‘Jerry Maguire’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Van Lathan
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It was, we were all terrified what was going to happen with Van to put him on a live YouTube, but it all worked out. It worked out great. You're about to listen to it now. Here we go. On December 13th, Tom Cruise is sports agent, Jerry Maguire. What can I do for you, Rod? What can I do for you? Show me the money. Oh,

Say it with me one time, Jerry. Show me the money. You can do better than that, Jerry. I want you to say it with me then, brother. Show me the money! Louder. Show me the money! Congratulations, you're still my agent. Jerry Maguire, rated R, opens December 13th. We're live on YouTube. Sean Fennessey, Sheriff Van Lathan.

Chris Ryan. Hi. We're doing Jerry Maguire, which we did way back when, before we even had a rewatchables feed. Yeah. We just started test driving movie podcast, me and CR, on my podcast. And we did a Jerry Maguire podcast that had no categories. We're redoing it. I think it's been how many years now since the movie? Almost 28? Since it was 95, right? Yeah. Lots to discuss. 96. Sports movie or rom-com? Pick one.

Uh, do I have to? Yeah. Uh, I would say rom-com. What do you think? I would say rom-com, but I kind of think it's neither. Sports movie, because that's where I have started to gravitate towards. Like, the parts about sports in this movie are what I, like, love now. I think it's both. I think it's the most both of any sports movie slash rom-com we've had.

But when we talked about this the last time, I think it's probably slightly more rom-com just because you could have done all this with movies instead of sports. And it's basically the same movie. Oh, if he's like a film director or something like that. Yeah. Or like Cuba Gooding's character is just like an actor, an up and coming rapper or something like that. Oh, okay. We just go. It could have been in different worlds with the same kind of bones. Or if Jerry owned a record label.

Yeah. He was trying to get back to the essence of hip hop. He's like, I'm Mr. Black People. I'm Mr. Black People. Jerry owned the record label. And Rod was like the one artist that brought him back. You know what I mean? You're spoiling the all black cast concept, I feel like. It's true. But to me, this movie is Bo Jackson. It does both. It's one of the best sports movies the last 30 years, but it's also probably one of the best rom-coms. And it's one of the great date movies of all time.

And it hits all of these different lanes in the best ways with our guy, Tom Cruise. Yeah, I'm not... I like what Van said, though. I feel like it's maybe more of an existential crisis movie than a rom-com or a sports movie. Explain. Well...

You know, Cameron Crowe said that he wanted to make a movie about relationships and marriages, that that was the original impetus for the movie. And he started thinking about the framework for the movie, and he'd never seen a movie set in the world of sports agenting and like high-powered sports world like this. So he thought it would be a good fit for it. But what you see is that it's not so much the relationships that he's interested in. It's the guy who feels like a stand-in for him, a kind of creative person who is sucked into a big world of power.

who's bending his ethics and then like reaches a point almost at midlife where he's like, why am I doing this? I'm not happy. This isn't what I want to be or what I believe in. I have to change the way I do everything. Not CR. Not CR. Okay.

Have you ever had a McGuire moment? Have I ever had like a midlife crisis where I was like, I'm not potting the right way? Fewer pods, less money. I was worried when he came back from Norway. I didn't know if that was going to happen. Fewer pods, less money. Fewer pods. Fewer pods, less money. Don't do two pods in one day. Yeah, I can't do Philly special. It's just diluting air, you know? You know, I actually saw this on a date.

I did. It was 97. Paulette Gray. I saw it on a date. Was that her name? That was her name. Okay. Yeah. I ignored her for the rest of the night. Paulette, if you're watching. Oh, she probably is. Shout out to Paulette. I ignored her for the rest of the night. I was so... I think it's a bad day movie. To me, I think... It's too intense? The movie... I was still formulating my views on like not just... I had all my...

pseudo political views and my artistic views but the movie just made me think about people in a way that i hadn't really thought about them before like even athletes in a way that i was like oh my god so you could be in the nfl and still be striving to be something and be insecure about all of these things in your life and i was like there's not a level of success where you get to and then oh my god it's just it just stops so i was coming out and she was like i remember walking uh

Segan Lane, like I'm walking out and she's like, the movie really got to you, didn't it? I was like, leave me alone. I'm thinking about the next 20 years of my life. Was there a second date? We ended up being together for a long time. What happened to you guys? I think this is a belief movie almost more than a sports movie rom-com because ultimately it's like Rod Tidwell and his family believing in Jerry.

And it's Dorothy Boyd believing in Jerry. And that's it. And those people see something in him, even though there's not a lot to see because he's been, his career has been torpedoed, but they see something, they see a belief, they see something they don't want to give up on. Right. Which is the ultimate Tom Cruise part. Cause this is what he specializes in. This is the cruisiest Tom Cruise movie we've ever had. Yeah. And we're going to get into the cruising Hanks piece, but like the, the way in which he embodies this guy's, uh,

Frankly, at times when you're watching it, it's like mania. You know what I mean? It's like by the first... I think he's kind of had his epiphany within the first six minutes of the movie. And then he stays in this kind of heightened frequency of...

and sensitivity and vulnerability and just racing around trying to make everything work for the entire film. It's like it's such an incredible... In a way, it is an action scene unto itself. It's just the movie. It's Tom Cruise emoting for two hours. Yeah, and he has to learn to believe in them as much. He has to learn to believe in Rod. He has to learn to believe in Dorothy. And then he has to learn to believe in himself. The whole movie is about him falling into what he really is.

We don't get to see this whole past with his father. When he sits down and he talks to Ray, the kid, he wants to talk to Ray about his dad. He's reaching back for something. He doesn't really know who he is. And so as much as those people have to get into what he's becoming, he has to also ground himself in who they are. It's really a perfectly emotional film. Jerry Maguire, Charlie Babbitt, Joel Goodson, Daniel Caffey, Pete Mitchell.

That's the Mount Rushmore, but there's only four spots. Who are you bumping? Say the names again. McGuire, Charlie Babbitt, Joel Goodson, Daniel Caffey, Pete Mitchell. Ethan from Mission Impossible is not here. I think I take issue with this entire construction. What's wrong with it? Well, it's related to what you're saying about this. I'm saying cruisy as cruise parts. But I don't... Okay, this is personal preference. Yeah. I don't care about...

Pete Mitchell the same way that I care about the vulnerable Tom Cruise characters. I don't, my favorite Cruise, what I think is the real Cruise, the real Cruise movie persona is the guy who looks like he has everything and is dying inside. The

The guy from Magnolia, the guy from Eyes Wide Shut, the guy from Risky Business is like that. Joel Goodson is like that. The guy from Minority Report, too. Minority Report, The Color of Money, The Firm. Rock of Ages. I was about to say, you guys never saw Oblivion? You guys never saw... Pure action hero, I like and I enjoy. I love Top Gun. I love the Mission Impossible movies. But his best performances are the ones where you're like...

what is wrong with that guy? He should be so happy and he's not happy. And that's what this movie is about. It's a guy who should be so happy and for some reason there's something going on inside him. He can't figure it out. That's why we love Last Samurai. That's the guy who's got it all. It's like Valkyrie. The guy's missing it out. Yeah. Um...

See, we get in this movie, the cruise checklist includes, we get sprinting cruise. Hey, is there a dark airport? Yeah. Fantastic. We get a hard crying cruise.

And we also get trying not to cry. Tom Cruise. We get sloppy drinking Tom Cruise. Drunk Cruise. Yeah. Love nothing better than, Cruise has definitely never tried alcohol in his life. Especially he has not tied one on all day long at an airport lounge. Busting balls overconfident Tom Cruise. Overconfident.

I can do anything Tom Cruise. And then rock bottom cruise. Completely overwhelmed Tom Cruise. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I can't do anything Tom Cruise. I've surrendered all of my good lookingness and my guile to the world. I like that cruise the best. Can you do the Tom Cruise I'm trying not to cry face? Yeah.

Where it's squintier. That's more like the Dorothy boy. Can you do it, Sean? You try it. I'm not a performer in that way. Also, these cameras can never pick up the nuance. I know. He does the... I mean, the best one ever is Meg Ryan in Top Gun saying how. What did he do? He's like...

He's about to explode with emotion. But he has a good one here at the end when Rod's giving the, when he's giving the press conference after the big touchdown. Yeah, good point. And he's like, Yeah. He's just choking down. The Magnolia one is when he's like, He's got both hands together. Just some great ones. This is a great cruise stretch. We've talked about it before. Days of Thunder, Far and Away, Few Good Men, The Firm, Interview with the Vampire, Mission Impossible.

And then Jerry Maguire, and he's the biggest star in the world and get Stanley Kubrick for the next three years. You say that like, it's a bad thing. It's a good thing at a bad thing. Cause he wasn't making movies for three years. And it was basically like somebody be like Yoko just disappearing from the NBA for three years after winning three MVPs and becoming advanced favorite player.

And just be like, guys, I'm going to shoot. How long did we last? We lasted 11 minutes. 11 minutes before the glazing began. I'm going to go shoot a movie with Stanley Kubrick. Before we go. It's like, where'd Jokic go? He's just gone. He'll be back in three years. He's in London with his wife filming with Stanley. He really was never the same. No. I like a lot of the movies in the 2000s. He's still my favorite. But every part that he has taken since that movie, you're like,

Why is he doing that? Is he okay? What did Stanley do to you? Don't you think that he just got sick of being America's sweetheart Tom Cruise? He wanted to be a little edger. He wanted to go a little bit different. He wanted to step outside of it and do some new shit. And he thought working with that type of auteur would bring that to him. Definitely. Yeah. I mean, even Vanilla Sky's like that. Yeah, it's the same thing. It's an odd, weird, crazy movie. Then he jumped on the couch and his world changed. That was it. Got super weird.

There's some good on the sports movie front here. Some really good supplemental characters. Yeah. That's a Cameron Crowe specialty. Just like these people that pop in and out who have these really distinct, almost famous as this too, so to say anything. Singles has it. It's people that'll just have one scene or two scenes. Kush, the idiot QB, who's in three scenes total. His conniving dad. Bob Sugars in...

Maybe three and a half scenes. But a super important character. It looms over the whole movie. Kelly Preston is basically in two scenes, maybe three. Glenn Frey as Arizona's GM. Only in a couple. Rod's jealous brother. T.P. Yeah. Aries Spears. Only in a couple. Roy Firestone. But he has a wig just grabbing. Also looms over the film. Firestone. Ominously. Firestone.

Firestone's playing himself. Maybe it wasn't Cooper. They were just like, Roy, you just cook. You left out Kajana Carter. He's in, he was in the movie. Wayne Fonz. Yeah. Brent Perry. Yeah. But they do a good job and I do feel like there's a before and after with this movie, with sports movies where there's the before movie, that rocky blueprint. It starts to shift with Ron Shelton

And then right here, it really shifts. Yeah, and I think what people wanted was a little bit more of an inside look at sports rather than just the underdog David and Goliath story. Is that what you wanted? Yeah, I mean, like this, Moneyball, these are the kind of movies I love, which are like the just sort of taking sports as... Hardball. A workplace or as like a framework for any other kind of movie. Hardball. Yeah.

It's also not a movie. It's not really a movie about athletes. You know, it's about the barnacles that attach themselves to athletes, the world behind the world. It's not a movie about athletes. And yet, Rod Tidwell, I've made this case, I think is the best athlete character in the history of sports movies. Have you made that case? He's number one for me. He's my favorite.

Interesting. When he comes in, there had just never been a character quite like this. And he's fully developed. He's pieces of different people who were in sports in the mid-90s, but not a sticky character version of them, but this fully developed...

person with a family. I just like them. It's actually... Oh, go ahead. No, you go ahead. It's actually a risky character if you do it wrong, right? Totally. So if you do the character wrong, it looks like a caricature of the contemporary black male athlete. If you get any of the notes wrong there, it looks like you're trying to say something about how shallow they are, about how materialistic they are. But Rod has enough levels to where...

that just doesn't hold water. He is a devoted family man. Even when he's talking about why he wants to get paid, he's not talking about, man, I need a car, I need this. No, he's like, I got five years left. I got five years left. There's ants in my crib. I don't have security. I've had 32 concussions. Yeah, the whole nine. So if you do the role wrong...

You could get think-piece in Essence and Ebony magazine for like months after that. I'm just being for real. No, I'm just trying to imagine like the viral Essence or Ebony monthly column that would take down Titwell. Rod Titwell. The blackening. You know what I mean? But the character, really when you get to it at the end, it's just like a really vulnerable family guy. You love him. Yeah. I mean, there's been some other great ones. Like I always thought Apollo Creed was an unbelievable character.

The whole movies went on. Yeah. Well, even in the first one where he's doing a Muhammad Ali, but he had the charisma and you really bought that this guy was the heavyweight champion in the world. But this is the most developed of anyone we had up to this point. I think it's what Crowe does best.

Best. And to some extent, you can see how much he learned from James L. Brooks, who obviously played a part in this movie. All over this movie. But it's finding the universal and the specific. This movie is so specific. It's about a slot receiver for the Arizona Cardinals and his agent who's having a nervous breakdown and a single mother who's his assistant slash life partner. Yeah.

And all of the stuff that's happening with the divorced women's group and his mission statement and his relationship to his father and Ray and all this stuff is so specific. But like the more and more specific it gets, the more you're like,

I see myself in this. And that's like Crowe's gift. It's like Lloyd Dobler is such a specific creation, but somehow became an iconic teenager. Do you know what I mean? Even though not everybody was Lloyd Dobler growing up, you kind of recognize something true in it. And that's what he does in this movie that's so amazing. It's also the movie that Crews saw that made him say, I want to work with that guy, which leads to this two-movie collaboration. Right. There's the little pieces, like his family watching the games and he...

He points to the TV at one point and they do that stuff. It's just like there's a lot of little stuff in here that is what happens if you write a script. He wrote the script 20... He did 20 versions of the script, right? And I think each version he does, he's deepening it, deepening it, deepening it, making that a real thing. You know what else, man? This is going to sound so minuscule, but...

Rod gets hurt. We're all holding our breath. Even in movie theater, we're holding our breath. Somehow we know he's going to get up, but still, you never know, right? And his brother goes, see, I told you he was too smart for the NFL. That's so real. Yeah. The hate inside of your group. Right. Like, even if you get to somebody, your homeboy's in the NBA, he's like, man, before he hit his growth spurt, I used to cook this motherfucker. Like, the whole night when he said, for some reason, that right there,

Now that I've got some age on me, that's so accurate that he would have said something like that and then the wife would have jumped on him. TP was so before his time. He was, man. He was like Nick Wright. He was like a takesman in the making. Nick Wright. It just been like, Jokic is over. Well, they said the story of the Cupid getting the part was he was like one of the first people they auditioned and he crushed it.

And came in and just was basically became the guy and even like took his, took his clothes off to, to do the scene with Cruz. But then they auditioned a bunch of people after him. And he was so good in the audition. Like they had Jamie Foxx and they were like, Jamie Foxx would have been a good Rod Tidwell.

But none of them could shake the cue. They made this brother take his clothes off in the audition. No, he took them off. He asked. That was in the research. I didn't want to hear that, man. It's commitment to a role. Nah, dog. Hell nah. He's like, can I take my pants off? Nah. You think it was James L. Brooks who asked him specifically? We passed that. It's been triggered. That's it, man. I got to come back into it. You just got me on Higher Learning, man. I got to get back to rewatching this, man. So this comes out in 96.

He got games 97. Any given Sunday is 99. Like, now we're moving into the 2.0 version of sports movies officially, I think. Bull Durham starts it. Probably eight men out, Bull Durham in the late 80s. But this is like the full realization. But Major League's kind of the old school Rocky recipe. Yeah, that's 89. Vestige of Hoosiers and kind of. But we're off, really, with this movie. Dorothy Boyd, Sean, a Hollywood tradition, the we are discovering this actress in real time part.

Not those of us who were holding tightly to our Empire Records stock. Oh my God. That's right. And our Texas Chainsaw Massacre 4 stock as well. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. We were on the train. Is that Connie in that one? He is, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is like...

I was just rewatching the Siskel and Ebert four minute review of this movie. And their takeaway is like, this movie is pretty good. It's overstuffed. But let me tell you, Renee Zellweger, she's something special, which of course is like they soft pedaled one of the great movies of the 1990s. Yeah. But it was undeniable that they had hit on something with her. Yeah. I was thinking like Julia and Pretty Woman, but she had been in Mystic Pizza. She'd been on Miami Vice. But then Pretty Woman is when it blows up. Right. Sandra Bullock and Speed.

She'd already been in Love Potion, Number 9, and some other ones. Marissa Tomei, we had a history with her. And sometimes this just happens. If they had cast somebody who we had history with, I'm not sure it's the same movie totally. Yeah, they almost did. Sandra Bullock would have been awesome in this movie.

But she would have still been Sandra Bullock. She skipped a couple steps when the movie dropped because there were some young what? Actresses around the time that were This is the rewatchables. This is not higher learning. I'm still mad about being naked. Yeah, that were this was in the throes of Liv Tyler who was in Empire Records with her. It's like a lot of the young ones coming up and she kind of shot past them once the movie went so major. Who are you rooting for in this movie? Dorothy Boyd or Jerry Maguire? I have to choose? Yeah.

I don't think that's the point of the film. Jerry Maguire, I guess? I feel like this is Dorothy Boyd. One of the weird things about this movie that works is it flips it so that you actually want her to be the one that's happy in the end, right? When she breaks up with him, it's like, what, 20 minutes ago in the movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And she's like, I did this. I felt like I was getting a break on a used car. And you're like, goddamn, no.

Dorothy, you're just a good person. I really hope this works out either way, you and your strange kid. I hope this happens for both of you. I was rewatching this movie on Mother's Day weekend with my wife, and she pulled a Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hardcore, where she was like, Dorothy Boyd sucks. This character sucks. Everything she says about Jerry is not believable. Why is she so obsessed with this guy who is a loser? Which is kind of a great read of the movie.

I like this. Jerry. This is good. It's kind of a loser. I know. And she's not usually one to go for a hot take. She was like, this always pissed me off about this movie is like the scene where she's talking to Bonnie Hunt the morning after. Yeah. And she's like, I just love him. I love him like that. She's like, that's bullshit, which I, you know, I never saw it that way.

So it's like, I think that there's a little element of like, she's lived way too much for her years. She says it. She says she's the oldest 26-year-old. Yeah. She's also overwhelmed by him. She's looking at, in first class, and she goes, it's not just a better meal, it's a better life, which is wrong. It's a better everything else, by the way, Dorothy. I had that later. Yeah, it's like, it's not just a better meal. Dorothy, get your money up. Because there's a lot...

There's a lot. They just care about you more as a human. But anyway. They do. When you're sitting back in the back of the plane, they give a fuck less about you. Yeah. Here's your cheese plate. Hey, Mr. Latham, would you like a mimosa? Cheese plate? You should be so lucky. You have to pay for it. All right. This is way really bad. But with her, she's just so overwhelmed by everything about him that at the beginning,

It is slightly annoying. But once she gets into who he really is, and once he's been kind of cut down the size a little bit, then he starts to need her more than she needs him. And that's why you can't say who won. They don't win unless they have each other. Yeah.

Julia Libman, our friend who we've worked with forever, is probably watching this and is probably still sobbing about your wife's take. She might be texting Eileen right now. I think Dorothy Boy is one of our favorite characters in any movie. She's great. Maybe that would be the follow-up pod. She's the idealist of the movie, right? It's a movie about a deeply cynical world and deeply cynical people. And she's the person who you're like, we

there's a reason to go forward. Like, there's a reason to believe in love, to believe in this mission that Tom has. To believe that you can care about people. Like, yeah. Like, you think Jerry's the anti-Bob sugar, but really Dorothy Boyd's the anti-Bob sugar. She is. She's the ballast behind him. It's just really hard to believe, like, especially, like, being older now, it's like, if I was like, guess what, honey? I wrote a 25-page memo to Bill about Les Pods.

fewer bots, less money. And we're leaving. Sean was applauding. Sean would be on the phone with Andy being like, you're the man.

I think that she would have some issues with it, you know? Especially if I didn't have the health benefits all lined up. I'm so excited to host The Watch when you get fired. I can't wait. It's going to be sick. I've been circling it for a while. My question is this. When you fire him, who is the Bob Sugar that you sent in to deliver the fire? It's him. It's Sean. It's got to be Sean? Yeah. I'm here to fire you. You should say something. You should say something. This is happening. It's happening. It's happening. You got to do it.

You said it yourself. Think about me. Jay Moore has never been better. Lip Nikki. Jay Lip. I just love that you say it like Aaron Gordon. Jay Lip.

One of my favorite kid performances ever. I watched this with my daughter and her boyfriend a month ago and we decided we were going to do this for library watchables. And they were just like in awe of how good the kid is. You three decided that? They were just like, where did this kid, what happened to him? Was he in more stuff? This kid should have been the biggest star in the world. And I was like, nah, that was it for him. He's A+++. It's so good. Every moment he's in the movie is an A+. Him and Cruise together are also like all-time adult kid acting pair. So apparently they ad-libbed a lot of that.

They just let the cameras roll with Tom Cruise pretending he was drunk. The fucking zoo is closed is one of the great things anyone has ever said to a child. So I'll give you Kramer vs. Kramer kid we did with Nicky. We did Dakota and Man on Fire. We did Henry Thomas. Henry Thomas and E.T. Dakota and E.F.L.I.Z.E.R. 3. Macaulay and Home Alone. Haley Joel Osment's Sixth Sense.

the only great little kid performance of do we haven't done yet abigail breslin little miss sunshine because none of you will do that movie with me i'm the only one that likes it don't recall being asked and drew barrymore in irreconcilable differences which is a movie that no longer exists those rare movies from the 80s that are just gone oh yeah like they're just they're gone like eddie and the cruisers

- That one's, we catch that on Turner Classic movies. - Turner Classic showed it like twice. Now it's gone again. It's just history. I taped it too. - Wait, I never saw Eddie and the Cruisers. You know what I'm confusing it for? Do you remember the movie about- - Cruisin'? - No. - Eddie and the Cruising would be a great- - Eddie and the Cruising is a good mashup. - Dual sequel? - Yeah. - I'm confusing it with this movie, and nobody's gonna have seen this movie, about this guy who was like a biker from the 50s, and he was playing chicken,

And he died. And then he went to heaven and he came down as a ghost to like help his son be cool. Don't remember that movie. You guys never saw this? Gosh. It's tingling. It's like Heaven Can Wait, but with bikes. It's the Heavenly Kid. Oh, I remember the name. I don't know if I watched it. It's okay. It's the Heavenly Kid. I'm glad you're back. You thought that was Eddie and the Cruisers. I've never seen Eddie and the Cruisers. Never seen it.

Any Lipnicki thoughts or should we move on? He's not doing the thing that a lot of those actors that you talked about are doing in the movie, though. Like, Haley Joel Osment is the center of the sixth sense. Like, he's just the pixie dust. He's the sprinkler. Every time he comes in, it's just like, be cute, be funny. So we don't know if Lipnicki could withstand, like, Tibbs minutes. That's right. Yeah. He's like an Alec Burks. See what happens. You will fall, Lipnicki. What the? Stay out there, Lipnicki! Crows in a stretch of Say Anything single is Jerry Maguire almost famous.

He's out of his mind right now. He's going nuts. But he's coming off of people saying singles was a failure, even though we love it.

Really? Yeah, so his mentality is like, this is my chance. Like, I have to do something that lasts. I don't know. The singles wasn't a big deal at the time. No. It was popular, but it didn't make it. It became cult movie almost immediately, but it didn't do well. And then people who were like into that music were like, didn't quite capture it, you know? Yeah, too late. Was in love with the movie from the first frame. Always loved it. Didn't really, I guess I was too young to be following the process. He also makes movies that like, it's amazing to be 14 to see his movies. You know, like if you're younger when you see his stuff, it's so, so...

idealistic and so exciting. And so it seems so genuine. Like he seems like a, like a lot of filmmakers don't, you know, they're like, I'm trying to just make a cool movie that is successful. And it's with him. I don't know. There's an authenticity that comes across with his writing that is very, very hard to define. I meant to say this when we're talking about Zellweger, the, I mean that famous scene when the Bruce Springsteen song comes in, when Jerry's hugging and they cut and he just stays on her face. That's like the Cameron Crowe. He really is good at milking, um,

somebody's face expression um doesn't almost famous over and over again with a little kid uh what's his name patrick fusion yeah what's the what's his name william miller yeah just sometimes just staring at people and does it with kate hudson he's just good at lingering on people in the right way externalist he's good lingerer he's an observationalist yeah he's like he's he's the person who's seeing life play out you know i remember one of the biggest reactions

in the theater to the movie, and obviously people were going crazy, show me the money and stuff like that, is when he's all fucked up. He comes back and he tells her, I just broke up with Avery. And he turns away from the camera and she goes,

Right, right. Everybody just, you feel her so much in that moment. You know that that's a gift that she couldn't have even thought to ask for. You know who didn't feel her? Sean's wife. I swear this is true. During that scene, I was marveling just like you were. And I was like, I rewound it. I was like, I mean, you have to watch Zellweger in this scene. This is so great. And she looked at it and she was like, nah.

What? I don't know. She wasn't feeling the desperation. I don't know what it was. She's like Perk with Jason Tatum. Nah, I'm not seeing it. Renee Zellweger has to step up. Crow went on a run of Billy Wilder movies. Sean, I'm going to give you 30 seconds to talk about Billy Wilder. 30 seconds on the clock now.

writer, director, immigrant who came from Europe during war tour in World War II, who basically redefined the same way that the new Hollywood redefined movies. He redefined movies in the 40s and 50s by having like a slightly more cynical but emotional bent to his rom-com war movie detective movies. He's a legend and clear inspiration for Cameron Crowe, who wanted to cast him in this movie

But he declined as the famed agent. Yeah, a lot of the research on this movie is just Cameron Crowe and Cruise trying to convince Billy Wilder to be the Dickie Fox character for months and months. And he just was like, fuck off, guys. He was really inspired by The Apartment, a movie that came out in 1960 with Jack Lemmon.

a very young, not crazy yet, Shirley MacLaine. And who became a Dorothy Boyd thing. Crowe said, quote, Jim Brooks handed me this photo of a sports agent named Gary Wichard with Brian Bosworth, a fun picture of these two guys, one clearly the business, the other the brawn. And he said, look at this relationship between these guys. What do you think about that kind of story in this world? Meaning like, can you dive into this photo? And the movie eventually became inspired by an agent named Lee Steinberg.

who had an ex-partner try to lure away a bunch of his clients. Drew Rosenbaum, who was a big agent back in the 90s. Drew Rosenbaum, sorry. He still is a huge agent. Yeah, but he was on the rise in the 90s. He's the Bob Sugar. And then the memo. Drew would love to hear that. The memo was based on Jeffrey Katzenberg. Your boy Katzenberg. 1991, Disney. I was just reading that. Wrote a 28-page memo that kind of backfired.

For him? Yeah. He made it. It worked out. He made out pretty good. I'm saying for Disney. Well, Jerry Maguire made it on his team. He got Rod Tidwell. $1.2 million. For Katzenberg, DreamWorks was his Rod Tidwell. Yeah, pretty much. So those were the genesis and it kept going. And it's this verse almost famous for me for Crowe.

I probably have seen Almost Famous more times, but I love both movies. But I think this one, higher degree of difficulty only because Almost Famous was so personal and autobiographical. And this is just, he's starting from scratch and creating everybody in it. And also like, we all love sports. Such a high bar with a sports movie where I'm just ready to get mad and nitpick and just go nuts. Oh, you did this. Oh, you fucked that up. And you did a good job. Yeah. Classic, better favorite. Almost Famous is better than this movie. This is my favorite movie that he's made. Actually,

My favorite movie they made actually might be singles, but Almost Famous is probably better. Who's better famous, Jokic and Embiid? Get out of here, man. Both down. Written and directed by Cameron Crowe, produced by Jim Brooks, director of photography, my guy. Janusz Kaminski. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

a parent when in uh zoe's class when i was a kid who did a giant photo essay of like our first grade thing which i guarantee was the greatest photo essay anyone's ever had in like a first or second grade class nominated for five oscars cuba goody wins best supporting actor i sent you the oscar speech they fucking played his ass off in 30 seconds god i love you

Hallelujah. Thank you, Father God, for putting me through what you put me through, but I'm here and I'm happy. I just want to, oh, here we go. Okay, the studio, I love you, and Cameron Crowe and Tom Cruise, brother, I love you, man. Derek Rose, Sean Settles, Keith Butler, all my behind-the-scenes crew, I love you. You did a great job when we made the movie. Everybody involved.

Unbelievable. He barely started. There was an argument about this in Van's 11th grade English class. That he didn't get enough time? Mrs. Smith, wherever she is right now. Shout out to Mrs. Smith. She with Paulette somewhere? Might be. Mrs. Smith said that he shouldn't have won.

Because the role was just an over-the-top minstrel show. Mrs. Smith was white. And I remember going, what? And she was like, yeah. And you see the way he acted when he won? He got up there and he did the whole thing. That just shows you that that's not acting. That's not whatever. And I remember I looked at Mrs. Smith and I went, you're a racist. Is her name actually Mrs. Smith? Her name was actually Mrs. Smith. And she was like, get out, Van.

And she gave me the slip. I was walking to the office and I never took it because I was too afraid because she kicked me out of the class. And I stayed around the whole day. And then she I found her later on. She was like, why did you call me that in front of the whole class? I was like, because it seemed like you were getting mad at him because he was dancing and because he was portraying a black athlete. It just came across to me as racist. She burst into tears.

Walked away. Hated me for the rest of my life. It's these kinds of stories that really bring us closer to the film. It's facts. It's what happened. That's why I always remember this movie. I call Mrs. Smith a racist to her face. I probably said the wrong thing. And on YouTube. Well, I mean, I don't know what she is right now. It's a very strange YouTube clip because he wins. He goes up. They cut to...

Like Will Smith, they cut to Halle Berry and then cut to like that. They cut to like the three black actors are actually standing up and it goes to Cuba and he's like, they're going to play me off. So I got to say this fast. And within like 25 seconds, they're playing the music and they eventually drown him out and shut out the mic. And he's just screaming names and people in the movie. But it's considered now to be one of the great Oscar speeches because the whole crowd's like standing, telling him to keep going. Yeah.

And it's really fun. It's the highlight of his career until he played OJ Simpson in whatever that weird show, American Horror Story. Cuba has some rough years after this. He did. Yeah. There's a What's the Age of the Worst section with Cuba. That Oscars was three hours and 35 minutes. So one of the six main awards, though, is being given out. Maybe don't play off one of the actors. He beat our guy Ed Norton in Primal Fear and he beat William H. Mason in Fargo.

I accept. I mean, this is a competitive category. I would probably have gone for Norton. Because he's white. Well, the bigger travesty is Tom Cruise, our guy, did not win. Yeah. Because they gave the Oscar to Jeffrey Rush and Shine. This is bullshit. It's fucking terrible. This is bullshit. It was bad when it happened. It was upsetting when it happened. I think people felt like he was going to win.

I understand why he doesn't win. I think people think Tom Cruise is weird. It's understood. Everybody thinks he's not going to win an Oscar. I get it. Jeffrey Rush is in 40 minutes of Shine. He doesn't appear in the movie until 70 minutes in the movie. When's the last Shine conversation you had? I don't think I've ever actually seen Shine. If I texted you guys, it was like, Shine rewatchables on Monday?

I'd be like fewer pods, less money. I think Billy Bob for Sling Blade was another one that this was, as I remember it, a pretty exciting best actor race. Question about that time. Other than Forrest Gump,

Were they giving, it seems like the Academy was in a little bit of a pretentious streak. Oh yeah. It was old and pretentious. It was when everyone's just getting mad at everything. Right. So would you, Zellweger's not nominated. Would you have gone supporting or best for her? Supporting. Right. So then she's going against Juliette Binoche, English patient one, Joan Allen, the crucible, Lauren Bacall and the Marist two faces.

Barbara Hershey, Portrait of a Lady. Like, look at that. And Some Lady in Secret and Lie. I was actually nominated. Yeah. But look at those nominees, though. Look at the movies. Old fartsy movies. Yeah, look at The English Patient and all those. Think about how seriously they're taking themselves. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's why...

A lot of the stuff written about the Oscars in the 90s was about that. There's a lot of old white people voting on all these awards. What the fuck are we doing? Best screenplay, Fargo won with the Coen brothers over Jerry Maguire. $50 million budget, made $273 million. Guys, a movie star. Ninth highest movie in 1996. Tom Cruise, at the time, his fifth straight $100 million movie, a then record. And I think it kept going. Roger Ebert, three stars.

I began to feel that writer-director Cameron Crowe had bitten off more than he really needed to chew. The screenplay knows enough about sports agents to make that the subject of the whole film, enough about romance too, but there's so many subplots that Jerry Maguire seems too full. Less might have been more. Fuck off, Raj. I wonder what Raj is referring to. What's the subplot in Jerry Maguire that he's like, this is too much? Ray? Or Dorothy. Or the divorced women and stuff? The movie is insanely dense.

Like, it's very dense. It all works, but it's really, really dense. As you know, I love saying movies are too long. I'm not sure what I would cut in this one. I just don't agree with him. Yeah, I don't. This is like a movie that the first time I saw it, I was like, wow, they nailed it. That's wonderful. Well, he said, still, the film is often a delight, especially when Cruise and Zellweger are together on screen. Blah, blah, blah. I just don't think that it was a movie at the time for serious movie critics. I think the movie, in lesser hands...

would have veered into melodrama and been schmaltzy to some. I think every single note works, but I don't think they went, I don't think they watched the movie and thought that they were supposed to find it as some piece of high art. The problem is Raj loves story. That's his thing.

This movie has a great story. I think the review he writes is a three and a half star review, but for some reason he gave it three. What's he like on TV? Is he more dismissive? Siskel is more positive, and you can see Siskel convincing him in real time. Ebert very rarely said this on the show, but he literally is like, you've made a good point there, Gene, and I'll have to think about that. And I think it's because the tide is moving on this movie. But I think he just missed something about it, like something essential about it.

It's a very insightful movie. That's part of what makes it work so well. When they skipped Tom at this particular point, do you remember feeling like, to your point, that there was just something about Tom that the Academy... To your point, I remember thinking, he's got to win. It's like his time. I think there was a feeling that he was too shticky.

Compared to like the other like quote unquote major actors that they would reward. Yeah. And movie stars in their prime very rarely win best actor or best actress. It's not that common. How many times? Newman was up seven times. He didn't win until Color of Money, right? Seagal's never won. Yeah. Hey, before we get to rewatchable scenes.

I'm moving up the, can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? Cause this movie has 10 memorable. Yeah. Yeah. A lot. Show me the money. Help me help you. You complete me. You had me at hello. I love black people. Kus, kus, slash, kus, slash, kus, slash, kus, slash, kus, slash. Uh, I did not shoplift the pootie. The human head weights weighs eight pounds. It's not show friends and show business.

And what you do have is my word. And it's stronger than oak. Stronger than oak. Like 10 really memorable quotes. I also really, I often reference, you are hanging on by a thread. And I dig that about you. You know what my favorite one is though? What? Like when he's trying to play tough with Bob Sugar.

And he goes, oh, I'm over it. Now I want all my clients and yours too. That's so clean the way that came out to me. I've always loved that. Well, the big ones from this were the show me the money and you had mad hello, which I guess you could put in one stage the worst. You complete me as well. Well, just like how big those quotes were for years. Show me the money was like a dominant pop culture. Your grandma said that. Yeah. Everyone knew that was down. Until Rasheed Wallace came and replaced it with CTC. Yeah.

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Jerry gets fired, goes to work to save his client list. This includes Bob Sugar's lunch with Jerry at Cronin's. Yeah. Ungrateful. You need to see yourself. You said fewer clients. You put it all down on paper. Jesus Christ. What about me? You know what I went through? Knowing I was going to have to fire my mentor? Carrying that around in my head for a week? Could you get past yourself for a second? Jesus. You'll lose. You want it smaller. Well, I'm over it. Now I want all my clients and yours too. Whatever.

Would you give this the Tom Sizemore action is the juice best toe-to-toe moment for a non-star? Sugar in the drink. Yeah. Epic wire. This is happening. Yeah. We get Bob versus Jerry on the phone going back and forth. We get the it's not show friends, it's show business. We get the crying figure skater. And we get the Rod Tidwell call, which is so fucking funny. Show you the money. Oh, no, no. You can do better than that, Jerry. I want you to say what you would mean, brother. Hey, I got Bob Sugar on the other.

Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. Show you the money. I told you, show me the money. Show me the money. Yeah! Louder! Show me the money. That's it, brother, but you got to yell that shit. Show me the money. I need to feel you, Jerry. Show me the money! Jerry, you better yell. Show me the money! Show me the money! You love this black man! This black man! Show me the money!

I love black people. I love black people. Who's your motherfucker, Jerry? You my motherfucker. What you gonna do, Jerry? Show me the money. Congratulations, you're still my agent. You my motherfucker. Crew's just in his office. Watching all the lights go away. This is all one scene? Yeah.

It's going to be hard to beat this. Yeah. I mean, I guess you could say the sugar lunch into this is two scenes. And I love what Cruz does in the scene because at first he's begrudgingly on the phone with Tidwell, but he gets more desperate the longer the call goes. Yeah, because the other calls are popping off the phone. He has to keep this guy. No, no, no, no. Okay. Yeah. I love black people. And then he just fucking loses it. It's fucking great. It's so good.

I'm going to separate Jerry leaving the office as a separate thing. You're just going to flip out. Like, this is Cruz. I don't know. Maybe in Cocktail, he cruised it up more than this. But other than that, I can't think of another Cruz. Full Cruz. Full tilt Cruz. I mean, it's like if the scene where he's drunk and a few good men...

was 10 minutes long. Combined with him at TGA Friday flipping bottles. Should we or should we not follow the advice of the galactically stupid? He does the goldfish group. All of a sudden, Dorothy Boyd decides to come to have some thoughts on later. And then they end up in an elevator with you complete me in sign language. Next one is Jerry finds out Kush is dumping him for sugar where he answers the phone. Yeah. The Kush slash song kills me. This is Kush.

I love your son. I love your son. And then we signed an hour ago. You're in the lobby with the black fella. And then rock bottom, Cruz. We're here, baby. Yeah. We are taking a taxi back to the airport. Out of those, which ones are your favorite out of those three? I think Cruz's acting in the Kush scene is just brilliant. Just from the moment that he realizes it's Bob Sugar and he sniffs,

The anguish that is playing out on his face as he's summoning the veins in his face, but trying to mute the way that it comes off. He grabs the, like. He brings the legal pad over. He's like, maybe we should get something in writing. And then after that, when he says Bob Sugar, he can't even bring himself to say it. He's Bob Sugar, have you? And then after that, he's just decimated. I think some of the best acting. I will go with that. Drunk Sunglasses Tom Cruise visits Dorothy.

Is the next rewatchable scene? I would actually put Tom Cruise getting drunk as a rewatchable scene for me. Him and Rod at the airport lounge and then on the plane.

leading up to him going you love all scenes where Tom Cruise has to either drink or pretend to get high or anything yes Ron is so funny on the plane you like this jacket take it because I'm cloaked and failing the best when he visits Dorothy it's basically the Ben Stiller impersonation of Cruise and you just think Ben Stiller studied this for five months learning every mannerism we get Nicky talking in the photo Rod Tidwell we get the Bonnie Hunt advice

We get Clarence Thomas jokes, which brought us back to the 90s. And he ends up getting called a cab. Good stuff. Establishes some connections there. Jerry and Rod in the shower. Unbelievable. Do your job. Don't you tell me to dance. Leaked. An entertainer. I do not dance. And I do not start preseason without a contract. Jerry, talk to me. Greed, Jerry.

Both of them at their best, I think, in that scene. Fine! Fine! Fine! Kicks the wall. Fine! So just good scream acting in this movie. Help me help you. Do you feel like he's dialing it up too much? A pride-swallowing siege that I will never tell you about. You wouldn't put him in the Rubenick Award, would you? Tom? Tom?

For any of this? Fully. Really? Yeah. I like it. It's just a matter of choosing which one. Yeah. Oh, I see. I like it. I do too. I'm pro. Who gets instead of him? Jan Wenner? I got Kelly Preston. But I think it works because his unraveling is so significant that it feels like he's completely lost control. Yeah. And when you first see him...

he's like super controlled, right? He's telling you how much control he has over his life and then it's gone. I also just like, I am an athlete, not an entertainer bit. It's just, I'm that, that is such like a nostalgic thing because like, that's not really a thing anymore, right? Like nobody thinks that way, but it was, it was a thing back then. I like, uh, you think we're fighting? I think we're finally talking. You are hanging on by a very thin thread and I dig that about you. No contract. I help me. I help you help everybody. Ha ha ha.

That's my man. I'm happy to entertain you. Help me. Help me. I'll see you in Los Angeles. Jerry, come on, man. See, that's the difference between us. You think we're fighting and I think we're finally talking. Great quote. Jerry picks up Dorothy for their first date, which for some reason she's like, come on over around eight. Hey, the divorced women's group is going to be here. So just maybe I'm not sure why that happened.

She's in the dress. This is when we get the hug with the Secret Garden cameo, which I think gets the Kid Cudi pursuit of happiness, unless you want to go Free Fallin'. I'm going Free Fallin'. For Best Needle Trap? Yeah. Free Fallin'? What would you do? Springsteen or Free Fallin'? I have so many nominees. I have Secret Garden. I had written Free Fallin', but then I went with Secret Garden almost immediately when I saw the scene, because the scene is so moving. There's like 15 songs that are great in this movie, though. She's cute.

Give it, Bill. Take it easy, don't cry at the beginning of a date is a great line. This whole scene is fantastic. Every piece of this is just really well written. I haven't talked about Bonnie. Bonnie Hunt. Elite. Great. I had her coming up in... Is she eligible for Dion Waiters? She might be in too much for Dion. Yeah. The wedding scene, we get Rod singing Marvin Gaye. We get Jerry's face during the wedding video. Oh, God. Bonnie Hunt saying, you fucked this up, I'll kill you.

And then Rod's like, you didn't have to talk, did you? Can you imagine like watching those wedding videos? First of all, the night of the wedding, but also just like if you saw the groom's face being like, oh shit, like that. It would just be a chill would fall over the room.

It's tough. It looks like Tibbs in Game 4 of the indie mix series. It's like, what did I do? Why did I play OG in so many minutes? God, I hope the Celtics lose. We're definitely going to lose. Three more. Rod bitching about his QB when he gets in the fight with Jerry. How's your marriage, Jerry? And then Jerry gets mad and does the whole, right now you're a paycheck player. It's all about what you didn't get.

does the whole thing. You know what? That is not what inspires people. You are a paycheck player. You play with your head, not your heart. Your personal life, heart. But when you get on the field, it's all about what you didn't get, who's to blame, who underthrew the pass, who's got the contract you don't, who's not giving you your love. You know what? That is not what inspires people. That is not what inspires people. Shut up.

Play the game. Play it from your heart. And you know what? I will show you the Quan. And that's the truth, man. That's the truth. Can you handle it? It's just a question between friends. You know? Oh, and when they call you shrimp, I'm the one who defends you. I want to be friends with them. Fine. And quit using that word Quan. That's my word. I'll see you in L.A. No heart. No heart? No heart, motherfucker!

And then he does the I'm all heart motherfucker. And then we're off. That scene is awesome. That's another one. He just goes toe to toe with Cruz. Rod's big catch. The TD dance, which I'm pretty sure would have gotten a penalty in 2024. What did they say on the broadcast? They said he's probably going to get a flag. And the post-game press conference talk. It's a great moment. So Crow had a really, in some of the research, Crow said that Tom Cruise only had one note on the script.

When Cuba Gooding does his end zone dance after getting up from the near concussion on the playing field, Tom said, where's Jerry Maguire? I just want to be invested in that moment so I can build on it toward the end of the movie. And Cameron Crowe's like, great note, Tom Cruise. So that's why Cruise is running toward him. That's how he ends up on the sideline. And he's calling mercy. Really smart. Yeah. So he's in the scene versus it just being a tidbit thing. And then at the end, Jerry comes back. You complete me. You had me at hello. The divorce group's crying. We live in a cynical world.

A cynical world. And we work in a business of tough competitors. You complete. Shut up. Just shut up. You had me at hello. You had me at hello. Does this get the Rick Dalton award for the best fucking acting I've ever seen in my life? Oh, I had the best fucking acting. It was Cruise in the shower. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Okay. What do you got for most rewatchable? I think, honestly, it's Bob and Jerry.

trying to keep their clients and just that whole scene in the office of him of them like negotiating with those guys I think probably just because I've seen this movie so many times I'm not going to take you completely or Rod getting back up off the field yeah it's going to be something earlier I have the same what do you have Van if I had to watch one scene over and over again which is the category it would be the scene that includes show me the money it's just

funny as hell, it never gets old. As played up and watered down as it got, as overexposed as the saying got and all of that, it just never gets old. And every time you watch it, you notice like a different thing. Like when Bob Sugar's like,

He calls an athlete and he's just like, you know, you got me. Like, Bob Sugar, I'm completely concentrated. He's like, talk to Rich. Yeah. He'll tell you more about Doritos. What do you have? I think Help Me Help You is my favorite. The shower scene. Yeah. I think that's the most electric. I like the lunch heading into them fighting for the clients. So there's deleted scenes for this movie, most of which are bad. But there's a great four-minute J. Moore taking calls from

basically one take same camera and he's on the phone with 10 different clients and that guy keeps coming back and giving the phones. I don't know how they did it, but they couldn't have kept in the movie because it was too long, but really good. So they kept like two of them. Jay Moore would say it's the best. Jerry Maguire is a movie character name.

Yeah. Incredible name. Like it. It's like Van Lathan. Incredible name. Yeah, I like it too. Jerry Maguire. Do you feel like we've gone away from naming movies after the main character of the movie? Like Aaron Brockovich? Yeah. Should we get back to that? I guess Iron Man. Damn. I think Oppenheimer would have something to say about that. John Wick. Barbie. Yeah, John Wick. Barbie. But they didn't call him Robert Oppenheimer. He's like a dude who does stuff though. Yeah, like Mrs. Smith. Michael Clayton. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, usually when they do it, I always feel like they couldn't come up with a better title. So they're like, just what's the guy's name? And they just make it that guy. You don't think so? No, I think you might be right. It's like, it's, I always feel like it's lazy, but in this case, Michael Clayton being called the fixer, it's like 2% worse. Well, if you called this movie, show me the money. It's worse, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, did you see show me the money with Tom Cruise? Yeah. Yeah. So I think the one with Cooper getting juniors, um,

Cuba's Oscar speech I mentioned earlier he's presented the Oscar from Mira Sorvino who was offered the Dorothy part but her agents wanted too much money and she ended up not taking it I always thought it was an interesting moment she's probably like fuck fire my agent when he when it looks like Dorothy's moving to San Diego and he's saying goodbye to Ray and Ray goes go ahead and go

Go ahead and go. Yeah. Uh, been a running joke of my family for 28 years. Every time I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go back to Boston. My wife be like, go ahead and go. It's a running joke. Feel free to incorporate it in your own life. That's sad as shit. I know. Cause it's a sad moment. Go ahead and go. You're ditching us. Um,

The mom-son, speaking of that, the I need to find you a dad moments that they sprinkle in when they drop off at the airport. And they see the guy. And they just see the guy hugging and they're both looking for a second. I don't know. Work for me. Not for your wife. No, but Cameron Crowe, single mom, this is something he really understands. Jerry has a Sun Sonics 1993 conference finals t-shirt. Incredible. During the scene when he proposes. Yes.

That I looked for on eBay and I couldn't find it. Chris said to me today, earlier, that the sweatshirt he's wearing right now came from Ukraine. He did not realize when he ordered it online that that's where it came from. So I feel like... It's doing my part. Maybe that same seller has this t-shirt you're talking about. You can get it. I have a bunch more of what's aged the best, but do you have any you want to do? Yeah, you know what? Along the lines of...

the note you had about Zellweger in the background when she finds out that he's broken up with Avery. I love that Jerry knows he's getting fired when Marcy says to Bob, you've been calling the house. Yeah. That whole scene where he's like, Cruz himself is obviously somewhere else while Marcy's talking. It's just like, if you watch the movie like a couple times, you're like, oh, he knows he's dead here. Yeah. I also think low-key, the first six minutes of the movie

is a genius decision to start Jerry in the breakdown. Rather than like, here's 15 minutes of Jerry Maguire's super agent and him being a prick. It's like, that's a voiceover for four or five minutes. He's sick.

in the sixth minute and he's crazy for the rest of the movie. And it's like such a great move because you never build up any resentment or bad feelings towards Jerry. He starts at him being like, I want to care about people. I want to connect with people. I wonder if it was always that way too. I don't know, but it's a great, the voiceover, he did it when he was in London. Because he did it during, when he was making Eyes Wide Shut is when he recorded the voiceover. So it's like, is that something that came in late?

Did they make a change? It's just a great move. It just makes you feel so connected to him so fast. Yeah, as soon as we get to him, he's going through it. And they give you enough. You know, he's standing next to Drew Bledsoe. They give you enough for you to know that this guy is a badass. And when they're showing the kids in front, he's showing the way he looks at people because these are, some of them are young athletes and he's commodifying them. Like right away, he's telling you not what they're doing or whatever's going on in their life, but how much money he feels like they're going to make and what he can make off them.

Do you have any of what's aged the best? Yeah, a few. The number one overall pick controlling his destiny at the NFL draft after Eli Manning did it seven years later. The NFL being ruthless about player longevity. Oh, yeah. This movie is like really ahead of the curve. Yeah, because he's like, you should take the 1.6 million. Because otherwise you're going to... It's so funny. I loved sports back then and was even trying to write about it. And I was so...

not aware of all that stuff yeah this is one of the first movies like oh yeah maybe he should take the money his career is not going to be that long yeah that moment when he when they get the offer and cruz is like you could get hurt and he feels he's like because he's telling him that yeah yeah exactly the way they set the movie up and then just um tom cruise as a maniacally consumed man with intimacy trouble i just feel like this is a this is age well yeah yeah yeah um

Age is the best for me. Small wideouts. I thought about this as I was watching the movie. You know, they talk about that. This is Herman Moore's coming through. Everybody's got to be six foot six. And then your guys come, your Welker, Edelman, Troy Brown, Steve Smith. All of these guys, smaller wideouts. Age pretty good. 35, for me personally, as the what am I doing age.

For me, I remember being in the office one time, and I was feeling so weird about turning 35. And I said, you know, at 35, I'm still... That's still... That's young, right? He goes... This guy, Gary, I worked with, he goes, no, it's not. You need to figure out whatever you're going to do. This was real. Him getting to that point and trying to... That was a big number. And then I feel like the concussion protocol...

has really helped a lot of athletes too because he was knocked unconscious on the field. And from what we know... And they didn't even bring a neck brace out. Right? He was knocked unconscious. So that's age pretty well. It's related to one of my what's age the worst. He just went knocked out. He's fine. He's either dead or he's going to play next year. Well, we're at the test to wake him up. They're like, Rod! Rod! That's all they're doing to help him. They're just clapping in his face. I have the Kwan. Family, community, money, and respect.

Which apparently Cameron Crowe thought that was going to be the big lesson for the movie. That should have took off. Show me the money. But the plot was good. I still say it. The divorce women's group is hilarious. It's used perfectly and not too much. It's like little scene breaks. Yeah, it's good.

The things you think and do not say as a memo title. Oh my God. Really good. So good. I like when she says to Rod Jr. Why don't you be the first man in your family not to say that word? And then we'll let you live. I like all the family scenes with them watching the football game. I think that could have gone badly when you talked earlier about how so many ways that character go badly. I really think they nailed all that stuff. The Roy Firestone jokes have both aged the best and the worst.

Because this was part of that Roy Firestone show. You're like, oh, can he get the person to cry? And then the movie just dives into that. What was the... The Firestone show was called what? Up Close. Up Close. And there was that... Replaced by Chris Myers. Not a great movie. But what was like the late afternoon, early evening ESPN slate?

Was PTI on then? It was like in that PTI thing. Oh, PTI. It was in that 5 o'clock. This is pre-PTI. Was Bob Lee's show on? No. That time? No, that was Sundays, right? And we had less to watch. So it was like, oh, he's going to interview the left tackle on the Lions. Great. This guy won the Boston Marathon. Let's watch it. And then that's where Rotman broke down on the show, right? Yeah, a bunch of people did. And then the soundtrack, a bunch of good choices on this.

So, quickie words. Great shot, Gordo. What do you have, CR? Cruise in the airport on the People Mover. Had that as well. Scooting down. I love the sweating glass of water when he's getting fired. That's a great detail.

I like the wide shot of the office when Jerry and Dorothy are leaving and everybody's stopped, like paralyzed. And then it just goes back. Yeah, that's a good one. Also, the kiss on the patio after their date and they're like backlit. Yeah. Oh, and he's like sucking on her neck. Yeah. My guy, Anoush. Good shit. Fucking man. Sucking on her neck. That's the last non-Spielberg movie he made for nine years.

Is that true? Yeah. Jesus. You know what I liked? Him running out for, you know, Tom's got to run in every movie. Yeah. But him running through the tunnel, for me, that was a fantastic shot. Just his, he's like exerting so much to get there for his guy. It's so symbolic. He's literally running through the darkness to get to Rod Tillwell.

I don't think there's ever been an airport that dark, but it's fun. The, uh, then at these Benihana where it seems to in location, either the airport or the NFL draft, just the Cardinals Cowboys game Monday night football. I thought that was like, well, they interpolated that. Well, I like the Cushman ranch too. Cushman ranch. Kid Cudi.

Free Fallen, Secret Garden. Just what's going on, starting with Rod Tidball singing Marvin Gaye, I thought was good too. But there's a couple good ones. I should leave. She's so embarrassed by him. Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. I really love the Apple Jacks. Oh, that's good. And then the crabs. Breaking the crabs is good. All right. The Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure This Character Is Actually Good at His Job.

Jerry Maguire. Of course. Yeah. So for sure. Didn't you have contracts with all your clients? Like you get fired, but you don't still get to take the commissions from your clients. What kind of, I was going to ask you how this works. He's supposed to lock in for the rest of the deal that he negotiated. Are they, I was about to say, are they signed to him or to the thing? Because,

They're still making, they still have money coming in. They're getting commission every year. Maybe they're signed to Sports Management International and he's just their agent by assignment. He's done a poor job. Would make no sense whatsoever. I have further evidence. Last season, Rod Tidwell had 110 catches for 1,550 yards.

In 1996, when this movie was released, Isaac Bruce led the NFL with 1,338 yards on 84 catches. Jerry Rice led the league with 108 catches. Rod Tidwell is the best receiver in the NFL. There's no way they wouldn't have known who he was. When they spit those stats out, there's no fucking way that he would be that underpaid and they wouldn't have known who he was. Although Arizona was really cheap back then.

I'm sure they were, but he would have been a massive fucking star. He would not have been anonymous on the draft day. I agree. He introduced Rod Tidwell to Mel fucking Kuyper. Because I was looking at the over the cat for... He introduced him, this is Rod Tidwell. Well,

I did the same. You did the salary cap stuff? Well, the first season is the 95 season. And then I think the 96 season is what we're watching. So that 95 was the great receiver boom. That was Rice, Bruce, Herman Moore, Irvin. Andre Reid. Robert Brooks. He wasn't there anymore. Paramount, Chris Carter, Tim Brown, Carl Pickens, all those dudes. And in 90, when we get to the contract stuff, Herman Moore in 95 got four years, 13.8.

Andre rise in 95 got five years 17.2 and Jerry rice in 96 got five for 29 so rods like so right he's like the baby Jerry rice number but he's yeah, but interestingly focus was broke Rob Moore Rob Moore who is kind of the Cardinals version of rod Tidwell in real life Sunday for your deal in 1995

for $11.2 million. Oh, wow. And I think that's how they got that number. Yeah, but they just picked up the yardage. Rob Moore never had a 110-catch season. No. Rob Moore ended up on the Jets, didn't he? He did. How'd that go for you? Not great. Okay. But yeah, they... Mean-spirited. This goes back to our whole thing. We always talk about CR.

We need to come in on these sports movies. Just chat about it. We're just here to help. Yeah. We're just advisors. It's just about changing like a couple of things. Yeah. Just, hey, man, maybe bump those rod numbers up. 110 catches is a fucking lot. The other way is what they should have done. He had 82 catches for 1,022 yards. He's a player on the rise. That would have made more sense. He says he calls him the best kept secret in the league.

He's putting up historic numbers. There's just no way. I think this also carves into the Butch's girlfriend weak link. It would have been cool too also if it was like Rod has to play slot, but he wants to play on the outside. He wants to start getting more red zone targets, you know?

Instead, he's getting nailed. So I think this is the weak link of the film in some ways, too. If you've just watched it too many times, like, wait, why is it so hard for Rod to get a good contract? 110 catches in 1,500 yards. A lot of fucking stats. I think Swenson was weighing down the salary cap. They're stiff of a QB. He's throwing it over the middle, getting killed. Terrible. He looks like a fucking Swenson. Do you have a different weak link or would you go with that?

No, it's definitely like what's up with Rod's paycheck. What's aged the worst? The movie's attitude toward concussions, which was symbolic of what the 90s were like. This is the era where Eric Lindros would get knocked out of hockey games and people would be like, get back on the fucking ice, dude. Take some fucking Advil. It sounds like Philly to me. Sorry, Sierra. Oh.

Oh my God. What's the worst? Getting involved with somebody who works for you. Yeah. It's not great. Yeah. 2024, not as cool. Waterbed deals. Don't have them. When was the last time you saw a waterbed? Still see car dealerships. I think 90s Arizona. They were still trying to get rid of some stock. Yeah. Okay. Cuba Gooding's last 10 to 15 years.

Not awesome. What do you have for, I have some more, but what do you have? I just, you know, we've probably gotten to a point where people's attention spans are such that you can't really put a mission statement in an email anymore. You know, maybe save it for the pod. It's like getting a 25-page email. I'm not reading on that shit. You just be like, did the Unabomber just like log on? I miss getting like a nice packet

You know, I like a nice, like I went to Kinko's and I got my packet bound. Why does that sound in a way? I don't know. It doesn't sound, I miss getting a nice packet. Of cocaine. It just sounds, it sounds. Interpret it however you want. What do you have for what's in yours? So Avery's domestic violence on Jerry Maguire.

She beat him down. We're not taking that. We're not taking her punching him, kicking him. Just the whole world. He had like a three inch cut on his eye. She beat the shit out of him. Domestic violence. We're not taking that anymore. And the idea of not having sex with single mothers. We've moved past this. Instagram has showed us that there are a lot of single mothers out there that need it.

Okay, and we're gonna give it to DTF A lot of we I'm just saying there's a lot of single not shop single mothers have agency and they if they have a baby So it's not about shoplifting. It's not about shoplifting. You've broken your record for switching to higher learning van on this pod. You've switched That was rewatchables van like we were talking about I think well you could switchers maybe Give me what's edge worse. Um

Just the stuff about the stats and this. And playing the last year of your contract and it being like, I could get hurt and this would be the end of my career, which I know happened a lot. But, you know, between Dr. James Andrews and, you know. I had one more, actually, which was that there did used to be a lot of sports agents who had multi-sport athletes, who had athletes in a lot of sports, and that that has changed a lot. Now it's like you're mostly focused on one sport if you're an agent. I have a couple more.

Lipnicki's baseball throw at the end is an absolute abomination. I saw that. It's just so bad. He's like fucking Hercules. And he throws that bitch like all the way to the outfield. It's so bad. And Cruz is like, whoa, I gotta sign this guy. This kid is not coordinated. He kind of looks like Tom Cruise throwing a baseball though. You know, like maybe that's why he was impressed because he thinks that's how you're supposed to throw. It's also like, it's funny that the other little leaguers are like, great throw. He'd be like, dude, throw me the ball. I'm throwing it over my head.

And speaking of throwing, Frank Cushman, I didn't love his- Oh, terrible. No. No, yeah. Kind of like that. Just didn't seem like a football player. So I worked on a movie one time, and the supervisor producer on the movie was a lady. I won't say her name because she still works out here, but she could really throw a football. Was it Mrs. Smith? No, it wasn't. Mrs. Paulette? She could really throw a football. We were throwing a football in Baton Rouge. She could really throw the football. And I remember I asked her, I was like,

yo, like why? And she said, I worked on Varsity Blues and there was a guy on Varsity Blues that was on the movie teaching everybody how to throw. And then between whatever, between takes, he would teach everybody and we all learned how to throw. She would pat the ball and throw a perfect spiral. I wonder how when they're, maybe not be good for Kush, might not have been enough of him in the movie. But when I saw that, I'm like,

That motherfucker's not going first in the draft. He didn't look any quarterback-y at all. He doesn't look like, like, at all. Yeah. I'm like, they can't take a guy for- Even the way he, like, patted the ball, everything was off. It's also strange, but- Two days to, like, and I'll- Shout out to Jerry. I box with Jerry. But, like, it- I just want to say shout out to Jerry. I want to- Wow, man. It's just you're being corrupted by this talent. I hate to see it. What's Hollywood done to you?

No shots fired at my friend Jerry on Jerry O'Connor before all of us were live on YouTube. That's my guy. That's my guy. He needed some extra coaching. But he just doesn't look like he could throw the ball. It was really, really bad. It's also a little confusing because he's in Odessa being scouted by guys who are all wearing like college t-shirts, but he's in the NFL draft. Again, they needed the consultant agency. Yeah.

Couple more the bachelor party video is just weird. This seems like the worst bachelor party ever. Yeah We're not gonna have strippers and everybody's Shitting on you. Yeah in front of your new girl great time the crews overacting when he enters the party is elite though

More what's aged the worst. Two kids in the airport thinking Rod Tidwell is Hootie. That's a joke that doesn't work anymore. Yeah. It would be weirder if they were like, you're the slot receiver for the Puddles. Phone lines being busy has aged the worst. It doesn't happen anymore. A personal thing for me. Kelly Preston is so good in this movie that it led to her getting the lead in For Love of the Game and fucking ruining that movie. I'll never forgive her. She is excellent in this movie. She's excellent. Really?

She bothered the shit out of me when I watched it. That's the whole point. You thought she wasn't good. Fan. What? White girl first ballot Hall of Fame. Babe fucking Ruth. But let me tell you the movies that she's from. Babe fucking Ruth. It's not from this one. I'll give you Kelly Preston's two Hall of Fame white girl performances. Two? How about seven? Okay. Twins, obviously. Twins? Have you ever seen a movie called The Experts? Oh, yeah. With John Travolta. Yeah.

And Ari Gross? Ari Gross. Do you box with him too? Shut up. I love Ari Gross. She's hottest in those twins. She's super hot.

Secret admirer is the one. She destroyed everyone else in the 80s to the point that the stats look fake. It's like looking at Barry Bonds' baseball reference. You know what, though? We're like, Barry Bonds had 840 on base? This is honestly one of your strangest takes. I got to say that my cohort didn't think twice about Preston. What cohort? I stand with Bill on this. Okay. The people who are just like, it's Sharon Stone's world and we just live in it.

Sharon Stone was older though. Kelly Preston was like little too old to be in high school movies ripping all the way through and it's just like why isn't she in the Brad Pack? I do feel like if we're talking about a white girl connoisseur situation here I do feel like there is a level above her though that came out around that same time. Stone would be in it

it lynch would be in it jennifer connelly connelly get the fuck out of here okay and by the way this conversation i need your first team all black ladies situation okay i'm not gonna do that live on youtube

Why? See what I'm saying? See? But why, though? There's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with it. Come on, Bill. It's a long list. I know it. See? And that's the thing. Sometimes I feel like... Who loves Boomerang more than me? Those are two of my first ballots. But see, we've talked about it. Me and Bill have had long conversations about Whitney Houston. We've discussed it. So, you know, one day just get it out to me. Robin Givens in Boomerang, I feel like if we had just sent her to Russia, she could have ended the Cold War in like 10 minutes.

Let me get Gorbachev. Let me just get Ted to dance along with him. Yeah. Just take down the heavyweight champion. Jesus Christ. What's aged the worst? Tidwell's brother.

Which we all agree is a really good character and I like the resentful stuff. But does he like Rod? Is he on Rod's team? Jealous. He's jealous. He's jealous of. He's got his own room. Oh, that happens. Come on. It's flooded. Is it the ants? Yeah, the ants are flooding. That happens. Yeah, it's got the shittiest room in the house. Where is the flood happening in Arizona? Yeah, seriously. It never rains there. I had the lack of pull suitcases. Everyone's carrying bags. Oh, yeah. Everybody's got their garment bags. That's right. Three years later, just pulling stuff.

There's an alternate ending in this movie on YouTube that's awful. I encourage people not to watch it. Is it when Nicky gets drafted by the Royals? He's like fucking Saberhagen. They take J-Lip to the zoo. And he's just on a bench and he's just like longingly looking happily. I'm going to save this for We Bought a Zoo. Yeah, I think that's what happened. But he's just looking longingly at Zellweger. It's bad. And then, hey, the human head, it weighs 11 pounds.

Tough beat. Come on, J-Lip. Tough beat. All right. Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting word. They knew and they let it happen. Don't you call me lady. I come in here. I give these things to you. Give me all you got. Give me all you got. I treated you like a son. You fucking stabbed me in the heart. Fuck you. Fuck you. To me, it's like clearly Kelly Preston. Oh, yeah. Even though I think she's good in this movie. She's out of control in this movie. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a type though don't ever stop fucking

Fucking me! It's fucking crazy. But this super intense type A striker. Yeah, predator. I won't let myself feel. And then there's seven cruise scenes. I think the most overactive for cruise is Free Fallin', actually. Yeah. You're like, wait a time. You're going to sing Free Fallin' in the car. It's like, all right, I've got it. Yeah. I'm going to sing Free Fallin' in the car. I've listened to every single recording of Tom Petty singing Free Fallin'. Listen to Tom Petty for three weeks getting ready to sing Free Fallin'. You know what the interesting thing is?

But Tidwell does not come up for me, although it feels like he's the one that's going for it the most sometimes. Yeah. It's a weird. He's super genuine with him, though. It does. It's weird. The only person who's not on 11 in this movie, though, is Renee Zellweger. Yeah. Everybody who's in the movie is up a level. She's on the level. She's on the 11 of like Ernest Cutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But not as, yeah. But she doesn't yell. She doesn't freak out. Was there a better title for this movie? I'm going to say no. Jerry Maguire is a good title, right?

I think I was thinking about this when you said that we don't do that anymore. Like one of the great things about the movie is people just saying his name, you know, like when Roderick Simone is like Jerry Maguire. Yeah. There's something. It's a great name. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? What do you got CR? So if you read Cameron Crowe put Jerry Maguire's mission statement up on his website, the actual, he wrote the whole thing. It's 25 pages long.

If you read that, you'd be like, there's no way this guy's going to be my agent and he should definitely get fired from Splatoon. It's mostly just like, man, I'm up. I'm writing. This is crazy. You know, it would be great is if we just had deeper human relationships and there's no solutions. So he just seems like a maniac. Yeah, he just seems like he's having a manic episode. So maybe don't put that online, Cameron Crowe.

Yeah, no, I mean, I thought it was really interesting to read, but like five pages in, you're like, TLDR, man. So you would have Bob Sugared him. But this is related to mine, which is just that Bob Sugar's right. Like, Jerry Maguire does not work for the Red Cross. He's the all-time Sean. Yeah. Like, he's a sports agent. This is the movie about Sean called Sean Fantasy. No, this is a movie about sharks. Like, the whole point is that nobody gets into sports agenting so that they can be a good person. It's the opposite. These people are fucking idiots.

evil man what are you talking about i will say though that i i agree fans like listen shout out the clutch i saw rich today shut up no not at all um anyway yeah anyway um uh but the only thing i agree but the kid the kid scene

where his dad is going to die. You can't get into the business if you don't want to do that, but the kid scene is the thing that kind of bullies the whole deal. In your experience, is that something that agents do? Encourage their athletes to get back out there and play more when they're injured? I don't like agents, as you know. You have the same agent forever. I don't like agents. Oh, okay. Well, I'll remember that when I get rich to do my deal next time.

My hottest take is like a lukewarm take, but I would just cut every Dickie Fox scene. I don't think it works. Oh, I like it. I don't need it. I don't know.

It's very Crow. I agree. I think Dickie and the Divorced Women's group are like just two things where you're like, no other movie does something like this. I'm fine. I don't think he's that funny or good of an actor. I just wouldn't have it. But it's just such a Cameron Crowe thing. He comes back to it and then the whole... The funny thing, isn't there something in the original script, the Sorkin script for Moneyball, isn't there like a similar...

Like it's, I don't know if it's Bill James, but there's like a similar kind of way. Right, like a testimonial that are interspersed throughout the movie explaining certain ideas. Yeah. Thelma from Good Times. Okay. Pam Greer. Okay. Casting what ifs. Wait a minute. You're my hottest take. Oh. Yeah. Oh no. Wait. I forgot you didn't do it. It's just, it's not a, these two hottest takes aren't that hot. Okay. But they're connected. One is that Avery is,

And Jerry and Dorothy had a threesome. Because remember Avery said if Dorothy, and that led to the divorce.

of Jerry Maguire and Dorothy Boyd. They do not say anything. Oh, you mean like in a sequel kind of situation? Yeah. It's a Challengers type thing. It's a Challengers type of deal, yeah. So, because Avery was still around. She came to get her stuff from the house. Maybe had a glass of Chardonnay with Dorothy. Yeah, or something. They saw him around town. There was a thing. She said that she would be willing to do it. Jerry and them were looking to put the spark back in their relationship because we all can tell that it went. You're kind of stepping all over Byron Mayo here, you know? What?

What I'm saying is that happened and then they got divorced. Their marriage lasted. I wanted to talk about how long their relationship lasted. It lasted seven years. We have that later. There's a deleted scene where he calls Kelly Preston and tells him he signed Kush. And she's like, yes, you're the fucking man. You're going to come home and I'm going to give you a blowjob tonight, Chicago style. What? And she hangs up.

She hangs up and he's like, Chicago style. And I have no idea what Chicago... They should have left that in the movie. That's fucking horrible. Chicago style. Maybe that should have been the name of the movie. Chicago style. Open your DMs for tonight. There you go. I can't tell you how many casting what-ifs we have, so we're going to zip through them. Cameron Crowe originally wrote the screenplay for Hanks and Winona Ryder. Hanks eventually... He took so long to write the screenplay, Hanks ultimately passed to do that thing you do. And then Cruise loves Say Anything.

I want to do this with you. So now it's Cruz and Winona Ryder for a split second. And they look like brother and sister. And they're like, we got to get rid of her. And he did at least have Tom Hanks do a reading and say the words, this is Jerry Maguire, but he leaves. Woody Harrelson before Cruz was offered the movie, turned it down and has said in the last five years, I said to Jim Brooks, nobody's going to give a shit about an agent.

So he said no. Woody Harrelson as Jerry Maguire is interesting. It's not as good of a movie. I don't understand. They went to Woody Harrelson before Tom Cruise? I don't think they thought Tom Cruise was actually going to do it. Okay. So I think they were going to other people and then Cruise was finally out of the company. And this is probably various points over the course of like the three and a half years they were messing with us. Gwyneth Paltrow came in and did a reading with Cruise and he said, Crowe said it was like watching a scene from Annie Hall.

I wish this stuff was on YouTube. I would love to watch Gwyneth Paltrow do a scene with Tom Cruise. Janine Garofalo said she went for Dorothy. They wanted her to lose a bunch of weight, and she did. And then they said, you're too old. You can't have it. Fuck. Renee Zellweger beat out for Dorothy Boyd. It was down to two people. CR knows. Jennifer Lopez. No, she auditioned too. But the final two, this is really going to pain you. I actually don't know. Who is it?

Connie Britton. Oh, I did know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because who was who was pushing her for it? Someone who was a bunch of people connected to the movie. Connie Britton recalled after it was heartbreak. Oh, isn't it because of the it's because Ed Burns thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because Ed Burns, they've thought about Ed Burns for this.

So she said, they asked her, do you have a theory why you didn't get it? And she said, maybe I was too tall. She actually, there is a video where she talks about her screen test and she's just like, it was a disaster. She did in her audition. Well, I looked up the heights. Connie Britton, 5'8". Renee Zellweger, 5'4". What's Cruz listed? 5'7". Yeah, he's so short.

Jamie Foxx auditioned for Tidwell and apparently was very good, but Qubit already crushed it. But I think Foxx in this role would have... Could have worked. Yeah. I think it would have been a little different, but I think it could work. He gets his Willie Beeman. You know who we haven't really talked about? Just real quick.

Regina King. Yeah. I was going to say Janet Jackson. I have it right here. Oh, okay. Janet Jackson auditioned, accepted, and then it fell through and Regina King comes in. And this was a huge movie for her. Huge. Huge. She's awesome in this. Propelled her. It was great. It's a great character and she's really good. She's pretty much only done the Singleton movies in Friday until this point. Yeah. That I had seen her. And then next year she does the Will Smith movie. Enemy of State. Yeah. And then it's like she is...

you know big hollywood yeah she's a big big hollywood we were like look we all love virginia king but it is lisa bonet like i can't blame him in that movie right there yeah lisa bonet another first ballot sure um the re-enemy amy mann recorded a song called wise up to be used for maguire and crow crow loved it decided to not fit and it went into magnolia another tom cruise film yeah

There's one more casting. What if, what do you got Diane Lane for Avery? Yeah, I didn't know. I couldn't get corroboration on that, but I did call, you called your sources. I couldn't tell how real that was, but man, what a face off. Yeah.

That touched me personally. Yeah. As a Diane Lane. I didn't even know how I feel about that. It would have been so much better. Rest in peace. Yeah, it would have been so much better, man. Did you say rest in peace? Yeah, to Kelly Preston. Oh, I thought you meant Diane Lane. Nah, she's still around. The Danny McBride Award for playing yourself. I will give you Roy Firestone, Drew Bledsoe, Troy Aikman, Al Michaels, or Katerina Witt. Aikman.

Aikman. Kuiper? I like Katarina Witt. She's in my first bow German Hall of Fame. Who else? Tread lightly. Yeah. I meant for women. Yeah. Aikman's good too. Yeah.

I like seeing him. And he says he writes a memo. I like seeing Deardorff, Gifford, and Al Michaels too. There's a lot of playing yourself in this. The Aikman thing is, okay, he gets introduced to him by at least, so he's not going to sign with Jerry. No, he's just saying, I believe, like, everybody's like, Jerry's doing things the right way. Right.

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The Clint Howard Award for the director loves this guy. We don't really get to give this out this much. But Cameron Crowe's mom, Jan Wenner, and Eric Stoltz. Stoltz. All in this. Why is Stoltz in this movie? What is that part? Crowe loves Stoltz. It's a great little scene, though. Yeah, but he was just hanging out. Crowe puts Stoltz in every movie. I know. He was just hanging out. Yeah. No, he wasn't an agent. He owned the joint that they were at or something. Oh, he's like a restaurant owner. He's so good as the mime in singles. Oh, yeah. Another one where they just squeeze him in. Yeah.

The Van Latham Award. Did this movie need more black people? No. I knew you were going to say that. No. Nope. Nah. These are white problems. And so... The Tidwell family is really good, though. They're well done. They're super good. Like, we... The representation is there. And also, you know what's interesting about it? Is...

If I really wanted to be, if you pull at the movie, there's also like a cultural lesson in the movie as Jerry comes to understand Rod Tidwell and as a person more and his relationship more.

and his wife and why at the beginning of the movie some people would look at her and go wow she's all up in jerry's face and it's a caricature of the role and all of that but at the end you see that she's like fighting for her family's survival yeah and everything that they're up against like the movie gets that part of it right which is interesting from from from cameron crowe i'm not it's interesting that it was so authentic to me that rang so true that's that guy word

Donald Logue? See that guy? I wrote Todd Luizzo. I have Todd Luizzo as well. Who's Todd Luizzo? He's also in High Fidelity. Oh, yeah. High Fidelity. I had Donald Logue too, but yeah, that guy. I feel like Donald Logue headlined a sitcom. He was in the Terriers. Yeah, he started that. What was it called? It was like a family. What was the name of the sitcom? It was Raising Your Kids or something on Fox. It was funny. I can't remember. It was funny. Yeah. Deion Waiters. I'll give you Kelly Preston, Jay Moore, The Manny, or Glenn Frey.

I gotta go J. Moore. I think he might be a hair too much for Dion. I don't think he is. He's really only in like three scenes. He's out of the movie. I think it's J. Moore too. As good as Preston is. A little sprinkle for Drake Bell. Like the whole movie kind of turns on Drake Bell and the fuck you that he delivers to Jerry at the beginning. I would have never known it was him if not for. Yeah. Yeah. Recasting couch. This movie is casted superbly. I was thinking though in 1996. Yeah.

This could have been an amazing Jalen Rose cameo, my guy. Like, either in the beginning or at the end in the Roy Firestone. He's on the nuggets at that point. He's famous. Just could have been a nice spot for my guy. Tony Romo or Chris Collinsworth for the director's commentary. What do you got, CR? The Divorce Women's Support Group, Jim! He's stepping into the lion's den! A lot of broken hearts in that room, Jim!

Seven concussions for Roger. I had six myself. I was thinking Collinsworth talking about Swenson. Oh, look at it. He's just threading the needle here. I think I was thinking of Collinsworth with Avery where he's like, oh, she does not want him to stop.

Don't you love that, Mike? She loves it, Al. Al, this gal. She's going to blow them Chicago style. Sorry, Chris Collinsworth. Half-assed internet research. This was the best-selling VHS tape of all time, which was not released by Disney. Wow. Oh, wow. Over 3 million copies sold during the first week of release. Fiscal media. Just at its peak. Still crushing. Late 90s. Just still crushing.

Uh, Lib Niki showed up one day on the set saying the human head weighs eight pounds and Crow thought it was hilarious. I thought you were going to say Lib Niki showed up one day on set on a bender. It's very possible. He's drunk as shit. The hit that knocked Tidwell out took 29 takes and three different stuntmen before they were happy with it. Regina King was really pregnant during the filming. And then, um, this is an interesting quote from Crow. He talked about how does Jerry Maguire find a conscience?

After him and Jim Brooks laid it all out and they started telling other sports agents about it and he says quote some of the sports agents that I pitched that idea to looked at me like are you crazy? We would never say anything like that and he goes that's when I knew we're on the right track from the reaction of the sports agents to the theme of the movie. He's like I've got it. And then apparently there were two mockumentaries in 2017 about this movie.

about Cushman and Rod Tidwell. And like what happened to them after? Yeah, I can give you info or we can keep moving. I want to know. One of them's about Cushman retired after four years due to a severe case of athlete's foot. And then Tidwell declined an even more lucrative contract, declared the Kwan was not there. And in the Tidwell thing, Van, adult Ray Boyd played by Lipnicki, inspired by Jerry and Rod Tidwell.

Started his own boxing gym. That's what I'm talking about. This is a mockumentary? This is on YouTube, apparently. And then the Dallas-Arizona game, Christmas Day, 1995, Monday Night Football. Dallas 37, Arizona 13. Two picks for Dave Craig. A fun guy to bet against in the 90s. Made a few wagers against that guy. He was no Swenson. Aikman threw for 350. Apex Mountain. So this movie, you could argue, has more apexes of the stars in it

than just about any movie we've done. Cuba Gooding. For sure. Renee Zellweger. This or Bridget Jones, yeah. Cameron Crowe. Sister Almost Famous. It's probably this, though. I think it's this. I think it's this. This is his biggest hit. Jerry O'Connell? Yeah. You guys really don't feel like, not to be argumentative, which I always am, you guys really don't feel like Cameron Crowe's Apex is Almost Famous? No.

Okay. It wasn't as big of a hit. It wasn't as big of a movie. It's got Tom Cruise in it. It's true. McGuire leads to Almost Famous. It seemed like Almost Famous was just more critically acclaimed. Critically darling and everybody talked about it. This movie did better and was a bigger deal. I also would dare say Almost Famous has a little bit of like a kind of like ringer bubble like it's the best movie ever but I don't know if it's always like

I'm just saying. No, no, no. I'm with it. I'm with it. But I was beating myself up. It's a good debate. I was beating myself up watching the movie, literally going... People still walk around saying, show me the money. I like this movie better than Almost Famous. This movie is better than Almost Famous to me, but I thought that people would be a little gun shy about saying it. Have we landed on Cruise? Well, I'm going to get to him at the end. Bonnie Hunt, yes.

Gifford, Michaels, and Deardorff as a threesome. I think this was Apex Mountain because they kind of all suck together. Gifford was kind of out of it. This is when I started to write my sports guy column and Gifford was just great for material. It's funny in the beginning of the game where he's like leading the play-by-play. I'm like, Al Michaels is right next to you. What are you doing? That's what they would do. And then they would bring in, Gifford was kind of the elder statesman who had set the game up. He'd be like, Shrake, Manow, somebody is...

so many memories weird that they did that yeah have you done renee zellweger yet is it we said yes okay nicky yes jay moore i think maybe yes yeah in a movie for sure probably roy firestone no question regina king no instead of the p bodies these what is it for cruise where did we land on this did we say a few good men

I mean, this is kind of the culmination of the 90s because it's, like you said, the fifth consecutive hundred million dollars. It's probably this because it's Mission Impossible and Jerry Maguire. I think in some ways this is an act of such pure movie stardom to be able to be like, I'm carrying this movie. The title is the character I play. It's not like a lawyer or an action movie. I'm not flying planes. I'm fucking talking and running and emoting.

for two hours. Like, this is a real testament to this guy's wattage. You know what the problem with it being his apex moment is to me? Is when you say Tom Cruise, for me, apex moment, when you say Tom Cruise, I don't think that most people think right away, Jerry Maguire.

like when you say Tom Cruise I don't think people think that I think they think Maverick they think they think Maverick probably first yeah so to me this might be the best I've ever the best Tom Cruise for me the most I've ever connected to Tom Cruise I don't

I don't know. I just, I have, but what if you combine it with mission impossible five months earlier and starting an action franchise? Cause honestly, career wise, this is a, this is apex. There's also two like absolute masterpiece movies still to this day. See our mission statements, apex mountain, Unabomber. Fair. Well, Unabomber is right around this time. This is what, uh,

You just said that so contemplatively, like you really considered it. And then you decided that now is the time to share. So Apex Mountain for manifestos is the Unabomber. You would call the Unabomber's mission statement. I think that had more legs than Jerry Maguire being like, we should charge less. I can't argue with that. Sports agents, eh.

How about... What is the apex mountain for sports agents? That is a good question. Probably David Falk and Michael Jordan. Oh, I was going to say... David Falk was like the most powerful person in the NBA. Boris, but yeah. Oh, Boris is a good one. Boris is up there. How about Cruz laughing in bed during a sex scene over actually having sex? This is a Tom Cruise move because they were like, nobody... People get weirded out when Tom Cruise acts. Nobody wants to see the Chicago style here. Yeah. How about bass fishing accidents?

Sure. Oh, his brother lost a leg. Yeah. The Cowboys, no. Hayden has brothers? Probably not. This is the apex bout for Arizona Cardinals, though. It actually, no, it's making this the Super Bowl. They had no fucking shot, though. Come on. They came down a little. They got screwed, I thought. They almost won. They should have won. Sad Springsteen song movie drops. We could either go with this or Philadelphia. Philadelphia. Philadelphia, yeah. All right. It's time. It's the fucking Super Bowl. I'm glad you're still here. Cruiser Hanks.

I mean, it's not close. It has to be Cruz. It's not close. Hanks was first choice. I actually don't think it's a great role for Tom Hanks. It's not. He's not slimy. I don't think he's a great role. And I don't think he's quite good looking enough. But you can make the argument that this now ends the debate.

If Cruise takes the role that was written for Hanks and is just like, this is now only because Hanks turned it down. I would say. Sloppy seconds, Tom Cruise. It is an interesting movie with Tom Hanks. I'd like to see Tom Hanks try this, but he already did something like this. Like Bonfire of the Vanities is a little bit of the same energy and he was a bad fit. He was too old. I think he's too old at this point. Yeah, he might be. Racehorse, Rock Band, Wrestler, Fantasy Team Name. Did you go the Kwan? That's what I wrote. Tidwells? It's good.

All right. I'm going to do this again. Pick a knits. The big game. Do it. Monday night football. Ben hasn't heard this. We did this the first time we talked about it. It's been a passion of mine for a long time. Monday night football game starts at nine Oh seven Eastern time, 1995 or 1996. That is seven Oh seven Phoenix time. I looked up the time of Monday night football games back then. It's about three 20 game ends. 10 30 range Phoenix time shower press conference Tidwell hug.

40 minutes at least. Yeah, I'm going to say 40. I'm going to say it's 1115 Phoenix time. Jerry leaves Rod with his phone, sprints out. He's got to get out. Football traffic. Are they in Glendale for this? No, they're not in Glendale. It's in, I think, Sun Devil Stadium. Okay. So they probably, I'm going to say traffic out of the game. Airport 1145, 12 range, Arizona time. Best case scenario. Best case scenario flight is...

1230 to 1245 AM. Like let's say 1230. We'll get the benefit of doubt. No TSA. He's just like running on runs on 1230. Now I looked up Southwest Phoenix to LA. The latest flight is 940 PM. So there's a nitpick right there. No flights go from Arizona after midnight to LA, whatever, uh, 90 minute flight time zone shift. Best case scenario. It's 1 AM Pacific time when he lands in LA. Mm-hmm.

Gets off the plane. She lives in Santa Monica. Cab, 25-minute ride. She lives in Manhattan Beach. So, plane, cab, 25-minute ride. Best case scenario, that's 30 minutes.

shows up and the divorce woman group is still going. 3 a.m.? It's 1.30 a.m. in our best case scenario. In L.A., we're born in bed. If it's 1.30, I could see them still being there. On a Monday. They would be fucking hammered. There's no way anybody's hanging out that late on a Monday night unless they are three sheets. They're like, we gotta wrap this up. Sally just shit all over herself. And Heather just threw up.

Yeah, there's no, no, 1.30 a.m. in the morning? Yeah, or they're like two bags deep into like a Coke binge. They're doing Coke at the- No, I'm just saying, like, there's no other way these guys are just like, let's talk about our feelings more at 1.30 a.m. It's a tremendous nitpick, but you guys seem really mad about it.

Well, it's not as bad as this one. Oh, no? Oh, here we go. Why would Denver want to trade up for Frank Cushman in 1996 when they had John fucking Elway? Come on. Why use Denver? Why use Denver? Again, we're right here. Sports movie consultant agency. San Diego makes perfect sense. San Diego is great. San Diego had Stan Humphries. Stan Humphries. He was a fucking mess. Fucked it off in the Super Bowl. Yeah. Was it just because they had the either all swim or surf line and they wanted to hold that? Skier surf. Skier surf, sorry. And then you have me and Chris.

Um, it's always really bothered me. Dorothy has a young kid and needs health benefits. I just don't feel like she's quitting. I agree. I feel like she's walking out. She's like, this guy's inspired me. I'm gone. Yeah. Especially after she's been widowed. What do you have for nitpicks? Well, first of all, they never let Jerry back in the office after sugar fires him.

The idea that he gets a full day to make phone calls. They're boxing his stuff up. Fuck that. Their badge doesn't work. They're escorting you home. And this one just jumped out at me this time. Did you notice that in the middle of the night in Miami, McGuire goes to the copy shop?

and it's slammed and it's people all over for it it's fucking packed it's 2am it's 2am bro I noticed it's 2am he goes in there and the guy's working and everybody's up in that bitch pre-internet you know why so everybody's just making zines they're on coke yeah no it's because of the incredible customer service from Jerry Cantrell I know manning the desk right Jerry Cantrell I see green yes in you yeah

The only other thing was just like, I don't feel like that hockey player's kid would be a fucking neurologist. He's just like, don't let my dad play. It's like, come on. Yeah, I don't feel like my son would do this now when he's 16 and a half. Wow. Yeah.

So, number one, would they have even fired Jerry over the memo? Would he have been fired? Yeah. You think so? Yeah, because it's... As Sean said, they're all sharks. I think also it's like, if you look at the memo and you think about it, it's more that he's having a breakdown. Yeah. More than like what he's suggesting. But if Jerry is...

Drew Rosenhaus, Lee Steinberg. If he's that type of powerful agent that we're led to believe that he is, you just cut bait with him. But Bob Sugar's taking his corner. I think that's the bigger thing. The game itself. Yeah. Shouldn't that have been like a playoff game? Or shouldn't that have been like in the Super Bowl? Well, they're trying to make the playoffs. Kind of was a playoff game because they've been so bad for 20 years. They say also that they had to win that game and next week's game to get into the playoffs. Yes.

It's the only things I thought about. Really, I don't have any nits. I love that. I have a couple more. A couple that you hit on earlier. No contract, signed contract from Cushman going into the draft is insane. Yeah. I know they need it for the storyline. And then Tidwell stats. So first class is what's wrong, buddy. It used to be a better meal. Now it's a better life. Just not true. Come on. A line that sounds great, but I just disagree with it. What do you disagree with? It is a better life?

I think at all points it was a better life. Like go watch a madman episode when they're in first class just fucking pounding drinks and grabbing stewardesses' asses. I think the difference is that coach was also pretty nice back then, right? Yeah, maybe. The famous line, you complete me in the elevator is actually incorrect in sign language apparently. The boyfriend said, you make me feel complete. And some sign language people were up in arms on sign language Reddit. Yeah.

You're a mod on there. What's it been like lately? A lot of CR heads there. I thought Rod may have invented the Lambo leap. So I did some research and apparently not. Okay. December 1993, Randy Jordan. At Lambo? Created it. Yeah. So there you go. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast or untouchable. Crow said in February 2021, he had been approached by

to making a sequel and felt like any continuation had to focus on Ron Tidwell and his life with Marcy. But at that point, that's 25 years later. I've said this a million times. I thought he missed a window of spinning off the Tidwells into a show. Late 90s HBO show. I think it would have crushed. It's a great idea. Should be a sequel. I got a prequel idea. What's the prequel? I want to learn more about Jerry and his family.

Right? His dad. And all that stuff like that. The show is called Barry McGuire. Fox? That's the show. Barry McGuire. Bravo? It's like a This Is Us. It's like a This Is Us style family drama that's going to end with the death of Jerry's father. Barry McGuire. Barry McGuire. I like it. It's the show.

My wife would watch four episodes of that. I think a prequel Jerry Maguire super agent movie would be awesome. My sequel is around that. It's called The Agency. And it's his new company. It's his new company and he's let his ambition get the worst of him. But his new mentee is Ray. And he's been working with Ray. And they're rising and rising. And

And they're in a final battle with their long-term nemesis, Bob Sugar, to secure the services of one Shohei Otani for the biggest contract in North American sports history. And then it turns out Ray has been stealing from Shohei. Yeah, he's been betting. He's got like $30 million. And Shohei's like, I need to have a catch with Ray to see how genuine you are. And Ray's like...

Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Sam Jackson, JT Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, Evil Laughing, Ramon Raymond, or Philip Baker Hall? I was thinking that Sam Jackson should play Bob Sugar. It's real! You should say something, motherfucker! And also just Bob Sugar, Sam Jackson doing all those phone calls would be unbelievable. That would be great. Yeah.

Harling May. Byron Mayo, would you throw him in there? Byron Mayo with the Divorce Women's Group. Chicago. Ladies! Byron Mayo's the lady? What if he was the mani? Just one Oscar who gets it will keep it good and got it.

If you only had to hand out one, would you do that that way again? No. Cruz? I would give it to Cruz, but also it's interesting because now Zellweger, Regina King. Everybody's got one. You know, they've all got one now and he doesn't have one. Nuts. Probably unanswerable questions. I was on a bunch of texts with Sally yesterday. What was the line on Cowboys Cardinals?

Cardinals are rolling at that point, right? But the Cowboys had won the championship, I think, the year before. Yeah, this Barry Switzer era. I guess 3.5. Cowboys by three and a half and Southside minus four. So I think we're somewhere in that neighborhood. Not sure which one. We'll never know. Fewer clients, less money. Is that really the answer, Sean? I don't think you're allowed to say the phrase less money in an agency. Yeah.

What was Avery's job? She, like, worked, I think, in marketing for the NFL. She was handing out shit, though. Yeah. She was literally putting shit on the table. Like, to me, it didn't seem like she was that big of a deal. It seemed like PR, I thought. But it's also, like, the 90s, so it's not, like, maybe it's still, like, a little bit of a small business. Yeah. Can I ask a question? Yeah. Did Rod Tidwell learn about his new contract from the TV host? Yes. Yes.

- What is that? Does that? - It was to create a moment. - They wanted to make him cry. - That's like insane. - But that would never ever happen. - Yeah. - Well, Jerry set it up. Before, when you look at the movie. - Oh, Jerry planned for it. - Yeah, to make him cry. - He says, "I'm not gonna cry." Then Roy Firestone says whatever. And then you see Jerry start to smile 'cause he knows he's about to tell about the contract and he's gonna cry. - Okay. - He's crying 'cause it wasn't enough money. It should have been like 18.2 million. What do you have for best double feature choice? - Moneyball.

I wrote The Apartment because that's the movie that inspired this movie. Collateral. Oh, yeah. Evil Tom. Black Friend. Black Friend. Yeah. Collateral. Yeah. Yo, homies, is that my briefcase? Yeah. I asked, I deferred my choice to my wife because she loves Jerry Maguire. And that was like double feature choice. And she said, For Mother's Day? Yeah. That's how I roll. She said, Bridget Jones's Diary or Love Actually would be her choice. So she thinks more rom-com than sports movie. Yeah.

The Indian Reds want an A award for what happened the next day. So we got multiple components of this. How long were Jerry and Dorothy actually married and did they have kids? Seven years, one kid. I wrote Dorothy and Jerry get pregnant is my answer. So I think they have at least one kid. Seven years, but then divorced? Divorced, yeah. It's a tough beat. It is. Look, don't feel bad for her. She's still like 34. She can find another one. She can go husband free. She's great. But Jerry gets Ray in the divorce.

I think they stay close, but it's never the same. Ray changes his last name. He gets adopted. Ray McGuire. Do you think that Dorothy had equity in the new company? I would hope so. I would hope so as well. Just left her job. How many points? There's nothing in paper, you know, like Jerry McGuire was a handshake business. Yeah. And then Tidwell, how did that play out?

Well, I was going to ask, like, sorry to go back to answerable questions, but, like, what's Jeremy's commission on Tidwell, like,

Jerry's not in the clear. It's not that much money. The idea is that Jerry's also going to sign other clients when they see Rod fucking crying in Jerry's arms. It's 5% of $11.2 million, but that's paid over the course of four years. And he was flying to every game. It's like $500K total. Yeah. It's like $100 something a year. I mean, it's money that they could really use, but it's not. Yeah, it's more about the fact. It's the stepping stone to him rebuilding his agency. And what's good for Rod is what's good for Jerry as well. So does Rod play out that entire contract?

Yeah. Or does he get concussed in the second year? Well, that's the thing. I think there's a world where it gets dark for Rod Tidwell. But then Rod becomes a celebrity, so I'm assuming that Rod gets more endorsements. Reality show. Reality show. The Tidwells does happen. The whole thing, and then Jerry and Rod are together forever. Yeah.

When Glenn Frey gets fired as GM and the next guy's like, this isn't my problem. Like, we're shipping you to Detroit. Rod has a podcast now where he's like, Patrick Mahomes is fucking terrible. Just like, hot takes going social. Also, Rod Tidwell was a classic. Rod Tidwell was a problem guy. You know, like people didn't know. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? I chose the au pair's Miles Davis, John Coltrane tape. Yeah.

Very funny scene of just like that soundtracking the sex scene. The door opening and him standing there like this while the Mingus is going. What do you have? Tidwell's Arizona State jersey.

I would have said the Tidwell jersey or in the office before Jerry got fired. There's an amazing Sean Kemp stand-up cutout that I stare at every time. I've never seen it on eBay. It's fantastic. What do you have, Van? I want the VHS of Jerry's bachelor party beatdown situation. Okay. Yeah. Coach Finstock award, best life lesson. It's not show friends. It's show business. That's it.

So you guys, after a two-hour podcast, have arrived at Bob Sugar was right. That's not the takeaway from the movie about how to live in the world, but it's the takeaway from you're a sports agent. Yeah. Like, what else is Bob Sugar supposed to do?

So we all think Cruise won the movie? Yes. Yeah. Nobody wants to make a Cuba Gooding case? No. Or a Crow case? Cameron Crowe gets to make basically an autobiography for a movie because of this movie. Is Vanilla Scott before or after? It's still Cruise, though. It's like five years after. Yeah. One of the reasons I think it's Cruise, we've talked about this on the pod a lot, but I just like when sometimes actors need to take roles like this. Just like, play the hits, man.

Just play a character that's close to you and just be a huge star. Yeah. You know? Oh, it's after. Oh, it's after, yeah. That advice does not go to Will Smith and Martin Lawrence for Bad Boys 4. Maybe I draw the line. You'll be there. No, I won't. Yes, you will. I won't. I'm upset it's happening. I'm also upset about Axl F. I'll tell you that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That one is going to be all-time bad.

Yeah. Sometimes... It's not like Cop 3 was so good, though. Cop 3 was terrible. Awful. Cop 3 was an abomination. Craig, Jerry Maguire, what'd you think? I've seen Jerry Maguire many times, but not in a while. It's just one of those movies where when it ends, I'm like, this is the best movie ever made. You're just like so on...

Because it's so rare that it hits like a sports movie. When Rod gets up in the end zone or when they hug in the locker room, you're ready to run through a wall. And then it ends with the romantic heartstring rom-com thing. So it's just so impressive that it's like a sports movie in a rom-com. I was ready to propose again and then also go to the gym. Yeah.

that would have been a great poster for it yeah but um yeah I don't know Crow is so good at all the little stuff like all the little human elements I love Cruz in the car or Jerry in the car trying to he's so pumped up he wants to sing but he can't find the song he keeps trying to get into the song he's like ah this one doesn't really hit and then he finds free falling like little stuff like that is so great but that's why that's why I think the movie really works because it's aware of itself yeah it's aware that in

every other movie he gets in and the perfect song is playing but the movie is saying hey this is melodrama but this is actually kind of real life so that doesn't happen in real life and then I'll finish with just like this is what the show Ballers should have been

Like, I wish they went way more like human beings, relationships, and less like were roided out. They leaned way too far into like the entourage party element of it. And I wanted more actual business, sports agents, relationships, all that stuff. That's why Tidwell is such an important character in this sports movie kind of legacy.

Because it goes wrong almost all the time. Ballers is a good example. Ballers suck. Ballers is terrible. It's bad. And most of the time these things go badly. I've only watched one episode of it. It wasn't for me. I didn't watch it. Didn't you recap Ballers for like three seasons? No. You didn't do that? Uh-uh. He was in the Fewer Pods Less Money. He definitely did not.

Um, all right, fellas, this was fun. Thanks for doing a live podcast here in the ringer movies. Thanks for watching YouTube channel produced by Craig Coralbeck as always subscribe. I had a great time. Thank you. Thanks Bill. That's it for the rewatchables. It was brought to you by the ringer podcast network. You can check out the ringer movies, YouTube channel. If you want to watch this entire episode, thanks to Craig Coralbeck for producing as always. And we will see you next week. We might even go back to the future again.