‘Mr. and Mrs. Smith’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Amanda Dobbins
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It was like a Google dream. It was beautiful, but we have to believe there's more out there for us. That's true. It's like winning the NBA title. You just have to keep going. It's the repeat. Yeah. You got to start talking to yourself in a repeat. Yeah. Also, you can hear Amanda on The Big Picture. Chris Ryan? Yeah. What are you up to? That was a great beat. I do the Watch podcast with Andy Kimball. Oh, yeah. And I appear on The Big Picture sometimes. I'm going on Philly Special tomorrow. Okay, great. Congrats on that. My name is Bill Simmons. You can hear the Bill Simmons podcast. What?

And this is the third installment of, wait, how much money did that movie make, bud? Gotta raise the voice. It is Mr. and Mrs. Smith next. John and Jane Smith are like most couples, are hiding something the other would kill to know. She's not your wife. She's the enemy. You have an unusual problem, Jane. You obviously want me dead. And I'm less concerned for your well-being. So what do we do? Hmm.

Brad Pitt. Sweetheart. Angelina Jolie. Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Winnie PG-13. June 10th. All right, Mr. and Mrs. Smith came out in 2005. $110 million budget. Probably even a little more than that. A little. It made $487 million. I don't think there's ever been an example of how much money that movie make.

Than this. I would have guessed 200. I don't know. This was a monster movie. I want to say that this also does speak to the malleability of this theme, which is among your best themes you've ever come up with. Yeah, it's really good. It's the top 20 themes I've ever come up with. I would say that this movie made how much money? Where I'm like, I'm surprised it didn't make more. Really? Because of how popular these two people were at the time and what a sensation this was. It was a beautiful moment of synergy of the tabloids...

Movie theaters, people still going to movies, us still being a country. I mean, it was very special and special to me personally. But the buildup, I think, off screen to this movie, you can't, not comparable. There are not many other examples of people being this invested. And also the timing of the tabloid interest aligning so perfectly with the movie's release date. Perfect storm.

I think this is the most 2005 movie. It fits the most for that year and that culture where the internet's kind of blowing up and we're going into like phase 3.0 of the internet.

Us Weekly has never been more powerful and more important, as weird as that sounds. Yeah. Paparazzi are the most important and biggest and influential they've ever been. Everybody's wearing diesel jeans, midriff t-shirts everywhere. We have no social media yet. So our only connection to celebrities are through things we read and photographs we see. And then we have Jennifer Aniston coming off this 10-year Friends run. This is the last big TV show ever. And she's married to Brad Pitt.

And here's Angelina, who's beloved by every red-blooded male in America. And many red-blooded women. And she's got this rising career as an A-list actress. She's in Lara Croft. Tomb Raider, yeah. Not red hot, but hot. She's already won an Oscar. Yeah, but not... In some ways, it was like, is there another level for her to go? Yeah.

And then all of a sudden it starts happening. And the reports start coming out. It's going on on that movie set. So what's the chronology for this? I thought maybe we could start here. Well, this is, I mean, Amanda Dobbins. I mean, I don't know. This is like having Woj breaking down like the Rudy Gobert train. Please don't put too much pressure on it. I would say that this, along with the Devil Wears Prada episode and Lost in Translation are kind of really what I have been dedicated my career to. Right. So...

You know, the timeline is a real, like, according to who. The film, they're filmed, it's in 2004. Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston are still married throughout 2004. But as Bill said, there are some rumors. It's first three months of 2004 and she's finishing Friends. And Doug Liman, the director, is banking that they can finish the shoot before he has to go off to Ocean's 12, Brad Pitt. And he loses the bet.

So we already have all of the rumors from the first three months. Right. But now we have a break. And then Friends ends. And there's lots of rumors. Keep going, Amanda. And they go back and they finish the movie. Like late 2004. Late 2004. Yeah, somewhere in there. January 2005, Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston announce their separation, the end of their marriage. And Us Weekly is like...

Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Bill, I told you on the way here, I was listening to the Brangelina episode of Just Like Us, which is a podcast that Claire Malone did for The Ringer. It's amazing. And so it's a great pod. Yeah, it's a great pod. And I'm getting a lot of my details from that.

So I want to, so January, it's just all over Us Weekly. And they hadn't been married a long time. It was like, they were married like what, five years? Maybe five. Yeah, they've been together maybe six total. And had Angelina broken up with Billy Bob? Yeah, she was also splitting. She'd broken up before this, right? Okay. Yeah. And then I want to say April of 2004, Angelina, Brad. 2005. Oh, yes. Thank you. I'm sorry. April of 2005.

Brad and baby Maddox are photographed, quote unquote, paparazzi. I mean, it was paparazzi, but whether it was set up, we can discuss, on the beach in Kenya. And that is like... Just a random place. Here we go. An atomic bomb. It was either Will Rogers or Kenya. Yeah.

And they wound up in Kenya. They're like, how far away can we go to have a moment on the beach with little young Maddox? Yeah. Kenya? And then it's off. Okay. And then this movie comes out in June. I want to say tied to the release of this movie is the infamous... And they can't promote it really, right? Yeah, because...

Us Weekly in particular has been spinning the love triangle in a Team Aniston sort of way. And I only say Team Aniston because there were literally shirts sold with Team Aniston and Team Jolie on.

And Jennifer Aniston is a beloved American celebrity who also sells a lot of magazines and a lot of, you know, water and bath products now. People were invested in the Brad Pitt-Jennifer Aniston relationship. It was like, oh, these seem like two cool celebrities. I'm happy for these two crazy kids. Like the narrative was set very early on. Homewrecker Angelina. Exactly. Oh my God, Brad Pitt. How does he do this to Aniston? Right. And then Aniston was beautiful. And it was like, this was the rarely seen scene.

beautiful woman stealing another from another beautiful... Nobody had ever seen a love triangle like this. You couldn't make this up. But so right around the release, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie also do that W Magazine photo shoot. Do you remember this? That's like in Palm Springs and it's like Brad Pitt, you know, I think it was called Domestic Bliss. And they're like playing home. But like, quote unquote, like, you know, in an art driven way.

And that is what really sets people off. And that then inspires the sensitivity chip quote in the Vanity Fair profile of Jennifer Aniston. So we're really at the white hot center. Sensitivity chip, just give me the quote.

Oh, I think there's a sensitivity chip that's missing is like the most direct quote we have on the record of Jennifer Aniston talking about Brad Pitt. OK. And otherwise, she was always very nice about it and tried to deflect, at least at the time. You're you're you're OK. You want to let's get into it.

As you know, I'm always dubious when two super famous actors date one another or end up together. Sure. Especially I'm dubious of any couple where they just don't, aren't in the same place for six, eight months at a time. And then on top of it, your husband's doing a movie where he's married to Angelina Jolie in the movie and doing all this crazy stuff. And you're doing your own thing.

Things happen. We've seen it. This is the most famous one of them though. I mean, we weren't alive for Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton. Right. But that was a super famous one. There was Steve McQueen with Ali McGraw.

But she was Robert Evans. Nobody cared about Robert Evans. It's the idea of, like, leaving America's sweetheart for the only person in the world who would be, like, a bigger sensation to leave Jennifer Aniston for is basically Angelina Jolie. Yeah, if you're doing, like, if it was, like, the NBA superstar pyramid, they're both, like, on the top level of the pyramid. But the...

That proof of life had happened a couple years earlier. But that's like, it's like, that's black and white and this is Technicolor. Yeah, but when that happened, that got a lot of interest. It was like, oh my God, Meg Ryan. And she started dating Russell Crowe and what happened and became part of the movie. Right.

This, the movie, was an afterthought compared to the circus around this whole thing. And yet, it made almost $500 million. And I just thought I would mention, because you said, you know, at that time, we didn't have social media and then we had Us Magazine. And that's true to some extent. We had Us Weekly. And like Entertainment Tonight. But we also had TMZ and Perez Hilton. Like there was this burgeoning... It was just starting. Yeah, there was this burgeoning... This kind of might have started it. And there was also...

You could go on Ain't It Cool and you could go to different movie websites and read kind of daily gossip that used to be reserved for once a month in Premiere magazine. Yeah. And this movie has one of the most incredible like behind the scenes like

I can't believe they assembled two hours of footage if you read the LA Times stories from the time being and like the reports about like the casting, the rewrites, Doug Liman, this, you know, other people coming in to shoot action scenes, Brad Pitt leaving for three months. Yeah. When you know that he's gone off to do Ocean's 12, it makes this movie 10 times funnier because for half of the movie, he's just doing Rusty from Ocean's 12. He's like, I already got the character.

I'm just going to double dip. And so it's a really fascinating pop culture moment for movies too in that way. It was a fascinating water cooler story. It was just something everyone talked about and there were sides and

I think everybody was Team Aniston, but then there was a couple different sides of that where it was like, well, it's her fault for letting Brad film a movie with Angelina. So you had those people. Right. And then there was also a very sinister thing that like Us Weekly and all the tabloids did of they started injecting the Jennifer Aniston doesn't want to have kids into it. This was her fault. Yeah. And so it was her fault. And look at Angelina. And then, you know, Angelina suddenly has like six children. So it gets... There were like some...

But most people... I mean, Jennifer Aniston just had the winning hand, right? She did. Most people were pretty angry about Angelina. Yeah. And she'd been from the mid-90s on, was clear where her career was going as an A-lister. I would say she's one of the most potent people I've ever seen in a movie screen. Oh, yeah. Like Sharon Stone, Basic Instinct level, where just...

just oozing whatever she wanted to ooze from a charisma, sexuality standpoint. I don't even know if I...

particularly love Angelina Jolie's movies for the most part. No. There's not that many that I'm like... And this is probably the best use of her in a movie from this version of her. Yes. Where you're just like, oh my God. I wish she made more movies like this. I wish she had the opportunity to make more stuff like this. I want to talk about that later. Yeah, I wish... She's a classic. I wish we could reset your career. Like, I really like this movie she was in.

I don't even think it did well, but she was in this movie called Playing by Heart that was like one of those ensemble cast movies and she's great in it. And I was like, I just wish she had like five of those. Like Scarlett did a much better job of doing weird parts and different parts and big parts, small parts for that decade than I think Angelina did. So what's her like big break as a Boys Don't...

What's she in? Girl Interrupted. Girl Interrupted was a big one. Girl Interrupted is kind of like the big breakout with her. She wins an Oscar for it. Yeah, but then she goes on to kind of more fashion this action movie blockbuster career. Bone Collector was a big one. That's true. That's true. Yeah, I have it. She had Playing by Heart, Bone Collector. She did Original Sin with Antonio Banderas, which I saw in the movie theater. Not a shame to admit that. Girl Interrupted. She had two Lara Crofts.

She did Taking Lives and Beyond Borders. I don't even remember what those movies were. Do you remember those? I remember Taking Lives, but I don't remember like what it's about. And then the big swing she took was Alexander. Right. Oh, yeah. Which was a famous bomb, like an old school disaster shoot.

I don't think she was, like, red hot heading into this movie. She had the Billy Bob relationship. There was that Oscars revelation where they had sex in the limo on the way to the Oscars. There was, like, had each other's blood. Yeah. The vibe was, like, sexy but weird. I think they had sex in the car on the way to the VMAs. Maybe that's what it was. And then she kissed her brother on the red carpet at the Oscars. Yeah. So she had... I would say it's fair to say, Amanda, she had the kind of the child actor...

Way out there. Right. Beautiful, but seemed way out there and a little dangerous in a way. And so for this to be the one Brad Pitt left Aniston for, it kind of made sense as a love triangle. It certainly fit into the...

like the slotted narrative. The central casting. Exactly. And in the Just Like Us episode, Claire does like, compares it to like Betty and Veronica in it, which is, I mean, spot on. The, you know, the good girl, the classic, you know, America's sweetheart. And the woman who wore vials of blood on the red carpet. I mean, there's just no other, that speaks for itself. Well, we're also coming out of like the Melrose Place nighttime soap opera era.

Where this just would have been a nighttime soap opera part where it's like, oh, these two are happily married. Uh-oh, who's this? Oh, it's the Heather Locklear character. Oh, she's got her sights set on him. And then we get the love triangle. We're off. There's something really interesting going on in this movie with her where there's a fun tidbit about how, like,

she already had knives. Like, she knew how to use knives. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She has a collection of knives, like, all these Brazilian knives that she had. And she was, like, pushing the knives part. Like, she was like, I'm already trained. I have my own. Like, what if we did this? And she's always twirling them in scenes. And, uh...

It's almost like she had to do the absolute reverse of what most actors have to do. Most actors are like, I'm normal, but I have to learn how to shoot a gun or use knives or jump off this moving truck onto a building or something.

And she's like, I know how to do all that stuff. I just don't know how to be in a kitchen with a partner. Right. And be normal. And like, there's something kind of alien about it that works for the movie, but is also maybe why she can only do a certain kind of thing in the movies. Whereas Brad Pitt,

For as famous as he's been, for as long as he's been famous, is always really weirdly relatable in so much as he's just like, I'm a guy who's walking around the San Gennaro Festival drinking a beer. Or I like to stumble into a poker game drunk and play poker. He projects a normalcy, even though he's like Brad fucking Pitt, that Angelina, I think, sometimes struggles to find. Yeah.

I always thought the issue with her is she was so drop dead beautiful and so unusual looking that it was hard to take her seriously as like in certain roles. Cause it was just like, there's nobody who looks like her, you know? And you couldn't, you couldn't have her be like, oh, she's going to be a school teacher in this movie. It's like, that's not realistic. She can't play anyone who has any sort of like romantic personality.

Except for maybe the very strange romantic troubles delineated in this movie. Which, by the way, didn't totally make sense. These were like the two most beautiful people of 2004 together. She's not a down-on-her-luck kind of gal. No, she's not going to be in Silkwood with a bad haircut. Right. And, you know, in the 90s in particular, like the rom-com...

you know, heaven. But all of those were women who, like, they don't quite know how beautiful they are. They don't know... She knows. She knows. I mean, it's unavoidable how absolutely beautiful she is. I always think about whether or not this movie would have been a movie with Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie in the same circumstances at the same time, but was, like...

Kramer vs. Kramer or Pelican Brief if that would have been as big as Mr. and Mrs. Smith because I think the fact that Mr. and Mrs. Smith is literally about nothing and we'll get into this but like there is literally no story in this movie this is like you walk onto a car dealership and they're like hey check out this car and you get into the car and they're like

it's pretty fucking good stereo yeah like yeah there's no steering wheel yeah and you're like yeah but the stereo and you're like yeah but there's no rear view mirror right and they're like yeah but turn it up a little bit and then you were like i guess i'll buy the car it sounds really good i mean like this movie is an absolute blast to watch but i defy you to tell me the plot right well you know it's a blast to watch because i mean well i mean okay i defy you to tell me like

what the agencies are that they're working for and stuff like that. I mean, I have a robust nitpicking section, you know? Yeah. But it's okay. It is okay because these two, and I'm just like, what happens if they're in Kramer versus Kramer? Yeah.

in 2005. But isn't this the irony of the movie though? It's a total chemistry movie. Yeah. Their chemistry is unbelievable in the movie and you're also kind of watching them fall in love with each other in real life probably at the same time but it totally makes sense that they started dating after this. There's only like I think Out of Sight had this. I think Clooney and J-Lo

they had this real chemistry and you could feel it in the scenes. And like, I wouldn't have been surprised if they just started dating after that movie. Right. It happens really rarely. What's sad about this movie is then when they made that movie, what was that called? Two by sea? Beyond. Beyond the sea, whatever. Yeah. Eight years later. And they have no chemistry at all. By the sea. By the sea. Yeah. They have no chemistry at all. Oh, this is what love is like. This is it. They ran their course. Yeah. But in this movie, as they're filming it, it's like electric.

And as Chris says, there's really not a plot. I mean, there is a plot, but there's not. There's a plot. I think it's a pretty funny movie about marriage. It's a very obvious, you know, they're trying to like, this is a movie about marriage and they're making jokes about it, but I don't know. I know I'm not trying to besmirch this movie other than the fact that the people making it felt the need to write 40 endings. So they were obviously like searching for something to lend a degree of significance to the movie. And I think...

they didn't need to because they had Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt. A lot of people wrote about this movie weirdly in 2016 when these two broke up in real life. Yeah. And there was this whole wave of, let's reevaluate Mr. and Mrs. Smith. The Guardian wrote this piece. They broke up that long ago? Yeah. God. The Guardian wrote a piece about

In one paragraph, I thought it was really good. The conceit of the film is the same as the marketing of the film. What if two extraordinary people pretended to be normal, boring suburbanites who marinate in quiet desperation and bitter lack of fulfillment? And that's kind of what happened over the course of the movie with the filming. You're in your trailer all day. Every time you're doing a scene with Angelina, it's like, man...

chemistry. Jennifer Aniston's not calling you back. She's on the set of Friends. And then all of a sudden the sparks are flying. I think this happens with actors all the time. I mean, the real fundamental piece of this movie to me is I think it's just insane to be an actor. I think it's insane to be like,

Like, I'm going to pretend to be married to this person for three months and we're going to make out and we're going to have chemistry. And that's, and then I'm just going to shut it off. One place to get, or a series of like, you know, exotic locations. And I'm going to be sequestered with this group. And I look fantastic and she looks fantastic. And we're just going to shut this off. Yeah. I mean, the course of Hollywood is over and over again.

this goes sideways and the people end up falling for each other. I'm honestly surprised it doesn't happen more. It feels like it should happen every time. It's more surprising when it's Richard Gere and Debra Winger and they're like, we hate each other. Right. And I'm like, you guys seem like you're completely in love. What is that? How are you pretending to hate, like, to be in love when you dislike each other this much? Like, Heather Locklear and Jack Wagner started dating after Melrose Place and I was like, you know what? I saw that for years.

I could have predicted that. You guys had it. You had the chemistry. But yeah, I think this is the oldest story in Hollywood. Two people are on a set. They're in a movie together. Sparks are flying. And also, Amanda's going to say this anyway, so I'm stealing it. But like, it also sells the movie. Yeah. But not always because it hurt proof of life.

And it hurts six days and seven nights in a different way than the Anne Hetch thing. I love you guys so much. And I love your love for Proof of Life so much. And I love Meg Ryan and Russell Crowe. But it's a slightly different stratosphere that we're dealing with here. Doug Liman took a shot at Proof of Life. Did he? In this EW PC did where somebody said, what about speculation? This is before the movie came out. What about speculation? Publicity could hurt your movie the same way it hurt Proof of Life.

Lyman said, you can sit there and blame it on Meg Ryan and Russell Crowe, but you know, Proof of Life is just not that good of a movie. There's a fundamental flaw, which is yucky to have a love story when the Meg Ryan's character's husband is in a cage and could be killed. It's not appealing. That was a direct attack on us, Chris. It's a direct attack on us. And he can go fuck himself. And this guy... Fuck you, Doug Lyman. How about that? These two people kill 40 people in this movie and it's just like, they're pretty hot though, aren't they? Yeah. It's like morally... How dare you moralize to us, Doug Lyman? You jerk. It is also, you know, Meg Ryan...

Is our rom-com queen, you know, so you don't want to see her. It's different when it's Meg Ryan versus Brad Pitt. And I say that is a sexist double standard or whatever. But that's this is America. Well, so they were pretty quiet about when this started on the set, which is another piece of this movie.

Angelina said to New York Times in 2008 that she's excited for her kids to see Mr. and Mrs. Smith one day. Yeah. Not a lot of people get to see a movie where their parents fell in love. I have that quote memorized. No, I know. As soon as you started, I was like, oh, it's this quote. Yeah. 06, Angelina said this two years earlier, because of the film, we ended up being brought together to do all these crazy things.

And I think we found this strange friendship and partnership that just kind of suddenly happened. I think a few months in, I realized, God, I can't wait to get to work. Love happens, Amanda. It sure does. But she did say to People Magazine. That was me. I was like, God damn. I can't wait to get to work.

Yeah. Every time Bill's like, here's another Rewatchables from 1982. Craig's like, I can't wait. Is Liz going to be there? She said to People Magazine, to be intimate with a married man when my own father cheated on my mother is not something I could forgive. I could not look at myself in the morning if I did that. Yeah, we haven't said the name Jon Voight yet.

Not a great guy. No. A lot of good research on him. That's always been a complicated relationship. I think they've been estranged for the majority of her time in the public eye. And she is, you know, given a lot of quotes about that. And then Aniston said to the Hollywood Reporter, quote, no one did anything wrong. Yeah.

I was going to save this for later, but I do feel like we have to talk about the Jennifer Aniston piece of this. Let's go. I'm going to do my hottest take right now. Really? Okay. Greatest thing that ever happened in her career. This whole triangle. I think it bought her a level of celebrity and...

kept her in the limelight and had people rooting for her when she was really not making that many great movies there for a while. But I think people just, they wanted good things to happen to her after this. And I think it was ultimately like professionally a good thing for her. So you feel like the people,

The American public would have eventually turned their back on Jennifer Aniston. I just think they would have moved on to other stars unless she was bringing it... You know, as you know, I love Just Go With It. It's not like she was making all bad movies, but... But I don't think it was the most noteworthy career in Post Friends. But I think this really helped her. I think financially, a thousand percent, yes. Because, I mean, she is...

still like the world's number one spokeswoman you know and I can I'm not gonna I guess I won't give the free advertising but I know all of the brands like by name that Jennifer Aniston did she do it on her Instagram or something no I just see them everywhere you know and I mean maybe that just means I'm old and they're like targeting that Aveeno ad right at me you know they're like here you go but um

She, I think it's definitely true that it kept her in the public eye and extended her public persona and our sympathy for her. Don't you think it helped her public persona, though? Because...

There was a grace in a class that she had about a really shitty situation that was embarrassing that I think people, like, appreciated. They were like, wow, man, I don't know if I could have handled it as well. What was the moment recently or, like, in the last couple of years where there was, like, they were on camera together? Thanks so much for asking. So two separate incidents. Number one.

It was a pandemic thing, right? They were doing a reading together over Zoom. Yeah, they did a reading and one of those Zoom reads. And so they had like the interaction with the... And he was like, hey. And he's like, hey, Aniston. And she's like, hi, honey, how you doing? And then they don't interact for the rest of the thing. Hi, Aniston. Hi, Pitt. How you doing? Good, honey, how are you doing? I'm all right. And then when he was nominated for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which I guess was pre-pandemic, that was 2019, he was nominated for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

I guess it was at the SAG Awards. Uh-huh. Maybe it was Golden Globes, but it was at a place where TV and movie people were in the same space. And so they were both nominated and they had like a passing moment. She was nominated for Morning Show? I believe it was for the Morning Show. For worst TV show of the year? Did you watch the finale? Of course. I didn't listen to your podcast about it. Okay, thank you. Yeah, it was... After we demoted Morning Show from Prestige TV and moved it to Guilty Pleasure. Yeah.

That was a tough run. Also, like, do you think that she and Reese Witherspoon filmed a single scene together? No, I think they CGI'd everything. Even the last scene? It was more expensive than Game of Thrones. There's something very telling about the fact that she's holding her arm like that. Like, it's not like she's got her arm around her. To prove that. So, if so, then Apple has, like, really upped their CGI, at least in that last scene. I'm going to find out. Okay. Over the holidays, I'm going to find out. Anyway, so, okay, thank you so much. I'm going to call in some favors. Okay, great.

Tim, SG here. Hey, Tim. Quick question. Look, number one, can I get a titanium iPhone? Number two, you got to give me the lowdown. Anyway, to bring it back to the SAG Awards and or Golden Globe Awards in 2019, they're both nominated and they pass each other backstage.

And they did maybe like a, here, give me your hand. It was sort of like a this, like in passing, you know? Holding it along a little bit? Yeah, just like a half shake. Okay. And people zoomed in on it and like we all had a moment together. I mean, they're closing in on the, if we're still single when we're 60, let's make another run at it. Like a pact? Yeah. I think there's a chance that, you know, they met.

She was super famous in the late 90s. He was hitting it big in the late 90s. We've talked about this before in the rewatchables where one person's like, I can't believe I'm dating...

This is, I can't believe I'm pulling this off. And then the other person's like, I can't believe I'm pulling this off. And they're just, you end up together for five years, but they, it doesn't seem like they had a ton in common. Yeah. I don't, I don't know if I, if Brad Pitt is getting back together with exes, Gwyneth Paltrow seems happily married now, but you know, that's, that's what I'm looking for. So the Gwyneth, I agree with you. Thank you. Yeah. I'm with you on that one. Um, Brad Pitt wasn't smoking hot either when this movie came out.

Okay, you mean like career-wise? Career-wise. Sorry. Because you think this is like peak. I just like, I pause for a second. Yeah, yeah. The Mexican spy game, Ocean's Eleven. Yeah. Troy. Hey, can I ask you something? Troy's the bomb and then Ocean's Eleven. No, no, no. Go back. Go back. Go back. Can I ask you something that I've been wanting to ask you for a long time? The Mexican? No, no, no. And now we're in front of microphones. Do you like Ocean's Eleven? I do. Okay, but like you had to think about that. No, I do. You do. I genuinely do. Do you like 12th?

I don't like 12 as much, but I do like going to Italy. And I like going to, I like being in Europe. Me too. I just like any movie where I get to go somewhere. This is why Bill and I are friends, by the way. Yeah. But I just, even just now, you were like, he's been on a, like a tough streak. And then you said Ocean's Eleven. And I just, that's an important thing. But I listed off five movies where he wasn't, he wasn't the lead of a super successful movie. Did you say Troy? Yeah.

Didn't do well. I know, but every single man we worked with has watched that on cable like 8,000 times, including this man right here. Hell yeah. I saw it in the movie theater with Adam Carolla and we just kind of left and we were like, fucking A. Why wasn't that better? Or they miss it. It was like between two eras of CGI. Yeah. But this, my point is like, this was him and Angelina driving a $500 million movie. This was the biggest success, I think, for both of them. Because it was just them. It was the two of them.

And I would be hard pressed to find in the history of Hollywood a better love triangle than this from a look standpoint and a fame standpoint. I just don't think we can do better. It would be like right now if it was Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey, and then Olivia Rodrigo. Respectfully. Oh yeah. Olivia Rodrigo comes in and steals Travis Kelsey from Taylor Swift.

That's the only thing I could think that, or Kim Kardashian comes in and steals Taylor Swift. Or Travis Kelsey. If she stole Taylor Swift, that would be even more amazing. Taylor Swift, that actually is the correct, yeah, because no one really cares about stealing. Kylie Jenner comes in and steals Travis Kelsey from Taylor Swift, and then everybody's like, the Kardashians made you do that. I know that it's an amazing merging of worlds, and Travis Kelsey seems like a very nice guy, and I'm pro the Kelsey family, but he's not Brad Pitt. Absolutely.

it. But that's my point. Even though he's apparently a very good football player. You can't come up with a triangle like this. Yeah. It's impossible. Yeah. You just can't do it. That's it. A couple more things in the movie. We mentioned it was directed by Doug Liman. It was written by Simon Kinberg, but there were like 40 people involved. Roger Ebert, three stars. He loved it. Which is weird because he's usually a story guy. Not this time.

It's a weird review. He says, there's a kind of movie that consists of watching two people on the screen. Yeah. The plot is immaterial. What matters is the chemistry. A term that once referred to a science, but now refers to the heat we sense or we think we sense between two movie stars, Brad Pitt and Angelina have it. Yeah.

Raj. But then at the end of the review, he's like, it used to be that people would come up to me and ask me like what film they should see. And now they just ask me about like the private lives of celebrities. And I guess that's just where we are. That's another subplot of this movie. Social media definitely changes it.

I think that barrier gets removed because like now Angelina, like 20, well, how old was she when she did this? Like 26? She was 30. 30? When it comes out. So, yeah. Right. So she would, if it was now, she would have had some Instagram account from when she was a child actress that would have had 10 million followers.

We would have known. They would have been tracking, oh, wait, why was she in this place? And Brad Pitt was there, too. And his... It just would have been different. There was more mystery, and I think there's no mystery anymore with anything. Yeah. Except for Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift. There's no mystery with that. I was kidding. Okay. Yeah. There's no mystery at all. Is that Chiefs-Eagles game at... I know this is coming out Monday night, but is that Chiefs-Eagles game in Philly? No, I think it's in Kansas City. Okay. But I don't think...

I think she's... She's going. She is going? Their parents are meeting for the first time. Are you serious? When did this get... That happened today, and I was actually really excited that it was going to happen in Philly because I was like, I think that they're going to get booed. Yeah, because she's from Pennsylvania. Yeah, and also, are you going to come over to watch that? Sure. Okay. This is very exciting because I thought since she's on tour in South America that like the one... Yeah, she's flying back for it. Yeah, I mean, which we can talk about the jet costs another time. I thought like the one game...

that I would have to watch was going to be the game she wasn't going to go to. So I'm excited. Can I ask you one last question before we go to most rewatchable scenes? Yes. Whose side were you on during this love triangle? I'm so glad that you asked. You never really told us. No, I know, and I was ready. 2005 Amanda. Yes, I was in college. Yeah. And I was very interested in all of this stuff.

and a voracious Us Weekly reader. And it was maybe a little contrarian streak, or it was maybe, honestly, my true feelings. I was team Jolie. Now, here's why. I have to tell you that I, and this is not an original take, but Angelina Jolie is one of the most beautiful women that I've ever seen. And my taste in women is very, it's Angelina Jolie, it's Rachel Weisz,

It's this French woman, Adele Hanel. There's just an all-consuming... There's a shocking third mention of all-time women there. Jesus. That's just the list off the top of my head. I love it. But they're all... Hayley Atwell's another one. Something where they just assault you with their...

their beauty and like kind of overpower you is the way that I go. So I think I just, I was like, well, look at Angelina Jolie. You can't deny it. You know? She's one of those. She hit that rare spot where all guys were obviously like, she's one of the most beautiful people I've ever seen. But even women...

Who normally could be like, I don't know. But even everybody was just like, yep, it's done. It's a wrap. It was just like a guaranteed number one pick. It was undeniable. You can't look away from her on a screen. Well, this movie probably leveraged it the best. Yeah. I think. I can't speak for Original Sin because I haven't seen that in a while. My wife had the best take on this 20 years ago.

She's like, well, obviously, Aniston couldn't make his toes curl. There we go. That was Carrie? Yeah, she was like, from the hip, just shooting straight. Yeah.

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To learn more. Most rewatchable scene. I would like to just throw this out there for most rewatchable scene. It's not the most rewatchable scene, but I don't know where else to put this in the categories. The marriage counseling scenes are the hottest thing in this movie. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. And I wish that the movie was more like the marriage counseling scenes in some ways. How often do you have sex? I don't understand the question. Yeah, I'm lost. Is this a one to ten thing? But because, like, is one very little or is one nothing? Because...

You know, technically speaking, the zero would be nothing. How about this week? Including the weekend? Sure. Like that kind of like almost improv feeling patter. Yeah. Just really enjoy it. And it's a great way for this movie to open. Because I remember going into theater and you're seeing the ads and everything. And you're like, okay, I'm ready for these guys to look hot and shoot up some stuff. And then that's the way it starts.

And you're like, whoa. Yeah. I'm on my back foot. This is interesting. What's going on here? And it's so meta. So I just want to put a little marker on that. I made a list. That was number one on my list. Those are great. Did you like going to Columbia five or six years ago? Because that's on my list. I know that the people of Columbia did not appreciate that depiction of. No, they didn't. Yeah. I like going there though. Nice hotel. Carnival game was good. San Gennaro Festival. Yeah. That was fun. I think. Yeah.

So the bookend murders where she's dressed like a dominatrix and he's at a poker game and they both have to do their little assassination. Right. And then she jumps off the roof. Yeah. I don't know how. It's fucking cool. I didn't appreciate. It's her purse. No, I know, but I just can't. I don't think it was realistic. Oh. How they filmed it was super cool. Yeah. It's a great scene. Yeah.

I didn't appreciate the anti-Irish sentiment of John killing all those Irish guys. Did you see Florence on yet? No. The Apple show? It's a movie. Okay. The one where she teaches, Eve Hewson teaches, like Joseph Gordon-Levitt teaches her kid how to play guitar. This is your thing you're bringing to me? Okay. Set in Dublin. All right. Bono's daughter, who's great.

I'm worried about you. I'm worried about you. You're changing. My wife watched it. You're changing. My wife watched it and I happened to be in the room watching two basketball games on the other two TVs and kind of half watching it. That's what, that's the new house. We have the setup. I can watch basketball and chip in on the movie. That is the future of marriage and I love it.

And she was all in on it. Okay. But it's set in Ireland and you like being in Ireland for movies. That's why I mentioned it. I will check it out. I like Eve. I gotta say, she's great. She's wonderful. She's a really good actress. She was in Bad Sisters. Spitfire. Did you watch that show? Yeah. You're a big time Apple consumer. Apparently. Next one after we watched was the in-house dinner scene. This is nice. To do something new. I added peas. Yeah, peas.

Yeah, it's the green. Sweetheart, will you pass the salt? It's in the middle of the table. Oh, is that the middle of the table? Yeah, it's between you and me. Great stuff. My favorite. I added peas. Great stuff. The big shootout where they end up in a real fight and then kind of consummating the fight. That whole lot of stuff going on there. The fuel oil explosion is really cool. When they're trapped in the basement. Oh, yeah. Oh, right. And the thing blows up and they jump out. I like how that's filmed.

the store shootout where they have the yellow glasses on at the end. What else? Did you have anything else? Yeah. The tango scene. Mm. Tango scene's good. Yeah, the second one. Yeah. It's important and they both look very hot. And then I do like the car chase where they're trading things that they lied about to each other. Notre Dame art history major. Yeah. I can't believe I brought my real parents to our wedding. I mean, that's funny. Yeah. Yeah.

What do you have, anything else? Uh...

I like the elevator scene where he's like, blow it. Oh, yeah. And then the lady from SVU blows it up. All your interests coming together. Yeah. It's very exciting. But I would say probably...

Probably the night that they both go out to kill people and then come back home. That's mine too. That's my most rewatchable. Mine's the dinner scene where they both know. Yeah. With the peas and the wine. The drop in the wine. Yeah. And like the various knives being eventually in her life. And you think she's been poisoned a couple of times. The Trano and the martini. Once again, today's most rewatchable scene brought to you by The Home Depot. The best parts of a great movie tend to fly by just like the holiday season. Don't wait until the last minute to catch it on The Home Depot's Black Friday Savings. Are you a Black Friday person?

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We talked about the paparazzi era. Yeah. I know it was cruel and weird in a lot of ways, but I still kind of miss it. You know what I really miss is thumbing through a newsstand on a Thursday. I miss getting Us Weekly in the mail and being like, oh, here's 25 minutes. So where was your favorite magazine stand in LA? Were you out here by then? The Larchmont one, yeah. Yeah.

That was great. But it wasn't just us. Star had a little run. Yeah. National Enquirer was kind of the seedier, but still kind of fun to thumb through. They made up a lot of things, but also a broken clock. Chelsea Clinton abducted by Martians. People Magazine was having a great run. There was just good runs all over the place. Yes.

In other words, age is the best for me. Having a contract to kill someone. Great plot in a movie. When it's not good, it's like, hey, we're paying you to kill this person. You gotta get it done, man. You seen The Killer yet? The new David Fincher? Of course I saw it. He's reviewed it on like three different podcasts. Oh, I'm sorry. Were they basketball ones?

No, I just said I thought Fincher threw a solid six and two-thirds innings. Yeah, but ask him how he watched The Killer. How did you watch The Killer? I watched it at home. And was basketball on while you were watching it? No, no, no, it wasn't. It was just The Killer. Okay. Once he started with the Smiths, I was like, I'm in. I'm locking in. He's bringing the Smiths back. He has my full attention.

Chris, what do you have for what stage is the best? Angelina Jolie balancing herself on the chair while futzing with the drapes. How'd they do that? I was just like, god damn. It felt like she really did that. I feel like that was a great example of that character's kind of dexterity and grace and everything. I love her calling him a pussy. Oh, yeah. Pussy! Pussy!

That was really funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he's like, jerk and shit, and she's like, pussy! I have a what's-age that's the best related to that. Okay. Which is zipline exits. Yeah. Because that's the second zipline exit in this movie. You don't see it that much anymore. You don't. They make good use of it. You don't. And I said this before, but the marriage counseling scenes. Yeah. I have their house...

I mean, hello. Obviously, Google it. Go ahead and check it out. Of course. Pasadena was not surprised at all to find out that was Pasadena. Can we do the house now? Yeah.

So I think that this might have surpassed the father of the bride house for me. It's bigger. As my new, and as you always know, because I text you every time I drive by the father of the bride house. Way smaller than you expect. Well, and it's just the lots are small, right? I mean, it's a beautiful house, but I think that- The movie makes it seem way bigger. Yeah, this has jumped-

Above the father of the bride house as my dream Pasadena house. It is beautiful. It's really nice. There's a little back part with like an extension. Yeah, like a sun porch. It's got a shed. Really good stuff. Interesting setup for his man cave. It's kind of like with the glass door. It seems very small. Like you'd think a guy like that would have a bigger, bigger like TV watching area. But yeah, for the most part, I agree. Yeah. Yeah.

What's aged the best? Just that Angelina and Kerry Washington are both in this movie? Yeah, we'll get to the I-team. Yeah. They're having like, they both have like those distinct mouths and they're doing scenes where it's like, oh, we're having a mouth off right now. Just a little Silence of the Lambs right there. Young Adam Brody? Yeah. Speaking of most 2005 movie. Oh, yeah. Well, he's coming up in Apex Mountain. Yeah, this is the most Adam Brody-ish time we've ever had.

I have the weapons stove and just the concept of having something in the kitchen that you press a button and all of a sudden it's all of these weapons that you have access to, which they wish Home Depot sold that. Can't get that at Home Depot. Black Friday sale, maybe? I'll send you a link. Okay. I like the Jesus Rocks tracksuits, tracksuits, suits. I can't speak that they're both wearing. I thought those were funny. Yeah.

The Michelle Monaghan cameo. It's unbelievable. How about that? It had to be one of her first movies, right? I think so. She wasn't in any of the MIs yet. It's just one scene, but she wasn't famous yet, right? No, it's before The Mission Impossible. And Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and everything, right? Yeah, it's before Maid of Honor. Anyone else remember that? I remember that. Come on, who are you talking about? I know. Stop. What's aged the best? The Lyme and Vince Vaughn reunion?

Yeah. Well, man, a little more in 05, but still kind of enjoying it. And then I just had in general this mid-2000s Vince Vaughn-a-science that we were having. Right. Where we had old school, then that goes in the dodgeball, but then he's in this. Vince Vaughn was in the mix there for a couple years. Yeah, he... Oh, go ahead. No, no, no. You talk about the movies and then I'll do the extracurricular stuff. I was just going to say that that was supposed to be a bit part. Eddie was

It was just supposed to be in like a scene or something. And it needed a cameo and then they expanded it. Yeah. Well, and then. Well, we did all the Aniston stuff, except we didn't note how during the summer of 2005, when this movie was released, Vince Vaughn and Jennifer Aniston were also romantically involved. To what extent still remains unclear. I have some. Yeah.

Whatever you want to share. Dubuity on this. Yeah. Dubuity? Yeah, dubiousness. Okay. Dubuity. I made up the word. Sure. Some dubuity on this. Right. So you think that she concocted this Vince thing? I don't think there was a concocting. I think maybe they were hanging out. And they were also filming the breakup. It really helped the movie they were filming. Yeah. I just was a little suspect because I don't see those two people together for any reason. Well. So. Okay. Um.

The Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. I have the version of Lay Lady Lay. I have that as well. Okay. Yeah. I actually thought that sounded good. I liked it.

I have a deep cut, which is when Baby Baby by Amy Grant is playing when they walk into the neighbor's house. That is really funny. Craig, do you know the song Baby Baby? Do you know Amy Grant? Or did that just go right over your head? Big Amy Grant Christmas album person. Yeah, of course. My grown-up Christmas list. Speaking of that scene, I would just like to...

wedge into what's aged the best is Angelina Jolie's character realizing that she's wearing fishnets and thigh-high boots at the Christmas party because she hasn't changed. Yeah. It's a good bit. Yeah, it's very good. Big Kahuna burger where best use of food and drink. It's got to be the wine bottle dropping. Yeah, I have the pot roast. I had the peas. That whole dinner scene. Den of Thieves...

Benny Hanna Award, scene, still, and location. I know the Colombians weren't happy about this movie, but I still like the scene, the location. I stand with the Colombians. Yeah. I thought, just guess what? South America, great movie location. I'm always in. Yeah. Name a South American city I'm in. But like Columbia doesn't, yeah. You have my attention. Go outside the hotel though.

It's fine. But it looks like a wonderful hotel. I mean, like the paint colors are distressed just so. I would like to say that. I just don't think it's an accurate representation of the... Oh, there's no question it was not. Yeah. I was going to say the homeware store at the end is my scene stealing location.

Great shot, Gordo Award, most cinematic shot. I think her descending from the hotel with the purse, right? That's really cool how they filmed that. Oh, I was going to do the one once it's all at war in the house and she's sliding across the lobby. That's cool, too. The foyer, excuse me, with the gun. Yeah, it's good stuff. The Vincent Chase Award. Are we sure this character was actually good at his job?

I have a red herring for you. Doug Liman. Oh, Billy. So you do a shoot and you're betting that... To be clear, he didn't bet. This is the second time you said you're betting. He literally says, I'm betting that Soderbergh's... No, he's betting because...

He thinks he can finish his shoot before Ocean 12 starts. Yeah. So he's making that bet because if he can't finish it in time, it's going to cost like an extra 20 million for the movie. Yeah. He's like, no, Ocean 12 is not starting on time. Guess what? Ocean 12 started on time. He's lucky Ocean 12 like probably shot as fast as it did. Yeah. So he ends up costing $26 million extra before they could film the rest of it.

And here's what the crazy part, and this is why I don't think he was good at his job. He already did this. He already made the mistake with Matt Damon on The Bourne Identity who had to drop out to film Ocean's Eleven because Doug Liman said, oh, he's not going to be able to start Ocean's Eleven on time. And he did. And he says twice for the second time in a row, I bet against Steven Soderbergh and lost. You're bad at your job. I don't really know. I mean,

you know, white guys get lots of chances in this world, but Doug Liman, every movie, there is a tell-all where it's like, this was fucking crazy. This guy was just like shooting random scenes or he would show up and not knowing what he wanted to do or he would break the rules of cinematic storytelling and we'd have to go back and fix it and like all this stuff. And they're just like, you know what? Let's give this guy Edge of Tomorrow. And you know what? Half the time it kind of works. His movies look fucking cool and I've enjoyed almost all of them.

I love his movies. It is really funny that both times he makes the bet against Steven get this shit done Soderbergh. You know, it's like also the least informed worst bet. If anyone is going to get their stuff together. Only Clint Eastwood is a worst bet against. Yeah. Right. I would have loved the transcript of the phone call when he's like, hey, he calls the studio head.

Hey man, remember when I said I didn't think that Ocean's 12 was going to start on time? Well, we lost Brad Pitt. Going to have to shut down for six months. I mean, 26 million is like, you can make two other movies in 2005 for that. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for the weak link in the film. The third act of this film is pretty flimsy. Once they're in on each other and they know, oh, you're a spy and I'm a spy, let's team up.

but then it goes on for another 35 minutes. And it's like, at that point, the tension of the movie is this cat and mouse game between the two of them. Once you remove that, then I'm just watching any other action movie.

That was my nitpick, Chris. You're not with me? I think the third act has some narrative issues, for sure. Yeah. It could be half as much, half as much. I agree. Though I do like the last set piece a lot. Yeah, it just becomes a different movie. It's just like, and who's shooting at them? A SWAT team? But like from...

From what governmental agency? Well, they edited some stuff out, right? The multiple companies that are trying to team up to kill them? I'm just a stickler for espionage detail. Okay, well, sure. I had that in What's Aged to Worst. And the third act is where your problems start. Yes. Okay. I had that in What's Aged to Worst. I don't know. This is another one of those who are we fighting against movies. They actually do know. They just cut it out of the movie. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, who was it? I would have liked to have known. Keith David was in it. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there's also like a whole plot. Angela Bassett. Jacqueline Bessette and Terrence Dink. Oh, Jacqueline Bessette. Oh, right. And they edited it out. What's aged the worst? Somebody waiting on their sidewalk for the newspaper to get delivered? What has that happened? Yeah. What year was the last time anybody did that? Like 2013? 2013.

Where are you going? I'm going to go outside of my bathrobe and see if the newspaper is outside yet. Now we just wait for podcasts to drop. Yeah. Yeah. Just refreshing Spotify. What's aged worse? In order to get a wider PG-13 audience, a very steamy sex scene between Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie was cut.

Never understood the PG-13R thing. Sometimes it seems like it doesn't matter. Other times it really seems like it matters. It seems like something from a completely different era. Right. Do you think it matters anymore? Because at the same time, R-rated comedies are taking off. And if you've ever been to a movie theater in the last 15 years, have you ever seen anyone be like, you're too young to come in? Right. No. Literally nobody's working at any movie theater. There's one popcorn guy. And I think I wonder whether or not it's easier to make

TV versions of movies that are PG-13. So it's like you cut less or you have to rearrange less. But still, I mean, it's really weird when they're like, we're going to make a really hard action movie. And at the last second, they're like, actually, it's got to be PG-13. Just really doesn't make any sense. There was a TV series before this movie called Mr. and Mrs. Smith starring Scott Bakula and one of my favorite 90s ladies, Maria Bello. Oh. Didn't really work. Same plot?

I think same plot. Probably whatever the initial... Because they tried to make another... After. Another series afterwards. Where'd you stand on Maria Bello? Big fan. Huge ER run for her. Oh, yeah. Really thought excellent, excellent stuff. Liked her in a bunch of stuff. Lyman said...

he's a chemistry guy. This is a what's aged the worst where he's talking about how chemistry is important for Doug Lyman films. And he said, I mean, there's chemistry between Jon Favreau and Vince Vaughn and swingers. I always cast couples with great chemistry, but they don't always fall in love. Once again, settle down, Doug. Maybe don't talk. Maybe sit this one out. Um,

The lineman said when they were doing the reshoots and it was clear that Brad and Angelina were together, that a photo was fetching $300,000. And he says, so we were all like, hmm, I'll tell you, I had to think twice about that one. Again, Doug, your mouth's moving. People are recording your tongue hitting the top of your mouth.

Any other with stage the worst? I mean, I guess Brad and Angelina's relationship. Tough end to that one. Yeah. Oh, that's, yeah. We probably should have mentioned that. Yeah. It's ongoing, I think. They still are. Pretty dark, dark stuff. He hit a point around the fifth kid where in every picture he just looked like he had to look like, oh man, I don't know what happened. I just thought she was kind of hot on set and now we have five kids. The vineyard, you know? Yeah. And there was something about a Russian oligarch, right? Yeah. Like her selling her half. Right. Yeah.

And he had just built like this like state-of-the-art recording studio there. Now he's selling like wine skincare. I got served an Instagram ad recently of him, his skincare routine. Listen, if you get sent any of the product, I'd love to try it. I don't think that I'm their target audience. Okay. Do you think she's an excellent actress? Angelina Jolie? Yeah. Could she have been a marriage story with Adam Driver? Well, she's so...

And listen, this sounds ridiculous to say in comparison to Scarlett Johansson, who is also one of the most beautiful, striking women in the world. But I don't know because I'm just so distracted by what Angelina Jolie looks like. And I think that that overpowers so anything that she's in. She was really good in the Daniel Pearl movie. Wasn't that the one she made? I saw that one. Yeah.

I saw it. It was an Oscar screen. A Mighty Heart? Mighty Heart. I thought she was really good in that. That made me think like, oh man, there's... Could she have been like Meryl Streep if...

she wasn't so distracted. I'm always so curious about like the choices that actors make when it comes to cast, like what rules they take, because, you know, when you get to that level of fame, you assume you can just kind of call your own shot to some extent. Yeah. And, you know, recently Jennifer Lawrence, I think when No Hard Feelings came out, she was like, I changed my representation because like I found out that I wasn't getting the scripts. She's like, I want to be in a Safdie Brothers movie, but I wasn't getting like those scripts. And then

You know, I think somebody like Emma Stone is very good at choosing really interesting material. So I always try to, I was like wondering, like, would Angelina Jolie, I don't think the age thing would have worked, but like, it's not a big part, but would she have done Rachel McAdams in Spotlight? Like, is there like... Oh, that's a good one. Like, who's somebody that Angelina Jolie over the years could... But you would just be like, this person's not working at the Boston Globe. Right. I guess. Yeah. I mean, like...

It's tough. It's almost like it's a curse because there's certain roles she can't do any ordinary person roles because she looks like nobody. It would be like casting Wilt Chamberlain as, you know, like a newspaper editor. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was going to say. I do know who Wilt Chamberlain is. That would have been an amazing spotlight. Wilt Chamberlain is running the Philly Enquirer. Is what if Wilt Chamberlain was Michael Keaton in Spotlight? Like,

I don't know, Roller Girl and Boogie Nights. Oh, she could have done that. But it changes the power dynamics of the movie a little. Trying to think of other. Could she have done The Bride and Kill Bill? Match point Scarlett Johansson part. Young Angelina. Yeah, but she would have to be younger because that's also 2005, right? Yeah. But why? She could have done Uma Thurman and Kill Bill. Yeah. She could have done Jennifer Lopez. Uma Thurman and Kill Bill. She could have done the out of sight part. Yeah.

But I also feel like... I don't even know if she could do... But she obviously has other interests, and I think that her movies serve her interests in a lot of ways. Yeah, I mean, she... Could she have done Erin Brockovich? Oh, man. Yeah, maybe. But I don't think she could do any other... No, but I don't think she could do any other Julia Roberts movie. The Blind Side?

That would have been really funny. That's funny. I'm trying to imagine... I'm just trying to think of other big parts. Angelina Jolie in a Soderbergh movie. The Fighter? Could she have been the... Who was that? Amy Adams? Oh, yeah. No. Could you buy her as like a... It would have been funny if she had played Melissa Leo in The Fighter. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like she was this giant star, but I also can't name four Angelina Jolie movies I'd want to watch again. She could do...

I was about to say she could do a lot of Jessica Chastain roles, but Jessica Chastain is another person. Oh, Zero Dark Thirty. Yeah. But Jessica Chastain is another person who is undeniably a great actor. And like the movies are really hit and miss. Yeah. Maybe this just speaks to there's not a lot of good parts. I bet. Just in general. That is true. Because Brad Pitt was in an all-time slump.

And then makes the Tarantino movie and it's like, Brad fucking Pitt. He's back. And she never really had one of those in the last 10 years. She also had six kids to deal with. So maybe she wasn't, maybe she wasn't as focused. Yeah, you're right. Brad Pitt, 07 on, rips off like a bunch of movies where you're just like, holy shit. Brad Pitt is really in the mix again. Yeah, like she doesn't have her Inglorious Bastards or anything like that. Because leading up to going, like there's this like kind of like he doesn't, the executive produces The Departed, but he's not in it.

He's in Babel. Moneyball. No, but then it's Assassination of Jesse James, Burn After Reading, Benjamin Button and Glorious Bastards, Tree of Life, Moneyball. And you're like, oh my God, this guy is huge. It's the all-time. Moneyball, that's a good example that they have talked about sometimes where it's like every once in a while you just want to see a movie star be a movie star. That was like the Tom Cruise, Jerry Maguire secret sauce. It was like one of the first rewatches we ever did. And I don't think she adhered to that.

Because there's no Billy Bean for her to play. But when she tried to do a movie like that, it would be like that weird by the sea, whatever that one was called. Well, that was them trying to do some sort of like art house. This is about our marriage thing. She really...

She either does action movies. I like Salt. I mean, it's not a good movie, but I liked her in it. Oh, yeah. She tried. I guess she's good in it, but it wasn't a great movie. She tried with the tourist, like which is just like an absolutely cursed experiment. But, you know, theoretically, that's Angelina Jolie, Johnny Depp trying to one up each other in European locations. Right. And it just doesn't doesn't work. After Mr. Smith, she does Good Shepherd, Mighty Heart.

Beowulf. I don't remember that one. That was like a half animated. Changeling, which I thought was terrible. Wanted, Salt, The Tourist, Maleficent. It was probably the most successful of all of these. By the Sea. Like these are just a bad 10 years. I mean, after The Tourist, she really is only doing like the Kung Fu Panda series, which I think is paying a lot of money. She doesn't have like another movie in the... And Maleficent.

But, like, now, like, is she... She's apparently filming a Pablo Lorraine biopic of Maria Callas. Oh. And she's playing Maria Callas. I don't know. Craig, what's your relationship with Angelina Jolie, the movie actress? There's not one. I mean, she's famous because of her life outside of movies. Yeah, see, I think that's a bad outcome for her. She's a good actress. But I think since 2010, she really...

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Was there a better title for this movie? I'm going to say no. I had Couples Therapy. Oh, that became a title. Of a Vince Vaughn movie, right? That's Couples Retreat. That's Couples Retreat. Yeah. Craig likes that one. Craig loves when Sandler uses vacations to make a movie. Do you like Four Christmases? Yeah, I remember watching. I remember. I enjoy that one. The Jon Favreau dinner scenes are funny. Yeah. Do you have a Stephen A. Smith out of stake? I do. What is it? Are these people too hot?

I'll get out of here. Are they so hot? It's not even relatable. That it's not erotic. Oh, wow. I'm Stephen A. Smith. Okay. I mean, fair enough.

I thought Original Sin had that problem. Yeah. Sometimes I'm like, I feel like I'm watching... Two aliens? Yeah, like two angels floating above me. I'm not watching a man and a woman. I just think I'm watching a Michelangelo painting come to life. It's beautiful stuff. Do you have a how to stay? Yeah, I mean, it's lower stakes. Yeah. I think those are the ugliest kitchen styles in recorded history. That's why you're here. I mean, can you believe...

I know the curtains get all the attention in the movie. They're written in. Like, what is happening there? It is weird. Okay, thank you. It's trying to be too mundane. I had one more hottest take. I doubled down. It'll never happen, but a sequel to this movie would be amazing with these two people. Oh, yeah. I mean... And it's like, eh, we kind of figured out some of the legal stuff, and now it's about these divorce spies who are contracted. This is one of those things, though, it's like, it's just so crazy it might work. It's like, if you were a...

struggling Hollywood studio routinely spending $200 million in comic book movies. Yeah. Why wouldn't you back it up and just be like 80 mil the two of you Mr. and Mrs. Smith to the divorce years. I think their split has been way too ugly. It has been. I agree with you.

That's why it's a hottest take. No, it's good. The concept of these two as divorced, maybe you'd have to use two different people, but divorced Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Yeah. Then being contracted to kill each other. And now that's a totally different movie. Do they wind up together at the end? No, one of them dies. Yeah, this is a real divorce movie. Oh, I thought you were doing like a comedy of remarriage. No, we were really getting divorced at the end of this. Okay. Yeah. Well, I also would watch my version. This is a much darker sequel.

Your version would be fine. Okay, thank you. Casting what ifs. See, that's not the kind of approval that I get on a big picture. Well, I mean, I just, I wanted to go dark. No, you're much nicer. You know, Sean isn't here. I wanted to go dark. So people are being, are hearing my ideas and I just want to say I appreciate it. Casting what ifs. Brad Pitt and Nicole Kidman were originally cast. Kidman had to leave. Pitt dropped out. They talked to Depp and Will Smith.

Johnny Depp, as you know. Johnny Depp and Cate Blanchett. Or Will Smith and Catherine Zeta-Jones. Apparently, we're considered as... And Gwen Stefani claims she got very close. Oh, well, good for Gwen Stefani. Lyman said he wanted to cast Gwyneth Paltrow.

because they're really exes. Think about that. Fireworks could really fly in that situation. You find out what that baggage is and bring it out at the right moment with the cameras rolling. Do you think Doug has a publicist? Doug, stop talking. Is there a pill for Doug? He said, even if he was game for it, it's wrong for us to put him in a situation where he's going to have to relive the demons of that relationship. That's a little bit too much mad scientist. Okay, Doug. He said he loved Cate Blanchett, but she was doing The Aviator.

Yeah, I love one of the great actors, Liv Inc. But she was not available because she was in a Martin Scorsese movie. On my radar. For which she won an Oscar. Brian Scalabrini does this during Celtic Games. He was like, I was telling you about Tyrese Maxey two years ago. It's like, yeah, we all knew Tyrese Maxey was going to be good. Settle down. Chris, what do you have for the Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge over acting award? They knew and they let it happen. Don't you call me lady. I come in here. I give these things to you. Give it all you got. Give it all you got.

I treated you like a son! You fucking stabbed me in the heart! Fuck you! Fuck you! It's Vince Vaughn, and I also have a note to make about this performance. Which is this. Can you do the... When they shot this again? What was the shooting schedule for? 2004. Beginning of 2004 and the end of... I wonder...

Whether we've got a little, I wouldn't go as far as to say comic plagiarism, but I think it's interesting that he is just doing Will Ferrell from Wedding Crashers. Yeah. In this movie and is in Wedding Crashers with Will Ferrell. What do we got left here? 23, 22, 18 and change. You got 18 hours until they close the book on both of you? We're on high alert here! Almost killed you right then! You do not even realize! I am so done playing games with this boy.

And that those movies were shooting relatively parallel to one another. Oh, you think he like sponged it? I would never accuse him of stealing from Will Ferrell. He kind of sponged into him a little bit. But it is like the whole mom thing. And then, yeah, like, I see it. This is definitely, I think he's, I honestly routinely, I'm just like Vince Vaughn's my favorite part of a movie. This movie in particular, I just feel like he did not have a script.

that Doug was just like Vince just cook. He had no idea what's happening in the movie really other than, but he has to like move it along. He's like, there's a price on your head. I got it on my phone. And he's like,

He lives at a diner. Is he an assassin? What's his job? Like, what's he do? So you're saying like Philip Seymour Hoffman and along came Polly. Which is a 10 out of 10. Can you just carry a scene here for two minutes? Yeah. And you're saying Vince is like a 4 out of 10. Yeah, but Vince is capable. I just like Vince Vaughn, but I think you're right. I think you've flipped my head. He's routinely doing an 8. I can't remember a single...

Vince Vaughn like great moment in this movie I just liked having him in the movie yeah I like it like if they had just done the scene where he goes to the office and Vince Vaughn's in the in the office next to him and he's like great talk we should do this more often

I think that would have been funny and we could have left it there. But the fact that he has got the third amount of screen time in this entire film is kind of strange. You know what he's like, Amanda? It's like how everyone gets excited about Justin Tucker during Ravens games. Okay. But it's like, you haven't really been that good this year. You just got a kickbox. Yeah. Maybe you're not Justin Tucker anymore. It's kind of an off year, right, Craig? Host of our fantasy football show. Same thing, right? It's not totally Justin Tucker. Craig checked out like 20 minutes ago. Best That Guy Award is...

From Chuck and Buck, Chris Weitz. Oh, yeah. He's one of those guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The oak floors. Red oak floors. You seen Chuck and Buck, Craig? No.

Does Perry Reeves count as a that guy? No, she's Perry Reeves. She's Perry Reeves. Okay. So I had the that guy award going to the I-team non-Carrie Washington division of Stephanie March from Law & Order SVU. Oh, yeah. Jennifer Morrison from House MD. Oh, yeah. And Perry from Entourage. I've saved a member of the I-team for my Dion Waiters award. I forgot to put them in my What's Aged the Best. I like the assembly of that weird crew. That's also like...

Pretty fun idea for a movie is just like the Charlie's Angels squad. Yeah. That's like the Charlie's Angels movie I wanted. Yeah. Yes. And not the one we got where it's like Drew Barrymore doesn't want guns on the set. I'm still mad. I feel like they botched an unbelievable franchise. I know we've argued about this. Yeah, you liked it. I mean, I was like, you know, I was 16. What do you want? Dion Waiters Award. Michelle Monaghan?

One scene, she's got some piercing. She's being super weird. I wrote down the member of the I-team who is administering stitches to Angelina Jolie while she's giving directions. That's just 20 seconds of just like very precise work. Good for her. I have Brody.

Brody. I thought he was like a C+. Yeah. I wanted more from Brody. I just wanted him to be Seth. It's not his fault. They didn't, yeah, they wanted the Brody essence, but they didn't give him material. They didn't give him any lines. It is funny that they're like, you're a Death Cab for Cutie fan, but you're a CIA agent. Yeah. Recasting couch. Who would you put in the Vince Vaughn part? Today or then? Then. It depends on what that role actually is. Is he also an assassin? Who'd own Wilson?

Just other people from wedding packages. What about Bradley Cooper then? Oh, wow. 05 Bradley Cooper. Interesting. A note of anger to the proceedings. Byron Mayo. I'd like to get between Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Maybe get my dad over here. Three-step tab, guys.

Is this too early for Dave Chappelle? It's not, right? 0405 range? We could add him as a comic relief. Oh, yeah. He's in You've Got Mail. That's my pick. Yeah. Dave Chappelle. Who is Mr. and Mrs. Smith now in 2023? Hmm. Well. Didn't they try it? Isn't it ghosted? Isn't it Chris Evans and Anna Darmis?

Oh, interesting. But this is an example that has no juice. I mean, they're trying the other half of the playbook with Glenn Powell and Sidney Sweeney and Anyone But You, which I just can't wait to see. I'm available to see it anytime anyone wants to show it to me. It's supposed to be end of the year. I don't know whether it's moved around. I guess Tom Holland and Zendaya would be the biggest couple couple you could do this with, but it wouldn't augur well for them. And then they'd have to break up on the set and then he would have to start dating who?

Olivia Rodrigo. Tom Holland would have to start dating... Julia Fox. Olivia Rodrigo. Sydney Sweeney. Yes. That's really good. No, Julia Fox isn't famous enough. Well... We're just... I want famous for the third. Who is actually famous now? Olivia Rodrigo. She's not like the only one under 30 who's achieved real fame other than Zendaya. That's true. She's too young. Maybe like Dua Lipa. How old is she? She's like 20. Oh, she's too young. All right. I know that Dua Lipa's...

but is she like that famous? She's pretty famous. She might win an Oscar, but she's pretty famous. I mean, she's like the biggest pop star in the world. One of them. Sydney Sweeney. Isn't it Sydney Sweeney? Yeah, it's Sydney Sweeney. So Sydney Sweeney steals Tom Holland from Zendaya. That'd be pretty good.

That's pretty good. Yeah. I don't know if Tom Holland is famous enough in this. It feels like Chalamet has to be in the Tom. Chalamet has to be dating Zendaya for like five years. None of them are at that level. None of them are at that level. Also, all of them, I know that we're older now, but they don't, they seem like kids. And these seem like adults. Wait, isn't it sort of

like the austin butler kaya gerber alorty situation pit is 40 in this movie like yeah well but i'm just saying in terms of like fame and that is also a real thing that happened well austin but jacob alorty and kaya gerber used to date and he played and then and now she's with austin butler and they both played all this and they give the same quote jacob lord a handsome guy

Yeah. Yeah. Big strapping dude. Six, four. Been on Zoe Simmons' list for a while. Yeah. I mean. On a tall celebrity list. He's in a lot of movies of varying quality this fall, but he's undeniable. I'm not positive he can play anyone other than Jacob Elordi, but we'll see. Isn't it? It's like Gosling, Emma Stone, and Jennifer Lawrence or something. Oh. Wow. Wow.

Oh, dear. That would really be upsetting. Who's Gosling with them? You've got it. Eva Mendes. Eva Mendes. Oh, yeah. Something like that. Gosling and Emma Stone have the chemistry from Crazy Stupid Love and La La Land. They've always seemed like a real couple on screen. Could Angelina Jolie have been in La La Land? No. I can't. I sure can't sing and dance. Yeah, would you ever believe Angelina Jolie is like a struggling actor? Maybe this was the problem. Okay. Half-assed internet research. She could have been in Hunger Games when she was young enough. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Half-assed internet research, though. Simon Kinberg had an idea about a couple of his friends. He heard a couple of his friends went to marriage therapy and thought it sounded aggressive and mercenary and would be a good action film template. And we're off. People of Columbia were not happy. And the president was pissed and words were said. Yeah. I wonder what Doug said back.

I'm surprised Doug didn't start a war with Columbia. Adam Brody's wearing a Fight Club t-shirt in one of the scenes. He's getting interrogated. They took the helicopter shot flying over Bogota

Bogota? Bogota. Sorry, I'm just reading. Bogota. Like you have any sort of hill or forest to sit on. With mispronouncing words? Yeah. Do I do that a lot? I wasn't thinking of the pronunciation. But anyway, they took it from Clear and Present Danger, Chris Ryan favorite. Yeah. And then they just added some CGI. There are 50 drafts of this worked on by people like Terrence Winter. Carrie Fisher.

Akiva Goldsman, Carrie Fisher. Just watched When Harry Met Sally recently. A plus. She's still throwing 99 miles an hour in it. It's so good. So good. The Rolodex at the lunch, A plus. 2007, there was an ABC spinoff series written by Simon, directed by Doug, and it was supposed to be married with children with guns. Jordana Brewster and Martin Henderson were the couple. Did not get picked up. And then they did...

They basically tried to make a sequel without, I guess, probably without, I don't know whether without Angelina and Brad. I think that they talked about it a couple of times but didn't do it. And then it wound up basically becoming Keeping Up with the Joneses, which is Jon Hamm and Gal Gadot. Oh. I'm not going to tell you who had this quote. You'll have to guess. It's about Angelina. I think Brad and I were more uncomfortable because she's such a force to be reckoned with. Occasionally she'd make a comment and both of us would be like, whoa. The interviewer says, a comment like what?

She's just very, she likes to be shocking sexually. Just read any interview she's given. She likes to be that person in the room who's least embarrassed and willing to put it out there. I suggested she should perform the most graphic, crazy sex act I could imagine for the love scene, just to shock her. Like 10 steps beyond anything I'd consider doing in my own life. She starts furring her eyebrows and I'm like, oh, never heard of that one? And she's like, no, actually, I'm just trying to figure out whether I've done that one.

Doug? Yeah. Thanks so much, Doug. Doug quote. Yeah. Doug, your lips are moving again, Doug. Words are coming out of your mouth. Yeah. Anyway, that was Angelina. Good little story from the set. Yeah. Apex Mountain. I think yes for both of them. I think you could say yes for 21st century celebrity culture. Yes, I agree with that. And I think you can say yes for her. For him, yes.

He has a pretty great run through Moneyball. Well, he uses this. Yeah. He becomes probably the most famous actor in the world. So I would say yes. But you could also say Moneyball. There's a couple other arguments. But I think it is for both of them. Vince Vaughn, no. Fighting spy couples? I guess so, but I certainly would not say it was the case for assassins or hitmen. Doug Liman, probably Bourne.

Yeah. Yeah. Although another, another absolutely outrageous behind the scenes story. Adam Brody, you could almost rename Apex Mountain after him because this is season one of OC and this coming out at the same time. Like he was like, this is when I wrote, I thought it could be the next Tom Hanks. I still, I stand by it. He was really good in the River Wild remake. Yeah. Marriage counseling movies. I'm trying to think. Yeah.

I'm going to say no, but I also can't come up with the right answer. And then this is the big one. Rarely do we have big Apex Mountain questions, but is this Apex Mountain for on-set romances? Because I would say it's still probably Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton.

And we, again, we weren't allowed back then, but that seemed like the biggest thing other than the JFK assassination. Right. That ever happened. And it happened, you know, they broke up, they divorced, they got back together. It just sounded amazing. Right. Um, I think it's this one. At least for this modern century, 21st century, allegedly didn't, you know, get consummated on. Yeah. Doug's quote makes me think, you know, pick a knits, um,

There's just a lot of bullets flying and nobody's hitting them ever. Yeah. No, it's true. Especially the last scene. They're in the middle of like basically a giant Home Depot and there's 70 assassins and they're just kind of turning around doing tricks. Yeah. Doesn't add up. It's a little First Blood Part 2 kind of. Nobody's hitting them with one bullet? No? I mean, no, agree. Okay. The Bogota hotel lobby, which seems like we're in this sweltering location. Yeah.

And apparently it's like 9,000 feet above sea level. And there's no way it's warm like that. It's absolutely, apparently absolutely absurd that that they make it seem like they're in like Cuba. Yeah. Uh, any other, any other nitpicks? Uh, I mean, I just think that like the bones of like other versions of the script popping out here and there. So like Keith David is in one shot. He's,

Angelina's boss, I think? Or is he... No, he's Brad Pitt's boss. I got excited when I saw him and then that was it. I think Angela Bassett is the voice of Brad Pitt's boss. And then Keith David is father. Yes. The boss of the IT. Which seems to have like a whole thing, but they've cut it out. And I think...

Personally, for me, as a stickler for facts when it comes to different intelligence agencies, I just would have loved a little bit more on who runs the I-team and who Brad Pitt works for, who they're killing. Do they feel bad about it ever? Is there a moral compunction about murdering people? All great questions. That's it. Okay.

There's like three other movies in this movie and I'm really interested in all the other movies. I would watch all of them. Yeah. The I-Team is such a movie. Even them, honestly, it would be kind of amazing if the whole movie was them on the run with Adam Brody. Yeah. Yeah. Though within the context of the movie, that's sort of like a half-baked. Sure. Yeah. I have one, which is, does Angelina Jolie identify...

that Brad Pitt is her husband because of his pissing stance? Is that... Yes, I think that's the idea. That's the implication? It's the leg kick. It's the leg kick. Do you feel...

Well, I guess this wouldn't really, this doesn't apply to you guys because you're not really, like, I'm wondering whether I could identify my husband from his pissing stance. I would know from the giant wasted wad of toilet paper after a pee from my wife. Because it's been 25 years of arguing about it.

So I would know immediately. She gets a catcher's note going. Because nobody's ever used toilet paper for a pee in my way. Do you think that you could identify like a friend? I guess I don't know enough about urinal culture to understand whether like the stance and the- I definitely don't know that. I think it's absurd. I know my wife's gait. I know how she walks and stuff. So I think that if I saw her through the scope of my sniper rifle, I would be able to tell it was her walking. Okay. Even just from behind? Because he doesn't turn around. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

I would also say that the whole twist of the movie, that Adam Brody's character is bait because these agencies have found out that they are married. Yeah. But the agencies are supposed to be like intelligence agencies, so they never like figure that part out in the six years leading up to this moment. Right. No, yeah, that's a tough one. I mean, aren't they like deep undercover? But are they really? They're going to like...

parties at each other's house, like at neighbors' houses and like at the end of the day, it's like Brad Pitt's always calling the shallow undercover. What if it's like a Bourne thing where they just like answer to, you know, like Brian Cox in a room and like no one else knows about the existence. Right.

I mean, I'm just throwing it out there. How was the I-team sneaking Angelina Jolie's character dinner every night for her to give to Brad? Because he came home every night at 7 as dinner was finished. And they were just bringing her a full meal. They never ran into her. Yeah. I have one more question. Yeah. So the price for Brad and Angelina at the end is $400,000 each. $40,000 to blow up the Home Depot?

Yeah, no. Well, 400K just seemed really low to me for this kind of work. Yeah, I agree. And the facts of the movie and their lifestyle don't really support. You think it's been like 10 million? Yeah. And I'm just like, if that's the pricing scheme, then how are they affording that house? How are they affording those cars, the trips to Aspen? How did they build the house?

So Angelina Jolie would privately build the dummy oven. Yeah, she was like, while my husband's away, I'm getting a secret cabinet for my knives. And then while she's away, he's building the shed that has his whole— So they're just both building this house separately. Yeah, it's a metaphor about how people in a marriage don't communicate. I don't know if you picked that up. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. It is a little bit like the NBA in-season tournament, where it's like, what's the incentive here? And what are the rules? Yeah.

So you think it's unrealistic that the CIA, who was able to kill John F. Kennedy, couldn't get these two? This isn't the CIA. These are independent. Yeah. Is that where you are on that now?

I was reading it. Where I've been for the last 15 years. No, no, no, I know. But, you know, it's like the 60th anniversary, so there have been a lot of pieces. And so I was reading some. Apparently Rob Reiner has a podcast now about it. Yeah. And now one of the Secret Service agents has come out against a lot of the conspiracy theories surrounding it. And I just wanted to check in with where you guys are. Steadfast in my beliefs. The CIA killed him. It was the CIA with the help of the. Redact all the documents and prove me wrong. Okay. How about that?

I'm really glad I asked. Wow, there are 40,000 documents that we still can't read. I'm really glad I asked. Sequel, prequel. This is brought to you by Home Depot. Actually, we do need to take one more break.

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Like not happening? So they said, here's what we have. Yeah. Amazon, Donald Glover, 2022 COVID stops, creative differences with Glover, Phoebe leaves limbo. That's where we are. No, my air sky and took the role. Oh, that's right. Oh, my air sky. Are they officially making it now? They were. I don't believe it. Okay.

Show me the redacted documents, Amazon. Angie said in 2010, I'm calling her Angie now. Okay. I'm sure she appreciates that. She said Pitt and her wanted to do a sequel, kicked the tires on it, couldn't get the story. Would have been a good career move, I think, for both of them. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Catherine Hahn, Steve Buscemi, Sam Jackson, JT Walsh, Philip Baker Hall, or Byron Mayo?

What do you got, Chris? I had Katherine Hahn on the I-team. Oh, yeah. That would have been really nice. I did note that Angelina drinks an entire bottle of scotch that night at the I-team headquarters, like an entire bottle.

And I just was wondering if like Wayne Jenkins walked in on her when she was doing that. And he goes, God damn, Jane. I didn't know I was married to Charles Bukowski. You took down a whole bottle of Johnny Red and a motherfucking glass of burgundy. You better dry out. You're going to have cirrhosis a long fucking time, big girl.

That was really good. I've never been here for one of those. Because I knew that we only get to do it with Amanda very often, so I felt like I had to dial it up. I thought for sure Byron was going to get in on that one. What if Byron was the couple's counselor? Just one Oscar. Who gets it? Doug's publicist. Yeah.

Can you imagine if that person's Blackberry in 2005? He said, what? I would go Jolie because I think she's better than Pitt in this. They're both good, but I actually think she's really good in this movie. He's so good in this, but Chris is right that he's just like, he's doing rusty. He's just being Brad Pitt. Yeah. I've seen him play this part 10 times. She is like, it's a little War of the Roses, Kathleen Turner-ish, like some of the stuff she's doing. I just think she's really good. I'm good with that. Probably unanswerable questions.

How do you install a weapons stove? How do you go about doing this? How many people in the world would know how to do it? I think you'd be surprised. Well, I think you got to hope that they're on the I-team. Just seems really complicated.

As somebody who just moved into a house and it's hard to do anything. For sure. And you'd be like, hey, is the weapon stove done yet? It's like, ah, I talked to Bob. Yeah. Yeah, we're missing like three knives, but he's thinking like Wednesday. And it's like, hey, what happened on Wednesday? His knife shelf guy is out of town. Oh, Bob got COVID. He can't. It's going to be two weeks from now. And then it's like, fucking A, I don't have my weapon stove. I don't think it's cheap. Definitely not cheap. Any other unanswerables? Well, yeah.

Angelina Jolie works out of a skyscraper with a team of beautiful women attending to her every need. And Brad Pitt works in a shitty garage with an old woman and Vince Vaughn. Yeah. Yeah.

And does that speak to the standing of those two agencies at the moment? So he's at the shittier age. Yeah. Like, is he like, is that like a mom and pop store that he's running? They say that, you know, because they do that, like, what's your number thing? But it's number of kills. And he's had like 50 and she's had 312. Yeah. So, yeah. So she was the better assassin. Yeah. And she definitely has more resources. Yeah. Yeah.

Best double feature choice with this movie. What do you have? This one's for Chris Ryan. That's a duplicity. Directed by Tony Gilroy, which is another movie about, I guess they're a couple and they're spies. Assassinations are not their primary focus. Stars Clive Owen and Julia Roberts. And this is like my number one favorite.

I wish that everybody involved in the movie would just try again. Make the movie again. Make the movie again with the same script, the same people. They could probably do it with the same cast. Yeah, the same cast. It's like, it doesn't quite gel, but it's really fun. And it has a lot of the chemistry and the ideas. You got TG. My boy. Yeah. Proof of life, Tony. I have a gross point blank. It's my double feature. Hmm.

I had the sequel where they're just saddened by the sea. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I want to live the full experience. I want to get to, like, because we're getting into the end of the relationship. Yeah. The Andy and Red Zawantney Award, what happened the next day? I have, they have six kids and a bitter divorce. Jesus. Yeah. What do you guys have? Congressional hearings. They're put in Leavenworth for the rest of their natural lives for blowing up Home Depot. Yeah.

What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? I like the tracksuits. I would take those. So the house is off the table. No, you can take the house. I could have the Pasadena house? He gets mad. He always gets mad when I'm like, okay, but can I have the house? He gets mad when I'm like, can I have the car? But they blow up the house. It blows up. It's gone. Yeah. There is no house. There is no market. I mean, that's fair. But the house, or I would take her Mercedes station wagon.

Oh, that is a nice air of the Mercedes station. Just like level up in my mom life. I would take the secret knife shelf inside the oven. Oh, that's a great, that's the right call. Coach Finstock Award, best life lesson. Don't let your husband make a movie with Angelina Jolie in the mid-2000s. Yeah. Can't beat that. Yeah, that's good. Who won the movie? Can it be Brangelina? Is that cheating? Well, you have to pick between them. You can say Brangelina.

Like, Rosilla said Boston for the tag. Yeah, I think the concept of Brangelita and this, you know, albeit a bittersweet ending, this arrangement. I have a controversial pick. You're going to say Aniston? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, you are. Oh. That's why you're fucking you. Aniston wins this movie. Yeah. 20 years later, still going. Getting a million dollars an episode for a fucking morning show. Getting filmed from only three angles. An incredible wardrobe that I'm sure she gets to take home. Just taking 12 days to film a sex scene where she's lying on top of Jon Hamm with perfectly... She looks beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. I think she's the winner. I think it might be Pitt.

Because he could be the villain in all of this and he emerges Yeah, he emerges as like, oh, he's, you can't blame Pitt, he's just this dumb guy Love is hard And then this kick starts like an amazing run Maybe it was Pitt, Pitt's the right answer Okay Craig, what'd you think?

I had seen this movie. I feel like everybody has the same opinion about this movie. It's like, yeah, it's really fun to watch. It's a good movie. It's no one's favorite movie ever. But like,

The one thing Liz and I were struck by watching this again was just like how much weight it felt like it had and how like power of the celebrity in the moment of 2005 is just unlike anything we have now. And we were just like, man, this felt like such a moment and it was so important. And I just, I hope we're happy now with social media. Amen, Craig.

Are we happy that we get to see people walking every single day to get coffee? Yeah. Are the Ben Affleck memes worth it? Yeah. We could have been having Mr. and Mrs. Smith's every three, four, five years. Monoculture would be back, but instead we're watching whatever celebrity does. Well, you made me think of another piece of that with we just have too many celebrities now.

So the whole concept of having important celebrities dating each other, now there's like 10 million of them. Like fucking, there's a million Jake Paul, Logan Paul, Troyden, all those people on top of all the TikTok. Yeah. I mean, there's no, the reason why Leo is still the coolest movie star is because nobody knows anything about him. Yeah. And it's why I appreciate that like Emma Stone and Jennifer Lawrence, they don't do social media. And a lot of stars are starting to do that because it actually provides some mystery. You want to see them on screen because you don't see them anywhere else. Right.

You know I agree with that one. Leo's the one who figured it out. That is true. Like when that clip came out of his birthday party, it was shocking because it was like, oh my God, Leo. Yeah. What is this? I identified really deeply with what he did. I would definitely do that. Yeah, but how did he not have the cameras locked down? I mean, that's like, that's Leo 101. Or was he like, you know what? I've always wanted to rap Dwick. I want everybody to know it. Thanks for joining us on How Much Did This Movie Make Month?

Thanks, man. And thanks, Chris. That was produced by Craig Horlbeck. Good to see everybody. We'll see you next week. Happy Thanksgiving. Oh, and have a great happy Thanksgiving.