Love is Nauseating: Monday, October 7th, 2024
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Good morning, Millennials. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Monday, y'all. Get down diggity with y'all. Hey, Jax. Did you leave us being Southern on the last episode? Was that the last episode? It's possible. And you came back Southern? Because I definitely did that last week. I did not do that on purpose. I just want to say. Like, I'm just... No, you're just still Southern, even though it's been like five days since we saw you. Yes, we haven't seen The Toaster since Wednesday. Hope everybody had an amazing time off. I did. I did.

I did. It was the Chag. It was Rosh Hashanah. I can't believe that was a really long break. It was a really long break. Feeling grateful to the Lord for putting the kind of long Jewish holiday on starting on a Wednesday night. So we got two days off. Now what the Lord giveth, the Lord taketh away because another holiday that we have coming up, which usually is blessed enough to fall on a weekday, falls on a Saturday. This week, you guys know every year we start talking about Yom Kippur. At the end of like July, we actually have not talked about Yom Kippur as much as we have in previous years this year.

Yeah, kind of a big day, a somber day in the Jewish community. Our biggest holiday where we have to fast for 25 hours. This year is on a Saturday, just to kind of like add insult to injury. It's so wrong. However, like you can't have Rosh Hashanah starting on a Wednesday without Yom Kippur on a Saturday because the holidays are 10 days apart. But I would rather like have Rosh Hashanah start on a, I guess Thursday would make Yom Kippur Sunday also shitty. Worse actually. Yeah.

And Friday, Monday, I guess Tuesday, because then that Friday that would be on technically, they're not going to make you come in. There's really no like good way to fast. That's the other thing. So I can't believe we haven't talked. Like usually we start dreading Yom Kippur. Maybe we're growing up. We usually start talking about like how close we're getting. Seriously, six months out. We have not even talked about it once.

I feel like it makes it harder and worse when we're dreading it so much. I completely agree. Like, if we just keep it to the one day, like, we could take our power back. And we're not going to keep it to the one day because we have to talk about it every day this week. Okay. And let's talk about it today. I...

I'm not excited. I also like am due for my period in the next couple of days, like probably on the weekend. And so I'm already feeling like angry and hungry. A luteal yom. Yeah. And I actually can't remember the last time my cycle synced up with the yom kippur. Like that to me, that's God being like, listen, you were extra bad this year. Like you need to repent even harder. So I'm listening and I'm learning to God.

That's beautiful. Thank you. How was your Chag? It was actually, it's one of my favorite holidays, Rosh Hashanah. It's our, like the Jewish calendar is different than like the calendar, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. And we celebrate the new year usually around this time of year. And it's such a great holiday filled with like, it's easy, it's food, it's light, it's family. It's food.

It's fun. It's joy. It's celebration. My Roche was really great. You maybe didn't hear from me a lot because I was vlogging. So my phone was in use. I made a whole Roche-A-Chant vlog of the two nights of Roche. It's going to be up today on patreon.com slash the toast. I really like put my heart into it. So...

I hope that you guys like it. You'll get to learn a little something about the custom, see what I'm cooking, see what I've got brewing. Did you have a musical performance in there of you singing the classic tune? Dip the apple in the honey. Say the bra loud and clear. La Shana Tova. Umetuka. Have a happy sweet new year. What's funny is I actually did sing that in the video at one point and in the final cut I took it out. Jackie! No! I mean like a

I could put it back in. Okay, wait. Do you want me to put it back in? Is it too late? No, I just exported from iMovie, but that's really quick. It's not like I uploaded to Patreon. The people deserve the performance. I'll put it back. I'll put it back in after the toast today. We have so much to do today. Now, it was just a really long vlog, so like I was trying to keep it. Who cares?

tight I know you know me I'm always I'm one for tight I like I like short content like sure I I get it I like long I actually really like vlogging I feel like if I wasn't a podcaster I would be a vlogger I enjoy the process you know what I could see that life for you like you'd be like a lot of people's like comfort youtuber just like you cooking and like you know sharing things about like beauty and home and mom stuff I could see that very Molly Mae of you

Yeah, I think she really made me fall in love with vlogging. Two things. Do I look any different today? You look different every day. No, come on. She's smiling. She's wearing my sweatshirt. Oh, yeah, shit.

So you look different because you're wearing a sweatshirt that doesn't belong to you. I think we've kind of like made peace with the fact that this sweatshirt belongs to me. It's actually like a core tenant of me. So I will be getting it back. But like next time I'm at your house and I need to borrow a sweatshirt, it'll be that one. We don't have to like make it an official ceremony. Okay, so I guess you didn't notice, but like I went to Sephora yesterday and like I just got like... You know what? I could expand my view of you on my computer. It is a little small. No, no, no, Jackie. Maybe I would have noticed. You're not going to notice. Okay, okay, hold on. Now I feel stupid. Like...

But tell me what you did. I just went to Sephora and like got like some random new products. And I was like wondering if I was looking like extra gorgeous. I don't think you making me bigger on your screen is going to help. Like. Okay. So definitely you're wearing more eyeshadow. And you have like a new color lipstick, more of a plum. Okay, both things I've been using for years. Okay. You know, I just got like a new contour stick, new eyebrow pencil, new foundation. You got a new eyeshadow. No, I didn't get a new eyeshadow. Okay. And I went back to straight hair. I just kind of have like a busy week and I can't be bothered to do anything but like flat iron my hair to death. You know, I just want to crisp it.

We can't even talk. You know, today's October 7th. I meant to, I'm sorry, I meant to do this right at the top of the show, but I just got lost in conversation with my swirly. No, I actually can't believe that for five minutes I was distracted from it because like it's all I've been thinking about like in the last few days, all the accounts that I follow on Instagram are like a lot of like Jewish advocacy accounts and a lot of prominent Jews. And so everyone's posting about it and there's just like

It's been top of mind all day. It's really crazy how like one year ago today, you were in New York. Why were you in New York? Because we did that episode together. No, no. Yeah, I was in Florida when it happened and then I came to New York two days later from my book. Oh, right. Okay, so you were in New York. Yeah. It's been a whole ass year since that day. Like I remember that day.

Like seriously, like it was a week ago. I can't believe it's been a whole year. I can't believe there are still over 100 people, Americans included, being held hostage in Gaza. I can't believe this. Ben was saying how like today should be a fast day. Like in Judaism, because we're literally fasting this weekend, that's how you commemorate. But like you can't, like you could fast, but he was like no, because we're still living it. Like it's not over. We're still in it. It's not over. There are still over 100 hostages, babies, women, elderly, children.

innocent people, citizens from a ton of different countries being held hostage. And like, even today, the Palestinians are firing rockets into Israel from Gaza. Like it's, it's heartbreaking. And then a lot of like people are sharing footage from October 7th and we've seen so much, but still there, there's so much footage that the terrorists themselves captured because they were so proud. And then from people's like cell phones or CCTV and like,

Every time you see it, it is just like the worst thing I've ever seen. And I know we have like a big constituency of Jewish listeners who always really appreciate when we talk about these things. But I have to say, I know we have like a wide audience, most of whom are not Jewish. And since October 7th, you and I have like just started talking a lot more about the goings on in Israel. And I just want to say, like, we really have the most wonderful listeners who have been so...

like eager to learn and help and just like get involved and it really means a lot to like I see all these messages all the time like from x from y I'm Christian on this and just so like eager to support and wanting to know what they can do to help and it really means the world and I just think we have the most wonderful listeners and that's just been like a very small bright spot in this last year's like really seeing how people from all different walks of life our listeners are extremely diverse like we're

to just learn and support. And I know for a lot of people, like we are their first interaction with a Jewish person. If you live in an area where there aren't a lot of Jews, like it sounds crazy because I live in New York, but like most people like will go throughout their days not like talking to a Jewish person. So I know we're sort of like that first line of defense for a lot of people and I feel really proud of that and I think that's like a responsibility like I don't take lightly. And so I love that we have

built this really fabulous community of people who, like, I feel like the word ally has become, like, it's, like, a word that lost its meaning. But, like, real, like, true allyship. Yeah. And also, like, so many people...

wanting to help, praying for us, but then even just people who are passive listeners who like haven't turned off this podcast because every once in a while, like we come on and we're heartbroken about Israel and it's like just continuing to listen, even if it's not something that's like of the utmost importance to you, just like knowing that it is for us. Like I'm sure a couple people have left like those Zionists, like goodbye. But everyone who's been here for the last year, like thank you. Yeah, I know there are like a lot of pro-Hamas rallies planned in the city today. So if you're in...

And it's literally so fucking crazy to me. No, it's abhorrent and it's disgusting. And it's not even like they're commemorating, you know, the day that Israel retaliated. Like it's nothing else happened on October 7th other than like,

pure carnage, like the slaughter of the Jewish people, of the Israeli people, like by Hamas terrorists. Like why today? Why, why would this be your day? They love to see dead Jews. So I was just saying that, like, you know, check your local listings, be careful. Cause the true fucking crazies are out today. Like I was seriously, I was like not having a tag. I took a cab. I'm like, nobody look at me. I'm not in the mood. It's just, it's so crazy what's going on in the world. And that's like the second layer. It's like also crazy.

- At times, just as heartbreaking, the response, the lack of care.

I am seriously sending every ounce of love that I have to anyone who is still affected by the hostage crisis, whether it's a friend, a family member. It's devastating, and it's even more devastating when it feels like you're begging people to care. So it's an ongoing thing. We obviously will continue to talk about it and support Israel, but Jackie and I obviously wanted to take a minute to remark on the anniversary because it's been a really...

Honestly, horrible year. And I just, I can't believe it's been a whole year. Like that literally flew. Now, as always, we're just gonna have to pivot. Like. I know today, like seriously, and we will, and there actually is so much to talk about today. And so I will get to myself to a place of caring about these other stories, but yeah,

one thing that we're going to talk about and I think we should do it at the end is love is blind. We are, but I just, and the reason why I told everyone, like I know everybody makes fun of me for like sharing too much about my cycle. I have some of them, like some really harsh truths to deliver and I found something out this morning. I will be stopping watching the show. Okay.

Okay. Sounds good to me. I think I've watched like four episodes and change. I'm almost through all of the reveals. So let's talk about like what we've seen so far, but I, I've never hated a season more, an installment of this show more like the actual physical visceral reactions I have. Like I need to sit with a bucket because I'm going to puke from some of these people. I'm okay. I'm not going to spoil it, but I just want to say like, I,

And I was prepared to come on here and like rip these people to shreds, but I was going to give like a precursor, like just know I'm not talking about Tyler and Ashley. I am not talking about Tyler. And then I found something out this morning about Tyler. And I guess I am talking about Tyler when I talk about like how, okay. You don't want to say it now.

Yeah, and I gotta know. This isn't even on the show. It just came out on social media. He has three children that he's like an active father and he's like cleared them from his social media before he went on the show. And I'm up to episode six out of seven. And I think in the seventh episode, he does discuss it like as describing himself very much as a sperm donor. But now the mother and the mother of the mother are sharing like pictures of them like having Christmas morning together. Like he's a very involved father.

Okay, because I was about to say like maybe he did it. Maybe he told Ashley A but it's just not in the season. Maybe they're not on social media because he's about to be a public figure and he doesn't want to put his kids out there.

- But you're saying- - It's nefarious. Like the mother of the children and the mother of the mother. - That's not what I thought you were gonna say. Honestly, these days, like I thought you were gonna say, you know, he's going to one of those rallies. So I'm glad that it's this. - No, I'm not. Like seriously, we can't even have one nice thing. They- - We do have one nice couple. - Who? - The scientists. - Yeah, but to me, like Ashley and Tyler were on their way to being like maybe the best couple I've ever seen on this show.

You put too much stock in it. I did. Jackie, from the first episode, I was fucking obsessed with them. Like, he is so cute. She's gorgeous. They are so compatible. I thought when they got into bed and they were talking about how like, not in like a religious way, they're going to be abstinent, but like this culture where you just sort of like give your soul to, I thought it was like. I haven't.

I haven't seen this. I haven't seen this. And by the way, I will be watching Mexico because that is, I suffered through what I suffered through for Mexico. Like that's the best part of any Love is Blind season. And then from there, I'll evaluate if I'll keep watching. And you know what? I'll save my diatribe. But I'm sorry, like the three kids, like that's just not a deal breaker considering like what some of these other people are saying. We are going to save that for the end. Love is Blind recap.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know not everyone has watched it. Also just like dropped in the middle of the night. Yeah, no promo, no hype, no nothing. No nothing. No something, no nothing. I don't feel like this season is taking off as much as other seasons have taken off. Like I don't see like everyone watching it. For good reason. Yeah, and so I am going to be done. Like I'm officially not watching one more minute and I think it's okay. Like no, I don't...

why is this season so nauseating and like so many people I've spoken to have used that exact word like nausea. Yeah well and also does anybody else feel like this season they're getting like a lot more footage of like kissing and like a lot more up close. Now maybe that's the nausea. Marissa and Ramsey they share a kiss in Mexico that is so insane. Jackie she literally goes like this her mouth wide open like she's taking a bite out of an apple. It was the crazy Mia Ben looked like what? Like Jackie it was crazy.

My husband probably has like black and blues on his arm from every time I was like hitting him across the bed. Like no, no, no. So we will do like a full recap at the end of the show. So you guys can hear that. Also, in addition to watching Love is Blind, I also saw it ends with us and I need to talk about it. Finally. I saw that you saw it. Jackie.

It was incredible. Like, of course, I loved it so much. And because, you know, there was all this hoopla around it. Like, I actually really forgot that I loved the book. Like, I really loved it. And it was the first time I think I can say, like, I wouldn't have changed any decisions they made in regards to the book. And people were like, but they let Ellen Dory storyline. The worst part. Like, who? You know, Ellen DeGeneres is like a huge fixture in the book.

because like her and the boy growing up when he comes over to like shower and get food they watch Ellen every day because her parents aren't home from school and then she loved like she just loves Ellen and the book is her diary entries and her diary's name is Ellen and then she ends up like naming the kid like Dory or something like there's a lot of Ellen okay it's Ellen yeah and so they reference once like they're just watching TV and Ellen's on the TV it was a nice nod to that but you can't it's a long book you can't include everything and I think their decision to not change the ending they didn't change anything

I really appreciate it. I thought it was super well done. And our initial concern when we first saw those photos of Blake Lively and the crazy hair, the crazy glam, the crazy outfits, like that is very much an issue. Like it's an omnipresent thing. It's just sort of this like other main character. I still don't understand why they had her look so crazy. And it was distracting.

But I'm holding space for two truths. The movie was incredible. And let me tell you, I don't know if it's because I dislike Justin Baldoni or he's the most amazing actor on the planet. Like he was an excellent villain. Excellent. The only person who I think was miscast because they didn't really give him much of a role. And in the book, he was like kind of like not important, but

yeah like a necessary character Marshall who is Ryle's brother-in-law Ryle's sister's husband and they have it as Hassan Minaj and I know he's like a comedian but Marshall is very like goofy I always pictured it as like Jason Segel energy and I don't he just like wasn't matching the goofy vibes he was like trying to be like funny and like I don't know and I know he's a comedian but to me he's so serious right

Yeah. I didn't think that was kind of the only sort of distract distracting thing when it came to casting. Ben said that he found Blake Lively very distracting because of like Gossip Girl. But I think that's just him being very like small, small minded. I think so too. Gossip Girl. We just watched it. That's why. And like Ben just Ben is just he thinks too small, you know?

yeah it was amazing it's surface and so I know he directed it and so I think a lot of the credit goes to him I thought Blake was amazing like I haven't actually seen a lot of her work post Gossip Girl like I don't know if I would say before this that she's an amazing actress I thought she was excellent and people have been like like shocked that I liked the movie like I don't know if the consensus was it's good or it's bad but the consensus what is it was it was good and it was that was the consensus by mostly people who read the book so I

really believe that it was good it wasn't like rotten tomato says it's good and it's probably bad like yeah I feel like I would like it and I didn't realize it was direct to DVD yeah no it's on Apple TV I was shocked I'm like oh we're watching it okay listen to this $25 to buy I'm sure it'll go down but right now it's still in the window of like in the in the olden days it would still be in theaters right now so it's too I'm not complaining about it being $25 although that is absurd $25 rental $20 rental like bitch come on who do you think you're fooling

So what'd you do? So I was sent to bed. I'm like, well, for value wise, let's just buy it. Because like, yeah. And then he was like, yeah, but we're never going to watch it again. So save the $5. And I listened to him. We like. Yeah. And by the time you want to watch it again, it'll be on a stream. I think that was a good call. Save the $5. And I don't plan on watching it again. It's not a movie you need to see a million times. But fun fact, Taylor Donahue texted me. Their apartment is in the background of the movie. I guess they filmed a lot of it in Jersey City. She was like, did you see? They did. She said, did you see our apartment? I'm like, no. Why would I?

And it's just like her building. And then she sent me a picture. I was like, oh, damn. Yeah. Like, no, I know what you're talking about. That's funny. Yeah. So I actually really recommend Ben loved it. I think Ben was I kind of I got a little teary eyed at the end. I don't Ben one in a minute, but I think he did, too. I mean, it's a powerful story. It is. It was good. OK, you're convinced me. I added to the plate, added to the plate. But now, mom, my love is blind plate. And I'm reading a really good book. Carola Lovering, my queen, Queen Energy. Yeah.

Yeah, I just need to see what else Carolla had up her sleeve. Did you see my text message this morning requesting a story be chosen about Liam Payne? I did, and I replied, LOL, okay. And you chose one. And I chose one. It'll be later in the show, probably at the rate we're going, like in an hour. Okay, but you're saying it's giving Fifth Story energy? Because it's not. It really... Oh, fourth. What's going on? I mean, it could actually be, if you wanted to make it like the first story, I would do that because they are sort of...

What happened with Liam Payne over the weekend from One Direction? It's for me, it's going to become Tarek's arm tyke. I am obsessed. Tarek's arm tyke. That's some big shoes to fill. 100%. Some big mountain boots to fill. Also, I don't think it's a story, but Kamala on Call Her Daddy. Big news.

It's not a story because like it's political stuff. But yeah, I was watching it this morning actually because that is big news. Like very historic. She doesn't do a lot of interviews. No, and I think a lot of people are like shocked that she went on Call Her Daddy. I feel like you said she was going. You called this like months ago. It's so obvious. I don't know if it's on the show or yeah. I don't know why people are like freaking out about it. Podcasts, Trump has done a bunch of podcasts. Like podcasts are the game. It's shocking because she doesn't do a lot of interviews. But if she was going to do a podcast, like obviously. That's the one. She's also doing Howard Stern. Yeah.

Oh, she is? Yeah, I just saw that on his, I like weirdly follow the Stern Show on every social media. Because you loved his book. No, I loved his book. And like, seriously, I don't know why I followed the Stern Show literally on Facebook. I didn't think it was so crazy at all. Like, I thought it was like, duh. I was just waiting for the episode to drop. I literally, I feel like I knew it.

Right. The episode dropped yesterday. So I wanted to check it out. There's been like a lot of commotion about it because of like Hurricane Helene, which also like is crazy. I feel like also more and more there's footage coming out from Helene. And it's also like still not over. Like people are still talking. Also there's another hurricane coming. You know that, right? For you. I know. Milton. Hurricane Milton. Milton. I mean, that's a bad name.

Maybe you'll get the next one. Maybe you'll get to pick the next one. But, um, so yeah, there was just like a lot of noise around the interview, which you would expect. And I want to say, cause she did, I didn't watch the interview, but I want, she had like this little intro, like two, three minutes, just sort of explaining her decision. Um, and like, I actually felt bad for her because there's, I, cause I, this is how I, and by the way, I have no inside information. This is just what I think went down. Okay. I think Kamala's people reached out. Cause like, it's an obvious, it's a good strategy. And like, of course,

of course Alex can't say no, but like who really wants to get involved? Like actually it's horrible. Like read the comments. Like nobody, even if you have one person on your, if you have Trump on, if you have Kamala on, like it's just going to be horrible comments. And like people, you're just, you're going to feel like half your audience is disappointed in you. The country is extremely divided. So I feel like when she got the call, she was like, oh, like honestly, like, but,

And she handled it really well. She said like, of course, but she's not a political podcast. She doesn't like know a lot about fracking. That's what she said. Like, what am I going to do? Like an episode on the border. And she also then had her people reach out to Donald Trump that he, you know, open invitation to come on, which I thought was really smart. I think she's really just trying to like get through this with like the least amount of bruises as possible. Because like, seriously, who would want to put themselves at the center? She's just a girl. Like who would want to put themselves at the center of this?

- Well, so she did say that in the beginning. And so I listened to the podcast once it's interesting for like podcasting and like girly swirly podcasting, but to like, I'm a woman, like I wanna hear what's going.

But like what she said at the top of the show was like how her angle was going to be like talking about things that are important to women. So she's not going to be talking about like or women's bodies. She said not talking about the economy or the border fracking, but like, I don't know. I felt it was a little reductive to like assume that women don't care or affected by the economy. Like I feel like a lot of women, especially like moms who like,

are head of the household, manage their households, are going to the grocery store, are buying clothes for their kids, and then they're really affected by the cost of living. So I actually felt like the interview would have really benefited from like a- More well-rounded. A girly swirly take on that. Like I felt like that conversation would have been really good to have. I understand maybe not fracking, even though the female frackers- No, by the way, that's such a fair point. But like, honestly, like-

And this is not a slight, like I think Alex Cooper is very smart. I think she would admit this too. She did like, seriously, what does she know about like the global economy? Like that's like hard to like put together questions for.

No, but it doesn't have to be about the global economy. And actually in the interview, like Kamala kept saying about like practical application of policy. So we don't have to talk about like the global economy, but like practically speaking, like grocery store prices, like the people's like cost of living, their quality of life, like just tackling like small issues. And that is important to women too. So I felt like there's...

there could have been even more conversation had and it would have been kind of new and fresh to have it in that sort of in a swirly environment in a swirly sort of way. That's fair. I just think it's actually really crazy like power podcasting women in media the power of podcasting. And so now it's like do you think Trump would go on because he does a lot of podcast kind of doesn't say no to much. He loves to chat.

yeah and I think he goes to like different corners of the internet I don't know if he would ever do it but like seriously I would cackle like I would laugh um do you think he should like if you were on his team would you say that he should or he shouldn't I mean I would say yes actually because it feels like everybody's talking about this interview right and like you well it's also just like we're in this world maybe like no but I think everyone is like

Yeah, no, yes, but also it would feel that way even if they weren't. I think, you know, to be talked about is good, you know, so close to the election. Like, who wouldn't want to be, like, the name on everybody's lips? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not on his team, and it's probably for the best for everyone. I think he should, and I'm so curious to see if he does. I know she, like, sent that interview, that request, invitation, being like, please don't accept. Like, she... Well, I mean, she could have not had her on. Nobody would have known she declined the opportunity. But you don't want to decline, like, this massive opportunity. Yeah.

She posted like a two part vlog of how the interview came to be and they were supposed to record in Vegas and they set everything up. And then the next morning, like the VP's team canceled. Like, do you think she was so relieved? By the way? Yes. I actually, when I was watching, I was like, she probably was so happy. Yeah. And then they called, come to DC. It's like, fuck. No, I would like actually love to know what really, and I'm just like projecting, like seriously, just guessing.

Yeah. No, that's really fun. Like it's a cool opportunity, but it's like a heavy burden. And it's going to no matter who, if you had Kamala on, if you had Tramp on, like, you know, it comes with this wave of intense reactions. And like, who the fuck wants that? Honestly, like when you're a podcaster, you're just trying to like have fun and make a living and like make everyone giggle. Yeah. So it's really crazy. Yeah, it was crazy. So I think that's everything. We'll get to love his line at the end. I had a list of things. Other than that.

I feel comfortable getting into the Fast Five stories with Liam Payne being our first. No, Liam Payne is not deserving. For you, anything. Liam Payne is not deserving of our first. But this is one of those days where kind of the five are equal. So for Turdy, Liam Payne. Wait, wait. I just wanted to remind you that later in the show, because we forgot to have this conversation before. I know. I know.

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Thank you, T-U-R-T-3-0. You're welcome. Our first story, Liam. Okay, I'm obsessed. Let me tell you, okay?

Okay. There's a number of like buckets here. So Leah Payne is like an unemployed ex-pop star. And you know what's so funny? I saw, we'll get into like why he's a troubled youth. But somebody said like the reason why he's having such a hard time is because I think no matter how you slice it, like we could all give our different rankings of how the other members of the band dealt. Like he's, for every ranking. He's fifth and final. For everyone. Like no matter how you slice it. I would say it goes like this. Harry. Harry.

Niall, Zayn, Louie, what's his name? Liam. Liam. That's what I would say. And I think that is the correct one, but it's open to interpretation. I don't know. There's the elder. Yeah, but no, Zayn married up, like, sorry, in terms of celebrity and fame and relevancy, like he's there.

Yeah, they're not married. You know what I mean? Like he stayed at the tabloids even though he like wasn't making music that people were listening to. Yeah, in terms of like success. Okay, whatever. Celebrity. So over the weekend and I guess Liam Payne has like a big Snapchat. That's like what he does for a living. He's probably snapping with Dana. And he has like a cute little like influencer girlfriend. And so they were making... Maya Henry. No, no, no.

Not Maya. Maya Henry is his ex-girlfriend who is now like spilling the tea because everyone this weekend was talking about Liam Payne. So he went to a Niall Horan concert, which a normal person would say, that's so sweet, you know, helping, you know, supporting your friend. No. The concert was in Argentina and like him and his girlfriend just like packed up and went and like didn't like tell Niall. Like they just sort of like ambushed. How do you know what they didn't tell Niall? Because they have like a strained relationship and they just like...

Because that's what the internet saying like that. He just sort of showed up and was like, I'm coming. And it's kind of a long way to go. They took a nine hour flight to like go support a friend. Bizarre behavior. But what happened at the concert was so crazy. And like, there is this like running theory that Liam just like has this, like, he almost treats Niall like, like a hostage. Like when they have pictures together, you like Niall looks like afraid. He's just like kind of Liam's kind of like erratic and crazy. And Niall's just like trying to keep the peace.

So all these videos started to come out of Liam at the concert. He was in a suite. I saw those. He was in a suite like being freaky. Like he was just being weird, like being. And the overall like caption that was like accompanying these videos is like Liam Payne is never beating the attention seeker allegations. Like he goes to Niall's concert. And this is like this huge moment for Niall. It's like, you know, this foreign country. He's playing this huge arena. Yeah.

And before the concert starts, Liam goes out onto his balcony of his suite and literally is holding a meet and greet. And everyone's filming him. And he's being so cringe, making faces, hands in his pockets, dancing to the music and dancing for people's cameras. And then being like, oh my god. Keeps coming back to the railing to see people. Trying to make this moment for Niall about him in addition to being cringe as fucking hell.

So these videos really took the internet by storm. It's like a video of security, like literally asking him to stop and like Liam just straight up ignoring the security guard, like being really, really cringy. And so that sort of set off this just like chain reaction because people were talking a lot about Liam Payne and then his ex-girlfriend, Maya Henry, decided to like make a bunch of TikToks spilling, you know,

Random tea. And I guess there has long been a story within the One Direction community about this backstage brawl where somebody put their hands on Liam and like shoved him up against a wall. Yeah. And Maya Henry shared. No, wait, sorry. Who did they put up against the wall? They beat up. They put Zayn.

No, they put Liam. And people thought, like, they never said who it was, but people thought it was Louis. I don't know why they would think that. Maya Henry, the ex-girlfriend, coming out, like, knowing what the people want to say, and be like, no, it was Zayn. Like, duh. I mean, the pipeline from, like, beating up your bandmate to beating up your mother-in-law is a short trip. Wait, I just want to say, I think, like, physically, Louis is the smallest of all of them. Like, why would people think it was him? I guess, like, if you truly did, like...

multiple like you could you could have alluded like to it being Zayn like just by by default like it wasn't Louis I think at that point like Harry was very much not like like Zayn was the one who had like an issue with the band like he left yeah so that sent like the one directioners into an absolute tailspin just this huge bombshell moment because you know I feel like we are always like talking about random things in pop culture and like imagine if 10 years later like you get a confirmation from a close source like about what actually happened

Yeah. So the One Directioners, like we've just now checked in with them for the first time in a while. I'm like, they're seriously not okay. Yeah. Baby, look what you've done to me. The videos of Liam Payne, like acting like that. And so unfortunately, Liam Payne has like a long history of like cringy moments on the internet. Like people don't let him live. So I don't know if you guys remember, he had a very short lived solo career.

And he actually had one song that got a billion streams. It goes... Yeah, like with Rita Ora? It goes like this. Hold on. Shit, wait. I just had it in my head. It's like such a nondescript type of song. Oh. Okay.

So he performed it once at a meet and greet. It looked like it was in a mall. And he did this incredible-- excuse me?

Sorry, I was on Spotify looking at Liam Payne's catalog. So he performed it in the middle of a mall with three people watching and did this really terrible choreography. And the videos from it, you know they taunt him. It's like Whitney's RSV video. They never stopped talking about it. And now there's just been added a whole new bunch of content to the folder of things Liam Payne is known for because he hasn't really done much after One Direction. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. It's giving Mountain out of a molehill. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I forgot the biggest part. So then this picture of Liam and Niall comes out. I guess like Liam, you know, busted his way backstage. And it's like, if a picture says a thousand words, look at him holding the necklace. Liam is holding Niall's necklace, like almost like a collar. I see it. I see it.

So it doesn't help that he has his finger in the chain here. It doesn't help the narrative that like Niall is afraid of Liam and just like, just, um, tolerates him to keep the peace perhaps, but he could have not let him backstage, but that's not how that doesn't keep the peace. This person traveled nine hours for you, you know? Yeah. I think Liam, it sounds like he has a history of being an oddball. Yes. That's a really good way of putting it.

So if he was just an oddball for the first time on the balcony, I'd be like, oh, something weird is going on. But it sounds like Liam's going to leave. No, and Liam, like, I think...

loved being in one direction. And I think when the band split apart, like, I think everybody experienced it differently, right? Like, I think Harry was like, free me from these shackles of these losers. Like, let me go. Zayn was like, I don't give a fuck. I hate these people. Louis was dealing with a lot of personal tragedy. Like, I don't even think he had time to deal with like the band. He lost like two family members. Like there was a lot going on. And I think Niall was really bummed, but made the most of it, you know? And just like, all right, I'll do my own thing. Let's see how it goes.

I think Liam, it was like, I think if they were all in therapy, like we would see this as being like what broke Liam, you know? And I think seeing all the other bandmates really have a lot of success. I think it's hard. And so they, the allegations of him being like an attention seeker because he loved, he was at one point in the biggest band in the world. Like that's hard.

Yeah, the allegations of him being an attention seeker. I would say like really most people who are getting up on stage and singing for a living like are seeking attention and not in a negative way. You know, I should have expected that you would take Liam's side. Like when I asked you to do this story, like her and her fucking hot takes. Like if you could just once. I didn't, I'm not. If you could just once agree. I'm not taking Liam's side.

I'm just like, I'm not feeling like as shocked and moved by the behavior. I took a night, nine hour flight to support his what? Who? Someone he thinks is his friend. Like I would do it for you, turdy. I would do it in a heartbeat. You and I are not Liam and Niall. Like we never have been and we never will be. Oh my God. Of course. She's like team Liam. I can't with you. Like you're so toxic.

He's not team Liam. Like it does. He's not someone I think I would want to like be around. They're definitely him. And I'm seeing like these clips of him in his GF. Okay, wait. And you know, there's another like viral moment that goes in the folder of Liam Payne when he went on Jake Paul's podcast. That's where he told the story about someone shoving him up against the wall. And he said it in such a cringe way. He was like, this person put me up against the wall. And I said, if you don't get your hands off me, not going to have hands left.

They're just. It was giving Leanne lock in. So every time this man steps out, it's cringe McGinge. And there's just so much content around this particular trip to Argentina because his girlfriend's like a bit of an influencer. She was like vlogging the trip. I see. He's a travel influencer, too. So maybe like Argentina was next on her list. Seriously, maybe like she had free flights.

Yeah, maybe she got the tickets. Because I would love to know how Liam Payne pays his bills. Because I saw the inside of his house. I assumed it was his house. She was like, get ready with us to go to the airport. And they had like a nice car service. They flew first class. And I'm sure you made a lot of money in One Direction. But that was a long time. Divided by five. And it was a long time ago. Yeah.

And I'm sure they still get like royalty checks because like those songs get tons of streams. Like people definitely, I still listen to Random One Direction all the time. Yeah, but like streaming is not going to make you. No, no, I'm saying that's like supplemental income. That's not going to like put your kids through school. But it's something like, I don't know. I don't know either. Sus. I feel that way about a lot of celebrities though. I'm like, okay.

How are you? Like, I understand you work at some, but like multimillion dollar house, like living the high life. I don't get it. You know what I think would be the most fascinating if we could get, and we couldn't because like of attorney client privilege. But like, I think if somebody, I would like it to be us could get like the top celebrity business manager on our pocket. Like I have so many questions about how celebrities make money, but like, I'm not asking about Beyonce. I'm asking about ready. I'm asking about Vanessa and Hudgens. Like,

No, but Claudia, she's actually always working. She's actually always working. I'm asking about... Liam Payne. Liam Payne is a good example. But like next time we are talking about someone who I'm asking about, I will flag it. Because especially people of like former glory, like who were from big movie franchises or like that, I think sometimes you make retirement types of money and like that's not surprising to me. But there are then like people who were a part of a big franchise, like they still like are famous, but they don't work.

here's one Ashley Benson now she's married to like a billion an oil that's an amazing one you know but before that but you know like how the girls it's actually it's less confusing because I know a lot of those girls make money on social media like they do brand deals Ashley Benson is like a founder in that sunglass company Preve Revo like she does like girly swirly type of internet um e-commerce okay but yes no I know what you mean okay thank you

- I'm gonna read our next story, which has the internet and the chokehold, not me specifically, but I wanted to give this to you guys. And I wonder if you care.

Eminem's daughter, Hailey, reveals that she is pregnant and that Eminem is going to be a grandpa. And the way I couldn't avoid this story, like all fucking this means nothing to me. But I think if you're like a fan of Eminem and you have been for a while, like him and his daughter's relationship is like a huge part of why you love him. And I know he's like a very involved good dad. And it's like they've watched this girl grow up so happy for you. Like I could not care less.

I mean, I don't care. Like anyone having a baby. That's beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful to make it pertinent to our situation. Like she did discuss it on her podcast. Oh, she's always doing big. And you know what? I know what I like about Eminem. He always supports his daughter's podcast. I love that. Her podcast is actually really aptly titled just a little shady. Cute. Cause she's like little shady and they'll probably throw shade on the show. Um, and her and her co-hosts are talking about the pregnancy on the podcast. Mazel Tov. Hmm.

Grandpa. You love finding one of your hairs in the coffee. Delish. Make sure it's yours. I made this coffee at home. Oh, okay. It looks store-bought. Well, the cup is from a store. No, it's cool. It's cool. You look like you're just jangling your iced coffee in your car keys. Okay, so I am so glad you brought that up.

Nothing makes me feel more like a woman, like more in touch with my feminine self, more cutesy little ladybug than having like a half drink iced coffee in one of these plastic like earth ruining cups with like ice, but like the ice is melted a little bit and I'm just like doing... So it shows people like you've had a morning. Right. Oh, don't start with me. And doing this, like with the straw between your index and your middle finger and the rest of your fingers like claw... Little jingle jangle. Clawing on the top, like the shake and...

That doesn't look right. No, no, this? But what you're doing looks unnatural. Nothing makes me feel more like a woman than this. Her womanly wiles. Baby, look what you've done to me. Oh! Mazel Tov to the Mathers family. Okay, Mathers. I was like, who's that? Yeah, this is a pop culture blind spot for me. Does your husband love Eminem?

No, not in a way that's like permeated like Justin Timberlake or Drake. My husband absolutely loves Eminem. Like Eminem, I don't know if he knows about his like chubby Jewish boy constituency. I think he knows. Because like Ben and all of his friends growing up, like they literally thought they were going to become Eminem.

That's really cute. I'm happy for Ben. And I remember the first time like Ben, like I didn't share it with Ben. It just like came up in conversation. Like I didn't know that song. I know it now because Ben taught it to me. But like I guess everyone in the world knows palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy, there's vomit on a sweater already, mom's spaghetti. Mom's spaghetti. Yeah, like I. Do you know I have a jar of mom's spaghetti in my cupboard? Yeah, you know when I was on tour back in the day, I think it was in Detroit. I forget what his like city is. And they have like a chain of like spaghetti shops.

I think once in New York there was a pop-up and they were having mom's spaghetti and Zach got it and I still have it. Okay, so I want to say for people who are like seeing Eminem's daughter being pregnant and being like, wow, I feel old. Now you know how we felt when Madison De La Garza was pregnant. Juanita from Desperate Housewives, Demi Lovato's stepsister. And Sofia Grace. Yes, but for me, like Madison De La Garza was so personal to me.

Yeah. It's pretty much the same thing. Yeah. Pretty much. So Mazel Tov to the Mathers family. He's going to be Grand Pappy Eminem. I wonder what they'll call him. Greminem? His real name is Marshall. Marshall. I mean, that's such a grandpa name. Grandpa Marshall. That's funny. When I think about Marshall, like I exclusively think about Brian Kelly's dog. Well, now I only think about what you said earlier about it ends with us. It's like a big show. Like we've never said the name Marshall on the show as many times as today. Big day for Marshalls.

Yeah. Okay. Well, so Brian's dog's name is Marshall and Brian, you know, like he does like kind of what you do. He LARPs a lot. And so like Marshall became, what do you mean? Marshall became like Marshall Anthony. And like now he calls Marshall Marchand. Whenever I meet someone named Marshall, like I can't not say Marchand. And so Ben and Josh for like the last two years, their producer on good guys was this great guy. He doesn't work at your media anymore, but his name was Marshall. I met him like a bunch of times.

And they loved him. And like, they were like always like, you know, girly girl chit-chatting with him. And I would like walk in and be like, Marchanth. So inappropriate, like so rude. I couldn't stop. Marchanth. That's like Brewie Louie. Like I was having a hard time talking about Louie from One Direction. Well, I actually did been meaning to ask you this. Whenever you talk to my father-in-law, like do you have a hard time? Because his name, his actual government name is Bruce. Yeah. No, to me, like he's Bruce on the loose. Yeah.

Well, I call him Bruiser and I think he loves having a nickname, by the way. So feel free to call him Bruce on the loose. Yeah. I don't think he likes when my Bruno nicknames go in the Bruce direction. Like he wants me to bring it back. So I definitely try to respect. I mean, it makes sense who wants their like to have the same name as a dog close to them. I can tell you for sure that like when you were in your era of calling your dog Bruno by the name Bruce, my father-in-law with the name Bruce, like he didn't love it.

No, no, no. And we weren't chatting as much as we normally do. It's sad that Bruno came between you guys. Brunello Cucinelli. He could never. He's so cute. He's so cute. My king. He makes a cameo in the vlog, which by the time this episode is up and when you're done with this episode, head over to the Patreon. I did officially book my flight to your house for the Aris tour, which is so exciting.

♪ Move to Florida ♪ ♪ By the car you ♪ Oh, by the way, she's obviously gonna play Florida. - You wanna know something crazy? - Right? - I think so. You wanna know something crazy that I haven't even touched on? I guess it's a little ways away, but my lease is almost up on my Tesla. - Oh my God, I'm like your lease, bitch, you bought a house. I was like, what?

My lease is up on my car in like February. Are you done with the Tesla lifestyle or no? No, au contraire. I love my car so much. I actually wish I bought it two years ago, but because I didn't, like I have the option of what I want to do for my next car. So either I'm going to get the same car again or I'm getting a Cybertruck. Like I...

Do you guys know how hard it is to have like a crazy fucking sister? Jackie, why is that so crazy? When you're here, let's go test drive one. Okay, I'll tell you why. Because I see Cybertrucks all the time. I saw them in the Hamptons. I saw them a ton in the city. I see them a ton. And they are exclusively used as billboards. People know there's an ALB vodka one that drives all around the city. People know how crazy looking they are and that they're going to get eyes. It's kind of brilliant. People are going to stare at the car. You might as well slap your logo on it. So you have to put the toast logo on it. I love it.

don't love the idea of me driving like everyone looking at me I already feel like they're looking at me because I'm doing something wrong everybody look at you they will seriously like that they will drive you off the road honestly that like it's really the one thing you could say I have like serious imposter syndrome when I'm on the road I'm like I shouldn't be here nobody wants me here like everybody's laughing at me all the cars behind me have their windows down and they're talking about like how I'm zigzagging like

If I were in a Cybertruck, that would just be more eyes on me. And so you've actually steered me away. So I'm actually going to look into the Model X, which is just a bigger version of my car. But it has those Batmobile doors, which I'm not like dying for. No. Okay. So you have to be really careful, obviously, like in this climate. Taylor Schrecker once told me the craziest story. She borrowed a friend's car who's like a huge Trump supporter. And so the back of the car had like a million stickers. Like Taylor didn't think anything of it. Like who cares? It's not her car. And like, whatever, she needs to get from point A to point B. She said...

Because she was driving in like the Hamptons, you know? She was getting driven off the road. Like seriously, people honking, trying to literally drive her off the road. You have to hear her say it. Like when she says it, it's much funnier story. That would happen to you in a Cybertruck, just letting you know. Because truly, only an actual douchebag gets a Cybertruck. Sorry. Sorry.

- Maybe I'm a douche bag. I'm gonna test drive one 'cause I do wanna see, like, I wanna see what it's about and I'll make my own decision, but that's a major con in the column that people would be looking at me. No, don't look at me. - It's so true. She's literally, you need a bumper sticker that's these two fingers. Like, seriously, do not look at me. - I really need Elon. Like, what he did for the Cybertruck, he was reinventing the pickup truck and that was his mission. - He needs to do the convertible next? - He needs to do the minivan.

Oh, the minivan is a lost art. I actually just read an article about how like minivan sales are going down. They've obviously become so stigmatized, but like they were invented for a reason. It's the most functional vehicle, like the space you can imagine for kids, for families, like a

like Elon needs to, I know he's like really busy and he's got a lot on his plate, but he needs to, and as a family man, and he wants it to encourage people to like have big families, like then you need to reinvent the minivan. Sorry. Okay. You know who has already reinvented the minivan? Ben. It's so funny. Ben told me this story yesterday. And whenever Ben like says something, I'm like, I know, like he's always sharing like, like stories that actually are from two weeks ago, but he shared something with me that I did not know. Do you know who's reinventing the minivan?

Who? Mark Zuckerberg. Okay, you have to look up. Ready? He only had one special custom made for his wife. Okay. A Porsche. Wait, I think I, Claudia, I literally think I scrolled past this this morning. He had a special custom, like $400,000 Porsche.

They wanted to like have it not look like a minivan while also like being a minivan. Claudia, literally I saw this picture this morning. I didn't read the caption, but new side quest Priscilla wanted a minivan. So I've been designing something. It looks like. I'm pretty sure should exist. A Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT minivan. It looks like a hearse. Like it looks like there's a coffin in the back. It's too big. I'm sorry. It's not even too big. It's too long. Like seriously, good luck making a turn. It's like a truck.

- Oh my God, and West Coast Customs did it. Throwback. - Oh my God. - Pimp my ride. - So that's what you need. Even though I think that's uglier and more stigmatized than a regular minivan. A minivan? - Genuinely, it looks like they took the front of one car and the back of another car and put them together. It looks like when you put a leaf on your dining table to extend it. - That's a perfect call. - No, I think what Olivia has-- - Okay, this is a go. - I think what Olivia has is the closest to a modern minivan, right?

But it's very high up. Like it's not as meant for like car seats and getting like in and out. Anyways, I just thought we could start having the conversations. I love that. But I love Tesla. I've had a fabulous experience. I've had such a good experience. I want more. I want a bigger one, a better one. And the bigger, better one like is the Cybertruck.

I'm not getting in that. Like seriously. Would you go test drive one with me? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That'd be fun. I think that you will go for the test drive and you will not enjoy the attention that comes along with it. You know who should get one? Great. Liam Payne. Liam Payne. Then great. Decision made. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'll go with you. Cool. We'll vlog it so you guys can come with us. Cool. So it's settled. So it's settled. Are you ready for our next story? What number? It is a twofer. Number three. And it's two I've shoved into this one. It's some reality TV development news.

And the first one is that Bravo is developing a reality show about the Kansas City Chief Wags, still determining final cast members. A source has told Page Six that Britney and Taylor will not be a part of it, shockingly. Am I the only one who thought Britney not being a part of it was like a little shocking? Everybody was like, duh. Obviously Taylor's not going to be on it. I think it's her being like, Taylor being like, I would never, and Britney like, yeah, I would never. Yeah, me neither. Patrick, burn the contract. Ripping up the contract. Get me out of this. I think if Taylor were in a Kansas City Chief Wag and like, honestly,

on this journey with them then britney might have considered it and could have had a whole career doing that but now her career is like being like an a-list wag with tailored so she said to be honest like i think through taylor we have learned about like the other fabulous women who are wags and like i think it's actually really smart of bravo to come in like this is a town a team a state like people are obsessed with right now and there's a lot more there but beyond taylor and beyond britney so i think this group of women is probably going to be fabulous

And they had said, yeah, sorry, you go. A source exclusively told people that Bravo is currently filming a reality show about the WAG supporting the back-to-back Super Bowl winners. While the show is only in development and the cast list has yet to be officially determined, it will potentially include Nicole Hardman Jr.'s fiancee, Shariah Gordon. That's always with tailored.

And Shawana Weathersby, who shares two kids with defensive tackle Chris Jones. There's still lots to figure out, including who would be a part of the final cast and whether there's enough there to build a full series around. It's very much a work in progress. So I think there is enough there, especially because I think a lot of the players there, because like we've said many times, they're building this dynasty, right? They have been on the team for a long time. And so the WAGs become, you really know everyone. There's always drama. It actually sounds like a really good...

Kind of what WAGS should have been. WAGS was like not good. WAGS was good. Don't sleep on WAGS. However, I like focusing on a team here. I think you could really do it with any franchise. I think the WAG dynamic and community is probably really strong with any sport. The Niners?

any city, like any team. So the Niners, of course. But also maybe this could be like a new franchise. Netflix is how they have quarterback, like where they follow a few people. Like maybe that one season they follow Kansas City Wags. The next season they follow a different city's Wags. I heard it was Bravo. Is that not right?

No, it is Bravo, but maybe like Bravo would change up their formula. Yeah, no. And I think you're right. Like looking at it as how like Real Housewives has franchised. And honestly, like I do feel like Real Housewives is at this inflection point and they have been for a while. Like what's the future of it? So having these other installations, kind of like Southern Charm, it didn't really work out like with the Southern Charm Savannah or whatever, but yeah, like different cities, right?

Yeah. Also, I had a thought recently, which is like we always are talking about like how does Real Housewives get out of this funk place that they're in? Can it even be done anymore? And the answer is like, yes. And what they did with Sex Lives of Mormon Wives like should have been Real Housewives. Yeah. By the way, I'm so glad you just brought that up because I didn't even know the Real Housewives of New York second season with this new it premiered last week. Do you know how many people watched?

Who? Like actually less people that like watch my Instagram stories. It was really crazy. Wow. It's at 300,000. That's insane for a cable network. That's insane. And I know we're not in the heyday of Housewives anymore. Like at its peak, like the Beverly Hills, the Atlanta franchise, they were getting like 2 million. No, no, no. That's really bad. But like how is this better than like Sonia and Ramona and Dorinda being blackout? More people were watching that.

Yeah. No, I don't know. And I'm just saying that who sex lives of Mormon wives, like goes to show you can get a group of women who are wives and mothers and make busing content. And you can capture the zeitgeist of Tik TOK and like social media while also being in the reality TV format. And like Bravo is not doing that, but it can be done. Yeah. And I, Bravo is not doing that, but I think what you're right. Hulu wives is like a,

a case study for like how to make reality TV these days and like incorporate social media. It was, I have no notes on, but they've renewed for a second season. Whitney has confirmed she's coming back. I know, but now I'm worried, like, have they not been filming this whole time? I don't think so. But by the way, are you randomly following this Caitlin Bristow saga?

So Caitlin Bristow was getting like her ass handed to her because she had Whitney on her podcast. And like seriously, she said at the beginning, like I've never seen the show. She knew nothing. Like she found out in real time, like, oh, are you friends with the girls? Like she was just asking like normal questions. Like, are you friends with the girls? And then she found out like actively on the podcast, like Whitney is the girl from the RSV video. And Caitlin's like, yeah, I know what video you're talking about. That was you? Like...

Like I've actually felt bad for Whitney. And she's getting like her ass handed to her for like not doing the bare minimum. Studying up or like either if you're having her on like watch the show and if you don't watch the show don't have her on. Yeah. It's not like there's a dearth of places for Whitney to go and talk about. Yeah but now people are saying. And not everyone needs to watch everything and like

That's fine if she didn't want to watch it. But now people are saying this has been like a strategy with Whitney to go on podcasts of people who don't watch the show because she also went on the Lautner's podcast who like aren't heavily involved in the show. Like to, it's like an easier setup. Yeah. Which if true, it's like kind of smart. I guess. But she's confirmed coming back, which, and Jen Affleck is not.

Because she lives in New York now because of her husband's residency. I'm walking to work with my eyes peeled for Jen Affleck. Oh, and we haven't. She made her choice. We haven't done a Sex Lives of Mormon Wives, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives update in a while. But Ancestry.com or one of those confirmed Ben Affleck is not related to Jen Affleck.

That doesn't work for me. So I'm going to go back to what I thought before. And somebody did the due diligence. Jen Affleck is actually more closely related to Lala Kent than she is to Ben Affleck. Because Lala's from Utah. Yeah, that makes sense. That's not mic drop. No, it's just like, it wasn't mic drop. I was just like sharing. No, no, I'm not insulting you. I'm saying like the person who thought that they like made some discovery. I thought it was a good discovery. Are you ready for our next...

part b of reality tv development news segment which is that mark estes and the montana boys are going to be looking for love in a new show after his split with kristen that's a little misleading they're getting a reality show amongst other things that they're doing on the show i guess some of them are looking for love it's not like he's going on the bachelor or something oh wait i just want to say i when you first said it i thought the idea of them having like a group dating show was really smart i don't think they're interesting enough for a reality show

So the unnamed show will follow the trio as they balance their budding career in Nashville and working at their ranches in Montana, along with partying and looking for love. That's the looking for love part. The broadcast company shared vice studio group is the one that's, um, helming the show, uh,

I think this is another one that could be really good, like Mormon Wives, like taking a group from the internet who probably have the potential to carry a show. Maybe not, you say no, but like, I think this is a good idea. I think that reality TV...

is best done by women. I don't know, like seriously, with the exception of like Jersey Shore. 'Cause I thought immediately of like that dating show that Pauly and Vinny had where they were both like dating the same group of women. And it's widely regarded, like nobody watched it at the time, but it's widely regarded as like one of the best shows. That's like catching Kelsey. But there was just one guy catching Kelsey. Like they were both dating different women.

I think that that's what I thought the original show was. I think that might be better only because like you need a lot of personality. And even if they're like beaming with personality, men are just more boring. Like seriously, who wants to watch a bunch of three guys sit around and talk? Like, I mean. We shall see. Yeah. What do you think it's going to be called? Montana boys in the hood? Montana boys. Montana boys to men. Montana boys making noise.

I like that. Yeah. We them boys. We them Montana boys. I like that. Memoirs of a Montana boy. The Montana boys are back. The boys are back. I feel like also it could be, you know how like the OC spawn Laguna Beach. This, it could be like Yellowstone spawning Fellowstone. Oh girl, you absolutely need to get a grip. How about Fellowstone? Chills.

Thank you. I'm telling you. There's potential. If you thought Kevin Costner wanted nothing to do with Yellowstone now, wait till he finds out that they're doing a spin-off reality show with the TikTok Montana boys. Called Fellas. He'll be running for the hills. There's pretentious. There's pretentious.

And on the one hand, I feel like he wasn't signing his contract because he was dating Kristen and like she would never. But lest we not forget, she's the queen of reality TV. Oh yeah, and I think she also respects the hustle. Maybe this was part of the breakup. Like they got this opportunity and they have to go on like dates and stuff. And she knows. But also maybe she doesn't want to be on his show. Like I think she might be done with that for the moment. Maybe she doesn't want him to pass up this opportunity when she knows this relationship has an expiration date.

Yeah, and she knows that Fella Stones could be the next Laguna Beach. She knows the potential in an opportunity like this. Like, very Cavallari. Like, she knows what it can do for someone. You know what's a fact that I forget all the time? Shannon? But then when I'm reminded, Shannon. I actually thought about that the other day. I don't know what made me think about it.

And I just, like, I always forget that Shannon, we know her on Very Cavallari and that she's like intrinsically linked to Kristen. Yeah. I seriously forget all the time. Yeah. It's just funny. But like, can we get Shannon Ford back on reality TV? Like, I don't think she was given a fair shot. Like I know, I didn't watch that show, but I know she was very much like the villain and she gets fired from the whatever. And it's crazy that she's like the nicest person in real life. But yeah.

I think we were robbed in the sense that like, I think she's an amazing reality star. I would love to have like her back on my TV.

I would love. Maybe on Fela's Thrones. I'm surprised she never did like any of those. Like there are so many reality shows for former reality shows. Reality stars. Oh, true. And she does kind of fall in. Like traitors. Right, she falls in that bucket. But she's so like evolved past being a reality star. I just think of her as like a content creator, a podcaster. I know. And I watched Very Cavallari when it was on. And like I forget that she, like I was watching her. Right, right.

We should ask her. Maybe we'll send a text after. I literally spoke to her this morning. Let's see if she ever would do traders. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Our fourth story. Is it our next story that is brought to you by GNC?

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Our next story, Anne Hathaway is returning for Princess Diaries 3. Anne Hathaway has confirmed the news on Instagram hours after Deadline exclusively reported that director Adele Lim has boarded the threequel in the video she posted and counted to three with cuts of her younger self as Mia Thermopolis and Julie Andrews as Queen Clarice Rinaldi, both saying, shut up. Okay, now I never wanted to do this. I never wanted to say this.

But I fear I have no choice but to share an honest truth about myself in this very moment. I, Claudia Oshry, have never seen Princess Diaries 2. You've not seen any piece of it? Not, I don't even know what it's about. It's about her marriage. She's like between, she has a, someone who she's betrothed to, a,

a worthy candidate for the princess of Genovia, but she's fallen for the bad boy. And what happened to Lily's brother? Like, wasn't that her man in the first one? That was high school, Claude. That was so high school. Because I saw all the hoopla being like, oh my God, get Chris Pine in it. I'm like, Chris Pine wasn't even in it. Like he was the bad boy that she's falling for in the second one. And I don't know if they got married because it's all about like a royal engagement. Yeah.

And she has like her bachelorette party. I think it was like a sleepover slumber party. They're like sliding down the banisters in the castle. And I want to say, I absolutely loved Princess Diaries 1 and me not seeing the second one was just a victim of circumstance. Timing. It's not anything against the franchise. I actually, I love Julie Andrews. I think it's Anne Hathaway's best work. I could recite that first one by heart. Like, love, love, love, Mandy Moore singing Candy. Like, no, stupid Cupid, stupid Cupid. Obsessed. Having said that, like, I do think we need to let bygones be bygones and like let this franchise rest forever.

I agree because it's like, what is this movie going to be and who's it for? Is it for the original fans who are now 30 and like we were watching mature movies? Like, is she the real queen of Genovia now? Like, is her daughter getting married? Like, I'm kind of like over it.

That trope, I think there's a way to do it well and we would really enjoy it. I don't know that this is what the world needs, but okay, I won't stop you. And I actually think Julie Andrews is better than this. Like she was in the Sound of Music for Crying Out Loud. And like Julie Andrews is still the queen of Genovia because she's alive. So what's the premise? No, I seriously don't know.

And I just want to say not to be like a hater negative queen, but that's who I am. And I don't like this. I don't think we need it. Let bygones be bygones. Like can't, why do we have to like destroy the legacy of every great franchise by doing some like half-ass reboot 10 years later? 20. The thing is, this will be good. Okay.

Because Anne Hathaway only does quality work. Same with Julie Andrews. Like this will be good. That is true. Even at its best. Like, do we need this? No. What do you consider Anne Hathaway's like breakout role? Is it princess diaries?

Yeah. That's her breakout. Cause that's before devil wears Prada. Yeah. But devil wears Prada brought her to like another level category of like Oscars and stuff. They're also doing a devil wears Prada reboot. Like let things be done. No, they're also doing, they're doing a two, a number two from something about Emily, like Emily in Paris or something like, Oh, which by the way, I watched Emily in Paris. Like, and I,

Like they've actually taken it too far in terms of like, we used to like Kiki and watch because it was like bad and funny. Now it's just bad and bad. Like it's actually like a bad TV show. I stopped watching. I stopped watching. Yeah, sorry. Everyone's like, tells me I would love it. I'm like, I don't, I like, I watched it. I don't even like it. But like you low key would love it now that I think about it. I know.

I know and I don't know that it doesn't do for me what you think it was. It doesn't like scratch that itch. Instead I'm like yucky. Yeah because it's kind of like a bold type type of show. It's about like women in the workplace being cutesy. Yeah cute. It's not serious. Like it's fashion but like I don't know it doesn't it doesn't capture me. It doesn't have heart. Oh by the way it does not have heart. Yeah I need heart. You do. You're kind of like a lover like that.

I am. That's amore. That's amore. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Yeah. Strip that down for me, baby. A little box office news. The Joker 2 has premiered at the box office, and the numbers are a little lackluster for The Joker 2. No, by the way, they are extremely lackluster, and the story, the headline here is...

After all the hoopla, Filet-A-Doux is like flopping majorly. Filet-A-Duty? It's Filet-A-Duty. And there's like a theory going around that the director, Todd, like destroyed the movie. And like Lady Gaga and Joaquin, like they know it's bad. There's nothing they could do about it. Like they tried their best. And like this director like seriously destroyed it. And they got like, you know, some bullshit standing ovation, which like now we know means nothing. Yeah.

And this video has gone viral of people trying to read their lips because it appears like Joaquin Phoenix says to Lady Gaga, it's horrible. Now they could be talking about a million things being like, oh, isn't it annoying when everybody stands up for you? Yeah, it's horrible. Like they could have said that about anything. Yeah. These seats are not comfortable. Oh yeah. My coccidinia is flaring up. It's horrible. Yeah. So,

Now we're just like looking at everything with this lens because like the movies, like it's apparently a very bad movie. And like apparently Lady Gaga doesn't stop singing in it. Like every time like there's a problem, they're like, what do we do? And she's like, like she doesn't stop. It's giving toast. Anyways, Joker Falea do a genre bending sequel to the billion dollar comic book smash. Yeah, you have to remember like those are the numbers they're reaching for here. It's a comic book. It's in the comic family. And Joker 1 was like...

Right. Gangbusters. It hit a sour note at the box office, even as it opened at number one, but with a $40 million opening weekend. Ticket sales were behind the initial productions of 50 to 65 million, a range that was already revised down in the subsequent weeks since Joker 2 landed on pre-release tracking with $70 million. Right. And they also, I believe, had like a $300 million budget. This is like a huge movie. This is bad. Yeah. I imagine they'll make their money back like at the end of the day. But...

It's so crazy. And also it's like, okay, so say the movie was bad, but like there are plenty of Joker fans who have to like go and see the movie in order to find out that it's bad. Yeah. Like, because the weird thing about this is like you said, it's like a Marvel DC, it's a comic movie. But, but the Joker has always had like a little bit more of a serious edge to it. It's almost like a mental health film. Right. But this one, they really made like really artsy. And like the people who watch, like,

comic books are very like mass america like they don't want to see like lady gaga scatton and joaquin phoenix like being like an artist like it's like they took it like too seriously the venn diagram circles are getting farther apart did you see that clip of them doing um press with the water no okay i actually want to send it to you it is one of the wait okay it is that one of the funniest things it's just like a little faux pas they're sitting and drinking water um

How are we spelling Joaquin Phoenix? I'm just going to say Lady Gaga water. Yeah, okay. I texted it to you. Okay. If you guys know what video I'm talking about, like, actually, it's so stupid, it just really made me giggle. And I'll explain what it is after Jackie watches it. Joaquin Phoenix almost made Lady Gaga spit out her water. Just tap the water. She grabbed the water for herself, and he thought it was for him. Like, it's so stupid. But this is the only thing I've really seen from the movie. I think these two, like, got along so well. This, uh...

Clint made me laugh so hard. I think they like love each other, but she always does that like with her co-stars, but I think they have like a real friendship, which is kind of nice. Just like a fun fact about like coming out of the movie, even though like the movie is flopping. Oh my God, this made me laugh so hard. Like so stupid. I thought it was going to be not a sweet moment. Oh no, it's like so far it's been fine. Like it's been good. And I think they really like, and they're kind of an unlikely duo, like from a personality standpoint. Yeah.

They're both like so serious and artists, but they're also both in relationships. So like maybe men and women can just be friends. Isn't that the age old question? I have something crazy to say because I know who Joaquin Phoenix is. Like obviously. That men and women can't just be friends. No, no, no. It's about Joaquin Phoenix. Like, and I know these people are so different. Like, but I do sometimes like,

get a little bit confused. And it's like, I don't get confused because I know Joaquin Phoenix, but he does like, to me, like him and Quentin Tarantino are like interchangeable. In the same bucket. They have the same face.

Yeah. It's also crazy that like that's Johnny Cash. Yeah. And so we like we grew up watching Walk the Line. Like it's like one of our family movies. And like I know like I know Joaquin Phoenix. I've known and loved him forever. I like I know who he is. When I was growing up like I actually could not tell Julia Roberts and Sandra Bullock apart. Like I would be like these two women are the same. Yeah.

Yeah, they were. They were. They're similar elk. It's all about elk. Now, we're going to do Love is Blind recap, but I think it might be helpful. I know you put your iPad away because I still am not clear on everyone's names. I'm not clear on everyone's names, but you'll know who I'm talking about. I just want to get like the couples, like the current couples. The scientists, I don't know their names. Oh, Garrett. G. Taylor. Tailored.

Then there's... Okay, let's go couple by couple because they're like obviously the front runners. They got engaged first. I think she's literally gorgeous. I love that he's a physicist. She's so gorgeous. She's like...

It couldn't be more perfect for each other. I genuinely think that they're soulmates. I don't know what happens next with them, but I'm really looking forward and I hope that they're like the one couple of the season. My only concern with her is like, it feels like she doesn't know how to be in love. Like she's rigid. It was like her walls up and it kind of feels like he's like, she's still like keeping him at arm's length, like making him chase her when it's like, you're engaged now. Like now it's time to like switch into like the,

the loving part and I feel like that could come between them but I'm very much rooting for them and that's like a small problem to have.

after yeah you know and I thought it was such an interesting um it made for a um more dynamic group like I think the city that they film and like always has a reflection on the people and um like I think that like the Portland Seattle group was like up until this group the worst group and you know there is like a stigma yeah Chicago who was Chicago Chicago Shane

Yeah, Deep T, Natalie. That, yeah, that was like a bad group. That was the worst season so far. Yeah, a thousand percent. Worst group until we met the folks from D.C. I actually felt like it was really promising at first. I thought the people, because they're from D.C., they're all like really like accomplished and professional. I feel like some of my concerns with the show always on my complaints is like people speak in not real sentences. Like you're not even saying anything. And every other word is like, like, like, and they speak like in TikTok language.

I actually thought that these people were like really eloquent and mature. And I was like, it was giving Love is Blind UK. That was like my initial, my initial reaction to the group. And then it just like slowly started to deteriorate. And then like the people they decided to focus on, like they just chose the work. Well, it's not that they chose. It's like, that's how it ended up. Like, no, because they chose not to follow Brittany and Leo. And to me, like I only have the most to say about Brittany and Leo. Like the way that whole saga happened.

captivated me of course at the beginning like Leo our dealer like with the big Jewish star around his neck like please make it stop. - Like seriously kill me. - The end though like I could deal with him and I was sort of rooting for him even though he like was really annoying along the way and like the talking about money

and by the time like him and Brittany got together I wanted them to get together just to like get on with the experiment now of course like he wanted Hannah and Hannah denied him and then he like pretends like Brittany's his first choice and we all know it didn't happen that way but like I want to be engaged to someone like give me some something um and so I also wanted when there's a four people and someone has a connection with two people like I like when everybody gets a partner of course and then we

I can like iron out the details in Mexico, but like let's all go to Mexico instead of like what happened with like Jimmy and Chelsea and Jessica and Trevor. We got like two people and then we have to go wait to the lake till everyone sees each other like that for entertainment value. I like when everybody has a partner, but at least like they all ended up seeing each other. I don't think Brittany and Leo come back on the show at all. Well, the fact that they didn't follow their engagement is so confusing to me because I thought they were the most interesting, entertaining couple ever.

He was got so much airtime as did she. And towards the end, I was kind of like, they're kind of perfect for each other. Like she wants a wealthy guy and he's a wealthy guy and he wants like a beautiful girl that he could take care of. And she's a beautiful girl who wants to be taken care of. So they made it so obvious that they like both were just like, so here for the wrong reasons that like, I don't think in good faith, like,

they could have continued. You can't reward that type of behavior. Like, to get engaged to someone and not be able to tell them that you love them, like, that's not a real engagement. Like, this whole thing, by the end, it was such a farce. Like, the girl he wanted said no, and then, like, he just chose some other random girl. Like, it was such a farce, and it was so fake that the one thing about, by the way, the one thing about this show, like, we could say what we want, it's like,

It is a legitimate experiment. Like they almost always end up with multiple couples, multiple people's married. There are a million people who are still married. Like this, I really think like if they had continued with this charade, like it would have chipped away at the authenticity of the experiment. But that happens all the time when someone's between two people, one person makes the choice and then they go to the second person. And there's a way to finesse it.

That is fine. And you get. These people were not trying to. Yeah but Hannah and Brittany were like talking. They usually don't talk. The girls. Or the two people. They were talking a lot in the lounge. Yeah. Like sharing. If Chelsea had chosen Trevor.

Jimmy could have chosen Jess, even though like we knew she was kind of second place, but like it could have been finesse. So the fact that they couldn't, I don't know, make that believable for us. But I guess, and I know that like they're looking for serious couples, but they have serious couples. These two were so entertaining. I was genuinely shocked that they decided not to follow them. Brittany obviously did not like him from a physical perspective. And like maybe she, like when the cameras were off, like, listen, I'm out. And maybe that's why they didn't follow them.

Maybe she couldn't fake it staying in a hotel room with this person. The entertainment value of like Hannah and other guy and Brittany and Leo in Mexico. Like they are also doing a TV show. Like I was ready and excited to see that. Now Hannah. That's always the best part of Mexico. Of course. The group function. And we didn't have that.

I had to pause the show and I was just then stalking them on Instagram. I found Leo's Instagram. He makes like a lot of content about art. I wasn't like not learning stuff. I was learning some stuff. I need to talk about Hannah because I feel like there was Taylor, right, on one end who went so far out of her way to not give any sort of indication as to what she looked like. She didn't even want him to know his mother's name because it would have been an indication of her race. Like I think, like this was, I saw a bunch of couples like so extreme in not sharing anything

their anything about their looks and then you know you're reminded of like Chelsea saying who you're it's like there are roundabout ways of saying what you look like oh my celebrity doppelganger is Megan Fox I felt like Hannah did that a lot she kept saying like I always choose the wrong guys who just want me for my looks and she just kept saying like a lot of really like leading types of things um while also saying that she was so um

worried about, like, she has her own insecurity. She brought up her weight a lot. And then for her to see her fiancé, who, by the way, say what you want about Nick. I know he has, like, a bad reputation. He has been nothing but steadfast in his obsession with Hannah. Like, he has given her no reason to doubt. And I want to say something about Monica in a second in regards to how me... What's that? Stephen's fiancé. Your favorite person, Stephen? Stephen. So...

For her to open the gates and the first thing she says is like, oh, he's small. He misled me saying he's a football player. Why? He literally is a football player. He's not even that small. By the way, he said he's a kicker. Like the kicker is always small. That she was like so turned off by his appearance when like the whole time it's like, I would love you if you were this. And she's asking, would you love me if I was a worm? And like, she wants unconditional love no matter what the person sees. And like, she can't get over the fact that like in her big ass heels, she's taller than him. Like girl, take your heels off. No, she's,

awful I thought that was so rude and so like you expect that sort of like dumb shallow behavior from a man like not from a woman who's really actually seriously looking for let me tell you the problem with Hannah is she's 26 okay she's so immature she's obviously 26 but also like really immature really insecure so she reads like an actual 18 year old

So yeah, her age is really a hindrance in this process. It's funny because Leo said she was like the most mature one that he's met. No.

Oh my God, that conversation where she tried to break up with Leo and she's just screaming, sighing, crying, throwing up. Right, because she can't even like stand behind the decision that she made because she doesn't know what decision to make. It was so funny watching that just juxtaposed with Marissa, who I have other issues with, but Marissa had two connections, Bodden and Ramsey's, and they were both going really well. Like she's having so much fun with both of them. And then she just sits Bodden down and says one, like we have so much fun, but I find-

Listen, and it's very similar to like the love is blind UK guys. But Naya, she sits him down and said, we have a really strong connection. But my connection with Ramsey's is a little more romantic that she's able to identify that and also say, and now I want to spend the time working on my one connection, not get to the last day, having spread myself with two connections the entire time. I'm like, that is maturity. That's emotional maturity. True.

The fact that Hannah couldn't do that, couldn't identify which connection she liked more and then like zero in on it. And when she finally did make a choice, couldn't even stand by that choice. And, and Leo was making it easy for her because he was being a dick. So it's like, oh, well thank you for telling me what I need to know. He was being a dick and she still didn't even break up with him. Like she just loved having two guys and like she wanted to be a main storyline. Like I found her. And then when she said that thing about Nick, who I can't believe Nick has such a bad reputation. Like, oh, he's charming. He's like a smooth talker, not a crime. Um,

But here's also a good example because in Love is Blind UK, there was a guy who was saying all the right things. Sam. Sam. And for some reason you couldn't believe what he was saying. Like he was saying everything perfect, but it just like wasn't, it was just intuition saying like this guy's full of shit.

And we had confirmation because the men said, this guy is bad news. He's there for the wrong reasons. We never had that with Nick. I feel like if he was one of those guys, Leo could have easily said to Hannah, by the way, Nick is not here for the right reasons. Like he's got issues with the guys in the house. That wasn't the case. She had no reason to doubt him.

other than just a feeling. And so my issue with Monica is that like, I felt like Hannah was getting such bad advice in the pods. Like, I mean, in the lounge, she would have the pods and like have her feelings come back and tell everyone. And Monica and that other sports casting girl were being like, you can't choose Nick. But she initially liked Nick. Like she was like, Nick, really? This one.

And Monica has such a hard-on for Nick. Like, she literally walked in and, like, to that beach. You didn't see. In Mexico, when they all meet for the first time, she sees Nick and then makes a comment in her thing, like, oh, he's small, and basically calling him ugly. It's like, bitch, you ended up with a man who's a cheater. Okay, Steven? I mean, I guess you could technically, in a technical definition, define me as a cheater. Bitch, you literally cheated. Monica, you chose a cheater. Close your mouth. Stop judging other people. Claudia, I forgot that Steven's even a cheater. Steven is so many things. He's seriously, like...

Like the worst, most insufferable type of man. Yeah. I, I don't like, I was not, I kept forgetting about them. Like they're very forgettable and they were like talking about their connection. I'm like, it's the connection in the room with us. What are you guys talking about? And I just think that like, she got so fixated. His story is obviously crazy. Like you see him, he's just like a white guy. He, his whole life thought he was Italian. Does one of those tests. Turns out he's like,

80% Nigerian, Ghanaian. - By the way, the percent keeps changing. His dad is a quarter. - His dad is three fourths, that's what it was. - And then he said his dad is three fourths, that's what he said. - So it turns out he has like huge-- - That doesn't make Stephen 80%. - No, it doesn't. But he has this huge African background and I guess when he found that out, his first thing that he did was go buy some books on his culture, like very normal, that's what a mature, curious person does.

She acted, he bought books. Like he's also a cheater. Like everything else went out the window when he bought a book. Like, and I understand like being happy. Somebody has respect for their culture. I think that's beautiful. But I felt like it just, it was like the only thing she thought of when there were so many other red flags with him. No. And the thing is to me, the cheating isn't even a huge red flag because Freddie from Love is Blind had cheated and we could forgive him a thousand times over. The way he told the story was,

well, I have to, you know, I hate the label, but I guess technically I'm a cheat. Like just fucking fess up. And I also think the cheating that he did is like kind of one of the worst kinds. He slid into someone's DMs. He had like an emotional affair. That's like being, having those thoughts. Like not just, I made a mistake one time. I was drunk. You laid a plan.

That's really fucking crazy to have like an ongoing emotional affair with someone in a lot of ways. Like I think that that's what's worse. And also the fact of the way he tried to like say it while acting like he's taking accountability, but like passing it off is like not that bad. And bringing it up. That's what I mean when I say he's like so insufferable because he's like, I'm accountable and this and that. But like, you're really not. And I'm sure there's more to the story.

There always is. Oh my God. And Monica was just really pissing me off. Like giving, like Hannah wasn't helping herself, but she's younger. And these older women were giving her advice. Like they were giving her bad advice. And like, they were kind of like mocking her for liking Nick. And I think that's why she told him to go home. I think she like felt embarrassed. Like everybody was making fun of her. Like that other girl who works in sports casting, who had like two dates with Nick being like, yeah, I can't believe like you fell for like smooth talk. Shut up.

I guess, but that's, that didn't bother me as much because like, if you love someone and you have a connection with them, like you should be able to like withstand some chatter from the girls who don't see him like you see him. Like that's her being, it's all on Hannah, like being immature. I don't want to say that only like older people should go on this show because I don't think that that's true. And I think at 26 frontal lobe there, you can be old enough to go on the show, but like she didn't know thyself. She didn't know what she was looking for. She didn't have like the confidence in her own decisions and it's a mess.

It's a mess. I completely agree. I'm sorry. I only brought it up because when Monica comes in, she just says something nasty about Nick. Got it. About his looks. It put it into context, like everything she had been saying about him. She has like a hard-on for him. Like, shut up. I just want to say, like, am I crazy? Like, Nick is a very good-looking guy. I have no idea what these people are talking about. He's so normal-looking. He could be on The Bachelor. He's 5'9", which isn't short, but it's not tall.

And if she takes her heels off, she is shorter than him. It's literally the least big deal. So if you are someone who wants to be shorter than your man, like you can achieve that. And he didn't have a problem with it. He said, wear your heels. Just don't wear the clod hoppers. He said, wear your heels during the reveal. You could wear a kitten heel.

- She had kitten heel of difference. - Let's talk about Tyler and Ashley A, who are like my favorite couple until I found out this morning. Like to me, they were the old, like really the only reason I was keep watching. They have this really nice conversation about, she's like, and they're both really religious. So at first you think it's about that, but it's really not. She's like, I've been doing, I've been like keeping abstinence or I'm sorry, I don't know what the right verb is, but I've been doing abstinence. - I've been abstinent. - I've been abstaining. Oh my God, are we okay?

And not for any religious reason. It was this thing called like soul swapping. I had never heard of it, but he was like, totally. Like he knew what she was talking about. And I guess it's this thing where like, you know, sex is so personal and so intimate, just like to have casual sex. Like you feel like you're giving a piece of your soul away and like you want to keep that for yourself. And she's like, I've just not been having sex with like, with guys that I'm not seriously seeing. And he was like, totally respect that. I love it. They prayed together before bed. Like I just fucking love these people. And I thought that their connection was so authentic that,

I loved him. Like every time they went to the guy's quarters, he was like that guy hyping up other guys. Like I just like, I seriously, I thought they were like the best couple ever. Now the children.

There's obviously nothing wrong with having kids. Right. But it appears as though he is really minimizing his involvement in the kid's life. And the mom and grandma of the kids are sharing all these pictures being like, what are you talking about, sperm donor? Has he mentioned to Ashley that he has these kids? I haven't gotten there yet.

I think you should wait and make the decision for yourself. Like, I think there is a way in which he's minimizing it for good reason. Like maybe to protect the identity, which that I understand, but the mom is now posing pics of the kids. Like, okay, that's her choice. Yeah. I think, and it's also like, you know, she'll get some eyeballs from this process, but not as much as him. I think you can wait. They don't, that doesn't have to ruin the show for you. Cause like seriously, by the end of the episode I was watching, I was only tuning in for them.

What about the scientists? The scientists are really compatible and really cute. They are not interesting. Britney and Leo were interesting. Yeah. Okay. Britney. Anyone else? And also Hannah and Nick are interesting. Yeah. Oh, a lot of the cast members look very different. Yes. Garrett looks really different now.

Hannah is a completely new person. She has hair like down to her ankles. She's lost like a ton of weight. She had said that she had recently lost 45 pounds. I feel like she was in the middle of a journey. Yeah. Because now she's at the end of the journey. I also feel like when you're in the middle of a transformative journey like that, transforming inside and out, like it's not the time to like

be going on a show like this and meeting your potential life partner. Like you're still figuring yourself out. However, like love is blind only comes to DC once in a while, like sign me up. By the way, that's such a good point. Like going through a physical transformation, like really fucks with your head. And it's like, I can only imagine dating on that. Dating plus being on a show. That's not about looks.

Claudia being on a show that's not about looks until it becomes all about looks and like looks is like the, the hover, the elephant in the room. And it's like, it's a mind fuck before you're even going through a transformative formative journey. I also want to say, so while I was on my Leo, Brittany, like rabbit hole, like wanted to see their trip to Miami. Um, Leo posted a bunch of stuff about how a lot of the people in the house and they've attested to this, um,

Had no idea that he had money or came from money and that he actually did not talk about it that much. Now we heard about him talk about it like three separate times and it sounded like that was all he was talking about. But it seems as though those were like the three times he talked about it.

It wasn't like this big thing. One girl commented like, oh, Leo, I didn't know you were Richie Rich. Like, call me. And then someone, maybe it was Tyler, went on the vile files. Oh. And they asked him about Leo. Like, what are your thoughts on Leo? And because he's obviously getting like the villain edit. Uh-huh. And he was like, I didn't know anything about Leo. He never mentioned that. He seemed like a really good guy. Like, he really like was vouching for him. Oh.

And it just made me like question what we saw about him. Now, of course, like there were things that he said that he said those things and deal with that. But like, I do feel like he got the villain edit a little bit. Oh, for sure. And I don't think he's a bad person. If anything, he's just like an annoying loser. But-

I boiled it down. I know what's wrong with Leo. Because the thing is, when you grow up uber wealthy, the assumption is that you're cool. You have had experiences most people never have. Like he said, country club Rolex. And then the Rolex was passed down from his grandfather. That's different than just going out and buying a Rolex. He is inherently uncool.

And so he says things that like, if a cool person said it, you might think it was different, but there's just like, he's not suave like that. And he thinks he is. So he's just an uncool rich person, which it's hard to be like to be rich. It's like half the work is done for you, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I just thought there was entertainment value there and I was really shocked that they cut us off. Now the last two couples that we haven't spoken about, Ramsey's and Marissa. I have something to say about Marissa and I know every time I recap with you, I bring up this conversation about Will Ferrell and you probably didn't think anything of it. No, I thought it was so weird. Okay, it was like a dumb question. First of all, Will Ferrell's funnier. She was like, Will Ferrell or Adam Sandler? It's a fine question, honestly. I have no problems with it. It's a little weird. But I felt like when she asked it and then the conversation that happened after, like really pinpointed that she was just like,

such a people pleaser because she was like, okay, Will Ferrell or Adam Sandler? And her belief is that like Will Ferrell is the least funny person on the planet and like Adam Sandler invented comedy. So Ramsey's, was it Ramsey's or was it the other guy? Ramsey's. He says...

Oh, Will Ferrell. And she like vehemently disagrees with it. So they answered the question, there was A or B and they both chose separate things. - And she asked that question as like a test. - Of like match of compatibility. - Not just like this or that, this or that. She was like, this is the question I have to ask you. - But then Ramses was like, but I will say like elf is not good.

And she was like, oh my God, I agree. We're soulmates. No, you literally just vehemently, like you're on opposite sides. If that's the test for compatibility, you failed. And I know it was such a dumb small moment, but I really felt like it was like, oh, you're not a serious person.

No, you're not a serious person. Like, Will Ferrer, Adam Sandler, who gives a fuck? They're the same thing. No, it's such a bad question. My issue was with the question, not even with the way she contorted herself to make the answer work for her. Yeah, but it was a window, I feel, like into them not working out. Like dead ass. Yeah. But I do think he's a better match for her.

then I'm so sorry Bowden I actually liked what she said because they both were having great conversation and because she has the people because they're everything was like yeah we're the same we're the same oh my god we're literally soulmates we're soulmates we're soulmates by the way I just want to say like two people should not be the same right isn't that the old adage opposites attract like if you find someone who is your carbon copy like you probably shouldn't be together just based on like the laws of physics no it's so true yeah um but when she said like she had more romantic feelings and more it was more friendly with bottom I'm like okay that

That's a good enough reason for me. Yeah. And I thought she was very mature about her decision. Like I don't have any problems with what she did really in the pot. I thought her strategy was so fair. She was very communicative with everyone. It was when you put it up against like the other love triangle, it was so much better handled. Like so much better handled. There's a clean, I don't envy anyone in that position. You're making a big decision. That's going to affect a lot of people's lives potentially for the rest of their life.

it's a hard decision to make, but it can be done well. There is nothing wrong with having multiple connections, but at some point, like you have to just have one and to be on the last day before you get proposed to, he's still talking to another girl. Like that's not it. Yeah. And don't you want to like focus on that one and strengthen it so that when you do say yes to an engagement, like you really feel like, you know, this person and that's your fiance. Yeah. Yeah.

And same goes for Leo, by the way. He'd handled it like shit too. He should have made a choice earlier on. But as you said, like he wanted to be on the show. So you don't do that. And I think he liked Hannah more.

But she wasn't ready to choose him. So he was just sort of waiting it out. The thing is, I don't even know if he liked Hannah more. I think this happens a lot on the show where like a girl is in a love triangle with another woman. And she is so like, because women are more emotional. Like we seek clarity. We just want to know what page we're on. And someone being like, I don't know. I love you both. Like that's infuriating. So they get to a place where every date they have with this person just turns into like an argument about the other person. And then so Leo's like, well, I like Brittany, but every time we hang out, we fight.

And so it's always like one of them starts every conversation. Yes. Where you kind of self-sabotage because you just want answers. And then the man thinks of you like, oh, this girl is kind of miserable. And so you do like you implode. And like Jess was like, listen, you have to tell me. And he was like, OK, it's not you. Right. I just like I'm not a big on parallel universes, but I would like love to see what would happen if like Jimmy had chosen Jess. I actually don't think they would have worked out.

Really? Yeah. She's like a whole lot of woman. And like, the thing is in the pods, I think he was maybe a hot commodity, but like in the real world, I don't think so. But she's like, like she would have loved him and he would have loved, I don't know. I think they had more pretentious than Jimmy and Chelsea. Um, the last couple is Tim and Alex. Now I want to say, I,

Is that Nation of Islam? Yeah. I'm personally not watching their journey. That's when I check my phone. The fact that they would talk about that like admiringly when it's like a deeply racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic organization. That's where I checked out. But I'm not going to let that ruin the season for me. No. And to be clear, I just wanted to say because I then like I know Nation of Islam as like Louis Farrakhan. I'm not anti-Semitic. I'm just anti-termite. And I actually that's what he says. I'm not anti-Semite. I'm an anti-termite.

I then like went on their Wikipedia page, like really to see what they're all about. Okay. By the way, I didn't realize like that. I want it to be clear. Like nation of Islam is like a nationalist group. They are not Muslim. Like they're two separate things. Like I just want to be entirely clear about that. And, and,

they like their beliefs are that like Jews injected the black community with AIDS. Like they start. That's one. But that one really stuck with me. I was like, oh my God, that's new. Like they are the, I completely agree. No, it would literally be like her sitting there being like, my grandfather has a photo with David Duke. Like it's the same thing. And the fact that,

It not, there was nothing like about how terrible it is. She was proud. And then he was like, oh wow. That's like with Malcolm X. I'm like, uh, no thanks. Yeah. I agree. I was, I was really shook by that. I was like, oh. So whether they're right for each other or doing well, I have no idea. I'm not paying attention. Well, I just want to say she obviously does not like him in a physical sense. And she is like, really, she's not being awful to him, but she's not being like,

And I actually think he's a really nice guy. I think he's like a very, I think he's like the type of guy you would be lucky to have, right? He's very communicative. He has this, he shared all these things with him, with her about his sisters who both passed away. Like she gave him those, I think she's so unworthy. I think she like, I think in the pods, I was like, oh, I think she's genuine. And now in person, I feel like she's just like completely written him off, but she doesn't want to be, you know, shallow.

Understood. So she'll wait. Yeah. Until the proposals are done. But there are so many couples. I know. And I feel like a lot of times there's like, you know, eight couples that go to Mexico or eight couples that get engaged and Netflix does their own pairing down to like five or six. They could have used a little bit of pairing down. Like there are some couples here who are really uninteresting. Like who? Monica and Steven are like, I think that they're, they're not interesting at all. Honestly. Yeah.

And I don't think that their chemistry, because I don't think Garrett and Taylor are interesting at all either, but their chemistry is interesting. And like the show needs serious couples like that. And they're wildly interesting people. They're so smart. Literally the first thing she said when she was talking Nick and Vanessa about like retro grading date, like she's just so smart. She's a pleasure to listen to. The fact that they have those little like theories about like the hot...

It's so fucking cute. It's lessons in chemistry. Like we need that. Even though they're not the most interesting, like it's like Lauren and Cameron.

Yes, a thousand percent. You need those like core couples. Yeah, they're like one of my faves right now. No, and the thing is, they're such a big group. And when they all get together, there is no crossover. Like there's no love triangle that made it out. That's where the entertainment lies. So if you're going to have such a big group for that reason, like because there's a bunch of, you know, people who used to date. Love that. Throw them all in a pool. Perfect. I really think it was a mistake to not follow Brittany and Leo. I know they don't want to encourage their sponsor behavior, but like they've got plenty of it already. And it would take away from the...

from the entertainment value of the show. And I was really floored by that decision because we've never followed a couple, watch them get engaged, and then they say, we've decided not to follow them. Jackie, do you know we're going on an hour and 45 minutes? I don't know.

I just was looking at the clock. I'm like, there's no way. It makes sense. We had so much to talk about today. Oh my God. I just got up. I'm literally sweating my back. Oh my God. Okay. We could call it. The Kurds are at their limit. No, but we just like actually have to get the episode up. Yeah. Yeah. That's going to be even longer because it's an hour 45. Okay. Um, I also just wanted to say Brittany from love is blind. Like is Bridget from the bar. Like if you guys follow at Bridget on Instagram, they look and talk the same and it's a compliment. They're both beautiful. I want to say by the end, like I was so endeared to Brittany. That's also why I wanted to follow her journey. Like Bridget,

Did she find the man for her? She was seriously so sweet. You thought at the beginning that she was going to be like superficial, like gold digger. She was not that. Yeah. Not that at all. Okay. That's our show. Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast and Lightning Morning Show. We deliver the fast, fast stories you need to every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please remember to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast and where podcasts can be found. So that's Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Public Radio, iOttawa, Kessbox, all the places where we listen to podcasts. We're also a TV fast story about a beautiful setting and wickedly talented we are. Have a great day. Love ya. Bye.