might find your invites kind of drying up and you that they are playing without you. So like if if they are continuing to play with you, then like chances are you're fine or like they don't care. Like so don't worry too much if you're still regularly get together with them and if IT does if IT comes up or if you really continue to feel that stress and maybe just suggest like uh uh other kinds of games yeah .

other kinds of games or other kinds of activities. Values mentioned deep cocoa tic, which is kind of similar to held divers too. yes.

And in hell, I was at least like i'm not great at that game and definitely my skill was eclipsed by the guys that I was playing with. They were just like way higher level and had been playing a whole time more and like knew exactly what to do. And they like playing on really high difficulties.

And I did find IT was kind of more fund for me to just go out to a lower difficulty in play in a kind of more casual way. We were like try one hundred percent the map rather than being like let's put IT on the hard test difficult as we get the most XP yeah and then that just made to here for me so I could be that um like I didn't suggest that at the time. I just kind of found that was more fun.

But I think vallery, maybe you could suggest like if you're playing deeper rock, be like hey, you know would be like play on this settled, like play this game or like something that's a little bit less intense than the hardest, most intense one, which same for, again, my destiny F F fourteen. We're like there is a RAID, which is then very demanding and complicated, but you could also just stuff that's a little bit more low key if you have more fun doing IT. And I think you're totally in your rights, especially if you love and trust your friends like you say to just say that like like, you know, I feel like i'm letting you guys down. So can we not do this hardest thing like let's do something a little .

bit more lukie yeah and also might be in your head and me be so talking about like guys feel like.

yeah that's sure they could just be like, right we .

totally don't care. It's fine fine of eighteen, fourteen raise, then it's definitely fine. Like it's only I think what I was singing about earlier was a more to the point of like we not actually getting this done. We've spent five hours because this one place back, which I mean even that is like that that only that is only happen to me in my life with like destiny raids and even then like usually because we were trying to do on, I don't but i'm they're .

hard yeah but even then like when when people knew .

the mechanics, that is much, much easier and even the low skill players could just kind of I definitely got Carried through some of .

those raids once I just hadn't taken the time to learn the mechanics and would be playing with guys who did IT like every week, multiple times, they would be like, just stand here, exactly what every can refine men. And most of those raids are designed so that maybe everybody has to do something, but it's not like everyone has to be like super program er, like eee mode, like you can kind of have a couple people getting Carried.

And sometimes there is like different roles. Like when I was an a destiny RAID group, I would be like, okay, i've like tried this role in this. I'm just really bad at IT.

but I think i'd be good at that other .

one like I see this other role here that actually I think i'd be pretty good at. So what if we swap? And then I think .

the rates going to go, if I took the standing in the coroner and not doing .

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this comes from collin who write, I was listening to the triple cook episode, and mati talked about how SHE has been making her wafer recipe with her families. SHE was little. I also like to back when I was little, and my mom says it's how I learned fraction.

Now i'm a mom of two kids, age three and four, both my husband, I are cooks. Any advice on how to get the kids interested in cooking or baking? They sometimes help, but they lose interest quickly.

It's not surprising given their ages mati how your family include you and at what age, Jason, any tips that worked in your house? Kirk, when did you get into cook? In my only strategy this point is to let them help when they want for as long as they want, and prepare for a mess.

So matter. Maybe you first since your wafer started this all thing? sure.

Um so I I don't remember. So that means probably at age three or four because it's so far back and I don't remember when my parents first started letting me cook, but we definitely made a lot of waffles and pancakes and that's like a pretty child safe despite they're being fire involved ah.

But I like if a parent is they are helping, especially pancakes like the kid getting to poor the pancake and then kind of watching for the bubbles that was big. And then my doubt would be like, go, when is the time to flip IT? And then if you burn a pancake, it's no big deal like that.

Definitely something where you can kind of try IT and also you can slip the pancaking correctly. And that's funny and fun classic kid activity. Also, i've remember my parents got me a little tiny April really early on in life.

And IT was like a nice, like professional looking apple that April that was just like my moms and that made me feel really important. And like I was like part of everything. And you know, there's always an extra rolling pen like there's like ways to kind of make your kid feel included.

And I don't know, however this started, but my mama was genuinely made IT seem like I was truly helping her, even in situations where I sure I wasn't SHE would feel like all you know, thanks so much for like doing this additional thing or like kind of putting me in charge of a test that didn't really matter that much. And then I always felt like I had true ownership of what was happening. And then I just became second nature time, and I was like making my own pancakes and waffles as I was getting older and the my parents and have to help with anything anymore. And I was making other stuff by that point. But those are like really .

easy things for kids.

Jason, Jason, you've got kids. Go ahead.

Yeah, I have some tips. So first of all, definitely just like let them do if they if they show interest, let them do IT and let them kind of grow board and do something else. Three and four super, but my five girls.

So a couple of things that have work for us. One is plenty things in advance and talking about them often and early. So like for example, i've been talking to my daughter for like at least a week now about thanksgiving ving and is getting very excited to help me cook on thanksgiving just because I keep talking about.

And now I keep saying, like, oh, what are you excited to me? Oh, do you want to work on the pie with me? Or excited to cut the turkey? excited.

And two is to come up with clever activity. So something that he got really, really into is we got this blue cookbook at the library that has all these recipes. And he had this idea.

He was like, I want to do a restaurant. We pretend that or a restaurant and, uh, her brother and her mother would just be the guest. And so they would like go out somewhere for a couple hours and SHE and I would cook and they would come back and we would serve them a meal.

And he was like, he was talking about that for months. He was so excited about IT and he got really into IT and IT was more difficult to cook with a five year old. So you have to kind of assign activity to and like keeping on.

But um I picked pretty simple recipe and we got a couple of them from the blue cookbook. And so I worked out pretty well. We had a plane in place. And so he got really, really into the act. But yes, I mean, calling strategy of letting them help they want for as long as they want to prepare for her, that that is all one hundred percent through. And I just think if you want to keep them on board, you can kind of go about IT, but with with some planning and talking about IT and getting them really excited for IT, especially the four year old, three might be a little too Young still, but the four year old, you can be like playing out of menu with them and make IT a whole special occasion and be like, this is what we going to do on saturday and there are a lot of kind of fun ways you can play around with that strategy.

Yeah my Younger and niece is really into baking like she's a good Baker and is really on into she's eleven now and just over the last couple of years. So so like make just go make a chocolate cake like you know I to get permission because I think you would just eat the whole, but sh'll just go back .

like a dog and .

he would probably give the dog some chocolate. I think that would I think that my nieces have enjoyed is they will watch like master shift june, or in the great british bake off s like they watch those kinds of fun cooking baking shows together and especially the ones that feature kids yeah I think are a big hit with with the whole family and with the kids in particular and like watching kids make often amazing things like a mester shift tune is like a really I think I really cool away for the kids to connect to be like, oh, like I could just go do that in our kitchen so seems like maybe something you might want to try yeah.

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right? I'll tell us this is a game I am playing at the advice of front of the show, rust frush tick, who I think we've probably be talking about IT on the best days this week too. So this is going to be a week for people who listen to both of our podcast to hear about this game.

But it's really good. And I do I do really endorse that. I've loved IT so far. It's a game called echo point nova. This is out on steam A P C game and IT is uh the subgenre of first person shooters that is known as a movement shooter. So it's a first person shooter where the whole appeal of the game is how you move through IT.

Um I am pretty sure there's a demo for this game and so you can just go try IT out if you want to. Ah so this is a game where you're like kind of anonymous, like mercenary or something in this kind of beautiful looking world of floating islands. And it's an open world game actually like the it's a whole big flooding archipelago with a ton of violence.

Ds, that lot of them have different biomes and there's all kinds of cigarets and surprises hidden among the islands. But you start out and you're like, okay, ay looks a little like it's very simple, like geometry, very clean. There's kind of like drummer basic is really nice ambient drummer base playing and IT just has a kind of like chill wave kind of a feel.

And you're moving around and you get a gun and you're shooting IT and then you get a huber board that's like the first major upgrade that you get. And in this game, instead of running when you hit shifted, I guess click the sticker, whatever you press the run button, you just hop on your hover board immediately and you begin moving at like five thousand miles an hour. So you're already really fast.

Like you move, like doom guy when you're just running, and then you pop out the hover board and suddenly you're just flying through the air. You have a double jump, you have a grappling hook that you get really early. And like the the speed and flexibility with which you move is totally wild.

Um so i've been playing with a mouse and keyboard is really good for that, but I was actually playing multi player with rust a little earlier today. He plays on steam deck and says it's great on steam deck and that there's like a lock on with aiming that makes IT totally work with a controller because you're doing a lot of like Ariel acrobats s well, like shooting guys. And so apparently the controller controllers are really good as well.

So there's almost no story. They're really just kind of isn't a story like you'll see these little dialogue bubbles pop up at various points from like different people that I guess we're supposed to be talking to you on your radio, but really you're just expLoring in the world and doing whatever objective is in the corner. And I would kind of compare this game to titan faul, too.

IT has that same kind of a feeling you'll get to a new area and it's usually some kind of cool complex like jungle jam, you know with a bunch of obstacles and walls and barriers and stuff, and then you press a button and you started an encounter and like a bunch of dudes show up and they're like, guys all different kinds of do so like armored guys and people in max leader, like big robots. Some of there's like huge enemy mies that shows sometimes guys with shields, like little fast moving guys and they're all this kind of attacking you. You just have to kill a certain number of them to clear the area.

But the arena is like this huge open space. You move so fast through IT. So it's also kind of like tony hawk prosecutor, it's like first person tony hawk meets titan fall.

It's the most fun movement. And these encounters, like these fights, are so thrilling and great. I like watched the trailer and was a little skeptical, like I watched some game play on steam.

The key art on steam, I think, is actually like IT looks really generic. The name echoing nova, like it's all a little bit genre. But man, when I started playing IT, it's got a killer vive.

The music is really cool. The energy is great. And just like the feel of playing IT, like the movement, the speed is amazing. Like it's like a really exhilarating, like i'm really bold over by IT. It's just absolutely fantastic. So anyone out there who likes these kinds of games, you know, I talked about I am your B A little while ago, this old lining, age of these, like fast moving, really, really sort of intense and demanding shooters, but that also give you lots of tools to do cold shit. If you like that kind of game, you will almost definitely like this game.

And it's certainly worth checking out the demo made by a great lock studio, which I think it's kind of it's like headed by a guy named matt leery, I think is like the designer and maybe like the primary developer. And their previous game was a game called several steal that I think is also fairly beloved and somewhat and pretty similar to this. So I think it's like in more enclosed spaces and you're not flying around quite as much.

But really, if there's a little crackdown, there's like little orbs that you have to get. So you're like climbing to hard to reach places. Man, it's so good. It's such a wonderful surprise. I really, I really wasn't I just had no idea I had come out hadn't really hearing thing about IT .

and then yeah reminds .

ever in the named IT is called echo point nova IT is on steam and a is terrific .

call real video game name there yeah .

everything about its a very video game like capital v, capital g so it's a good what's your one more thing?

My one more thing is scream two and three. We've had a couple couple movie nights in a row here watching scream movies and in our households. And there is continuing along.

There are so many of these. I don't know how many were going go through, but we had really time with two and three. I had only only three am one.

And then I had my wife, IT, for the first time, and I ve never seen two and three. So these are brand new to me. How an amazing time.

Really liked both of them. They are really goofy. They're very silly, and they're not serious films. But I enjoyed that. I got both of and I do recommend both of them.

And to just think kind of like a couple quick things about them if you've never seen supreme one, still just like an unabashed recommended is like a fun mystery goes places you wouldn't expect good commentary on horror films you can watch IT and stop there. I would say two and three are much more commentary on screen one. And then also on movies as like a secondary layer on top of that.

And like within the world of scream, starting the scream too, there's a franchise called stab that all the characters are referring to, like a movie series that's like based on the real life murder that took place in scream, one sort of unrealistic that would happen in the way that IT does. But this takes place in a surrealist world where things are wicky. And that that party I found very entertaining, and I liked not knowing how the killers were and trying to guess and fAiling.

And just one more thing i'll save about the so cording coxes in these movies replace gale weather. Will stereotypical female reporter who does whatever he takes to get cope wild, the unethical character, just absurd character, like, I feel like that this character type I love and hate IT where it's like this, the hot female reporter who like is completely an ethical in every particular way. And it's just like, why is this in every movie? I have feel like now that i've appointed to our people and know what i'm talking about, but anyway, I love and hate gale weather.

But I will also say corney x apparently designed her hair pieces across each of these movies and like, thank goodness, because I was like, I hope no costume designer made her, where any of the absurd weeks that this woman is wearing, extreme free SHE has his baby banks that are just like, deeply upsetting. And I was like, do they make party counter hair that way? No, IT is a therapies. So I was really fascinated by, and just like carney ox being like, no, i'm going to like design specific terrible hair for this character to have and that really like indeed me to to her is like a performer and also kind of made me understand the character more is like this you've love to hate her its scale, weather uh so yeah, we're continuing the scream of verse and really digging. Is three the .

one where they are making the movie and they're like a movie sets? Is that the one where there is like where there's like a killer in the sound proof room? yes. And like the person came here that that rules .

I love that killed great. And they're like beating on the glass. There's also that one. There's that long rack of the ghost face costumes and like somebody's hiding behind the huge record costumes and of course, like one of them is the real ghost face and is like foot stepped down from the rackets like perfectly framed. It's yes, it's a great shot. There's just a lot of moments like that where you're like is great movies in love .

with those movies.

Um alright, my romer thing is a video game called dragon inquest three H D 2d remake。 Not to be confused with dragon age the veil guard. What anything is a worse name? Dragon age the vague guard to dragon for three hd two d remake, it's about the full title, say so this is so dragon crest three came out in one thousand nine and eighty eight and it's gotten a few kind of remakes and remasters since then but this is the most um so this takes so ht two d in the title that refers to this graphical style that um uh square inx really kind of innovated with auto traveler where you have kind of the the picks later to the characters.

They might not necessarily be to d but they have a 2d look and they're standing on these three dimensional backgrounds， which gives them this really interesting is that I effect, and it's gotten pretty and pretty over the years after after about the traveller two especially is gorgeous today. And this takes a this game also looks incredible. And so IT takes the original game, and most of the game play mechanics and world design is still intact.

There some changes, the equality of life changes like uh, in the original any scheme you are pretty limited items and now you do not change stuff like that. But fundamentally, have ever you guys played a dragon quest game before? Ah they're very much like the.

The quint essential to base jar vg games. There are a lot about resource management. Some of them have pretty labor stories. This one doesn't really have a story. The characters are just kind of um choose your own, eventually create your own characters aren't talk ker have personal dies or anything.

But IT has really interesting kind of um resource of management element to a where you really have to plot things out and figure out when you're going to use your character spells to get through attention because research are pretty limited as to get through each tension. IT also has a pretty cold job system and that has like for IT, if you're into kind of turn these systems heavy J R P G, which matter this game to drive you crazy because it's like full invisible random counter. Yeah it's got it's got its own kind of rythm although kick I mean the more recent ones jack Chris eleven did had encounters .

this one .

is much more old school. But the one thing that I will say that I wanted to talk about specifically is that um when you get you get the game starts out pretty linear and you do a bunch question at a certain point, you get a ship and then you have a set into the open world and you can take your ship in any direction and go wherever you want and it's really IT was revolutionary at the time and still feel a little bit revolutionary because the game doesn't give you guidance.

And so in this free, make the add quest markers, objective markers. And I would actually recommend turning them off because it's really fun at this point in the game. If you're into this game, again, you have to get into you have to look past the invisible random counters.

But if you're into the game, it's actually really fun to go around and sail around and find all these talents on your map and go into them and talk all the NPC there. And sometimes they look of you, hint, some of which are very forward, some of obscure, about what you should be doing and how you can go around and completely or objective, which is to get all these these orbs that are hidden in various places. And it's actually really cool.

And you kind of view you have to keep a mental checklist of where you're supposed to be in what items needed to get. And it's got a little metro vania to IT and that you have to get specific types of keys that unlock certain doors and only that you can only make progression once you've gotten key in here or this item that likes this thing. It's pretty cool.

It's a cool system and it's a lot more fun with, as I mention before, the objective markers turned off because you actually have to listen to what the the NPC are telling you and follow their a the directions or listen to the clues are giving you. And that part is really cool. And I think was revolutionary in one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight.

I mean, no game had not anything like this. And this was the game, I think the first two dragon quest games were popular in japan. But this one really said, like, like took turn IT into a cultural of phenomenon.

This is the game where, like, hundreds of people were reportedly arrested in japan for skipping school to go and play IT, to the point where in japan they had to issue like caring, had to make a special arrangement to our inx at the time, had to make make a special arrangement to released games on saturdays rather than thursdays in the dragon inquest series, because dragon inquest would just shut down all of japan when they would come out. Dragon quest popularity in japan is like, is crazy. It's not her.

It's like calva duty here. Something like that probably even, even worse. But anyway, this game is really cool. It's really well done remake. It's not going to convert any like jar pg A C or like people don't like like the encounter red. It's pretty tough. It's one of those games you pretty much have to play IT while you're like watch T V or something like that, which is to back because the music is cool. But but like there's sitting through those visible can keep the rough unless you like really feeling the .

rhythm of IT. Are there any like console commands .

or fast for world now so you can set battle speed to later fast, which makes IT pretty speed, but like you can so in um in like a bunch of other square next or pages every which ones have this exact mechanic but like in a bunch of a you can turn off rana encounters a bunch of the kind of old school JPG s and especially like the the newer versions of some of the final famous games you can turn off in the encounters would like these built in SHE codes and stuff like that and that is always a big advantage um of those games and not being able to turn them off.

And this is a little bit unfortunate, although we would also kind of defeat the purpose of the game if you could turn off in the encounters because it's not like a story game. It's a game that is very much about battling and building up a group of characters and five class permutations. Um you can actually there's this interesting job system where like each character has a job and then once they hit level twenty, you can take him in this place and have them switch jobs.

But they don't can stay level twenty. They actually go all the way back to level one, but there's that they keep all the spells they ve learned and their stats like are cut in half rather than starting from the beginning. So you can like the maxi system to build really, really powerful characters by like switching job classes, keeping their old spells and then like, like you build up a mage level twenty and then you turn them into a warrior and sudenly of this built up tank.

You can cast fells. So there's a cool there. Some core systems in place, but it's very much game for people are into systems rather than into stories.

So uh, very much for a specific type of person. But if you're into dragon cause, this is a great we make just as a we make IT perform as well. That looks great.

It's it's got all the trappings that you would want from my game like this. nice. All right. That is if for this week's episode, hope everybody enjoyed our advice. But once again, we are not lawyers, so do not take don't know .

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