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Piecing Together What Happened in Syria

2024/12/12
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Norman Roule: 叙利亚阿萨德政权的长期存在依赖于来自伊朗和俄罗斯的关键支持。伊朗的圣城军虽然在其他地区行动失败,但在维持阿萨德政权方面取得了成功,但为此付出了巨大代价。为了弥补自身在空中和地面力量上的不足,圣城军寻求并获得了俄罗斯在叙利亚的军事支持。然而,俄罗斯和伊朗在应对HTS向南推进时表现出的无能,暴露了其机构内部的腐败和缺乏应急计划。这最终导致了阿萨德政权的垮台。以色列对伊朗领导层的持续打击,以及卡西姆·苏莱曼尼的死亡,进一步削弱了伊朗在叙利亚的影响力,使得经验丰富的指挥官和其人脉网络的丧失,导致伊朗在叙利亚的军事行动效率低下。 Andrew Schwartz: 就美国而言,首要目标是避免叙利亚出现极端伊斯兰国家,阻止伊朗向极端组织输送物资,并帮助叙利亚人民重建家园。美国与以色列都采取行动阻止极端组织控制叙利亚,以避免灾难性后果。美国对叙利亚东部的ISIS目标进行了军事打击,而以色列则对叙利亚的导弹项目和化学武器设施进行了空袭,并加强了在戈兰高地的防御部署。当前局势下,美国面临的挑战是如何在支持叙利亚重建的同时,防止伊朗重建其在该地区的军事影响力,并应对ISIS的死灰复燃。

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Key Insights

Why did the Assad regime survive for so long in Syria?

The Assad regime was sustained by Iran's Quds Force, which successfully supported the regime despite failures elsewhere during the Arab Spring. Iran, along with Lebanese Hezbollah and Russian airpower, provided crucial ground and air support, pushing back opposition forces.

How did Iran and Russia fail to prevent the fall of Assad?

Iran and Russia demonstrated bureaucratic and leadership rot, failing to coordinate effectively to block Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) from advancing south. Their lack of a contingency plan and poor intelligence led to the regime's collapse.

What role did the U.S. play in the Syrian conflict during the Obama administration?

The U.S. and regional allies temporarily tried to intervene in the Syrian conflict, but the Obama administration ultimately pulled out, leaving the field open for Iran and Russia to support Assad.

Who is Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), and what is their current status?

HTS, formerly known as Jabhat al-Nusra, is an offshoot of al-Qaeda. Despite efforts to distance itself from terrorism, it remains designated as a terrorist group by the U.S. and other countries. They have taken steps to appear more moderate, but their true intentions remain uncertain.

What are the key U.S. interests in Syria post-Assad?

The U.S. aims to prevent the rise of a militant Islamic state, stop Iran from reconstituting its support for extremists, and support a Syrian solution that allows refugees to return and rebuild their lives. The focus is on regional stability and countering ISIS.

How has Israel responded to the situation in Syria?

Israel has increased its air attacks on Syrian territory, targeting missile programs and chemical weapons. They have also expanded their presence in the Golan area to create a security buffer against potential militant infiltration.

What challenges does Iran face in the region?

Iran's regional influence has weakened significantly, with its proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas losing support. Iran's economy is in poor shape, with high inflation and unemployment, and its leadership is aging and unpopular. These factors create an opportunity for the U.S. and Israel to pressure Iran.

What are the potential options for the U.S. and Israel regarding Iran?

Options include military strikes on Iran's nuclear program to deter further development, or diplomatic efforts to negotiate a deal. The key is ensuring Iran perceives a credible threat of military action if it continues its nuclear activities or attacks American interests.

Shownotes Transcript

CSIS’s Norman Roule, who served for thirty-four years in the Central Intelligence Agency, managing significant programs relating to the Middle East, joins the podcast to discuss the actors that enabled the Assad regime to survive for so long, how bureaucratic rot in Russia and Iran enabled Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) to move south so quickly, and actions the U.S. can take to support peace in the region.