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The Attack on Black History, with Nikole Hannah-Jones and Jelani Cobb

2024/4/5
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David Remnick: 本节目讨论了美国各地对黑人历史教学的攻击,以及这场运动背后的意识形态和动机。这场运动不仅影响了中小学,也波及了大学,对学术自由和终身教职制度造成了威胁。 Nikole Hannah-Jones: 她回顾了她学生时代对黑人历史学习的匮乏,以及当前的政治环境如何阻碍对黑人历史的全面和准确的教育。她批判了那些以反对灌输的名义限制黑人历史教学的虚伪行为,并指出这些行为的目的是控制人们对社会的理解和想象。她还讨论了媒体在助长这场运动中的作用,以及如何改进媒体报道以更准确地反映真相。她强调了黑人历史的政治性,以及诚实地讲述黑人历史的重要性。 Jelani Cobb: 他分析了这场运动背后的意识形态根源,指出其与对美国社会秩序被颠覆的担忧,以及对权力争夺的根本性关注有关。他将当前的争论置于历史背景下,指出对黑人历史的研究最初是为了挑战对种族隔离和奴隶制的合理化,而当前的争论仍然是关于权力的争夺。他批评了这种对黑人历史的限制,认为这是对布朗诉教育委员会案逻辑的恶意反转,它忽视了种族主义对儿童心理的负面影响。他还讨论了这场运动对大学终身教职制度的威胁,以及它对美国标榜的言论自由和学术自由的形象造成的损害。 Nikole Hannah-Jones: 她详细阐述了这场运动的策略,指出其利用媒体对平衡的追求来模糊真相,以及如何利用“批判性种族理论”等术语来制造恐慌和焦虑。她还批评了媒体对某些组织(如“自由妈妈”)的真实性质的忽视,以及对教育的本质和目的的误解。她认为,教育的目的是挑战学生,而不是迎合所有家长的观点。 Jelani Cobb: 他指出,美国存在严重的歷史知识匮乏,对美国历史的理解并不全面,而黑人历史月是公众参与了解国家历史的契机。他认为,对特定群体的历史研究(如女性研究、黑人研究等)能够提供更深入的理解,但不能完全与通史割裂开来。他分析了佛罗里达州对AP非洲裔美国人研究课程的限制,以及这种对课程内容的控制如何掩盖历史真相。他以哈里和哈丽特·摩尔的遇害事件为例,说明了这种控制如何扭曲历史叙事。 David Remnick: 他总结了这场运动对美国社会的影响,指出其对民主的长期损害,以及各州在权利保护和教育方面存在的差异。他强调,这场运动最终会影响到所有州,因为反民主的威权主义做法会不断蔓延。

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Nicole Hannah-Jones and Jelani Cobb reminisce about their experiences learning about Black history in school. They both agree that their education lacked a comprehensive understanding of Black history and its significance in shaping America. They argue that the lack of Black history education left them with a fragmented understanding of American history.

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Across much of the country, Republican officials are reaching into K-12 classrooms and universities alike to exert control over what can be taught. In Florida, Texas, and many other states, laws now restrict teaching historical facts about race and racism. Book challenges and bans are surging. Public universities are seeing political meddling in the tenure process. Advocates of these measures say, in effect, that education must emphasize only the positive aspects of American history. Nikole Hannah-Jones, the New York Times *Magazine *reporter who developed the 1619 Project, and Jelani Cobb, the dean of the Columbia University School of Journalism, talk with David Remnick about the changing climate for intellectual freedom. “I just think it’s rich,” Hannah-Jones says, “that the people who say they are opposing indoctrination are in fact saying that curricula must be patriotic.” She adds, “You don’t ban books, you don’t ban curriculum, you don’t ban the teaching of ideas, just to do it. You do it to control what we are able to understand and think about and imagine for our society.”