Broke Bitches Should Never Laugh: Wednesday, October 30th, 2024
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Good morning Millennials! Welcome back to the Chose and Happy Wednesday of Gargi Pargi Hump Day. Speaking of Gargi Pargi Humping, it's Jax Volley. Gargi Pargi Energy. Hey, Tertellu. Gargi Pargi Energy. I have a hot take. Okay. I literally hate the word energy and like I use it. I'm not saying like that people who use it are bad. I thought you were going to say something else.

thought you were gonna say you hate the word party because there how my god that would be like me saying I hate you I know there have been a couple people in the comments like I can't wait for like party to like cycle through it like a couple haters and I just thought I don't know I thought they got to you Jackie you really can't take I just I thought that you can't take feedback like that seriously honestly and I've noticed this too like I think internet culture people in the humanity in general it's specifically internet culture like comes people

People become like Especially insufferable During election season And I feel like That's what you were receiving Yeah for sure I think I receive a lot of that Actually if we're gonna be real Like I'll say this guy is blue And they'll just not like it Cause it's election season Cloud seating Yeah no I'm telling you Everybody's sort of like

Everybody is definitely embracing like the worst version of themselves, especially as internet users. So that's probably what you were receiving when you heard people saying that they want Pargy to stop. I would never say that. Okay. Thank you so much. I knew that you wouldn't. I just got afraid. I was scared. I gave you a fright? You gave me a fright, all's to say. All's to say that it's Wednesday. It's a Pargy day. Thank you. And I don't like the word energy. Let's talk about energy.

Yeah, I feel as though, you said this once about the word vibe, that like the word becomes so overused and you don't even remember what word it replaced. Right. And so we're all saying like big dick energy. Oh, it's like good energy. Like what the hell are you talking about? You know? Yeah. And it's another one where I don't think it really replaced a tangible word. Therefore, it is here to stay. A la It's Giving. Yeah.

Correct. So I think that as much as you might not want it part of your vernacular, you'll have to like get comfortable seeing it. Being uncomfortable. And being uncomfortable, exactly. I'm kind of used to it at this point. Yeah, but it is gargi-pargi energy.

It is Gargi Parginus. And we have a great show today. It's Wednesday, which means we have dear toasters. We have lots to do. We have stories. We left you guys on a cliffhanger yesterday talking about the top creators. So that will be first because I know some of you like could not sleep last night wondering who the top creators are according to Forbes. I am glad that we...

because when I was in the tub yesterday, I actually read the whole thing and I went through the list. And I have so many thoughts, so I'm glad that I was able to take time to do my research and development. And yeah, I'm looking forward to sharing what I have to share with the world. Well, I hope that you will share. I will share and I will care. That's beautiful. Also, speaking of creators, myself, if you're listening to this, I just...

a Patreon episode on our Patreon of what I did yesterday, the big reveal. Zach and I test drove Teslas, including a Cybertruck. We vlogged the whole thing. You drove it. I drove the Cybertruck. Like, I just don't believe it. You have to watch the vlog. It is so funny. It's also like kind of educational if you're at all interested in

Tesla's we looked at Model X, I drive the Model Y and there's a Cybertruck. So three different types of cars. But as I said in the video, like I'm not trying to make like a Carfax video, like here are the best features. Like what are the vibes? Is it swirly? I'll let you know. Now I don't want to spoil like the ending, but overall, like give me, you know, one word, your impression of the truck. Fan-fucking-tastic.

Oh my God, she's literally getting a Cybertruck. You guys, I can't. - No, watch the vlog, you'll see the pros and cons and like for my lifestyle, practically speaking, like, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna get a car like as a bit, you know? I have to put my groceries in there. - Of course.

- There's a family in there. - Actually that part is the easiest part. There's a back row, two car seats, let's go. But like groceries in the truck bed, I don't really think so. The frunk isn't as frunky as my frunk. You'll see all the pros and cons, but like if you have the opportunity to test drive a Cybertruck, take it because being inside of it is so awesome.

Patreon.com slash a toast. You're not going to want to miss this one. You're really not. Honestly, you might want to buy some Tesla stock today because after that vlog, it's going through the roof. To the moon. I feel like you can't even make a joke like that because people will be like, insider trading. Please. Like if anybody...

You know what I was just about to make a joke that literally was going to land me in jail. No I know so I just want to say like that was a joke. Tesla stock is like over a trillion. There's nothing my little flock behind the paywall is going to do to change that okay. I actually bought some Tesla stock like a million years ago. I use one of those apps. I have like a

little bit of money in there and I don't really tinker with it. I bought a couple of apps. I asked Brian at the time, I was like, what should I invest in? He's like, invest in what you actually use. So I literally bought like the real, real stock, revolve stock, like things. Yeah. I guess I like only shop at loser companies. Every single one is like majorly down. And it's been like two years. I don't even check it every day. Like I wanted to make some long-term investments. I do think overall I'm down. Disney, that's like, that one's kind of fine. I bought Etsy too. Like just really nothing that was...

To the moon. You bought Dogecoin? Are you still sitting on your Doge?

- Yeah, I bought Dogecoin. - Claudia was a part of Dogemania. I don't know if you guys were toasters during that time, but Claudia bought Doge when it was going up and she was keeping us abreast on her earnings and she was deciding whether or not to sell. I think also it was around the time like Elon and SNL, Doge went to the moon. - So here's what happened, ready? Ben's friends actually were really onto Doge early on and he was telling me about it. I was like, okay. It was 3 cents, it was so crazy cheap and they're like, "It's going to the moon." I think I spent like $20, literally.

And I had gotten like a decent amount and it was growing and it was growing and everybody was like, hold it, hold it, hold it. And then when Elon went on SNL, that's when it peaked and I was asleep. And I woke up the next morning and it never went back up again. Like I seriously missed the whole thing.

But it was going up for like days. No, I think it like. Of course, no, it was weeks leading up. And then literally Elon being on SNL, everybody sold it at the, it was just, everyone was talking about it. He mentioned it on SNL live. So it was like, it was a hot button thing. And I was asleep. And the next morning it was back down and I never went back up. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry. That's classic. You try to get involved in something. Yeah. No, like so close to being somewhere. Yeah. Just like your senior play.

actually I spoke to Olivia this morning five feet from stardom 50 feet from stardom I spoke to Olivia this morning and she also had like a crazy story about her senior play ready because she said um you know she auditioned and Olivia actually does like if she was a lovely voice if she was in another family like she would be the girl with the good voice but in she just kind of lives in my shadows but she does have like a very party licious like very pretty voice lovely lovely voice

She auditioned and she told me what song, I spoke to her this morning, and she told me what song it was. I don't remember. It was really weird. It was like Let It Be or something, like really lame. That's a classic song though. And she was like, it was so good. And there was like three students running, you know, the production. They gave her a piece of shit role. And at prom, Olivia was like, Olivia knew one of the girls, like the theater girls had it out for her. And it was like a conspiracy theory in her own mind. And then at prom, the other two girls were like, we actually really wanted to give you the lead, but blank, blank, wouldn't let us.

So Olivia got confirmation of the corruption. Wow. I think someone needs to do a deep dive into this. Like Ryan Murphy. How about the Ramaz senior play for your next one? I do want to say that actually is a funny concept for a show that only Ryan Murphy could create. Like a senior play that goes all wrong. Yeah. It's giving a politician ex-glee.

Yeah, exactly. Oh my God. I'm so knee deep in glee and I'm so loving every minute of it. Last night I got to the episodes. Well, it's just one episode, her first cameo, Gwyneth Paltrow. And it's just, it's actually crazy. Me and Ben were saying like, she should have been the teacher for the whole show. Like she was, and really it's actually crazy how close Matthew Morrison comes to ruining the show in its entirety. Like he's actually disgraceful. His character is disgusting. Like he's always doing the craziest, most inappropriate shit. Like

it really shocks me. How many students are like in his house at all times? Like stop. It's really gross. Hollywood baby. Seriously. Like they were trying to normalize it and it's not normal. Sorry. I'm here to tell you. No, it's not like you should never see the inside of your teacher's home. Yeah. Okay. I, one time I saw the inside of my teacher's house of a high school teacher or college middle school teacher. Um,

She was kind of like more than a teacher to me, Ms. Beitner. She really like, she meant a lot to me. And I forget why I went over to her house for dinner with like three other students. I think we won like a competition or something. She made us a London broil. It was really good. Yum. Yeah, it was kind of like a night that meant a lot to me. Oh.

Oh, turdy. We're taking a lot of trips down memory lane. Oh, wait. This is also our final episode before Tostaween. It is. We haven't even talked about, like, Tostaween-y vibes. We haven't talked about it because I don't want to spoil it or overhype it. Like, it's going to be a moment in time. And I look forward to it. You know me. Like, I'm not really one for the theater, let's just say. But on Halloween, I leave it all on the episode.

Yeah. It's like what she couldn't give to her senior play. She gives to Halloween. Once a year, like you will get like camp theater. Campy. Yeah. I love that. I'm so excited. We'll have special guests coming through. So Toast to Ween. This is what our like eighth guest.

Well, we could count. I think maybe. Should we count all of our costumes? Let's go in order. Yeah. So when we dress up as each other, dark times. And I know I've seen a lot of requests. And that was the rest. So like it doesn't really count. But sure. I've seen a lot of requests for people wanting us to do it again. And just so you know, Jackie and I's relationship is far too fragile. Like we seriously can't. And I just want you to know like we actually considered it this year when we were pretty desperate. And we decided like. We still didn't do it. It wasn't worth it. Then it was the Kardashians. There's no way to do it without someone getting offended. Yeah.

No way. Then it was the Kardashians. And then it was the Jonas Brothers. Yes. Was it then Queen Elizabeth? Then it was the royal family. Okay. Then it was Ryan and Sharpay. Okay. Then it was the Kelsey Brothers. And then it's this year. That makes sense. We're in our seventh. Okay. I feel like we're missing something. Are we forgetting one? Forgettable. Yikes. Literally. What do you think is our most forgettable one?

Well, they're all amazing, so it would have to just be like the worst of the best, but maybe Ryan and Sharpay. Agreed. But like I had, I still loved it and I had so much fun. Of course, and we were like so obsessed with High School Musical. At the time, it was so authentic. Okay, by the way, we're always obsessed with High School Musical. One thing about us. No, no, but at the time, we had both just rewatched it. I just came up with a really good idea for Halloween. Tomorrow, you mean? Text it to me. Let me text it to you right now. It could be an emergency head-to-party city situation.

An emergency head to party city situation. I haven't gotten it. It could be. It could be. You let me know. We could also save it. Oh, no, it's not good. It's not good? Should I tell them what it was? Yeah. Really? Yeah, like I don't think we'll ever do it. I don't think it's good. Miley and Jackson. That would be so funny. Like shot Jackson. I think I would have to be Jackson. Did you see Jackson actually is making waves in the media? No. No.

over the weekend there was the premiere for the Wizards of Waverly Place like reboot or whatever they're doing so everyone showed up and Jackson actually said I had actually pitched this idea for Hannah Montana to Disney people like a year ago and the timing wasn't right but hopefully this like works out and it does well and it'll open up opportunities for all these other shows to have reboots oh like Jackson I love you so much and I love where your head's at because like yes me too I want more Hannah but no

- Like let Hannah. - Sleeping dogs. - Like there's no way. And again, it causes the same issue. Even if they do it well, it's like, who is it for? Like I wanna watch it, but then am I watching a kid show? And the kids of today could never appreciate the Hannah that we had. So it's not meant to be like, I don't even think this Wizards of Waverly Place is like that great of an idea, sorry.

Speaking of Selena, I finished Only Murders in the Building last night. The last episode came out. And I just want to say, like, it was good, but it was bad. And it was really confusing. And I still don't understand, like, who did it and why. Who done it? I'm sorry, turdy. I'm back on my LaCroix. Like I never left. I'm back on my Nespresso. We've got a lot to do today.

We do. And I feel like that's why we're kind of dragging our feet. I know. I know. But we'll feel good once it's done. And also like this is the last. It's as if we don't have a show tomorrow because tomorrow like we're not us. We're in character. We're other people. Yeah. So like we'll Jackie and Claudia will see you on Friday. It's so true. Who will be here tomorrow? I couldn't tell you. I mean I could but I won't. Yeah.

Yeah. So I guess let's get into, because we have a lot to do, and the cards can only sustain for so much energy. So much. In a non-Claudia irritating sort of way. Without further ado, here are the Fast Five stories that you need to know.

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Thank you, Turk Bread. You're welcome. Our first story, finally at long last. If you didn't Google it after yesterday's episode, now you may know the Forbes top creators of 2024. So are you ready to hear who they are? I thought, did you feel like the list was so strange? Because as I was reading the order, like the amount of money, because I thought like you would

make the list based on how much money you make. But like, it didn't go in numerical order. Like there were people who were number 12 who made more money than people in number five, you know, like they did it based on their own ranking system, which is interesting, but. Yeah, because it says like, it does,

say like highest earning creators like it doesn't say that it's just like a list of top to bottom I think they also editorialize it a little bit with they have their like entrepreneurship score so like if someone has a high score for like doing entrepreneurial I thought that was interesting just like getting brand deals or monetizing their YouTube channel like do they have other brands have they started a company like I think they use that to be like this is a top creator yeah I thought that entrepreneurship score like was really interesting like um

Kind of like shady, no? Because if you just make your money with like brand deals, that's not like a really dynamic or creative way of making a living, right? So for you, and then there was like a blurb about them. So it's like this person has a book, a tour, a podcast, like all these different things. And it was like kind of shady when it was like, oh, they work with different brands.

Yeah. So let's see who they were shady towards, even though I feel like really like entrepreneurial, like the first number one creator I feel like is the entrepreneur. And by the way of creators and that like should set the bar for the entrepreneurship score because like he does a million things and that's Mr. Beast.

His earnings, Forbes said, are $85 million this year. He has a total following of $503 million, million followers. Oh my God, I was like, wait, what? He has an entrepreneurship score of four. So let's just say that that's the highest score. I didn't see anyone higher.

I didn't see anyone higher either. And I think that like, yeah, creating like what is his main beat? YouTube, right? Yeah. But he has Mr. Beast chocolates. He has that Lunchly company. Like there are so many other ways to create and generate revenue beyond like the stereotypical like influencer type of ways. And he's a good example of somebody who does a million different things. Yeah. He has an Amazon show coming out called Beast Games. And as we've, I mean, we love talking about Mr. Beast. He gets in a lot of trouble.

I just think when you're seriously at that level. Well, did you see the drama now with Lunchly? Do you know what this is about? No. So him and Logan Paul started a company together that I actually think is really smart. I didn't even know that. It's a modern take on Lunchables. And it has like Mr. Beast chocolates in it and a prime in it. But it's supposed to be like less processed and just like a more forward modern version of lunchables.

And this girl, I don't know what type of content she makes. She was doing like a review comparing Lunchables to Lunchly and she opened the Lunchly and it was like covered in mold. And so it's kind of like people obviously like loved that and ran with it and like are, you know. Was it expired? It's everywhere. No. She had just bought it. That's not good.

And as we love to say, like do better beast. Do better beast. Although I do think it's like actually a really good concept for a company. Kids are obsessed with Prime. It's like seriously, remember we had those like silly bands, animal band bracelets, like how you would die for one. Like that's what kids, they collect Primes. So if you give them a healthy lunch with a Prime in it, like they'll probably eat it. Yeah. Yeah.

I am on the prime PR list and the Mr. Beast PR list. I would never. So am I. I don't want to step out of line. I also don't have anything negative to say. And I also share the PR with my neighbors who are like young boys who are obsessed. They're obsessed, right? Obsessed. It's like the best gift I could give. So I think that he's deserving of the first spot. I don't know who else I would even choose. A hundred percent. Like that's. And.

This is so funny because when I think of creators, I think of creators that I know and follow in the beauty, lifestyle space. But there are so many other gamers. That kid who reviews toys. The creators that I know aren't the only creators. Right. It's not just Alex Earl. Why is it Alex Earl number one? Alex Earl and Alex Earl. And Mikayla.

right right and I want to talk about Michaela number two Darman he earned 45 million dollars do you know who Darman is I do not can't say that okay did anybody else at like actually have their jaw hit the floor when they saw how much money Darman made so you've probably seen I don't know it's more so on TikTok but there are these like really corny like staged dramatized um kind of like

of like PSAs where it's like a roommate is drinking her roommate's orange juice and doesn't refill it. It's like teaching people like valuable life lessons in a really sort of like stupid corny way. Forbes called it a modern take on the after school special. Yes. And like a year or two ago they started going so viral on TikTok and everybody was like wow.

what are these videos? And then somebody like really explained it to our man. This is what he does. I was shocked when I found out how much money he made. Like, I didn't know you made money in this line of work. And I just love to see people getting creative. Yeah. He tackles bullying, racism, inequality as subjects for his videos that his team of more than 150 produced for his 23 million YouTube subscribers.

subscriber channel I mean there was one on fat phobia that like really kind of stuck with me as a youth myself yeah like this girl went to like this event and it was an open seat next to her and the girl was like heavier and there was a like one seat left and this girl showed up late and she like didn't want to sit next to the overweight girl and it was like and they do it in a way where it's like it's not actually like emotive like you're not like evoking like I'm not gonna cry while watching it it's kind of cringe but it's hilarious it drives home the point

And it's driving home the revenue. I'm shocked. How much did he make? $45 million. Like no fucking way. This says he over the last year, he earned an estimated $45 million via Google AdSense and brand partnerships. And he also runs a creator agency and a beauty brand.

So an interesting thing about these lists that I feel like people don't know, it's very similar to like Forbes 30 under 30. Like they don't just choose you, right? You apply and you have to submit your tax returns. You can't say, hi, I'm Dhar Mann and I made $50 million. Like you have to substantiate it with paperwork. So sometimes they'll include people who didn't apply, who are like private about their money and they don't want it. Because I think a lot of, my first thought was like, I felt like a lot of people were missing from this list. And then you have to think, some people don't want other people knowing how much money they made. Yeah.

Yes, but then I also think like someone like Mr. Beast or like the Paul brothers, they have to be on this list whether or not they apply and share their tax returns. Forbes can take a stab at estimating how much they made. But if they only went by like who applied, then they're not going to capture like the biggest fish. Right. Like I don't think Mr. Beast applied, but it's like obvious. I don't think Mr. Beast applied. I think he's above applying. But I just find it interesting like for the people that... I think we'll get down to the application section soon.

Yes. I think right now we're in the above applying section. I agree. Number three, Matt Reif earning $50 million with a entrepreneurship score of three. So even though he earned more than Dhar Mann, apparently he's less entrepreneurial. Thus, he's number three. So you'll see a lot of that. I'm not going to explain it every time. Yeah, I was shocked to see Matt Reif there. I feel like Matt Reif got a really big Live Nation deal recently.

over the course of like one or two years, 'cause he was on this list, or one of these lists last year and this year, and it's like, they keep putting him on for the same list, for the same deal, you know? And that might be why his entrepreneurial ship score is lower. Although being on the road, like is hella entrepreneurial. - Yes, and you forget, like he really got his start on social media. So I think this is a good,

Like, yeah, I would have forgotten. I would have just put him on a list of comedians. But yeah, he is a creator. And that is, that's what he does. Number four, always a fan favorite, Charli D'Amelio. This year, apparently she earned $23 million. She has an entrepreneurship score of four.

Yeah, she does a lot. She does a lot. She really does. It's not just brand deals. She starts her own company. She's on Broadway. That's a good score. Yeah. Number five, the Stokes twins, $20 million. So 10 each. I had never heard of the, not you being shady. I was unfamiliar with these people. That was me like, you know, that's, there's two of them. Reminding you. There's two of them. One in one. I don't know. I hadn't heard of them.

I don't know them, but they're identical twin brothers who lead one of YouTube's fastest growing channels. Their videos of pranks, challenges, and vlogs. Entrepreneurship score of three. I'm gonna call that an ES. It's a mouthful. An ES score of three. They're identical twin brothers who lead one of YouTube's fastest growing channels. Their videos of pranks, challenges, and vlogs regularly attract more than 40 million views. It's giving classic YouTubers.

Yeah, but I had never heard of them. So that's not that classic. Maybe they're just very Gen Z. Maybe. Mazel Tov. Are they related to Chase Stokes? They don't not look like him. I was thinking the same thing. Claudia, they don't not look like him. They look like the Sprouse twins. I thought the same thing. They look like the brown haired Sprouse twins. Yeah. Okay. Maybe they get by on looking like people. Mm-hmm.

Dixie D'Amelio, $14 million earnings. I don't know on the list of, like I love Dixie, so no shade, no hate. But six, number six on top creators, like okay, go Dix. - I agree. And I really like Dixie D'Amelio, but when you think about like all the people out there who are doing like creative things, making a lot of money, like making lots of news, lots of views, really Dixie D'Amelio does not come to mind. And she barely posts anymore. - She's higher than Jake Paul. - Right, like she probably makes a lot of money.

But, and her entrepreneurship score being four, I feel like the D'Amelio family has like a really good team around them and they start all these companies and they do all these things, but the girls aren't necessarily like driving that. This is giving, I applied. And that, what you just said, is a high entrepreneurship score though. If you can get to a place where it's not your person driving everything, that's actually a good thing to do. But yeah, six seems high, but like Dick's at six. Maybe they liked how it rhymed. It's high. Yeah.

It is, but Mazel Tov to Dixie. She deserves the world. Number seven, Mark Rober. He earned $25 million with an ES of three. He's a former NASA engineer turned super creator who does science focused content and dramatically teaches it.

I like that. I like people on here like doing different weird things. And you know, whenever you're like looking for like, whether you're like doing homework or you're trying to like teach yourself how to knit, you Google like a YouTube, like how do I do this? And there are people who are taking a lot of time out of their days to like make these instructional educational videos. And you love to see them making $25 million a year. You really do. I think I just realized something about the list, which I'll get to later.

I like it. I like science. Men in STEM. Men in STEM. So congratulations to Mark. Next, number eight, Alex Cooper earning $22 million ES of four. First podcaster. First podcaster. On the list. Yeah, but I'm sure some of these other people, and especially on the list, like they might eventually have podcasts too, but like. Not a podcaster by trade. Right. Podcaster first. Right. So you love to see that.

Rhett and Link who are number nine I don't know them but people it's like the try guys Jackie like people love them Claudia I think I figured out how to how to find out who applied oh how it look at the pictures if they're in a Polaroid that was like taken by Forbes then they like sat for this start scrolling oh you're 100% right and if there it's just a stock photo then okay so so far Darman took a photo for Forbes and

Matt Rife didn't. Dixie didn't. Maybe not. There's very few Polaroids, actually. We'll see. If we get lower and everybody has a Polaroid, then yeah. There's definitely more Polaroids towards the bottom. Okay. So like, yeah, Cabby Lame, classic TikToker. His entrepreneurship score is a three. I feel like he just like works with big companies. Okay. Let's get back to the list. We'll test this theory later. Who are Rhett and Link? I have no idea. Oh, okay. Cool. Cool.

I just know people like them. Good Mythical Morning. Yeah, that's their thing. It's like, you know, spooky. It's giving good morning millennials. Agreed. Next, Kabi Lame. Cool. The Charlie Chapman of digital media. Cool. Next, Drewski. I love him. And honestly, like, I like to see him getting, you know, like legitimate credit as being a real creator. Because like, Jackie, he's the guy from Goat Vaccination Spot with Jack Harlow. Yeah.

And he said, it says vacation, dumbass. Like he has a lot of really viral moments. He's very funny. That is really funny. Okay. Yeah. Number 12, Logan Paul, $9 million. And then 13 is Jake Paul, $13 million. Interesting that Jake Paul makes more money than Logan. And interesting that Logan is higher up on the list, even though he makes less money. I just feel like this is one where they sort of guessed it. And I think that they low balled because crime-

The fighting. Doesn't he make that much in a fight? By the way, Prime. Prime is literally... Prime outsold Gatorade last year. Right. So $9 million, sure. They don't have a Polaroid. I don't think they applied. I'm in agreement. Lots of siblings on this list. You love to see that. You do. Yeah.

Number 14, Emma Chamberlain, classic. $9 million, ES score of four. And by the way, Emma Chamberlain is notoriously private about money. I've heard her talk about it on a podcast before. So she definitely did not apply for this list and she doesn't have a Polaroid either. So, so far, it tracks. The theory's good. 15. Because so far, the only people up there is Dhar Mann. He would. Yeah. If I was Dhar Mann, I would want people to know

And Alex Cooper has a Polaroid, but I feel like she does a lot of press. And a lot of Forbes. And all her money is always out there with these deals. So like, why wouldn't she do something like this? 15, Andre typical gamer, Rubello. Gamer, I'm unfamiliar. We'll just leave it at that. He made $80 million. So gaming pays.

Mark Markiplier Fishbach. It's funny how like everyone has their little nickname. Girl with no job. Claudia, girl with no job, Asheray. You're telling me Mark Fishbach isn't Haley Joel Osment. They look like twins. This is the first time I'm seeing this person. Yeah, maybe they're related. You said a lot of siblings. See, look, he's number 16. He made $32 million. He has 70 million followers. How is he below Dixie D'Amelio? Like that's where this list loses me. Yeah, but he has an ES score of two. So they don't really like what he's doing. Yeah, yeah.

17, Marcus Brownlee, $10 million, ES score of four, has a Polaroid. Has a Polaroid. I feel like that tracks because I don't really know him.

Yeah. He does tech reviews. Oh, he does like tech, like gadgets. That's cool. That's big business. Yep. 18, Brent Riviera, $11 million, ES score of three, has a Polaroid. Definitely submitted himself. He does like really corny, like family channel type of TikToks. And I want to say, I'm noticing a trend. I feel like a lot of the people who I believe to have submitted themselves via the Polaroid theory. The Polaroid. It's very like Gen Z and it's very TikTok. Yeah.

Yeah, and people who like, there's kind of a, not a lot, but there are a lot of them. And like, if you want to be noticed, you might have to,

Put yourself in front of them. That's fair. 19, Adam W., $15 million, ES score of two, no Polaroid. He's a classic. Okay. No Polaroid. I believe that. Yeah. Number 20, Danny Austin, $13 million, ES score of three, no Polaroid. So I think some people would say, well, the Polaroid theory is defunct because Danny Austin, like, but-

No, then you don't know Dani Austin. No, if you really follow, like, social media and you've followed what Dani Austin has done in the last couple of years, it's not shocking that she's on this list and I don't think she submitted herself. Like, people don't realize, like, she literally makes so much money. Yeah. Yeah. So, um...

mostly from Divi. Well, one being a successful influencer. She has 3 million followers, but Divi is her hair care brand, which slaps. Yeah. And it's like sold everywhere now. So that makes sense. Number 21 is like the classic. People are always talking about this kid, Ryan. Have you heard about him? No.

So he like unboxes and reviews toys. It's all there. It's like the cutest, sweetest channel. Like if you're looking for, you know, any sort of details on a toy for your child, he does toy reviews. And for a while, like a couple of years ago, he was the number one earner on YouTube. Like he rushes and he's 11. Wow, well, $35 million earnings, but he has an ES score of one, probably just because he makes his money from ads. He has to go to school. Yeah, yeah. He does his videos and he doesn't have time to write a book.

Yeah. And then next Miss Rachel earnings, $11 million ES score of three. What is her entrepreneurial? I feel like that's the opposite of like what she does. She always just does her videos. It's giving Ryan. If I was Miss Rachel, I would be number one and I would have made a hundred million dollars. Like Miss Rachel is not a capitalist and that's fine. Like not everyone has to be like hustle, hustle, but let me know if I had my pulse, if I had my finger on the pulse of a young generation in the way that she does, um,

Miss Mitchell branded toys that she only plays with. I would have a billion dollar brand. Or even like partner with a Fisher Price. Come out with a kind of like, she's just really not. But she has said that. Like she doesn't give a rip. She has said that. Like she's not doing this for like, yeah, she makes a lot of money and that's more than enough for her. Like she doesn't need. But why does she have an ES score of three? I don't know. The ES score is a little confusing. She also doesn't have a Polaroid. She did not apply.

She did not apply. She probably like burns Forbes magazines in her backyard. 23, Sean Jack Spicey McLaughlin. Okay, let's just move on. I don't know who that is. Great. And he doesn't have a Polaroid. Number 24, Kai Sinat. I thought this was low. Low earning?

low on the list when he is the most famous twitch streamer like i actually just saw he released like a promo because he's doing 30 days of non-stop streaming in november and it was they had kim kardashian in the video like he is huge he's a he started uh prime with logan paul oh wow maybe i was surprised to see him this low maybe they just i don't think that they do they said he made eight million dollars he has an es score of two

Right. And that's just not true. Even though he started Prime. Yeah, right. I don't like it. Next, Nick. Nick Merckx-Kolchev. $13 million. Another... Twitch. Twitch guy. ES score of three. Yeah. Okay. Next, Nick DiGiovanni. I know you don't know him. I do. He's probably one of the biggest...

slash chef people on TikTok, like in really high quality videos. So he's like the first chef because there's a lot of creators who do food. Interesting that he's the first one on the list with earnings of $5 million, ES score of four. And interesting, it says he went to Harvard. I didn't know that. No wonder the ES score is high. 27, Josh Richards, $6 million, ES score of three. I would have said that like Josh Richards submitted himself because honestly, like,

I don't think so. I think, one, he doesn't have a Polaroid, and two, I think he makes more than what they estimated. I feel like he's, I feel the way about him as I do about, like, Dixie. Like, perhaps at one point in time. Think of BFFs.

Yeah, I know he's on a popular podcast. That's like, that's actually it. Like, I don't know why he has 35 million followers. Yeah. But then by the way, there are a lot of people on TikTok. Not that it's like anything to snap at, but like there are a lot of people with like tens, twenties, thirties million followers. Like, I don't know. I feel like Josh Richards is like random on this list. He advises lifestyle brands, including vegan clothing company Unhide. Are those the blankets?

I don't know. You know Unhide Blankets? Mm-mm. Oh, they're Pargealicious. I only know Minky Katar. Oh, that's awesome. They're both pretty Parge. Mm-hmm. Next, Felix QXE Lengiel. Twitch streamer who made $36 million. Happy for him. Number 29, Zach King. I thought he would be way higher. I'm not sure if you know him, but, like, when it comes to, like, putting out premium content and working with the world's most fancy brands, like...

He is. And he gets like he does a video 100 million views. Oh, OK. It's a kind of magical like he does like kind of magical realism, if you will. 100 million views on TikTok or on YouTube? Oh, everywhere. Everywhere. So his earnings seem low, but he doesn't have a point, right? They probably couldn't guess. I think they got it wrong. Number 30, Alex Earl, earnings 8 million. Yes, score of two.

That feels right, both of those. I feel like $8 million is what she makes. I thought this list was interesting because I think last year when the list came out, so many people were on it. And this is how I was going to say about Mikaela Nogueira.

she was on it said she made like one or two million dollars and it's because she had just blown up and the earnings for the year prior like didn't match up to the earnings so these i feel like for all like the people that really blew up during like the 2022 2023 era like michaela j makeup alex earl i feel like these are the first time we're gonna see like accurate numbers in terms of how much money they make and that's why i found the list so interesting yeah number 31 livy dunn four million dollars es score of three i feel

I feel like there are a lot of random creators who make about $4 million a year. And so like, why now? Why this Libby Dunn? Because she was in the background of our vlog at Luke Holmes. Probably. And she made $4 million from that, huh?

Probably. But she's cute. Like, she doesn't offend me. But I just feel like now we're getting into, like, could have been anyone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And now it's like, who just made their way across someone's desk? Addison being number 32 and allegedly only making $3.4 million does not sound right to me. Me neither. Although, like, she did take off quite a bit of time. And maybe those, maybe, like, her tax return that she submitted had...

that time period. I don't know. I don't know. But doing like movies and music and still brand deals, 3.4 million doesn't feel right. It doesn't. Number 33, Michaela Naguero, Claudia's favorite earning 7 million ES score of two.

Yeah, I thought this was interesting. One, her ES score is low, but she really does makeup. And she makes her makeup videos, and she does makeup brands and makeup collabs. She doesn't stray. And I actually think that's why she's so successful. She doesn't try and do a million things. Her talent is makeup. Her knowledge is makeup. And she never leaves the space. And honestly, what is she going to do, a podcast? It's good. No, but if she started a makeup line, then it would go up. I guess. But I think that's how a lot of people actually end up flopping. I agree. It's good. Just interesting that I would argue she's the most...

one of the most like mainstream successful TikTokers in terms of brand deals and you know brand trips and interesting that she made seven million dollars I just find that interesting that feels a little low don't you find yeah yeah like not like yeah but she doesn't have a Polaroid however she did take a picture on like a background that does look Forbesy like a headshotty vibe yeah just something to consider

There actually are quite a few people with, maybe it's not the, okay, maybe it's not the Polaroid. Okay. Maybe it's like, actually, I don't know. Wait, by the way,

Also when they give an image credit like Getty Images they definitely took it from like Google. Oh you're right. But when there's no image credit they took the picture. If there's no image credit it's that person submitted. Or it's from like an old Forbes thing that they participated in. So like Alex Earle's picture is Forbes. No credit. Libby Dunn's is Forbes. Addison Rae's is not. Michaela's is. Jake Shane's is not. Yeah. Yeah.

Jake Shane's is not. Oh, so Jake Shane is number 34, $6 million. He has a score of two. At number 35, Alexa Rivera. Jackie, she's Brent. Remember I was saying like up a couple of. Yeah, siblings. That's her sister. Oh, cool. And we both pronounced their last name wrong because it's Rivera. We threw an I in there. My bad, my bad. Cute. At number 36, Bailey Sarian.

Yeah, she does like her makeup while talking about death and people love it. I had heard of her before. Oh, cool. Yeah. Number 37.

Fla Jay Johnson. She's a basketball player. Oh, kind of like Livvy Dunn. Two LSU students. That's interesting. $7 million. Number 38, iJustine. Let's talk about iJustine, who's been doing this since 2007 and is still on the list. Credit to her. I want to say credit to iJustine as well, like to make it this long in this industry. And actually follow her on TikTok. I get like cool like iPhone hacks from her. Good on you. Good on you. Number 39, Alan Chicken Chow.

He has one. YouTube Shorts. One billion viewers a month. Shorts, not the shorts. Wow, that's interesting. Number 40, Nara Smith, $6 million. I do think that Nara Smith is, in terms of the numbers they were running, I think that she made most of her money this year. And I think that the tax returns are from the year prior. But she didn't blow up until this year with Joe Jonas dating...

Maybe, yeah, that was this year. So this is not a tax return. This is like a guesstimate, I think. Because this feels low. Although what's interesting about Norah Smith is that like the way she does cooking, right? And like homesteading. And the route she chose to take is in fashion. And that's not the highest paying industry. Like if you want to make the most money as an influencer, you'll work with Walmart as opposed to Ralph Lauren. But she does Ralph Lauren and Hourglass Cosmetics. Like not the most, I think brands that typically pay less, but they're more fabulous. Yeah.

Yeah. Marc Jacobs, that one went viral, the tote bag. I think she'll be higher on the list next year. Give me two. I think she's doing great things. The next two are TikTokers, who I know you don't know, but they have like good platforms. I think that they could have been like...

No no I actually I think they're placed right And they're number like I just find it interesting because I feel like they're at the same level But it says Monet McMichael makes 8 million dollars And Drew makes 2 million Drew has more followers and a higher entrepreneurship score Well Monet is very much like Michaela Jay Like she sits she does makeup she does a brand deal She goes on brand trips she's not doing anything besides what she knows Which is makeup Okay

And Drew, I don't really know what her beat is, but she does a podcast. I see her like around doing like red carpet stuff. Like she hustles more, but she makes less money. Yeah. So she's someone who has a Polaroid and $2 million. So like I see. Applied. Applied. Yeah. Yeah. No shame in it. None. 43, Jordan The Stallion, $4 million, ES score of two, Polaroid.

Haley Bailey is a TikToker. She's number 44. She's actually a huge TikToker. Like she should be on this list. Great. And she is. Yeah, that's good. 45. Ian Boggs, $1.6 million. He has score of three and a Polaroid. Yeah. I think there are probably dozens of influencers who make this amount who could have been on this list. And it's just him for editorial reasons. No, it's him because he has 34 million followers. And this is what is so interesting about the internet and just like

You can have 34 million followers and make $1 million a year. And you can have 1 million followers and make $34 million a year. Like just because you have 34 million followers, like he has more followers than most people on this list. And he's fifth to last. Got it. That's what's interesting.

Also, I just scrolled down to methodology. I feel like we do this every time, but to make the list, they estimated each creator's gross earnings between June, 2023 and June, 2024. Okay. We count earnings, not equity held in public and private companies. Our partners at influential provided follower counts across. Oh, I guess that's like prime. Okay. That's what it counts. I don't know for the entrepreneur rank. They scored candidates on a one to four scale, ranging from people who make most of their money from traditional advertising to folks who building their own companies, brands and services.

Yeah, and I just want to say we don't have to go through the last five. They're all like interchangeable TikTokers who I like see on my For You page that are not necessarily. And there's a lot of Polaroids and not credited images. Right, so. So there you go. What are your thoughts?

feel like I'm such a nosy person and lists like this like make me happy because I'm finding things out like I want to know like and in this industry like you know I know what I make and I know how many followers I have and like I want to know what other people do like how am I doing compared to other people and and I think a lot of people are obsessed with knowing how much money influencers make like they want the dollars and cents and so lists like this like really feed that curiosity myself included yeah do you feel fed

I do. Does that feel right? According to the credits? I don't know. I don't know like who specifically, but I do feel like people are missing from this list. Yeah. And it's really interesting to note there. I don't know. Maybe podcasters aren't considered creators. Like, would you consider like Tim Dillon a creator? You know?

Yeah, that's where it starts to get a little confusing because he's a comedian. Because I feel like there actually are a lot of podcasters missing from this list. And like where are all the fashion girlies, the revolve girls? That's like, that's no longer the way. It's minimum $2 million. Yeah, but I think when you talk

are making this list like they said there's many different factors and methods and one of them is like relevance right so yeah you maybe still are earning a living back in like the instagram blogger revolve days but that's really not what people think of anymore when they think of creators they think of tiktokers and streamers and twitchers you know yeah but there should be like a little bit of everything actually i don't agree like i i think that what we define as a creator like constantly changes and i actually wouldn't really consider like those bloggery revolve girlies as like creators i think of them really as influencers

And I think the two are different. And I just find it interesting that there's, and I think like they included Alex Cooper, not really as a podcaster. She is also like a creator. Like she has tons of followers. Like,

I don't know. I feel like there are podcasters missing, but, and I just think about it because I'm a podcaster and I know like if you have a podcast of a certain size, like you are making significant revenue. So, and more so than most of the people on this list. Yeah. I think it's more probably comes down to like a lack of application and presenting like funds. Or maybe like, are we considering podcasters who aren't also influencers? Like people who just podcast for a living. Are we considering them? Is Tom Segura a creator? Yeah.

My brain is broken by all these different terms. I know. Yeah. Like, is Joe Rogan a creator? Because he would be number one on the list. No. No. Okay. No. But like, Tim Dillon is more of a creator to me. But he's actually technically a comedian. So is Matt Rife. He has a Patreon. You're creating. Yeah, yeah. No. I don't know. Where do we draw the line? I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure they have this internal battle as well. Yeah. Moving on.

Our next story. Like, how did Burner should have been on that list, you know? Yeah. But maybe she didn't want. Podcaster and creator. I'm sure people don't want. Comedian. And I'm sure there are people who don't want who can't, like, avoid it. Like, Emma Chamberlain. Yeah. No matter what your preferences are, if you're at a certain level, like, they're going to include you on the list. But I think, yeah. I think also, like...

The whole thing with being a creator and a podcaster, I mean, excuse me, an Instagrammer, influencer, whatever you want to call it, is like your whole shtick is relatability. And you're able to make millions off of that. But if people were to see it in black and white, like they would, you would lose that sense of relatability. So I think a lot of people are wary of lists like this. Our next story, Love is Dead. Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz have split after three years together and they've called off their engagement. Love is dead. What? What?

I was really shocked by this. - Me too. I told you like yesterday, there's been a lot of shocking news recently. - Shocking. - And like to me, this is one of those things. Like what? - I don't know. And when you are both so good looking and famous and your best friends with Taylor Swift, like what is there to fight about?

And like, of course they're an unlikely couple, right? Because he- Yeah, but I've moved past that because it's been three years. Right. We've moved past the unlikeliness, similar to Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson and Kristen and Mark. However, those were seven months. Yeah.

This was three years they were engaged. No, and she just did that movie and he was in it and she produced it and like everyone was like hyping it up. What the hell happened? Like what could come between them now? They knew each other. They knew who the other was. They're adults, you know, so it's not like they've changed that much in the last three years. I'm upset. I'm in shock. They were engaged. They called off the wedding. What the hell? I would just get married so Taylor Swift would come to my wedding and then get divorced. A...

I'm so heartbroken. Confused. And confused, yeah. Like actually confused. Maybe we'll find out more in time. Maybe. Maybe they just got tired of each other. I mean, that's a marriage though, you know? Yeah, but it's like they're not married. So maybe now's the time to call it. Something must have happened because as of recently, like they were both promoting that movie together. They were working together. They were living together. They were loving together. Like what happened? You think something happened? I need to know. It kind of only makes sense if that...

I don't know. He seems like a very, you know, I know he's like this big heartthrob. He seems like a very one woman type of man. Like he's into relationships. He was with his wife and then Jessie J. Like he doesn't date a lot. Like I don't know. And they both seem like very stable and sound of mind individuals. Not like one of them went off the deep end and was like partying and cheating. I don't know. I don't know either.

I do want to know. I was thoroughly surprised. As was I. And not happy. No. And I do think for a lot of people, they had a lot riding on this relationship. In terms of they really ship them. So I'm thinking of you guys today. Yeah, me as well. And we'll leave it at that until we know more. Yeah, and I don't think we are going to know more, which is annoying. Are you ready for our next story? I think I am. It's a little music news.

- You've got the music in you? - I always have the music in me, as does now Travis Kelsey, because he and Jason are giving a sneak peek of their song together on the new Christmas album. So every year- - Oh yeah, Jason does this. - Jason does a Christmas album. I think last year- - With like the Eagles. - Yeah, with the Eagles, but it's like Jason's thing, I think, or at least that's how I see it. And last year people thought maybe like Taylor would go on or Travis, but this year,

Travis is going on. They posted a sneak peek to social media featuring Travis showing off his singing skills in his new song, It's Christmas Time in Cleveland Heights. So they said, this is a song that came out of this great brain and I feel like it tickles the nerve that we've not done yet. I also think when Travis hears it, he's going to be very excited about it, Jason said of the song.

So this is like the sweetest thing that Jason Kelsey does, right? Like he does it every year. He raises a ton of money for his community. All the Eagles get involved and it's like this fun thing that the fans love. And yeah, I mean, I'm happy Travis is a part of it, but like Taylor should really get in there. Like it's so unserious. It's time. Maybe when they're married. It's time.

It's time. That would be amazing. You know, she's very like, oh, you know, a lot of people are freaking out because, I'm sure you didn't see this because it's really for the Chronically Online, but Olivia Rodrigo's music video,

Netflix thing came out and people noticed in the credits because you in a concert DVD you have to give all the songwriting credits right so in Deja Vu there's like you know Jack Antonoff Taylor Swift but then there's like this line it's a kind of like a legal disclaimer about Deja Vu like this song embodies portions of Cruel Summer by Taylor Swift and a lot of people are just like obviously clinging on to that because we never really got closure on what happened with those two so Deja Vu was the song that

There was a few. Because what's the one that sounded like New Year's Day? That's what I remember. But she did sample New Year's Day, right? She didn't just like steal it. She took the New Year's Day melody and like played it backwards as like an homage. Jack Antonoff and Taylor Swift have writing credits on Deja Vu on the concert DVD because it sounds like Deja Vu or because she was in the studio with Jack Antonoff? No, because they say it embodies portions of Cruel Summer, which is so funny because actually, yeah, you listen to One Step Forward, Two Step Back. It sounds like New Year's Day. Like you hear it.

You listen to Deja Vu, I don't even hear Cruel Summer. But apparently, like in a legal sense, something must be, you can't just like, there must be legal validity to it. Damn. No, and Jackie, when the credits are rolling, like all the songs of like a couple songwriters, and then under Deja Vu, there's like three paragraphs. Okay, so there it is in black and white. There it is, yeah. And you think that's what came through between them as friends, even though like Olivia complied? 1,000%.

You don't think it like it was Congress with like her being a big fan of hers and inspired by her and then being like giving her the credit? No, of course. But the timeline. So who's mad at who in that? I think Olivia's mad at Taylor. For coming after her? And like for kind of maybe like stealing her moment. I don't know. Yeah. Like and Taylor's like, listen, you could do it, but you got to give, you know, Taylor is a litigious queen and artists rights. And it's like, listen, you're going to take my hook, like make millions off of it. That doesn't really work.

Yikes. I guess a friendship can't come back from that. Oh, no, no, no. But I actually saw like a super cut of all the women's Taylor and Olivia like were besties. And I forgot that there was like that one year period where they were obsessed with each other. Like she gave her the red ring. She released a fearless Taylor's version and had her and Conan Gray like make all these little music video things for it. Like there was a lot. And then up, I mean, years before that, Olivia Rodrigo just posting on social media all about Taylor Swift, her singing covers, like everything.

there's deep lore there yeah yikes yeah yeah I feel weird yeah so I was about to say like Taylor is like a very business oriented I don't think her just like hopping on this like a random charity album like I think her people maybe maybe if they reached out like

Her people might have stalled it. Like, oh, well, we need to redline this contract. Yes, but I feel like for charity, like, she really would be down. She's very charitable, yeah. And she could do, like, a cover of Christmas Tree Farm and maybe, like, give Travis a verse. Maybe he could write a little, like, rap or something. When... And we are going to start talking about it soon because the season is upon us. But, like, when we talk about...

like modern original Christmas music. Like we really don't talk about Christmas tree farm enough as really being top tier. It's so true. Like obviously underneath the tree by Kelly's amazing. All I want for Christmas, like those have become classics. And I think that Christmas tree farm is like grossly underrated. And she released it. Like there wasn't like a big hoopla around it. She had recorded it really fast and just like gave it to us one day. Like,

I don't know if there was a music video. Like she didn't do a lot of promo for it and maybe that's why, but it's so good. - Yeah. So I think like it needs its own moment. And I think on the Jason Kelsey Philly special Christmas album would be a really great time for that. - And then what's that other one? Ariana Grande has one that really- - ♪ Santa tell me if you're really in it ♪ - No, but that's a cover, right? No? - Hmm. Let me look. ♪ Santa tell me ♪ ♪ Oh, oh, oh ♪

Oh no, that's Kelly Clarkson. Eat a thing. Santa, tell me, first one that comes up is Ari. Okay, that's a good one too. Yeah. I'll send a letter to you. That song is so good.

Yeah, the album's really good. And we have Sabrina's Christmas Spectacular coming out soon. We do. And Kelly just dropped like a sequel album to her holiday album. I saw that. It comes out in three days. I saw she posted it out today. It's called When Christmas Comes Around Again. Releases in one day. Listen, when you're that talented, like, why not? Just keep going. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Well, in two days, we'll be able to really appreciate these things. But like right now we're focused on Halloween. But like, yeah, it's November 1st. I'll see. We'll see you guys then. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Kind of got an assortment of last stories. I thought I would wait till the last moment to choose. But this next story I'm really obsessed with. This was always going to be a story. Okay. Two people who in the same sentence just make a lot of sense. Okay. Kristen Cavallari admits that she rejected Chef Bobby Flay when he slid into her DMs.

Okay. So did you see this? Did you see this week first that Kristen Cavallari and Bobby Flay were making content together? They did the Cucumber Mandalorian. To promote their podcast episode. Right. And when I saw them cooking together, I said to myself. Ship. Self. I'm like what I'm seeing here. Yeah. Yeah.

And now she's talking about when he slid into her DMs and asked her out for dinner, but it was actually a big misunderstanding. So she recalled the foot and mouth moment as the chef made an appearance on Tuesday's episode of Let's Be Honest. He said, I DMed you and I said to you, I'm going to be in Nashville for one night. Can I take you to dinner? And you literally said something to me like, I'm already dating somebody.

She had a slightly different version of events. She said, or I was like, I'm over dating right now. I was burnt out on dating or something. However, Bobby stuck to his story. No, you said I've started already seeing somebody and I just said, I just want to go to dinner with you. He replied laughing. Do you think it was Mark Estes?

- Yes. - Like imagine turning down Bobby Flay for a 25 year old, like that's insane. - No, but she was so happy. Like nothing could have come in her way. And like maybe she got a bad taste in her mouth from beat Bobby Flay. But now that the stars have aligned for these two, let me tell you this is the only thing that could redeem Bobby Flay in my mind.

Okay, so Bobby Flay obviously is really tarnished in our minds. One, because, like, Bobby Flay is actually, like, a really fucked up concept for a show. But also, and I just recently rewatched it, he plays himself in Entourage, and he starts dating Ari's wife. And, like, you're supposed to date him, and he's just this, like, kind of prick. And I see him as that. Like, it was actually a really effective role. He acted really well. So I don't, like, see Bobby Flay and think, you know, love.

I know, but he's someone like we spoke about this week where in a relationship, like everything that I thought could be changed. They, so she was saying she shouldn't have assumed like he meant romantically, but I'm sorry. Like if you want to go to a business. Of course you should assume that. You send an email. If you like want to see what's up with someone, you send a DM.

I don't think it's presumptuous at all. They said that they wound up going to dinner and that they had a really good time. Do you think they're dating? I don't think they're dating yet, but I think like right now, like they might be texting each other like flirty emojis right today. I actually really like that, even though I don't particularly love him. Was he married to Miss Sandra Lee? Was he? I believe he was, no? No.

Don't quote me on that. Hold on. He dated a girlfriend for three years, Christina Perez, not Sandra Lee. No, I'm sorry. They haven't. I totally made that up. Wow. It's crazy. You actually can make things up. Yeah, but it sounds good. Sounds nice. Claudia, I think I need to listen to their podcast episode, like just to see if the vibes are right. You should watch it. It's a video too. And you could like see the chemistry. I'm genuinely obsessed. I love when people meet on podcasts.

It's a great way to meet people. It really is. If you do an interview show. And also like if you have a crush on someone, you could be like, come on my podcast. And then from there you can each see. Yeah. This was an unlikely pairing. Like when I saw that video of them, one of the podcast clips, I was like, how do these two people even know each other? I know. Like how did Bobby Flay find out who Kristen Cavallari is? Maybe his kids watch the OC. She's big in the food space.

Kristen Cavallari. She has cookbooks. She is best selling cookbooks. Yes. She's a bad. What I was going to say, the only issue between them, it's like who would be cooking dinner because they both cook and she's very Jackie. If you think Bobby Flay is going to let anybody cook for him, that's not Bobby Flay. Like you're crazy. I think he would let his queen Kristen cook for him. I actually don't think she makes a lot of cooking content. She has many successful cookbooks. She is big in the food space and she's clean. She's not on talks. I should get her cookbooks.

- You should. - Yeah, the way she measures when she does her cooking videos though, like gives me so much anxiety. She'll be like half a teaspoon and like measure it in the hole of her palm. - Okay, literally baked by Melissa. Like girl, use a measuring cup. Like how are we supposed to follow? - Like how do you know what size divot to make in your palm? - No.

- It's expert level cooking. - We need to normalize measuring ingredients. Like it's kind of a lost art. - Yeah, we do. - When it comes to like video tutorials and it's annoying. - However, like I understand it's unnecessary dishes if you are like very much an expert cooker, but still calm down. - Calm down. - Anyways, ship wholeheartedly wishing them the best.

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Okay, actually, I saw this clip and I think this headline is misleading because I didn't feel like she was defending it. I think she just kind of like, I had watched that video and I said, oh, this is a person who's given up. Like on this particular battle. She conceded. So she defended like why she did it. Explained probably is a better word. But then sort of sat this one out because she explained. You could tell she like when the person asked the question, like she actually felt stupid.

She explained why she felt so passionately about a fan-edited Wicked poster after receiving backlash over her response. So when asked about the viral moment at the CFDA Fashion Awards on Monday, she told Entertainment Tonight that her reply wasn't necessarily a clapback, but instead a representation of how much she cares about the upcoming film. She said, quote, I think I'm really protective of the role. I'm passionate about it, and I know that the fans are passionate about it. And I think for me, it was just a human moment of wanting to protect little Elphaba.

However, she then admitted she should have run her remarks by a few friends before posting. She said, "I probably should have called my friends, but it's fine," she said with a laugh. - Okay, I just wanna say, anybody who is grown enough to admit when they've been a little silly is okay in my book. I think that, while I didn't agree with her outburst,

How she recovered from it. And she was put on the spot. She did not know she was going to be asked that question. You could tell she was like a little surprised. I thought she recovered really beautifully. And I thought it showed a sense of like self-awareness that I really respected, honestly. To be honest, when she posted what she posted, like it really didn't like raise that many flags for me because I wasn't following it closely. But now like that we can look back on it now that we have hindsight, rereading what her story,

statement was is so crazy. Jackie it was the craziest like it was seriously the most unnecessary crazy statement of all time. She said this is the wildest most offensive thing I have ever seen. She said none of this is funny none of it is cute it degrades me it degrades us. And meanwhile they were really harmless edits that she was referring to obviously people can make an edit that actually is offensive right? Yeah. No they were all funny like in good spirit and really like not a big deal at all. Yeah. Yeah.

Deeply hurtful. Yeah, it got a little wild there. She went a little nuts and I think that she can acknowledge that is huge. I also think that her handling of this question was pretty perfect. Like we're laughing it off. We're recognizing that we should have phoned a friend. And kudos to the interviewer who asked the question because I see Cynthia Erivo and like I want to ask her about this. Yeah, but what's also crazy, I feel like whenever you post something like this to a story, like anyone, when they're ever posting like something,

such as this, like you do always ask, you do screenshot and send it to the chat. Like, should I post this?

Of course. Like, whenever, like, you're someone with a platform and you're going to post something, like, kind of serious, like, you always run it by, like, your peeps. Yeah. I just see on my computer I have a people modification. It looks to have Jenna Dewan and Zoe Kravitz in it. So let me just see if there's anything breaking. You want me to check my phone? You don't have to check your computer. I get People Magazine. Jenna Dewan's fiance, Stephen Kazee, posts ha-ha on Instagram as Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz breakup news. Yeah, I see that. But, like...

Ha ha, what do you mean? Okay, Steve Kazee. We're on our way. Oh, by the way, I see. Look, Jackie, it's an Instagram story. Black background, white text. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Probably a hundred times. Excuse me? Yeah, no, this is weird. Don't be fucking rude. This is worthy of a People Magazine breaking news notification. No, that's real. The house plant in my kitchen watching me put water in the coffee maker. Okay, cool. Um, yeah.

I'm sorry. That's crazy. And Steve Kazee, is he the one on the Twilight album? Yeah, he is. Excuse me? He is on the Thousand Years song from Twilight with Christina Perri. As a singer? It says Christina Perri, Steve Kazee, I think as a singer. I'm shocked. Yeah, I don't know. How did you know that? I just, that's my association with his name is the Twilight album. Let's see what he does that he's laughing so hard.

He's an actor, singer, and producer. He was in Shameless, Claudia. I've never seen him, but you know what it reminds me of? It's this TikTok sound. It's Nicki Minaj. Broke bitches should never laugh. Like, you recognize his name from one song from an album from 20 years ago? Like, seriously, what are you laughing at? Wait, he's from Shameless, Walking Dead in Nashville. He won a Tony Award. Broke bitches should never laugh. Like, seriously, you laughing at something that we find painful? Not cool. Well, that's the damn truth.

Listen we're going on an hour 15 and we haven't even done dear toasters yet. Should we postpone? I think it's giving a push till tomorrow. PTT. Yeah it's giving a push till tomorrow and honestly doing dear toasters in costume.

Oh we'll have amazing advice for you. So I think it's to the best. The creator list just kind of got away from us. We spent like 45 minutes on it. Does anybody even care? I do. I don't think the audience cares as much as we do. Yeah. It's like it's very inside baseball time. Very personal to us. Yeah it's personal to us. And I just want you guys to like just understand that that's why we took so much time doing it. Like

It meant a lot. It meant something. It means something to us. If you need to fast forward through it, like we don't, we're not offended. I won't take it personal. It's not deeply hurtful. Well, that's our show, you guys. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast the Millennium Morning Show where we deliver the Fast Five stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube, please don't forget to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast anywhere. Podcasts can be found on Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Public Video, iHeartRadio, CastBox, all the places. We have a list of podcasts. Find us at Toast the Millennium Morning Show. We will send you a weekly talented we are. Love ya. Bye.