Bonus: JD Vance with Megyn Kelly, on Democrats' Anti-Family Policies and Media Lies
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I hope to see you there today. I'm here to bring a conversation ahead on friday over on the Megan Kelly show with the G O, P, S. Vice presidential nominee, senator J D bans.

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Every gan Kelly welcome in the Megan killy show as the democratic s party ousts president joe biden and elevates vice president later, is to the top of its ticket without a single vote. Having been cast for her in that role in just a matter of ours, the media suddenly turning all of its focus seemingly to senator J. D.

bds. Trumps running made donor trumps, uh, number two, coming under intense criticism for comments he made three years ago about, quote, child dest, cat ladies, because this is what americans who can't pay their mortgage care about. Center advance is here to respond this controversy.

But first we want to start by walking you through how, all again, going back now to july twenty twenty one, mister franca just launched his campaign for senator are in the great stay of ohio and he gave a speech to a conservative organization called the intercollegiate studies institute. This was A B essentially about declining birth rates. And they're bad, by the way, in the united states, there are a seventeen year low, and they continue to go the wrong direction.

And what that means for the future of this country. Mister bean's talked about how he wanted to see the republican party as a pro family party. He discuss the importance of children and brought up the fact that many top democratic leaders don't have any kids questioning what kind of a message the party is a whole is sending to Young americans. Take a listen.

I want to take game at the left, specifically the childless left, because I think the rejection of the american family is perhaps the most pernicious ous, the most evil thing that the left has done in this country. Consider all of the next gen of the democrats party. The named are obvious.

They are well known people, commute heroes. Mayor pete boot gage is now the secretary. Transportation co. Booker aoc. Think all these people, they're different that come from different walks of life, different parts of the country.

What is the one thing that unites every single one of them? Not a single one of them has any children? Look, a lot of people are unable to have kids for very complicated and important reasons.

There are people, of course, for biological reasons, medical reasons, they can have children. The target of these reMarks is not them. It's important to point that out. IT is one thing to recognize that there are people don't have children. It's one thing to recognize their people don't have children through no fault or choice of their own.

But it's something else to build a political movement invested theoretically in the future of this country or not a single of them actually has any physical commitment to the future of this country. Kids are the ultimate way that we find healthy people list and self meaning in life. We should treat this as a crisis in this country, and we should sign the signal to the culture that we are the profiling party, and we're going to back them up with .

real policy now, because mister vans named names in his speech caused some headlines at the time up, mainly because vice president Harris is not a mother of her own biological children, but she's a step mother. At the same time, secretary booty gedge did not have any children, but about a month later, he adopted twin babies. So a few days after those reMarks, backing twenty twenty one, mister vance went on talker carles and show on fox to address some of the blow back. And that's when he made the comments about the child is cat lady's watch.

We are effectively run in this country via the democrats, via our corporate oligarch, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they made. And so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too. And it's just a basic fact. You look, come with heroes, peat boot aoc. The entire future of the democrats is controlled by people without children.

Well, the Harris team, we circulated the comments this week leading democrats and the media, the same media currently rewriting history, telecomm Harris was never the borders are to immediately pile on on to. On tuesday, Hillary clinton shared in on x and sarcastic cally wrote, what a Normal relative guy who certainly doesn't hate women having freedoms, literally.

Ik husband has been accused of repeated sexual assaults, so take a seat maam on wednesday, actress Jennifer instant wait in writing, I truly can't believe this is coming from a potential VP of the united states and urged senate advance to think about his own daughter, hoping that he might never need I, V, F, which he accused mister vance of being against, which has we pointed out yesterday, is not true, and I did not end there. Watch, how dare you? You never had a baby.

Your wife had a baby, you know, who else didn't have? Is George washington the father? Are nation like cella? He raised maths and .

children because .

they invalidate even the idea of women who use I, B, F to get pregnant, or women who don't have children, or women who are step moms, like none of those are valid women to them. Those women don't matter. They're trying to reinforce this message at the only valid version of amErica is the amErica where White women didn't leave the whole because that make me childless. I want to qualify. He is falling into the line of dotal truck.

offending women.

offending minorities.

So if you have stepkids j advancers saying that you should not have as many rights. Everybody else like this is a person, human in the the former president. They want to control women. Jesus did not have children, right?

Me, know. G, O, P, vice presidents of canada, jd, vans, J, D, senator, we'll come back to the show is great to see you to thank you. So jesus didn't have kids. Therefore you are wrong. What are you trying to say?

I guess they're comparing come heroes to jesus. I know that doesn't make a ton of sense to me, Megan, but look, I know the media wants to attack me and wants me to back down on this. Megan, but the simple point that I made is that having children, becoming a father, becoming a mother, mother, I really do think that changes your perspective and is pretty found way.

This is something, of course, we recognize for hundreds of years in this country that human civilization has always recognized. But there's a deeper point here. Uh, Megan, it's not a criticism of people who don't have children. I explicitly said in my reMarks, despite the fact the media has lied about this, but this is not about criticising people who for various reasons didn't have kids. This is about criticising the democratic party for becoming anti family and anti child.

We have to ask ourselves back, and why do we have masking of todgers years after the pandemic did? Why do we have the heroes campaign coming out this very morning began and saying that we should not have the child tax credit, which lowest tax rates for parents of Young children? It's because they have become anti family and anti, and i'm proud to stand up for parents.

And I hope the parents out there recognize that i'm a guy who wants to fight for you. I want to fight for your interest. I want to fight for your stake in the country.

And that is what this is fundamental about the democrats. In the past five, ten years, Megan, they have become anti family. It's built into their policy.

It's built into the way they talk about parents and children, and it's time that we call that out. I don't think we should back down from the begin. I think we should .

be honest about the problem. Here's what's crazy. It's not just senator J. D, vans, republican and running made to Donald m, saying that just recently there was a long peace june tenth, twenty twenty four, in the new york times.

And another one in the new york ker, highlighting a book that's called what are children for on an ambivalence and choice in which the authors, leftists, liberals, got deep into this very problem and chase zed their own side for the reluctance to have children and the messaging to Young women about priorities. It's not just a republican thing. The honest liberals will admit themselves that somehow the democrats are running away from family as one of their previous old core values.

I just give you a couple of excerpts from the york times times piece by these two authors and a saia burg and Rachel wiseman. Again, this is a month ago. They write, for progressives, waiting to have children has become a kind of ethical imperative.

They go on to say the, uh, the success narratives of modern liberal life live little room for having a family. They say this is not just a recipe for unhappiness IT also reflects a deep confusion. And they go on the right.

This follows the question of children ultimately transcend politics in deciding whether to have them. We confront a philosophical chAllenge is life, however imperfect and however chAllenging, however fought, with political disagreement and disaster worth living? So this is not like to go on.

I mean, the new york peace had the similar point. We've seen IT from A O C. We've seen IT from the hard core environmentalists on the left, in particular, urging people not to have children because they don't see a future for the country or the world.

Yeah make and I think it's profoundly weird and dangerous rhetoric because, you know, I think most parents would say professional achievements, whether you're a mom or dad, all that stuff eventually fades away. The thing that you're most proud of is having kids, what your kids do, the relationship that you have with your family. That is what I think brings the most meaning to life is family.

Not all these weird little accomplishments and degrees and everything else, right, is its family. That really brings the most meaning to our lives and make this this comment that I made was actually motivated in part by conversation I had with my wife, where, you know, SHE at the time had two babies, uh, we had yet had a third. And he was talking about how he felt this incredible professional pressure to not have kids because it's set back or professional advancement.

And what a weird society that we've set up, where mom who want to work, the thought that a lot of them were having is, I can have more babies because it's gonna bad for my career. How about we make the workplace more to working moms and working dads so that we can promote a real culture of life if you started your monologue? But can talking about how we have the lowest birth rate in, and basically in our history in this country, what are Young moms and dads are telling us is they don't feel comfortable in the society bringing new life into the world.

That is a catastrophic problem. And it's interesting when I raised this issue about we don't have enough babies, a lot of liberals and a lot of people on the left will say, well, we can just replace american shouldn with immigrants. Well, look, there's nothing against immigrants.

Obviously, I married to the daughter of immigrants. But if your society is not having enough children to replace itself, that is a profoundly dangerous and destabilizing thing. You look across history.

That's a real problem. So I I just think that we have the same. Megan, having kids is good.

Being a parent changes your perspective on the world. That is not a bad thing to stand up for parents. In fact, it's the best thing if our politics isn't standing up for parents. And what the hell we do in Megan.

I am giving you the new yorker again. This is a, the first was from the york time. Here's the new york.

Or how liberals talk about children by j. Cosby, an king. This is from june.

This is a month ago. A and IT ends with the fine. He talks about how this person, j.

Talks about how the messaging from leftists around children is all about their economic value, how much they're going to cost, what kind of a burden they're going to be as supposed to the the goodness they bring into the world in our lives. And the peace ends as follows. We should talk about them as a universal and immutable able.

good. So that's exactly what you did in those reMarks. J, D, and I understood IT completely. And I think even the left, if they're honest, understands that piece of IT.

Here's where I think IT gets controversial and where you know your attacks are coming in from 是 IT was this piece where you then talked about the relative value of voting of A A A person's voting rights？ Uh, parent first to somebody who isn't. Here's the that piece of the original reMarks. And southward.

the democrats are talking about giving the vote to sixteen olds, but let's do this instead. Let's give votes to all children in this country, but let's give control over those votes to the parents of those children.

When you go to the polls in this country as a parents, you should have more power. You should have more than ability to speak your voice in our democratic republic. Then people who don't have kids, let's face the consequences in the reality.

And all the usual suspects will criticize me about this in the coming days. Well, doesn't this mean that non parents don't have as much of a voices? parents? Doesn't this mean that parents get a bigger say? And Howard, democracy functions? Yes, absolutely.

So do you send by that will .

make a look. I am obviously doing a thought experiment there. We're democrats talked about giving children in the right to vote.

And i'm saying, well, if we're going to give children the right to vote, shouldn't we give parents to say over how that vote? You know, in so many other areas of life, we say that parents determine what's best for their children. If we give kids the right to vote, IT might as well be true in that scenario, too.

So I think, again, the point that i'm trying to make your magan is that having kids is a profoundly ad wife altering thing. It's a fundamental good thing. And the democratic party has become very anti child.

And their messaging and in their public bad is what I want to change. And that is what I think the republican party stands for, where the party of parents, where the party of kids and we want to to fight for parents and children to have good lives. I added the same, Megan.

Just one of the things that's been profoundly dishonest about the media. And of course, they're dishonest. They always do this.

They've taken this incredibly out of context. They say that i'm opposed I V F, or that i'm criticizing people who have futility problems. Megan, I said explicit in my reMarks that I wasn't talking about people who couldn't have children.

I was talking about people who has turned anti child into the ethic of their entire party. That's a fundamentally different thing. And it's obvious that the democrats don't want to own up to the fact that their party has become very anti family. If if hollywood celebrity saying, oh, will gd events, what if your daughter suffered fertility problems? Well, first of all, that's disgusting because my daughter is two years old.

And second of all, if he had futility problems, as I said in that speech, I would try everything I could to try to help her, because I believe families and babies are a good thing that the whole point is, if you believe families and babies are a good thing, you should be trying to promote life being. You should try to promote, uh, the the fact that we want to have a good family policy in this country, that is what's so profoundness wrong about where the democrats have gone. And I think we have to fight back against this mega.

And I think a lot of people, you know, that media has been attacking me. And this is how IT goes. We cannot give up an inch on this. We are the pro family party. I think I want to keep us that way.

Just, you know, I and I would like to talk about the I V F because I as for how I understand that you oppose the democrats bill on I V F, like allowing IT all the states, but also providing funding through everybody's insurance for that, which is more controversial, but you supported ted cruise es and Kitty britz bell to protect the I V F, if I if my memory is correct. But I guess i'll just ask you now, how, where do you stand on? I V F.

so I make A, I, I, I know beautiful children. I mean, kids that played at my house with my, my kids that have been brought into the world. drive.

F, of course, we want to make IT easier from bombs and dads to choose life if if, of course, they're a terrible situation where they have futility problems. I think the problem with the democrats approach on this is they're trying to take away religious liberty. And you just go back to commonly hear is Megan.

This is a person, of course, who is try to say that members of the nights of colum should not serve in public office. This is a person who's tried to say the paths c hospitals and Christian high spot hospitals should have to do I V F in the way the democrats want them to do. IT I talking about religious liberty here? I think we have to protect the rights of Christian hospitals to Operate the the way that they want to Operate.

But of course, that's totally consistent with promoting fertility treatments for parents who need them. And I believe in this stuff again, because I believe babies are profound moral good. I think it's form society.

I've seen friends of mine become totally different people when they became fathers. I know my wife would say the same thing about her friends who became mother's. This is a good thing, and I hate that our politics has become super founding anti child. I want to change that, meg and I, to keep on fight on this.

And honestly, so profoundly pro victim. I've never seen, I have seen. But it's yet another instance in which you see all these left wing politicians and people rush to play the victim in response to these comments, right? Like mark Kelly and gabby efforts, we're not including the scope of your remark.

He did not name them, but they've rush, of course, because he's been considered reportedly for her V P, for her running mate. And so they ran out to offer the following comment. And you know, Jennifer anniston was another like taking issue, as I mentioned in the intro, as if your comments were about her personally.

But I have all say something general innocent. You know what? I don't know what your child situation is, but you should read this piece in the new york times. You should read this piece that says, this follows liberal conventional wisdom encourages people to spend their twenties on journeys of personal and professional, self discovery and self a film.

Children are treated as a bonus round, something to get to only after completing a long list of achievements, getting a degree, forging a satisfying and well establish career, buying house, cultivating the ideal romantic partnership, and making the point that this is an empty life, that without the ultimate goal of children, you are not the right as follows. You are having children remains the most basic and accessible way for most of us to confirm the value of our lives, that of others. And if you realize that too late, you might be feeling Better.

You might bind yourself in a situation where you have no choice but I V F, because your most ruthful childbearing years of past you, it's a choice every woman has to make. It's not anybody else is bought if you choose to pursue career and find yourself in that situation as Frankly, I did, but I got lucky and I V F worked for me. Um okay, so in the event I want to go back because gabby gifts and mark keller are taking aim at you saying as well gabby gifts, of course um was was shot in a terrible mask shooting incident which he was the target several years ago.

She's married to mark Kelly, former astronaut, now senator SHE writes the president. Common herr's is a proud mom of two remarkable step children. And so in my captain marceline, I were trying to have a baby through I, V, F. Before I was shot and that dream was stolen, for us to suggest we are somehow lesser is disGraceful. How do you respond that?

Well, of course, first of all, people here is a, you know, I don't know her family situation. I've read the media that he is got two step kids. I wish her step children, and commonly here is, in her whole family, the very best.

The point is not that she's lesser. The point is that her party, as pursued, a set of policies that are profoundly anti child. These these people want to conflict the personal situation here with the fact that i'm making an argument that our entire society has become skeptical and even hateful towards the idea of having kids.

I, me, you have Young women and Young men who say, we don't want to have children because of climate change. We don't want to have children, of course, because housing Prices are too expensive. And that's a concern I I take seriously and I think is a very real problem.

But people have to remember that when you look back on your life, you talk to people. The thing that they remember most is not their career of their education, it's their family. And I just want us to be a country that's pro family.

Of course, what happened? Game givers was terrible. I wish her the best. Of course, come in here, has a great family. I wish them all the best.

But why are they pursuing a set of policies that make having family's harder? Why are they wanting to mask todgers years into the pandemic? Why are they saying that we should get rid of the child tax credit, which lowest taxes for working families with children? They are creating an anti family and anti child society. And I think it's important for republicans to fight back against this, Megan, and not take the bid here. We wish the best for these people's families, but they should not use their families as a pretext to pursue all these ridiculous anti family policies for the .

rest of americans, say in in defense of comm Harris and other childless leftists, plenty of leftists with children try to mask our children interminably and did not care about their own kids suffering or hours. Let's comment on there's no move on the child's cat lady. Would you like to comment on that? That reportedly has many conservative women outraged, though when I clicked on the news week article suggesting as much I saw three quoted.

look, Megan, I fired from a lot of conservative women and Frankly, a lot of liberal women who said, i'm actually glad that you pointed out there's become something profoundly entire family in our public policy, in our public conversation. Obviously, IT was a sarcastic comment. I've got nothing against cats.

I've got nothing against dogs. I've got one dog at home when I love a Megan. But look, this is not people are focusing so much on the sarcasm and not on the substance of what I actually said and the substance of what I said.

Megan, i'm sorry. It's true. IT is true that we become an anti re. family. IT is true that the left has become an entire child.

IT is simply true that it's become way too hard to raise a family. You make IT. You know, I myself, uh, had a lot of step parents when I was grown up.

I certainly was enriched by some of those step parents and Frankly, not enriched others. Uh, my own wife is a working mother. You hear love to say jade wants to keep women in the home. My own wife, i've supported her career for my entire life. I'm proud of IT.

But because i'm proud of IT and because I supported my wife, Megan, i've seen the fact that it's hard to be a working mom, that the corporate world is fundamental hostile to working mothers and working fathers, because we have made stupid and bad choices as a country. I wanted to make different choices. And I think it's shameful for the democrats to hide behind their personal circumstances when the they have supported policies that i've made IT harder on working bombs and dads. And they're still this very day doing .

the exact same thing you you mention usha joy read in that moon tage of media reaction I played suggested that what your comments get to is that the only valid version of amErica is a White woman who stays at home. So that's your position. According to her, you only value White stayed home moms.

Just so disgusting, Megan. And look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she's who he is.

Obviously, she's not a White person that we've been acute attacked by some White supreme es over that. But I I just I love you SHE SHE is such a good mom. She's such a briled lawyer, and i'm so proud of her. But yes, her experience has given you some perspective in the way in which is really hard for working families in this country.

And a big part, you know, this Megan, going back years well before I was in politics, i've always wanted to be the kind of person who supports parents and fulfilling their dreams and having as many kids as they want to. Its profoundly important for our society. We have no future without kids.

people. People forget that if you don't have children, you do not have a future. You cannot import the next generation. You've got to actually have stable, healthy, happy families.

President trop, I our entire agenda is about promoting IT, promoting schools that are good for kids, bringing down housing costs so that Young families want to start a family they can afford to. These are the things that are important in our public policy and in our discourse. I'm going to keep on fighting for Megan. I'm actually glad the left is attacked me over this because I think it's started an important conversation about how our society became so profoundly entire family.

I get IT. So you're saying just up for the record, you value step mothers. You value people who have nephews and nieces or not.

You're basically just trying to make the point that children are valuable and that we need more of them, not people like this who are making IT very clear that they don't want kids or that they actually have to factor in environmental causes to their desire to have children. Give you A O, C, in twenty nineteen. Number five.

scientific consensus that the lives of children are going to be very difficult. And IT does lead, I think, Young people to have a legitimate question, should, is that okay to still have children?

According among morning consult, one third of Young people agree with that sentiment. One third and those obviously are democrats. It's not going to be conserved, considered ing not having kids because these catastrophic envionmental forecasts, which you know don't come true. So they're given up there the joy of having a child over these catastrophic forecasts they're getting from credit turn burg.

I do want to say this, the same people like curing you right now on this issue, this comment is thrown away comment or whatever the position are the same people pushing through the revise title nine, that's gona force my daughter and eventually yours if we don't change things to shower with biological boys when they're in the fourth grade, when they're the eighth grade, when they're the tenth grade, compete against biological boys who could hurt them. Exports like volleyball, soccer, field hockey of which we've seen um and who are just fine mutilating people like Chloe cole who at fifteen had her mistake had had her depression mistaken for gender confusion and they chopped off her breast after one meeting. With that, they're fine with that center or fine.

they're totally fine with that. Megan, if you want to talk about child lest women, let's talk about the victims of migrant crime under comment hero administration, people who have been deprived of their children because we've LED in violent criminals into this country who have killed american citizens. Let's absolutely talk about the fact that they have become mutilation of children.

The democrats have completely lost the plot here. And again, of course, we love step moms. We love ants and uncles.

You know, Megan, I was raised by a whole collection of step parents and uncles and grandparents. We love all of these people, but we want to make life easier for them. Because of that, we have to, we have to accept, Megan, that our country has become anti family.

You see in our birth rate, you see IT. And how many Young people, to your point, say that they don't want to have children. This is a crazy change. This happened just in the past one or thirty years. I'm not gonna stand by while IT happens. I think it's important for us to call IT out are going to keep on doing that even if the left to taxes, especially if the left to taxes, because sometimes it's the truest and most important points that caused them to attack you the most.

I went out there to ohio. I met you in usha. I met we. I met your extended family, absolutely wonderful, beautiful people and yes, you have among to the closest family bonds of anybody i've ever known um which is why I was weird for me having read your book back in sixteen done a in depth profile of you in seventeen to hear um governor Brown are of kentucky where you were born and spent early years attack you as like a fake hill Billy as is as sort of appropriating their culture i've gotten play a little bit of this because i'd love .

to get your reaction here as jd vans is a phony he he's fake. I mean, he first says that mcDonald trump is like hitler and now is acting like he's blinking. I mean, the problem with J.

D. Vance is he has no conviction. But I guess this running made has thirty four. Then he claims to be from mister kentuchy, tries to write a book about IT to profit of our people. And then he calls us lacy.

And this makes me angry, but IT especially makes me angry about our people in eastern kentucky, as these are the hardworking coal miners that power the industrial revolution that helped build the strongest midd class the world has ever seen, helped us win two world wars. And he called them lazy, acting like he understands our culture and he's one of us. He's not yet another .

VP hopeful on the hairs ticket. Your thoughts well.

first of all on each in tuckey people call Steve or andy bi er I should say lexing in liberals because the guy has no in connection to eastern and turkey. This is a guy, Megan, who got his first law firm job from his dad's law firm, who inhered the government ship from his daddy, who's never had to work for anything as entire lot. I, and what he said about me is despicable.

You know, I have deep connections easing in turkey. I spent a lot of my life there. I still have a lot of family that's there.

But most importantly, he is supporting commonly hero who wants to put all of those coal miners out of work. SHE supports banning fracking. SHE supports destroying the livelihood that has served as the foundation for a lot of those family.

So he wants to come after me. In my personal story, the guy was born with a silver spoon, his mouth. And we all know that if his prefer candidate, commonly heroines, those people will be in deep poverty in our country. Is gonna skyrocket energy Prices that that is not standing up for people that's lying to people and using these weird personal tax to conceal the fact the commute herr's has the most anti energy policies we've ever seen in a can and it's going to be people in east and toki in pennsylvania and michigan who are you going to hurt the most if common hair is gets in there and dance nal gas and dance coal, which is exactly what he said he wants .

to do the same media that is obsessing every day over your comments in a row way interview with talker three years ago. And that one phrase is not covering any of that with respect to come, haris. They are not getting into the fact that he wants to take away private health insurance, the fact that he wants to ban fracking, the fact that he wants to get through the phillips ter so he can push through the Green new deal.

We could go on a bandar sin was on a tucker and said today, the media is trying to maker into M, L, K. In address. What's your reaction to the coronation of como herr's as the nominee and the complete White washing of her policy history? Yeah, well.

I was so GLE the president drop about this last night. Megan, we had dinner and you know, for three weeks the media was honest about geo. Biden, and they were honest in the service of cynical politics.

They lied for years about job aid's mindful beauty. And they decided to be honest because they knew that they could force them out of the race. And now they force him out of the race.

They've gone back to dishonesty. They completely ignore the commonly herr's is the most liberal senator in the country. He was the most liberal senator when he served.

She's the borders are at a time of historic open borders. She's encouraged illegal immigration even though it's brought in a ton of fit nall that's killed a lot of innocent people. SHE wants to ban fracking, which destroy manufacturing and energy in this country.

SHE has, on every single issue, stood for the far left of the democratic party instead of working people in this country. This is not a hard case to make and as much as the media is gona lie about come heroes, I would even say she's like a mixture, according to the press, she's like a mixture of M, L, K and above. Like and right.

SHE can do no wrong. The problem is her record is her record. Megan and SHE can't run away from IT.

We cannot let people who are going to destroy the american manufacturing energy economy take over the reins of power. We've seen for three and a half years, it's been bad. It's going to be a lot worse when you get somebody who's even more liberal than bite in there.

And yet the polls are tightening. Um you've seen that there was just one out hit late late last night year time sana trump forty eight, haris forty seven that last poll and early july had trump plus six over joe bite in. And then we had emerson polling on yesterday and they were talking about how it's getting tighter in the swing states too, including wisconsin, michigan.

Now the cheese on the ticket. So to republicans feeling, you know, who were feeling euphoric at the R N C. That is, who can be a slam dump, slam dunk. Watch your message.

Look, we have to work a Megan. We have to run through the finish line. This election is not going to be easy, obviously, commonly, Harris, going through a bit of honeymoon phase, we all expect the polls to tighten a little bit.

But I think the structure of this racist fundamental, very simple, do you want higher inflation? Do you want lower Prices on groceries and housing? If you want higher inflation, vote for caller heroes. If you want lower Prices, vote for Donald trump.

Do you want to a wide open border, then vote for coming Harris, if you want to close down that border and get the drug dealers in the fit nall out of our communities, vote for president trump. The contrast is very simple. Commonly, heroes is supported all of the most unpopular policy.

So yeah, she's gonna a bit of a honeymoon gan, but the truth is the truth, she's extremely liberal. Her policies have been bad for this country. That would be even worse if we gave for another four years.

We can do that. And I think americans are smart enough to recognize that we just have to prosecute our case, get our voters there, make sure people knocked on doors and get the message out. That is the job of a presidential campaign. And I feel very good about where we are.

Meanwhile, joe biden has admit he can serve a second term, but has not admitted that he probably shouldn't be serving this one and the remaining six months or in a provocative position. Now, with respect to our security as world leaders, take a look at what we also off from the oval, off is the other night and the days and weeks before. And I wonder you're feeling on whether the sitting president needs to step down.

Well, look, Megan, we have a constitutional process to twenty fifty the moment. If the president can run for president, how can he possibly service president? And IT drives home how much? This was totally a cynical political ploy.

E, this is not about public service. Come here is lied meggan for an entire presidential term about joe bides middle fitness. SHE only told the truth when SHE saw opportunity to customize.

And the entire democratic party saw opportunity to decide to salvage their political prospects. They settled amErica for three and half years with the president who can do the job. And they only change their minds when they recognize there was a political opportunity.

Get rid of them. That is not public service. That is political. Cnn's m, in a way that made our country so much weaker, Megan, and we have to call that out. And importantly, if joe biden cannot do the job, he's gotta step down. And I don't know anybody who's watched biden over the last few weeks who can say with confidence this is a guy who could actually serve with present in the united states the fact the democrats are still covering forum drive home, and how shameful their conduct has been over the last few years.

So I mean, when you say can serve as president, do you because that do, are you saying he should step down? Because, of course, that would elevate her and that might make her tougher to beat.

I don't think that would make her tougher to beat. But joe biden cannot continue to service president if you can do the job, right? This is not about politics, Megan.

This is about, do we have somebody who can actually do the job as president? Clearly, joe biden can. The democrats have lied about that fact.

And most importantly, because it's only six months, we've just got to remind the american people that the reason why we have a president who can do the job is because commonly, heros lie to people. Remember, SHE said that he was sharpers attack just a few months ago. He said that he was totally capable of doing the job.

And the entire democratic party joiner, we now know they were lying to us. And the only way to penalised that dishonesty is to vote them out in november. That's what i'm trying to convince every american to do.

You know, one of the main concerns, as you know, voters have in this election as the economy, I mean, I just the economy and immigration remain one into, depending on the day, the reverse positions. And I don't I haven't seen me the evidence that commonly her is any ability to address the economy.

We've seen what she's done at the border, although they're now denying all responsibility for though every single paper the near times the washington was all whether they use the term borders are not used they died said SHE had been appointed in the lead position over IT. Um but here's the thing her approach to the country and I assume to the economy as well, continues to go back to this term of equity. SHE sees any difference in america's economic position or any position as relating to equity and our problems with IT in amErica and SHE explained herself in this mash up that forgive me, I don't know who put IT together but will get IT.

I wanted to put some of her thoughts on IT. Engage your reaction on that issue of equity versus equality and such twenty six. So there is a big difference between equality and equity.

Equality suggest often everybody should get the same thing.

Well, that often assumes everybody started out in the same .

place as opposed to equity, which is everyone should end up in the same place. And if you then understand not everybody started out in the same place, you understand some people need more. So we all end up in the same place, right, and being guided by this principle of what we must do in the spirit in the interest of equity, to put equity firmly at the center. The vour economic .

policy that was by a twitter can called and workers was a great follow. Um what you make of this notion.

it's totally crazy talk. Megan luck, I think most americans, regardless of their skin color, would say we want people to work hard to actually get ahead, right? We want people who benefit from this great american system to benefit if they work card and play by the rules.

You can't say everybody has to end up in the same place because some people are gonna a little bit harder than others, and that's fine. And we want those people to be rewarded. The other crazy thing about this, Megan, is that justifies some really monstrous discrimination from the Harris administration in the name of so called equity.

Let's just take one example. There was a foreign program that the haris administration put in place to help farmers who are trying to get off, uh, get off to a start in farming. A great program, something I support, but I think I should apply to far as whether they're White or black or any other skin color.

The Harris administration explicit said, if you are White, farmer, don't apply. A court found that that was illegal. And that monstrous level of discrimination based on skin color is what is justified when people start appealing to equity instead of equality under the law.

The fundamental american principal is we treat everybody the same. If you work a little bit harder, you should be rewarded for IT. If you don't work as hard, you be rewarded for IT.

But you don't discriminating inst people based on their skin color because you have some crazy left wing notion that you have to put everybody at the exact same place at the end of the day. IT sounds kind of OK kind of weird, depending on your perspective. But if you think about what IT justifies in our government, IT is taking us back fifty years. Discriminate under the on the basis of law, discrimination on the basis of skin color is bad news, Megan, and I don't think we should go for.

IT sounds kind of columbus is what IT sounds of and it's pretty alarming that that decision you made you reference about a the bike here administration on the farmers and ranchers would give the uh the the help to black farmers irrespective of their financial situation.

So literally Opera win free could say he has his ranch out montecito and that he wanted to take advantage of the program and he would get IT and some struggling farmer venture in a pilatka would be denied if he happened to be White. IT was insane and discrimination on the basis of races illegal. And so that's why I was struck down. You know, IT wasn't so long ago that the same people piling on you now, joy read, who says you only care about White moms who wanted stayed home even though you're married to a non White mom who is not staying at home.

Just crazy talk.

They were in love with you after hbi ology until, you know, because they thought you were like a trump whisper. You were the guy you could help them understand the evil man who had intended to the presidency. But there wasn't interesting exchange that you had enjoy read show back in the day.

This is sixteen, discussing your book. We pulled up just for kicks. Here is lady. Thank you so much for being here.

I have read so many thing pieces about your book and so seen so many interviews with you. I have the book right here. Can't wait to dive into IT, but your story, first of all, is fascinating. So the way you went from sort of respect country to yell, one of the things is really fascinating about your story. Audience is how similar some of the pathologies you talk about um r to the pathologies that Normally people aside to afra americans, right, that you know these ideas about the way raised, raised mostly by your grandparents, the way that you were able to use opportunity like the military to get a college degree that's very familiar across racial lines so why do you suppose there's such a huge golf and distance ideologically between african americans um and people from where are that like the ones you came from?

Well obviously a lot of IT goes back to forty or fifty years ago when when the two groups sort of diverge because of of of certain policies that were supported. A big part of IT is just that because of the way that black americans have been discriminated against legally, I think black americans have intended to focus on the politics of a race in which party is going to provide the most racial uplift or tear down the most legal barriers. Where's why americans have typically voted their pocketbooks, voted politics of class. And so we've tended to not necessarily overlap .

prety fashioning, by the way, you look so Young. It's crazy what's happened in the best eight years before the beard.

Megan.

a long time. Well, yeah, I I feel like he has done a good job with you sharper dressing and you got.

I like the beard, you to go to chill out with that. She's ready. She's already are going enough about a, about a lot of things he deserves .

to be um but I think you are making good point there and I think you don't even enjoy we could see IT back now maybe not.

Well, look, it's very simple and actually I think I started to change by the way back and I think you see a lot of black and White americans voting more along class lines, voting more along who's actually best for me. There are a lot of black energy workers who are going to benefit from the policies of a area administration to destroy the american energy industry. So I do think that slowly starting to change.

But IT is interesting to sort of here how fascinated these people were with my story five, ten years ago. And now that I am on the presidential ticket, they've decided that on the worst possible guy in the world, it's it's fascinating to me. It's not surprising began and it's kind of what I signed up for, right? I, me, I, I, I wanted make people's lives Better.

My whole idea here, in the reason I accepted, uh, present troubles invitation to join the ticket, is because I think that americans have been screwed over by a lot of stupid policies. I'd like to change that. And if the cost of changing that as people like joy read used to say nice things about me and now they lie about me, whatever, as Harry, as crewman and said, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I think it's an honor to be here. And everything that comes along with with IT, I just see as a necessary part of have to do this .

job when trump name U S. Is running mate. Um we did we revisit some of your bio. And one of the points I made that day was this is a man whose life has been formed by strong women that very clear that's a fact. It's not spin a from mamma, your your grandma to your mom IT was a complicated relationship and remain so i'm sure to your sister linsey, with whom you're very close to anti and then you move on to yell law school and there's amy chua, our mutual friend who we love, who encouraging you to write the book and change your life and saw you the special story in person that ultimately would lead you to enter the national conversation and then usha, who at yell Oscar, who I know is been responsible in large part for teaching you how to love, how to be in relationship, how to conquer some of those childhood demons.

So to me it's it's a great success story of not just daily events, but of american women, strong american women from mamm with her guns and her love of the f bomb to your own mom with her addiction problems though he managed to make her imprint um to the beautiful linsey, the sister I love who beat her herself up for not protecting you more ultimately to this more sophisticated, incredible dynamic wife usha, who's taking you on the next leg of the journey. So how do you see those women? And like your arc with M J D.

well, I I think this is the three line of my life make. And there been strong women who have made IT possible for me to have a good life in in the union. Mamo, i've heard so many mammal stories from friends and family just in the last few days. You know, people who have come out of that would work, obviously, because we gave the speech of the orient convention.

And, you know, one story I I heard Megan, uh, just a couple of days ago for my ant is, you know, we were in a car and I was so Young I just forgotten this story and we were driving east rand turkey and, uh, a motorcyclist pulls up and he's kind of swing and he's being aggressive and he's just being really ridiculous and kind of scaring us in the car. And I pointed that out. My aunt points IT out she's driving, and mama reaches underneath her sea, pulls out of forty four magnum and taps IT on the the window and this guy sort of almost swarms and crashes as motorcycle.

But that was the end of the motorcycle harassment and and that's just at a type of pers and mama was but just is incredibly strong person and yeah you know uh is more sophisticated in the ways of the world. But I think I think what is sort of unites them is, one, they're very tough. Two, they're incredibly protective of their family.

Three, they're very smart. Right meal wasn't well educated, but he was a very brilliant person. And you know, the only downside, i'll say, of usha is I, I, I asked the convention plan.

I said, what about having my wife introduced me before my speech? I'm not making that mistake ever again, Megan, because SHE SHE did such a good job and I was so proud of her. But i'm not gonna have to follow the act ever again, right? I'm i'm going to make you introduce president wrong. But he really was SHE just heard .

nature like the way SHE projects the self. Implicating nature is what makes her so attractive and charming.

yeah. And she's just herself. And you know what, what I was worried about having never been in the spotlight is I just want you, honey, to be so the usual, I just want you to be who you are because I love you, the world's gonna all in love with you.

And SHE just went out there. SHE didn't accept the speech rider speech. He wrote her own speech, said exactly what he wanted to say, and he did such a good job with that. And I I just know as as a guy who was very in love with his wife, I was very, very proud, but not following that speech.

So how did you feel when you got the call from from you know, you and I talked when you are, you were even in politics, you just return to ohio from sanford go you were telling me you you just couldn't take like the people openly defecating on the sidewalks that was a lot from this kid from the midwest and you are even in politics and now we know flash forward, eight years later, you get the call from president of asking you to be as running me.

How did you put IT to you? How did they ask you? And how did you feel?

Well, the funny thing making is where the hotel room in the walking we had just arrived. He apparently called, and I didn't see the call because I wit rain to always smell or something. So I call him back and he answers the phone.

He says, you know, jd, you miss a very important phone call. Maybe i'll have to give this to somebody else. So my heart kind of stops, right? And I tense up really, really powerfully. But but the funniest thing, Megan, is because we're in the hotel room with my seven year old kid. He's talking about his pokemon cards, right? So i'm trying to have this conversation with the president of the united states offering me the vice present, not and in the background, my seven year olds talking about, pick you of my god for the love of god song for thirty seconds just let me have this conversation and it's funny the president hears him and says, put him on the phone and then asks my seven year old, what do you think about the statement about to put out nominating your dad for vice president and my son listens to IT, says, all that sounds .

nice and .

and and is just such as a real moment. My wife actually got a photo of me on the phone with the president. You know, what an honor, right? Me that that's the thing that I I tried to just remind myself of every single day is I didn't come from anything material, right?

I did not have the advantages of a lot of people in politics, but I had an incredibly loving family, and I just feel so grateful to have this opportunity. And as I said at the convention, mean that the most important thing that I think I can bring to the ticket is to never forget where I came from and never forget the perspective of people who are struggling. Like, you know, it's people like mammal who really suffer when grocery Prices go as much as they have under the hair administration.

It's people like mom who struggled with addiction, but she's been clean for ten years now who really, really struggle when you have this poison as fit. Now coming across our southern border. So I just want to a, remember where I came from, serve the people who made me, who I am. And I think I do that. I'll be a fine vice president, and the cut will be Better for, but that's my goal.

Senator and vice presidential nominee, J. D. event. What a pleasure, great to see again, hope you come back.

Thanks, I can see.

and thanks to all of you for joining us today. wow. Would love your thoughts on our interview and this controversy and this ticket and how you like the chances even though the races tightening. Uh, you can email me, Megan M E G I N at Megan Kelly that com.

Are you going to go our website, magan Kelly that com, and sign up for our once a week email when we give you all the news in sixty seconds or or less? What a fascinating guy. He's so interesting.

It's amazing to me to see the media piles on this guy like he's the devil. Does he seem like the devil to you? Is just at the same time when the running cover for her literally scrapping her record, you know, you ve got websites calling her the most liberal, non partisan websites calling her the most liberal senator in the senate.

Now scrubbing, that just happened to rub IT this week. They say if that was our policy, every every once and well, like every year. So we taken another really just happen hit this week.

You decided to make her not the most liberal sender by the time they had labeled her that her senator days were over. So what changed in terms of her liberal senate policies? Nothing SHE ran for president. The borders are nonsense.

Do you know how many times the mainstream media called with that? And forget that label just said he was in charge the border SHE replacing charge of the border in the lead position, in charge the border. Now it's like what border? What I was my orcus that media as that decided to make these comments, some national hurricane.

It's not gonna be just this. We talked about this the other day because of Harris is a women of mixed race. They are going to make everything about race and gender.

And she's an asian, she's indian and she's black. Her dad was jamaican and her her mom was. China member exactly but he is from india. Um in an event everything is going to make is going to be about race and gender.

And so any small comment that he's ever made, of course, that trumps ever made is when he would gin up in turn in new instals new story. Because this is how they motivate their base. The republicans are racist.

The republicans are sexist, where the only good party ignore the fact that we're onna mutilate your fourteen year old, ignore the fact that your daughter is going to face partial paralysis in a volleyball game because we insist on making biological boys have access to her sports in her private spaces. That pro woman, even if you too stupid to understand IT the trick, is just so old in watching them all, rush to condemn you. A comment like this is just scotland so tired.

So i've seen so many times now when IT first happens to you and you haven't been out there, maybe are some our Young viewers are experiencing this. IT might seem genuine. Oh no, like they're really mad.

But this is bad. What he said, would you get to be my age? You start to see the patterns for what they are. This is a manipulation.

Why do you think the the potential vice presidential running mates to her are all over the events? You think it's genuine outrage? Sure, sure.

You know, it's just not to mention the number of things that the left is said about women that they're fine with. You know they would they they were calling casey descendest the walmer melanoma. They have called malaysia trump in the york times a mana.

When trump was running the first time, they've called casey to santis and others, um what is IT? Uh, the step? Uh, not step. The, what's the show?

The hand made tail like that there some sort of handmade tail version of life, not to mention what they said about immune barat. Same thing they were wearing this and me tells outfit at her, at her confirmation hearings. That's fine.

Can do all of that to republican women, you can say is glorious dynamic did about serapa an, uh, a woman only a man could love. That's the no problem. But if you use the phrase child's cat lady in sort of a flip moment on fox news, on a cable new show where you know that's where you go to be flip, you're the devil, right? We report.

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