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Judith Butler Can’t “Take Credit or Blame” for Gender Furor

2024/3/15
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Erin Reid:美国各地涌现大量限制跨性别者权利的法案,佛罗里达州的立法尤为严苛,对跨性别者生活造成严重影响。这些法案的执行依赖于自我监管和恐吓,企业界的抵制力度较弱,原因在于反跨性别势力采取了多管齐下的策略,包括同时在多个州推动立法、选择商业友好型州以及利用暴力和仇恨言论进行威胁。对抗反跨性别运动需要与其他弱势群体联合起来,形成更强大的力量。 Judith Butler:性别是社会组织的一种方式,其定义并非一成不变,需要根据社会实际情况进行调整。“表演性”指的是人们通过身体和行为来实践社会规范,从而构成其性别认同,并非指虚假或表演。她不认为自己应该为年轻人对性别的理解负责。梵蒂冈的反性别立场可以追溯到若瑟·拉辛格的著作,他们认为存在一种自然法则决定了男女的差异和等级,而“性别理论”挑战了这种自然法则,被视为一种恶魔般的意识形态。普京等权威人士将性别视为对国家和家庭的威胁,这种说法是虚构的,因为没有人主张取消“母亲”和“父亲”等称谓,或剥夺人们的性别。2017年在巴西,她因为性别观点而遭到示威抗议,甚至被烧了肖像。她认同“他们/她们”代词的使用,并认为这是年轻一代给予她的礼物。对性别的恐惧是虚构的,其背后是人们对自然秩序被挑战的焦虑。政治家利用对性别的恐惧来争取选民支持,但这种策略的效果并不总是最佳的。她对以色列袭击事件的看法没有改变,她始终谴责哈马斯的暴行,但她同时也认为应该寻求政治解决方案,并与哈马斯等组织进行对话。“恐怖主义”一词可能被滥用,应区分恐怖主义行为与政治诉求。 David Remnick:引导访谈,提出问题,总结观点。

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A legal assault on trans rights by conservative groups and the Republican Party is escalating, the journalist Erin Reed reports, with nearly five hundred bills introduced across the country  so far this year. Reed spoke with the Radio Hour about the tactics being employed. But long before gender theory became a principal target of the right, it existed principally in academic circles. And one of the leading thinkers in the field was the philosopher Judith Butler. In “Gender Trouble” (from 1990) and in other works, Butler popularized ideas about gender as a social construct, a “performance,” a matter of learned behavior. Those ideas proved highly influential for a younger generation, and Butler became the target of traditionalists who abhorred them. A protest at which Butler was burned in effigy, depicted as a witch, inspired their new book, “Who’s Afraid of Gender?” It covers the backlash to trans rights in which conservatives from the Vatican to Vladimir Putin create a “phantasm” of gender as a destructive force. “Obviously, nobody who is thinking about gender . . . is saying you can’t be a mother, that you can’t be a father, or we’re not using those words anymore,” they tell David Remnick. “Or we’re going to take your sex away.” They also discuss Butler’s identification as nonbinary after many years of identifying as a woman. “The younger generation gave me ‘they,’ ” as Butler puts it. “At the end of ‘Gender Trouble,’ in 1990, I said, ‘Why do we restrict ourselves to thinking there are only men and women?’ . . . This generation has come along with the idea of being nonbinary. Never occurred to me. Then I thought, Of course I am. What else would I be? . . .  I just feel gratitude to the younger generation, they gave me something wonderful. That takes a certain humility.”