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Hi, this is Jackson from Portland, Oregon.
I just clocked off work. I'm currently on my way to go play a couple holes of disc golf while I listen to today's episode of the NPR Politics Podcast. This episode was recorded at 12.37 p.m. on Monday, June 17th. Things may have changed by the time you hear this, but I'll still be trying to make the most of this beautiful weather. All right, here's the show.
Great. Hope you get a hole-in-one. I don't know what a hole-in-one is in disc golf, but I hope he gets one. They should do one of those things like on TikToks where they say, what are you listening to? And then you go, oh, it's the NPR Politics Podcast. Hey there, it's the NPR Politics Podcast. I'm Susan Davis. I cover politics. I'm Elena Moore. I cover the campaign. And I'm Mara Liason, senior national political correspondent. And today on the show, young conservative voters and their support for former President Donald Trump and
Alina, you just spent the weekend in Detroit covering the Turning Point Action Conference. There's a lot to discuss from what you heard from voters there. But first, can you explain what Turning Point Action is for the uninitiated? Yeah, sure. So Turning Point Action is the advocacy wing of Turning Point USA, which was started because of Republican concerns with free speech on campus, you know, them not having a place at
high schools and colleges. And it's really grown into this big national organization focused on engaging young people on conservative issues. So this event was one of many events that the larger Turning Point Network does, and it's basically like a big party for young conservatives. I'm happy to talk
about this because we've talked a lot about young voters and historically younger voters tend to vote overwhelmingly Democratic. They voted overwhelmingly for Joe Biden in 2020. But there also seems to be a lot of enthusiasm among younger voters for Donald Trump. So what about Donald Trump is drawing these younger people in? I mean, they kind of just love everything about him. They like his vibe and his platform. And like you said, it's really fascinating because I cover a lot of the
discontent with Biden on the on the left among young people. And that's not there for Trump. And albeit it's a smaller group, but these voters are there and they're quite loud. You know, I talked to over a dozen people under 30 at the event, and they like that Trump pushes more of an isolationist platform. They want him to focus on issues like the economy and immigration, which we know are top voting issues for all ages.
That's where they're at, too. A lot of them have these more socially conservative ideas, which were like really big topics at Turning Point. How much of their...
fealty to Trump is about issues and how much of it is about his kind of anti-establishment personality. I think it's kind of a mix. Like they do enjoy that vibe of him. Like I talked to multiple young people who said, we want bold change. We want, you know, honesty. And he gives it to us. He's not like the traditional Republican Party. I heard it really clearly from 21-year-old Georgia student Alexander Warren. He's
totally on board and he's not looking back. The thing is, is that Trump is the most anti-establishment guy we got. The Republican Party of old is gone. They are dead. They are clinging on for dear life. And Trump is the guy to get in and clear out the swamp. And we are excited about that.
And the interesting thing there is like, as we know, like Gen Z folks under 27 have grown up during Trump and have many of them come of political consciousness during these really divisive times. And a lot of them have become Democratic voters because of it, you know, are voting for Biden and voting for Democratic issues. And so this other side, it's smaller, but, you know, they're picking up when Trump's put down. Mara.
I say this a lot on the podcast that an unenthusiastic vote counts as much as an enthusiastic vote. But it does seem when it comes to young people, base voters, it's a lot of people who are
There is another reality in this election where Donald Trump continues to have a really profound kind of enthusiasm that Joe Biden just does not seem to inspire in the same type of voter on the Democratic side. Right. I mean, organic enthusiasm cannot be created by tens of millions of dollars in an ad campaign campaign.
or even a grassroots organizing campaign. I mean, it's priceless. Organic enthusiasm is priceless. Otherwise, you're just pushing on a string. And he does have that. It seems among people who are for him, they're really, really for him. And everything that happens to him, like being found guilty of 34 felony counts, only makes him even more anti-establishment and more of an outlaw, which it sounds like these young voters really like.
Oh, yeah. And I heard that at this conference. I asked everyone I spoke with. The verdict was recently, what do you think? And they either said it's bogus or they said this is going to help him or they were like,
You know what? Everyone's already made up their minds. Like, we don't care because we're here for him. You know, like there's no changing that. And Trump's mugshot was on T-shirts. There were T-shirts that said voting convicted felon 2024. Like they're celebrating this and they're totally rolling with it. Elena, this also made me think about when you talk about the enthusiasm for Trump and that voter that we heard is that.
One of the things is that Gen Z does tend to feel more pessimistic about the future than other comparable generations. And it does sort of make sense that there could be an appeal by the candidate who most wants to break the system as it has been, that the sort of revolutionary kind of change that Donald Trump talks for in a way could find an audience among young people who feel like the country's really off track. Yeah, I mean, I think it gets back to growing up in that
time that they only know political division. And, you know, a lot of these kids were born during the Iraq war. Maybe their parents lost a job in the recession. They've been in college during COVID or now, you know, ahead of this next election. And I think, you know,
These voters are looking for somebody they think is strong and confident and honest that will like kind of cut through the noise in their opinion. And that's Trump to them. All right. Let's take a quick break. And when we get back, we're going to talk more about the young conservative vote. Support for NPR and the following message come from Simply Safe Home Security.
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And we're back. And Elena, I'd love to drill down a little bit more into who these voters are and how they're feeling right now in this race. Obviously, Joe Biden won young voters by a double digit margin in 2020.
What does polling tell us about where younger voters are right now? I mean, in the latest NPR PBS News Marist poll, it's a statistical tie. Biden leads by just two percentage points, which is within the margin of error. And that is really striking because, like you said, I mean, Biden won among young voters in 2020, voters under 30, by 24 points. And I would say that that poll, and we've seen that in other polling, like it's very tight, but I...
I think to equate 50 percent of the youth vote with Trump is not true because we know this generation is fueled by a lot of Democratic backed ideas, protecting abortion access, curbing gun violence, addressing climate change. And so it doesn't completely line up with what we know about this generation.
But what we do know is that voting for Trump is the protest vote right now, is the way to say you're against the incumbent. You don't like the way things are going. But it does show you how much Biden is struggling to keep his base coalition together. And young people are a really important part of it.
Yeah.
The conference was overwhelmingly white. Obviously, there were folks of color there, but it definitely was not a diverse crowd. And the attendees at this conference were not all young. I mean, there were older voters there. Turning Point actually put out a
crowd size the day that Trump spoke. And they said there were 8000 people there, but they told me 3000 were students. Just anecdotally, I saw a lot of people who looked maybe upwards of 65 sitting in the audience. So it kind of really depended. And then on gender, anecdotally, it looked to lean more male. I don't have numbers on that. I think about when I was in this one session in the morning, they do these like breakout sessions to talk
Is the tone to their politics angry?
Did they share Trump's grievances, his anger at the world? Like, is there hope and optimism from these younger voters or is the conversation you have with them like they are coming from a really angry place into politics? I think it's anger, but with optimism at the end of the road. That student, Alexander Warren, who I talked to, told me that 2020 was a really formative year for him and his politics.
The Black Lives Matter movement, you know, January 6th, all of that made me realize that there is a weaponized force against, especially, you know, your American men in this country. You know, the emasculation of the American men has gone too far. And us as American men, we're not going to accept it anymore. I think, again, that like speaks to this smaller group of young people who feel kind of forgotten or left out of the larger Gen Z movement, which we know is,
very racially diverse, and just more leaning left. That interview with the student was really, really interesting. And he clearly has been listening to a lot of hyper-right media, including Tucker Carlson, who often talks about the emasculation of men. The alt-right
Now the Trump right, it's a very young, male-oriented movement, as Sue has pointed out. Mara, earlier this year I did reporting on sort of what drives the political decisions in generations. And a woman I interviewed, Dr. Jean Twange, who's a scholar on this, said,
And this has stuck with me from that, says political attitudes are actually shaped really young, like in childhood and youth, even before people can vote. And there's an element to this generation and in Trumpian politics, which is like broken all the rules of modern politics, like how this shapes future generations, how this is going to shape Gen Z today, what they are as adults of the future is one of these like really fascinating questions in political science that I'm curious to see how it plays out.
Yeah, look, historical rules only work till they stop working. But one historical rule we thought we believed in was that the political inclinations you form during your young years stay with you throughout your entire life. What's interesting to me is these young people grew up during a period of tremendous gridlock, paralysis, prostitution.
problems not getting solved in Washington. Then there was the financial crisis. Then there was the pandemic. And then there is kind of what I call the evaporation of the American dream. No, even if you work hard and get an education, you're not going to do as well or better than your parents. And that makes the appeal of a strong man, a demagogue, a right-wing populist like Trump
Very appealing. We've seen this throughout history. Elena, do you know if these young people there agree with Trump and now most of the Republican Party that they will not accept the results of an election that he doesn't win? Anecdotally, I think talking with people, they cast doubt on 2020. It's it's I think it's a very accepted belief now that.
that Trump has been wronged many times. And the 2020 election, in their view, is like one of those wrongs. It came up a lot in the conference and the crowd would react very strongly when people would say, we're not going to let this happen again. You know, Trump has this new phrase, too big to rig.
to like get so many people to turn out. There's no way people can rig the election, which we know is not true. That did not happen in 2020. So I think that like, yeah, it's like one of many now normalized parts of the like hyper right movement.
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