Trump Pick Gaetz Throws DC Establishment Into Turmoil, Tulsi's DNI Perch, and Don and Joy Quit X, with Ruthless | Ep. 944
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I mean, where were you when you heard what Sarah would say? My hair styles. It happened on the same day that the former president made a triumphant return to the White House and was greeted by a positively beaming Joe Biden. Yeah.

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All right. I mean, where were you when you heard Matt Gates? Right. Because I think we were all like, oh, Pete Hexeth. Well, there is a curveball. And then it was like, no. Right. My exchanges with my team was like, well, bullshit. No, you lie. And sure enough, he's he's proposing he's nominating Matt Gates to be the attorney general. I'm not going to lie. I wasn't even 100 percent sure Matt Gates was a lawyer until I was reminded he is a lawyer. Yeah.

And it's had the predictable response. Fetterman, I think, probably summed it up the best by saying the following. I think this is it. Let's listen to Sot 1. I mean, I would describe it as God-tier level trolling to just trigger a full-on China syndrome to own the libs in perpetuity. Pretty accurate. I think he's right. Right? What do you guys make of it?

I love that he gets it now. Yeah. I mean, he totally gets it. Well, I like to think of Donald Trump as like a T-Rex from Jurassic Park, and he's testing the electric fencing on Washington, D.C. You know, like see how many of the establishment he can anger with these nominations, which has been very entertaining. Yeah, like he had...

Pete Hedzik, obviously, created the defense industrial complex meltdown that we saw. And he was like, God, I really thought that would be worse. Yeah. Well, let's get a load of this one. Totally.

Somebody was saying that like Hegseth was the prep for Gates, you know, and now Gates could be prep or Hegseth was the prep for Tulsi and Tulsi will be the prep for Gates. And now God only knows what's coming next. No idea.

I think the greatest renewable energy in Washington, D.C. is outrage. Yeah. But I mean, he's threatening to take that meter down to zero. Yeah. So let's talk about it, because Gates for the for the listening audience is is controversial for a number of reasons. He is definitely a professional shit stirrer. He is fiercely loyal to Donald Trump. He actually is a very effective campaigner.

cross-examiner. And that I now I am realizing comes from his, his time as a lawyer, but he's very good when he's, when he's going after somebody on Capitol Hill at these hearings. But he is also immersed in controversy. Some salacious allegations have been made against him by the DOJ, which then decided not to pursue charges. Gates has denied these charges. We can talk about them.

but still under investigation by the House Ethics Committee or Oversight Committee. Now that's done because he resigned yesterday when this news came out. But it's going to come up if he goes through a confirmation hearing. And then also something probably closer to your hearts, you guys. He took down Kevin McCarthy as House Speaker over on the Republican side and then kind of

didn't really have a solution ready to go once Kevin McCarthy fell. But this is one of the reasons why a lot of the so-called established establishment Republicans hate him. And therefore it is, let's say far from a guarantee that he will be confirmed because we already have Murkowski and Collins on the record seeming to say it's a no, they can't afford to lose too many others. And you know, you've got some squishes over there when it comes to these kinds of people. So

So I don't know. Andy McCarthy says, why are we even engaging in this debate? He's never going to be confirmed. So this is all pointless. So who wants to take it? Any of those? Well, look, all of that is true. Everything you said is true. And look, he's dedicated his entirety of his congressional career to creating enemies.

mostly from within, like mostly within his own party, kind of go way beyond the establishment of your own party. He's just not played by anybody's rules, which I imagine probably makes him pretty popular amongst the American people, certainly outside the beltway. The problem is, as you suggested, at some point you have to figure out how to get 51 votes to get confirmed as attorney general. I think we may have talked about this months and months and months ago, Megan, is that

Donald Trump's nominee to be attorney general was always going to be the most controversial of them all. It was going to be the most difficult because of this hardened Democratic opposition to it. Some concerns lingering on the Republican side about what he would do with the Department of Justice. And so he just went full Leroy Jenkins on it and was like, if you're going to be controversial, well, then let's make it the most controversial. And that's where we're at. I do think

The only thing that I'm concerned about from a Trump standpoint is how much political capital do you use on this stuff? He's got four years and you got to figure out how to get a whole bunch of things done in the first six, eight months. And political capital is at its highest when you win an election, certainly in the fashion that he did. And you begin to drain political capital out of it with each election.

thing that you do that becomes controversial, that you have to actually use the power of the presidency to try to get through using too much on this in what may very well be something that just can't be done. Concerns me a little bit because there's a whole bunch of things about that Trump agenda. The American people really, really want him to spend all of his political capital getting. Yeah. But, you know, he has earned the right to pick who he wants. He had a huge win.

last Tuesday and he has a mandate to pick whoever he wants and the Senate is going to consider them and we'll see what happens. But I mean, if you look at Gates, like you said, he can cross examine. The guy is not without talent. And if you look at the beginning of his career, he is a guy who supported Jeb Bush in 2016, which I think is why comfortably smug likes him so much. Smug really liked Jeb. So I look at the same data that Ashbrook and Holmes

are presenting. And I think it's accurate, but my conclusion is completely different. President Trump did come away with an absolute mandate, which is why I think every one of these senators should be on board with it. And like Holmes said,

there's a small window where Trump can act and it's even shorter than four years. It's even shorter than two years. It's probably the first hundred days where you can really move the ball before you start getting all the opposing forces organized and trying to stop Trump's agenda, which is why I think Matt Gaetz would be the perfect person you want in place in those first hundred days. I think what most of these people are afraid of is

Oh, God, we had the Department of Justice and we used it to go after conservatives. We used it to go after Trump. You know, you had Merrick Garland calling parents who would show up to school board meetings domestic terrorists. So we don't need to send, you know, the same old, same old. We need to send the message that, hey, that time is up. There's a new sheriff in town.

I, I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I agree with you. Smug. I was never really a Matt Gaetz fan. I was never really a huge Matt Gaetz fan.

person at all. I haven't really spent any time thinking about him other than with that whole Kevin McCarthy defenestration thing. But I know that there are allegations against him. There are no charges. So that's that. I mean, they weren't able to make any charges and it involved his alleged relationship with a 17 year old girl, which he's denied. And then they were accusing him of sex trafficking. He went on, he denied this. This is the thing he went on Tucker about a long time ago. He answered the charges as bullshit and didn't go anywhere. So, I mean, that's that.

We'll see what the House says, if there's something more. But if there was something seriously more, we would have seen a charge. But what I look at is two things. Number one, and I tweeted this out yesterday, if you are Donald Trump and your chosen attorney general has turned you over to Robert Mueller, who then ruined your first term as president with a bunch of bullshit, then you leave office and the next guy's attorney general is

is behind not one but two criminal prosecutions of you. And his DOJ is cooperating with not one but two state prosecutions of you in a bridge that's never been crossed in our 250 year history as a nation.

then I too might prize loyalty to me above all other qualities and go with a guy like Matt Gates. Who can blame Trump for trying to pick the most loyal soldier he can find for this position? And then point two is what you just said, Smug. Eric Holder was a partisan hack loser. And so is Merrick Garland.

partisan hack loser. So what do I, I don't care. Like at this point, I'm like, you know what? F you people get the fighter in there. The gloves are off. You took them off. Now Trump's brought in his own guy with the brass knuckles. It's on.

Yeah, that's the greatest fear of Democrats is that other people will do to them what they've been doing to the American people. And Trump picking people who are loyal to him is exactly what the American people want. That's why he has the popular vote on top of the Electoral College in his victory. He needs to send people who will execute his vision 100%. And if he sees Matt Gaetz as a loyalist who's willing to accomplish that, I'm 100% on board.

I don't blame him, Duncan, for being a little squeamish about, you know, some rando establishment attorney general. Sorry, Ashbrook, I interrupt you. You go.

Go, go. I mean, what I like I was saying, it's going to take a very, very strong person to fix these gigantic problems at DOJ and Gates will take a meat axe to it. You can you can bet on that. And if he doesn't get there, Trump will find somebody else who will do the exact same thing to because these problems have to be addressed. That's why he was elected. Go ahead. Oh, OK. So you're looking at me, Michael.

I heard you there, Megan. Am I squeamish about it? No, I just to reinforce Holmes's take on this. It's like you don't want to waste political capital on things that aren't going to happen. I agree with everything that Smug said. In fact, I think it goes deeper than that. You go back and look at what James Comey did at the beginning of Trump's first administration, where he basically went to Trump Tower to president elect Donald Trump and

and tried to entrap him and gave him oppo research generated by the Hillary Clinton campaign and said, hey, did you pee on Russian prostitutes? And then he scurried back down to his car and typed out a bunch of notes and tried to leak it to the media to get a special counsel appointed. So I'm all for that and rooting out all of the deep state bureaucracy at DOJ and the FBI and all of those sort of things. I just don't want to waste any time. The thing that makes me squeamish is

is trying to get a Gates through and we waste a lot of time solving these problems because like you said, Susan Collins, Murkowski, like that's just political reality. There are people who are going to not support him. And I saw Dick Durbin this morning, you know, telling the House Ethics Committee that he'd love to see that report for the hearings against Matt Gates.

And I mean, it'll just it's going to be a circus. That's all I'm saying. A circus. So just to be clear, Susan Collins, the reports are that she will oppose Murkowski said, quote, We need to have a serious attorney general. And I'm looking forward to the opportunity to consider somebody that is serious. This one, this one was not on my bingo card. So she hasn't said no, but she certainly sounds like a no. Then Senator Tom Tillis, Republican of North Carolina. He didn't say no, but he said the following. I have very few skills.

Vote counting is one. And I think he's got a lot of work to do to get to 50. So it's really about the Republicans. There's this. This is on the record from Republican Senator Bill Cassidy, who dodged Politico's question on Gates, saying,

I'm trying to go fix a toilet between getting back for a vote. Life's a little hectic right now. I don't know whether that's a signal or what that is. Megan, that's what you're seeing. I think, look...

There's an issue at the beginning of every administration in that what you would like to do is take your political capital, take the mandate that the American people gave you, and put your hardened opposition in a very difficult place. And I think Donald Trump has got the opportunity to literally break the Democratic Party.

I mean, you look at all of the recriminations, it's Joe Biden's fault. It's Barack Obama's fault. It's George Clooney's fault. It's Hollywood's fault. It's Oprah's fault. Like they're all blaming everybody. They don't know. You hear people saying like, oh, we've got to moderate on social issues or we've got to be more clear populist opposition to big business. They don't know what the hell to do. They don't have an identity at all. But the conversation that we're having right now is a conversation about Donald Trump versus Republicans.

And I think if you're doing that for a prolonged period of time at the beginning of an administration, you're sort of missing the opportunity to sort of forever change not only the policy that comes after, but but the political dynamic in which Democrats live in, which they are very, very uncomfortable with, provided you have a united Republican Party that is absolutely beating the drum on them. And it just makes.

It makes Dick Durbin's job easier. It makes Chuck Schumer's job easier when we're arguing amongst ourselves. And I understand- So what you're saying, Holmes, is he can go provocative, but he can't go full-on nuclear. Yeah, I think he can do whatever the hell he wants. You just have to know that in the backdrop of all of that is that each one of these United States senators-

wake up every morning and see a president of the United States in their own mirrors, right? All of them are elected statewide. Many of them were elected. Everyone that we just mentioned on this program were elected before Donald Trump ever came around, right? So you have to try to figure out

What is the best use of your political capital? And if it's Matt Gaetz, if they decide it's Matt Gaetz, well, then it is Matt Gaetz. And then we'll see how that whole thing plays out. But I just worry about sort of the underpinning of that.

But, you know, you mentioned I think it was you, Duncan, or Ashbrook. You mentioned the the FBI. And that's another thing. I mean, the FBI is is within the DOJ. And that's the organization that raided Mar-a-Lago and tried to humiliate him. That's the organization that spied on churchgoers under Joe Biden to see if we were wearing our masks and.

That is the organization that Biden pulled in to discuss whether parents objecting to the masks and the mandates and the school lockdowns were domestic terrorists. And that is the organization that most Republicans believe needs to be shredded down to the studs and rebuilt fresh from scratch to focus on only one thing, which is law enforcement and not these investigations and so on. Um,

That is probably part of this, too. You know, there was a report. I think it was Politico today, I think, where did you see the guy who runs Polly Market had an FBI raid? The FBI raided his house this morning at 6 a.m. and took his phone and other things. And apparently one source close to Trump world in an interview to Fox.

I'll figure out what's political or Axios. I get them confused. Said he picked, it was Axios. He picked Matt Gaetz to stop shit like that. Like,

Just to look at what happened to James O'Keefe, right? Like they're trying to harass him. The FBI showed up and raided his house too after he was reporting on the Ashley Biden diary. I mean, we've really had some rogue FBI behavior here. And I can see why they think you don't want a perfectly polite, you know, Queens English pinky out tea sipping lawyer to run herd over these guys.

And that's the thing is, it's frustrating that you have Republicans in the Senate who always wonder, oh, wouldn't this cause some problems?

And the Democrats never thought, well, this caused some problems when they sent Merrick Garland, who wasn't fit for the Supreme Court, so he's not there. When they sent Eric Holder, who since running the Department of Justice has gone on to essentially start a dark money group that gerrymanders districts across America so conservatives can't have their voice heard. So we need to stop thinking about, oh, would this cause some problems? Am I going to have a tough press conference and think about what could we gain from having Matt Gaetz there? If he shows up

Day one at the FBI and says, anyone who has a problem with me, get up and leave. And you see half the people in that building leave. That's a huge win. That's a solution. Yeah. I guess at the end of the day, what I would prefer is that like the opposition, if to use an analogy from golf,

you're playing a heads up match against somebody. They take out the driver and they hit it into the water and they're out of bounds. Pull the five iron. Pull the five iron and hit it down the middle of the fairway and go and use your political capital on, I don't know, deportations, a 70-30 issue in this country, fixing the economy, ending the wars. Those things are worth using your political capital. He doesn't need to.

How does he, what do you mean? He already has the public support on those issues. So he doesn't have to burn political capital to do those things. Well, what I'm saying is the Democrats on the deportation issue will make it a circus. They're going to make it a circus on the Mac game. Yes. But when, what's his name, Homan? Homan.

Yeah. Like, oh, man. When all this, when all that stuff starts to be implemented and put in motion, there's just an effect in Washington, I think, three months into a new administration, six months where the cement starts to harden and it gets harder to do things legislatively. Right. And so if you get all of these things in process and in motion in the first hundred days, you're going to reap the political benefits

into the future. I mean, I think the biggest question- How much, wait, let me ask this quickly. How much can they slow down? How much can the Democrats slow down this confirmation hearing? So like how long will this drama be with us? Well, it's not really up to the Democrats to provide the pace. I mean, it'll be Chairman Grassley, the Judiciary Committee chair, who will set a timeline. They'll obviously have to go through

um, you know, your background checks and your financial disclosures and all of that. And once they're satisfied with the information, then he sets a hearing date. You've got hearings and ultimately, you know, report on a committee and they'll set a date for a confirmation. So Democrats can't do a whole bunch about that, but what they can do is turn the judiciary committee into a big top circus. As we saw, like during Kavanaugh, for example, um, need a help.

Yeah. And the question is, look, everything that you guys have talked about in terms of the problems with the Justice Department, the problems with Merrick Garland, you know, Eric Holder, insane, the FBI, everything they're doing. Nobody disagrees on that. I don't think there's any Republican that disagrees with the notion that we have to do something about that. I guess the question is whether or not you sent RuPaul in to do it.

Right. I mean, there's different ways. There's different ways. Holmes is not a Gates fan. I think we've determined Holmes is not behind the pick. I don't dislike him. I mean, to be honest with you, Megan, my problem has never been with Matt Gates. In fact, he's kind of said some nice things about the Ruthless Variety Program. So I have no problem with this guy. I have a problem with us just sort of pretending gravity doesn't exist. And what I really wish. We're going to find out whether it does.

Yeah. I wish we would take the opportunity to sort of like study and understand how the most effective implementations of policy have happened because we don't have a very long sound like Trump. No, it doesn't, but it doesn't. He ran a campaign that did though, you know, I mean, he ran a campaign that was technically, but this is his most sensitive area. This is like the crowd size piece of policy for him. Like,

trigger, you know, like DOJ, FBI. Imagine. I mean, I understand it for the reasons I just stated. Who has harassed Trump more than this string of DOJs? It's his own to begin with. Jeff Sessions recused, handed the thing over to Bob Mueller. Bob Mueller took over, made his life a living hell. And, you know, then he had Attorney General after Attorney General who he couldn't stand, who he didn't feel was loyal to him. And even the New York Times is reporting about this this morning, like, well, they

They were grownups who were loyal to trying to keep him in check. Well, he doesn't want that. The American public may say we like it. They may not. But Trump, he's not required to like it. This time around, he got smart for what he wants. And he's like, I'm getting a loyalist.

Well, the problem was the first time around is this guy was elected president. And what Duncan pointed out about Jim Comey is that he started his job assuming that the government who worked for him and worked for the American people and the voters who chose him would carry out his mission. What he found out on day one is that the deep state is full of people who think they're in charge, not that the voters are in charge.

And he learned that he has to fight them. And so at the same time that he has to have a smart plan and go up to the Hill and be realistic about what he's capable of achieving, he also needs to make sure that his six is covered inside of his own administration. And without the right people who are going to fist fight these bureaucrats who think they're in charge instead of the voters, he's not going to be able to get anything done there either. So-

I think like maybe Matt Gaetz doesn't ultimately get there, but whoever Trump has at the Department of Justice has to be laser focused on making sure that the voters will is represented rather than the bureaucrats will. Yeah. Mm hmm.

And the other thing that Eric Holder's DOJ did, and this DOJ as well, is sick the DOJ on police officers around the country, on entire police forces that aren't compliant with the DEI requirements or that they basically come in and take over via a forced commissary.

consent degree, which isn't consensual at all. Like we're going to make your life a living hell unless you let us basically run your policing towns like Ferguson, Missouri. And that harassment needs to end. And those are brutal fights too. So you do need a fighter who's kind of a mother. Yes, you need that. Yeah.

That's Trump. And this is the guy like, I don't know. I kind of am curious to see if it could work out. Maybe I'll rue the words. Maybe he will get confirmed and he'll go in there. It'll be a nightmare. But I'm kind of curious to see what it would be like. I want to show the audience some of what we're talking about. First, we shall look at some of the controversy around Matt Gaetz, courtesy of CNN. Talk to you.

Donald Trump's selection of Congressman Matt Gaetz to be attorney general sent shockwaves through Washington and the country yesterday. Gaetz has earned notoriety for a variety of political stunts over the years. Here he was on Capitol Hill sporting a gas mask during the COVID pandemic. But it's been his sexual, not political, exploits that have landed him in trouble in recent years.

He was accused of sleeping with an underage girl. And there's a reason why no one in the conference came and defended him, because we had all seen the videos he was showing on the House floor that all of us had walked away of the girls that he had slept with. He'd brag about how he would crush ED medicine and chase it with an energy drink so he could go all night. Oh, boy, that's a Republican. That was Senator Mark Wayne Mullen last year.

Not just a Republican. I mean, that's one of Donald Trump's most aligned Republicans in the entire conference. I mean, that is a MAGA guy through and through. Right. So what you're saying is that the confirmation hearings are going to be NC-17. Like, we should not let our children watch. Is that pretty much where we are? I don't know that we can ask for anything more. I think it's going to be must-see TV. This is the same playbook that they pulled on Trump.

They said, oh, gosh, all this salacious stuff about him. There's this Access Hollywood. Oh, and there's this porn star who now owes Donald Trump money for lying about him. It's like, when are we going to learn that you can't compromise with these people? Trump tried to compromise. He tried to play nice. He had Dianna Feinstein show up at one of those press conferences. He had Sherman Pelosi show up at press conferences. And all they did was

try to stand in his way and obstruct and now try to put him in jail. Why should he compromise on anything? And Republicans shouldn't be focused on, oh, is this going to is this can I compromise to get some more political capital? No, we got to steamroll them. We got so many electoral votes. We got the popular vote. It's not time to worry about political capital or anything. You just steamroll everyone your way because that's what the American people wanted.

Yeah, you have 100 days to get shit done. And then you're kind of like already, if you're a one term president, closing in on lame duck status. Let's take a look at Matt Gaetz. I show you do some of the negative allegations against him, though. I I posit that the gas mask incident is a positive for him. I applaud it. I fully support that. It was absurd what we were doing. And that's what he was trying to point out. Let's take a look at the combative Matt Gaetz versus Spicer.

someone who is loathed by center, center right and right along as well. Merrick Garland. Did you ever have a family member profit from

off of the notoriety of any case that you sat over. Say again, you're asking me to comment on a case currently... Well, it seems you're connecting the dots, Mr. Attorney General. I'm just asking you as to a general principle, but you are aware that Judge Mershon's daughter was profiting off of this prosecution. You are aware that that creates the appearance of impropriety. You know the very reason there's a federal rule against judges giving donations...

is because it is the very attack on the judicial process that we're concerned about. I'm sorry, I don't agree with anything you just said. Well, the judge is making money on it. The judge's family is making money on it for stuff that you yourself wouldn't do. No one's going to buy this. No one's going to believe it. It's going to create great disruption. And I am saddened by it because, like you, I have given my life to the law. I care deeply about the law. And I think that the lawfare we've seen against President Trump will do great damage well beyond our time in public service.

Let me tell you, any Republican senator go after Merrick Garland like that. That's right. And he's going to be a handful when they try to embarrass him at his confirmation hearing. Oh, yeah. No, no question about that. I mean, he's handled himself in committee rooms just about as well as anybody. Yeah. I mean, we'll see. Look, if it comes down to a rhetorical battle, I feel pretty confident that he's going to do just fine. The question is whether it gets to that or not.

Who are the likely no votes outside of Collins and Murkowski guys? I think there's about a third of that conference that wants this thing to be taken care of where they actually have to do anything about it. I think, look, what do you mean? I think if you had a vote within the house of representatives, which thankfully for him, you don't have to do, but amongst Republicans in the house of representatives, I don't know that he'd get more than 30 votes.

Like, I think this is somebody who people it's not an unknown quantity. You know, we're talking about that at Gates as though, you know, he's just sort of showed up and he's President Trump's pick. He is that. But he's also spent the last six, seven years around a whole bunch of people who now determine his fate. And that is not an irrelevant piece of this puzzle. I mean, if you have Mark Wayne Mullen, of all people expressing deep concern about his character.

that bleeds over into a whole bunch of people. And again,

They're not going to be worried, Josh, about about crossing Trump. Well, I do. I think that's why there's a whole bunch of people who have not discussed whether or not they'll be supportive or not. Unlike Pete Hegseth, where people ran out right immediately and they said, well, what a controversial pick. And people are like, well, I think it's a great pick. I think the enormous amount of Republican senators that came out for a very uncontroversial pick. And I do not just once again, I don't want to conflate two things.

There is nobody in the Republican conference in the Senate who thinks you ought to have a Merrick Garland led DOJ or that what the FBI did was, was great or that the welfare against president Trump and his allies is fair game. Like nobody thinks that everyone, everyone,

thinks that this place needs an incredible amount of work. The question is whether this is the guy who is not only most capable of doing it, but could do it at all. And that, as I think, is what's going to be litigated. Now, there's a chance he could get confirmed here, but he's got a lot of work to do, is my only point. And what I would say...

for a lot of these Republican senators, especially the ones who voted to confirm Merrick Garland is how about you rethink your thinking on what you would support for an attorney general? Were you wrong in the past? Maybe you should go with Trump. He's been right to the point that so many Americans, you have the Democrat party, AOC removed the pronouns from her bio today on Twitter. Okay. They're on the wall.

Yeah. What? They're on the run. And it's because of Trump. It's not because a bunch of Republican senators. No, it was Trump. And so he knows what he's doing. You got to get on board with this agenda. The American people have said that they wanted it. Why would Republican senators stand in the way of the mission that Trump is on that the American people have put him on?

And honestly, and it's not like the DOJ is such a vaunted institution currently in November 2024 that we have to maintain how pristine it is. We can't have untoward hands touching it. Please. Its reputation is in tatters thanks to its own behavior. Merrick Garland ruined it, absolutely ruined the DOJ. He'll have to account for that with his God when he eventually meets him. Yeah.

OK, you mentioned Chuck Schumer, who is now the minority leader and get a load of this guy. My God, that it's amazing to me to watch these guys go. It's a shot seven to my Republican colleagues. I offer a word of caution in good faith. Take care not to misread, misread the will of the people and do not abandon the need for bipartisanship.

after winning an election, the temptation may be to go to the extreme. We've seen that happen over the decades, and it's consistently backfired on the party in power. So instead of going to the extremes, I remind my colleagues that this body is most effective when it's bipartisan. Democrats will never abandon our values, but neither will we reject an opportunity to move the ball forward to make people's lives better when we can. The question is now whether or not Republicans are willing to do the same.

To my colleagues on the other side, once again, do not abandon bipartisanship. Wow. That's a completely different tune than when he was threatening Supreme Court justices when they were- Like here. Listen, Ashbrook, we have it. It's not a-

I want to tell you, Gorsuch. I want to tell you, Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. Keep going, John. If you go forward with these awful decisions.

Wow. Just perfect timing. I think that's the only time Schumer was surprised. It's the only time a crowd has cheered when he opened his mouth. You know, not exactly, not exactly a great, the worst, the worst. He's so shameless. It reminds me of a story, Megan, back in 2016, uh, Democrats were absolutely so certain that Hillary Clinton was going to win and they were going to sweep in a Democratic Senate. Uh,

In that point, it was a Republican majority that Schumer called McConnell the day before the election. And he said, you know, Mitch, this may not turn out great for you. I sure hope we can count on you and we'll work in a bipartisan fashion, but I hope I can count on your cooperation. And like, sure enough, the results come in and it's like a red wave the size of, you know, the mountains. And so McConnell called him.

Just called him back and was like, you know what, Chuck, I think that was a good idea. I think that would make a lot of sense to be cooperative. Yeah. You know, I mean, the Democratic Senate majority, you know, they are all about making D.C. a state and Puerto Rico state and eliminating the Electoral College and eliminating the filibuster. I wonder on that last one, eliminating the filibuster. There's still support of that now that now that we control the chamber.

You think about guys. Well, why don't we do it just for abortion? That's what Kamala Harris said she believed in, that we should eliminate it just for abortion. Okay, why don't we do that now? Let's eliminate minority rights in the Senate just on abortion so that the Republicans with the 51, it's going to be 53, seat majority can push through whatever national abortion legislation they want. How do we feel about that? It's so hypocritical. These people are so dishonest.

honest, it's absurd and they're not going to do it to their credit. You will not see Donald Trump or these Republicans in control of the Senate and house even try that. It's, it's a liberal pipe dream and shame on her for even pretending that it was a reality. It's not, it's not going to be. Um,

I want to spend a minute on Tulsi Gabbard. So director of national intelligence, which has gotten a lot of people upset as well. By the way, was it the greatest trade to get Tulsi for Liz Cheney? I mean, I don't think you could improve that. I'd make a sports analogy, but I don't know any.

So they're upset. They don't want her to do this. They're, they're actually back some corners of the internet with she's a Russian spy. Like she's somehow Russian because Hillary Clinton put out that nonsense when Tulsi was so effective in that 2020 presidential debate. In any event, um, what is going to happen with Tulsi? Will she be confirmed as director of national intelligence? Yeah, I think she's got a different set of criteria and that most people do like Tulsi Gabbard. And I think she's,

spent an awful lot of time over the last couple of years explaining her journey from, you know, being a Bernie Sanders supporter, essentially all the way to Donald Trump and the Republican party and where she's gone from an Intel perspective. She's got a resume that, that works amongst anyone you'd want to see there. Um,

She's a veteran. She's very smart. She spent a lot of time on these issues. I think there will probably be some pretty serious questions. I mean, this is what the nomination process should look like, by the way. I mean, you're going to have Tom Cotton, a senator from Arkansas, who's now number three in leadership, who will lead the Intel panel in the Senate. And he's got some very specific ideas when it comes to intelligence and national security that he's going to want some assurances and be addressed upon. She's going to have that opportunity.

And I think provided she handles those confirmation questions well, I could very easily see her getting confirmed.

Well, can I ask you another question? By the way, credit to Greg Price for that Tulsi for, uh, I mean, for, for the Cheney line. He tweeted that out earlier. Um, can I ask you a question? So she's going to get in there. I don't think Tulsi is an expert in national intelligence. I don't see anything in her resume that would suggest she is, but she's an honest broker. She served our country in the military. Um, obviously she was a Congresswoman. She's

I think he's hiring her for her judgment and her loyalty and her sensibilities. So is that good enough? I mean, she's going to be surrounded by a team that will help her understand the issues. But am I am I wrong? Like, as long as she's got a team that can say, here's what we're looking at. Here are the decisions we need to make. She can do this job.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, no question she can do this. I do think she's got pieces of her resume that do fit this. And I think she spent an inordinate amount of time on national security issues in her career and sort of understands it.

So there's one set of questions that is going to be most significant amongst Senate Republicans, and it comes down to a libertarian viewpoint of data collection and information collection of our intelligence agencies. This has been a battle going back to the Bush administration. Democrats used to be for it and then they were against it. Republicans have always sort of had this

viewpoint of what we ought to be collecting on foreign adversaries and the more libertarian leading side of the Republican Party think like Rand Paul has always had a problem with that. And she's sort of aligned herself with the Rand Paul view of a lot of that. That is not where the center of that conference is.

But I think when she listens to these arguments and understands fully, you're right, she's an honest broker. I think she has every capability of providing assurances that she's not going to like shut down the intelligence apparatus of the United States, as some people would want her to do. She won't do that. And I think that's not going to go spying on civilians, though.

She's not. And that's look, that is where this whole thing has gone astray and where people have tried to figure out where those lines are. It's a very complicated process, but it's one who you somebody like that with integrity could help get the base of the Republican Party back to a one view of how you handle intelligence collection from our agencies. I think the one thing that Spock mentioned earlier, which is 100 percent true and I think is

a through line on all of these picks is like Donald Trump wants people he can trust in all of these departments to execute his agenda and vision for America. And that means they have to have loyalty to that vision, whether it's Matt Gaetz or Pete Hegseth or Tulsi, somebody with a different view who reflects the mandate that the voters gave him on election day is and is there to disrupt the status quo and the failed bureaucracy. I mean, and it's not just Tulsi. It's not just Matt Gaetz. I mentioned Pete Hegseth.

You remember for the four years of the Trump administration, it'd be like the idea of a deep state became a joke in liberal media. They're like, Oh, that doesn't exist. And then the second Donald Trump's administration was over, you had tick tocks, full media reports about how people in the Pentagon slow walked his, his policies that he wanted to implement, which is,

I don't know, feels like a fireable offense. Yes. You know, that they weren't informing the president of the United States that like when he told them, hey, this is how I want to plan the step down in withdrawal in Afghanistan, they would ignore him and they'd slow walk and they would hope he would forget. That's why these picks are so important for Donald Trump. He needs people that he can deputize at these departments to fulfill his objectives. Yeah, that's right. I got to tell you this. So

Yesterday, we talked a little bit about Kristi Noem, who I admit was not my favorite after the puppy killing incident and the reports about her and Corey Lewandowski. I'm not going to lie. I changed my opinion of her, even though I really liked her when she came on the show to promote her book. But if she gets confirmed to this very important position, we are going to have to support her and I will. And the more I thought about it, the more I kept thinking along the lines of, you know, Tulsi for Liz and what a good trade this was.

who in their right mind wouldn't take Kristi Noem over Rachel Levine, which is one of the senior most HHS or department of whatever he's over at HHS officials that we have. Like, look at this. At least we're now replacing the fake women with real ones at the top of government. And I'm just thinking about some of the freaks who have been in the Biden administration. Remember Sam Brinton?

The luggage thief who was stealing the women's clothes. But even before that came out, he was parading around our government with his bald head and his big red lips and his weird clothing. This hired him to work on nuclear regulatory stuff. I guess I'm just sort of feeling like there's only so much Trump can do to shock me at this point. I don't care about the picadillos.

It puts it in perspective, Megan, and I'm so glad you mentioned this because like, you know, everyone's going to have a debate internally in the Republican Party about Donald Trump's picks and which ones they like, which ones they don't like and what the confirmation process is.

In that montage you just played, it's important perspective for everybody listening, if you're watching this. Anybody Donald Trump puts up is going to be a vast improvement on what we have now. That is 100% true. No trans luggage steal that I know of. Right. And I'm going to venture it's going to be mostly like

real women and real men. You're not allowed to not hire somebody because they're trans. That's what the Supreme Court said. Justice Gorsuch was the deciding vote. Even if they're in a position where they have to interact with people who might be very against the belief that one can trans one's body, notwithstanding what God has done to us. In any event, that's a Gorsuch thing that he, okay. In any event,

But we're certainly not going to have people parading around with bald heads and blue lips and S&M gear. At a minimum, I think President Trump will reinstitute a dress code if we get that kind of a nonsense, which is just a return to normalcy.

That's the thing is, how could any Republican senator stand in the way of President Trump when we've gone through four years of this? And like the front lawn of the White House was full of trans people who are getting topless during an event President Biden's at. Like, yes, over yourselves. What is your ego thinking that this is not how things are done in Washington? What have you seen for the past four years? President Trump is the real return to normalcy. Tom Homan with the blue lipstick. Oh, my God.

Can't imagine Tom trying to make conversation with Sam Brinton at a cocktail party. It's kind of fun to think about. But think about, so put the Kristi Noem dog thing aside, right? I mean, it's like, it wasn't a good controversy and it did cost her the vice presidency potentially, but so she's paid the price. But here she comes back and now she's going to be, if she gets confirmed running DHS, compare her to Mayorkas. Yeah. Oh my God.

We were going to get somebody in there who actually does care about the border. Trump wouldn't put her there if he didn't think she cared about the border there. I mean, it's going to be a vast improvement and she's going to have Stephen Miller and she's going to have Tom Homan. So I'm starting to feel really good about that whole lane. You know, I mean, I think we're going to see changes there really quickly. And there's nothing I mean that that we know of, at least that could stop the Kristi Noem's confirmation.

Yeah, really, really well said. I agree with you on all of those points. She also has the experience, right? She spent an enormous amount of time in the House of Representatives. She's been an executive as a governor, two-term governor of a state, and she spent an awful lot of time around Donald Trump to know exactly what it is that he wants to do on the border and cares deeply about these issues. I think it's a no-brainer. I don't see anything that stops that.

Look how she handled a puppy that was a problem. We think she's going to do it to Park Peltz. Well, yeah, so that's the one wrinkle in this. We have a new senator from West Virginia, Jim Justice. If Jim Justice is dog, he's going to want assurances. He's got to be sure that you're not coming after baby dogs.

oh God, Duncan, when they mentioned Kristi Noem was the choice, the internet, God bless X, it resurrected all those scary dog pics from their eating the dogs from that phase of the campaign. They were all over X like, Kristi Noem. Yeah.

Very funny. Very, very funny. OK, I want to play this out for you. It's not on immigration, but it's related. It's about the crime in our major cities. And here is The New York Times is Ezra Klein talking to the guys over at Pod Save America about that. Listen, the thing that surprised me least about the election was the sharp red shift

in these big cities because if you just talk to anybody who lives in them they are furious and this idea that like oh no the economy is actually good or crime is actually down this is all just Fox News like shut the fuck up with that like

Like, talk to some people who live near you. The rage I just hear from people in New York, this is partially Greg Abbott busing huge amounts of migrants here. But that does mean, by the way, there are enough migrants that Greg Abbott could bus actual human bodies to New York City. And it was a big enough problem that New York City was not able to effectively deal with it. Right. It does show that what was going on on the border was much worse. I think the Democrats were letting themselves accept the sense of disorder rising. Right. Not just crime, but homeless encampments.

trash on the streets, people jumping turnstiles in subways, crazy people on the streets. You just talk to people and they're mad about it. You have to be able to govern well. People don't follow politics, but they live in the place they live. They see if prices have gone way up. Ezra Klein says, shut the fuck up to people who say it's not a big deal.

Yeah, it's it's so refreshing to hear something like that from the left. And I got to be honest with you, Megan, it is vindication for a guy like Stephen Miller, who's been preaching about this problem for at least a decade, if not more. And everybody's like, oh, Stephen Miller, he's just complaining about immigration again. The guy understood it from the earliest days.

He and President Trump worked their asses off in the first time around to try to do something about it. And now he's in a position to execute on the problem that he has seen for so long. And I think that's one of the great things about having Trump back is he gets Stephen Miller back too. One of the things about- He saved lives.

Yeah. Oh, no question. I mean, one of the things about this election that's so interesting, if you take the like border security and immigration deal just as itself, in history, it's been a base Republican issue. This is the first election in my lifetime where it has bled into the center and center left. Why is that?

He talked as reclined, just talked about it, busing what DeSantis and Abbott were doing of sharing the problem that they had with the country, with the places in the country that wanted to pretend like it didn't exist. Sanctuary City changed the conversation in a way where people are like, oh, man, that is a problem. And you saw it electorally change this map. Yeah, I guess I would just say as a caveat to all of this is like,

Ezra Klein feels comfortable saying that now. Yeah. Now, because it's after the election and all these liberal journalists, and I saw it in Washington, D.C., you know, they would to mock the idea that the city had become lawlessness and there was too much crime. It's gone down. They take pictures during the day and stuff.

arc and be like, oh, I'm so scared to be here in D.C. And so they were making fun of the American people for the last four years about this problem. The American people showed up on Election Day. Spot on. And now suddenly they're having to come to Jesus, which I don't buy at all. That's right, Duncan. Yeah. Where was your honesty when it counted?

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I gotta get your reaction because you guys are all Senate know everything's. John Thune won. Yes, yes, we are. John Thune won for a majority leader. He's going to be taking the role that Mitch McConnell said he would retire from. This is despite a last minute effort by Rick Scott, the entirely pro MAGA loyalist versus the other two who are conservative, Cornyn and Thune who are in the running. But I guess slightly less pro MAGA. I mean, they're fine with MAGA. They're just not like

Rick Scott. So Thune won. And then after all that, Rick Scott got 13 votes. So it didn't go very well for him. So what does this mean? Because some of the Cora Maga are fretting that John Thune is going to be somehow against Trump or try to try to thwart his agenda.

Yeah, I don't think that's going to be the case. In fact, I don't think there was a dime's worth of difference between Thune, Cornyn or Rick Scott in terms of their energy that they're going to expend trying to get the Trump agenda done and his nominees in place. I think the biggest issue when you look at is what are you hiring for within the Senate? And the way I've tried to explain it to people is if a Trump tweet gets you 47 percent.

who is that the that is best positioned to get you the last four to get to 51. And it's all about relationships within that building. And, you know, the external pressure that you can put on the House of Representatives is significant. They're up every two years. These people are up every six. A lot of people were elected, you know, before President Trump came down the escalator and they built their own coalitions and their own constituencies. And so ultimately it

It is about which leader has a relationship with their colleagues that is able to control them to get to a point where they are a yes on these nominees, where they are a yes on the tax bill that's inevitably coming. All that stuff is going to be super contentious. And you can bet there's going to be 46, 47 votes that Trump's position alone is

is good enough to get there. But 46 or 47 doesn't get you to 51 to make law. And I think John Thune is uniquely able to have those conversations. He's had these relationships with senators for a very, very long time. He knows what it is that they care about, and he can make deals to figure out how to get these things over the finish line.

So I think that's ultimately the good news for people who are maybe fretting about, you know, is this guy all in versus somebody who they perceive as being all in? He's definitely all in. There's no question about that. The question is, how can you be effective? And I think he's going to be tremendously effective. And just brass tacks. I mean, John Thune has had the job.

of vote counter. He's been whipped, you know? So like, this is a guy who's has that experience of building all those relationships and knows what these members need. And, and to Holmes's point, like you don't make law if you don't get to 51. So like, well, 50, 50 now, right? Yeah. 50 now, which is good because you'd have JD three.

So they can lose three. So, so on any given a piece of legislation, let's say, let's say Trump really wants to get a border bill through and he doesn't want to do this all by executive order this time. He'd like to get law on the books that requires the next guy to do it the way Trump's doing it. Um,

who are likely to be the squishes in the Senate because, you know, well, I guess, I mean, he's got to, it's going to be tight in the house too. They've got a four vote margin we expect. And now they're losing Congress and left and right. The elevated Stefanik, um, walls, the other guy, uh, for CIA and now Gates is out.

I'm assuming we're guessing these people will also be replaced by Republicans, but it could take a while. But so we've got Murkowski and Collins, Mitt Romney still in the U.S. Senate. That's three right there who don't always vote, you know, in line with Trump's ideals. Let's say we can anticipate how many more does he need to worry about?

So Romney's done actually in January and his replacement has arrived. But I think you look at it in terms of, yes, there's an ideological issue when it comes to the Susan Collins's and Lisa Murkowski's. But always is the case with any piece of legislation. There are there are pieces of parochial concern. Right. And you saw that play out like in the 2017 tax bill where Republicans voted.

all wanted it to get done, but they had different pieces that they were concerned about. I remember Ron Johnson and Steve Daines were vitally concerned about the idea that you had this huge corporate tax cut, but small businesses didn't get any piece of it. And so they had, they were a no until they came back to them and started to work through what a small business tax cut would look like. That's going to show up. And it has nothing to do with ideological components to it. It's like, what do I need for my constituents?

And it doesn't matter. We get that. We get all that. They all have their weird little things. But like you can look at Collins and Murkowski and predict, you know, they're soft. They're they're not going to vote the way the normal Republicans are. They're kind of they're almost Democrat light, Republican light. I don't know where you put them. But is there another like who else comes to mind is like, be be wary.

Well, sometimes it's off the other side of the spectrum as well, like especially on an issue like immigration or border security, where you actually end up in trouble with the conservatives, like a Mike Lee or a Ted Cruz. I'm not saying they won't get there. I'm just saying it's not always the squishes, the Collins, the Murkowski they have to worry about in some of the situations. It really does depend on the issue, right? Because there was a lot of fear of that when we had those contentious SCOTUS confirmation fights, where, I mean, some of these people...

You know, like a Cory Gardner comes to mind who, you know, swing state people don't think he was as conservative as some of these other people, but came out and supported those judicial nominees. Susan Collins comes to mind that, too. So, like, it's a little more complicated than it's like these three votes on every issue that we have to be concerned.

And you also got to remember that sweeping legislation on something like immigration will take 60 votes. So you're going to start counting Democrats to get to get rid of the filibuster just for this one issue. Just for this one. You can you can you can address immigration narrowly through. Josh mentioned the 2017 tax bill. They used a process called reconciliation for that that allowed the bill to be passed at 51 vote threshold. And so you can do some things on immigration.

under reconciliation, but not as much as you would like to. We're going to break out the blue books and give you a big legislative lesson for you and your audience. I mean, it's starting to get interesting because actually, like, we could get some reasonable things through once and for all. And, you know, we'll see. But I mean, Chuck Schumer is totally in favor of bipartisanship. So it's exciting. I think he's on board with the MAGA agenda, guys. That's what he was clearly trying to telegraph. Yeah.

We got to spend a minute on Trump on Capitol Hill yesterday. Oh, my God. So he goes, Hitler himself walked into the White House and shook hands with the guy who'd been telling us he was Hitler. And I think Joe Biden likes Hitler. He's pro Hitler now. Let's just watch some of the video because it's really fun to see. Here's some pictures. Look at this, you guys.

They're all smile. Have you? It's been a long time since I've seen Joe Biden this happy. My friends that right there on screen, right? As a Trump voter. Am I wrong? Prove me wrong. You're not wrong. I think they're planning a tea time at that moment. You know, they really should do that. That would be incredible.

Some of the memes out there were like, you know, just having Trump say, and then I went to McDonald's and then I dressed up as a garbage man. Brilliant. It was brilliant. See how I helped you out by calling people garbage? Anyway. We were marveling over the eight airplane locks in that fireplace behind us. That is roaring. Can you imagine? It must be like 400 degrees in that room. Yeah. Yeah.

It looks amazing to me, you know, me with my 76 degree studio. I'm really wrestling with the whole thing because on the one hand, I love to see it. You do love to see it. You know, it's the way it used to be. Peaceful transition of power. They say mean things during the campaign, but we always come together. Trump blew that apart in 2020, which was no bueno at all.

But here they are back at it. But I just feel like it's also so disingenuous because Joe Biden's DOJ has been trying to put Trump in jail for the rest of his life. And his entire party has been calling Trump Hitler even after he took a bullet to the head. So it's just to me, it's very hard to look at that guy on screen. Right. And be like, yes, shake his hand, Trump, you know, rah, rah.

Yeah. I mean, I'm certainly not like in the forgiving mood when it comes to how they've treated president Trump throughout this campaign, but it is kind of nice to have them watch them sort of grovel at this point. Yeah. Like there is a, I think there's an element of shot and Freud to the whole thing. Oh yeah. Just like,

Oh, man, he's got to sit there. But you know what? He actually looks like he enjoys it. I mean, I don't know about the White House staff. You know, he looked fun. Well, the White House staff did scramble out. So when Trump was walking in, they were flocking to the steps just to catch a glimpse of him. So you've got the most famous man in the world history walking in and nothing proves that the king has returned quite like Biden's staff just trying to catch a look. Yeah.

Okay. But what do we think is really going on? Because do we have the video you guys have, um, Jill Biden and Kamala Harris sitting next to each other in the veterans day ceremony, right? Pull it over, pull it over. Um, because that was amazing, right? Like we'll, we'll drop it in, but it's the two women sitting next to each other and it, you could feel the tension. You, you could cut the tension with the knife, right?

And it seemed clear, although we watched a longer version of the tape and at one point we saw them smile at each other. But in the moment where Kamala Harris comes in and sits down, it is frosty to say the least. So what why would Jill Biden hate Kamala Harris, which is what the tape looks like? This this is this is how Kamala Harris treats all Trump voters. She's always been bad to Trump voters like this. And you got to understand.

It's actually really interesting, though, like pathology behind the hatred of this goes back to the Biden and Obama camps hating each other. Yeah. You had Michelle Obama, who was very friendly with Trump.

Hunter Biden's ex-wife. And so they never liked Hunter Biden. And of course, Joe and Jill are pretty fond of Hunter Biden. So there's always been this chilly relationship. And as we all now know, it was team Obama behind dethroning Joe Biden, throwing him to the wolves and then throwing in Kamala instead to be on the ticket.

So those two sides have never liked each other. They were also discouraging. Just remember, they were discouraging Joe Biden from a 2016. Yep. They basically cleared the way. But that explains the Obamas versus the Bidens. This is VP on P blood. This is Jill Biden hating Kamala, which I'm just going to say, if you believe the narratives we've been fed, it's

Kamala was not behind the coup. Kamala was a reluctant comer to the nomination. She did nothing until Joe Biden surprisingly called her that Sunday to say, I'm bowing out and I'm going to endorse you. And she said, thanks a lot, my good friend.

And then she ran and she didn't crap on Joe Biden. You know, she had opportunities. She didn't do it. So why does Jill Biden stare at her like the devil just showed up in the seat next to her?

Well, of course, it's all a bullshit story, right? I mean, the idea of the two- There it is. You know? Look, she was eagerly anticipating the opportunity, shall we say. And it didn't start that way of her actually defending Joe Biden at all. If you looked at their convention, it was like all the problems that beset the American people just shouldn't...

Is the old guys responsible for all that? And I just showed up and I'm going to fix it all. It was a very much change message until you started getting these stories out of the White House, these process stories about how irritated the Bidens were with that brand of messaging, which I honestly think contributed to the ultimate gaffe of all gaffes that she made on The View, where she's like, oh, I can't think of anything I would do differently because of that sensitivity that began to set in because she knew the Bidens were so pissed off at the way she was handling it.

Hmm. The other thing is now that she's lost, I mean, everyone on her team is like Biden first. They're like racists and sexists and Biden. Right. So I think they're, Jill is probably like F right off Kamala. I mean,

I mean, I don't think they really wanted her in the first place. Like, I think this goes back to 2020 and, you know, basically the coup in the Democratic presidential primary that Biden executed with Clyburn from South Carolina after he got boat raced in Iowa and New Hampshire by Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar. And then you get to South Carolina where Biden's going to do well. And suddenly all these people who beat him decide to get out of the race. And endorse him. And endorse him. And part of that deal was...

I'm going to pick a black woman to be my vice president.

Lo and behold, he picked probably the worst one in America. And she's not even black. She's not even black, as it turns out. I don't know. You go back and read the reports out of the first three and a half years of this administration about how she handled the job as vice president, the shouting matches she would get in with staff, the reams of research papers they prepare for her. Then she wouldn't read. She'd do poorly on on camera and then complain to the staff. She had like a turnstile in the office. Yeah.

I just think Joe Biden is smiling now and Jill Bryant Biden is angry because like, you know, he's a very old Irishman and an very old Irishman who's that stubborn loves being proved. Right. It's true. And he's, he's telling himself and she's telling him that he would have won, that this was all unnecessary. He was right all along. She was of course always going to lose and he could have, he could have won this thing. Um,

to my point of like, they welcomed Hitler, you know, talking about how, how did Trump do it? How did he walk into that, into that white house and shake his hand and, and magnanimously be like, you know, politics is rough, but today's a nice day and shake the hand of the guy trying to put him in jail through his DOJ.

Um, how did Joe Biden do it? If he genuinely believes all the things he and his team have been saying about Donald Trump, it's a question raised by Charlemagne over on, on his radio show. And he too has said that Trump is a fascist. He was, and he made Kamala say that Trump is a fascist. And now he's really wondering why no one actually meant it. Listen.

So welcome back.

He was happy too. He was happy. He was smiling. He was grinning. He was cheesing. Say cheese. He was saying he was cheesing. I'm just- Say cheese. Man's got a point. He got a great point. And that's the thing is, I think it's become very apparent to the American people that the Democrats actually believe in nothing except power. They just want to accumulate power. They have no core beliefs whatsoever left in this country. And so when you have Trump show up and the whole public sees Joe Biden being like, oh yeah, this is just a normal day.

Well, I mean, weeks earlier, Joe Biden got in some trouble saying that like, uh, we should put Donald Trump in jail. Yeah. Right. So, so this shows that the Democrats were completely disingenuous their entire campaign. The cornerstone they made it was that Trump is a fascist. Trump is an existential threat.

Well, clearly he wasn't if they're willing to welcome him back. This is not Germany in 1933. That's just what they do now is they malign their political opponents even after someone tries to assassinate. But this is one of the instances in which I think Donald Trump is at his best because he could return, sir, and he could be rhetorically as negative as they were the entire last political campaign. But he chooses not to. And why?

Well, because there's nothing greater in humiliating a defeated opponent by making them shake your hand and smile in pictures with you. I mean, it's just the greatest thing. Jerry on top. There was, did you guys see the New York times followed this, um, focus group of, I think it was 13 young voters since August and was asking them, how are you going to vote? And they had, they were all over the board. They had someone voted for Trump last time around. Sometimes somebody voted for Biden. Some hadn't voted at all. And, um,

The vast majority of the voters voted Trump this time around, I'm sure to the New York Times shock and to the shock of some of the young people who were there, who were in part of the group. And listen to this woman. Her name is Lillian. She's 27. She's from Virginia. She's white in digital advertising. She did vote for Donald Trump in 2020. And this time around, she said, I voted for Trump.

And I made the decision the same day the mainstream media was having a meltdown after the MSG rally. I also saw an ad from Democrats about abortion misinformation, and that really made me upset. I said, you know what? I'm going to vote for Trump. Everybody hates him.

Yeah. Yeah. And look, it's the most powerful tool that he has and that he has all the right enemies. I mean, the people that are the most despicable people in public discourse all hate him. And when you see them so upset and rhetorically over the top, it's like, oh, man.

I, you know, I got, I kind of love that. I love that. And the MSG thing was such a perfect example of that, right? They would have the American public believe that all of a sudden, if you were of Puerto Rican descent, that a roast comedian overtakes your concerns about the border, about the economy, all that stuff, because a roast comedian did a bit at Madison Square Garden. Like it's just disingenuous and ridiculous. And if you listen to that as a voter, you're like, man, I'm,

Not for any. Well, because it's insulting your intelligence. Yeah. Right. And like you see those abortion ads that lied and you're like, wow, that's insulting my intelligence as well. And so then you're going back in the catalog of things that the media has told you about Donald Trump. And you're thinking, well, maybe those are lies, too, because they're willing to lie in the ads. Why about this rally? What else are they lying about? So they did it to themselves. You don't think your passion was small businesses? No.

You don't think she eats no for breakfast? Not only did Trump win despite that, but now he has Democrats questioning whether their identity politics tactic is worth pursuing any further. I mean, you have the Clinton in the wokes internally in a way that we haven't seen in quite some time. It is it's one of the best outcomes of this election.

What's your prediction on that? Because you mentioned AOC that she took her pronouns out of her bio, which is amazing. Apparently, my crack team tells me two years ago, she also took her pronouns out of one of her bios on one of the social media sites and then promptly posted this. Oh, I'm sorry about that. They used to be on there. Let me go in and check and see if I can add them. Sorry about that. They used to be there. I guess they fell off, but I'll put them on right now.

They fell off? What? They fell off. They fell off. What happened? How do your pronouns fall off of your bio?

Anyway, we don't know if it's real. That's the issue, right? Is that like the base of their party is that and it's less people than it is us. And that's why they lost that election. But they have a very strong enforcement mechanism with people like AOC on the Internet. There is a litmus test for these people and includes putting your pronouns into everything. And yeah, they are having a little bit of a come to Jesus moment here and starting to think internally about what they've done on social issues or whatnot.

But that's only going to last so long as there's a vacuum in the information flow for all of their supporters. And with Donald Trump putting up all these nominations and a listener to Ruthless mentioned this in a comment on today's show. But like with all of this going on, they're going to get right back into the breach with the craziest woe takes because they have to because they have to keep the base of their party happy. And I think ultimately that's going to be their undoing.

Well, let's talk about the postmortem that the Dems are going through right now because they're blaming everything but Kamala, frankly. And I'm going to have more to say on that soon. But there's a big piece out now that, let's see, in The Nation, that Liz Cheney was an electoral fiasco for Kamala Harris. And they go through the places where Liz Cheney appeared with Kamala and she drove up

The Trump vote. She did not help Kamala at all, which comes to the surprise of no one sitting here. Politico did a piece talking about how, let's see, Muslim leaders in Michigan who were out there stumping for Trump, interviewing people and talking about why the Muslim vote went Trump's way. This is a quote from one leader there.

What really pushed me over the edge is when Kamala Harris brought Liz Cheney to our backyard. Liz Cheney didn't help, but can we fairly blame the loss on her?

No, I mean she's certainly part of it. The constituency, as we have found out for the Liz Cheney's of the world and like the Tim Miller's and the Bill Kristol's and this sort of bizarre never Trump movement that like is somehow went from conservative to very liberal and then tried to pretend like it was all the same. Like the constituency doesn't exist. Yep. And you could see them when they were watching the election returns. Yeah.

the realization on their face that they're literally speaking to like, Oh no, is our grift over? It's like, let's impart. But I mean, I also posit that when you're like putting white papers out about tax breaks for, you know, black men in the last week of your campaign, like you're just not,

where you ought to be from a messaging standpoint. They just never got there. I don't think you can blame Liz Cheney for Kamala Harris losing. What you can blame is their fascination with the Never Trump movement as a constituency. Right.

attracting the Democrats from answering the questions about the simple pocketbook stuff that decided this election. And they couldn't figure out how to do that. They couldn't talk about the border. They were talking about, you know, Liz Cheney. And like the distraction is ultimately what cost her. Yeah. And with any luck, we'll face Kamala Harris again in 2028. I mean, I don't.

I don't think they will learn their lesson. And one good indicator of the way that party is headed is what they did with the state of Iowa. Remember, on the Democrat side, just as the same way as on the Republican side, the state of Iowa used to be the first vote that everybody in a primary had to go through. They removed that from their calendar so that people from California and people from the East Coast who want to be president on the Democrat side don't have to talk to voters and fly over country.

And as long as they don't have to check a box or learn how to talk to people from Iowa, they are absolutely going to keep nominating lunatics.

Mm hmm. I maintained on this show in the past week and before there's no they can't excise woke ism from their party. It's too ingrained. It has metastasized. It's stage five. It's I'm sorry. The honest oncologist will tell you it's over for you. So there's going to have to be some sort of a separation that that that branch of the Democrat Party is going to have to become like the never Trump branch of the Republican Party, exiled, irrelevant and a joke.

if Democrats want to win again. You're going to have to forge on without them. You will not be able to convince them to stop saying their crazy shit.

I mean, I think that's the thing is they've become so insular. I've called them they're a single issue, single gender party that doesn't believe in gender. So that's not exactly how you build the winning coalition. And I don't think they're going to moderate. I saw a clip the other day from The Daily Show where Jon Stewart said, OK, here's what the problem is. And then he ran some ads

that you saw in swing states where Democrats who are running were trying to say, I do see that the border is a problem and that, you know, the economy isn't great. And him and his audience were shocked. And they're like, no, they should have been running further to the left. Yeah, that's their diagnosis from getting shellacked. They're like, no, we didn't go far left enough. Yeah.

He's as woke as they come. I mean, I don't know if you caught this exchange. I don't run Jon Stewart clips on this show because he's too big a prick. And that's saying something. I run a lot of prick sots on it, but no, F him.

Uh, and I don't recommend you click on his videos on the internet either. Cause it just inures to his benefit. Um, here is a clip from CNN yesterday. This involves a woman who I actually don't know who she is. Uh, and also Nicole Hannah Jones is in it. And the valiant Scott Jennings, once again, trying to be the voice of reason, explaining to them why she lost, why it's not a good thing that the military is woke.

And I believe the longer discussion was about why peak headset Hegseth will be a good choice to sort of clean some of that up within DOD. So take a listen to this piece of the conversation.

Did you see the election results? I did see the election results. We just put the biggest multiracial coalition together in the history of the Republican Party. Let me ask you a question. When you say anti-woke, when you say woke, do you think about a certain class of people, a certain group of people outside of yourself? I'm just asking you that question. It sounds like that to me because I am a black woman and I'm speaking from my experience. So I'm asking you from your experience.

When you hear anti-woke or woke, does that identify a group of people? That's all I'm asking you because I'm asking you to help me understand so I know what you're saying. I mean, I tend to think about hyper-liberal people who have a fundamental disregard for, you know, the underpinnings about founding of our country.

And and who want to fundamentally change our society in ways that are not in line with a vast majority of American citizens. That's what I tend to think about. I mean, those were my Republicans. My point is, my point is that he wants to criticize Lloyd Austin and the secretary of the army, both of whom are black men in the highest levels of the military. And a lot of the arguments is that they're woke.

which, to Carrie's point, it sounds like it's cold for... It sounds very much about a group of people that it's cold. It sounds like dog whistle politics. It sounds like you're talking about a group of black people.

I keep going. Just keep it up. Good luck getting that out of your party. The anchor, the guests, Carrie Champion is her name, former sportscaster. But you because they want Lloyd Austin gone, they're anti-black when they cite the fact that he's woke and he's pushing a woke military that makes you anti-black.

Just as an aside, that's the best comedy on television today. I don't know if you've seen every day. There's a, there's seven different clips from that show where it is an absolute circus. And still no one's watching it, by the way, it still has terrible ratings. The clips are just circulated amongst people like us to make fun of.

I like to call it the CNN therapy hour. The downside is there may be a side effect to consuming this drug, and that is PPE. You don't want prolonged exposure. That is for sure. Wait, what's the side effect? Did you say ED? Because that probably comes too. No. No.

I said CTE, you know, from... Although, although... Maybe. You can make the case. It's amazing that, like, you see these clips and Scott Jennings is like, here's my advice, be normal. And they're like, no. Racist. Yeah.

It's so amazing. I got another example of it. Now, this person is not a politician and she's not a newscaster, but she's pretty famous. And she's been in the news for bad things over the past couple of years, as far as the right half of the country is concerned. Her name is Rachel Ziegler.

Ziegler. I don't know. Ziegler. Okay. There's something wrong with this person. She's also known as the star of Snow White and the Disney movie. Remember she was out like a couple of years ago being like, there's certainly not going to be a prince rescuing me. I can tell you that. And then Disney, even Disney got on its heels and they're like, we're going to reshoot the movie immediately. Like we're going to make some changes because there was so much backlash to her arrogance and just inanity that

Well, she's back and she's very, very upset about the Trump win. Okay. Here is, this is a post she made on X. Here's what she posted.

And by the way, she's starring right now on Broadway's Romeo and Juliet. So don't go see that. She writes, I find myself speechless in the midst of this. Another four years of hatred leaning us towards a world I do not want to live in, leaning us towards a world that will be hard to raise my daughter in.

P.S. She has no daughter. She has no children at all. Leaning us towards a world that will force her. Who's her? Your daughter who doesn't exist. OK, to have a baby she doesn't want. Talk about borrowed worry, fellas. Leaning us towards a world that is fearful. Yeah. Twenty three years old. No kids. I shouldn't be this shocked, but I am. I am heartbroken for my friends who awoke.

with fear this morning. And I am here with you to cry, to yell, to hug, to wax poetic on how the left continues to fail us in forging a new path forward. This loss should not have been, and it certainly should not have been by so many votes.

I echo Ethel Kane's statement more than anything. May Trump supporters and Trump himself never know peace. What the F? Then she discusses the deep, deep sickness in the country. There's no help, no counsel in any of them. She attacked Twitter and Elon and finished with fuck Donald Trump.

Oh, man. Hello, Disney. You're going to have to redo your film again because this woman is a pig and you fired Gina Carano for far less than this nonsense.

That's the thing is so Disney, I mean, this saga, like you said, goes back a very long time. So she initially comes out and Disney's first film that they ever won an Academy award with was Snow White. It's beloved by, you know, children and parents all over the world. And she says that that's actually a very creepy story. Uh,

A woman doesn't need to be rescued by a prince and just attacks the film that is the cornerstone of everything Disney's built. They have this like PR move where she goes on. She's like, no, actually, I love Snow White. It's a very nice story. And she steps in it again. And this comes at a time when Disney stock keeps going down. Yeah. And they're like, please just do not say anything. And yet again, they can't moderate. It's so simple. It's like we took all these

beloved things that everybody loves and we ruin them and we're shocked that we lost this election. Yeah. But people, you know, revolted against that. Yeah, no, there are a variety of responses that come to mind when you hear her post, but it is music to my ears. And I'm not sure which part she's playing in Broadway's Romeo and Juliet, but I feel like that sets her up for a leadership position in the Democrat Party. And I would like to see her on a major party. Yeah.

Totally.

Of course she's Juliet, of course. And they'll have no problem with this. Can you picture a Broadway actress who issued a post saying F Biden supporters, may Biden or Kamala never have a moment's peace. That person would be fired so fast it would make your head spin. They wouldn't last one more minute in any Hollywood role. It's

This is truly like...

She has to go. I'm sorry, Disney. She has to go. Right now, they're dealing with the controversy with ABC, with one of their biggest stars, Michael Strahan, who refused to put his hand over his heart for the anthem. And the blowback just for that, he stood there with his hands in front of him, even though he's the son of a military vet. The blowback has been enormous. It is dominating the Daily Mail now for a week, for four days now, whatever, since Veterans Day. For that, and you're going to

put out a Disney film with Snow White, a beloved American character with a woman who hates more than half the country, the half that just elected Donald Trump. This is an incredible pivot point right now. We'll see which way the woke Disney decides to go.

Yeah, no, no question about it. I also think it's sort of a microcosm of this larger issue that Democrats and progressives have had in that they literally need to implant brain damage into people. And you see it like, I mean, look at that quote that you just read from her. I mean, she's completely insane. If you're going to distract

millions of people from a failed economic policy, open borders, things that demonstrably make their lives totally worse. The only way to do that is to give them actual brainwash. Right. It's like really pollute their information flow to the point where they don't know how to handle themselves in public. And like, you just don't see that on the right hand side. Yeah. You know, it's like you can have huge disappointments, but it's like, you know, life goes on.

For them, it's like, no, it's the end of eternity because I'm surrounded by this information flow that has convinced me that literally is coming back. And it's just it's sad, honestly. Right. It's no wonder that institutions like Disney and ABC are so out of touch with reality when you consider the fact that they 80 percent, 90 percent of the people who work in both of those organizations think exactly like she does. Yeah.

And until they have a 50-50 split, they're not going to understand. A 50-50, like half Republican, half Democrat. Until they have that, they're not going to understand how to talk to regular people. Well, Ashbrook, there's a report out today about how these so-called mainstream, meaning corporate media dinosaurs, are in a full-blown panic right now trying to find—

people who actually understand Donald Trump and his voters to come and be commentators on their shows like The View. Then there's this whole debate about is somebody going to get fired? Because already, believe it or not, they have two purported conservatives on The View right now. I know you don't know that. But the

But they all hate Trump. They all hate Trump. So it's like, well, do they bring in a seventh chair under the already crowded table or do they fire somebody, replace an app with an actual Trump supporter? I'll be shocked if they find an actual, even Meghan McCain was never a Trump supporter. She was just a conservative. They haven't had an actual Trump supporter on there, I think ever. So that's the same network. So they're worried about how to get a conservative, a Trump supporter on The View that's going to put out this with

with this star who hates us, who's a woke Snow White. Like they don't know what to do. They have no conservatives in their lives. They aren't out of the echo chamber. They're in the same echo chamber as this Rachel Ziegler is. And that's why they can't figure out how to fix anything.

Right, and you don't solve the problem with window dressing. One person sitting on the desk at The View having a conservative point of view is not going to change the problem because they're going to get bullied to keep them come when the cameras go off. They need to change.

culture of these places. It has to be half Republican, half Democrat, just like the rest of our country. And in the case of ABC, I think they should hire 50.2 percent of their staff. There we go. Republican to look exactly the way the popular vote looked last year.

I mean, I guarantee you the crew over there is already Republican. The crews tend to be more leaning. They're the best piece of network news. I love all the crew guys I work with, even at NBC. But the on-air talent and the producing staff and the administrative staff is a different story. So they're not going to. And that's the problem. It won't work. You're right, because look what's happening on CNN. We just played the clip with the great Scott Jennings, who's been a one-man band over there trying to take down these liberal talking points. It's entertaining for us to watch.

He's not saving CNN. CNN's ratings are in the fucking toilet. Sorry, they are. So,

So it doesn't, it's not going to save you unless you actually change the way your network is set up until you actually get the big first sit down with Kamala Harris and you send a real journalist in there. Not you, Dana Bash, to ask actually hard questions with follow-ups that are pressing. It's not that hard. It was a mere 10 years ago that you had journalists over there who would do it. You let it slip away too fast. All right, wait, let me take a break.

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The reason for doing it and kissing goodbye my 1.9 million followers over there is because I hadn't been posting for a long time. I just didn't want to contribute content once it was purchased by its present owner. But just having it there, I was only holding on to it

it because I really didn't want someone trying to take over that name and using it for nefarious purposes. I was a little bit worried about that. The name of Joy Reid on X is what she's referring to. She's peaced out from X, guys. And this makes me thrilled. Goodbye. We won't miss you. Take care. And she is not the only one.

I'm going to give you another video. This one too is going to bring a little single tear of joy. Watch. I have loved connecting with all of you on Twitter and then on X for all of these years, but it's time for me to leave the platform. Take care. I once believed that it was a place for honest debate and discussion, transparency and free speech.

but I now feel it does not serve that purpose. Starting this Friday, November 15th, X is implementing new terms of service, which among other things, states that, quote, all disputes be brought exclusively in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas or state courts located in Tarrant County, Texas. As the Washington Post recently reported on X's decision to change the terms,

This, quote, ensures that such lawsuits will be heard in courthouses that are a hub for conservatives, which experts say could make it easier for X to shield itself from litigation and punish critics. I think that speaks for itself. Oh, my God. Isn't that great? He's out.

And she's out. And he wants us to believe it's because of the forum selection clause in the new Twitter tours as opposed to the fact that everyone hates him. Yeah.

Ah, yes. And she's only been there, guys, because she didn't want someone to seize her name and misuse that. Okay, sure. I mean, these people, this is a rash. It's a rash of Twitter exits. Jamie Lee Curtis quit. Bette Midler deleted her account. The Guardian, you know, the paper left X. It's been absolutely delightful to see them run.

Well, the hilarious thing is if you look at the metrics, there's more people who are joining and the metrics in terms of the number of tweets, the people who are on there keep hitting new record highs. And it's not an airport. You don't have to announce your departure. Like no one cares. People leave. Yeah.

If their lesson from like, wow, looks like we didn't know what the American people are actually concerned about. Are we in an information silo? Let's all leave and create our own. Super great takeaway from not knowing what people think is like, oh, no, I need my own information silo. This has gotten way out of hand.

But also like the people who might help me. Like Joy Reid to her. She was squatting on her account basically because she was afraid somebody would take it and use it for nefarious purposes. Just as a resident expert, Smug, is there anything that we could do with that name that would pollute the Internet? I would absolutely.

We could start having like using her name to send out normal tweets and people like, what's going on? You can throw out like a few, like a chief justice, John Roberts, the way to stop discriminating by race is to stop discriminating by race. People be like, what? So,

So she got hacked here. Mark and Drayson, he, he posted the following in response to all this X needs a dramatic exit button. It's so true. Like to your point, I'm leaving. I'm leaving dramatic exit. Here I go.

everybody. Here I go. It's like the Irish goodbye. When you, when you announce your Irish, I'm Irish. Good buying. It's happening. I'm leaving Irish. Good buying. You're completely undercut your whole point. They just want attention. And you know what else? They'll be back because Joy Reid can't stand to lose her 1.9 million. And Twitter is the best. It's the best news source there is.

Right. She checked the amount of followers she has, which tells you everything you need to know. They're just vain people who love attention. They love to be dramatic, just like that woman who made the Instagram post. She's in theater. They're in theater, too. They'll be back because they love a crowd. There was one that really did break our heart because it goes to the core of the game that we play on the Ruthless Writing Program, King of the Hill. Jennifer Rubin. Yeah, that's going to be a real content hit for the writing program.

Yeah, you know, I mean, we've been using her stuff for years and I don't know what we're going to do. Well, that's the thing. Ashbrook said we should name the King of the Hill trophy after her, just like, you know, in the NFL, the Super Bowl trophy is the Vince Lombardi trophy. It would be the Reuben. Yeah. Well, here's what she said, though. She said she's going to post work on

on X, but she's no longer going to communicate on X. And now she's protected her tweets. And this guy at Politico, Adam Wren posted in response,

You can find my statement on why I'm leaving X and all my answers to replies about why I've left X and all replies to replies about why I've left X, as well as all my future posts exclusively on X. That's pretty good. RT that now. Jump on that.

But I'm leaving. I'm gone. You won't have me to kick around anymore. Just all my content, but not me personally, except occasionally when I have something important to say. And then you won't even be able to reply to me unless I think it's a really good post and I want to open up the replies and see how many clever ones I get. But other than that, I'm done. It's over. I'm off X. How about The Guardian?

Like this is a news source and it tweets out the U.S. presidential election campaign served only to underline what we've considered for a long time, that X is a toxic media platform and that its owner, Elon Musk, has been able to use its influence to shape political discourse. This is supposed to be a news outlet that can't take news it finds upsetting.

Right. It's the exact opposite. Yeah. Right. I mean, it's supposed to be a news outlet. It's, it's the shaping is what they're concerned about. And the fact that they can't do it anymore because you've got people on X where free speech is actually back again.

back again. And the thing that they loved about Twitter, its predecessor was that they would shape it. Right. And you just wouldn't see any pins that they disagree. And just compared to 2020 where then ownership of Twitter and the regime that they had in place would ban and block people who posted about Hunter Biden's laptop. They're like, Nope, this is disinformation. I got banned for a week for zooming in on a picture that Hunter Biden's from his laptop

of him on a bed with hookers and there was some like stuffed animal on the bed and I just zoomed in and tweeted the picture of the stuffed animal and I got banned for a week. Pervert.

Where it used to be. And they're not, for a news organization, they're not comfortable in an environment where people can freely discuss ideas. That has the problem right there. One thing that's kind of funny, over the last couple of years, there have been these left-wing alternatives to X that have stood up. And somebody went through them over the last week and they said, you'll notice every single post is complaining about X. Oh, no way. I mean, I do believe it.

That's, you know, I look at this and I think these people wouldn't last one day living the way right-leaning people live in this country. Where everything around you is controlled by the other side. The messages are uniformly against your worldview. The messages your kids get at school, the ads you see while riding the bus, the ads

Advertisements for the new movies on Netflix, the papers that arrive at your house, the cable news anchors, the debate hosts, the sports arenas, everything is against you. They wouldn't last one day living in our shoes.

100 percent right. Yeah. I mean, they're like, well, we control Hollywood. We control every single media publication in this country. We have control of the government. Merrick Garland will kick in doors if you disagree with us. Why is Twitter the one place we can have a lot of care about?

I'm out. And now they go, they're over at like Jack Dorsey, who used to run Twitter, has started his own new thing. And good luck getting any conservatives to go over there because we're all still over on X, which is the greatest newsfeed in the world. That's why all these liberals will remain. It's only these far left lunatics who are leaving. Although Don Lemon has principled reasons, he really doesn't like the form selection clause and doesn't want to go down to Western Texas. Sure, Don. Sure. Um,

So it's going to be yet another echo chamber. There's absolutely no need for this. Mark Zuckerberg already created threads, which doesn't appear to be doing very well. And this one won't either. The reason most people use it is because they get their news there. And it's a great place to do that. Guys, it's a pleasure. It was just as great seeing you as I knew it would be. It's so fun. Thank you for having us. Thank you so much. Until the next time, don't forget to check out the fellas on their YouTube feed. Well worth your time.

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