How Algorithms, Money, & Bureaucracy Distance us from Democracy

2024/10/3

The Weekly Show with Jon Stewart

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Ezra Klein

一位深受欢迎的美国记者、政治分析师和《纽约时报》专栏作家，通过其《The Ezra Klein Show》podcast 探讨各种社会和政治问题。

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Tristan Harris

一位致力于推动技术行业采取更人道和负责的开发和使用实践的技术伦理专家和公益活动家。

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Ezra Klein：民主制度的脆弱性在于其模拟性与数字世界的冲突，以及金钱对政治的影响。过去，政党和媒体的把关作用能够阻止民粹主义领导人崛起，但如今初选制度和社交媒体降低了政治准入门槛。虽然新媒体会带来一段时间的动荡，但社会会逐渐适应。政策的有效性需要时间才能体现，且政治宣传可能会歪曲事实。政府应该简化流程，提高效率，才能更好地回应民众需求。 Tristan Harris：新兴的沟通和媒体形式（如社交媒体和人工智能）会加剧民粹主义和极端主义的兴起，因为这些平台的设计目标是最大化用户参与度和注意力，而不是促进健康的民主环境。长时间使用社交媒体会扭曲人们对他人观点和社会现实的认知，加剧社会分裂。要改变这种现状，需要改变其以参与度为导向的商业模式，并利用人工智能技术，在社交媒体上实时添加事实背景信息，以对抗虚假信息传播。 Jon Stewart：政府对民众需求的回应程度比媒体环境和沟通环境更为重要。政府应该更加关注民众的实际需求，并利用技术手段来提高效率，解决民众问题。社交媒体算法会放大负面情绪，加剧社会冲突，需要采取措施来应对。

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With the election just over a month away, Americans are caught between a flood of political promises and the reality that we live in a time of political dysfunction. Joining us this week to explore the root causes are Ezra Klein, opinion columnist at The New York Times, host of "The Ezra Klein Show" podcast, and author of "Why We're Polarized," alongside Tristan Harris, co-founder of the Center for Humane Technology and co-host of "Your Undivided Attention" podcast. We examine how engagement-driven metrics and algorithms shape public discourse, fueling demagoguery and widening the gap between political rhetoric and public needs.

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Host/Executive Producer – Jon Stewart

Executive Producer – James Dixon

Executive Producer – Chris McShane

Executive Producer – Caity Gray

Lead Producer – Lauren Walker

Producer – Brittany Mehmedovic

Video Editor & Engineer – Rob Vitolo