Miranda Devine: All of the Biden Family Crimes, Hunter’s Future, and How History Will Remember Them
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So we saw the lansky, a campaigning for common here, the unelected president I said be dictator of ukraine, campaigning for combo Harris in pennsylvania a couple of weeks ago. And I just is a reminder that the ukraine is not just like a foreign policy priority. IT is central to the administration and has been for ten years. What you ve report them more than anybody. why?

Well, I mean, that's the central question and the kind of mystery about joe biden, and it's the key to figuring out how he got to be president this very unprepossessing, very intelligent man um we sort of captured, I think, in his very earliest days in the senate. He came to the senate as a Green thirty year old kind of part time grifter from delaware.

And he was immediately embraced by the sort of elder statesman en, who are controlled the foreign policy establishment basically in the senate, and was elevated to the most powerful committee in the a, the a form m relations committee, which handed up being chairman or ranking member for over a decade. And that is the the place where the C, I, I mates government power that he he had access to, the C, I, C. I had access to him.

And he was very early on um captured by the chinese or captivated by the chinese. He traveled as a Young senator to the chinese equivalent of matheus vania, and met all the top C, C, P. People, came back waxing lyrical about how wonderful china was, just like tim walls, same sort of capture. And so much so that the weekly standard at the time ran a covered storage of saying how ridiculous was um and the same with russia, you know the foreign policy um establishment in amErica has this um obsession with russia and wanting now change changed with putin um enlarging nature that was people don't really realize, but joe biden was pushing for the enlargement of nature to include especially ukraine and georgia so yeah Victorian england um and joy byand are probably the two most instrumental americans in ukraine policy for you know since before the madden revolution in twenty fourteen. Um Victoria milan was over there this is ridiculous scene that was captured on video type of her sort of striding around made on square handing out sandwich es from a big bag to the protest is there and saying, good on, you know well done and the CIA.

I mean, it's pretty much of an established fact that the C I was involved in the top playing of the yana kovach uh regime there, which was sort of more russia aligned but not as much as he said in a he was sort of trying to do a european and tried deal but um anyway he was after about two months of phone calls with joe biden, then the vice president who would hiring him and make these grandiose threats yano which finally had enough after the ninth phone call is like interminable along phone call with joy biden he just gotten a helicopter and left and then Victoria newland is captured on a on a foregone call that was um I think recorded by the russians but released in which he ends. Genuinely her and she's just talking about how they're going to impose their puppy government on ukraine and they're gonna get joy by involved and he's gonna give the new government and ash a boy on the phone and jack sulivan has told them that they've got to get joe biden involved. So these very unsuppressed ve people, Victor millan, not very impressive. And um neither is joy bad. They ended up being a sort of rulers of ukraine.

But what was the appeal for them was an ideological .

um I think third Victorian england yes because she's a hawk you know in a country was the chinese um primary adviser in the iraq war I remember very well yeah um so I think and her husband Robert cagan is like a leading new collections. I worked with them.

one of the dust people i've ever worked never yes, bob hagan and a very angry and unpleasant man but stupid.

How did he become so influential .

um because he's part of you know the washington forming policy establishment and you know because his views yeah know his views are consistent, Normally consistent. They are through the architect of washing's reign policy um vi anti american and I would say uh extremely anto american but um but conventional yeah so I know so that's that's interesting because .

I mean I think I don't know about Victory lan shelter strike me being particularly intelligent joy biden. Certainly not apart from here is a sort of coming political cunning um but the three of them then have those those establishment views so they're useful and that's kind of my premise is that joe biden was the sort of tool of the global the people who are in control are from the C. I. A, the state department, and they wanted a sort of puppet president as they have pretty much always had and the same people who covered up for joe biden, his corruption allowed at Green litter, are the same people that are popping up camera Harris, and who regard donal trump as an existential threat, but not to american democracy, like we're told, but to them in their power.

It's just, it's amazing to me, is an amErica if you told me ten years ago that would be, you know talking a reporter uh, on camera about how the C I, A controls with the president is and the news is the president popt thought that sounds a little far out, but it's clearly true yeah .

I don't know just to C A. I mean, I think it's the what obama people called the blog what might means talks about the units, the pentagon, state department, C I A um and in in the cover up of joy biden's corruption and hunter biden and the hunter by investigation also the department of justice and the I risk were involved um and so it's the classic what trump called the deep state um and they couldn't control him he's always been an uncontrollable person and that's I guess his gift um what what made him so good as president and is allowing him now to do so well but IT also makes him an instantiated threat to the blob, to the deep state.

So the impeachment, the first impeachment of trump over ukraine should have been the tip off to the rest of us that ukraine was really the kind of the whole point for these people. And I remember thinking, well, I was just an excuse they were using because they wanted to impeach trump. But no, IT really was the third rail for them.

Yeah, in hindside, IT was incredible that donal trump got in paged for the scenes of joy bad and effectively um doing exactly like being accused of doing exactly what joe biden did which was to withhold USA dry barden with held a billion dollars of U S. A. Um so that the president parish hanka of ukraine fired the honest prosecutor who was investigating the company that was paying his son a million dollars a year and donor trump made um in a conversation with elenchi he said, you know can you please investigate and the biden family um stopping the prosecution of arizona this energy company in ukraine and um for that and for supposedly talking a battle with holding aid for like a million second from ukraine he got in paged we only know about that .

conversation because he was spied on and the contents relieved correct no I mean .

the conversation head with slang ski is public, I mean it's listened to and there's a read out um but I guess and he then released a transcript himself but you not meant to have a vacation and american people meant to have observation transcript. These phone calls for some reason are not actually recorded. They just sort of transcribed but yet was late by um a ukrainian american um sort of I don't know. He was in the in the in the state department at the time .

listening and the crime was threatened to withhold aid as if the ukraine is a constitutional right to american tax dollars or something. I don't understand.

well, because they said that he was a he, he was of political benefit to him, even though jibed was not candidate for prison at the time. They said that that somehow Donald trump knew that joe biden, who was the least likely to become the democratic candidate um that somehow Donald trumps had a Crystal ball and figured out that there was joy biden actually I mean, Donald trump knew that there was an a various stuff going on in ukraine um and he'd had his personal lawyer, really Julie anne was looking into IT and he suspected that ukraine was involved in um interfering with his campaign in twenty sixteen and getting his campaign manager um I got called manager basically in up jailed um and i'm not i'm not defending manifest I think he was like a lot of grifters, american grifters in ukraine very corrupt country the most crop country in europe um they are out there with their hands up um so the republicans doing IT but the binders were doing IT and I think that you know enjoy biden as vice president sold out the country in many ways.

The ukraine was part of that for a few million dollars for his family um and you know maybe twenty five million that we've discovered from china and ukraine and russia and romania and so on. And but but you know I think ukraine has just been an obsession by the blob because they think they trying to weak in russia and they think the way to do that is they want to win um europe of russian energy and um and they had this fantasy that ukraine was gone to be able to supply europe with the energy that russia didn't want psychotic off. But it's impossible because ukraine has three percent of the shell gas deposits that russia has. So IT doesn't make sense.

why? Why would they care? I don't i've never know why rush is bad.

I my actual theory, I have two series. One is that because it's um sort of orthodox ristich and so the now amErica always sort of exported its way of life and its democracy and that's been a benie thing until maybe the last decade when the state department is now thinks that its role in in exporting american culture is L G B T accused stuff which goes right down to thinking indonesia very conservative kind of muslim country I think that was indonesia or anyway was country like that where um they were having like drag drag queen story time.

The state government was funding that you know which just causes great hostility in these conservative countries that damages america's interest to impose these so um of bizz social norms onto um this like maybe a culturally conservative countries. And I think russia is regarded as cul culturally conservative. Putin um has allied himself with the orthodoxy church I don't think necessarily because he himself is religious at all, but just because it's a source of powerful him. And um and you know you see IT in poland, lot of those eastern block countries um they really reject this um this cultural imperialism from amErica happened in afghanistan amine when cbl fell, the pride flag was hanging over the brand new embassy that the americans had built .

so that they hang a pride flag in afghanistan yes.

So this this is just all that does is antagonize everyone around the world and I don't think the american people one agree with IT.

Or why would you be exporting homo sexuality yeah and transgender.

you know, trying children. But why would the U.

S. Government even have that in its portfolio? Why is that the U. S. Government's business who you sleep with?

Well, because that joe biden came in promising equity and um he just gave an interview to the blade, I think just boasting about how important his his administration had been in promoting um you know transgender rights, a rain by rights so I don't and it's sort of a sort of a shadow agenda that mars americans aren't really aware of. But you saw when on uh when joe biden invited this transgender woman, i'm who came to the White house and bid her breath, she's really a man, bid her breath for the cameras in in the White house and the pride flag was adorning the White house and equal status with the american flag and people were outraged by that. But I think we wonder .

why we're getting all these hurricanes. It's not global warming. Sorry, the chinese in the White .

out always had urraca .

yeah well yeah. But you can see they be increasing in frequency after stuff like that. But I think .

that that's one my russia has resisted and they are trying to impose on, right? The same with hungry. Remember they? AmErica has sent hungry, kind of traditionally catholic and quite culturally conservative. And so what does amErica do send a gay ambassador with husband and adopted kids um to just talk about nothing but gay rights and the of about eighty .

and this doesn't become garran and his lecturing everyone in the country about how and moral they are yes .

I mean sending to australia he would be embraced that would love him. But you know, why would you antagonize a country that conservative is having its own?

That's the purpose of diplomacy, right? Is to make your potential allies hate you. That's right. yeah.

So I think that's one one reason that, that the state department has an allowing for russia um but also I think it's because this is my fear I have not proved for IT but that you know china seems to be much more of a threat than russia which is a small G D pay that really isn't um that much of a threat to america. Wears china is entry aching um you know it's it's imperialist. It's um very aggressive now in the south china see it's trapping all these countries in debt traps. Um you know the belt road initiative imperial objective in its directly threatened to the united states so I think that the wall state or the people that um fend the blog and fund wars don't want the american people to realize that china's the real threat um so they focus their attention on russia and um so that we just forget about china and amazing how many .

americans fall for IT I say that was sadness. They fall for what I mean, what was russia as imperial names? no.

What what thread does russia post the states except a nuclear response to provocation? Yeah I to I don't. I don't. But people kind of fall for is like the worst personnel is putin, okay, maybe a bad guy, but that there .

are a lot of bad guys .

around there, a lot of bad guys. There are a lot of bad guys, including in our government. So it's it's interesting um. So but you think the the point of ukraine is to destabilize russia? Yeah and the point of destabilizing russia is because they won't about to american cultural imperialism on the gay stuff.

Not entirely. I just think that that gives um sort of impetus and passion to those people in the state department who um you know everyone needs to be on the same song shade and they all need to hate russia and so why you have to try and understand why do they hate russia so much? What's russia done to them and you know I do think that um that the fact that they sort of I may remember the dramas when putin impose some sort of anti gay law, I don't think IT was IT wasn't actually andy gay was kind of what ron descend is trying to do in florida is just stop this groing and encroachment on childhood .

yeah you can't throw sexual propaganda children yes that would be like the know anti kid touch your law that be a Normal country right and and you know .

you can't fund horon replacement um and genital mutilation for twelve years old you know you don't want to set kids on the path of changing their six so leave them alone until their eighteen I think that's pretty reasonable but that saying as being antigay amazing it's funny .

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no so that's why I write the second book, the big guy which the code name that hung and former business partners like tiny bubble in ski um used to had had to use to referred to job den because a family was so paranoid about his involvement. And I think you know the the first book, the laptop from hell that we at the new york post wrote about and then got censored by a big tech at the time that was before the twenty twenty election. And we didn't really understand like how this is happening. We just thought, oh, twitter and facebook just wall can they want to boden to win so they entering us. But what we found out after the election um in part thanks to elon mass opening up the twitter files um and also um because of a whole lot of the once the republicans took the house in twenty twenty two um or after twenty two, we um we they got discipline or whole lot of documents and also interview witnesses plus whistle blowers from the F B I told us that um the reason that twitter and facebook sent to us was because they're been um warned by the F B I for weeks ahead of our story and appearing to look out for um a russian hacking league Operation, a likely about likely involving hunter biden and so when twitter and facebook saw a story on october twenty, twenty twenty, they recognized immediately as the russian hacking lake .

how would the FBI know well.

the FBI was spying on ready Juliana, who was donor trump's personal lawyer. They unbeknown ed to him. They had a covert surveilLance warrant on his eyes cloud and so they would have had access to the email that came to him in August to twenty twenty from jump mac iz who was I think you've interviewed him, the laptop repair shop owner who um had the laptop that hunter had abandoned at his shop and and the FBI had actually um the pain that laptop in december of twenty nineteen they had IT in their position they had had IT for ten months when they were telling twitter and facebook。 Oh no this is russian disinformation, you know um you must sensor so and then a few days after we were censored outcomes, the dirty thirty one letter and I was the the open letter by fifty one former intelligence officials, most of them C I, I think forty two X, C, I, A, including i'm john bryan and leon paneum and James clapper. There were five are either directors or acting directors of the C I, I who signed that dishonest letter that said that the laptop was russian disinformation and they for our reporting was russian disinformation um they called that they said that had all the classic reMarks of a russian information Operation so now if any of them respond to any questions about IT and uh they just say, well, we didn't say I was russian disinformation.

We said information Operation something and they knew because they leaked IT to political and then the washington post in new york times picked IT up and all the headlines were russian on the laptop so that killed the stories stoned IT and two days later um jobim gets up on stage with Donald trump in the last debate and he uses that letter to basically get out of jail free and the story never ever became anything um but what we now know is that that letter was not just signed by these formers but that IT was cleared by the internal C I A classification review board in record time and even they saw and thought I was eventually political just three weeks before an election. So they sent up upstairs to gina haswell, who was in the C. I, A director under Donald trump. And SHE gave IT the Green light to be published immediately. And so the duty fifty one letter was actually a domestic C I, A interference Operation with the election and you know that just both mind once .

what happened .

well SHE obviously left and he now has a job in some either a law firm or something. It's one of the you know stables that um disloyal democrat lovers end up going and making lots of .

money in but never punished, retains their security clearance.

Of course all of them do all all the fifty one. And in fact, several of these signatories are not just form A C, I A people, but they're active C I A contractors today.

But when I pull that, I ve never understood. No one has a right to a security clearance period, and people have them pulled all the time. Unpopular people have their security clearances. Ces pull. At which point the camp with the west government, and they can't, they don't access to information that I is a taxpayer don't have access to when I just pull their security currently.

like every single one of them day one well, I mean, that's what dom should have done yeah and body, I had a couple of months, I guess, and IT took a while to for this all to settlement everyone to really understand what they did, that they actually didn't interfere with the election because, I mean, we know now from polls that enough biden voters would have changed their vote if they'd known about joy bard's corruption. You know, even if they had just knew that he'd been lying to american people during the campaign when he said I know nothing about my son hunters overseas business dealings and yet we had on the front page email from hunters ukrainian an uh sort of paymaster um from that company prizm a who um has thanked on to for introducing him to his father in washington D C then sitting vice president um we found out after the election that was a dinner at cafe milano. Would you probably know in Georgetown .

that on my .

life yeah well hunter organized that um for his father the vice president in a private room to meet with his ukrainian business partners plus russian plus caz. He did a three for one deal in April of twenty fifteen and joe biden denied that he'd ever met these people he SAT down, he had dinner and IT was only when the washington post. Um just trying to fact check my story about the cafe milano. Gina um you know the four porochial s people were very glam. Castle was certain that i'd made that up or IT was wrong.

The people and the White .

house then added ted to blame casa not never to me that yes, joy band did go to that dinner, but he didn't do a friend in a various pumps. Not only stayed for short time, which is not true, because someone who was there told me that he was there for the entire dinner and he might not like it's not like joe biden is gone to talk about the final details of, you know, how much money you going to pay hunt a but he just has to show up and be charming and be the vice president for all the money to flow into hunters pockets.

Has he ever answered any substantial questions about this?

The only time that he sort of asked the question is actually by the york post motioning correspondents Stephen Nelson and by um Steve duced Peter duca sorry from my fox news and all they managed to a shout questions um across to him but in all the interviews .

that biden has done as president in four years, no reporters ever said so let just go through this for .

a second no no so there was someone I think from mutating C B S. That was a woman um that was standing up. He gets very aggressive um the x OS there was an aioc reporter too. He just job and people underestimate his aggressiveness. He's very good, added you. He's very nasty and so if you asked him a question he doesn't like it's almost like this narcy stic rage, quite frightening and you see reporters recoil and you ask him anything around hunters sort of or the a family corruption because it's just also a joys Younger brother jim biden, um he gets very aggressive in nasty and pushes back so he's successful in that.

Why do the C I A um dislike trump so much? It's really not because they thought he was unfit tory president. They supported the senile man for president. So that's not an important criterion for them. What's the real reason they hated trump so much?

Because trump is uncontrollable. He's always been uncontrollable since he was a child. Um he that his sort of magic strength, I think that he won't be told what to do by anybody.

And you saw the effect of that during the four years that he was president. Um suddenly the blob's agenda was to the way side, because Donald trump t treats foreign policy just like domestic policy, just the way he did when he was appropriate. Developing coins. He acts on first principles, logically common sense. He looks at an issue, and he goes, this is a problem just gonna treat like, for instance, when he became president, barack obama said to him, the biggest problem that we have is north korea because kim john wen keeps on detonating all these nuclear tests and um he is a problem and so Donald trump neutralize that.

He put kim john on in the box and he was much, much lesser for you know a little rocker man and brance with kim john gen but that worked same thing with putin um you know trumps just very blige erant um he he just makes threats and people don't know if he means that or not. I think he threatened putin that you know those lovely dorms in moscow. Shame if something happened to them.

And putin didn't invite any countries while trump was president, like he did when obama was president, like he did immediately when biden was president. So putin was in his box. Iran on its knees.

IT was completely broke. IT didn't have the money to fund the proxies to attack israel like I did last stop top um you know the middle st, whatever you think. I mean, the Abraham calls were the promise of peace in middle, which had been, you know, the mantra of so many presidents for decades. And suddenly trump comes in and he kind of starts to pull that off. And that was a natheless to the blob controllers. Because the agenda, whatever agenda they have, which eyes I kind of think is still I pack I not really understand IT completely um but um their agenda is is the opposite of what the american people want and um that's why a Donald trump didn't follow their agenda and that's why he was so successful in foreign policy and they don't want that so I think that the idea that he would become prison and again um is an existential threat to them in their power and that's why they will do whatever IT takes to ensure that he doesn't win. And we've seen theyve attacking with law fair to assassination attempts they've totally demo ized him so half the country thinks he's hitler um and still hasn't worked if he does .

get elected um I think it's preclearance he can't really god with the government like the one we have now or the one we had between sixteen and twenty. Do you think IT will be possible two and four years up .

route the rot I I mean no, I don't think so, although the thing is he's much wiser than he we all are then we were we I looked back even in twenty twenty and think and gave we were um I mean, this happens all the time. I and twenty sixteen you think you nave after the IQ you think you nave you really you can never be too cynical, I think. And sorry, he knows a lot more now. And he knows, he knew that the deep step was a problem but I don't think he realized extent they would go to to couple his administration, which they pretty successfully did, is amazing. He achieved as much as he did considering the russia hooks hanging over him the muller investigation ah you know he's just coming out of IT into the clear and then coit um so I I think he'll be older minor I think he will not be a knife about the people he puts surrounding.

He admitted himself that he made mistakes in personnel um and I think that's why this demonization of the project twenty twenty five or whatever ties from the heritage foundation um has been so effective because uh they know that um what trump needs is a really good group of two thousand people to install die one in his administration and that was really the the central premise of project twenty twenty five um but I think he's got a good good group of people like got how would lottie who knows about how to um how two thousand good people at the moments notice because he had to do IT with canto fit turd after september eleven um sorry he now he's got you know elan musk um you um R F K genia. I just got a baLance of um smart people who are not sort of traditional republicans but who are wise about the deep state and the kind of um existential threat to democracy they are even though they project that and demonized trump for IT. And so a lot of people silicon valley, they see that trump is actually um the answer and not the problem and so they're backing him sorry, you would hope with that brains trust that he's going to be able to at least make a din on that.

I don't think in four years he's gonna able to solve the problem of the C I A F B I, the state department but probably find you know the top three layers and um and I will be messy and they will probably stage I don't know, i'm in the worst thing you can imagine. I don't want to drink. You know terrorist domestic terrorist tax americans being um thankfully free of that. Unlike england, australia, most countries have had islamist terrorist attacks unlike america. So whether that's because american culture intrinsically sort of um allows immigrants to to feel american so they don't hate amErica as much, or because I A C I F B, I did a great job, I don't know but I would imagine that um that'll be used as an excuse and a way to wake up and trump um but he's only got .

one term that seems .

like a to .

me isn't yeah I would think so yeah that pulling the supports out of modernity.

Economy, yes, cause yeah genet yell's been cropping up. Joy, bad. And in the economy, in the .

stock market, yeah 你说 了， go back for one moment um to buy this behavior as vice president pretty out in open I mean, the sun hunters flying around the world raising money on his father's name. What is barco obama the then president? Think of this.

Yeah I that was strange I mean he was aware um of joy biden's corruption issues because um when they were voting biden to be vice president this was a major issue and hunter had to resign from there is lobbying gigs had and was very resent ful of IT in fact he resented obama and the obama White house because they kept jum putting crm mps on his ability to use the White house to make money. Um and like for instance when when hunter fs joined the bissau a board his best friend in business devon archer who has is now an anti uh biden person but um was then on the brisbane board with with hunter um he was invited with hunter to the White house to make with joy burden and extensively for a school project but what came out of that was a photograph of a joy bide and device president with hunters business partner devar's a just join the board of arizona that arizona then hunted took the photo arizona put that photo on the website um and that became a problem for the White house when they realized so um the the ethics are or the White house council actually contacted a hunter biden business partner and other business partner and said quick ticket down sorry IT was an emergency situation but IT was enough IT was seen and IT was enough of an embarrassment for David gintian of old people at the washington post to write a column um exploration ating joy .

by for being so sloppy David is being the C I A spokesman question post yes yeah foreign icy .

calomel in like philp pump so .

what about that? Um you you spend your life in journalism. You're the daughter of a famous journalist um at what point did like the overwhelming majority of journalists become more loyal to the C I, into the readers?

I don't know. I think my father was a journalist in tokyo o in the ninety sixties and he said he was crawling with spices then. So journalism, especially in the cold war, was full of, well, those or gas publications like new york, wishing post full of spies back then your dad would know as well from, because he was a journalist in that era. I think IT was really journalism inspires, were good friends and great sources, and also kind of interchangeable in some ways. So I maybe nothing is changed.

Well, I think that's actually fairly I think I think that's true. So you're but .

the difference that I think the C I I used we used to think I don't know if I even question myself, that is now. But we used to think that they're on the side of the Angels like they were promoting truth justice in american way and that was a good thing. But I think they've turned you know, they are now not acting in america's best interest. I don't know if a rogue element has has crept in. I don't know if you know because of they they recruit smart kids from universities and those kids already been brainwashed. John bryan was a communist um you know I like known to be um at one point so maybe just the people they are recruiting have changed the culture of the C I to be more anti american like you know the universities are like the institutions are so maybe that's just an organic thing that happened but certainly they're not acting in the best interest of what the american people want.

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Certainly now though, it's it's pretty obvious that there's a massive disconnect between the agenda of the blob state department, dod, CIA and I say all the all the armed federal agencies and american voters are just not really a big overlap between what one group wants and what the country itself. So at some point, don't journals have to say, oh, I don't know. I am sure to represent my my readers of viewers. They don't seem to have any sense of loyalty or obligation to the people they're supposedly serving.

Think about the new york times in the motion post, who are the people that they are serving, who who really are the subscribes of the new york times? Um we don't have any visibility into that. Do you think the new york times really cares if the C C P buys up um you know a million subscriptions at one dollar a pop?

Um the washington post like they're serving the blob. That's their people there. The possible .

that foreign governments by occupying tions in bulk to try to influence new organization.

I don't know, but that makes sense and know if IT is happening or not because that's all propriety information. And why would the new york times look too closely at the golden, the foreign goose lade?

That's like that's a fascinating I mean, you know that foreign ments intel services are all over social media. I mean, all well, that's one of things we learned when ella must winter is that foreign governments, a number of foregone governments, had employees working there.

C, I, F, B, I had, if they were crown, there were so many twitter that they had like A A support group, like they had their own slack channel.

the group. And and remember .

James becca, the he was the general council, the FBI during all the right. He was involved in all that russia collusion stuff. He he was certainly there in the room. And then suddenly, eight months before the twenty twenty election, he gets parachute ted into twitter as the number two lawyer um and he was involved we now know from the twitter files intimately in the censorship of the new or post there were people at twitter including the much mind um your roth who was the chief sensor um he was actually pushing back on this F B I C I A censorship but James becker can .

ask you the place that such a smart point your roth or something about of you just IT was too easy to hate and blame but he turned out your roth was by far IT was .

a good guy .

far for exactly exactly d IT .

spoken to him no but i've um he wrote a sworn declaration for a separate um a separate court case in which he was just honest he said um that he he was one that told us that the F B I came in and said look out for this rush on this information in october about understand so i've always had a soft spot for him I thought. Well, he's one of the few people there has been truthful you know he doesn't want to have an agenda.

Do you said the F, B, I knew i'm jump ing. You said that the FBI knew that the laptop was coming. Your reporting was on the way because they were spying, unusually, on the president's lawyer, which is pretty shocking. Yes, they would do that.

They never found anything .

why I know that we were being surveilLance at that. I know for a fact in october of um my precious I were .

being surveyed.

but I don't know by somebody who you stole up um a hard drive with images from honor's laptop out of the U P S sorting ings center new ork. Um do you have you ever thought that because you've reported on this so extensively for so long that maybe you know your communications are not secure?

I'm sure they're not yeah and in fact, um when I talk to new people like there was some N Y P day former in Y P day people, it's sorry F B I N N Y P D people um they said to me, uh we are gonna make we had to meet in person they didn't trust exit to me your phones you know I know you mean well, but there will be people listening in on you so so I am .

just listened to the conversation in the room through the night of.

I don't know, I don't know how they do IT. I mean just the fact we have our phones with us, people who are super secure conscience, including wall state people, and they leave their phones outside. But I kind of think i'm a journalist and so if i'm meaning with um sources that don't once or always mean in person anyway or we communicate with encrypts, which are probably not safe a couple of a maybe okay um when .

when your reporting was sensor to anybody in the what has press core any fellow journalists you knew from other publications extend sympathy and city like I think this is wrong what's happening I mean had another journalist .

respond all the usual ones you would expect what did so the conservative ones um but no I mean remember Maggie haberman who used to work at the new york post, now new york times star anti person um SHE and just a Normal reporter like SHE actually has a good curiosity still and so SHE tweed our story because that was amazing and there was another um reporter Young reporter I think from political somewhere who also resulted um just like oh look at the new opposite guard october surprise um and they were like exploration on twitter by journalism profess for having the audacity to promote alan story what's .

a journalism professor?

Exactly a propaganda. Maybe that's what .

they a job that requires a specialist degree. Do you think .

I did a degree? No way. That was brilliant.

IT was brilliant. This was in ninety six. So IT was IT hadn't been polluted.

And there was some fantastic real journalists there. Chicago, not colombia. So chicago was OK then. incredible. IT was wonderful. I I learned so much about, you know, just the basics of journalism, and there was no propaganda.

Well, you just overturn my preconception.

But I think it's different. Now look, I look I look at northwestern, I see what happens, but and columbia and the differences that the new breed of journalists think that they have to change the world. And that's why they are slumming, becoming journalists, not going to wall street.

You know. I think if they were smart enough to lend money for a living, they would they were getting the dub ones. So what what exactly happened to draw bidness? He still mean he has escaped any punishment for the mini crimes that you've detailed at some length. Um and I don't think that's over a statement to say you've detailed the crime to draw and he's never been punished, never will be. I don't think is he still run in the country?

Was he ever running the country?

That's of course.

Yeah I I mean, if you saw him in twenty twenty in um in on the campaign trail basically in new IT was obvious that he was connected vely shot um he'd have to have doctor jill lead him across the stage to make a stupid speech.

He had teleprompters dragged into tiny town hall because no one was interested in him um just to do basic stump speeches that any other politicians could do in their sleep so IT was amazing that things were rid and that people like amy club a car and people booter judge just degreed to step aside for him but um I guess he was the only pallium available candidate that they had that they could pretend with a moderate to the american people and so so but I think with joe biden sort of a mystery everyone now is saying all you know he's now but I think with all these um like cognitive jakin's problems um it's sort of wax ism wines and and remember he had those annual ms back in I think the eighties had a couple of pretty serious brain blame very well and brain Operations so you don't know how that fact design and because I know people and foreign foreign sort of heads of state who have met with joy by and behind closed doors for extended periods in washington, D. C. From two different countries and they said he was completely losted this is halfway through presidency that i'm going come on.

No way, you know you can tell me, is off the record. No, no, no. They said, no, absolutely.

He was complemented. He was running the agenda. Everyone around him, like Anthony blinkin, was deferred to him. He only had like A A like talking points on a piece of paper that you refer to occasionally, but he was definitely in charge. So that's the good job add. But then someone else I spoke to who was there one of those g twenty or G I summits in cornwall in england um said that and remember that there was footage of joy bad or wandering around aimless ly and i'm looking lost and apparently he was completely out of IT there he was you know goosey birth john on's wife and um just acting very inappropriately and um and so so I think the jet lag and you know the time of day when they can't quite control his environment that he the centrality sort of crapes in but he still has losted moments and maybe long moments and we saw that every time he had to do a big set pace except the debate against stone trump when IT almost seemed like they let him out without a safety net, you know, late at night when he'd been doing all this traveling and um IT was almost like he was set up to fail and um I now he probably he had sleep. He doesn't he hasn't to travel as much.

He's vacation in all the time and his beach Charles so I think he's probably in the best cognitive shape is being in for a while and he seems to be pretty Lucy um you know when you see him out giving speeches, when he's undercutting camera Harris as he did twice in the last few weeks. Um you know when he said he just should pick a fight with from the scientist so over the hurricane and joy by seamlessly comes in this up on to send is a great guy and I talk to all the time uh when he cut in SHE was going to do a big speech in detroit where he was going to take credit for ending the long shamans in pending strike and enjoy biden just that moment decides to make an appearance in the washington you know the press room for the first time ever and of course all the cameras cut from detroit straight to enjoy by and he didn't have much to say other than to say that he and camel Harris were joined at the hip that we were singing from this you know where on the same page and she's trying to turn the page. So I think that he is and there's been reporting from behind the scene that he is angry that camera Harris trying to or help campaigns try the distance her from him and throwing him under the bus and trying to reject boyd's nomics SHE went to. I think pitzer g and gave this economic speech uh in which are the pitzer chicago in which he didn't mention byng ic SHE did not pay tribute to enjoy biden for the fabulous economy that he's given everyone so he was angry about that apparently and doctor js angry as well.

Do you think IT would be pot? I mean, come here has gotta as controlled as to biden .

was rect people. They are same people. You saw there was a letter like the duty fifty one letter. I mean, I got two hundred and fifty one people from the national security establishment some of them the same as the dirty thirty one about eight or nine of them were the same includin ly on panna um and they saying that the camera Harris is the most competent um come on to and chief that we could have far superior d donal trump and she's so unworthy of that incredible that these people would put their reputations on the .

line lead former C A director, former congressman from california. Kind of an idiot um I can say since I know i'm um hard to believe you're in ca, but he is telling us that harmony is is the most qualified person to be presented yeah yes.

fast peria in every way to don't trump.

But if you anything like reality.

the top is rush information. They just lie and they get away with IT and they treat them like, you know, eminent people.

So you're um on australian whose live in in the states for many, many years.

I think it's Better speak you but you love amErica and I was an american citizen, queens, new york just like Donald m really yes.

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but I what I mean sometimes that people who've lived a lot of places have a clear perspective on this。 If you have a country where nobody believes in leadership, doesn't believe that they're morally justified in what they're doing, doesn't believe they are telling the truth about anything, assumes that their lips are moving, they're lying, you know, how does your country continue? Do you need that trust to have a voluntary system? Yeah democracy.

But but the amErica is the last country that um where there is some sort of freedom and some sort of hope that that you know the people can take back control of their government again and I think that's because there's you know residual feeling among americans because of the revolution because they they are until like Donald trump um and they sort of outlaws in a way um and also because of the constitution. The first of the the second amendment know that protects amErica from the sort of censorship that we've seen descended on europe and australia and new zealand and you know I know from australia that you know people like frogs in boiling manner they don't actually realize what's happened. Particularly since covet covet like giant funder said was A A great boon to the left.

Um SHE saw that very early on and IT allowed a lot of censorship um initially about to save us health because of cover to stop um nausea scientists like jay by charier and money matter I M telling the truth about koba that IT wasn't actually as lethal, everyone said and that mosques made no difference and um and and that the vaccine was not native for Young people and that he was probably bad for them um so all of that censorship that worked so well when everyone was afraid I think gave a Green light to the bad guys in control allowed them to see that wow, we could do that and covered. We can do whatever we like. And that's what's happened in europe and strong an you know england um and in amErica that had we say ish the good thing is that it's sort of theyve tried to do and they have succeeded.

I did the deep dive on the the laptop uh and so what happened there and what happened with covered even memes about geal biden with being censored but because of alon mask um because of the twitter files and because enough americans have worked up and I just um I don't know in their DNA they despise overlords. So are they're rejecting IT and I think that's what this election is about. You've got the until controllable donal trump um versus just another cyber of the blob.

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What happened you in twenty twenty wouldn't impossible now with that .

with an open x no.

So I do think elan buying twitter is was a pivotal event in american history.

And I still didn't understand why he did .

you think he did that?

I I kind of think IT was A A mistake in a way he sort of said that he sort of got he was a spurred moment, wim. And then if he could have got out of IT, he probably would have it's been a terrible burden for him and he's now the target of um so much a sort of law fare and deep state interference and look, california just stop him from being able to said of some these rockers I mean, he's such a genius he he you know nascent ated him to rescue our astronauts that should have been a huge scandal that they had two astronauts up there just deponed and they couldn't get them back. E on the only person who could get them back and just had a rocket um come back to earth and then I met never had happened before you know land back in the the the launcher whatever IT is but I mean he's just brilliant and so they're trying to hubble him um he's hard to hobble but I think his public enemy .

number one next to I mean as long as x is open, as long as you have truth telling, a free speech at scale like that, it's pretty hard to turn your country to the letters. An.

yes.

So can they. I mean, do you think the people, you know, the john brands of the world, the brock obama, is the world, people who do want to make IT stalinist? Do people like that allow x to stay open.

will see what they've done, which is clever, is that only half the country is sort of has been red pilled and understands what's going on. And the other half of the country, which is the well educated part of the country that leaves in washroom and um you know new york and uh sandwich es go in places and earn lots of money and think of themselves as being prior.

What what's happened is that they've been pete against these troubled dites um of the right you know the ultra mega, the semi fascist is joe biden called trump supporters. And so joe biden did a very good job of dividing americans against each other. And there really is now just a an accepted view of half of amErica as that they fat, that they morally inferior. That really would be Better off without them.

They're morally inferior .

hundred percent.

So abstains clients are calling other people morally inferior. Exactly a credible do you know any of them, any of the people who you're describing?

I live among them. I mean, I live in manhattan, so I mean, I see them. I guess i'm not great friends with them, but they they I guess they not our readers really they know necessarily new york post.

So is your sense that they have they have no idea what's actually happening? No, they really didn't think of biden head dementia before that debate. Well, they really thought the copied vx stopped COVID.

Yeah, I I do think that these people, you know, they are so ignorant. And I if you see IT win, like mathew dits interviewing jd events, I think he genuinely thought to herself, what's a few apartment complex as a handful of apartment complex as being taken over by venezia and gangs of illegal migrants? Big deal. I mean, she's that's the way they think. It's not that they are making IT up, just that they live in this bubble because they didn't really know that there was an illegal migrant on going on because the new .

york times washing person never told them and should be I kind yeah.

it's creeping around I mean, in new york it's very hard to ignore IT now in new york. But the clever thing they do about that is they they migrants, they just call migrants. So that IT looks like Donald trump is anti immigration, which is not he is, what is his anti illegal immigration? And when you have ten fifty million, maybe more illegal migrants that you haven't voted as as clinton, just let the canada at the back the other day come in to rape and murder and village and take over apartment complexes in aura colorado.

Um I mean that's a huge problem and that's something that the new york times, the machine post, kept from their readers so they um so so wild conservatives or trump supporters, we know everything. We know reality because we know the real reality via ex and and sort of fringe conservative publications like the new york post, but we also know their reality because it's forced on us. We have to live in their reality.

Um I mean maybe not in northern maine, but certainly if you live in new york L A or anywhere i'm chicago you know you you are aware of the the contempt um with which these people hold uh conservatives and trust supporters and um and they don't they live in their bubble. They're not aware of reality like the migrant invasion. They're not really probably aware of joy by density because because you know when those videos are shown endlessly on hanney, for instance, of joy bad and bumbling around getting lost on a stage, all those things falling upstairs, they don't really see those.

And they were they were trained into thinking that anyone who shows those it's it's false, sits what was that fake where they had like cheap, cheap fax. Yeah, cheap fax. So there's so nave and so propaganda, ed, but the journalist themselves and you see the CNN panels now where this kentucky republican called Scott jennings goes on and um kind of red pills them and they're all just astounded that he's telling them just these basic things that any Normal .

in their country but they have no sense of IT because they're in newton .

master Martin veneer, whatever and they only consume the media .

that propaganda es them keep them in the the parents they are totally out of touch the test exactly living in above yeah nothing .

affects some but so why wouldn't .

I mean a fair country forth marth rattles to live in an m thirteen controlled housing project for a few years .

probably will soon I mean that's what's going the effect of this invasion is every single part of amErica eventually um is going to .

be with the data in for for the record iled a filled of african immigrants have filled the decision filled oh absolutely .

and .

immediately falling apart, displacing the people who are born there oh yeah landlords are paid to give preference to non citizens from africa over american citizen in housing. Not just public housing but just in any housing and in the state. Yeah and that's true in in real places around the country. The countries is the worst thing is ever happened in united states, including the civil AR. And people are of ignoring.

yet spring fill are high. That was the genius of donor trust eating the cats, they eating the pets, I mean, and IT became names and and you know, the fact check ker at new times, what should you post? Just very angry with him for? I'm telling lies. And they went searching for cats that were asian and claims they went on.

But the brilliance of that one line was that just brought the focus on spring foo ano in other towns, spring filter high on other towns like IT that have been inundated ded secretly in the dead of night with plain lords of illegal migrants brought from the border like we tracked them into west chester. Um we are pretty much the only media that were there at three in the morning at westchester airport watching these plane loads of illegals arrive and get put into buses that had their names blanked out and just drive enough to the tristate area. I dropped off IT your truck stops on the new jersey turnpike and taken away by god knows who um and that was happening that was the summer of twenty one. And that was happening all over the country and has been mayorkas orchestrated this amazing kind of infiltration of every corner of the country. You can always see him with a map looking at like great areas .

and I literally facilitating the movement of human beings um through the daring gap up through that amErica in the united states, amErica himself doing that um .

flying them in as well like from of course. So now they told you, you can't say that they are illegal migrants. Do you get fact chick death? Um they are illegal, but it's just that they've been given this humAnitary arian parole that makes them um they can't be deported so they still illegal, but they're in this sort of near the world that the biden administration is created so they can pretend that the illegal migration invasion is sort of slowed down total .

destruction of the country. It's hard to even think about IT. It's so distressing. Was such a nice place. So how okay. So joe biden were right in the midst of this, so it's hard to get perspective on biden.

And he's kind of fAllen out the headlines because the party decided that he was no longer useful and they replaced him. But how will history understand biden? Do you think?

Well, I hope that the mythology that joe biden built for himself over fifty years is completely punched. Um he did have, like several of these t historians used to come to the White house all the time and whisper, wait, nothing in easy and telling me was the second coming of F D. A. So they .

whatever happened to there was a kid from new Kitty's manage used to be the editor of news week, particularly anxious little toy .

from what his name tennesee.

Yes, he's in a piss open. And I know that. I remember that because I am too awful little creepy guy.

Yeah, he's one of them.

But so here but that's exactly right. And he was a journalist. yes. Yes, do you think of me? Just just possible quick. Do you think when someone like that shows up to tell you biden effectively an inactive invalid, you know, you are practices your churches. Like, what do you think they believe that?

no. But I mean, what access they have, they they just almost getting you see them on M S N B C. They are just giddy with their own self importance because who gets invited like eight times to the White house? I think they'd go into his residence and he just loves that. Like, tell me more about myself. How sequence?

I don't know. I been invited more than eight times. The White house. I've never kissed anybody. Y's as I understand impulse .

until no.

But I know I feel like a pretty moderate, sensible person. But I I don't know. I an adult man, I don't want to, but you .

don't.

That's do you think discuss .

that you ve got children.

What do they think of you as you're telling joe biden, he's impressive. Like a how does your family respect you if you talk like that? I don't I I don't get .

IT but they probably .

did what I think is .

probably right yeah sorry, it's fascinating. They they grow those those historians but um I I think I think ultimately that there is enough you know the republicans even though they are great job .

that yeah tiny little .

man in statue spirit .

yeah it's just a perfect and is interesting I remember I knew him sort of because I think we're born the same year in one hundred and sixty nine and pretty sure and remember in the nineties being at some event, some party tina brow's house in new york and he was there and he was like the editor of news week and I remember thinking, wow, that's a pretty amazing job for a man is not even thirty. He maybe maybe thirty and and then I realize over time getting to I spend more time with him he just all he did was because that is that was like this whole gig was just .

sucking up and it's .

it's not good of a system or that's rewarded.

He would have been in his element to obtain .

a Brown pardi n manhadoes. I know I shouldn't mean I was twenty nine myself. Yeah.

that's my excuse. But news wake is not what I used to be. I mean, I think he provided over the and I think you know they would have put anyone in there. And um IT wasn't as the same prestigious at the time, but that wasn't really prestige.

He presided over the fact of what .

do you mean just the end?

Just the end? OK sorry, i'm not try. And um we had this period, like maybe a year ago when people are telling us the biden was a true statesmen.

Probably great is present. We ever had shoppers to attack. And then in one day, back in june, I became clearer that was all I am like. This guy couldn't even find this way back to his bedroom.

except when he could.

except when he could. Yeah, let me ask you about that. What was that? I mean, do you so we went in one day from, you know, having a listen to morning joe, tell us how brilliant was to morning to admit that he was demented. Was that a set up?

I just think that win policy and tumor and whoever is behind things, decided that he was a liability. Joe biden, because he was not popular, he couldn't win the election. Trump was tranced him in the polls.

So, and he's just repEllent, you know, people got to know him and realized that the mythology of honest joy, middle class joy from scratton all of that was a lie um that he's actually an incredibly pride for post ful like pathological liar I mean the if we saw that with the plagiary m but also just so self grandiose stories he tells all the time about you know say with Nelson mandela like every big historic thing that happened he's in the center of IT he's very much like to walls in that um so people came to see that and see how ridiculous and he was and also the worst I think was time nasty he is and I think you know he's lost that filter in his brain that stops him from loot from publicly losing his temper sure at home he was losing his temper a lot with his know and I think that's partly hunters problem. But um we saw that on stage and you know when he's wagging his finger and smiling about ultramar A I think that's not very american. Americans same to me to be very cordial um general spirit people and I think .

who section for each other.

who section for each other very much so and I think bit that continually to me is one of the striking aspects of amErica is quite different from uh other english speaking countries are being in so um and so so he biden is sort of the opposite of that he really is although he's pitch the sort of mr. America, I think he's very unamerican and otherwise and he um is very admiring of people like Anthony blink and neural files. He's not like that. He's not well educated, but he really admires those state department types who um you are petition and um went to finishing school in switzerland and he does and went to school and yeah Anthony blink will Anthony blink went to school in paris as we .

know right but he finds that .

impressive oh yes.

very in secure sign of a car dealer yeah so easily won by dumb affectations like I mean blinkers .

like the way he dresses who joy botton he remember kid Kelly did this incredibly insightful interview with the Young senator just after he came to washington just after his wife um and um and baby daughter were killed in a car rash that hunter within and was injured um and joy bidens there in his office and he described him as dressing like the great gatsby by like very elaborate very expensive clothes and boasting about his like sex life with his X Y with this for sorry dead wife um saying you know all the guys were jews of we have the best sex and um and then saying wood yeah oh you have to read .

this kd Kelly pace .

it's so illum I I quoted huge chunks of IT in laptop from how it's brilliant and um and then he's talks about all these women are throwing themselves at him and then he does his other boast because he grew up just admiring the Kennedy catholics like him, democrats and he just he tried to recreate the Kennedy compound he used to go to and talk rather mather's vi ard um if you look at his political queries, really modeled that very much on the Kennedy clan and he wanted to have a you know the Kennedy kind of dynasty so his son bow was supposed to be the next generation and sadly he died of brain cancer but um joe biden. I think just in that interview shows who he really is and it's quite a disgusting portrait of himself and he he talks about the Kennedy and he says, rose Kennedy is calling me all the time, inviting me for dinner, but i'm too busy.

H, that's just unbelievable. So that sounds, I mean, you really spend a long time learning about reading, about doing interviews about joe biden. How does your view of him change the more you learned? Well.

I mean, initially I used to like him because I thought because he is a moderate democrats know he's a democrat that I could live with like he's great um and I I went full circle I find him deeply dishonest, deeply flared on I think IT was a terrible father. You do yeah well, you see the .

product yes right for .

and both his children um hunter and actually have proven like the admission drug problems um and I think hunter was a mother less boy. His mother had been killed and joe barton had just got this huge job in washington the opportunity his lifetime, he wasn't gona give that up to stay home with these two mother as boys. So he went, he said, I I was going to but then people taught me out of IT, huh? And so he goes to say, and he gets immediately adopted by all these grand poo bars of the party because their wives were telling them all this poor everyone, the whole of america, their hot strings were touch by this tragedy of this Young widow.

I was a terrible tragedy, but joy by an exploit IT in the most cynical fashion um just that photograph which when I thought so I was like everyone else like i've just felt desperately sad for these two little bandage boys in the hospital bed in the foreground of the photographs um where joy bidens being sworn in a senate ship by the bedside just after his wife been killed and you think yourself wow but then when you see other photographs pulled back and you see that hospital room is full of just dozens and dozens of photographers and reporters and everything, and the kids look quite distressed as they would be and why did he do IT there? Why didn't he get swing in in the corner or outside, you know, or somewhere else? He did that because he knew the power of that image.

And IT was brilliant and he used to every campaign since. But it's cynical. And to be able to have the presence of mine to do that tells you a little bit about how ruthless he is and how excited on power he is. And I think that was um you know I think that was the experience for hunter and you see them in a lot of the private um you know which I read I didn't publish a lot of IT but they the musings um he's quite a good writer. He's highly intelligent. I think more intelligent than his father at least he's not I think joy bidens probably literate I mean you from the little bit of writing that he's done on the laptop, he doesn't spelt he he's got that tradeMarks spelling problems that um you know boys who never learned to RAID have and so I think joys probably clever than we think but he just easily like you can't read very .

well kick come back really yeah I think that's .

why he has such a problem with like the worst thing you could do to joy biden is pretty in front of the teleprompter and I think, yes, i'm in cognitively he slipped but also I don't think he like you notice when he comes across words that are long or complicated or like people surnames that you can't guess he key just can't do them so and you know I mean i've done a lot of stories about um photos.

You know the failure of kids to be taught from especially boys, specially clever boys who um they have just like zero or something. It's really that a third boys will never learn to read um by that look and say that guessing way they have to be taught to sound things out by phoenix. And I think when enjoy bad was being taught by the nuns, they just didn't teach him that way.

So a lot of boys of his era slipped under the cracks. And so and I think he was clever enough to be able to get by by memory and cunning. He he's renowne is not really reading his briefs. You know, he he can be he can be told something and remember IT but you look at him in in the senate hearings, he just fly .

by the beach to in xi mails on hundred laptop pat come .

across um he come across this is not a lot of him is just a shadow of him he he cares about hunter, but he cares about him is is absent until he's about to announce that he's running for president, then he really cares about hunt. L like where are you? Um we got to get you drugs under control sort of thing and dispatched his brother to go on put hunter in rehab and the reason hunter was so angry in April of twenty and fifty when he abandoned his laptop was because he felt that his family joe, although he doesn't say IT to joe, um throw him under the bus and he blames joe staff but IT was really jar because there was a morning doubt column that hunt was particularly enraged about um which was basically saying that joy bines running for president but the big albatross around his neck is he loses us on hunter who's a drug added and hunter was furious and that's where those text and emails come out that he says, you know i've supported his family for yes i've given a half my salary to dad you know how day you will treat me with such a disrespect he was absolutely furious and his relationship with his father is so complicated because he adored him as his only parent um after his mother was killed but he also is like he's just his hostage because there is no mother know somebody who loves you more than um then he like that they love joy that loves the child and so he was sort of A A victim of joy bidens selfishness and wings and the entire bite and family so jorge sister vw moved in detect care of the boys after uh joy left joy said he was commuting every night from um from washington on m track but i'm told that's not really true that um when he did come home that the boys already in bed so maybe had breakfast with them the next morning he wasn't a present dad but val was fantastic his sister i'm really sacrificed her.

First marriage um to look after those boys and um hunter regards her as his real mother um and then joe bidden comes into the picture a few years later and SHE sort of the main step mother that um that hang doesn't get on with boy got on with her because boy was the perfect child golden head boy but hunter was like a little bit idea H D A little bit rebellious, bit naughty and used to get in trouble and I think that didn't work with jail and so he and jail had a difficult relationship um and sir you know I I think hunter love his father but also deeply resented him and resented the fact that joe put bow the older brother by one year and one day on a pedestal and saw boys being in the the inheritor of the biden dyna sty political dynasty and hunter was sort of the spare that was supposed to go out and earn the money that would allow joe and bow to be clean politically so hunter wanted to be an artist or novell's and he's quite a good artist and quite a good russia. But he wasn't allowed to he had to go and work for his father's you know donors in delivery and this really boring job in credit card company and B N I for any hugely inflated salary that allowed him to pay off his um yellow law school and Georgetown university face but also both university station so that joy he paid off .

his brothers to do yeah .

so joy never had to put his hand in his pocket for anything and that's where people miss the point of how do I benefit?

That's amazing, honey and paid bows college .

vision he complains about IT to his arms while he said, dad didn't pay a penny.

That's amazing. Yeah so here's every right to be resent ful about that.

I think I think .

yeah so the Youngest son's the workforce paying for the pretty lah um lifestyles and particle careers of his older .

brother and dad exactly. And john knew that and he knew that hunter had a at least a substance abuse problem that was evident and he was arrested at eighteen for cocaine right and let off um so he had this problem. Joy knew about IT and yet john allowed him to a take, you know, millions of dollars in an unaccountable cash, which was to a drug edit, just an impossible temptation. Hunter actually leave says that in his meanwhile, I, he says the brazen a money when I was coming in eighty three thousand dollars a month, that just sent him into a complete spin fill off the wagon. And um what kind of a loving far that does that to his addicted son?

IT? My read done IT is that joe does love his son. But in the kind of c yes, infantile exactly. Nurses take way where it's all about reflect a gory of his sn, but not really about the sun yeah.

and that's hard. If you're a sensitive person.

it's awful. It's absolutely awful. And hundred was a legit drug acx. Yeah, tormented by the desire to be .

high the time.

Yeah and so what role is jail doctor, party doctor, jail play and all this?

Well, SHE seemed actually in one way I thought he was a bad wife, like, unlike Nancy reagan, who was always at her husband side to make sure that he didn't get humiliated. I couldn't understand why jill biden wasn't there with joe when he was getting lost on stage and just looking like a fool on camera. SHE should have been more present, but he wasn't in a lot of ways because he was out on the campaign trail herself.

SHE was taking IT force one to paris and you know just doing her own campaigning, supposedly campaigning but he loved IT. I think he loves the glory. She's got this um factor working for her um Anthony come first name he said sort of gay one of those sort of man that attached es .

themselves to tay I think he's .

pretty gay and he's but his his joes, everything he calls him her work husband and SHE he's made himself in able to her sound totally .

healthy Normal. Yeah your wife takes off for paris and are for some of some gained while you're stumbling around.

lost on stage at least you know she's not having an affair with him no, no.

of course. right. Every palace has unix.

I think he's very powerful behind the scenes. Yeah and he was involved at the very end um when joe was trying to clean on to power he and hunter with her in the inner sect tum. So and I think maybe he's part of the reason why joe is sir like such an L G B T champion you know partly to sort of curry favor with his wife's favorite person.

Sounds like the sickest environment, imagining able like there's no healthy relationships, there's no honesty, there's no peace. I mean, that's what you're describing.

yes. Seems terribly unhealthy, terribly diffunce tional family, which is ironic, because jars always created this mythology that so many people have bought that they have got the closest family in the world, that he's the best father in the world um and it's just this tragic you know circumstance that hunter has a DNA pretty ous position to be a drag nothing to do with his upbringing and yet Donald trump is treated like a complete monster and all the everything i've observed about his interactions with his adult children is positive and his grandchildren like they adored him in a genuine way, not in a fearful um fake way. They really have a good relationship and I don't think people see that as much. I think the campaign trying to show a few videos of the grand kids, but and IT just seems very natural to me, his interaction with .

his family. Did you, in all of you, are reporting on by detect core beliefs.

no other than power for himself, self grandad's power? No no core beliefs. He he was adopted early on by the people who gave him his core beliefs and that was that he was basically a warmongers I mean he was no enlarging nature in being jealous about um lava wanted to bomb glave a .

and we did. I'm really glad. Did I was, I think, very important to kills people in the soa. Any idea why we did that thirty years later? Does anyone even remember that?

No, I idea. I bought the lives actually, at the time.

I never understood what they were. I was so confused by that, something about sloppy on meos, of which being bad. Remember George A B on, but I have always seeing his name.

But I member seeking, i'm sure, is bad. We know for nor whatever. But why was he bad? And why should I care? No one ever explained what was that. Do know? No.

I don't know. I bought the same lies that everyone else did back. I believed you .

can kill this time of .

Christians over there. Yes, yeah, no. I was been a dreadful disaster, and still is for that part of the world and enjoy.

Biden just wanted to bomb them. He was, he was way out there and he'd go on N, B, C, and so and say, just bomb them all. That was what he was like. And I don't think IT was. I mean, he he was just taking his marching orders and or not as marching he's a agenda and then he just like with everything goes too far. Um but you know he's been at the center of a lot of bad policy, foreign policy for amErica from the beginning and from for a guy that's not very is ignorant really about the world. He's now put up as some sort of foreign policy grow back in two thousand. I think that was um he was instrumental in getting the world trade organization to accept china, which was detrimental to amErica holiday america's uh manufacturing in middle school um and that was something during the clinton administration that bill clinton didn't want um republicans wanted IT but the democrats and joy boyden had to twist the arms of his democrat colleagues in the senate to get IT over the line just and convince on bill clinton .

so what is bush you signed .

IT eventually two thousand yeah but that was done in the clinching ease and and IT was the the the democrats senate that were instrument in having if they had stuck to their guns that would never have been signed and china would never been.

But I never realized .

until I look back at, well, interest so and because I don't think my thesis he doesn't have any core beliefs, then that must have been his sort of marching orders or not if you got marching order is but the suggestions that the people who who he had his career um gave to him was we want china in the W. T. O.

So he just goes about making that happen. And he was very persuasive. I mean, he was very powerful in the senate for many years, which is a terrible environment ment of the senate.

Yeah, I mean, he's there are a lot of people like that. Stone, the senate know a lot.

He was best friends with micro.

I don't think his politics in which we are identical. I mean, mmc will be, I think maco slightly creepy even than bite in person.

But is that possible?

I think much party aren't creepy. yeah. And even weirder personal life.

Yes, yeah. no. He looks like a snapping turtle. Not his fault.

Now, I just liked him. He he gave beautiful speeches.

He's very smart, beauty smart. So there's no doubt about IT and he's been great on a bunch of topics, but he's voting for common Harris, no doubt in my mind yeah that's interesting that he was close to my canal ah so you didn't really see any redeem qualities to budd's career.

No, no. I think if he'd never exist, well, they would have found someone else that's the problem um I think he was the perfect safer because he came in so Young to the senate um you know twenty nine when he accidentally won against an old time republican in delay in fact I called his name was called j box and the ironies that when hunter biden went um and was convicted in that gun trial gn felony trial in june in delay, he IT was done in the Caleb j box courthouse .

so box was a huge uh you know he .

was a huge uh influence in delaware so IT was really a David versus goliath um Operation that joe biden just flute by few thousand votes and the story that's told um is that he did that because the teams this union um staged a strike of the trucks that we're taking the newspaper out with the with bugs the final weekend box had this huge double page add on slamming joy for some sort of corrupt dealings and and that was gona damage john maybe would have swing the election but the team has successfully stocked those trucks with those newspapers going out it's .

equivalent of the twenty twenty same thing right so that's the one thousand nine seventy two version .

of taking the .

laptop story of social media is an amazing isn't so do you ever fear, you know, when you and I are gone and our generation is gone. That our great grandchildren will be reading stories about what a hero so bidness in the history book.

They probably will, because especially, I think, part of the quid protocol, him going quietly, the camera was that he gets the presidential library. And you can imagine the sk, fancy that's gonna go on in that library about what a great man he is. So I think that but I think there's enough on the public record, particularly James comer um who gets trashed a lot because he didn't do enough.

They say in the impeachment, gary, but he actually managed to put on the record a lot of evidence to show that joe biden was involved in the family's influence pedling scheme that this is where the money went um that there were two two hundred fifty thousand dollar checks, ten percent of a couple of deals that jim bayden and hunt were involved in that went to enjoy biden that were the check memo says IT was alone repayment and that's what joe biden maintains and James common was never able to prove othe wise so we have to give joe biden the benefit of the doubt there. However, IT is part of a pattern of money, the money trial and how IT gets to the biden family. Ten percent of the big guy. You know, that deal never happened. But I think IT probably reflected the way hunters um sort of businesses worked that joy would get something joe hunter was certainly paying for some of joy y's madness and up key is delivery state enjoy .

and the state is not too strong I was a former depones enormous house .

that on grow up yes with .

yeah and then I know from having friends and relatives in that tag Green will deliver, are that he never paid any. The workman, you know, stiff the fire would die in the landscaper and the cater r and you know, they're always aften for money, really screwed. The little guy consistently in was famous in the abroad for doing that.

It's incredible isn't that is what is incredible. IT is very low, the lowest. But how do I was wonder, how do you afford to live in a twelve thousands grave t house on a senate salary?

He will tell you he was just lucky with real estate. And so all the way through became. He's just the dinner, you know like he died by his houses and for an inflated cost and hit buy houses for lower cost. Same with hunter, hunter board places something and um just that was just a magic carpet ride for him whatever transaction that he ended into he was looked after. And so the house he has now he built from scratch, custom built beautiful tradesmen from philadelphy that built the best matches and it's you remember when during the twenty twenty election he was always mocked for being in his basement well and you saw the basement little bit that basement is the most magnificent hand uh custom built wood panel mahogany um grand study library with books everywhere um pieces of historic furniture that he's um bought from the White house um you know he he you could hear the honky gay outside in the leg because it's a like front property he is to call the lights but I think people tease tom about IT because it's a very small man made pond really so now he he doesn't call IT a like any works or not it's not like it's just a pond um but gorgeous house and it's got a swimming hole in a boat jet and a cottage for the the .

secret service to stay in it's all what a poser a hello man absolutely with massive social anxiety.

That's the pathetic thing that is quite it's almost, almost sad. But I mean, he's done so much damage to so many people. I can't feel sorry for him.

I ve have resolved opinions and the only people, america, who has the right to those opinions because you you know more than anybody about.

well, hunt a probably has more in being a sun. You sort of brain washed .

in a travel with one parent course, desperately to matter the parents that what happens to hunter.

i'll get pardon.

Okay, so he's being convicted .

gun cellinis in ga. And also he pleaded guilty on the first of the trial in california and in september to warm these various tax felonies all of which will certainly the tax fellini should Carry a jail sentence um but uh he is to be sentenced on both of those after the election and even though I badness that all know I would never part in my son he said that once and he didn't really say IT very vigorously.

He was just asked in a um I think A C B S interview and he just he said we use part on SONY goes no that was IT after that the White house has been vigors at all know he the present said he won't do what he won't do IT have no doubt that he's going to party hunter, um you know, as anybody would, i'm really that was your son. Would you want him to go to jail? So like part .

my son in the second.

of course everybody would. And and, and therefore job d move. Get away. IT is only surviving son.

How can you blame him? If anyone criticizes IT, they'll be called cruel and heartless. Sorry, of course.

So joe biden, gouda, get away with, I mean, probably not ferny will he get away with that but for the here now he's getting away with that.

Yeah but I think his reputation has been damaged and now people know uh, well the evidence is there for people to know the truth about joy by an any honest history in is going to include um the fact that he really sold out the country and you you can look at his presidency in his attitude towards china and how he and a lot of the trump era get tough on china policies um some of them inexplicable like for instance even Christopher that cr the F B I director has complained usually about um the fact that biden dismantle this very good program in the universities that was supposed to stop uh china stealing american intellectual property spying on on our academic institutions yeah yeah .

and I mean there have been academic .

that have gone to jail through this program and being busted um and chinese spirits are being busted and for some unknown reason those nothing positive for amErica about dismantling IT joby and quietly dismantle that the only way .

that I was defensive.

not offensive.

We are trying to protect ourselves from the five percent of research.

And i've asked why, what possible justification? I said all was racist. Because I was targeting .

chinese really is racist. Yeah.

just like calling the uhm virus saying that came from china was racist. IT wasn't. But that's what they tag donnot trump with just to .

IT without getting again to sidetrack. But really quickly IT seems like that virus was created in the wuhan lab in part with U. S. Tax dollars.

Oh yes, I mean, I think I don't know that IT was deliberately released at all. I think that was an accident but hundred percent um aca health alliance um run by this absolute repEllent man englishman could Peter um he uh ran this weird little company that has an office in manhattan um but really does no research of its own.

But IT gets these massive grants from darpa, which is um basically an ARM of the department of defense um and that's what I lived on and and what he did um ego health lines with the help of tony foul, he was bypass the obama era mitra on gain function that Franklin stan research on viruses and am he funded basic with this dopper money uh U S tax paying money through to the uh and institute of health where he co authored some papers even though he's an idiot but he co authored papers with the bad lady there, the scientist and um you know all these fantastic whistle blowers who've come out on on from the scientific community have in pointed that um the work that they did on the viruses where they human used humanized mice to make the virus more lethal to humans that was all occurring in that lab and IT was a very low um security biolab unlike if that kind of research is done in amErica would have been done in a higher level even though they still the risk of leakage but in that rule hand lab. Of course I was gonna lake and so IT was just a disaster wedding to happen. And IT was done because Anthony foudy was so and tagish to the group of scientists who went sounding the alarm about gain of function research.

And he felt he loves any functional research. He thought that was gonna him immoral, that they were gonna find the vaccine for the oasis right and um sorry and he you know there are photographs of him with desert. There are emails that have been uncovered of him with desert you know they were IT was obviously a subservient relationship on desk pot.

He worships fouche, but fouche was friendly with him and fat. He says he doesn't know anything about these dark um grants but someone who were who who used to work with that with does IT and equal health alliances and left sort of under a cloud he's become a form of a whistle bar, right? I don't i've talked to a little bit. I'm not hundred percent i'm certain of how valid is. But this is what he says. He says that the C I A um approached Peter desk um about sort of helping them because he was so emitted with the chinese and the world hand lab apparently with some sort of military um research was going on there so you could understand the C I wants to have some sort of eyes and ears and desert were useful and uh so while this whistle low, I didn't personally see the C I A approach desert Austin battled a couple of times and um and and the whistle law believes that desk did end up working sort of as an informant for the C I M.

Amazing um and i'm sure will never know you know the truth about a lot of what you just said but what we do know I think conclusively is that I came from that lab IT was loose on the world and is the by demonstration never seize telling us millions died yes so whether IT was intentional or I would think agree with you, probably more likely was an accident or other way that happened because of something that china did. How come the by administrations never pushed china to pay reparations to the united states or any other country for what that virus did?

Well I can only assume it's because they know that they are complicated. And as long as that I push china too hard, present g is not gonna. Well, hey, you know, IT, was your painting gon money that that paid for this research? And I was your Peter desire, friend of Anthony file, who encourage the bad lady to do that particular research.

So um I think it's mutually a short destruction like they both just don't say anything and IT goes away. And i'm sure that in part why Donald trumps, uh, administration didn't really push that hard and because it's the same people in charge at the C I A and the state department and the pentagon who know that they didn't deliberately do this. But IT was there um you know competent slopping.

Ss whatever um recklessness that unleashed the fires on the world and amErica just want to have its fingerprints on IT. And I think the fingerprints are there. We've seen enough already has um you know in congress there appears some good on politicians who have i've pushed on this and there's been enough if A Y material, let's come out to share that they were certainly health was being funded so you IT doesn't take much to follow the trial.

Plus Peter desk is so protected, I mean where he lives sort of in the woods um just outside of new york. Um any any reporters who go there immediately, the cops they like the they're protecting him. He's been .

um really wish I how do I .

get yeah no you won't get that you the enemy so okay.

since you have my last question, but since you have got such an amazing recall, a remarkable memory for details and people I believe known very few people with recall occurs. Um I just one more thread. I'd like to short time into a bow.

And that's the whistle blowers who did business with a biden. What happened to them? So that would be some rebel in ski and devour cher.

Yeah I I mean, they're really the heroes of this story. Um tiny bobinski was working with hunter on the blast the big china deal that ended up falling over uh hunter and his uncle jim biden uh got I think about twenty million dollars out of that deal after they sort of shafted uh blinkin their other partners um basically for doing nothing but um bubble in ski sort of a self made men and so he's quite um protected like he has his own money.

He doesn't owe anything to anybody. Um he is a former um you know naval nuclear rocket instructor, nuclear subway instructor. Um he's a pretty tough guy and he knows a lot of tough guys who protect him.

So I think he's. Been OK devan arch on the other hand, he um he's a lovely man and i've got to know both of them and i've called them friends. Now they've become friends.

I've this beautiful brand. I never knew each other before and now they're just rocked solid friends because they've suffer both of them at the hands of the idens. I'm Stephen more so because he was um hunt ter's best friend. They met a yellow hunter called in my best friend in business.

They went into business together um devin did all the work um and hunter was sort of brought in as as the sort of the best name um in the end, they did a deal that went sour um and the southern district of new york charged David with fraud over that deal. Hunter was deemed not to have been involved even though hunter was, I think, vice chairman of the company. He had earned two hundred thousand dollars.

Devon had lost millions of dollars. Devin was the one who ended up basically are going to trial. Um he was convicted and then acquitted or is the the conviction was overturned by the judge? He found that he was honest and found that he'd been unjustly treated and then that was overturned.

So so he's been going through, I think about eight years of sheer hill where he hasn't been up to earn money. Um he has a close family so that supported him. He's remained remarkably optimistic um but he's facing jail. I mean he could go to jail um like I think for a year in one day and that's while hunter biden has escaped sort free um with everything that hunters done there's always been this invisible hand that reached out and and rescued him from peril while all around him all his business partners went broke, went to jail, die, disappeared hunter just dislike the character in a you know a disaster movie where all the cards blow up and this one man runs through the flames and you know he's like he's the runner of you do you get the sense .

he's not going to escape though? I mean, he must be in rough, have and seen in a while while, but he must be in rough shape, can put yourself through that kind of life without destroying a lot of .

your brain yeah, I would say, I guess I mean, look, I wish nothing but the best for him i've actually come to um I never met him. I would have loved to interview. I still would love to interview him. But I I know people around him, I mean all the people around him with fantastic people like he's friends. I've met quite a few of his friends um you know Kevin mars, the everyone hates give more but he's not a bad guy the hollywood lawyer that his sugar brother he is funded like his lifestyle pedal is arrested you know all these people they have a good heart because they get sucked in by hunter because hunter does have that tragic quality um women especially rally around him and want to mother him and protect him and forgive him all sorts of atrocities um and I think men is the same thing. They everyone you talk to say he's just good hunter is so charming and lovable and .

while not study .

no is smart.

sad so you count him a victim of his .

fathers oh yes, hundred percent I mean he a victimizer as well as all victims like that are um I mean he's victimize tell you know I said in the courtroom and delivery and watched um his two exes a highly by who was his brother boys we are that he took up with her torto a with him put on to crack um and she's she's you know pretty broken his x wife Cathy who I never met her I mean I saw in court he looked like a broken woman really very different from the Catherine that was in all the photographs he came across in the laptop in all the writing kind of gave very loving like SHE adored him to absolutely adored him. Forgave so much and then the business that crept in, I mean, I was nothing like that what I would be like SHE was still quite kind towards him um you know he did terrible things so betrayed her in the worst way but SHE and damaged her inside but but SHE maintained a sort of civil relationship with him, I guess for the sake of their daughters and just a good mother um so he he had a neck for finding these great women that looked after him so gave him and destroyed .

in the end at all destroyed .

although helly is remarried. So I think she's a survivor. She's remarry a rich guy in ohio, apparently. So he was he was looking quite happy at a huge rock on her hands lor, I think you'll be okay.

Just one, at least one person. I come on. Happy when to find.

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one of things we wanted to do when we left conventional media, television news was not simply to augment or add to traditional media but to replace IT because it's so it's so deceitful, it's so repEllent that I need be replaced and we want to be part of what replaces T. C. M.

And so to that end, we produced a lot of news content from a bunch of different countries, but we're also producing long form content document aries. We have thirteen separate documentaries coming out between now and right after the elections that would include more episodes of art of the surge, which is the account, almost live account, of what it's like behind the scenes on the trump campaign. Mine in the sand, James.

So keep sly. This documentary on the immigration crisis, where he rides a train with a drug, Carter tells north as the smuggled human beings into the united states and all the president's men, which is the six part series by our friend jan stone on the deep states war on Donald trump and the people around dot trump. All of that dropping in the next month and all of IT available on t. Cn for the turtle croson doc com to see thirteen new documentaries in the next month and many more to come after the tucker cross in dot com is where all of IT lives and will live .

going forward.