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Deportation nation

2024/11/19
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Sean Rameswaram: 本期节目讨论了特朗普政府的移民政策,特别是其大规模驱逐出境计划。他回顾了特朗普第一次总统任期内驱逐出境人数不如奥巴马多,并指出移民权益组织正在为特朗普第二次总统任期可能实施的更严格的移民政策和驱逐出境计划做准备。 Nick Miroff: 分析了特朗普政府上任初期可能采取的行动,包括取消拜登政府的移民政策,恢复特朗普政府的某些政策(如“留在墨西哥”政策),并启动大规模驱逐出境行动。他指出,政府可能利用军事资源来加快驱逐出境进程,并预测将面临来自移民活动家、律师和公众舆论的阻力,以及资源方面的挑战。他认为,公众对大规模驱逐出境的容忍度有限,一旦看到相关的负面图像,可能会削弱对政府的支持。他还指出,大规模驱逐出境与降低通货膨胀的目标存在冲突。 Kelly Lytle Hernandez: 讨论了特朗普政府大规模驱逐出境计划可能以1954年的“湿背行动”为蓝本。她详细介绍了“湿背行动”的背景、目标、手段和影响,指出这是一场以种族为目标的大规模驱逐行动,其规模被夸大,其影响远不止驱逐人数本身。“湿背行动”利用媒体和公众舆论,制造恐慌,迫使部分移民自我遣返。她认为特朗普政府可能会效仿这种策略。 Sean Rameswaram: 本节目探讨了特朗普政府的移民政策,特别是其大规模驱逐出境计划。他回顾了特朗普第一次总统任期内驱逐出境人数不如奥巴马多,并指出移民权益组织正在为特朗普第二次总统任期可能实施的更严格的移民政策和驱逐出境计划做准备。该计划可能涉及利用军事资源,面临法律挑战和公众舆论的阻力,以及资源方面的挑战。大规模驱逐出境与降低通货膨胀的目标也存在冲突。 Nick Miroff: 分析了特朗普政府上任初期可能采取的行动,包括取消拜登政府的移民政策,恢复特朗普政府的某些政策(如“留在墨西哥”政策),并启动大规模驱逐出境行动。他指出,政府可能利用军事资源来加快驱逐出境进程,并预测将面临来自移民活动家、律师和公众舆论的阻力,以及资源方面的挑战。他认为,公众对大规模驱逐出境的容忍度有限,一旦看到相关的负面图像,可能会削弱对政府的支持。他还指出,大规模驱逐出境与降低通货膨胀的目标存在冲突。 Kelly Lytle Hernandez: 讨论了特朗普政府大规模驱逐出境计划可能以1954年的“湿背行动”为蓝本。她详细介绍了“湿背行动”的背景、目标、手段和影响,指出这是一场以种族为目标的大规模驱逐行动,其规模被夸大,其影响远不止驱逐人数本身。“湿背行动”利用媒体和公众舆论,制造恐慌,迫使部分移民自我遣返。她认为特朗普政府可能会效仿这种策略。

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Why is Donald Trump's second term expected to focus heavily on mass deportations?

Trump's second term is expected to focus on mass deportations due to his core campaign promise and the shift in public opinion favoring a more aggressive deportation campaign, especially in sanctuary cities like New York.

Who are the key figures in Trump's administration likely to lead the deportation efforts?

Key figures include Kristi Noem, nominated for DHS secretary, Stephen Miller as deputy chief of staff for policy, and Tom Homan as the border czar.

What challenges might Trump's administration face in implementing mass deportations?

Challenges include logistical and financial constraints, potential legal challenges from immigration activists, and the risk of public backlash once the reality of mass deportations becomes visible.

How does Operation Wetback from the 1950s serve as inspiration for Trump's deportation plans?

Operation Wetback, a mass deportation campaign targeting Mexican immigrants, was defined by racial profiling and media spectacle, aligning with Trump's approach to immigration enforcement.

What was the actual impact of Operation Wetback on immigration numbers?

Operation Wetback likely apprehended around 300,000 people, not the million claimed, and its impact was more about legalization and demobilization of task forces than actual mass deportation.

How might the public's reaction to mass deportations impact Trump's administration?

Public reaction could erode support for Trump's policies once images of children and families being separated and deported become widespread, similar to the backlash from the zero-tolerance family separation policy.

What is the potential economic impact of mass deportations on the U.S. labor market?

Mass deportations could remove hundreds of thousands of workers from the labor force, potentially increasing costs for food, child care, and housing, which contradicts Trump's promise to lower inflation.

Chapters
Trump's second term promises mass deportations and harsher immigration regulations, with immediate rollbacks of Biden-era policies and the return of signature Trump policies like 'remain in Mexico.'
  • Trump plans to launch the largest deportation program in American history.
  • Expect immediate rollbacks of Biden-era policies and the return of 'remain in Mexico.'
  • Legal border crossings are at their lowest levels in more than four years.

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President-elect Donald Trump has promised mass deportations. "Operation Wetback" from the Eisenhower days is serving as inspiration.

This episode was produced by Haleema Shah and Miles Bryan, edited by Jolie Myers, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Andrea Kristinsdottir and Patrick Boyd, and hosted by Sean Rameswaram.

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