‘Back to the Future Part II’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Cousin Sal
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You said that at this table. Oh, I said that with CJ. CJ. One of my worst takes. CJ Stroud. I mean, yeah. One of my worst takes to the decade. It's fine. It's fine. Uh, you can hear cause the sound against all odds. Yeah. You can hear him in less than four months.

on my podcast because football's coming back is that right yeah less than four months i looked at it it's may 10th awesome opening night september 5th we'll be doing again we'll be doing over-unders in three and a half months this is very exciting mostly because i don't now don't have to call baby doll and ask if i was renewed or not it's great uh coming up we are going to do a sequel back to the future too yeah we had to have sal for this it's next

You've got to come back with me. Where? Back to the future. Marty and Doc are on a mission. 30 years into the future. Look what happened. We were stunned. But they're about to discover that getting back is a complete win. is only the beginning. Michael J. Fox, Christopher Lloyd, and Michael J. Fox. Mom, is that you? Back to the Future Part 2. Rated PG. A brand new future is coming on Wednesday, November 22nd. All right.

A movie filmed in 1989 about people in 1985 who traveled to 2015 and then 1955 to save life in 1985, but eventually end up in 1885. Yes. That's Back to the Future 2. It somehow makes sense. Yes, because it's quite an elevator pitch. There's more to it, we promise. I really enjoyed rewatching this. I hadn't seen it for a couple years. Seen it a bunch of times. It was on the HBO TNT Vortex for 15 years.

And I think because it gets lumped with Back to the Future 3, they filmed it together. They didn't do quite as well as the first one. Yeah. I actually think it's underrated now, Sal. I know why it's not underrated for you, but do you think it's underrated, Chris? It was much better than I remembered it. I really enjoy the Back to the Future movies in general, but I hadn't seen two in a while. I feel like I'd seen three, the Western one, a little bit more recently. But this was like...

This is pretty delightful. And all the 2015 stuff is uncanny at this point. Yeah. Yeah. 2015 now, nine years ago, that was a tumultuous year for a lot of reasons. The Cubs did not win the world series. So, but they almost did almost one year off, I think. But, uh,

Yeah. And in 2015, October 21st, we were in Brooklyn, Jimmy Kimmel Live, and we did a bit with Christopher Lloyd and Michael J. Fox commemorating this on that day. And they got together and I got to run lines with them. And the obvious reasons, this is one of my favorite movies of all time. That's like a borderline top 12 career highlight. That's fucking crazy. Oh my God. Amazing. Amazing crap. And then just like the time machine. I don't know what I'm waiting for. Let me just pull this out.

I got it. You brought props? I got it. Yeah! Oh my God, you got the almond! Wow! I got this. I think four people gave this to me on one of my birthdays. So it's like a reprint?

Yeah, but it's got like cricket scores and crap. I got giddy for a second, Chris, but nothing we could capitalize off of. Holy shit. When did you get that for your birthday? Probably like 10 years ago. I think I got more, but I try to give them to you guys. We'll put that here for now. Yeah, take that. Show that. Kind of being there. Yeah, but I gotta say this is one of my favorite movies. It gives me more anxiety than Blood Diamond, which is an inside reference, but I'll say I

I kind of hate you. Blood diamond makes you anxious? Well, it's some cowboy's PTSD. Yeah, I cry.

rewatchables is great the movie's great but i hate you guys for making me break this down and get through all the nitpicky moments of there's less because i'm coming from it from a different angle and it's like because there's 107 categories with uh what's the rudy tom janovich knockout scene that shouldn't happen that's a good one we should knock out yeah so anyway um i love it

CR, did this movie create the multiverse? Did anyone do it before? I think that obviously a lot of sci-fi writers have been working with the idea of butterfly effects and timelines and stuff like that. But I think even Carl Sagan was like, this movie does the best job of explaining the perils of time travel, at least philosophically and ethically.

High praise from Carl Sagan. One of the most dynamic guys who ever lived. A tough date. He's not just throwing praise around easily like that, you know? I think Tarantino once listed the perfect movies. He said there were like four perfect movies. And he said one, Back to the Future 1, was one of them. One of the perfect movies. And so maybe this is a little less perfect, but... Well, I mean, there's a lot of reasons for that. But...

one of the reasons you're here other than you love the back to the future franchise is the almanac which i don't know did this plant the seeds for you to be a degenerate gambler was this it without because what are you like how old are you when you see this movie i was like 14. yeah yeah i was already in you had already started to think about and then all of a sudden there's this

magic potion basically to just win every bet. Yeah. Oh, 18 when this came out. 14, right? Yeah. Yeah. And I don't even know how Marty flying over to the future isn't thinking about this before he even lays eyes on the great sports almanacs. Like this is like when I'm flying to Arizona and I could play FanDuel, I'm six parlays in before I hit the tarmac, you know? So I don't know. I guess we're just wired differently. So this is what I wanted to ask you guys. This is the major philosophical question here. Yeah.

In this movie, the MacGuffin, the totem of the movie is this sports almanac that Sal helpfully brought. You guys are two of the biggest gamblers I know. Yeah. Is there any part of this that's like,

knowing the results takes away some of the fun. Like would it take away the juice to just win every bet because you knew the results? Isn't the whole point to kind of trust your intuition, your like reams of research and thinking about all the different permutations. You want the answer. You want to cheat the test.

Well, I know Sal's answer because in round one, he stumbled on bet both teams minus nine and a half and he was winning like 80% of them. And I think he just would do it for the rest of his life. Yeah. You just want to win bets. I've seen enough games and permutations of games that I can, I'm good with this, but well, what's your answer for real? Well,

My short answer is not all the results are in the book. So you could still gamble on some other stuff. You could just get, use, build the nest egg with the ones you don't write to bet on the stuff that you don't know. So you could still get your, your Jones on that. I was going to do this later and probably an answer was, but we can do it now. What, how many games would you have to throw to keep people off the scent? What's the exact percentage you would want to, would you want to be like 75% what, what, before people get suspicious or think you're like a,

you know, like a fucking person from the future or literally, or you're practicing voodoo or something. What? Yeah. That's the whole other 70%. Right. So first of all, I don't know that I would benefit from this book. Okay. Like as a freshman in college, I had the answers to an American history exam. It was 200 true, false. And I got a C minus. Yeah.

So I like, I don't know. And also like, like Bill says, you have to be careful. Otherwise the casinos will shut you down. Like if you have this, who do you tell? Do you tell the two of us? I would probably tell my idiot friend, Harry. And they're like, see, I couldn't get in the door. I couldn't bet anyone. And then Chris, to your point, then it's the worst. Then you don't want it all. Cause now, you know, the results of all the games and you can't take away. Wouldn't it ruin sports?

Right. Yeah. You just get into like movies from the 1950s. It's Pacers, Knicks game three. And you're like, who cares? I know what's going to happen. Yeah. I think you have to handle it really carefully. Put a lot of thought. So he wins all the money in the races in 1958. And then from that point on, I think he's just picking his spots and trying to go like 17 for 20 every 20 bets, but big bets. Like I'm going to bet the Dodgers to win the world series and, you know, 1966, whatever it is. And yeah,

Did they win in 1966? That analogy might not have worked. I'll bet the Cardinals in 1967. They beat the Red Sox. I know the result of that year. And you win that and it's like, oh, wow, he did it again. He really likes Bob Gibson.

Right. And we're giving him a... He knew McCarver would really settle the pitching staff down. Yeah. And we... And the movie gives him a lot of credit for being able to thread this needle that we're talking about how we might not be able to. First of all, he strikes it big when he's 21. So he has...

his mitts on this thing for three years. This guy doesn't follow any rule in society, but he's like, you know what? I'm going to be cool. I'm not going to bet before I'm 21. And he does it and he pulls it off. And that's where he becomes a millionaire at the horse races and stuff. Well, and then how did he bet? So the horse racing is probably the easiest, but he would have, so we'd had to do like some 20 to 30 to one parlay. Yeah. Triple. Did they have those back in the fifties? Not a lot. Yeah, I guess. For big races they did. Yeah.

I thought it was interesting that it's the horse race he wins in the first. I have a lot of the gambling questions coming up. But like I just, the way that he does it, you're right. He would have to kind of throw a couple. Yeah. Or only bet like once a year. I'm coming in and I'm betting the Super Bowl and I'm betting the World Series and I'm betting the Kentucky Derby to just make it be like, this guy's just touched. He really knows what he's doing. Who knows? Not that many places to make those bets though. Right. Vegas is very early Vegas. Where else? Does Atlantic City even have

No, you're right. Sports gaming like that? He's working with... So he's got to do the Mafia and the Mafia just kills him after a while. Mafia's like, this guy's won 10 straight bets. We owe him $5 million. Kill him tonight. I think so. Yeah, like Binion's, he's in with Benny Binion and that's it. I don't know how else he does it.

But on the other hand, the intel isn't as good as like a Fandle has it now where they can be like, hey, keep an eye on this guy. Right. There's first. So maybe he could. Like what they did to Raheem. That's right. They just sniffed out Raheem and then a couple of football bats. Raheem's in back. You trip the John Tate Porter flag. Raheem, there's just people following him. Yeah. He dies probably by 1964. Right.

He probably bets on Cassius Clay to beat Sonny Liston. Wins that one and the mafia is like, take this dude out. I never want to see this dude again. Put a bullet in his head. Might have bet on the election with JFK. Is that in the book? Maybe not. No, it's a sports almanac. That's the thing. There would be so much you'd want to know outside of the Cubs winning. Well, the other unanswerable with this, we're jumping ahead because this is a good category, the nitpicks. But how did all the...

This is 50 years of stuff fitting in this magazine, basically. Yeah. Because even when you see the magazine, so you have, like it says, like football scores. I just don't feel like you'll have all the week-to-week stuff. No way. So maybe that would be, to answer your question from earlier, how would he have fun betting on this stuff? There's probably weeks from football and basketball as he's going along where he doesn't know what happened. Yeah. College basketball. Yeah.

baseball, maybe hockey wasn't even in there. Right. And they had, I think the original thought was they make it like 500 pages or at least thicker. Right. So it looks plausible, but it has to fit in and out of everybody's jacket on the windshield. It's got to be as careless as possible with it at all times to drive it. So I asked you guys from things that, this is actually the rare case where I sent the question ahead. I appreciated that. You're welcome.

Top five things from a movie you'd love to steal in real life and what the rankings are. And is this one of the five? So I wrote, I had four, but what did you have? Did you, what did you have for like your top three? Uh, I had the Holy grail from Indiana Jones. I had that as well. I got that. Eternal life. Now you are, you got to stay within the boundaries of the Alexandria or Alexandretta where you're like, can't go past the seal. Uh,

But I am under the impression that Sean Connery, they poured on the wound and he comes back to life and everything. So you just wait till you're really in need of that HGH shot. Would you pour that on Embiid or would you do it on yourself? If you had to pick. I think I'd do it on myself. So selfish. And then the other one that I had was...

Peter Brand's algorithm from Moneyball so that we never get advanced stats in baseball. I would steal the algorithm so that we just still just like, hey, he's just got to dig in and rub some dirt on it. Back to just arguing about Nomar versus G-Dart with no stats. Yeah. Nomar wants it more. It was more fun

back then yeah it really was i don't know how to do math it's cool that's a good one i hadn't thought of that what do you have sal i would say do you have the they live glasses this is in there they live glasses is up there definitely uh the raiders stuff um i don't know i i guess i i still don't know about the briefcase and and pulp fiction is i just could be affidavits that are lit up or something i have no why did it light up we never i guess we'll have to figure

In 2027? I don't even think this is the most sought after prop in this movie. Wouldn't you take the DeLorean, right? Oh, I was going to say the hoverboard. Oh, yeah. You take the pink hoverboard? Oh, the hoverboard's great, too.

Yeah. Yeah. Pretty sick. But you're not going to get to 1885 and the hoverboard. Like you can go to any time. Like, like Bill, you like Rome. Oh, you would have loved Rome in 1912. Like it would have been so much. The DeLorean is a great answer. I think that the DeLorean though requires a lot of maintenance that I wouldn't have to wear with all the dues. So I would, I would be the guy who gets stuck in the great depression. Interesting. Chris would be on his hoverboard going around LA and some homeless person would just throw a beer bottle at him and knock him off. He'd be dead. Um,

My number one, all great choices. The Limitless pill to me is number one. You bring this up a lot. Didn't you just bring this up about Carl Anthony Towns? Like the other day you were like, he's on the Limitless pill. I was talking about Edwards. How everything slowed down for Edwards. Yeah. Yeah, I was doing the analogy of Cooper at the end of that movie with De Niro. Awesome. It's like, there's going to be a car accident right over there. The guy's going to look at his phone and the car crashes and De Niro's like, what the fuck's going on? He's like, I see everything, Carl.

I would love the limitless pill because I feel like you could also use that for gambling. So I basically get the greatest sports. That's right. I could just assess games. I have an IQ of like two 20.

And the mental energy to just watch seven games at once. I'm crushing the playoffs. The only thing with the limitless pill is the first thing you have to do is immediately start making more limitless pills. And that you will now have an addiction to the limitless pill. That's fine. Okay. It's like the movie YouTube channel ringer and the basketball YouTube channel ringer. That would be your life. You just got to have a lot of YouTube channels. Yeah. Let me throw in a wild card. The salad in When Harry Met Sally.

uh the orgasm matt meg those are noises i haven't heard in years you might want that or the pill um so how would you handle the almanac you're not telling anybody you'd have to tell harry i don't think you can i don't think you could tell anybody secretive you wouldn't want to be friends with me because i i think i would ruin the games for you you want to see the results

We'd be watching a lot of preseason because there wasn't the almanac. This would just be incredible for Guess the Lines. You would get so fucking mad. Maybe you're right. Maybe you're wrong. I don't know, Bill. I'd just be reading Sal's face. Do you think you'd quit Guess the Lines if you were just like, that's it. I don't want to do this anymore. Well, if Sal knew all the answers, we'd have to quit Guess the Lines. I would still lose Guess the Lines somehow to you. Even knowing everything. So I was like, I have the week one results. I'm still losing. Things this movie predicted in the future.

Rejuvenation clinics. They have those now. Yeah. Holograms that come out like that Jaws 19 hologram. That was great. We have versions of that. We had dead Tupac on a stage at Coachella. The scenery channel, which seemed like kind of a goofy thing to have in the movie, but now people have those, right? It's they'll just like a TV like that. Yeah. And it's just like, it's showing like the Niagara Falls. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

FaceTime video chat systems. So I always thought Total Recall created this, but Total Recall is a year after. The concept of just dialing somebody up on your giant TV and talking to them. I don't know if that had been in a movie before this movie. Yeah, they also do when Marty's kid comes home, Marty Jr.,

he turns on six different channels at once, which is basically like, I'm going to have my phone, I'm going to have my iPad, and I'm going to have TV. You're doing that now. Yeah, Ben Simmons did that last night when he came home. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that was meant in the movie to be this funny thing about how chaotic the future would be. And I watched it, I'm like, oh, that looks like Tuesday night in Ben's room. Well, the funny thing is, so Robert Zemeckis, the director, was like, I really didn't want to do much stuff in the future because I find that most movies that try to predict the future are,

you know, are basically like so off that it winds up dating the film. Yeah. And instead he fucking nailed it. Like in some ways, like if they had spent more time in 2015 in this movie, it would have been, I,

I would have loved it because like he got so much of it right. I mean, there's even also like with Jaws 19 and like just all the franchising of culture, having Michael Jackson and Richard Nixon and, you know, Ayatollah Khomeini and Ronald Reagan in the diner or whatever, like as waiters, you know, like all this stuff, the idea of like taking our nostalgia and selling it back to us. Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

ubiquitous cameras that's in there. Unmind flying, unmanned flying drones. I don't think we'd ever consider that in 1989. Uh, the flat panel TVs. I feel like we probably felt like that was coming, but they'd certainly didn't exist in 1989. Hands-free video games. I don't think I'd ever thought about that before this movie where like, I forget when the, we came to be like mid two thousands, um, wearable technology. This movie has that, uh,

Fingerprint scanner. Yeah. Payment on personal devices. We didn't have that in 1989. And then the self-leasing Nikes. I feel like they have those now, right? Well, they did the mags, the Nike mags, and I think they go for like 30 grand now. So they did a limited edition of them. I don't know if they... So what's the most impressive prediction you sell out of all those things I listed?

I think the hologram would be like, what the hell? What are we even looking at? I'd love to see the Jaws 19 one where it actually scares the crap out of you. I think we need to work harder on that. But I do feel bad. The flying cars, to your point, I think he had to put that in there, but it really is so far off. Yeah, but we have automated self-driving cars. We're probably not that far from...

In your lifetime, there will be flying cars. There'll be so many accidents. So many. And such a far... Yeah, the cars would have to bounce when they fell. Yeah, I had four biggest misses. Flying cars, hoverboards. We still don't have those, although we do have those weird segues. Self-drying jackets? Never seen that. Good idea.

Automatic dog walkers sounds great. Like, sign me up if we can ever figure out that piece. Because we have those little things that deliver, those little delivery rats. Isn't it the whole ritual for you is to go take the dog for a three-hour walk after a Celtics loss? I can't take Murph anywhere. Murph's angry. Really? Yeah, he's COVID damaged.

Doesn't really like people that much. Murph has PTSD from the pandemic. We didn't socialize him enough. He hates everybody. First angry golden retriever. Get them together with Einstein in this movie. Hydrated pizza? Yeah. You would have probably had the Black & Decker hydrator. I think for everybody, for the kids, right? Yeah. Just on the road. You cannot make dinner quick enough for the kids. It's a funny bit when she's got the little bag in there. We're never going to be able to eat all that. Right. I feel like they could have done mac and cheese too for that. Yep. Mm-hmm.

It could have been chicken nuggets. I could have had more food. And then the other mess was the Cubs winning the 2015 world series against the Miami Gators who did not exist in 1989, but had them in the American league. So that was a mess. And then I kind of liked the Miami Gators as a name, but that was pretty strong. They should change it. Yeah. Maybe like 1200 people show up. Yeah. Bump it up another hundred. So Chris had gator culture. You like that? Yeah.

Gator culture. Zemeckis only agreed to do the sequel if Fox and Lloyd returned as well. And then, as Chris mentioned, did not want to make it Blade Runner-y. Wanted to make it fun and more goofy. It's kind of like more Epcot Center meets a shopping mall. Yeah. That said, for a sequel, this has, I think, the most...

not unreturning, not returning, like, you know, second level cast members. They lost a couple of the actors through negotiations and other things in the process. But I remember, you know, at the end of Back to the Future 1, it says to be continued, right? Like, there is like an illusion to the idea that there's going to be a sequel. Right.

But one of the things that's funny about two is that they shot it in conjunction with three. They shot it and like, there's great stuff. By the way, me and Sal, our generation was very aware they were filming the two movies simultaneously. And I'm not really sure how we knew that. No, I don't know. But I definitely knew they were making that. Maybe Michael J. Fox mentioned it on Letterman or something. Yeah, and he was also making Family Ties during this. Yeah, absolutely. It was one of the all-time like,

Tom Thibodeau salutes Michael J. Fox for playing 48 Minutes. He's shooting Family Ties during the day and Back to the Future at night and making two Back to the Future movies back to back. For like a year. Yeah, and when you get to the end of Back to the Future 2, it ends with a trailer for Back to the Future 3. And that was the first time when I saw this in the theaters, I remember being like,

Well, that was the recurring theme of that reaction. Everybody was like, what the fuck? This isn't, what? Yeah, and one is so perfect. It's like a perfect little box. He fixes the future by fixing the past. He's got his girl. He's got his truck. It's perfect. And then there's like, oh yeah, he's going to go running off into the future or past again, like Doc is.

So this is the first experience I had with being like, man, maybe I don't know if I want more of this. Like I, I, and especially at the end of two, you're like,

So now he has to go back to the past. Now he has to go to the West. It's the anti-Sopranos, right? Yeah. They should have met in the middle somewhere. Sopranos fades to black. Like, no, maybe you want more. And this is like, oh, hold on a second. Let me just take this movie in before we go to 1885 and meet Biff's terrible Western version of himself. Do you like three or no?

I like two more than three. Yeah. I'm not a huge fan of three. Yeah. I can't remember the last time I watched one. You hate Steenburgen. You always hated Steenburgen. I just thought the Wild West, it's like, I always felt like it's corny when they try to put stuff in there. There's something kind of childlike about the sequels to me where they don't really feel like stories. They're like continuing adventures of these characters doing time travel stuff. But one is like,

I need like what if I could help my parents you know what if I could save my parents somehow yeah make their lives better by going back and changing at this one crucial moment and instead when you keep adding on to it it's like well that is every every moment somehow crucial like if you fix this and you fix that you fix this but then this this and this happens which is probably accurate to the ideas of time travel but for storytelling it's like you want the idea that like your dad is

has to punch Biff at the dance. And that's how like his life changes. That was the hinge moment of his life. Yeah. Also when Marty created rock and roll. That's right. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I do like how, going back to going from one movie to the other to the other, like how important it was to pick it up right where one and two, like Marty has been through. It's like, oh my God, I'm exhausted. I've been through the equivalent of a thousand red eyes. And Doc Brown has to fly right in at that moment. He's like, can we do this in like three days? I know. Can I just catch my breath? I haven't taken a dump since last week. I just gotta take a dump. I mean, you're getting dehydrated. Ten minutes. Ten minutes.

And by the way, can you just tell me what to do? Do we have to travel? We have one ending where they're handing a letter. Read this in 30 years. But I have to jump on with my girlfriend and travel back?

Ebert said that only Russ Meyer was the only other filmmaker by this point in 1989 who ended a movie with a coming attractions for the next movie, but people didn't like it. It made people mad. And the third movie didn't do nearly as well as the second movie, which didn't do as well as the first movie. They, uh, there's some good research in this about how they landed on going back to 1955. Initially it was supposed to be 1967, uh,

they decided they were going to be protesters they decided that didn't work well it was also because uh georgia and lorraine would have been too old to be yeah hippies um they decided on 55 crispin glover we'll get to later um starts hijacking them for for money that gets up all of a sudden now they they do 85 in 2015 and then the end going back and um

As Chris said, he wanted to make the future a nicer, goofier, happy place, not a crazy place. The writer of this movie, I think his, what's his name? Bob Gale. Bob Gale.

He said they took inspiration from Donald Trump for 1985 Biff. What? Yeah. I knew it was some kind of casino owner, abhorrent, you know, just braggart tyrant, but I thought Steve Wynn. Yeah. I figured they voted Trump. One of the Fertittas. No. How many movies has Trump somehow... I mean, it's Home Alone 2. I mean, like, yeah. I feel like this is the fifth one we've done. The other thing is they had...

and it just doesn't seem like a big deal now, but it was then that industrial light magic with the ability to put Michael J. Fox three different ways in the same scene. Yeah, right, right. Until 1989, if I'm doing a scene with Sal, but Sal's playing me, doing my voice, you want to do my voice? Okay, all right. Sal, they would have to cut it, film it. They would have had to like chop. Make like a tree. Right. Nobody calls me chicken. Right. So,

So then they just were able to do this so much easier after this. And that's where we went. Michael J. Fox, it's almost over here for him as a movie star. He had Casualties of War came out one month earlier with the John Penn, Brian De Palma, good Vietnam movie. Not a feel-good movie. No. And then he had this and three.

We're about a year and a half away from Doc Hollywood in the Hardway Cell. And then it kind of does this. I think he gets the MS diagnosis at some point. Yeah, that probably has something to do with it. He goes back to TV for a while, right? But he keeps that secret, goes back to Spin City. But this is... This is before he was diagnosed, and there's talk about how he couldn't negotiate the hoverboard because of the early stages. Yeah, but they didn't realize what it was. Right.

I mean, this is a nitpick. I'll just do it. He's too old in this movie. And so is Elizabeth Shue. Like it's all of a sudden the 90210 theory of like, you guys are sophomores in college, but Ian Ziering's 35. It may have made sense if they had just been like it. Yeah. It should have been Marty is in UCLA or whatever. Yeah. I would have fast forwarded it. Or even like he could have been a young adult. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

I think that would have been a better idea, but they, Zemeckis was so adamant about starting it from the moment. Right. That it took off that he recast, they had to recast Claudia Wells. Yeah. Is that her name? Yeah. Um, it's Jennifer with Elizabeth shoe and they do a shot by shot.

remake of the ending for part two. Yeah, well, the last 30 minutes is just the end of Back to the Future reshot from different characters' POVs. Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if Zemeckis would do that over again. Well, so the Fox point, you're just up against the thing that I think also kind of happened to Matthew Broderick where, and to some extent, yeah, I think I would leave it at those two more. And Craig. I was going to say Cusack, but Cusack goes deeper into his late 20s and early 30s.

of just like you have this essential boyish charm. And as you grow out of it and probably make different choices for the kind of movies you're doing, you know, obviously you've got a legion of actors coming up behind you who are doing the Ferris Bueller and Marty McFly parts now.

And they just never graduate into the angry young man, middle-aged man kind of roles. And obviously Fox's illness had a lot to do with that. But he, I think was also, he also looked young and he was, yeah. Yeah. But you also, you have to, that's why you have to shoot these quickly. Right? Like if there was a Ferris Bueller sequel, they're like, all right, let's get on this now. He's going to, he's going to start looking older. And those kids are like, you know, yeah. They look like stranger things. A great example. You, uh, euphoria is another good example. Yeah.

where there's just no way those kids can be in high school now. They're in their late 20s now. All that said, and everything he's been through, Michael J. Fox, he looks better. The 2015 Michael J. Fox, the actual Michael J. Fox, looks better than Marty McFly in 2015. They age him and he's great and everything else. The aging stuff looks pretty good. I like the Cusack point.

Because he was in high school movies in like 1982. And then in Say Anything, he's back in high school in 1989. That was just the era where we just cheated with stuff like that. Well, Grease made it all open up. Jeff Conaway. 33-year-old seniors in high school. True stalker chanting. $40 million budget made $332 million. Third highest grossing movie of 1989, which was a movie year that was super fun and also...

a good kind of snapshot of where movies were going. A lot of sequels, a lot of big specs go with a lot of promotion and maybe the script wasn't there. This is, I think the year, maybe another 48 hours this year or next year is Fletch 2. And they were making this and it's like Bob Gale's finishing two while Zemeckis is writing, is shooting three. It's like kind of what you see a lot with like

big blockbusters today where it's like, look, we got these actors for this window. We got to do it. We'll fix the script while we're doing it. We'll fix the script in post. We'll fix the script. And you know, I was missing in 1989 cocaine. It's like in 83, you could do it. Tell Bob, like send him a, send him a bag and he can, could they show Biff doing a line in the hot tub and they're in a hot tub scene or something. He should in them. Tony Montana. Yeah. Roger Ebert, three stars.

Back to the Future Part 2 is an exercise in goofiness. An excursion into various versions of the past and future is so baffling, even the characters are constantly trying to explain it to each other. He had some complaints and then said, and yet the movie is fun.

mostly because it's so screwy. Yeah, they have these pretty long expository scenes all the way down to having a chalkboard to explain time travel. But then all the action scenes and all the comedy is basically like Buster Keaton. It's like almost slapstick comedy like that. Which I kind of miss. We'll get to the rewatchables after the break, but that whole 20-minute sequence of him just trying to get the magazine back, I feel like they don't do that enough in movies anymore.

It's like, oh man, he's got, oh, he almost got, oh. Now he's stuck under the desk. Oh, that was in the car. And I know it's going to happen, but the whole time I'm like, oh. All right, let's take a break and then we'll do rewatchable scenes.

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Would you put the shot by shot remake of the ending? Cause I would not. Oh yeah. You would? Yeah. The last half hour of this where it recreates back to the future. No, no. I'm saying at the beginning of the movie. Oh, at the beginning of the movie. Oh, uh, not really. No. Yeah. I wouldn't either. I started with, uh,

Marty putting on the self-lacing Nikes, which gives us, you get to see downtown Hill Valley in 1985. He had to see Biff's grandpa. The nostalgia store with the Perrier. Yeah. The cafe 80s, which is hilarious. Two McFly's in the cafe 80s.

We got a hoverboard chase, really strong seven minutes though. Specifically, I thought the cafe 80s was great, but I also love that stuff. You brought up Khomeini and Reagan and MJ or Waiters and just the video game. We see Elijah Wood as a kid. Yeah. And Marty, most importantly in that scene, the, hey, Griff, look, doesn't work. What did you call me, Griff?

Chicken! McFly! Nobody calls me Chicken.

It's like the crane kick in Kid 2. Like, oh boy, what do we do now? This is not happening. Do you do that to you? When did your sons realize that you were tricking them? They do it to me now. I did that to Ben for four years. I'd be like, what'd you get on your shirt? He'd look down and, yeah, just stop working around age 11. Right. It'll be one of the reasons he puts me in a home. The Cafe 80s.

I was going to do this later, but we have so much for later. I'll do it now. I just don't know why there's, why did we get bubble gum shrimp company and all that? Like, why didn't we get cafe 80s? How is that not a chain restaurant? I'm kind of shocked. Cause what the fuck is everyone doing? You have the waitstaff could be dressed like in cool 80s clothes. You would have like, kind of like maybe you have like throwback soft drinks.

And they just serve cheeseburgers and pizza. Like, what's the hard part about this? Why Johnny Rockets? Why did Johnny Rockets sail up into the sky, but Cafe 80s just died? You wouldn't have gone to Cafe 80s in Manhattan Beach? I would go. I would go right now. I took the kids to Cafe 80s last night. We would do this from Cafe 80s. We would do the rewatchables. Playing Duran Duran, drinking a Pepsi, you know? Yeah. Can we, we could, by the way, Bill, you could open a Cafe 80s. Want me to do it? All right, fine. Yeah, just do it. We'll talk after.

I really enjoy this seven, eight minutes though. And also like Zemeckis, they spent two years building the different sets. Your 80s cafe may be a little bit different than most people. Yeah, probably. Johnny Marr would have been in there. People would be like, who's that? Is this a shrine to Len Bias? What is this? Why is Letterman and Chris Elliott two of the waiters? Bruce Jenner. Rewatchable. Next one.

Marty buys the greatest sports almanac. It's not a long scene. Yeah. But it's great. You see the dust jacket stuff. Go get it. Go get it. And then Doc just fucking cock box it. I didn't invent the time machine for financial gain.

What's this? Uh, it's a souvenir. 50 years of sports statistics. Hardly recreational reading material, Marty. Well, hey, Doc, and what's the harm in bringing back a little info on the future? You know, maybe we could place a couple bets. Marty! I didn't invent the time machine for financial gain. The intent here is to gain a clear perception of humanity. Where we've been, where we're going, the pitfalls and the possibilities, the perils and the promise. Perhaps even an answer to that universal question.

Hey, Doc, I'm all for that. What's wrong with making a few bucks on the side? I am going to put this in the trash. Settle down, Doc. Right. Like maybe get some friends your own age. DeLoreans don't buy themselves, man. Yeah. And then they save, knocked out Jennifer, who I have some thoughts on in different categories. Next scene, Marty returns to 1985. His house is gone. We get to meet Biff Tanner's pleasure paradise. Yeah.

This version of the future is from what I could tell, bikers, strippers, casinos, and gambling. Is this your favorite version of the future we've had? It's just a mess. It's car crashes and fires and fights. Actually, they shot it three blocks from the Spotify studio two days ago. Three blocks? Yeah. Forty feet. Right outside this office. Yeah.

Yeah, it's pretty great. It's funny that the bum is the only one who's not affected from life to life. That's right. It's the only one in the whole movie. It doesn't matter what the hell happens. So we learned Biffco created legalized gambling. Yeah. Great job by him. Very smart. Yeah. And then got bought by Paddy Power. Merged with Fando Sportsbook. Next scene, Marty confronts Biff about the almanac. November 12th, 1955. That was when? November 12th, 1955. That was the day that went back that...

That's where we get it. We go into the casino, we get the safe.

Biff, this is probably the best version of Biff of all the Biffs we get in this movie. There's a couple, I thought 1985 or 2015 Biff kind of

dialed it up yeah i was gonna save that for overacting yeah yeah i think it was pretty clear it was pretty annoying yeah pretty clear who's winning the overacting but though in this he goes back to he's like i'll find it we got we must find out what the precise date where he was handed the almanac is biff smart enough to remember the precise date that was october 12th like yeah i don't know it was a freaking uh saturday right september 55 what the hell do i know yeah that whole scene with marty and biv where he's like all right you know your history i'm

Just like, this is the kind of guy who would care. By the way, he was four. If you do the math, when George was murdered, he was four years old, Marty, when he told the story about Biff and the manure. Right. It's like, oh yeah, I remember that. How do you, where do you stand on Marty ascending to the top of a very dangerous building?

the DeLoreans hovering underneath and just kind of, it's a great move. Casually dropping. Yeah. Like you really have to have some, like, I don't know if David Blaine tries that. I think of people that would do that. You really have to be coordinated. Hell of a way to open your cafe 80s is to have David Blaine recreate the Marty McFly fall off the roof onto the DeLorean. That's good.

That's good. I would be scared to do that if the DeLorean was four feet below and I had to just jump, but he did it perfectly. Well, yeah, I think our friend Brad would do it, but only by accident. Just like a spiral off the roof. But you also have to consider that there's like a lot of attempted murder going on with Biff's lovable character. Also a lot of confessing to murder. This is the same gun that killed your dad. Right. Yeah.

Biff showing young Biff the almanac's power. I'd say it's all over for UCLA. Bet you a million bucks UCLA wins it 19-17. What are you deaf, old man? He just said it was over. You lost. Oh, yeah. Here comes Decker with a kick. It's up. It looks good, folks. It looks very good. Field goal. UCLA wins 19-17. Listen to that Coliseum pronto. Jim Decker.

All right, pops, what's the gag? How did you know what the score was going to be? I told you it's in this book. All you got to do is bet on the winner and you'll never lose. With the UCLA 1917 game, Jim Decker with the winning field goal. That was a real game. Sal in a previous life had the other team, Lang 2, lost that one. Come on, you heard. The guy said it's over. What are you talking about? The two docs interacting is short but super fun. I presume...

You're conducting some sort of weather experiment. That's right. How did you know that? Oh, I happen to have had a little experience in this area. Yes. Well, I'm hoping to see some lightning tonight, although the weatherman says there's not gonna be any rain. Well, there's gonna be plenty of rain, all right. Winds, thunder, lightning. There'll be one hell of a storm. Well, thanks. Nice talking to you. Maybe we'll bump into each other sometime again in the future. Or in the past.

When he shows up and he's got to pretend. I was like when people... Because they had already established you don't want to see each other. But in Back to the Future 1, apparently in that scene...

there is a guy walking down the street. Which they said wasn't intentional. It was not intentional, but they took advantage. They never thought they were doing a sequel. Really, really smart idea. All right, but Doc, who is such a rule follower in this thing, like, no, we must not break the continuum, time continuum. Oh, if Jennifer, she's her future self, she's going to go crazy. There's two options here. He's practically nose to nose with the other guy. Yeah, he's basically like helping the guy invent time travel. He's not playing it safe, right? I liked your Doc voice. That was pretty solid. Run for it, Marty. Marty trying to get the almanac back.

from Biff and Strickland and Biff's car, which also has the recreating the original prom sequence, a good car chase, a great 15 minutes. I think this is my favorite part of the movie. Really? Yeah, I'm going to go with this for most rewatchable. Yeah, I got this for most rewatchable too. It's just really good. It's just really good. It's also like...

you know, there's a degree of like almost necrophilia to like revisiting it and everything, but like to do it so creatively and have like scenes from back to the future, which by this point is like by 89 back to the future is like kind of a classic. Oh, it's an iconic 80s movie. And to have it be like,

Oh, like what if like we're shooting it from the perspective of like behind the car where this is all happening or from a window across the courtyard from where this is all happening. It's so inventive. I feel like it was on HBO for like three straight years back to the future. Yeah, that's why by the time this came out, we knew all the beats of that dance scene. And even now watching it, I couldn't figure out how much was.

knew how much was old, how they merged it. Right. So when you see Crispin Glover in the telescope type thing, what was that? Did they have to redo it? Did they have other shots when he's playing guitar? Were they using shots from the first movie? Was that generally well-received in the moment? Were people okay with them going back and re-tinkering with a classic? Were people upset about that? I think there seemed to be general disappointment in...

That they basically redid Back to the Future 1 and then the closing credits, I think, were the two things. Yeah, and I think that this is like, that would be something, I mean, they do this in the Avengers Affinity War and Endgame when they're jumping around time. Like, they reshoot classic Marvel scenes from those perspectives. Like,

It became standard to do that. But at the time, I think it was like, wow. So like, but this was like, actually, you got to remember, like the Star Wars movies, the Raiders movies, this was our first real experience, I think, with like in the moment. Yeah, you're right. The idea that the story would you'd have to wait a year or two to wait to get the end of the story. You know what else I noticed? I went back through because I have all the premier magazines from 89 to 90 and they never did a back to the future two or three feature.

but they had this michael j fox was on the cover of the november 89 one for casualties of war and it kind of alludes back to the future but it it corroborated some of the research which is that they tried to keep this so secret what was going to happen and not spill too much that i think it actually kind of backfired on them because then when people saw it they had no idea that it was basically just a two-part movie right and i think that was our reaction when we saw in the theater too it's like

I don't know what I thought Back to the Future 3 was going to be, but I didn't know it was like basically a seven-month intermission. Yeah. And it was a two-part movie. I think people were disappointed. And it was a love story. You know? Yeah. We kind of avoided that part of it. But by the way, if you guys say this is your favorite scene, they cut a few minutes out of that where Strickland goes back to the office. He is furiously masturbating to Ooh La La Madness. Right. And they took that out. Yeah.

You didn't see that part? We got the directors. They had NC-17 back then, but they said it was a hard R. That was when Byron Mayo was going to come into this. Marty's under the desk. Oh, no. Principal Strickland. Get out the Luberdum. Put your smacker away. What's aged the best?

What was your favorite scene then? You didn't tell us. Most rewatchable for you. No, I said the 80s cap. There's one I just want to throw out there that's really good is the failed future McFly's. So, like, that's the Pizza Hut. That's Michael J. Fox playing his father, himself, his son, and then his sister. Sister. Which is, I was like,

I learned that last night. I was like, all right. It's coming up in a category. So I thought I really enjoyed it. And that's got like the descending fruit tray and everything. Descending fruit tray is fun. Yeah. I didn't have that. Yeah, you're right. That should be in there. Although the idea of kids calling for fruit at dinner. That was pretty funny. Yeah.

That freaking thing would rot in the top of my head. Oh my God. It'd be in such bad shape. I've had cantaloupe up there since April. Come on, you gotta have some. Woodstage the best. All the guesses about the future we mentioned. Any movie that starts with Steven Spielberg presents, it has my attention. So October 2015, Marty goes back to the future in this movie.

We did the first episode of the Bill Simmons podcast, October 1st, 2015, that month. Yeah. No way. Yeah. Probably just a coincidence. That was when we launched. That was when you and Greenwald started doing the watch. We started cranking. Yeah. Yeah. Started cranking out the Ringer Podcast Network. Back to the Future 4. I would say almost definitely a coincidence. Let's do it. Yeah. Probably. Alan Silvestri's score. I had this.

This was actually, I think. This was the background music for the Universal Studios. Oh, yeah. Backlot tour in Florida. Yeah. And so, like, I just would hear this when I would go to that, like, for 12 hours. Um.

This is going to sound funny to be at what stage the best, but the lack of chemistry, sexual tension, or really any reason for Elizabeth Shue and Michael J. Fox to be together is hilarious. They also tranquilize her after 45 seconds. I have no idea why she's in this movie, why she took the part. All she does is basically sit next to them for a little bit and then pass out. We think that these movies are so carefully orchestrated and planned. So much about it is so well-crafted, but Bob Zemeckis was like,

Yeah, if I had thought about it for more than five minutes, I probably wouldn't have started the next second. Yeah. Right. I wouldn't have had Jennifer get into the car. Yeah. And by the way, very, very, I don't know. Again, the stickler to rules and the three of them, they're in there. No seatbelt, lapping it together. Right. Not good. And I think he brings it up to Doc later on. He's like, why do we even bring Jennifer? He actually has to say that. He's like, I have to do something. Yeah. Right. Zemeckis said,

the only films he liked that tried to predict the future were stanley kubrick yeah 2000 clockwork right so he decided to make it funny which i think is a wood stage the best because i just don't think anybody ever thinks to do it they showed marty putty on the nike air mag tennis shoes um well hyper dunk supreme came out july 2008 fans immediately dubbed them the air mcfly

And they filed a patent for self-lacing shoes in 2009. So that whole idea aged really well and made Nike money somehow. The Jaws 19 trailer I have for what's aged the best. The oceans are disappearing. And to save their home, the sharks must attack. This time it's really, really personal. Really good. What else do you have? Somebody actually went through and teased out what all 19 Jaws movies would have been about. And a lot of them were kind of Rocky movies, basically. Like Russian shark versus American shark. I have the Alvin Silvestri scores, what aged the best.

Did you have Max Spielberg directing the show? Oh, yeah. I had, I think you hit on it. Well, first of all, Michael J. Fox aged the best because like I said, in 2015, he looked better than what they portrayed him to be. I think the jokes still hold. All the future jokes like, oh man, well, it's all in the past. No, it's in our future. I still get it. And I love the terminology. I still love slacker. I really think slacker, we should use it more. It should replace the R word.

And I think we'd be okay with it. Yeah. It's just as good, you know? I like it. Good note. Good note, Sal. Thank you.

Great Shaq order award. What would you have? Most cinematic Shaq, Chris? I just had all this stuff with the hoverboard. Because when you go and look... The hoverboard getaway as a sequence, but especially the shots behind the hoverboard racing, and it's racing with him. And the fact that half of that was practical, and they built these harnesses to swing guys around on, it's just like, man, we used to really make shit. I really like...

I don't know where to put this. I should have put it in what stage the best, but the shot when the guy's hanging on the car and they look up and like the tunnels coming and you're just going to get decapitated unless you figure out. That's a big rate. I don't think that's ever not worked fast and furious. It's done a few times.

Den of Thieves, Benihana Award for scene-stealing location. Cafe 80s, right? Yeah. Could be Cafe 80s. Could be Biff's Pleasure Parade. I don't know. Pleasure Dome. Bikers. Strippers. Gambling. I don't know. It's probably a tie. Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award, Best Needle Drop. That's got to be Beat It in the Cafe 80s, right? I can't drive 55 outside of the casino. Oh, that's good. Sammy Hagar. That's better. You're right. Yeah.

Big Coon, a burger where I best use food and drink, the hydrated pizza. I don't know, unless you guys can top it. I was just glad Marty ate something in the movie. We never saw him eat or take a dump or pee or anything. They had a Pizza Hut food technician on set to properly make the pizza, apparently. I really like that detail. Oh, that's good. Would that pizza get finished in your house? Finished? It's finished in the trash. Like how many pieces for Harrison? Yeah, I think it would. Like what? Yeah. Yeah, it's tough.

The Vincent Chase Award. Are we sure this character was actually good at his job? This is a great one. Jeffrey Weissman. Oh, as fake Crispin? He played fake Crispin Glover and just had prosthetics. I have no idea if he's a good actor. His IMDb is pretty sparse.

Does he tell people he killed it in the Back to the Future 2 scenes? I just literally don't know if he was good at his job. He was such a great character in one and they marginalized him and there he is, you know, entering upside down. It's like, oh, this is just a comic book. Well, that leads us to the Butch's Girlfriend Award for weak link in the film. The Crispin Glover Frankenstein situation. Yeah, it's tough. It's brutal. In a movie where the female lead gets tranquilized for the first third of the movie, this guy is still the weak link. Yeah. Right.

They used previously filmed footage. They used our guy Jeffrey Weissman. He had Glover prosthetics. They placed him in the background for some scenes. They hung him upside down. They put sunglasses on him. And then Glover filed a lawsuit, and it ended up being this really important lawsuit that affected the future of movie filmmaking. So he felt like he was getting low-balled for the offer for the second one, but he was also apparently...

Well, he's also nuts. And he's a fucking lunatic. Yeah, I was watching the Letterman episode when he karate kicked Letterman and Letterman just walked off. Crazy shoes. Yeah. Letterman just walked off. But also a genius. Also, he's all over the place when you ask him how much he was offered, how much he turned down. I think the story changed like five times. Yeah, it sells around $150,000. He sues and gets $765,000 for never showing up. But his career is killed.

But he makes up with it. He was in Beowulf. He was in Zemeckis' Beowulf. Beowulf, yeah. He came back for it. In 2007. But the thing is also is like he did shoot his mouth off about how he felt like the philosophical message of the movie towards the end is like of the end of one. Yeah. Is that the thing that will change everything is if your parents are rich? Yeah.

And that's what makes it. And he's like, it should be love. It shouldn't be money. Zemeckis is like, all right, I don't want to argue with you every take here. He's like, I'm inventing fucking hoverboards. How about that? Also, Crispin Glover, not really interested in your opinion on big picture thoughts on my movie. But the movie suffers by not having George. It suffers. It really hurts. It hurts the movie. George in the first film. Right.

Is Marty being like, I love my dad, but I'm also revolted by my dad. So I have to fix my dad. And to not have him in the second one. It's a father-son movie, the first one. So then Doc kind of fills that void. But to me, it's like, it's the torn ACL of the movie. It was still able to play, but. If you ever replace the weak link, it should be the torn ACL of this movie. The butch's girlfriend becomes the torn ACL. Yeah.

Maybe we try to figure out what the injury is. The Joel and the meniscus? Yeah, sometimes it could just be like a sore neck. But in this case, this is like a torn ACL or like a Ben Simmons tear. Ben Simmons microdissectomy back injury. All right, so we all agree that's a weak one. What's aged the worst? You mentioned this earlier, but the impact of the same actor playing two characters in one scene, technology, which we're just used to now, but

1989, it was groundbreaking. So just that groundbreaking has aged the worst because it's hard to explain. What do you have? I have some, but... So I wanted to cite a review I read when I was going through for research. This guy, Jonathan Rosenbaum, is a great movie critic, wrote a piece for the Chicago Reader at the time. It's a really short review, but he's kind of like... The first movie had...

Like Marty was cool and he was a rock. He was a rocker and he was rebellious. And this movie is kind of a dork who spends most of it helping a guy explain time travel. Yeah. And he's like, this movie is a little bit nerdy and geeky. And the first movie is like fun and cool and rock and roll. And yeah, Marty's cool. Yeah. And this movie, like I think what's each the worst is like after a while, I'm like, all right, guys, like enough with the fucking science talk.

talk like do something fun you know what I mean so basically this movie is a parallel to Major League Baseball exactly this movie is moneyball yeah I think the original premise I hate to say it because I had no questions about it for much of my life and then I'm like this is kind of dumb this

This really is. Doc had just come back and instead of taking them and, you know, tranquilizing her, if it was just that, like, Hey, you need intense therapy about this chicken stuff. Yes. That's it. Just go to a therapist and get this chicken stuff out of your head. I had this later. Yeah. You're very, very focused on not breaking the time continuum until someone calls you a chicken. Oh, by the way, uh,

Doc is waiting for you on the roof. Hurry the hell up. What are you doing? So just get this out of your head. Well, ultimately, what's the premise of this movie? He's got to bring Marty to the future because his kids are annoying. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. What are our kids? Are we assholes? By the way, they weren't that. Whose kids aren't annoying, by the way? Jesus. How about this? Don't let them hang out with Biff or Griff or anything that reminds me of that. Just get away from the Tannins. Maybe move. Yeah. I mean, it's probably smarter to be like, we have to go back in time and just kill Biff. Yes. Kill the first Tannin, whoever that is. Kill Grandpa Tannin.

uh, what's aged the worst? Marty and Jennifer just are too fucking old. They're supposed to be Elizabeth shoe at that point is like five years away from making leaving Las Vegas. Like, right. She'd just been in cocktail as a grown adult falling in love with Brian Flanagan, the bartender.

What's aged the worst? Pepsi. A lot of Pepsi in this movie. Too much. Way too much for my life. Do you like Pepsi? No, I'm not a Pepsi guy. He hasn't had Pepsi since 1982. August 2nd, 1982. You didn't know this? No. I made the mistake of getting him a soda last week and he was like looking at it like I was giving him hydrochloric acid. It was very mad. I was like, is this Pepsi? I'm like, yeah, but you'll drink it. And he just brought it back out of club soda. It's Satan's piss. I had to turn it in. It tastes really well. No, no.

The rewatch was brought to you by Pepsi. I was just thinking maybe for future purposes. Michael J. Fox playing his daughter is just super weird. I don't understand why they did it. We had a run here. It's a budget thing. Some Eddie Murphy movies, some Mike Myers movies where it was just like, maybe just because we can doesn't mean we should. Yeah, they think this is going to be hilarious laughter from the audience. You're not Eddie Murphy.

Like, that's not that funny that you're playing your own sister. Really weird. Yeah. Didn't get that at all. And also they all have to have like masks on and stuff so that you like, it's a very strangely like, it's like, could you just not have hired an actress to play Jennifer? And here's a guy who, like you mentioned, he's shooting family ties. He's doing this like, all right. Yeah. But we can have anyone play this scene or never. No one's ever going to care about what she looks like or what she sounds like. But let's get you in makeup for another 11 hours. Yeah.

Well, also, wouldn't it have made more sense, like just from a 1989 impact standpoint to just have Justine Bateman in some way as a sister? Like, why not? It's funnier to me. Like, oh my God, Michael J. Fox is in drag. Miami being in the American League is age the worst. Or any league. Or any league. Yeah. And then the Back to the Future trailer three at the end that we mentioned.

Well, the Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting word is easy. That is Biff's grandson, Griff. Now, let's hear the right answer. Well, since when did you become the physical type? The answer's no, Griff. No? Yeah, what are you, deaf and stupid? I said no. They really let...

Who's the guy who plays Biff? What's his name? Tom Wilson. Tom Wilson. They really let him explore the studio space with Griff. Griff is one of the most annoying characters probably that we've ever done in the rewatchable. Yeah, I hate Griff. I don't hate him for the right reasons. I just hate him. He's in the Warriors. Kind of like he's like...

He seems like he expands like Super Mario. Yeah. He just sucks. But the kids aren't, weren't the kids from back then. I mean, you see Martin just like, well, Marty's just walking around like this and Biff. Yeah. They're just all cartoon characters and stuff. But I had a different one for a while. Okay. What do you got? I thought Lorraine at first right there in the casino. Do you know how much perfectly good dough I've blown on this no good kid of yours? Huh? On all three of them? What the hell do you care? We can afford it.

All that money is to provide a better life for our children. Hold on one second. Let's get this straight. Marty is your kid, not mine.

She bordered on Sharon Stone's hysterical scenes in Casino. I thought that was a little bit overacting. That's a good runner-up. Yeah, that's solid. Two really good candidates. That's also like when you're watching it and you're like, I'm at a Back to the Future movie, it's like, that gets kind of dark. Yeah. It's kind of like, all right, let's give it a little light. Do you think Marty's looking at her with her plastic surgery version of herself? Like, oh man, I might have screwed up. Yeah.

Everybody should have taken a shot. That's the weirdest part of the movie. Marty looks at his mom and he's like, mom. But she does it to him in the first one. Yeah. Oh, I guess. I've never seen you look so big. Yeah, right. Big. It's pretty weird. Was there a better title for this movie? No. How about Marty still chicken after all these years? No. Yeah. Yeah.

Back to the future to electric boogaloo. Now I guess that's it. Back to the future to same game parlay. The, can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? Probably a, what do you mean a paradox? You mean one of those things that can destroy the universe? Precisely. Uh, I like the paradox, but not a lot of great quotes this movie. Okay. It's time. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word?

For hottest take from this movie, what do you have? Given the fact that we've really poisoned the youth of this planet, if not the country, with social media, I think it's time for hoverboards.

Obviously, we have the technology. We have the imagination. Just to bring the kids away from the devices. I was thinking about that. I know that the idea is you're going to get old people getting beheaded by kids flying around on hoverboards and the injuries would just be too significant and all that other stuff. It's already pretty bad out there. If you've ever walked around, if you've gone to New York City recently and it's like guys are doing 40 miles per hour on e-bikes up the alley between cars. New York is downtown Bangkok now. It's just people flying everywhere. We've broken the seal.

I know you guys can do it. I know you have the technology. I know you have the imagination. Let's just put the hoverboards out there and let's have fun in the last few years of humanity. I feel like my son would be able to be on a hoverboard going 40 miles an hour while also texting us that he'll be back in an hour. I know. He's going to be having an Apple Vision Pro on while hoverboarding. It's tough because they already came out with the thing they call the hoverboard.

You know that little two-wheel Segway without the handlebars? That came out like 10 years ago, and everybody when I was in college, a lot of athletes were always liking those. You know those two-wheel things? Those are called hoverboards. But they could do the hoverboards. We needed them to hover. Well, we have the birds that are all around LA. And now it's just, we need the birds to fly. And it would be kind of sick, you have to admit, if you could just go nine feet in the air and go down the 10, you know what I mean? And get to the beach, that would be pretty awesome.

I don't even know if that's that hot of a take. No. I wish we had hoverboards. I think you've stumbled on something. What do you have? All right. Hear me out, boy. Marty is not George's son. He's Biff's son. That should have been Back to the Future 3. Yes, he is. Listen.

Say what you want about Lorraine. We've seen her promiscuous. We've seen her flirty. Thrown it around in 1955. We've seen Biff very aggressive. Very, very aggressive. I don't know how it happened, but I think that he's nothing like his father. His father's a spineless. Sal, that makes this Empire Strikes Back. Yeah. I'm your father. Yeah, you're right. That would be so good. Yes.

It's great. That would be a good Back to the Future 3. That would have been a better than going to the Wild, Wild West. He's not his father. He's nothing like his father. He's like, look at this loser. He's got a temper like Biff. You're right. Don't call me chicken. He's got his buttons to push.

I'm definitely like my father because I text, we're taping this after the Celtics lost game two. You couldn't resist. My dad didn't go and I was texting him. I just texted him, we lost because you didn't go. And he's like, that's ridiculous. We lost because we have a bet. We just started our game. We started our game. Yeah. Long text exchange of us arguing. Before we recorded this, it was like, don't say anything that will do it. Let's get some deep game two action. Yeah. Now the Celtics are out of the playoffs.

Uh, my hot take. So in the research, they had this whole concept for 2015 that the biggest sport was called slam ball and it didn't make it on screen cause they couldn't figure out the budgets and the way slam ball was described. It's listed on the back of the gray sports sports almanac. It's played in an anti-gravity chamber and it's a combination of highlight handball and roller Derby. Okay.

And my question is, where the fuck is this version of slam ball? I would watch this. You would bet on this right now. Right. Uh, anti-gravity. Pickleball made it, but this didn't. Anti, I'm trying to figure out what this, so anti-gravity, highline handball. So they're throwing something, but then people are colliding roller derby style. So are they going around? Oh, interesting. Yeah.

I just want to know more. It really caught my attention. Is it an offshoot of roller derby? Cause roller derby, I kind of died down. Is that where they decided to pick it up? Three things I've always thought should have worked. Highline handball and roller derby. And now we're removing gravity. There's something here, Chris. Do you think that the world is ready for some new sports? Yeah, totally. A hundred percent. Oh yeah.

i still feel like kickball i probably would watch at least 20 minutes of onion too if it was like tonight britain is playing france in the kickball semifinals like all right what is this i was just i was just in england and i was watching snooker yeah and i was like man it's kind of fun sometimes to just watch a sport you don't know the rules of it all and just try to figure them out and they're like oh he's got it no he's not and i'm like what happened

Well, what was that Winter Olympics that year with their... Curling? Curling. Yeah. Brushing, yeah. And all of a sudden, everyone cared about curling for like a week and a half. Yeah, we late night hosted a joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It became a thing and it was fun and then that was it for curling. Casting what ifs. Glover said...

the producers offered 125 yeah there's been a lot of people saying that actually wasn't true but somehow financial stuff and then glover eventually audible too i couldn't do it i didn't believe in the story i believe in love okay crispin glover claudia wells the original jennifer we talked about this in the back to the future one she had a family cancer crisis yeah dropped out

And chose to care for her mother's health. And they end up with Elizabeth Shue, who was just overqualified. I have more on this later. Did she get a settlement too for them reshooting their scenes? No, but she kind of stays out of all of the anniversary stuff until later on. Maybe even 2015. And she appears on a DVD. Something's fishy about it. Best that guy word. I mean, he won it for part one. Mr. Strickland. That guy. Yeah.

God damn it, Maverick! He's a top gun. I also have Joe Flaherty as the Western Union man at the end. Is he Joe Flaherty, though? Yeah, but I think that... What was he? Happy Gilmore? Is he the heckler? Yeah, he's SCTV. Right, right, right. Okay. Yeah, I had him too. DM Waiters Award was tough. Oh, my God. This is easy. What do you got? Flea.

So I had Flea or any of Biff's henchmen in 2015 were the candidates. Oh, no, it's Flea. Okay. It's so weird. Flea's in this movie. I just don't think Flea's that good in that scene. But he clearly stands out the most of a cameo. He's doing Flea. I mean, yeah. Mr. Needles. I don't love that scene. The black father with the bat. Oh, yeah. Oh, that guy. How many people swing a bat at Marty throughout this whole thing? It's just bats all over the place. Griff. Missed five swings. Yeah, that guy probably wins. You're right. Yeah.

Recasting couch. Can I give you Jamie Girtz as Jennifer? Well, you could do whatever you want. Could I give you a young Jennifer Connelly as Jennifer? But like, are you going to do anything else with Jennifer? Other than just knock her out? Yeah. Probably not. I had Mindy Cohn as Jennifer, but I like that one too. Maybe not. I don't know. Mindy Cohn.

Is this movie better for the director's commentary with Tony Romo or Chris Collinsworth doing the commentary? We've never done this with Sal. Mike, he woke up and he saw his mom at a new rack. You gotta love that. He just loves to get out there. I just love the way Marty rides that hoverboard, Sal. He's holding on to a bag of 46 Forres.

so much going on come on he doesn't care that that tunnel's coming up ow he just loves it he just loves being in the air so many different permutations of this timeline Mike but I love watching the play out I just love how Doc Brown is executing going back and forth ow

Half-assed their research. We did a lot of it. Yeah, we did a lot of it. The Glover thing was there. There are clauses in the Screen Actor Guild collective bargaining agreement with a lot of likeness shit. Because of this movie. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, we did a lot of it. The Wild Gunman video game in Cafe 80s was specifically made for the film. The photograph of the cover girl of Ooh La La magazine was Venetia Stevenson taken from the July 55 issue of Swank. Oh, wow. Which I know you might have. It's actually inside the helmet. Leah Thompson took home the prosthetic of her breast implants because it was a mold of a real chest and she didn't want anyone else to have it.

And then they did the rejuvenation clinic because they didn't want to have Christopher Lloyd wearing double old age makeup. So they wanted to keep it relatively close to what he looked like and did it that way. This was the first film to be released on videocassette by MCA Universal Home Video. Late 80s is right around when the VHS stuff really started happening. Because remember for a couple of years, they were like just...

Crazy expensive. Right. It was like, oh, I bought this VHS for $190. And they've done, like, this trilogy, like, has had a pretty steady stream of, like... It's hit all the checkpoints, yeah. Some of the items in the Blast from the Past antique store include a Jaws 2 VHS box, as well as Animal House. I love Jaws in this. Roger Rabbit doll, a bottle of Perrier, a Bee Gees album, a Pac-Man lunchbox, a Jimmy Carter peanut bank...

A Magnavox transistor radio and an AC Pro-Am video game box. There's like 50 things if you want to. If you're interested in all of them, yeah, they're online. Let's take another break, then we'll do Apex Mountain.

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There it is. Is that my camera? Right there. Elizabeth Shue, no way. Beat it, no. Zemeckis, no. Mr. Sandman being in a movie, I'm still going to say Halloween 2 or Halloween 1. Which Halloween had Mr. Sandman? 2. 2.

Time travel movies? No. It's Back to the Future 1. Would you say this is Tom Wilson's Apex? Yeah, that's what I have. Yeah, he plays 19 people. Well, and also, so after this was, it's all like voiceover cartoon stuff. Like, what would it be if it's not this? Like the Pinky and the Brain episode he was in six years later? I was going to say 2015.

just the year 2015, but then Sal told that. So I think the real 2015 was actually the apex of 2015. Yeah. Because Sal got to do a bit with Christopher Lloyd and Michael J. Fox. That's better. That's better than fake 2015. What else happened in sport? That was the Warriors won the first year. Yeah. Football. Is that a Patriots? That was Seahawks over the Broncos, February 2015. Oh, yeah. Baseball. Is that the year the Mets blew it?

Yeah, to the Royals. Royals over Mets. It wasn't a very good sports year. I left ESPN in 2015. That's why. That was great. You had the almanac. Jeffrey Weissman, definitely Apex Mountain. Same for Ooh La La Magazine and D. Jones Manure Hauling. This is the Apex Mountain of hoverboard technology. All hoverboard related things. And then Sal's Dreams of Sports Gambling. What is Apex Mountain for that?

What was the first time you were like, I'm fucking doing this? They've been dashed so many times. I don't know. Is this Apex Mountain of sports gambling movies? Yeah, it has to. What is it? Two for the money? What else are we going to do? A hustler. Like the gambler? Jimmy Kahn? Yeah, he's better. I mean, I like the... And I also like the Mark Wahlberg gambler, too.

Rounders. Sell me on that. Jesus. Like both of those movies. Rounders. Yeah. Really, there hasn't been a good one until they do an auto-bio pic of it. No, it's not a sports run. Would they do a pic of Harry? A picture of him? Like a biopic? Like how they did Cinderella Man about Jim Braddock? What about Focus? Oh, Focus has great gambling. I guess that's the best gambling scene in the movie, the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's great. Right.

All right, new category. Oh, Uncut Gems. Oh, yeah. Uncut Gems. It bothers me what was allowed on that parlay and stuff like that. Yeah, Sal has a lot of issues with that. Still can't sports gamble in Connecticut.

Relatively new category that has taken over the pod. Cruise or Hanks. So are we saying Cruise or Hanks for Marty McFly or Doc Brown? No. It's got to be Marty McFly, right? Yeah. So we got to use younger versions of Hanks or Cruise. This is one where I think you could make the argument for either. Hmm.

I agree. But I think it's Hanks. I think Hanks is a choice. I think Cruz is just too intense. I think he would be perfect for this. Really? Oh, yeah. You guys don't think that Tom Cruise could have played Marty McFly? He's just too... So like 1983 Tom Cruise? Well, it's 80... The first one comes out in 85. He's shooting that in 84, right? Like...

what's he doing in 1984? I think Hanks is great in this movie if they have it. I think you need to do a little more. He's amazing in this movie. Yeah, it's like this would have been right after Risky Business is the first one.

All the right moods of risky business outside. So Hanks is, but we can't do it that way. It just has to be the version of themselves that make the most sense. Now this is turning into a new Apex battle. Now we can't go back. About these rules. But I just look at Cruz arguing with Demi Moore and a few good men. Like, we can't have that with him and Doc. He needs to be a little more timid. I think, like, I feel like Hanks pulls out. Yeah, it's a little more in the Josh Baskin big kind of world. Okay. Yeah. All right.

Big win for Hanks. He's back, man. Is Hanks in the lead now? No, I think it's tied. It's tied? We're tied. Who won for Along Came Pauly? Hanks. We did Hanks. Yeah, Hanks won that. Racehorse, rock band, wrestler, or team name? I had Biffco. I'm surprised you didn't have Biffco Gambling as your team name. That's great. Damn it, you're right. I didn't even think of that. I missed that. Jesus. I missed that all. All right. I like Red the Bum.

Picking nits. I'll let you guys... I have so many. I'll let you guys start. Can I ask a question? You already alluded to this. Does it bother him in the first movie to get called chicken? It seems like... Because I read that they were like... Marty needed a flaw. Marty needed something to get over.

But the chicken thing kind of comes out of nowhere and is the governing principle of all the movies. I know. It's weird. It's really stupid. It's like, did he have a thing with PETA? Was he fondled by Colonel Sanders? I have no idea. It would have been better to have it be, you're a loser. Because that's the thing that he's actually afraid of being is a loser. Yeah, right, right, right. The chicken thing, it's like, yeah, Biff, I'm a chicken. You're an idiot. Why not, instead of chicken, just do short stuff? Yeah, right. He's just heard too many short jokes. It sets him off. Yeah.

I am with you though on the loser thing. I think that loser thing makes more sense. You're a loser like your father or like anything like that. That would be the setting him off thing. With him. Yeah, he said, I'm going to kill you at the same, you're a loser like your dad. Like, you son of a, like that. They get nearly the reaction that all this other chicken stuff does. Give us a pick and knit. Um,

We can just go in order until we're done. Yeah, I just like, you know, Doc is a little bit too much with him. No one should know too much about their own destiny. It's like, well, you read the letter, you wore a bulletproof vest, and you're not alive if not for you going against your own rule here. So I thought we were done with that. The USA Today featuring a local robbery on the front page. Have that one. A little weird.

I have that one. Jennifer's fingerprinted. It's Marty McFly Jr. gets arrested. Yeah. It's the cover of the USA Today. But it's updating in real time, which is pretty cool. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Dicey. Jennifer gets fingerprinted. They're watching from afar.

And they're like, all right, let's just take her to her house. We know where she lives. She's 47. Wow. This is some plastic surgery. Why can't Marty then go and get fingerprinted? I'm like, hey, check me out. I'm his. I'm his. I'm her husband. She had a little too much Pepsi free and vodka. Let's go get her. I'll take her home. They're not really thinking on their feet there. I guess we have to break into the house. Right. Yeah. Go ahead. You can take a few. I'll take one. Yeah.

Western Union held onto that telegram for 70 years? I don't think so. They paid like 10 cents for the telegram? USPS tries to deliver packages once and they're like, yeah, you can come to El Segundo to get this now. Seriously.

That one jumped out at me. And then we mentioned the 50 years of all the sports stuff fitting into the super thin almanac. What do you have? I have more. Well, I have a possibly unanswered question nitpick, which is essentially getting underneath what's the butterfly effect of any given moment. And so do you guys think Biff's rise as both a sports gambler, supreme nuclear power broker, real estate magnate,

everything else does not have like some kind of ripple effect on the results of the games that he would be betting on. I had that as well. So you have to basically imagine Biff has to go hard early because soon the idea of Biff betting at all is like an element in

The timeline, right? It's the biggest flaw in the movie because the whole premise of the movie is unless we fix this, then all these things will happen. But then Biff has the almanac, so all of sports should be different. Yeah. Like all of sports. So the almanac actually shouldn't work. He should be able to just win once. Being a nuclear power guy...

I don't know when that's supposed to have taken place, but I can't remember. But wouldn't that affect USA versus Russia in the Olympics? You know what I mean? There would be things that you... There would be these trickle-down effects that would affect the results of games. It feels like he should have only won once in that 1958 horse race. Yeah. And then mentioned how. And once I won the Almanac... I lost a little because the future of sports... There's some...

Doesn't add up. Yeah. And it doesn't go back and forth between how localized his stuff is and how like, oh, he dated Marilyn Monroe, but also he's only going to build a casino in this town where he grew up. It's like, it's very weird. But to your point,

I also think it's screwed up that the way they fixed it. I don't think they actually fixed it. I think Biff. Now we saw how he reacted to the first $300. He had to pay for the manure. Now he has to do it again. I don't want to get dark, but I think that's the first school killing spree. Honestly, I think he's wrong. He's like, who is this? Calvin Klein. Yeah. I know. I need answers.

Well, speaking of time, whatever. Old Biff steals Doc's time machine and change the past. Yeah. And then returns the Dorian back to the exact same spot. Why isn't he in an alternative version of the same spot? Goes back, gives himself the almanac.

comes back, returns the car, but the future is now different. Yes. And he stumbles out of the DeLorean because I think he's supposed to be exhausted and kind of fucked up from the time travel. But I do think that's a flaw. Yeah, we have alternate universes except in this one case when he comes back to the exact same universe that he left. I think someone pointed out, maybe even on Big Bang Theory, they went through this, that he may not have placed his first bet yet.

Oh, right. Right. Because he still had three years. Oh, interesting. That's right. They brought this up on Big Bang Theory? Unless it was a joke. What kind of research did you do for this? The 2015 World Series is over by October 20th in this movie. Sure. No. Nope. Good pitching that year. Just four sweeps all over. I got one. If Doc and Marty spent half as much time just worrying about the present and try to fix that,

as they did crisscrossing time to solve these little moments. Don't you think that they probably could have fixed it in the present? This guy invented time travel. Also, how fucking selfish. Just go back and kill Hitler. Right. The whole thing is like, we got to make sure that George McFly has a better job. Give me a break. Make sure Marty's...

Marty's kids turn out better. This guy gets like ultra triggered by getting called chicken. It's like, what about stopping the Munich pact? Yeah. Yeah. Never Chamberlain sack up. That's why that's the most valuable. Not this magazine takes devil to lunch. I like, this could be a new category for us. The, I think I'm better than you. Yeah. Where it's just like, we just, yeah, we just told somebody in the movie that we don't like the decisions. Um,

We got to talk about zonked out Jennifer. Okay. What the fuck were they? Where is she? What was the point of that?

Yeah. Why are you bringing her back? Why are you so determined to set the movie right when the last movie left off? But then you're just going to waste the character anyway. I guess if he goes up there and is like, I know this seems crazy. I'll explain later that her timeline thus changes because of that. But I like the alternative is really kind of sad to see. Like they're like, we have to like we have to put Leah Thompson under her.

No. Elizabeth Shue Under. And she's going to be asleep until we take her to the house for one second. Then she kind of disappears for the second half of the movie. And they leave her. They left her. They left her. We don't even know if that neighborhood was there. Yeah. Doc's like, she'll be fine. She'll be good. The future's okay. They're just going to leave her in a pile of garbage. Oh, come on. You can put stuff in that flux capacitor, but you don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Yeah.

I think they should have started the second movie. The car takes off. It flutters, comes down. Yeah. And then they're like, oh, it's not working yet. And she's like, this is too weird. I'm out of here. Yeah. And she leaves. And then we just get rid of her. Someone accidentally pressed the ejector button and she's like, oh, we'll pick her up later. She's fine. I have a couple more nitpicks. Yeah. Doc lands in 2015, just leaves the key to the time machine car in the car.

doesn't bring them pretty sure i'm bringing the keys everywhere i go if i have the biff out time machine doc mentions at one point that he left einstein

in a suspended animation kennel in 2015. Just brutal dog abuse in this movie out of nowhere. What the fuck did Einstein do? Einstein was happy in 1985. It's also like you guys have the budget for a hoverboard, but you can't get a dog wrangler on set to have Einstein be a part of things or whatever. Isn't he just going to go back to 1985, drop off Einstein and come back? Yeah. Yeah. He's basically a terrible dog owner. He could have bit Biff's ankle at some point. Also, one of mine was like, what happened to the Libyans?

From one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're not involved in two at all. You didn't see them at the dance? I have a really stupid obscure one.

They show the photo of Biff. He's won a million dollars in the 1958 race or whatever. And there's a photo and the almanac is out the side. Oh my God. Why the fuck is he bringing that to the horse race? He's not winning any Pulitzer Prizes. Jesus. And then I just wanted more from Biff's Vegas condo as a real estate guy. It was nice, but not like... Not a lot of natural light though. Yeah, it just seemed dark. It felt a little like...

Venetian-y. Right. When you get like the one bedroom suite at the Venetian and they upgrade you and it's like, ah, this is still kind of depressing. Yeah. That should have been like a $50 million palace. Yeah. It should have been amazing. Yeah. I just was disappointed. It should have been like the Sultan at the end of Taken in the boat where it's just like, whoa, that's a nice boat, man. I see how that guy has money. Like, I just didn't think it got there. The Sultan at the end of Taken. All right. I

I have a couple more. Oh, you do? Yeah. Let's keep going. Well, Marty's son walks. They need him for this big heist. He's such a loser. Yeah. He's stumbling over himself. Why does even Griff, as ridiculous as he is, need...

Marty Jr. to pull off this cape. Because they're going to use him as a fall guy, right? Oh, they are. I think so. Yeah, because that's going to be the pivotal moment. All right, that's fine. Again, we're going back and forth between Biff is a genius and he's an idiot. I got to cut. So always these fight scenes are crazy, but the moment before he actually...

gets a handle on the almanac once and for all. He takes an elbow and an overhand right from Biff that Justin Gaethje would not recover from. Just hanging out right there on the side view mirror. That's messed up.

This might be the most nitpicks we've done for a movie. I know. And we had some in the beginning of like, when would Vegas start to get suspicious of Biff? And just in general, you're not so virtuous, Marty. Before you burn it for good. Just take a look. Just one. Just one. You and Joe Willie Namath predict Super Bowl III. Just get one from there.

I had that in unanswerable questions. Could he have just gone back into the fiery garbage and maybe look through and make sure? Yes. There's like five bets. I'm with you, though. He's clearly like, let me just see what happens. Yeah. This sucks. 1991. Oh! Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable. I'm just going to ask, are we ready to redo this movie? I'm kind of surprised that they've never touched it. I think...

Because the future and being able to go in all these different directions and you could go back to 1985 now. Yeah. Or 1995, you could go into the grunge era, you go to Seattle because you have a whole new cast. What does 2055 look like?

I don't know why they let this one go. Of all the things they've remade over and over again, why not back to the future? Maybe people would be less happy about it being like a kid goes back to help his parents instead of stopping 9-11. Right, right, right. So it's a non-comedy. It's too much serious shit. Yeah. It would just be like, go up to Barack Obama and be like, you know what, don't make fun of Trump tonight. Yeah, the White House Correspondents Center. Who is new Marty and new Doc? Oh.

Can I hit you with something? Yeah. Tom Holland and Bill Hader. Bill Hader as Doc is a slam dunk. Tom Holland's too old to be Martin Luther King. Tom Holland's too old. What, he's like 26? No, you could need somebody who's like in their... Chalamet? No, you need somebody in high school. There's got to be a high school guy. How old was Michael J. Fox in the first one? Well, the second one is 28. So in the first one, he's like, all right. Yeah.

Yeah. Tom Holland's not. Zach Efron type. Yeah. I think you go new person because the franchise is a star. So you almost don't need a star as Marty. Right. But you need Bill Hader as Doc. Yeah. That's a good call. Hader's a good name. I don't know how else you spin it off. If it says all black cast, I don't know if like Goldie Wilson spins off. We see his struggles against Biff Tannen in terms of legalizing gambling in the city. It would be funny if the Debbie Downer journalism website era, they're remaking Back to the Future and it's like,

maybe this shouldn't be a comedy. Maybe we should be going back and fixing some of the problems that this country has. It's just people getting very pious essays about why are we having fun with the Back to the Future franchise.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Sam Jackson, JT Walsh, Byron Mayo, Harling Mays, Evil Laughing, Ramon Raymond, or Philip Baker Hall? I think it's Byron Mayo. I was trying to think of a Wayne screaming about Haralabob thing, but it's like when Marty wakes up and sees his mom's new set, I think it's kind of like, Marty! Rain! It's not incest if it happens during time travel! Yeah.

Give it a whirl. No one will know. I just have maybe Sam Jackson plays the father with the baseball bat. Yeah. Oh, and that was like the perfect Sam Jackson range. He would have been a good fellow right after that. Just one Oscar who gets it. I had to score. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Or the special effects. So the special effects, it was...

It was nominated for Best Visual Effects. Special Effects. I forgot that was the one. Yeah, Special Effects. Is that different from Visual Effects? It's Visual Effects. Oh, okay. The Abyss won. I had supporting... I don't know. I had Tom Wilson for supporting act if it was ever going to have it, but Denzel won it that year and Danny Aiello lost. Yeah, it was just 89 was strong. It was too good. Probably unanswerable questions.

No jet lag? Just zooming around by decades? I feel like you'd be zonked out for months. I got back from overseas like a day ago, and I'm still- Right, and you don't even know what year it is. Yeah. I did that flight. It took like three weeks to come back. These guys are fine. We flew in and out of Vegas in one day, and I don't think I'll ever return. Right. It's true. Yeah, so-

We covered why does Marty hate being called a chicken so much, which that literally was unanswerable. How do we handle Almanac? We covered that. I have one more, but do you have any for unanswerable? No, we did them as nitpicks. Doc Brown gay? No, because we find out in three he falls in love with Claire. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

In two, I don't know that. For those seven months, you were like, huh? 1885, Doc Brown, not gay. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. It's like, Doc, who'd you hang out with last night? Oh, I was hanging out with that high school senior again. Yeah. That I'm 42 years older than. Right. Like, if my son was hanging out with Doc Brown every night, I would be suspicious within two weeks. Yeah. Like, what's going on here? Why are you with Doc Brown so much?

It's like he's got Ooh La La magazine. I don't know. Is he grooming Marty? What's happening? Didn't they cut a scene out? I've seen too many date lines. Of one where they talk about, is my father gay or something? Doesn't like... Oh, is that the one? Yeah, yeah. They cut it out. He says...

No, he's like, what happens to me in the future? Am I gay? Do I turn gay? They cut it completely out of the movie. Oh, I don't know. We'll have to see Doctor Reaction. This is a movie trope that we've seen in a few movies with the way too old to be hanging out with the high school kid character. Now that we've been conditioned in the last 20 years to look at that differently, I can't unsee it.

It's like, doc, no friends, no poker night with your buddies from World War II. The Korean War. Like, oh, my buddy Johnny's in town. Nothing. Best double feature choice of this movie. It's got a, would you go one or three? I'd go three because it's basically one movie. Yeah, because you kind of want to know what happens. Three is a rough watch.

what piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Would you go original hoverboard? DeLorean doesn't count. Practically speaking, I'd probably go the Nike mags because you could make a tidy profit on those for the secondary market. Over the hoverboard and over the original magazine? That's not street legal yet. I like the jacket because it essentially ends up being a heated jacket, right? Which none of them work if you try to buy them for $300 or $40. It's the only real heated jacket. Yeah.

So the original almanacs, they pop up on those Hollywood prop auctions and it seems like they had a bunch of them. So a few of them have sold and they'll go for like 45, 50 K. So there you go. You could say you got one of those. You could say that's authentic. The coach Finstock award, best life lesson. I got to say for me after watching two again, the past is the past.

Just leave it alone. Just look forward. Yeah. You know, like, what are you going to go back to the wild west to fix? Come on. Right. You can't change it based on even if you know your flaws. And I guess an ancillary one is really try hard not to fuck your mother. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good secondary one. Don't look at your mother's breasts for more than a second. To be fair, the third one ends.

the train destroys the DeLorean and they're like, you know what? Like, I'm not like, let's just, let's just like let fate kind of decide itself. Right. Yeah. Maybe could have done that after two. Yeah. They should have had previews for four after three, but fake ones. That would have been great. This one in three feels like there's a version of it that could have been one movie, you know? Also, Doc,

you'll probably be dead by the time marty's kids are grown up maybe don't go into the future to try to try to fix that again creepy creepy doc never cared about my friend's kids that much ever like harrison's got his big game tonight i care about that i wouldn't go into the future to help you like i wouldn't use my future card okay because i have a lot of money on that game craig what do you got did you say who won

Oh, who won the movie? Michael J. Fox. Yeah. Yeah. He's a winner. Unless you want to go Doc. Creepy Doc who has no friends his own age. Zemeckis for doing Who Framed Roger. Oh, you know what? It's Zemeckis. Roger Rabbit. Because Zemeckis is using all the... And he's got all the tricks. He becomes like the coolest guy from Roger Rabbit. Yeah, it's Zemeckis. You're right. I think my hot take is that Doc is the only good actor in this movie. Well, he's the... Wow. The movie is...

That was a hot take. The movie is oriented to Doc. Like, it's like, Doc's craziness is the, like, the only thing that explains this movie. I just think Doc carries this film. He puts it right on his back. This movie, I liked the movie. It was really fun. I had seen Back to the Future 1 many times. I'd never seen this one.

I think I liked being back in that world more than I liked the movie, like the story itself. It almost felt like a sitcom where it's like this movie has no new characters. It has no new villain. It's like a sequel with no new characters, no new villain. You're back on the same set. And also like it feels like a set. You know that Town Square is like a lot at Warner Brothers. Yeah. And it's like you feel like you're about to walk past like Central Perk. It feels so much like a Hollywood lot.

that it's kind of like refreshing and comforting like a sitcom. So I did like just kind of hanging out. Yeah. But maybe I've just been like jaded by the multiverse. I was like, it is a little confusing. I don't exactly know what's going on here.

I had to think like a little bit too much about this and maybe I've just been multiverse. You have to watch one. This is bothering me so much. He's seen one. Oh, you did. Yeah. I think one's great. One is, one is trackable. This one, I was like, they got a little too cute with it. I get you had to go forward and mix it up a little bit, but no, maybe I just got triggered by multiverse. I think the acting points, the right point.

Because I don't think Leo Thompson's great in this. We barely get the dad. Michael J. Fox spends most of the movie being like, what are you telling me, doc? Yeah, Michael J. Fox is not as good as he was in the first movie. He's just not. He's great in the first movie. He's amazing. Yeah. I think those are all good points, Craig. People don't overact anymore.

What do you mean? I just, every movie from like the 90s and 80s, there's always like three characters in the movie going insane. Like really pushing it. Nowadays, you rarely get an actor doing the Linda Partridge. Like, where do you get that? That's a good point. I miss it. What would you do with the Almanac? What do you mean? I would absolutely steal a couple games. You'd use it for fantasy, just to like win your leagues.

Yeah, definitely. I mean, like the round 10 sleepers. We didn't even talk about the fantasy elements of the Almanac. Oh, right. Yeah. We would be the greatest pot of all time. Like our sleepers episode would take over the world. I don't know. I just have a feeling about this guy coming out. Yeah. Yeah. Devon A-chain on the Dolphins. I know he's going to sound weird. Take Pakua. Yeah. No. Brock Purdy. I like that guy. No, you would do the Kurt Warner would be the best one, right? Yeah. This guy like on the Rams. I like what I'm reading. Yeah. This backup QB. Yeah. Yeah.

If Trent Green ever goes down. There's this eight-year-old Joey Chestnut. They call him Joey. He might be Joe, but no, he'll still be Joey. He's going to win a lot of hot dogs. Great eater. All right. This podcast was produced by Craig Horlbeck. Don't forget to go to youtube.com slash at ringer movies to watch this and all the clips we have. Sal, this was super fun. It was a lot of fun. Thank you for having me. Great job by you, Sal. Great job by you guys.