The Year in Numbers: Wednesday, December 4th, 2024
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Good morning, millennials. Welcome back to the Chose and happy, what is it? Oh, it's Wednesday. Okay. Okay. Beautifully for me feels like a Monday because I'm back at home and yesterday night like felt like a Sunday. So I'm kind of jazzed about that. Well,

We're happy for you. It doesn't feel like that for us, but okay. Like hack your own week. Even though I worked, it's not even like I didn't work Monday, Tuesday. So just a little week hack. I'm sorry to be so negative. I just need to tell everyone like I'm having a fucking terrible morning. Like I just feel like shit. And I'm so annoyed because yesterday was probably the best I felt in months. And I was ready to come on the show and be like, I'm out of it. You guys, I cracked the code. I actually did a workout yesterday. I stayed up late till 10 o'clock.

Oh my God. I feel like I've been hit by a bus. I am not okay. And I'm in a fucking bad mood about it. So I'm just letting everyone know that if you're like, Claudia's being so negative today. Well, I'm dealing with a lot. Eat my fucking ass, bitch. Claudia is not feeling well. So the physical symptoms we can't help you with here at The Toast. You know, you're going to have to journey. You have to walk on your own. Thank you so much. The bad mood, emotional symptoms, that's what we do here. I know. And I'll feel better as I come out of it. You'll feel better throughout the show. So-

I'm excited for that for you. It's just like, can I not have a moment of peace? And I know everyone's like so tired of me complaining all the time. I'm sorry. Like this is what I'm dealing with. Like it is what it is. Understood. Well, we're foolishly my to turny. Thank you. So you're having flu like symptoms, you say? No, my just like I'm tired. Oh, and you know what? I got to bed last night. I'm like, you know what?

I'm doing it. What are we doing? I'm sleeping without a bra. Like I'm just so sick of the bras like touching my skin. Okay. But my boobs are so big and so heavy. And let me tell you, mistake of the century. If you're thinking about sleeping without a bra, don't fucking do it.

I actually think my body is aching from the weight of my breasts being carried all night. Jackie, I was up all night and like, God forbid, I just got up. I couldn't get up. Like it felt like bricks on my chest. It was such a bad idea. And I feel like my entire disposition is due to the fact that I slept without a bra. Interesting. I feel like you need a looser bra for sleeping. I have, of course. Like you need a-

no, like I love the hatch maternity bras. It's like as close as you can get to like not wearing a bra, but it's something. And those are really, why don't you borrow one while you're here? You could take one for a test drive. I just, I still wear them. I feel like there's a girl out there who's pregnant and thinking about sleeping without a bra tonight. Like don't fucking do it. I'm telling you, it will take me a week to recover. I think that's really the cause of what I'm feeling. Well, luckily for you, you're coming here tomorrow, which the journey, I don't envy you with your sickness, but I was planning on making a chicken soup today. So,

So you would have par-g-lit. You don't know how I feel. Okay. What about this? Like I'm going to make a chicken soup so that I have tasty. I'll pluck out the chicken for you and noodles. No, no. Okay. Like I don't like soup. Although if I am like forced to partake, I do prefer matzo ball. Okay. I've never made matzo ball, but I learned frozen ones. Like I can, I can learn. I can learn anything. But I can learn.

Like if Turdy needs matzo ball soup. Jackie, what's that from? Law and Order. Oh my God. It's like this random episode of Law and Order for some reason. Us as kids, like we quoted all the time. What is it? What's the, I don't even know. She's like a mom. No, I thought she was a child. But she wanted to raise a kid and she was like, but I can learn. Oh, that's really sad. Olivia would know. Olivia was really struck by the episode and that's why we started quoting it all the time. I can learn how to make matzo balls.

But I can learn. Yeah, learn. Well, not if you're not in the mood for soup. I'm not in the mood for soup. But I am in the mood to be at your house. Like, that sounds nice. We'll take good care of you here. It is one fucking degree. Like, it is so cold. I'm ready. What is the degree there? In the 30s. We hit the 30s. We hit a new decade this week. We're in the 60s.

Which, welcome to the 60s. Go, Jackie, go, go, go. Like, it's so cold for here. It's so amazing. Yeah, that's nice. So, okay, I do have some things to look forward to. Life is worth living.

Plus you're coming here. Then we've got Jizz No on Sunday and it's going to be a really big next few days. I feel like we're acting like it's not. I feel like we're acting like girls who don't have stuff going on. No. But we've got a lot going on. And like it kills me that like we have stuff going on that we can't share. You know what I'm talking about right now. I know. We've got some big things brewing. Yeah. So we'll just like have to wait a year until we can tell you. We'll just have to leave it at that.

at that and really annoy you guys yeah I don't I'm so oh by the way today's Spotify wrapped speaking of annoying let me tell you and I know that I'm not saying this because I'm in a bad mood I'm saying this because I really fucking feel that way like please stop okay you're everyone is allowed to share one screenshot from their Spotify wrapped whether you want to share what song you listen to the most who your favorite artist was I don't care which fucking one you choose you get one and

People like doing an analysis on their fucking Instagram story. Okay, yours was funny because Billie Eichner being in your top five. I posted two because they were both funny. Jackie, nobody's is that interesting. Yours is probably the most interesting one could be, and it wasn't even that interesting, okay? I'm sick of it. Like, you get one. I posted one. Flexia, like, not only is Taylor Swift my number one artist, she's four out of five of my top songs. Like, some of you bitches, not to call out Snitch, have Taylor Swift as your number one artist, and she's not even on your top five songs. Like, please, please.

Everybody gets one. Oh, and by the way, explain how that makes sense. For the second year in a row, I just want to say Spotify wrapped is no longer factual. I don't know what the angle is, but Claudia, many times, even when you're here, how many times we listen to We Know the Way from Moana? How many times? I can tell you how many times. In the Hamptons? I can tell you how many times because I literally know every word to that terrible fucking song. Right. Not only is that not even on my hundred playlist list.

It's not on my playlist of my top songs of 2024. Lin-Manuel should have been my number one artist. Meanwhile, my number two song, Hakuna Matata, which is by four people, including Billy Eichner. And now Billy Eichner is my number four artist beating out Sabrina Carpenter, Shabuzy, Kacey Musgraves. It's a lie. It's lies. I'm feeling as though it's no longer data driven.

it's not data driven. This bluey song is my number one song. We listened to that for three weeks. Now I just want to say it's a 30 second song. So we played it on repeat so many times. So probably the length of an, we played it six times for every one time we would listen to another song, but that was not the number one song. The number one song was we know the way. And the number two songs were Spidey and his amazing friends. And my number one artist should have been fallout boy because we listened to that on repeat. It's,

Lies. Yeah, I think when you have kids, like it definitely, mine felt data driven. I'm going to say that. I felt completely represented in the data. But also, you know, as a creator on Spotify, because we release our episodes, you also get your own Spotify wrapped, like sharing stats about how many countries were the podcast was listened to. And I felt like this year they really phoned in. They usually give really good tea, like about like what other podcasts you're beating, like good shit. This one was so boring. Like I didn't even screenshot anything to send to you. Like there was nothing of note. Yeah. Yeah.

Spotify wrapped is not what it used to be. It's not. And I just like, I seriously need everyone like not to be so mean, but like we're in this group chat with a bunch of our friends and everybody was like sending screenshots this morning. And I literally wanted to write like you guys, nobody fucking cares. Like it's so uninteresting to me. Even if you're like my lover, the love of my life, Ben, I don't,

Give a fuck. Like seriously, people are so self-involved when it comes to Spotify rap thinking that anybody gives a shit. Okay, what about all the people who tag us that The Toast was their number one listen to podcast? So that was the next point I wanted to make because I've made the decision this year to

You know, it's like always a flex. Like so many people, I mean this morning I already have like over 100 mentions. Like how many people tag us that we're their number one podcast of the year and it's so flattering. And every year I'm like always sharing them and like flexing on the other podcasters. But it's annoying. And I've decided I'm not going to partake this year but I do want everyone to know like my DMs are flooded. Like everyone's tagging me. My DMs are flooded. I don't have plans to repost everyone but I'm going to see how other people's reposts make me feel. Like if I'm hating watching them or I'm like, oh, this is like so flattering.

fun. I want to get involved. Maybe I'll repost. I want to read the room a little bit. But I just want to say, I give a couple fucks about Spotify rap. There are a couple things that are interesting. And our first story, which is the top streamed artist of the year, which is incredibly telling. And then I think there are people who like pretend to like certain things because it's like, cool,

and edgy. And meanwhile, like your number one played artist is Taylor Swift. And like, you're not listening to Martinez Brothers like you say you are. No, not only that, especially with the Taylor stuff. It's really interesting like to see people who like made Taylor their personality, acted like they've been Taylor fans. Who are that?

their entire life. They go to eras, mostly like content creators and influencers. And it's like, she's not even on your wrapped because you were never a fan. That is an interesting part of Spotify wrapped. But do you find this? I find this and it's so funny. And I get it by the way, this is not shady. Like I get tagged in a lot of like people sharing whatever.

their podcast. And it's funny to see like what the other podcast swirlies will repost. They'll only repost when they're number one. And it's like making a point. So I'm like, bitch, let me post something so everyone knows I'm number one. And by the way, it's not shady at all. Tingst did this morning and she actually put us as number one, like with her podcast below. But I have found over the years, like the swirlies are only resharing when they're number one, like showing everybody else is below me. Bitch, I do the same thing. I mean,

of course. And I also ultimately share when like number one toast to redheads, three good guys for Shannon, like, and it's just TNN mania. Yeah. TNN mania. I saw a couple of those. So just know I'm watching every single one of your stories that you're tagging me in, but I'm not resharing it because I don't want to be annoying. I

I haven't watched them yet. So when I watch them, I'll see how they make me feel. Because also some people write nice stuff. So I might do a little bit of resharing. Who knows what's in the cards? And then also another interesting thing about Spotify rap that I did find to be factual. Oh, Taylor Swift was my number one artist. I know everyone thinks I hate Taylor Swift. So I just need to say that.

And they told me. Everybody does think you hate Taylor Swift. I mean, like, I literally have been a fan of her since debut. Since high school. You bitches could never. You weren't even born. It's so fucking true, Jackie. Keep yelling at everyone. I love that.

And Spotify said I'm in the top 4% of Taylor Swift listeners. And that feels right. I know I'm not the one. I'm not a crazy Swifty who leaves her album on repeat while I'm sleeping so she could get streams. Like I, but I'm, I'm not 50%. I'm not 75. I'm 4%. I'm a big fucking fan, but I'm not the, the 1%, 2%. I was, I was 0.05% top Taylor listeners. And if anybody's interested, um, I did stream, I think it was like 25,000 minutes of Taylor. I,

I feel like you need to share that stat so the other bitches know how real you are. Because maybe you don't even listen to Spotify so much and you just listen to Taylor's album to hear it. And so for her to be your number one artist isn't that big of a deal. But to be compared to the other Swifties and to emerge as 0.5%. 0.05%, Jackie. Yeah.

Oh, that's a little scary. What about Margot? I don't know. I keep looking to see if anyone is like bigger than me. I don't know if they go lower than 0.05 because it's literally less than 1%. I don't know. But yeah, it does feel good. And I think that like, especially in recent years, it's kind of become like a form of social currency to be a Taylor Swift fan. Like you go to the era store, you travel, you wear cute outfits. And so some people I feel are definitely phoning it in. Me and Margot have this one influencer who we literally send back their content. Text me their name right now. Do I know who it is?

I don't know, actually. Okay, so it's a multi-platform. Yeah, I'll tell you later. You probably don't know this person. We send back their content back and forth because we know that this person is like a fake Taylor Swift fan and decided one day to be one. See, I want to see her Spotify wrapped or his. Yeah, yeah. I got to check. Right? Yeah. So it's not without...

It's Merrick, but it's not what it used to be. I am finding like serious flaws. There is something like non, even last year, Hot Dog by Mickey Mouse didn't crack top 100. And like that was our song of the year in the kids realm. So it's not like they're keeping off kids songs because like my one, two, three, four. Do you think that maybe there are certain kids songs like Mickey Mouse, like Moana that they exclude from the algorithm because they're so popular? You would think so. They're like, okay, we're trying not to give you a kids Spotify rap. However-

Bluey as my number one. And then also last year, Hot Dog was the song we played most for Mickey Mouse. Donald went- I'm so glad that year is behind us, honestly. Donald went to Corton from the same album was on my top 100, but Hot Dog wasn't. Make it make sense. I can't. It's confounding. It does not pass muster.

And, um, I do feel that my running of a 5k really influenced my Spotify because that was really like probably the most, the time of year where I listened to the most music and like focused so much on exactly what I was listening to. And that's why the songs from TTPD that were in my top, well, they are my favorites, but they're also the ones that I ran to. So who's afraid of little old me is such a good running song. Same with, I can do it with a broken heart. Um, yeah.

So just like it reminds, Spotify Unwrapped, Unwrapped? Wrapped. Unwrapped is that show from Food Network. Spotify Unwrapped is actually nice because it reminds you of like things you did this year. Yeah. Like when I was going through there, like in August, you listened to a lot of old hits and that was because we were all in the Hamptons with the family and I was trying to like find music that everybody would appreciate. So it's nice in that sense. It's a trip down memory lane. What was your number one song of the year? Who's afraid of little old me?

And that I am proud of. Also at this point, whenever I like a song, I like it. I add it to my like songs and I only listen to my like songs. So my top 100 Spotify playlist is just my like songs playlist. And I'm not having fun anymore. And literally in the same order, like I'm bored. Can I tell you something? And when they were like, your number one song of the year is, I 100% thought it was going to be

I love you for, I love you for life. I do think it's obviously less competitive. I definitely am in the 1% of top listeners of Katy Perry's new album. I'm surprised she wasn't in my wrapped at all. I listened to like those four songs, Wonder, Lifetimes, Woman's World.

7,000 times. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. Like, no, no, sorry. I don't know if that's true because it wasn't in my rap. No, no, I'm saying that's even a lot. Like, I know I listen to, I listen to Woman's World a lot. All the other songs from her album that I did add to my like songs because I like them, I eventually took off because I couldn't listen to them anymore. Oh my God, you're so wrong for that. Those four songs, like not the album, just those four songs are in Crayob. No, they, they, they don't pass muster like when you listen to them too much for me, but obviously not for you. Can I say something? Hmm.

This is a safe space. The safest. You know, we had this big moment yesterday with Muster, right? It was the title. Everybody was like loving past Muster. They thought it was like the best part of the episode. And I think that people are expecting it to, you know, now join Toasty Vernacular. I don't know.

I have something, I hate the phrase. Like something about. It's because it sounds like mustard. Yes, and you know I hate mustard. And you don't like mustard. But like I am not feeling naturally inclined to start throwing it into my everyday life. You don't have to. I don't like it. Okay, don't do it. That's not why I brought it up. I just don't like it. Okay, does it offend you if I say it? Honestly, yeah.

That's unforged for you because I can't be silent. That's unforged for you. I can't be censored. But good to know. Good to know. Yeah. That it does not pass muster.

I feel like today's episode is going to be like a lot about the numbers. Toast by the numbers. The first story will be by the numbers. The rest are just, you know, normal celeb fodder. We didn't get to chat, but there was a couple of things I wanted to make sure you included. So let me just run by. Did you include Sabrina Carpenter as a story? Yes, I did. Are you familiar with the lore of like the creator who is a part of this? No, no. She's like a streamer. Okay, I'll give you the tape. Okay. Second thing, Billboard announcing their number one.

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What can I say? Except you're welcome. Also not on my top 100 when real ones know. Real ones know. That it's there. Bet. Our first story, Taylor Swift has been named Spotify's most streamed artist for 2024 with over 26 billion streams. So as we shared, Spotify wrapped us here, you know, on an individual level, but a collective level as well. Right, I forget that there's like, you know, general stats that get released as well. Right, so...

Spotify's global head of editorial announced the top streamed artist globally of the year for the second year in row is Miss Taylor with more than 26.6 billion streams globally this year. If only I knew really what a stream meant, you know? I know. It's just a lot. TTPD came out this year, right? Of course. And then Midnight's came out. Okay. So for her to, I guess last year have like not released an album and still been the number one streaming artist because Midnight's came out in 2022. That's really impressive. Um,

I think this bodes well for, you know, Taylor's business and things. And the reason why I brought up the Beyonce thing is because we've been talking, I feel like everybody's been talking about Billboard announcing their big list of the world's greatest pop stars and who's number one, who's number one. And they announced yesterday that number one was Beyonce. It accompanied this big long article.

with all of her, you know, cultural impact and, you know, statements on her 25-year-long history. And the article actually opened up. So there were, I think, like 14 or 15 mentions of Taylor Swift in

In Beyonce's Billboard article, which like seriously, if I'm Beyonce, I'm mad. No. I'd rather, seriously, I'd rather have second place than first where every caveat is about Taylor. And the first paragraph of the whole fucking article ends with literally a statement that says, well, yes, if you're going to go by the numbers, streams and radio and airplay, if you want to get technical, Taylor Swift is the biggest. But we think Beyonce is because of her impact on culture. Yeah. I would be mad.

Yeah, actually in their opening argument for explaining why they chose Beyonce, they actually made a really great case for Taylor. I didn't even realize Taylor had all these accolades and what it really came down to, they said like cultural impact, but also Beyonce has taken up more of the quarter century because like literally she's older and Taylor didn't come into the game till like eight to 10 years later. For 25 years, Taylor's been making music for 17. So like they got her on a technicality. Like just because she's older.

Okay. I'm older. And then they're like, and she has like great music videos and photo shoots. I'm like photo shoots. Yeah. They, there's definitely a case for Beyonce to have been number one. Like it's such a subjective thing, but the article was like literally written by a Swifty. Like it was written by somebody who wanted to cast doubt on Beyonce. It was such a,

article. No, they wanted to address everything that everyone was going to say in response to this. And in doing that, they like they invalidated their argument. Right. And then this is also really interesting. So Spotify's most streamed artists of 2024 globally were announced. Taylor's number one, obviously. And now just like I hate to compare, but like Billboard fucking did this to us. Yeah. And like we everyone

Everyone's always like, don't compare the two greatest women. I wasn't going to. It was Billboard who did this because now I'm like, oh, Taylor was number one, but she's number two. So where's Beyonce? Beyonce was the number 41 most artist streamed the year globally and she had an album come out this year, a big album. Okay, so that's what's so crazy about it because...

not every year is going to be number one that's totally fine but if it's a year that you released an album and your cultural impact is what billboard says it is like you're okay maybe you're not gonna be number one you'll be in top five certainly top 10 so to be number 41 is actually really crazy so yeah now now I'm looking at Beyonce critically no now I'm really I never was I'm really sus now I would have never thought much about this and if if we weren't having this Beyonce Taylor conversation I might not even noticed or made note that number 41 on the list but like

That's really crazy. I thought people like listened to Cowboy Carter. I did. Was it in your top? She wasn't your top artist? No, it wasn't. Because I listened to it on release week. And that's, I think, how you know like the real difference between like an album and an album that feels like a real album. Do you listen to it when it's released? We all listen to hear it. But like were people listening to it on repeat? No, no. I listened to it to hear it. But then like I listened to it for like a week or two after too. Like I digested it.

There are albums from this year, Sabrina Taylor, that I am still actively listening to that came out months and months and months ago. I haven't really picked up Cowboy Carter since like two weeks past its release. Right. So it sounds like some other people didn't either. Now the party line on social media from like Swifties mostly and people who just don't agree with that Beyonce should be number one is that Jay-Z, you know, cut a check to Billboard to make Beyonce number one. Now I...

I don't think that's true. Me neither. Like, one, I don't think it's, like, feasible. That's not how these things work. But also, like, even if he could, like, do I think Beyonce and Jay-Z give a flying fuck what Billboard magazine said in some random article? No, and, like, why does this list... I doubt they know that this list... Why does this Billboard list have everyone in a tizzy? Like, on the one hand, I feel like they really stepped in it and regret ever doing it because everybody hates them. But on the other hand, like, we've never been talking about Billboard more in, like, their editorial department. So I can't tell if this is a win. Like, it's, like, no...

All press is good press, but we're not talking about them favorably. But like seriously, this list that's never come out before has everyone in a chokehold about its fairness. Yeah. No, and people are also pointing out it feels like so many people were left off the list. I didn't even realize until I saw it on Liz Wood's story. Pink. Right.

Where's pink on this list? Now, we know Kelly Clarkson was left off the list, but we're used to people like, you know, taking advantage of our girl and sleeping on her. Pink? Yeah. Pop star, but you put on a bunch of people who are not pop stars. Correct. You put on bands, which is literally the opposite of a pop star. Right. Let's go through most artists stream globally because it's just interesting. Number one. Oh, and the other thing, sorry, because you reminded me globally.

and I think this might be why Beyonce is so low on this list, is that one of the critiques that I've seen of Beyonce and why she shouldn't have been number one so much is that like, we know Beyonce, right? And we know Taylor. And Taylor is to us what she is to a fan in Sweden. Like her cultural impact is really uniform throughout the globe.

And what people had said is like Beyonce actually doesn't have that big of a carry in other countries. Oh really? Which is why she might be lower on that list. I would be curious, did they release a US list? Probably, but I only have the global one. I'm going to find the US one. Up in front of me. So number one, Taylor. Number two, The Weeknd. It's always surprising how high up he is. I know. And that's pretty consistent year after year. It's consistent. I've never sought out his music, but I know a lot of it. Like that's Impact. Impact.

Yeah, no, but he has like, you only get to this level if you have like serious, serious fans. And he just does, whether we are them or not. It's so crazy. Number three, Bad Bunny. Number four, Drake. Five, Billie Eilish. Six, Travis Scott. Seven, Peso Pluma. Eight, Kanye West. Nine, Ariana Grande. Ten, Fyde. Then just skipping down to the people, if you're wondering where they are. Number 19, Sabrina.

Number 20, Post Malone. 23, Rihanna. It's crazy that Sabrina had the number one most streamed song. Espresso was the most streamed song. But she's number 19. I believe the numbers here. Yeah, me too. Also, the other artists have like years and years of albums people are listening to. For Sabrina, like if they're just listening to one song, it doesn't count towards like a lot of minutes.

By the way, so the top 10 artists in the U.S., I don't know if they released beyond 10, but Beyonce is not in the top 10 for the U.S. Okay. But Metro Boomin is. Metro Boomin is number 17 globally. I don't know who that is, but I think I'm old. Also, Zach Bryan's 24 and Morgan Wallen's 28. I thought that was interesting. Say it again. Zach Bryan is number 24 globally. Oh, I thought you meant age. Oh, no. Number 24 globally. Zach Bryan, he's the biggest country artist globally.

He doesn't identify as country. Number 28 is Morgan Wallen, who I thought was the biggest country artist globally. Morgan Wallen did not release an album this year. Zach Bryan did. Okay. And Luke Holmes isn't on this list, which is kind of disgraceful that you guys aren't spending your time listening to him. The top 10 podcasts in the U.S. is interesting in the sense that there are a couple of people on here I've never heard of. And Theo Vaughn is the third most popular podcast. On Spotify. On Spotify.

On Spotify, which is true, but like, have you ever heard of Smosh Reads Reddit stories? No, but will you read the top 10 podcasts? Let's guess. You guess, okay? Okay, number one, Joe Rogan. Correct. Number two, maybe Armchair Expert? No. The Daily. No, but they both are on this list. Okay, give me a category. Comedy or news? Swirly. Swirly.

Yeah. Number two, swirly? Yeah. Call her daddy. You're forgetting. Okay. Number three, Theo Vaughn, you said. Number four, armchair expert? No. You're thinking like shows that we literally have heard of. Like we've heard of this one, but like it's really not our thing. So it's news? Crime Junkie. No. Crime Junkie. Yes. Five?

Armchair expert. No. The other one. Yes, yes. Six. Armchair. You're never going to guess this one. Okay, tell me. I literally didn't even know this person had a podcast. Bill Maher? No, similar. John Stewart? No. Take a right turn. Ben Shapiro? A little more right. More? Megyn Kelly? More. Oh, not Huberman. No, no. Keep going right. Right.

I bet you don't know this person as a podcast. Oh, Tucker Carlson. Yes. Eight. Are we up to eight? You're up to seven. And it's someone you've mentioned. Armchair X. No. Ben Shapiro. No. Who else did I mention? Megyn Kelly. We talked about him a lot this year. And I already met Bill Maher. Tim Dillon. Hubermeister. Oh, Huberman. Sorry. Okay. Yeah. Number nine. Eight. You're up to? Oh. Just...

Yes. Yay. And then nine and 10 are the shows I hadn't heard of. Smosh reads Reddit stories and the Sean Ryan show. Okay, cool. That's fun. I love stats like this. And it sounds like people are having fun with their podcasts. Sort of. Oh, and you know, Apple music did like their own. It's called Apple music replay. Taylor was also the number one artist, but I'm really not interested in the rest of their. I would want Apple's podcast.

Yes, I actually would love that because that's where most people listen to podcasts. Yeah, so that would be interesting. I'm not interested in their music. Yeah. It's just, no. So that's the year in music.

It was a very good year. It was a good year. And it reminded me because the only song in my top five that wasn't children's music was We Can't Be Friends by Ariana Grande. And I just want to say I love that song. I'm listening to it again having a renaissance. And she was snubbed by the Grammys. The amount of

streams on that song. It's like over a billion compared to other songs that were nominated that didn't have that. And I feel like when they were doing the nominations, she was kind of out of fashion because of the affair and like people weren't about her. And like now everyone's loving her because of Wicked. And they're like, they were two weeks too late with their, too early with their nominations. So I feel like if it was now, now they shut Ariana Grande out of the Grammys, really want to do that. She's the biggest star in the world right now. Cool. And now she's not going to come. Yeah. Cool. You played yourself. For, you know, best pop, best,

vocal album she should have been nominated for song of the year but that that's it I don't disagree I don't disagree so you played yourself yeah are you ready for our next story I am Sabrina Carpenter and Barry Keoghan break up after a year of dating

Some good news of the day. Oh my God. Well, it's so layered. One, like let's just talk about the breakup because we have long kind of been advocates against this relationship. She can do so much better in so many different, when he was like having his salt burn moment and everybody was briefly obsessed with him and then it turns out like, oh man, he's actually been dating Sabrina Carpenter and she was really on the rise. I loved it.

After that, like it wasn't working for me. I just, I don't like it. Yeah. So they have been like on and off for a while, but now it's coming out that they've decided to take a break. So I guess that means like break up and not get back together. What's the difference between on and off? I don't know, but this seems final and I'm going to take the win. But what's the bit that you wanted to share? So the reason why it seems final is like because something happened. Like he cheated on Breener. Loser.

In early November. Loser sneeze. Let me tell you the girl. Early November. Disgusting. She's like a streamer, TikToker, whatever. This was all on DuMois. And then one of the girls' former friends, Livvy Dunn. You know gymnast? Dunn from our picture. She kind of confirmed it. She made a TikTok basically saying, when the person you knew sucks, now everyone knows. Everyone's getting involved. So this is what...

Demois said on the closing night of her biggest tour to date in L.A., he was busy getting very cozy at San Vicente bungalows with a blonde, semi-famous L.A.-based influencer who's particularly big on TikTok. Now, people...

did their work and they were doing research and then the girl like kind of confirmed it and it was giving very much that girl who said that she had sex with Tommy Fury but the only difference was like this girl wasn't haggard looking she's actually like very cute and like we wanted Sabrina and Barry to break up and they don't have a kid together and that's good so she's and that's a girl who's a streamer wait I have to find her name I don't know why they're making it so hard like she plays games on the internet right what's her name oh yeah Brecky Hill yeah she plays games on the internet

She's like TikTok. I saw somewhere that she was a streamer. I don't really know what that means. She's a social media personality with over 4 million followers on TikTok. So maybe she's just a TikToker. Okay. Okay. Okay. And she's friends with Libby Dunn. I think at one point, I think they had like a falling out. I'm team Libby. A lot. When the gossip gained traction, many users on social media began to criticize Hill for seemingly capitalizing on the situation. She quickly became a focal point in the speculation after she reposted several TikToks

discussing the breakup so she was like kind of flexing like yeah look they broke up and it was me like reposting these videos she shared them shortly after she shared them shortly after the rumors began circulating and then it led to further rumors linking her so she's like very subtly um like confirming and like kind of proud of the fact and while I didn't want these two to break up like being a homewrecking slut sorry is nothing to be proud of yeah like we're still don't like you but

I'm glad they broke up. And I'm sorry that Brainerd's going through heartbreak, but you know it's going to make her stronger. I just think it's so crazy. And it's going to lead her to the person she's meant to be with. You can be Brainerd, right? Top of the world. Top of the heap, right? Literally the most gorgeous girl on the planet. Having success like you've never seen. And you're literally doing charity being with this rat face, ugly man, okay? And he has the audacity on a night like that's important to you.

To step out on you. No, it's so crazy. I mean, if you've ever been like cheated on, this actually should make you feel good. Like there's nothing wrong with you. Yeah. No, it's... It happens to the best of us. Yeah. And it's a gift because it shows you who this person is and it takes you out of this relationship you shouldn't be in. That's what we're saying. She should not be with this man. And so like...

So yeah, everything is like moot because we're happy about them. But you know, wrong is wrong and right is right. It's true. And I'm like, and it shouldn't have gone down this way. It should have gone down because Sabrina woke up one day and took her goggles off her Barry goggles and said, I don't want to be here anymore.

Um, where as a culture did we land on the word slut? Like at one point, like that was getting you canceled. And then Amber Rose, I kind of brought it back. And Taylor has that song. Right. And like, I understand why it's derogatory. I did just use it. But like, is my career over? I think it's okay. And I think it's a good word. It's descriptive. And I kind of like that we had to stop.

I like that we kind of had to stop using it because maybe it was getting overused. And now, like, if somebody's using it, like, you're a slut. Like, it feels sharp. Yeah. Whereas maybe at one point it was kind of dull. Like, we were overusing it too much. Yeah, yeah. And you were calling people it for, like, you know, just being. Like wearing a short skirt. Sorry, that doesn't make you a slut. Yeah, just not called for. It doesn't mean that the word doesn't exist and that it doesn't have meaning. Right, right. I think the problem, one of the issues was, like, what's the male equivalent? Yeah.

And now I feel like we have a few, like fuck boy. Yeah. And why can't a man be like a whore? Yeah, he can. Yeah. Man whore. We literally have that word. Whore is a good word too. Whore. I also like hooker. Do I like the word hooker? That's a good question. Let me think. Let me think. Because, no, it doesn't, it doesn't, like, the word slut feels like a tongue lashing. But I just like, oh, that hooker. Yeah, that's good too. It's good.

Are you ready for our next story? But if they call me a slut. I don't like that song though. I actually agree. When I saw the title of the bonus tracks for 1989 and there was one called All Caps Slut! I thought it was going to be like, shout out to my ex, slut. Like something like really pop anthony. And it kind of was giving like slow ballad slut. Oh, by the way, I just need to make a note because of the chart data that we have. Um,

Let me see if she's here at all because I'm not seeing Charlie XCX. And so that's actually surprising because Brat was Brat. They have you thinking that Brat took over the world. It was took over the internet. But yeah, there was a conspiracy theory that like Brat is an industry plan. Brat is an industry plan. Was there a theory outside of me? Yeah. Yeah. I need to meet my people.

um that like brad's in a simulation or something like because if you look culturally brad is everywhere i mean it became one of the presidential nominees like aesthetic right for her campaign so you would think it was like gtpd level and she is noticeably missing and they're saying brad should be album of the year she wasn't top 50 stream artists globally no i didn't know that because i actually would say you know brad kind of was the album of the year but

Because the simulation made me think that. Maybe you just forgot to take your VR goggles off. Yeah, perhaps. So that's just worth noting. It is. Our third story is seriously so crazy and...

Is it Azalea Banks versus Mattie Healy? No, it's Vicky Gumbelson on the Vile Files. Vicky Gumbelson was caught trash talking Nick Vile's podcast in a shocking hot mic moment post-interview. So Vicky Gumbelson went on the Vile Files remotely from the beach. She called in. She did a little interview. She was so in Puerto Vallarta at Rehabilitation.

She was whooping it up at Andalus. 100%. And then, you know, they say their goodbyes and she forgot to end the Zoom call, of course, and starts talking about the show. And they left it in. She goes, that was a favor to her dad. He's got 7 million views. Unclear who's dad, whose views. So at first I was thinking that she was saying she was doing it as a favor to Natalie, who's Nick's co-host and his wife, Natalie's dad or something. Maybe they know each other. And he's a farmer. Yeah.

But then she was like, he's got 7 million views. So I'm pretty sure they were maybe I think Vicky thinks that Natalie is Nick's son, a daughter. Excuse me. Yeah. So I think 7 million views has to do with the show. Then she goes on to explain his credential. She goes, I was a guest on his show. He's got his own network, his own show, his own thing. I've never heard of him.

She went on to mispronounce his last name. I heard her say Nick Biles, but maybe she said Nick Viles. Either way, wrong. Jackie, I just saw the funniest TikTok about Nick Viles' last name pronunciation. Because, you know, people always say it's so true. Like the Vile Files is probably one of the best titled podcasts on the planet. Yeah.

Except when you do the proper research and you find out that Nick Viall's last name is actually Nick Viall. Yeah, and he's told us, I know that somewhere. And anytime he's ever been, like they were playing old, in his TikTok, old clips of him on The Bachelor, like, and it was pronounced everywhere, Nick Viall. So it's actually the Viall Vialls.

And it's just like the tiniest flaw in an otherwise perfect title. And it was cracking me up. I think like everybody just started, everybody ignored the proper pronunciation of his name. So we just like leaned into it. Well, they're calling me vial anyway. I might as well take the vial files. The vial files is very fun to me.

Now, the internet is divided on whether or not Nick should have kept in this hot mic moment. Because at the end of the day, Vicky didn't say anything outright terrible. Just like, you know, every time you... First of all, I so relate to Vicky on this. Anytime I hang up, whether it's like someone I know, customer service, and I'm on the beach, especially having a cocktail. Like, I'm saying something nasty about the person I just hung up with. Like, sorry, it's the human experience. She really didn't even say anything that bad. And so if this were us... Mm-hmm.

We would like send the recording to literally everyone we know, but we would not have shared it like publicly as a part of the episode, right? I don't think so. But I also feel like at the end of the day, this it's kind of, she didn't say anything bad. Like this, it was just like an awkward moment. The only people she was offending were them. Like it's up to them what they want to do. It's not like she said something and like they're posting and it could end her career. And it's like, she, right. Like,

So I don't really have an issue with them posting it. It's also so Vicky. I'm sure she's cracking up. I don't think she's like hiding in her room embarrassed. I think she's like, oops.

I don't have an issue with them posting it either. I do wonder if this, because they're a guest-based show, if this has potential repercussions to turn people off. I don't think so, because I really think most people can be okay to hang up the phone. And he said on this, like... This is so housewives. They said here, like, the OC women, I think they have a history of not ending phone calls and then going on to talk shit. Like, it's so congruous with them. I genuinely think it's so harmless. Of course, it's so cringe. But I don't think...

It will, I don't think it's bad. Look for vile pals. And honestly, it's such a funny moment. Everyone's talking about it. We're talking about Vicky. And again, like I only have like funny thoughts about this. I, it doesn't make me like dislike her or anything. She's just hysterical. And of course, like she, you know, she sells insurance and she's like 50 plus. Like she does not listening to the vile pals. I didn't expect her to be.

I do think she even knows at this moment. I mean, it's gone so viral. There's a chance she doesn't even know about this. She's on vacation. That's true. I think it's so funny. I'm surprised shit like this doesn't happen more often.

But I guess like really how hard is it to hang up a Zoom? Yeah. And she had. Because even if you don't know how to hang up, like it could have been that like she didn't hang up, but someone from Nick's team did automatically. But nobody hung up. Right. Right. She said that she made it. She did also make it clear early in the interview that she didn't want to be there because she she said she canceled the interview and I didn't know that they didn't cancel it. And she's had 400 meetings. So she had to like go through with it. Like, no, she sounds like a dream guest. Honestly, like she's very authentic.

And aren't we always asking for authenticity? Vicky's gonna Vicky. Yeah. And they weren't offended. Natalie was like, she's an icon. This is hysterical. She was like, I was sweating. And yeah, until the clip is over, I'm like clenching my butt. No, because by the way, in the privacy of, she's obviously sitting with like a friend or a boyfriend, like in the privacy of like a, you could say anything. Of all the things she could have said after hanging up from an interview she didn't want to be on, like it's actually really not that bad.

No if I didn't interview that like for some reason I found offensive like she obviously like had a problem with this interview and like I really didn't want to do it and I hung up and I'm sitting with Ben I would have been like these fucking morons like I would have said something like that. So you know what it could have been so much worse. So I think this is actually just funny and fun all around. Yeah for the most part harmless. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story?

Yeah. We have also Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. I totally forgot to mention that at the top of the show. Yes. Our next story is not funny and fun all around because Khloe Kardashian claims that an old therapist leaked private information from her session to a tabloid. And that's why she did not go to therapy for years and instead sought therapy in the gym. So she...

sat down with bustle for an interview published on Tuesday. And she talks about how she turned to the gym as a form of therapy after being betrayed by her therapist. She revealed she started working through her mental health struggles with exercise after her former counselor allegedly breached doctor patient privilege amid her divorce from Lamar. She said, I remember I was going to therapy and the next thing I knew something private. I told my therapist was on a tabloid and I knew that my therapist disclosed this information to a tabloid because there's no way this could have gotten out there. Right.

She did not disclose exactly what her therapist leaked about the marriage. And she said the traumatic experience kickstarted her love for fitness. It ruined her relationship with therapy for nearly a decade. She said, I stopped going to therapy and started going to the gym. I needed a release, but I did not trust anyone else anymore. And the place that I felt the safest was the gym. She called the experience very jarring and sort of unbelievable and insisted there's not a chance in the world that it came from anyone else.

She refused to seek help for years as a result of the betrayal until her older sister Kim finally convinced her to give it another shot. She said, I started when I was 39, noting that her new doctor is really lovely. She said, I really like her. It's actually Kim's therapist. Kim was really adamant. I was like, I'll do this for you. I dragged my feet and then I was like, wow, okay, this is good. I needed this. Turns out she had a lot to unpack from the years. Her therapist was like, I think you should come three days a week. She was like, you really need to be here. And it all worked out.

I mean, I feel like this is like regular people's worst nightmare. I think a lot of people don't go to therapy because like the concept of bearing like the worst parts of yourself to a human being who technically could run and tell someone is like a real fear. Although, you know, you're kind of irrelevant. No one cares what's going on in your brain. Yeah, I wouldn't even expect that that's a fear of...

of a top tier fear. I think it is. I think it is. I think it keeps people from doing therapy. Just like saying the quiet part out loud, like things you've never said. Yeah. Well, that's just hard period, let alone then having to be concerned about a breach of trust. But I wonder if this keeps celebrities out of therapy.

I think definitely because I think it crosses people's mind who aren't celebrities. And so that fear is probably tenfold when you actually, your thoughts are, would be interesting to other people, lots of other people. And, you know, that HIPAA and that confidentiality, it's kind of like, yeah, it's the law, right? But like, there's something like, you're not handcuffed. Like this person has free will. They could abide by the HIPAA or not. Like it's a lot of trust. Yeah, of course. No, there are consequences, but it's not like.

I am sure, I am 100% sure that woman is no longer a practicing therapist. Good. Because also, she's like running in fabulous circles where she's getting recommended to Khloe Kardashian. She's working with other people of note, and I don't think Khloe would just let this lady...

Yeah. Also, I think it makes sense to like share a therapist with your family members because then the therapist is like actually a really good picture of everything that's going on. And like you can't just like talk about the other person and they just think that other person's like the devil and never meet them. And it's like, oh, if she really has all sides separately, she can give informed advice. Not that that's not going to therapy because of Kim. But I actually think it's like if she's really in your world, it's it. It sounds like a good idea.

Do you remember that episode of Kardashians keeping up with the Kardashians like on E where they had like a family therapist come and they all like Rob, everyone, Caitlin, they had everyone come sit down. I think it turned into a referendum on Rob. Yeah. Yeah, I do.

That was like, seriously, you, I don't know what they got paid. I think it was just a regular episode of the Kardashians. You couldn't pay me. And I think it's very common for people to go to different versions of therapy, counseling, group therapy on reality TV. And I know it's like staged, but you're still talking about real things. To me, not only do I, as a viewer, like I genuinely find it uninteresting, but like it's so personal. I wish they would stop doing that. I know.

they would stop doing that. Like it's not even, it's not even juicy. No, and it's like when someone's finally going to therapy and it's like you're doing it on camera that's not, it's kind of against like, it's the opposite of what it should be and I also don't give a shit.

Right. One of the first like memories I have of watching somebody go to therapy was Kourtney Kardashian was like a very early adapter. She was like one of the only girls going to therapy in her family and she would always film it. I'm like, that's really so crazy. Also something similar. This is the second thing that sort of like HIPAA violation has happened to the Kardashians. Remember when Scott entered like a rehabilitation program and it was COVID. So it was all done on Zoom and somebody took a screenshot and sent it to like a tabloid. Yeah. Also, I feel like I remember Jax Taylor going to therapy. I don't know.

I don't care. Yeah. When people go to couples therapy on camera for the first time, it's like, it's not a good sign. You know, you're not serious about the work. It's so true. And as a viewer, can't stress enough how uninteresting it is. Yeah. I really don't give a fuck. It's a lose-lose. I guess they get to film minutes. No, I feel so awkward. I'm just like, please, get me out of here. Yeah. No, and it's like, if it's something that you would share to the entire world, but you have no inner thoughts or you're not sharing your inner thoughts, and in that case, it's pointless. Yeah, that. Yeah.

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What can I say? Our fifth and final story, a little documentary news because Aaron Rodgers' Enigma is coming to Netflix. Aaron Rodgers has a new docuseries on Netflix that will be chronicling his time and his comeback from his Achilles heel injury.

pass like seriously have you seen the Jets they are stinking it up like sorry Aaron Rodgers there's no happy ending to the story like yeah he came back healthier and what to play worse than ever like the Aaron Rodgers story in New York is so depressing and like help us seriously you were supposed to help that is so funny so the trailer dropped for Aaron Rodgers Enigma is what it's called okay Erica Jane it's okay Churchill

It's a three part. What? That's that Erica Jane quote. I'm an enigma wrapped in riddle and cash is a derivative of a Churchill quote, which is why she's our queen. Interesting. Yeah. Um, it,

It's a three-part documentary series that will come out on December 17th. He talks about losing friendships, family due to his views. He talks about how it was heartbreaking. He shares about his Achilles heel. And then he also talks about the future of his career. And he talked a lot about, in the trailer, like about RFK asking him to be his VP pick and how when he was down and out, he had like two choices, like to heal and play football.

Football still or run for vice president? I can't. No, seriously, this is so unserious. I'm like so over Aaron Rodgers. That is so crazy. I thought you were obsessed. That's your boy. No, no, he was cute. That's your boy. He was really cute. Like his celebrity connections. Like I loved when he dated Danica. I loved, of course, the Olivia Munn. I loved the Shailene Woodley. And then when he was coming to New York, I was like, woohoo. And he's just like kind of done nothing but disappoint me. And every time he's like in the news doing interviews, he's like on Zoom in this like turnt dark cellar. Like talking shit. Yeah.

Yeah, like looking so phobosina and like sourpuss. Like he's just like really pissing me off. I'm going to watch this documentary because I feel like a lot is said about Aaron Rodgers. And I don't watch those interviews of him on Pat McAfee talking shit for a living. But like he's just like going on Pat McAfee like angry all the time. Yeah, no, like just roasting everyone. And then I only see like quotes. I'm like, oh, Aaron, that's not nice. But I really. No, and by the way, let me tell you where Aaron Rodgers had me.

When he was beefing with Jimmy Kimmel, like obsessed. I literally dreamed to be with Jimmy Kimmel. That's peak Aaron for you? That's peak Aaron. And it all just kind of went downhill after there, like seriously. And the way like he had this miraculous recovery and I was like, he's going to bring, Jackie, seriously, the Jets haven't won a game in weeks. Like what are you doing if not helping? Well, I'll find out in the documentary. And I want to hear it from Aaron's self. There's much ado about Aaron. Do you think he's going to talk about Jordan and JoJo?

That's a great question. I think it would have been in the trailer, but I'm going to hold space. That's a reason to tune in. That's a reason to tune in. Maybe a little Shailene. That's a reason. Then a big part of this documentary is him talking about his spiritual journey.

Okay like I said this is like where people when they go to therapy on reality TV like they lose me I'm uninterested. Yeah but I'm going to give it a shot. So that's December 17th and it's like a good thing to watch with your husband or boyfriend that's like yes that's good for everyone. So I'm here for it I'm here for it I like these docu- that's like I can get into those like the Martha one like I really I like it's quick Ashley Madison like three episodes two episodes and we're done I learned something great.

Yes, I think the issue is that to carry a documentary, I think you need to be like beaming with personality. And I think like Martha was so successful at that. I'm sure they had tons of footage to leave on the cutting room floor. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just judging. But like Aaron Rodgers doesn't seem like the type of guy who's going to like dazzle me through the screen. Like he just doesn't. I don't think he's going to dazzle, but I don't think he's boring.

As you said, like he hops online. Do you think he affies boring? I think he affies boring for sure. Like him or dislike him. Like everyone's always talking about him. So if you're an Aaron Swirly, which I thought that we were, December 17th on Netflix. He lost me. Like when he started, like he's literally like not good at his job. So if you're gonna like talk so much shit, that's fine. But you have to like back it up. Is there a chance that, is it really his playing that's sinking the team or is it everyone else?

No, I mean, they're not a great team, but you have allegedly one of the league's greatest quarterbacks. And I guess Tom Brady always made it work. Right. They can run. There's not much for them to do. Everybody knows a quarterback is kind of the most important one. Aaron should go to the 49ers because what they need is a star quarterback. But the thing is, I don't – I actually don't think – I think actually Brock Purdy is probably a better current quarterback.

quarterback than Aaron Rodgers yeah but the thing about the 49ers is that they have like spent all their money on talent across the field and they don't have that like you know franchise quarterback but they are so amazing because they have so much amazing talent but if they had an amazing quarterback they would have won the Super Bowl that's like what I've heard even though I love Brock and if anyone says a bad word about him like I will come for you even though I'm saying about him

There are two quarterbacks who I remember. I don't know if they were the same year, but like there was so much hype for them. Joe Burrow, one he's like so handsome, but also that cutie Trevor Lawrence, who in my opinion looks like Kylie Kelsey. The two of them are like, yes, if you ever look at them face, it's kind of giving like Hannah Brown and Whitney's husband. And Whitney's dad. Whitney's husband. Trevor Lawrence. Kylie Kelsey and Trevor Lawrence have the same exact face. Like you'll see. And they also have the same hair. Oh, cute. Because he has like long blonde hair. I've never seen him with his helmet off.

No, he's cute. And his wife is expecting like they're really cute. There was a lot of hype. They were like these huge college football players. And then they got drafted and like to like bad teams. Like they're kind of wasting away on these two. No, I'm sorry to like everyone on the green and orange teams. But like weenie, one of them needs to go to the Niners. Yeah. But they don't have like the budget because they pay everyone else a lot. And that works for them. Christian. Yeah. Yeah.

What was the story? Aaron Rodgers. Oh, Aaron Rodgers, yeah. So speaking of television, let's dive into our Real Housewives of Beverly Hills weekly recap. Last night was another episode and like seriously, two moments they've been teasing like this season thus far were both in the episode and they were both so anticlimactic. Like one, Dorit falling. How many times do we have to watch it? Like it was actually embarrassing for her. And two, God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Listen. Yes.

Yeah. No, the fact that they hit us with a to be continued over that dinner spat, it's like really not boding well for the season. The bar is in hell. It's, I understand you want to drag the rest of the fight till the next episode, but like, don't give us to be continued. I'm not on the edge of my seat and I did want to see pre, I wanted to see previews for next week. That's the thing that's annoying about TBC. We don't get previews for next week. And like,

Don't you want me to... Like, I need to be a little titillated because I like the women of Beverly Hills. Like, even when they're just sitting around the table, like, they're fun to watch. Agreed. But this season, like, isn't great. I don't really know how much better it's going to get. Especially because...

The cornerstone of the season is the fight between Kyle and Dorit, which should be like meaty because they were really close. They've been on forever. The issue, though, is that the reason why they're feuding is very confusing. So it's hard for us to like galvanize and get on someone's side because I don't know what the fuck's going on.

The same, except that I felt last night at that dinner was the most clarity we've gotten up until this point where they were pulling out examples because we knew the BravoCon thing, which was so nothing. And I'm glad they showed that clip of Erica. I'm glad Erica's like taking a little bit of a stand while also staying in the middle. I'm glad they showed her reaction because it's such a nothing burger. And I felt like that conversation, and I'm sure we'll see the other half of it, was such a bad look for Kyle because she looked so small and so stupid. Every example. And then then cutting to the clip. What was the second one? Oh, well, you didn't speak up for Teddy. Teddy.

Are you fucking okay? Clearly Kyle had a horrible time at BravoCon and decided to take it all out on, it was Dorit's fault. And she's like not letting it go. It was such a bad episode for Kyle because I also think the sit down with Mauricio was so awkward. And I think we got a little bit more clarity into the current status of their relationship, which is that like,

Mauricio's out and Kyle would be in if he would be in. It's not even clear if Kyle would be in. But then it makes it so confusing with Morgan Wade. Right, like they split up. You know, Mauricio, I think, had a foot out the door, but like Kyle was also pushing him out the door. And now it's like, even if, she couldn't even answer the question, like, do you want to get back together with Mauricio? Because she doesn't know. And like, they're saying he's going to Greece, which we know there's some pictures of him with the girl. So I think that probably comes out next week and that's going to be like earth shattering for Kyle because she just thinks he's like living in his apartment and,

And it is very, it's a weird spot that they're in. Yeah. So I felt like the whole episode was just like, Kyle's so hard to root for. And like, you have sympathy that she's going through this thing, but like, so is Dorit. And Dorit seems like her situation seems toxic now. Like her and PK aren't getting along. He has this alcohol problem. The kids are losing their mind. Her kids are younger. Her situation, like not that I would ever want to be in either of them, but I'd rather be in Kyle's.

And you know Dorit and PK definitely have some like fucking money issues that they've never really fully dived into. And a divorce will exasperate that. So there's a lot going on in Dorit. And I feel like she's keeping it together for the most part. And I do feel in the argument like she is right. Like I think she has a lot to be mad at Kyle about. And I think behind the scenes, the way she explains it, I can actually see their friendship being like unbalanced. And like Kyle's in charge. And she's just like kind of tired of being a doormat. Yeah, and it's like Dorit could make an infraction and Kyle would punish her differently than she would punish anyone else in the group.

So when Kyle's like, you're acting so different, Kyle, Dorit's like, yeah, I'm not letting you push me around anymore. I'm like, that's clearly an issue for you. So let's get into it. What the hell was like when it was brought up twice by Sutton and Garcelle. And you know, I love Garcelle. Like sometimes she's like a dog with a bone with the wrong things. Like her and Sutton being like so offended that Boze and Dorit were having a conversation at the end of the table. Like, and then Garcelle's like, I mean, give us a chance to get to know Boze.

Fucking try. Dorit went to her house. Make an effort. Dorit is talking at the end of the table to Bose about her personal life. Meanwhile, every time Dorit speaks, you say she talks too much, but she should share these personal details with you, even though you don't like listening to her speak. That was like so transparent to me. It's like you either just want to hear about Dorit's pain or you just want to find fault with Dorit, but...

It's a long table. It's not even a circular table. There's going to be conversations at one end and conversations at the other. And like, sorry that you're at this end. And then they brought it up again, like trying to make it seem like Dorit was doing something wrong. Like Dorit's obviously going through something. She's talking to the person across the table for her, like why she's in a bad, stressful mood.

And I actually don't think it's weird that Dorit like met this person for the first time and like unloaded on her. I think that that's oddly like very common. And everyone in the group has like, so they know PK. They're like, everyone has their preconceived notions. Like this is just like a fresh person who seems really sound of mind and seems smart. And like, maybe she would give good advice. Like I could see you just like being drawn to her energy. It's literally not. And Garcelle saying she's like getting close to Bose because Bose doesn't know like Dorit or have history with her. Like that's what

someone like I don't who's so on the outside like Danielle Stab would do who it's like I'm literally have no other friends in this group so I'm gonna be a new person that's literally not what's going on here they obviously just have like things in common connection and that's like literally what happens when you meet people you either have a connection with them or you don't

And let me tell you something else Garcelle was doing that was bothering me. Like, and you know I ride for her, but like sometimes she's really hard to defend. Like a lot of the women were doing this, like in their confessionals, like making fun of Kathy's like afternoon of relay races. Meanwhile, they cut to them on the beach. The women are laughing. I've never seen them have so much fun. And first of all, you know, that's like my dream afternoon, like playing Duck, Duck, Goose. Like I love games like that. And I actually like inspo. I think Kathy is so funny. And it really, the whole point of the trip was like, Kyle's going through a lot. Dorit's going like just,

to get everyone to laugh and relax it's not supposed to be so serious mission accomplished and everybody in their confessionals like being like this what are we 11 like it's funny stop like everybody was having a good time they were it was really funny and the trip looked amazing I'm glad that Kathy planned the trip I like seeing Kathy doing Kathy things and I loved those hats I thought everybody who put the hat on looked amazing in the hat I agree Erica said it was small on her head she looked so like the minute the lampshade came down everyone looked fantastic I want one

There was a sad moment in the episode when they were at Kathy's kitchen, like getting ready to get on the sprinter and Jennifer Tilly comes in with like her sick Louis Vuitton travel cases. And Erica's like looking, it wasn't even so much envy. It was kind of like a longing. Like there was a time where she could have, she had a relationship with Louis Vuitton if she wanted a custom, you know, Hollywood walk of fame hat box. Like,

It was kind of like a glimpse into a former life and she lives well and she could buy herself nice things, but that's another level. And it made me sad for her. Yeah, I love her so much. I want. She's having an amazing season. I want just the best for her. She's worked so hard to like sustain a lifestyle, like to do, to live the way that she used to live on like a single income, you know, not stealing from victims. Lifestyle orphans and widows. Right. So she's just so great. She's a really great friend. She's really a voice of reason. I wish she would like,

Get involved a little bit more. But I understand. Like she had a couple really hard seasons. Where she was the center of conversation all the time. And I think right now she's just like. Okay you guys take the heat for a second. She's happy taking a backseat. But like I need. I need a billionaire businessman beau for her. Like today. Me as well. Even though I don't even know if she would like go for that anymore. She's just been so burned. I know. She's scarred.

So we found out about Jelena Fertilli and her income. Her husband was The Simpsons. She has 10% of The Simpsons and no one thought it was. She didn't say 10%. She just said a piece. Oh, did she not say 10%? No. And when they were getting divorced, it was just like a popular show. They had no idea it was going to go on for, what is it, like their 45th season. The only thing that confuses me is her house being so small. I guess she's just one person. Like how big of a house do you need? But like if I owned a chunk of The Simpsons, like I would have a bigger house. But you know, different strokes. Different strokes for different folks. Yeah.

I don't find, and I just, I love a rich person on this show, so I have no problem with her. I don't find that she adds much. I think she's like a little kooky, but I'll hold off until I see more. Yeah, no, and this expectation that we all know and love Jennifer Tilly, like, can we get, we got to know her a little bit last night, so like the context was good, but like still, I don't know her. Who is this person? I think her ex-husband, by the way, and they didn't mention this, but I saw it on Twitter, he has passed away. Oh, sad. Yeah.

I think he passed away in 2015 from cancer, which I thought was odd that they didn't show that. Yeah. Maybe her and Bose will connect. Perhaps. So it was like a Nothing Burger episode, but nice to see the gals like being rich. Got to go to Oceanside. Like learning about new destinations, being party and fashionable. And yeah, it's always a pleasant watch because of that. And I think they should wear this hat to the party tonight. Thousand percent.

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