Trump Crushes Expectations, And Projected to Win The Election - Megyn Kelly's Election Night Special | Ep. 936
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show's election night special live. We're live right now on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111, as well as on YouTube. You can check us out there if you'd like at youtube.com slash Megyn Kelly. We've got a show packed with some of the best political analysts in the country. Victor Davis Hanson, Mark Halperin, Vivek Ramaswamy, the EJs, Dave Rubin, Michael Knoll, Steve Bannon, the ever popular Maureen Callahan from the Daily Mail, and so many more. And two of our favorites are joining us in

ONE MINUTE. THE NUMBERS ARE COMING IN FAST AND FURIOUSLY RIGHT NOW. IT'S 8:00 P.M. IN THE EAST AND POLLS JUST CLOSED IN PENNSYLVANIA AND ALMOST ALL OF MICHIGAN. SO WE AWAIT THOSE POLLS. A COUPLE OF THE POLLS IN PENNSYLVANIA ARE BEING KEPT OPEN TO RESOLVE A COUPLE OF THE VOTING PROBLEMS THAT THEY'VE HAD THERE. MEANTIME, POLLS CLOSED A SHORT TIME AGO IN GEORGIA AND IN NORTH CAROLINA. SO THERE WE GO. GEORGIA, NORTH CAROLINA AND PENNSYLVANIA, THREE OF THE CRITICAL SEVEN SWING STATES.

are now just about entirely closed. In Georgia, with just 31% of the vote in, Trump is plus 13 over Vice President Harris. We're giving you these numbers. They're totally meaningless.

totally meaningless because who cares? It's like, well, a lot more percentage of the vote is about to come in and these numbers could totally change unless it's like 80% of the vote. These are next to nothing burgers, but we'll tell you because it's what we all do on election night in North Carolina with 4% of the vote in meaningless number coming. Vice president Harris is in the lead plus 21. Meantime, the exit polls show the top issue for voters, um, include the following, uh,

Mood in the country, not great. 72% say they are dissatisfied or angry, though many have hope for the future. Voters do not have a positive view of either candidate. The top issues among the voters today, democracy and the economy. On an earlier exit poll, democracy was up top, and then it got bounced down to...

to, I think, number two with the economy ruling. But I will tell you, just based on the past, you know, many elections of covering this, wait another hour and they will shift again. We try to spend the beginning of the night saying, oh, it's bad for Trump that democracy is so high. And then two hours later, democracy is number eight because the exit polls keep updating with new data and greater input and, you know, more of the voters telling these pollsters what was their number one issue. So it's just...

You're going to have to bear with us because really nobody knows nothing about nothing.

So welcome to our coverage. Rich Lowry's here. He's editor-in-chief of National Review. Charles C.W. Cook here as well, senior writer for National Review and host of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast. They are live with me here in the Red Studio. Hi, guys. Hello. So good to be here. So good to have you in person. That's not the bar, Charlie. I didn't have a beer ready for you. I'm sure I'll get a hold of one. I think I can manage it as the night goes on. Exactly. So that's really the thing to keep in mind is nobody knows nothing about nothing. I mean, that's...

That's the truth at this hour of the evening, but we're all dying for data. So we kick things around. Have you seen anything that jumps out at you? No, not yet. It's just way too early. And I always find this is the worst day of the...

THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN SEASON, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU'RE FOLLOWING EVERYTHING SO CLOSELY AND THEN YOU'RE SUSPENDED TO ANIMATION, WHICH GOES ON EVEN AFTER THE POLLS CLOSE FOR A LITTLE BIT UNTIL WE GET REAL DATA. BUT, YOU KNOW, A BIG DEBATE IS WHAT'S CHANGED, RIGHT? IS CHANGE ACTUALLY DEPARTING FROM BIDEN POLICIES THE WAY

Trump is arguing and going back to what he argues is a more successful model, or has changed just not being Trump or Biden, as Harris argues? Are the dominant issues sort of the affluent white issues, democracy and abortion, or are they more bread and butter issues with more working class appeals? There are just a number of these kind of key thematic sort of things we'll be looking at all night.

What I see so far and what I've heard from the context that I have closer to Team Trump is it's neck and neck, you know, that they feel very confident. That's what Kamala Harris says, too, but that it's just as tight as can be, just like all the polls leading up to today told us. I know you're not a fan of these polls, and I agreed with what you said on the editors entirely, but...

It seems like so far it's just as tight as we were told, and it's going to be a long night. Yeah, it's also confusing because the first state that comes in fast is Florida, and Florida just seems to be different than the rest of the country now. I mean, there's a blowout in Florida, it seems. Rick Scott seems to have won. Trump's ahead by 10 points. Miami-Dade County went, you know. It's not nothing, though. There was a couple polls out there that showed it tight for Rick Scott earlier. Right.

But the reason I mention that is in 2020, when Florida went to Trump, people said, oh, maybe he's going to win again. He didn't. And then in 2022, when the Republicans won every race in Florida by 15 or 19 points, then people said maybe it's a red wave. And it wasn't. So it's sort of difficult to know just...

just 'cause Florida's the only one we've really seen called. - I mean, Georgia's more interesting. - Something that could be really different this year than what we've seen in '16 and '20 is there had been that electoral college tilt towards Trump where he could afford to lose by two, three, four points and either win or be really close.

This year, if the polls are accurate, and that's a big if, we'll know more soon, the national polls have been tied and the swing state polls have been tied, suggesting maybe there isn't that electoral college tilt and maybe Harris could slightly lose the popular vote or be tied and still barely get over the top in those blue wall states. And if she wins and does that, ironically, it'll be strength among whites, right? And Trump will be picking up among Latinos and blacks and winning the southern tier of swing states, but

but then potentially losing the election if she holds Biden's numbers among whites. Right. If she can keep those blue wall states, it's tough for him. Although there's some rumblings in Team Trump about keeping an eye on New Hampshire. Well, that would be a sign. I mean, that would be pretty remarkable. He did go there, but it's been very little attention on New Hampshire, which is just assumed to be not in the camp for him. And yet, you know, you could see how it might live free or die. Yeah.

That's your motto. True. Well, the first three or four counties I saw out of New Hampshire actually looked surprisingly good for Trump. So that might be something to watch. Well, if you put together New Hampshire with Nevada and the rest of the Sun Belt, there's possibly a path for Trump. But yeah, he'd much rather do it with Pennsylvania or Wisconsin or Michigan. And it seems like I mean, Halperin tonight is reporting and he'll be here in just a bit.

And I like Halperin, but I do sometimes wonder whether he's whispering some sweet nothings out there to Republicans. He would deny this. But he reported the following, quote,

and that Milwaukee turnout is not what it needs to be for her to win the state. I reported a few days ago that Republicans were feeling very good and Democrats feeling very bad about Wisconsin. So even though there's this whole notion that it's all about Pennsylvania, maybe Wisconsin is the weak link for her.

I mean, that would get it done. We've been focused so much on Pennsylvania, which doesn't seem to be moving past the tide point. But Wisconsin could be sure to get it done just as easily. You just got to take one from whence whence the sun sunbelt still needs some blue wall state. And at that point, any of them would be fine. Right.

Wisconsin is a little smaller than Pennsylvania or Michigan, but it'll still get the job done. And who knows, all these kind of rumors, and I've really respected Mark's work this entire cycle. I think he's been great. He's been independent-minded. But all these kind of, it's not his reporting, it's where he's getting it from. You know, it's like the old line about your advertising budget. I know you're wasting half of it. I just don't know what half. So I think all this stuff, half of it's true, but I don't know which half. Yeah. I have to say,

It's shocking to me that half the country is apparently pulling the lever for her tonight. I realize Trump's controversial. You know this. You're not a Trump fan. But as you know, she's an idiot. Honestly, Charlie, I don't get it. She is an idiot. She is an idiot. But

A lot of politics is still about issues, which is good. And there are issues where the Democrats have an advantage. Abortion is one of them. It's really difficult to get past that if you're a single issue abortion voter, which I'm not, I'm pro-life. But then you're going to vote Democratic. And if you're in a union and you think that that's your ticket,

then you're going to vote Democratic. So once you start adding that in, what I find more annoying is the pretense that she's not an idiot, as you say. You know, if you just want to vote for her because you agree with her, fine, but let's not pretend we're not dealing with someone here who is substandard. It'll be just like Biden, right? If she loses just the way after Biden stumbled in that debate, then the scales will fall from everyone's eyes and they'll be honest about what she is.

in the way they aren't now. And if she wins, they won't be honest for another four years, or maybe ever, right? But if she loses, everyone will admit she has a nullity, she wasn't up for this, she blew it, she wasn't any good in the first place. - You saw later in the day, before these polls closed, increasingly alarmed messages from Charlie Kirk, from Elon Musk. Now, these are two of the main people responsible for Trump's get out the vote effort, saying, "Get to the polls, get to the polls."

They don't share exactly why they needed people to get to the polls. And then Charlie sent out an update saying, OK, the polls were looking better now. Men have gotten out of work and are now going past 5 p.m. But clearly they saw something on their returns that they didn't much like. And that's alarming, too. I mean, the Trump get out the vote effort.

is the make or break piece of this entire campaign. He's got those two. He's got a young woman, I think, who's running heard on a lot of it, who's supposed to be very talented. Forgive me, I can't remember her name right now. But these guys seem to have been saying late in the day they weren't too keen on their numbers.

So that's a little scary. Yeah, but they're never going to say, right, it's fine. Stay at home. We'll sit on it. So you never know. But this is, I always thought this is kind of a risk for Trump in this race, right? Because you have to rely on one group to get out. It would be

women, especially suburban women. Plus they're just naturally a little bit more of the electorate, 52% than, than the guys. So you gotta be nervous about the, the guys showing up and you gotta be nervous whether they're going to, you're going to get a little bit more of guys to make up for the fact that women are more of the, the electorate, but maybe we'll know more. Maybe, maybe they've, they've done it. If they have, you know, Elon, um,

RFK Jr., kind of these unorthodox voices, I think, will have played a big role in reaching these disaffected males and getting them out. Yeah. And that's been a choice, right? That's been a choice Republicans have made, partly because Trump took over the party, partly because there were shifts that led to Trump taking over the party, that they wanted to shed some of their most reliable voters. Mm-hmm.

middle-class white people in the suburbs who show up for every election. He voted Republican from 1968 onwards, and they said, no, we want different voters. Now, maybe that will work out. Maybe it'll work out tonight. Maybe it'll work out in the long run. But when you do that, you have to bring out people who are less likely to vote, less interested in politics, less reliable. And that's the challenge that Trump had last time. Last time he didn't do it, he did in 2016. And that's the question. Is this election closer to 16 or is it closer to 20? Trump's only done...

more controversial things since the 2020 vote. But he's run a disciplined campaign. In the beginning when he launched it, remember the long, long speech at Mar-a-Lago, I remember saying, "I fell asleep," which I did, and it was kind of boring. But then he got out on the campaign trail a little, and he started to leave Mar-a-Lago here and there.

And it was all grievance. It was all, I didn't lose, worst elections, the machines suck. And people were bored and they were turned off and it was not a good message. And then I think Susie Wiles, who's been running his campaign with Chris LaCivita, they came in and were like, you're gonna lose if you continue with that. And he stopped. He did show discipline and started talking about

the people instead of himself. It creeps up here or there. Last night at the rally in Pittsburgh, he did a long bit on how Elon told him any machine with any computer can be hacked. Right. And how it's very dangerous. And maybe that's true. But why is he talking about that instead of the guys in the hard hats and their financial issues? But anyway, my point is, overall, I think we've seen a more disciplined Trump this time around. The question is whether it was disciplined enough

to make 2020 J6 Trump fade from the suburban mom's mind. You know, the older voters who Ann Seltzer in Iowa is telling us are still mad at him and also are pro-choice.

Like that's one of the big things we're waiting on, whether he was able to erase that. - I still think that's top of mind for a lot of voters and a lot of suburban voters. And it's one reason this election is so close. And he's been relatively disciplined at times, but you always have to underline the relative. - For Trump. - Yeah, for Trump. But it's clearly been his best run campaign

ever. And there have been phases. It was relatively disciplined for a long time in the primaries and coming out of it. And then it got really discombobulated when the switcheroo happened, which is a little bit weird because Trump had been telling people for years, there's no way Biden's making it to the finish line. They're going to switch him out. He's not going to be the guy. And then when it happened, it just seemed as though it totally threw him for a loop. And then there was a phase where he didn't seem to be working that hard either. But

But now he's clearly, I mean, you've experienced it in person, right? This is one of his main political talents is just the sheer amount of energy, just these relentless rallies. Now, the downside is he wants to entertain himself as much as the other people at the rally, so he's not going to read just the prompter.

and nothing makes him happier than when the prompter goes out. So he has no excuse for even following it. - Last night he started ad-libbing, it was clearly an ad-lib, about how he wants to start a fighting league like UFC with the worst fighters that they have, meaning the best, the toughest, against the worst migrants who are here, like the Venezuelan gang. - He's talked about that one before. - It was funny, I was sitting next to Sage Steele and I was like, "Thin ice." But he enjoys that, right? He's entertaining. Now, that's one of the things people love about Trump. He's funny.

It would be fun in some ways to have him, you know, as president. It would be alarming, I know, to some in other ways. But I think it would be a good time for the country, and that's something that people are attracted to. If we have her, we don't know what we're getting. There is nothing authentic about her. There's absolutely nothing genuine. And I didn't get to play this today on the show, but I wanted to show it anyway. So Kamala Harris, you probably saw this, she went to do like a door knock. Yeah.

And the people came out and started chatting her up. And then she asked them to go back inside and said, because I really want to do a door knock. Watch, here it is. I want a door knock. Oh, you want to do a door knock? Yeah, come on. Okay. I had your hat on. The pen stands on the right there.

There's the acting after she did it. I mean, I have secondhand embarrassment. She can't do anything normally, Charlie. Acting is a good word. There's some videos that have gone around on Twitter where they put side by side her performance at various rallies with the exact same words, the exact same head movement. I think we have that. Yeah. Do we have that, Steve?

Where she says the same words at all the rallies? Stand by. I think we have it. Yep, watch it. Handy producers are getting ready. No, we'll play it later. Sorry. Well, the point I was making really was that everyone to some extent does that. I mean, if you make speeches, you know the jokes that work and your timing is broadly the same when you tell them and so on. But this is too much.

And that's all she is. It's all she's got. There's nothing there. She's just an avatar. And it's not just that she doesn't believe in anything. It's that she's obviously there for...

susceptible to being fed ideas. And I also find that quite alarming as the potential president of the United States. That's why they chose her. Yeah, it's not even just that I don't know what she stands for. I don't know who she is. Or who she's going to be programmed by, controlled by. There's also the New York Times profile of this podcaster who did the interview with her. Oh, yeah. Oh,

A light, informal thing that irritates you or you want to change. And they had a negotiation. Well, she say it's taking your shoes off on the plane that annoys her. And then she switched. She was going to maintain that bacon bits are spice. Right. And the guy's Muslim and doesn't eat bacon. So I was like, can we not do this? And there's this long, complicated negotiation. And he ended up just pulling the plug. Right. Yeah. But.

Does Trump do that with any of these bro podcasts he sits down with for three hours? No, not in a million years. No, hell no. Exactly. I mean, it's the same person who had to rehearse for the dinner party. That's the person who had to ask the people to go back in. I told you almost everything you need to know. So she could do the door knock and the person who had to come in there with her prescripted thing that drives me crazy. Then clearly somebody told her not to say the shoes on the airplane because what, TSA is going to get upset. So she switches to bacon bits. And when the guy said, I don't want to do that because I'm Muslim, she froze. And then somebody off cam said,

suggested another thing for her to say. Why don't you say this other thing? And she was frozen. I mean, it just shows you exactly. No confidence, no sense of self. And think about it. I'll just make one point before we take a break. Well, not take a break, but move on.

You saw the movie Reagan. They portray in the movie Reagan, Reagan and the negotiations that we're having with the Soviets and how like he had to think on his feet. He was this over again. Yes. Goes out the door and comes back in. Yes. She she's not capable. No. All right. Stand by. Ben Shapiro's here and I want to talk to him, too. He's hosted the Ben Shapiro show and editor emeritus of The Daily Wire. Ben, great to see you. What are you looking at tonight and how you're feeling?

Well, you know, I'm feeling cautiously optimistic. I don't do feelings, so this is very difficult for me. People keep asking me how I'm feeling, and I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about right now. Feel nothing? But, you know, the early indicators right now, I mean, listen, my home state of Florida is kicking ass as per the usual arrangement. All credit to Governor Ron DeSantis, who's moved that state into deep red territory. But there are some good sort of bellwethers there for the rest of the evening, possibly. Osceola County, which is a very heavily Hispanic county, a lot of Puerto Ricans live there, that county has broken heavily in favor of the Republicans. And

And so that may speak to the possibility that the Puerto Rican Tony Hinchcliffe of all of that sort of stuff is a giant fail. Obviously, what you're seeing in Georgia is a bit of mixed data. You're seeing what you would expect, Donald Trump not performing particularly well in suburban areas, but doing really well among the rural areas.

I've heard some indicators from rumblings from people inside some of the campaigns in Pennsylvania that she is not getting, that Kamala Harris is not getting sort of urban turnout that she was looking for thus far, but rural turn up is really, really high, which is of course precisely what Trump needs. So again, I think that cautious optimism is probably the only proper response to the data that we're seeing thus far.

One of the things that I just find hard to comprehend is the possibility that anyone would be enthusiastic about voting for him. This is the thing I just keep coming back to in this election cycle. I've heard a lot of people make the case for Trump. I'm one of those people. I've heard a lot of people make the case against Donald Trump.

whatever that case is, maybe it has some air. The thing I have never heard anyone make is a case for Kamala Harris, because that case does not exist. Kamala Harris can't even make a case for Kamala Harris. She can't even explain why she's the nominee. According to Kamala Harris, Joe Biden is just fine. So I'm not even sure why she's there. So if you are a Kamala Harris voter, are you excited about voting for Kamala or are you excited about voting against Trump?

Trump. And is being excited about voting against Trump really enough to get you up off the couch in the middle of just a weekday afternoon to vote for her? I don't know that's going to be enough. The latest exit poll and these updates, as I said to the audience every hour, and these numbers could change and will change. But right now, the latest exit poll shows the most important issue facing the country on a national basis is the economy and jobs. Thirty nine percent say that's number one.

20% say immigration, 11% say abortion. That's good news. That is good news for Trump. Because earlier in earlier versions of the poll, you saw abortion up higher in state to state. We've seen it a little higher, but on a national level, if it's down that far behind economy and immigration, that's good. And that was definitely the Trump campaign closing message. Those two issues, economy, immigration, I mean, to a fault. That's all he talked about.

I believe you're talking about the Fox News exit poll. The Fox News exit poll, one of the only issues there is that if you look at the CNN exit polls, which again, all exit poll data is basically chicken entrails. I mean, it's all a mess. It's very difficult to read anything from it. And so I always lead with that proviso when I'm talking about the exit polling data.

The CNN exit polls had an option for democracy, democracy under threat, which has of course been Kamala's message and Biden's message. That one ranked number one narrowly over the economy in the CNN exit poll. I'm not sure that was an option on the Fox News exit poll. So again, very, very difficult to tell what's going on. One thing is for sure, Donald Trump, his vote is showing up. I don't think there's a question of whether Donald Trump's vote is showing up. The real question is whether her vote is going to show up. The thing that's kind of boggling my mind a little bit is the number of voters who are showing up thus far. I mean, it really is astonishing. So 2020, you had this,

unbelievable increase in the number of people who actually voted, an increase of about 22 million people from 2016 to 2020, largely because, of course, everybody was voting early and voting by mail and COVID and all this stuff. And so I sort of suppose that there was the possibility that you'd actually see an absolute decline in the number of voters

from 2020 to 2024, 'cause usually it doesn't jump by 22 million, usually it jumps by like four or five million. Apparently the returns are showing thus far that there is not only a good shot that this turnout matches 2020, but that it actually exceeds it by a fairly significant amount. And so if you were gonna game this out, we were speaking with Brent Buchanan from Signal, who's one of these polling experts. What he was suggesting is if you're at 2016 levels of turnout, like low levels of turnout, benefit to Trump. 2020 levels of turnout, probably benefit to Kamala.

Above that, no one has any clue. That's, I mean, that's true about everything. Right now we're talking about it because it's the only story that anybody cares about. But we, honestly, I've been through this so many times. So have you, Ben. You know that everything we're looking at right now, all this data, all these issues, all these numbers that are up on the board, they're meaningless until we get later into the evening and we actually know more. We see more raw vote come in.

You know, in a short amount of time, we're going to start to see more on the counties by counties that, you know, may portend something about how Trump's doing with Hispanics or how Kamala is doing with black voters. But, you know, in the meantime, it's really not much more than that. There are.

A huge number of people who voted early, though. We've got some 84 million who voted early in this race, and it was disproportionately, for the first time, Republican. We have a greater percentage of Republicans, people who identify as Republicans in the country now, than Democrat for the first time in decades. Ben, that doesn't mean they're Trump supporters. A lot of Republicans don't love Trump, but most are ready to vote for Trump. So what do you think that means for tonight? Because

They're not enthusiastic about Trump on the GOP side, but in two elections, they have come home for him. The independents, last time, not so much.

Yeah, now I think that it would be shocking if Republicans did not come home for Trump. And in fact, you are seeing some early indicators of that really, really high voter turnout in the red states, obviously, for Donald Trump. But you're also seeing some indicators in like Loudoun County in Virginia. Loudoun County, you heard a lot of talk about that. You remember during the gubernatorial race between Glenn Youngkin and Terry McAuliffe, that county,

the results are in there to move right by about nine points so you you are seeing a lot of republicans are coming home how independence break you totally unclear at this point in time yeah I think that one thing that we it's very hard to read what's gonna happen tonight one thing that I think is clearly happening nationally

and this is very good for Republicans over the long haul, is the movement of population from north to south, from blue areas to red areas, is shifting the demographic nature of voting in the country. And what that means is that when we do the next census, right, in 2030, you're going to see a radical shift in the maps. Right now, we're paying attention to Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin.

those states are getting redder virginia is getting bluer but in terms of the absolute number of electoral college votes for each state that changes obviously with every census cycle so by 2030 you're going to see more electoral college votes actually shift to states like florida like texas like georgia like arizona and when that happens

So there's a great possibility that by that point, maybe cold comfort, depending on how tonight goes, by that point, you might be able to see a Republican candidate win without winning any of these so-called blue wall states. The entire map just changes. Wow. Those little sweet nothings you're whispering here on the show. Appreciate that. This just in, Ben, this is interesting. NBC, the headline is...

Harris loses grounds, loses ground with Latinos nationwide. Latino men are breaking for Trump plus 10, 54 or 44. Major reversal from 2020 when they backed Biden by 23. They backed Biden by 23. They're breaking for Trump by 10. Wow. So 33 point swing. Latino women are going for Harris plus 25, but they went for Biden plus 20.

That is a lot closer to what we saw in the polls leading up to today, that she was not doing well with Latinos at all, and Trump was. And that's why they got so excited about that one comedian's joke about Puerto Rico, which she really did her best to make the most out of in the last week of the campaign. So far, it doesn't seem, notwithstanding what J-Lo told us, that they were all that offended. We'll see.

Trump's additional cutting into the Democrat lead among minority voters, that's real. I mean, there was a lot of talk about whether that was a mirage, whether that was sort of just a sort of bizarre after-effect of bad polling or whatever. That is obviously, as the results come in, becoming more and more real. We're not just talking here about Hispanic votes. Black men in Georgia, for example, seem to be voting at about a 25 percent clip for Donald Trump, which is a major, major change for Republicans.

I mean, you can see these bellwether counties really moving in a serious way. I was down in the Rio Grande Valley campaigning with Ted Cruz just on Sunday night. Rio Grande Valley is completely Hispanic. And we were out there with like a thousand people, pretty much everybody there was Hispanic. And that county that we were in was a very deep blue county. And now it is no longer a deep blue county. It is trending toward red. A lot of Hispanics,

It turns out that Hispanic Americans, that they want the American dream. And it turns out that pandering to Hispanic Americans by somehow thinking that what they actually want is just a wide open border, that's such a bizarre supposition. And it's unrooted in reality. It turns out that just telling Hispanic voters that we're going to use terms like Latinx, which by the way, Latino people absolutely hate because it's idiotic and it was made up on a college campus by a moron, that if you throw that out there, and then if you just say that Tony Hinchcliffe made a dumb joke about Puerto Ricans,

that somehow Hispanic voters are going to abandon things like family, upward economic mobility, the church, things that actually matter to an enormous number of Hispanic voters across the country. It turns out that's a really, really bad strategy. And it may be that Hispanics across the country don't actually vote in quite the same way, that Hispanics in California don't quite vote like Hispanics.

in Texas who don't quite vote like Hispanics from Florida, especially because Hispanic is such a broad category. I mean, you're lumping in there Cubans with Mexicans, with Venezuelans, with Argentinians. Not everybody thinks the same way. One of the things that the team, that Team Harris was saying leading into today was that they feel good about their, quote, late breakers, that they're seeing data suggesting a late breaking voters, people who decided at the last minute are voting for or breaking for her.

There is some support for that so far. CBS News reporting that in North Carolina, most of the voters decided on their candidate long ago. Five percent say they made up their minds in the last week. And more of those late deciders went for Harris per the exit polls, saying voters who decided last week went 58 percent for her, 36 percent for Trump.

That's always a category to watch. I mean, I will say I can think of a lot of nights I sat there on the set at Fox News and we'd be like the late breakers. Somehow this candidate got the late breakers and then we'd spend hours poring over what happened in the last week.

But I really think in this race, it's not it's nothing that happened in the last week. It's like a gut judgment call on Trump overall, because we all know Trump. Right. Versus her. We don't know her, but they probably have strong feelings about her. In any event, what do you make of the late breakers?

I mean, I think a couple of things. I do think that there were some unforced errors at MSG. I mean, I think the Madison Square Garden rally contained obvious campaign unforced errors. And I don't think there's really a way around that. There was an opportunity for Trump to put his best foot forward. And instead, I think, got programmed by a bunch of people who tend to be too online. And so that's how you end up with things like Tony Hinchcliffe. Now, that may not have a real impact on the race, but it does remind people of the excesses of Trump as opposed to the greatness of his presidency. And he was a really, really good president.

And you don't want to spend the last week of your campaign talking about, you know, Peanut the Squirrel and Tony Hinchcliffe. You want to spend the last week of your campaign talking about why Kamala Harris is a bad vice president and will make a bad president. And so if people are breaking late against Trump in some of these areas, I would assume that some of that, I mean, they are definitionally late breakers, which means they are tuning in late, right? Okay, so then you just have to look at the last week of the campaign. It's not that Harris has won like a wonderful campaign for the last week. There have been some actual mistakes by the Trump campaign in

You pointed this out as well in sort of the last week of the campaign. I think that he can overcome that, obviously. We'll find out tonight. But has this campaign been a perfect game thrown by either side? I think that you can pretty safely say no. There have been an awful lot of errors on the field.

Mm-hmm. And we'll see. I mean, that late breaker number, that's going to change too. So huge asterisks on it all. Ben Shapiro, you're the best. Check him out on The Ben Shapiro Show and over at The Daily Wire. You should sign up for a Daily Wire Plus membership. I did it. Well worth it. And you can see Matt Walsh's smash hit movie, Am I Racist? Everybody I know loves the film, Ben. Thank you for helping make it. Thanks, Megan. I really appreciate it.

Okay, up next, we've got Henry Olson. He was on the program earlier and told us what he'd be looking for when the polls started to close tonight. And now he'll tell us what he's seeing. He's senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and host of the Beyond the Polls podcast. He joins me now. Henry, thank you for being back with us. So one of the things you wanted to look at was Virginia 3.

Have you been able to glean anything from Virginia three, which you said would be interesting because it's a predominantly black area and we were going to see how she was doing with African-American voters there.

Yeah, I mean, one of the things we've been seeing from the exit polls so far is that Trump is making some gains in different areas, but it perhaps may be not as large as what we had thought. Right now, there aren't enough votes in all of Virginia three, to be sure, in the sense that they are dropping some votes, but it's very heavily tilted to some areas. So I don't feel comfortable in talking about Virginia three.

But Virginia seven is much more interesting and there you're seeing the sort of gains that you would expect from a good night, not a great night but a good night for Republican that the

The areas in that are democratic are not being as democratic as they should be and republican areas are coming in very strong this could very well be. A place where you gene veneman the democratic candidate trying to hold the seat loses he's only up by 4% right now and the votes that are out.

tilt towards the Republicans. I can't do the math quickly, but this is going to be much closer. It's not going to be a seven-point win for him. And if it's not a seven-point win for him, it's not going to be a seven-point win for her. Okay, that's interesting. That guy, Vindman...

He his sister in law was the one who was out there celebrating when Trump got shot, was saying, oh, no ears were harmed. Go go on about your business. And then people were like, take that down, you ghoul. And she said, no, I won't. And then finally, somebody was like, hey, your brother in law's running for Congress. This isn't helpful. And she finally was like, oh, I'm very contrite. That was wrong of me. I wonder whether people are still holding it against her. OK, what else are we looking at? I know we talked a little bit

earlier today. We talked about Virginia. And one of the questions I heard discussed, it was Steve Kornacki was raising this. Tell me whether any of this resonates with you, was he was looking down in Georgia. Does Fayette County go blue? It's something that had

predominantly gone for Republicans like Mitt Romney by 30 points and has been migrating a little bit more Democrat looking in Michigan at a county Macomb versus Oakland, Macomb, more GOP, Oakland, more Dem wondering, you know, how much those counties would go and whether it tells us anything. Are you seeing anything else in other counties besides Virginia seven?

Yeah, well, Fayette County has 92% of the votes in and Donald Trump is leading by three points. And I would expect on the election day vote that that'll go up a little bit. So the expected or the hoped for, if you're a Democrat, blue switch has not happened there. The New York Times ticker or the needle says that Georgia leans to Trump.

And if you take a look at the exit poll, it suggests a two point margin for Trump. Nate Cohn in the New York Times Needle now says a 2.8 margin for Trump. So Georgia is looking good for Trump. She's not hitting her marks there. And part of that is lower than expected margins with African-Americans. But all of the exit poll data and the

where we can see it in Florida shows massive switches among Latinos. You know, we heard a lot about the Puerto Ricans. Well, Osceola County in Florida is the only Latino plurality county in the country. And guess who's winning Osceola County? Donald John Trump by two tenths of a percent.

Wow. What's the other big storyline as you see it? So he's he's doing very well with Latinos. Maybe maybe he's doing better in Virginia seven than, you know, she would like to see. What else are we seeing in the overall trending?

The female surge is not going to bring the Democrats to victory in an overwhelming way. All of the polls show that the percentage of women as the electorate might be up by a point or two, but Trump is winning men by much more than she's winning women. So what you've got in poll after poll after poll is Trump winning by 12 points, 14 points among men, losing women by

seven, eight, nine points. And what you've got is when you do the math, the fact that women are more of the electorate don't outweigh the losses that she has among men. If Donald Trump wins the presidency, it will be because his margins among men are larger than her margins among women. And you have to say that that might be a cause and effect.

They might like Trump and they might like what Trump is doing, but they might also be reacting negatively to a highly women-focused campaign in the last two weeks by Kamala Harris. Mm-hmm. Oh, Henry, you're so helpful. Please don't go far. Love having you. Thank you so much. Keep getting your data, and we'll go back to you for an update. I should tell the audience, the New York Times, he spoke of the needle. New York Times...

projecting needle, is now projecting Trump will win 275 to Harris's 263. But I have to say, Henry, before you run, isn't that the same needle that told us Hillary Clinton was going to win 2016 by like 93% certainty?

You know, since I live tweet on election day, I wasn't looking at the needle, but Nate Cohn is a superb analyst, and what they do on the data side of the New York Times is very, very accurate. If the needle says

It moves in one direction. I don't think that we should discount the needle. Your listeners may think what they want about the Times news reporting. Nate and the data side are straight down the middle, and I don't think you're getting any sort of tilt. If they say it leans to Trump, it's leaning to Trump.

Thread the needle. They're saying Trump 275, Harris 263. That's their best projection. According to the needle, we will be back to Henry in just a bit. Joining me now on set, Maureen Callahan, columnist for the Daily Mail and author of the new book, Ask Not, which is a must read on the Kennedy family. Takes you all through the JFK stuff and the JFK Jr. stuff. You will love it. I promise you. Maureen, great to have you. Great to be with you, Megan. You look beautiful.

So do you. Thank you. Congratulations, by the way, again, on your rally performance last night. Oh, thank you. Which was really something to behold. And I just have to say, you know, you mentioned in your speech how the media wasn't prosecuting the Doug Emhoff question enough. Absolutely true. But you are also probably the lone voice who is naming the women and that 12-year-old girl, Jocelyn, murdered.

by illegal migrants and bringing the trans issue and what it's doing to our girls and young women up and up and up. And it's so important. And it was just really incredible to have somebody bring that home the night before the election. Thank you. It's just been so annoying to watch the Republicans seed the issue of the female vote to the other side. Like, what is she offering women other than abortions? I mean, truly. That's it. That's it.

It's so short-sighted, but isn't that her entire campaign? Surfacy and short-sighted. You know, she thinks she's going to win the female vote on the backs of abortion, which as you rightly pointed out, especially this past week,

It's never going to be federalized ever. And it shouldn't be. No, it won't be. They won't open that door once they open it for the Democrats to do it. It's open forever for the Republicans to issue a ban, a nationwide ban, if that's where they go with it. So they're not that dumb. They understand full well if they say, yeah, the feds can regulate this.

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while women are being killed right now by these illegals, by criminals on our street, thanks to these soft on crime DAs hurt in their sports, women being hurt in prisons by these trans people. It's just none of that. The media, total blackout. They treat it the same way they treated those Doug Emhoff allegations. 100%. 100%. And it makes me as a female voter feel

So furious. And it's just, you know, watching some of the coverage that's been going on just now, watching them over on MSNBC, they're having a premature victory party, you know, and it's just so disingenuous because they've just been nothing but a propaganda arm, admittedly, of the Harris campaign. And I have to say, speaking to Charlie earlier before your show, he said, you know,

With certainty, I think it's going to be Kamala Harris. And I felt panic. I'm losing my voice, Megan. I think this election is killing us. I just want it to be over in the worst way. I have to say, I too have had a pit in my stomach all day. And it's, you know, it's just...

I want data and it's so hard to come by until longer. We have to wait longer. It's like when you're waiting for a great vacation or you're waiting for the results of an important test or something. Do you have cancer? Yeah. What? No, not you. But like if you're in the doctor's office waiting to hear the result of a biopsy, I feel like that.

I feel like it's that consequential. Yes. All right. Stand by. I know two ladies who would like to weigh in on this. They're here to join our discussion. Emily Jashinsky. She's D.C. correspondent for Unheard and Eliana Johnson, editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon. Ladies, welcome. Great to see you. Are you having the feeling? Do you guys have the pit like in the stomach?

I mean, it's right now what I feel like is for the next, what, five plus hours, we're going to be hurtling towards, as you mentioned with Henry Olsen, Megan, that needle, the New York Times needle, having it like that close, projecting a win for Donald Trump, but having it so close. There's 30,000 ballots that need to be recounted by hand in Milwaukee. We know already Pennsylvania is not expecting to get results until two or three in the morning. So we have some of these bellwethers that last

look pretty good for Donald Trump. Now, Kamala Harris has gained in some suburban counties, although not all of them, but she has made some significant gains in those suburban counties. But Donald Trump is making gains in rural counties, making big gains in Florida, as Henry mentioned. And so it just feels like we're going to be in a situation that, you know, two, three in the morning comes around and we are still biting our nails about what's happening in

Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. Stop it. You are unheard. It didn't happen. Didn't hear that. Stop it. Emily Jasinski. But Eliana, listen to this. This is interesting. The New York Times, Nate Cohn, we were talking about his needle, not his needle. Forgive me. You know what I'm saying? That sounded pornographic for me. Gotta have some fun.

The needle from the New York Times. The Times projecting Trump victory, Trump 275, Harris 263, and now another update from him. We now estimate Harris's lead in the national popular vote to be just over one percentage point. This is somewhat smaller than we opened the night with, and it's almost entirely attributable to Trump's strong result in Florida.

Across all counties, precincts, and townships counted so far, Trump is running 0.3 points ahead of our expectations, and perhaps that's all Florida. So that's interesting. It's Florida, Eliana, but it's interesting because one of the big questions coming into tonight was, are the polls, the national polls, underestimating the Trump support? And what he seems to be saying here is,

Maybe we're getting some evidence that they were.

And I think the other question, the other open question is, can you extrapolate some of the results in Florida to similar counties in Georgia where we still don't know the results? But I think one of the things we can say right now while we're trying to fill time before we know anything really is that we're absolutely seeing a continuing realignment of the political parties with minorities coming out

increasingly into the Republican Party and the Democratic Party increasingly becoming more a party of white coastal elites. You mentioned and talked with Henry, Megan, about exit polls showing that a 10-point shift in Latino men toward Donald Trump and

and also exit points showing Trump performing as well as about winning about 25% of the African-American vote. Those are numbers that would have made, you know, George W. Bush or Mitt Romney faint if they had seen them. And,

And it does right now. You know, I think the question that everybody is grappling right now is, will Trump's gains with white men and, you know, men of all colors, because his gains with men are extending to Latino men, African-American men, outweigh whatever gains she's been able to make with women?

You know, Emily, you're already hearing some grumbling from some on the left about, you know, there's just people in this country who will never vote for a woman. They're just never going to vote for a woman. And then there was the Jen Psaki line over on MSNBC suggesting whatever happens in this election, what we're really going to need to do is crack down on social media and insist that they be held to the same standards.

as those of us on cable news. Emily fell over. That's how shocking that statement was. She fell over. She's back. So what do you make of it's sexist that people aren't voting for her, and the problem is these internet provocateurs who aren't held to the same high standards as MSNBC?

Yeah, I mean, it's going to be really frightening to see what happens if so in a scenario where Donald Trump wins. We sort of already saw what happened after 2016, which was the left kind of sprint in the other direction and actually get even more censorious. It wasn't really until Donald Trump hit the stage that we started outwardly seeing these like sort of boastful calls and demands, actually, not just from elected officials, but from

normal people, normal people on the left who identified as left-leaning in this country, demanding that they be protected from speech they don't like because they don't trust other voters to make their minds up, right? They think that people need to have their hands held by journalists and by pollsters and by the social media companies to put those, it's like, you know, your bumper bowling, right? They need to put the bumpers on the bowling lane. And that accelerated it.

after November of 2016, like on another level. It didn't, you know, nobody reckoned with it and said, okay, let's actually think about how we can persuade and respect the dignity of these voters. It was, we must be protected from the speech of these voters. These voters must be protected from the speech of other voters because they will have their minds changed in the direction we don't want. So I'm not surprised by this at all. I would expect that if Donald Trump

wins, that will triple. We've seen it double down. I think we'll see it triple down, honestly. You know what? This reminds me, Maureen, while I have you here. Last night, there was a Twitter fight between Josh of the Daily Mail. Forgive me, I'm blanking on his last name. The guy who broke the Emhoff stuff. So he got into an argument with Bill Burton of the Obama administration. And I keep asking Tim Miller, who in

interviewed Doug Emhoff and did not ask about the allegations against him at all. Neither did Molly Jong fast. Nobody, Joe Scarborough didn't ask him. Anyway, I've been fighting with Tim Miller online. Why didn't you ask about the abuse allegations? Why didn't, and he won't answer. And Bill Burton decides to weigh in and says,

Why are you asking about Russian disinformation? Are you kidding me? No. Are you kidding me? No. And Josh is like, excuse me, are you calling my information? I also just reported on the new sexual assault allegation against Donald Trump by that model. Right. So why are you suggesting I'm just going fishing with the Russians for disinformation? I

I mean, we both know that she's not Russian disinformation. No, we know she's a lawyer. We know where she lives. We at the Mail know everything about this woman. She came to us and sat down and gave an interview. Josh Boswell. Great reporter. Did incredible work. This stuff with Jen Psaki, one of my favorite whipping people. I cannot stand her. You're telling me that it's not enough that the media ran cover for the Hunter Biden laptop...

And that Facebook and every other major tech company in Silicon Valley was bullied by the FBI into not covering it. They blocked the New York Post for like two weeks. They wouldn't platform the Post because we, I worked there at the time, we were the only people covering it. Russian disinformation, Russian plant. You can't authenticate it. Well, guess what? It turned out to be real, which they've only admitted, I believe, this year.

After he pled guilty, he finally pled guilty. The FBI took the stand at the Hunter Biden trial and said it was real and they knew it. In any event, we're going to hear a lot of that depending on how tonight goes, Eliana. There will be the sexism card and so on. But we're getting ahead of ourselves because she could win. I mean, she could absolutely win. I will say, and this could change.

But virtually everybody, not virtually everybody I've spoken to on the Republican side, the data people, the poll people, the people around Team Trump feel very certain that the Republicans are going to win the Senate. And so, you know, maybe they're wrong about that. Who knows? But that's

Like the rest of the races tonight are important for obvious reasons. If Kamala Harris goes in there and has control of the Senate and has control of the House, she actually might get rid of the filibuster and the Senate and our government will have changed forever. Yeah, I want to address that. But before I get to that, one thought on sort of the blame game and the sexism bit, you know,

Sure. We're going to hear that Kamala lost because of sexism from predictable quarters, but I actually don't think that's going to be as prominent a narrative with her as it was after Hillary Clinton lost for a couple of reasons. The first is that she, at her credit, hasn't made her gender or her race a central part of her campaign. She did campaign on the abortion issue, but I think any Democrat

would have because it has been proven to be a good issue for them. I actually think there's going to be so much bitterness and recrimination and finger pointing if she loses. I think Joe Biden is going to take a whole lot of the blame. So no Mount Rushmore? No.

Yeah, exactly. He'll be blamed for running for reelection and he'll be blamed for playing identity politics with his choice of vice presidential pick when he knew when he ran in 2020 that he was old and frail and people saw cognitive decline during that bid. So my sense is that he's going to shoulder the host of the election

of the blame if she loses. And we'll hear a little bit less. Yes, we're going to hear it, but we'll hear a little bit less. As to your point about the Senate and the rest of the important races, yes, that's absolutely true. There are many, many competitive Senate races across

the country. And if Trump does win, this is one reason to watch his margins. You know, one interesting thing is in 2020 and 2016, the conventional wisdom was that Donald Trump would be a drag on the ticket and that, you

Republican Senate candidates would outperform him. That is not what we've seen this year. We've seen Trump running ahead of conventional Republican Senate candidates. And the conventional wisdom is that Trump needs to run, you know, one, one and a half,

points ahead of these Senate candidates to pull them over the finish line. So, you know, for your viewers looking for what to watch in a state like Pennsylvania, Trump needs to win that state, you know, is what I'm hearing from people by one, one and a half, two points for somebody like Dave McCormick to cross the finish line and oust an incumbent, you know, longtime incumbent like Bob Casey.

Yep. It could happen there. It could happen in Ohio with Bernie Marino. I mean, we think that it's going to happen. Yeah. And we think it's going to happen in Montana with Sheehy. Although I have to tell you, I had a very weird interview with Sheehy on Thursday. You can go check our YouTube feed. But he's going to win. And that's that's good for the Republicans. EJs, it's a pleasure as always. Thank you for being here. Thank you, Megan. Back soon.

Okay. Maureen sticking around and up next, Tom Bevin and Sean Trendy from Real Clear Politics. Sean knows those counties like the back of his hands. And you know that Tom Bevin is a guru when it comes to reading polls and data. So we'll find out from them what the hell is going on, at least as we know it right now. Don't go away.

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Welcome back to the show. At 9 p.m. Eastern, which is in about six minutes, polls will close in the key battlegrounds of Arizona, Wisconsin. Arizona and Wisconsin are big. And the last four counties in Michigan that are in the central time zone.

The Central Time Zone is also home to one of our next guests, Tom Bevin, who lives in Chicago, and Sean Trendy from Real Clear Politics. And I don't know where Sean lives. Guys, great to see you. Tom, let me start with you. What's jumping out at you in the coverage that the data that we're seeing so far?

Well, I mean, Florida is the big number. You know, I mean, Trump is just blowing the doors off in Florida, and we saw that in 2022 was the only place where the red wave happened, basically with the Santas and Rubio winning overwhelming victories. And so here you go again. You know, Democrats thought with abortion on the ballot down there that that was a state they would be competitive in. They looked at Rick Scott and thought, hey, maybe he's one of the opportunities to pick up in the Senate. It's clearly not happening. And so that's good news. But the question is, well,

how much does that tell us about what's happening in the rest of the country? And you look, you know, where Kamala Harris's best opportunity is, is to, is that upper Midwest, right? Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, she'd win the electoral college, 272, 68. And there, you know, we still don't have enough data to make a decision. Sean's from Ohio. And we were talking about the Ohio numbers earlier and he can,

He can tell you about these, but they're a little, you know, Trump's not running as strong in Ohio as the polls had suggested. And that might be a bit of a cause for concern. But in plenty of the other places around the South, in Georgia, Trump's running strong. So, but the upper Midwest is where this ballgame is going to be won or lost. Okay, Sean, you go. Ohio, what?

Yeah, the Ohio results right now are close. Now, there's still a lot of votes to be counted there, and a lot of this is going to be early vote, which is typically favorable to Democrats. But the question isn't whether or not Trump wins Ohio. He's going to win it. The question is, does he win it by just eight points? If he does, that suggests there hasn't been the kind of swing in the upper Midwest that we've seen in places like Florida and Georgia.

That, in turn, kind of gives us some concern for Republicans about Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan. Incidentally, this is exactly what we saw in 2022, where Florida was big for Republicans. Georgia came home for Republicans not named Herschel Walker. You know, Virginia swung. I mean, it's crazy right now.

Trump's only losing Loudoun County by 15 points. He lost it by 25 in 2020. But it's that Rust Belt that didn't move. Yeah, if we're talking about Pennsylvania, we just get nervous. So what's the path for Trump if he loses all three states in the blue wall? Can he do it, Sean, if he wins all of the Sun Belt, including Nevada and New Hampshire?

At that point, he really kind of has to pull a rabbit out of his hat. I mean, Virginia is close right now. So maybe he doesn't come home for Harris. Like, yeah, it is a close state right now. It's almost certainly going to be low single digits. Maybe New Hampshire. One thing no one's really paid a lot of attention to is New Mexico. And if Trump really does bring it home with Hispanic voters, that's a place. But these are long shots. If he doesn't win one of the blue wall states, it is hard for him to win the presidency.

Tom Bevin, I know how you... Yeah, go ahead. I was just going to add, I'll raise you one better. I mean, we haven't, and I'm not saying this is likely, but obviously Kamala Harris wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, could come down to that one blue dot in Nebraska, right? If Trump is able to win that...

We'd be at a 269-269 tie. Wait, wait, but stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, because this stuff confuses me. So what would get him to the blue dot in 269? All the Sun Belt. So it would have to be North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada, right? All that, all four of those. And then what number would that put him at? That would put him, that would put, he would lose 270 to 268.

Okay, but then if Kamala Harris wins Pennsylvania, Michigan, it was gone. Correct. The congressional district in Nebraska, which is, we had a little bit of polling out there. Kamala Harris was ahead. This is right around Omaha. It's a pretty liberal area. It would be a, this would also be a sort of rabbit out of the hat.

Yeah, okay. He may have a better chance actually winning there than he does in a place like New Hampshire. But if he wins, what I said is correct, right, Tom? If he wins all the Sun Belt, those four states, including Nevada and New Hampshire, he's got it. He's over 270.

If he won New Hampshire, he would, yeah. Yeah, and I realize New Hampshire is also kind of— Basically anything at that point. If he wins New Hampshire or if he wins Virginia or if he wins New Mexico, but he would have to win one additional state to get over 270. And I'm kind of making up that New Hampshire is even a thing. I mean, I have heard people mention it. He did visit it. It's not entirely impossible, but it is not a swing state, and it is not expected to go Republican. He would be much happier if he could just win Wisconsin or Pennsylvania or Michigan. Go ahead, Tom.

it is a state that hillary clinton only won by 2700 votes in 2016. so it's not out of the now it did swing pretty hard for joe biden in 2020 but in in other ways this this map is looking a lot more like 2016. so it's not out of the question but i think to your point it might be a little bit of a reach

Sean Trendy, Reuters reporter Jarrett Renshaw just reported as follows. Election night jitters are hitting Democrats hard. They don't like what they are seeing in exit polls, particularly support for Trump among Latinos and black men. Are you seeing those same trends? We are. Again, Loudoun County is a county that's in demographic law.

And Donald Trump doesn't shoot up 10 points just on the backs of white voters. We can also see some softness for Harris in southwestern Georgia, where there's a lot of rural black voters. What I'm really excited about, just from a pure demographic nerd perspective, is what happens to those counties along the Rio Grande Valley. Those were counties that have voted for Democrats going back to LBJ. Donald Trump put a crack in the wall there. If he really does push it forward,

forward. We're talking about a whole new political chapter for that area of the country. And it's very much possible, especially in a place like Florida.

One other thing for you, Sean. Harry Enten over at CNN reporting that in North Carolina, we now have nine counties with 95 percent or more of the vote in. I don't know how many counties there are saying Trump is matching his 2020 performance nearly exactly. That would be good news for Trump since he won that state. He won it by a little bit more than a point last time around. But it seems like so far his performance in North Carolina is strong.

Yeah, there's 100 counties in the state, so it's about 9% of the counties in. But the fact that all the vote is in and he's holding serve in a state that he won by a couple points suggests that he's probably on his way to that Sunbelt sweep we were talking about. He's going to come down to Rust Belt. All right, Tom, this is the best news I've seen for Trump tonight. Oh, by the way.

This just in, this is not great news for Trump. News Nation, Decision Desk, HQ, they are projecting that Kamala Harris has won Virginia, which wouldn't come as a surprise, but it would remove one of the states that we just discussed as like Hail Mary path for Trump from that path. But listen to this, Tom Bevin. The latest round of exit polling just hit at 9 p.m. And it's got data from 10 key states, including

White suburban women, and this is significant, but white suburban women here. Let me see it. Hold on. I want to get it for you. Trump is beating Harris with them. 51 47. This is the first look we're really getting at demographics from the 10 key states. The exit polling is looking at. And so far as of 9 p.m. Eastern, Trump is beating Harris 51 47 with white suburban women, Tom.

Well, I mean, okay. They're exit polls. We don't ever, I mean, I've done this long enough to know that like, I just throw the exit polls in the garbage. I mean, they're usually wrong. Sometimes they're catastrophically wrong. So I don't put much stock in that. And then they change. They change dramatically, like hour to hour. Yeah, no, it's exactly. So, but I want to go back to the Rust Belt for a second because, you know, the, the,

Pennsylvania and Michigan, Wisconsin's the state where we've had the biggest polling misses over the last two cycles. 2016 and 2020 was like six points. Big ones. And it didn't get better. It was like 11 points in 2020. Yeah.

- Yeah, well, we had a poll that was 11 points and ended up, you know, Biden won it by less than a point. So, I mean, it's been a really, really tough state for pollsters to gauge. And, you know, we have Harris ahead there, but by less than half a percentage point in our average of a bunch of different polls, there is some data suggesting that Trump could win that state. And, you know, Mark Halperin has been reporting that, you know, his sources are saying that Democrats are depressed about what's going on in Milwaukee and other places. So I think, you know, if Harris does win,

Pennsylvania, she does win Michigan. It could come down to Wisconsin again. And I mean, that state has been outside of Obama's win in 08 and 12. It has been the closest state in the country every single election. And it's been decided by a total. I did this analysis a few months ago, something like

60,000 or 80,000 votes in four elections. I mean, every time, again, outside of Obama, it's been like 10,000 votes or 15,000 votes. It's been ridiculously close. And it might be that again tonight.

Okay. We don't know much. We believe we know that she won Virginia, um, according to news nation. Anyway, we don't have our own, our own independent decision desk here, but, uh, that's being projected. Not a surprise. Uh, these guys are coming back in just a bit. Tom and Sean, thank you. Back to you in a, in a, just a little while right now, it's just after 9 PM. Eastern polls are closing in several key States. Uh,

And back with me now to discuss it all, National Review's Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cook. We have moved them out of the Red Studio and over to Doug Brunt's office where he writes the books. It's an upgrade. Including Diesel.

Which everybody should buy and read. The Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel. Now available on paperback. Okay, guys. So, you know, we keep saying it because we must, to be honest with the audience. We're getting all this data in and we don't know whether it's worth the paper that it's printed on. The exit polls. Her projected win in Virginia. Not a surprise. But if the polls are correct, that he's doing better in Virginia.

with suburban women rich than she is, it seems hard to believe that that's going to hold. But at least at this hour, that's amazing.

Yeah, I wouldn't believe it. I mean, if that's true, it's just that the election's over, right? We can shut it down now. He's going to win. So I'm very skeptical of that. And we have real results coming in now, so we don't need to rely on the exit polls necessarily. And we're looking at Georgia, a key swing state where it looks as though Decision Desk and New York Times project based on results, and both of them have Trump about a 70 percent chance of winning Georgia. So that would be a key piece of the Southern Sun Belt strategy he needs to get to 270.

Okay, so Charlie, I know one of the things you're looking at is what's happening down in Florida with this ballot initiative that got Trump tripped up a little. He was asked if he was going to vote for this ballot initiative that was going to enshrine the right to an abortion in the Florida Constitution. And they've come to a decision on it. Yeah, I mean, it's a tricky issue for Republicans because the country is not as pro-life as they'd like it to be. But the ballot failed.

And that is the first time since the Dobbs decision that a state has put abortion up in a referendum and had the pro-life side prevail. The threshold in Florida is 60%. So it did get more than 50%. And that ought to be acknowledged. But still, Ron DeSantis' performance as governor of Florida will go down in history. He's shifted the state from a swing state to a

red juggernaut. He's the first governor to have passed a six-week abortion ban and then successfully defended it in a referendum. I mean, this is a big moment. And it's incredible when you think about Florida in 2016, which went to Trump in a shock, narrow victory. So Charlie, how much of it is...

I just wonder how much of it is DeSantis or how much of it is transplants or kind of both? Well, I think the reason I say that DeSantis is the focal point is because of COVID. So I think a lot of this stuff was happening anyway. And...

If you go back to the election of Jeb Bush in 1998, that's really when Florida starts to shed its Democratic Party heritage and to stop being an old boys' network type state and to start attracting people from all over and investment in business and so on.

Just a shocking number of the people who have moved into Florida and voted and registered Republican in the last five years have done so because of how different the state was under COVID than where they came from, which is New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, you know, the Midwest. I think you have to give a lot of that credit to DeSantis.

Yeah, just if one, it just shows how politics changes, right? Ohio and Florida used to be the swing states and now just aren't even a factor on the map. And also, if you looked at Florida in 2022 and now I say everything's fine, everything's going to work out, everything must be great because we're crushing it. Republicans are crushing it in Florida now, but we don't know because now Florida is kind of an outlier in how Republican it is. Yeah, and it works the other way around. It's funny, I went back...

recently and I watched the coverage of the 2000 election because I wasn't here then. I didn't even really know it was happening. And it's funny how the hosts on the CNN broadcast that I watched, you can see it all on YouTube, talk about some states as if they're just self-evidently Republican. Virginia is one of them. They say, well, George W. Bush has won Virginia. Of course, you know. George W. Bush has won... This was before West Virginia went

Oh, that's true. That was a shock, I think, when it happened. But Colorado was another one. Well, of course he's won Colorado's electoral votes, whereas now he wouldn't. Florida, I just think, again, over a short period of time, to go from what it was to where it is now, and the New York Times' Siena poll said that Scott and Trump were going to win the state by 12 or 13 points. That's what just happened from what I've seen.

And they had to publish another piece defending themselves saying, "We think we're right about this." Because there was still all of this residual sense that it was in play. But it's not in play. It's changed. It's gone. So 2000, before your time, but it was one of the great election nights I've ever experienced. Because it's so dramatic, because it's so close, a little like tonight might be. Who knows? Maybe it won't be. But the media pulling back Florida after calling it was just extraordinary. Yeah, absolutely.

Another piece of news for you, Charlie, for your home state. They have apparently defeated a ballot initiative that would have enshrined the right to smoke weed in the Constitution. They are not in favor of legalizing marijuana. And so Florida, I mean, Ron DeSantis kind of batting a thousand on this, to your point. And also an update for you guys on these are not real numbers. These are just the New York Times is reporting.

needle projection on how they think this race is going. The New York Times is now saying that they're projecting Kamala Harris looks like she, at this rate, will win the popular vote. Again, this is just a guess, by 0.8%.

which would be no bueno for her because in order to carry that victory over into the electoral college, it would have to be, by most estimates from the pollsters, two points or more, certainly not 0.8. They have now increased the prediction for Trump's electoral college victory from 275, he only needs 270, to 280. They

They had 275 to 263. Now they're saying they project it will be Trump 280, Harris 258. Very interesting to see them doing this. And then Decision Desk HQ, which I believe is working with News Nation to make calls, is now giving Trump a 70 percent chance of winning the election. All of this is a little bit of voodoo. I hate to say that because people say it too much, but

it doesn't mean he's going to win. It just means he's looking strong to them based on the initial data. And one last point, guys, the New York Times has not yet called Virginia and the New York Times is Nate Cohn has tweeted out that Trump is doing much better in Virginia than he did four years ago when he lost by 10 points. But there are very few places where he is running 10 points better than

than he did last time. So in other words, he lost last time by 10 points and he's doing better than that this time, but there are very few places where he's running 10 points better than he did last time. Maybe he means outside of Virginia. I'm actually not sure what that means. He'll still lose, but he's not going to lose by 10 points. That is interesting, guys, that he's doing better in Virginia than he did the last time and that more and more the New York Times is

seem to be projecting as his decision desk HQ, it's looking like a strong night for Donald Trump, Rich.

Yeah, so Charlie and I are both sports fans. So we were just talking earlier about if you follow any game on the ESPN app, the percentage odds of a team winning does not necessarily, it can be too sensitive and just something goes wrong and it changes. But by the way, all props to you on the sports reference, the Hail Mary pass. Thank you. That was impressive, Megan. Rich, you and Andy McCarthy have gotten me up to speed. I have to suffer through your sports talk every week. Yeah, you've learned the art. I do.

But it seems as though, Megan, you know, still early, but with Harris perhaps overperforming some in Ohio and Trump seeming strong in Georgia and a little stronger than you would expect in Virginia, this may set up the...

emphasize that the likeliest scenario for Harris is just holding the blue wall by the skin of her teeth, barely winning the popular vote and just barely winning the blue wall states while Trump sweeps the southern tier. And as you're talking about with Tom and Sean, unless there's a miracle in New Hampshire where the last time I looked, he's behind by 10 points with about 25, 30% of the vote in. Unless that happens, he needs one of them. He needs one of them. He needs one. He needs one. Yep.

Yeah. And so before we get too far ahead of our skis. So, yes, the data is looking good in some ways for Trump. But we haven't heard any promising update from or not promising just nothing from Pennsylvania, Michigan or Wisconsin since we started seeing vote come in. Not one. And he does need one of those unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat by getting a New Hampshire in addition to Nevada. And he's not going to get Virginia now. We know that. So.

don't start celebrating. It's way too early. She could still win this thing. We're just reading little tea leaves here and there. All right, more with Rich and Charlie in just a bit. Here with me now, Spencer Kimball. He's executive director of Emerson College Polling. Spencer, thank you for joining me. So tell us what's jumped out at you so far tonight. Well, listening in, Megan, I think you've kind of touched on Trump overperforming where some of the polls thought he was going to be and obviously where he was in 2020.

Okay. Is there anything in particular, any jurisdiction? Is there anything you can glean from what he's done so far? Well, I mean, if we take a look at the real key states of Georgia and North Carolina, our swing states, that's where Harris put a lot of money and efforts into the race. You know, we look at a state like Florida or Texas where Trump is running up the numbers. Harris really didn't compete there. So in the states where she was competing, he's starting to pick up two, three point advantage in Georgia.

Georgia, and if he can hold that number, that's a state that he needs to take back that Biden was able to take. And then same thing in North Carolina. That's one that Harris was looking to hold. If we jump up to Pennsylvania, I know that the numbers are early there, but the concern for the Harris team is the early vote. And I'm sure you've discussed it. They're down about 600,000 votes from 2020 when they had 1.6 million early votes.

This time they only have a million early votes. The Republicans held the 600,000 early votes from 2020 and kept it here in 2024. So I think as we see that vote count come in Pennsylvania, that early count, that early vote missed by Harris might actually cost her the election. The Times just moved Georgia and North Carolina from toss up to, quote, lean Trump.

Um, they're doing this as they're seeing raw vote come in and they, like you understand where the raw vote is coming from, which counties, which counties are still outstanding. All of that is what goes into making projections of these States. Um, so what do you make of that? The fact that they've decided right now to move Georgia, they moved to lean Trump a little while ago, just a second. They moved North Carolina from toss up to lean Trump.

Well, I mean, if we take a look at like even Indiana and Kentucky, Trump is overperforming where he was. So there's this base of support that's coming out beyond where he was in 2020, which was a very close election. So as we see that in these other states, it's appearing it's happening in the key swing states. And if they're happening in Georgia and in North Carolina, where he's picking up more than what's to say Wisconsin, which was within a point, doesn't swing in his direction,

based on what we're seeing in these other states around the country. And even Ohio is up around 9%, 10% right now, which is in that Midwest to give us a little bit of a taste of where that might go. But Indiana, again, gives us a little flavor as well that he seems to be doing better than what was anticipated. And perhaps it's the rural vote that's coming out at a pretty strong rate and very intense rate, not just 70%, 75%.

We've been discussing, we've been discussing, you and I, for a while now, whether Trump would outperform his polls or whether this would be a 2022 election where we expected a red wave and we didn't get it and the Democrats outperformed the polls. Does it look to you right now like Trump is outperforming his polls or is it too early to say?

Well, I mean, based on what we're seeing in the states that have counted their votes, he is outperforming those numbers, sometimes by a larger amount, four or five points, but at least by two or three. And, you know, Virginia, as case in point, he's cut that lead in half, where if the idea was that Harris had momentum and was going to carry it, you would think that she'd at least hold it by 9-10, and maybe she will. But right now, it's a tied race. And that's beyond the expectation, I think, of what was going to be in play tonight.

So far, Spencer, do you see evidence of a surge of female voters turning out in greater numbers than expected, greater numbers than we saw in 2020 for Harris? No, not on the eastern seaboard. What we expected in Georgia is a 55-45 percentage.

female to male split. That's what we traditionally see in Georgia. And that's what we're seeing right now. For Harris, you would want to see that number closer to 57, 43. And we're just not seeing that. And that's why I guess Georgia has been moved over or moving over to the Trump column. Now, as we get up into Pennsylvania, remember, there's just three states we have to look at, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. And depending on how those play out in the next hour or so, you

You know, we'll see where the election goes, but there could be an early call, particularly as those votes get counted in Wisconsin. I've got to ask you about the Ann Seltzer Des Moines Register poll. She had Trump down three, Kamala Harris up three, leading him by three in the red state of Iowa.

You guys did a similar poll at the same time and showed Trump beating her by 10. So diametrically opposed results. You guys are gold. They say she's gold. So what did you make of her poll? It was a great opportunity for iron against iron, steel against steel. We see how it matches up.

Probably at the end of the day, when you see two numbers that are so out like that, you add them together and it's gonna land in the middle. So I would expect Trump to win by six, seven points in Iowa. But that's how polling works. You sometimes get an outlier on one side or the other. And obviously we'll see what the votes look like tonight. But the early indication is that it's tracking more like 2020 and not some different turnout than what her numbers were looking like. - And what happened in 2020 in Iowa?

Trump won by eight. Oh, that's right. That's right. And she had projected seven. So she got pretty close on that one. Spencer, thank you so much. Great to speak with you. Great to speak with you. Thank you, Megan, for having me as always. All right. Joining me now, the three hosts of The Morning Meeting, a fast-growing interactive show on the Two-Way YouTube channel. Mark Halperin is editor-in-chief of Two-Way. Dan Turrentine.

Tyne is a former Democratic strategist and Sean Spicer is host of The Sean Spicer Show. Guys, welcome back. I mean, I started the show by saying we know nothing about nothing until we know something about something. We're starting to glean little bits, just little bits of information. I'll start with you on it, Mark. What what have you learned that you think is real?

Well, there's nothing fully real, but I think Donald Trump is in a position to win and maybe win by dawn. And the boiler room in Mar-a-Lago is very confident about three states, which would put him one state away. They're very confident about Georgia. They're very confident about North Carolina. They're very confident about Wisconsin. There's going to be a delay in Wisconsin because of some counting problems in Milwaukee. But if they're right and there's not a lot of pushback from

from Wilmington on those three states. If Mar-a-Lago's right, Trump will be one state away and he's likely to get that state in Arizona, if not Pennsylvania or Michigan. - Wait, I had somebody in my ear. Which state do you think he's gonna get? You think he's gonna get Wisconsin? Is that what you said? - Mar-a-Lago believes he's gonna get Wisconsin. - Okay. This just in, speaking of Mar-a-Lago, where Trump is tonight with his viewing party,

This is New York Times. With more than 95% of the vote reported, Donald Trump appears to have flipped Miami-Dade County in Florida, home to a large Cuban-American population and one of the state's largest counties. The county has typically voted for Democrats, with Biden winning there by seven points in 2020. And Sean Spicer, it looks like Trump has flipped it.

from blue to red, pretty significant margin, Cuban-American. Cubans are more conservative Hispanic Americans, but, you know, so it's not a huge surprise that they might be among the first to switch over to Team Trump, but it doesn't appear that they were offended by the Puerto Rico thing and a pretty significant accomplishment for Donald Trump.

Huge significant accomplishment. I mean, look, we're seeing some signs here. I said this earlier today. We've talked about it in the morning meeting. You look at Rhode Island, Joe Biden got about 60% of the vote in Rhode Island last time. Right now, she's at 52% with 70% of the precincts reporting. That's not good. You look at Virginia.

where I live in Virginia, there was a 10 point spread in 2020. Right now she's at 50%, 56% in Loudoun County, Loudoun County, very voter rich for the Dems home to a lot of federal workers, political activists, Biden got 61%. She's at 56 with almost

every precinct reporting. That's not good for the Democrats. Right now, Donald Trump is ahead in the Commonwealth of Virginia. I don't know that that's going to hold, but right now that's not a good sign for them. So we're seeing a lot of movement, whether it's Miami-Dade in Florida, Rhode Island, Virginia, that's not where they want to be.

all of my texts back and forth with the Trump campaign tonight. They're looking at outside of Philadelphia. She's not performing where she needs to in some of those key precincts. They're overperforming. They're very happy with how their early vote operation went and they feel bullish on Pennsylvania as well. So look, right now this is looking very, very good for Donald Trump and also

by the way, for a Republican Senate that could be anywhere from 53, 54, 55 right now. They've already secured basically a majority. All right, let me ask you another follow-up, Sean. Back in 2020 when Trump lost, were you getting the same, yay, messaging from Team Trump at this point? Like, were you getting spun or were they being honest, like, rough night?

It's a lot of excuses. You know, we're not seeing this now, but we still think there's hope. Or we haven't seen the 18th precinct and the west side come through. I mean, they were buying hope. They were spinning as to just stay with us, stay with us. Right now, the texts that I'm getting are all like happy emoji, right? We're killing it here. We're overperforming there. You don't do this. You don't set those kind of expectations.

If you don't feel like you're on a good track, right? You buy time. You make excuses. We're seeing a team all over the reports coming out of Mar-a-Lago that they feel very good about where they are. And I would also say from folks that I'm hearing in the Senate races as well, this could potentially be a very, very big night for the Republican side. Megan, it's qualitatively different. I'm taking those emojis. They're not coming from Dan, who I'll get to in one second. By the way, Megan, I'm at...

I will just tell you, I'm sitting here now, three flights above an election party at the Heritage Foundation. And whatever they just put on television, the screams basically vibrated through the floor, three floors above where I am right now. I don't see anything going on. Well, why don't you tell them to go work on Project 2025 and stop celebrating because they were not particularly helpful in this election. Go ahead, Mark. You're going to make a point.

Just to back up what Sean said, you know, being a reporter means understanding your sources and when they're spinning and when they're credible. What's coming out of Mar-a-Lago, maybe they'll turn out to be wrong, but it's supreme confidence. It's macro confidence. It's not let us convince you of this or here's what we're looking at that. It's we've won these states.

Okay. All right, Dan, what are you hearing from Team Blue? Well, okay, to the opposite end of the spectrum here. I mean, Republicans are confident and are pointing to data. They're pointing to precincts. They're pointing to demographics that they're overperforming with or hitting their targets. The other side is just, my side is hope, and hope is not a strategy. There is really no...

In none of the swing states right now are they saying, "Hey, just wait." Like in 2020 and even in 2012,

The campaign would say, "Look, just wait. This precinct's about to come in. We've hit this voter target." And this goes back to the early vote, right? Democrats have just been saying, like, "Oh, it's apples to oranges. It was a COVID year. Like, you know, you shouldn't pay too much attention." But all the things we've talked about, and including on your show in previous installments, it looks like Trump is overperforming with Black men. He's overperforming with Latinos.

Harris is struggling with working class voters. He's running up huge margins in the rural areas and urban centers. Mark mentioned Wisconsin. By all accounts, turnout, specifically black turnout in Milwaukee, did not hit the desired target for Democrats. And given the big surge in rural parts of Wisconsin, Harris would have to really, really run up the suburbs. And there is nothing pointing that she's done that.

You know, you keep hope alive, but it is not looking good at this hour if you're a Democrat. -Megan, I think we have the first projection anyone has made in a battleground state. Decision Desk HQ is projecting Trump victory in North Carolina. -North Carolina. -That's big.

That's very big. Yeah, Fox News Decision Desk. I think they'll call Georgia soon, and yep, they're the pieces in place. Actually, Fox News Decision Desk is projecting now that Senator Ted Cruz will win a third term defeating Democratic Congressman Colin Allred. Thank God. Thank God. It's so nice just to be able to say how I really feel and not be on Fox where I have to pretend I don't care. I care. Colin Allred is a liar. He wants boys in every single girl's sport.

He lied about it five, he voted for it five times and then lied about it 10 more. On you, Colin Allred, goodbye. Okay, sorry. Okay, yeah, yeah, Decision Desk HQ projecting Trump wins North Carolina. And wow, Mark, I mean, that's huge. She was just there. We had a report she pulled $2 million in advertising, but then she kept going back there. So it's clear she was not seeding it.

She personally felt it was her best of the Sunbelt states. She felt an affinity for the university communities, the fact that it's a pro-choice state in some ways.

It was confusing to a lot of Republicans. My best Republican source in North Carolina told me he wasn't even going to poll the state because he didn't feel it was possible for her to win it. So it shows you that for all the change that occurred in the Democratic Party and in the race when Harris replaced Biden, that a state like North Carolina

which Biden wasn't going to win, perhaps was always out of reach for Harris. And that, again, the view of a lot of Republicans. But they had to try to have a great alternative to simply win the inside straight of one path to exactly 270. And if North Carolina was her best bet, it turns out maybe it wasn't a very good one. Mm-hmm. And so, Dan, how will this be spun by the Kamala Harris team? You mean North Carolina specifically? Yeah. Yeah. I...

I think they'll say their best path was always through the blue wall, that they-- it was a lot closer than it would have been if it were Biden at the top of the ticket.

And they have pointed in the last few days to Georgia as the state where they thought, you know, they had a real chance. There was talk over the weekend that late vote was improving day by day in Georgia. They felt like the turnout today was looking pretty good in the morning. But, you know, Governor Kemp has been by and Mark can speak more to this, has been saying that he felt pretty confident that it was going to go for Team Trump. And based on

the vote that's coming in in Georgia, Trump is overperforming in the rural areas and in several suburban parts, Harris is underperforming Biden. It's just hard to see when Biden won the state by such a small margin, where she's going to make up the difference right now. They are...

The New York Times needle is now officially changing the chance of winning to leaning Trump with a 66 percent chance of winning. I mean, all the data on The New York Times basically all night long, Sean, has been moving toward Trump, leaning Trump. Trump, their latest was predicting the likelihood is that Trump will win 280 to 258 in the electoral college over her.

Do we put any stock in that at all? I mean, I do recall it wasn't wasn't it the needle that told us Hillary Clinton had like a 98, 93 percent chance of winning in six. I remember the damn needle.

I was there. I recall that very much. It's a very different feeling now. I was telling someone earlier today, Megan, in 2016, we felt good, but we were told by everyone that we couldn't win. So it was this weird juxtaposition. This year, it's the opposite, where all the data looked really good, but we were told that it's going to be super close. You brought up the Iowa poll a moment ago that came out over the weekend. I will tell you that if Trump does win-- I have this pegged at 306 electoral votes for Trump on my Road to 270 map.

If this is that kind of a night for Donald Trump, 306, 312, somewhere in there, and the Iowa result is somewhere in the 8 to 10 Trump margin, the media is going to have even more egg on their face. I mean, the idea that they ran with some of these narratives really shows that they didn't take the time to understand the electorate. After the 2016 election, I sat down with the most senior people at NBC News

right days afterwards and the direct quote was, "We missed it. We didn't get you folks." And as a result, their sort of resolve was to put up pop-up bureaus in quote, "flyover country" to understand the Trump voter. I think we're going to have the whole same conversation over again, which is how did you guys miss this? And the answer is they ignored key signs that they didn't want to pay attention to.

And then as soon as they tried to understand it, they started writing books about white rage and how terrible the flyover country is and how we shouldn't be listening to those people ever again. I saw them all over on MSNBC pushing these books. Go ahead, Mark.

Two things. One, Oliver on MSNBC, both Lawrence O'Donnell and Jen Psaki are now ruminating on the evils of the Electoral College. That doesn't sound like a gang that thinks that they're going to win the election under the rules of the Electoral College. The other is, just to clarify, the New York Times needle is exactly as accurate as a broken Ouija board.

That's how you should consider its rigor. - Why are we looking at the needle? We have nothing else to look at, that's why. Go ahead, keep going. - It's funny, it's funny to look at. I think that what you're seeing in the exit polls, and the exit polls aren't necessarily gonna be right, and even the final versions are treated like stone tablets,

They're really not. But what you're seeing is Trump doing well with all the groups that he's been doing well with and that the Democrats said wasn't going to happen. He's doing well with black voters, including black men. He's doing well with Hispanic men. He's doing well with independents. And this whole notion, it's one of the biggest mistakes Democrats have made and the media have made about Donald Trump since 2015. This whole notion that he's all about the quote unquote extreme MAGA base.

is just not true because the reason he's on the precipice of being reelected is because he's found a way to appeal on issues, not on personality, not on style, but on issues to a lot of people who are not normally thought of as the extreme mega base. Yeah, and Megan, these sides have been apparent

These signs started appearing in the beginning of this calendar year. I mean, they were present during Biden's run and when Harris got the nomination, which is the groups that Mark just mentioned aren't just dissatisfied with the Democratic Party. They affirmatively like Donald Trump on policy. And that is such a harder thing to break a voter away from somebody who

who likes someone than if they're just sitting out and thinking like i won't vote

It's been plain as day, a lot of these problems and it's playing out. And I'll just add that, I tip my hat to David Plouffe and the Harris campaign. In the last week and a half, they really did kind of turn the public tide, the Titanic maybe might be a better way to put it as this night goes on, that they had a chance. And they kind of threw out like different shiny red balls that both within the party and the media latched onto

that, you know, oh, we're seeing late breakers are going two to one to us and oh, we like what we see with who's left. But they were not talking about the problem with black men, the problem in the sub like all these areas that they were having problem. And it is amazing how many Democrats came into today feeling optimistic, even though there was no concrete data.

that backed that up. I mean, I do tip my cap to them. - They recognize the problem with black men. They sent Barack Obama out to shame them. That didn't seem to work well, shockingly. That doesn't actually move the needle. But Dan, let me ask you this. Is there anything good on the Democratic side? Like is there, because I don't want to get ahead of ourselves and start assuming Trump's got this when it's only 9:36.

I will. I am not looking at my phone right now, but when I last did, there were not many bright spots. I'm curious, some of these Senate races, does a Bob, you know, obviously we have to think about Pennsylvania on the presidential level, but, you know, does Bob Casey survive? Does Tammy Baldwin? Does Elise Slotkin in Michigan? I'm watching Nevada. Does Jackie Rosen hold on out there? The NRSC pumped a lot of money in the last week.

You know, the House, we've talked about it on the morning meeting. We started this year, the calendar year, saying that the Democrats were going to potentially get the House back because they were... It was a presidential year. Harris was going to do really... Or Biden. We're going to do really well in the New York and California suburbs. And this was the secret to taking the House back. Now we're ending this election cycle talking about how strong Trump is on Long Island, how strong he is in blue suburbs...

And there's pessimism. I mean, the House is going to be close. But the optimism that was there a couple months ago has slowly dissipated. And House races trickle in later, you know, often over a week or two. But not looking good right now on Team Blue. Go ahead, Sean. Megan, real quick. I'm sorry. I'm going to have to go in a second. But just...

Just real quick, Trump continued to grow his lead in Virginia. It's not huge, but he's continued to grow it in Rhode Island, almost 80% of the precincts, and Kamala Harris stuck at 53%. Again, that's down from 60 where Biden was. But Dan, I did have a source in Wilmington that I just checked with some good news for you. If you're at the headquarters in Wilmington, there's a bar in the back with a shorter line

That's the good news for Team Harris tonight. We have water here tonight, yes. We got booze here in the Red Studio. You guys will come the next time. Mark, Dan, Sean, we will see you in just a bit. They're coming back to join us after a short time. Thank you, Megan.

Don't go too far. Back with me now on set are Rich Lowry and Charlie Cook of National Review. I'm starting to feel less of the pit in the stomach. I'm starting to feel better. I don't want to count chickens. It's scary, right? Because we've seen these things flip. Remember 2020, right? You go to bed, you think Trump has won, you wake up,

I don't know that this is even possible this time around, however, because the mail-in vote is just not what it was in 2020. Yeah, so if you're a Democrat, I think the hope is what seemed always the most likely path for her is still there, right? We barely know anything about Pennsylvania, Michigan, or Wisconsin. Now, it's important for Trump. He seems to have secured North Carolina. Georgia's trending that way. I have a friend in Georgia who's... They just moved Arizona to a lean R.

and the New York Times is opposed to toss up. And if you believe the exit polls, he's winning 45% of the Hispanic vote, which would bode well in Arizona and perhaps probably Nevada as well. But even if he wins those, he needs Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania. So if he's just winning North Carolina and Georgia, you can forget about Arizona and Nevada if he wins Pennsylvania. But he's going to need one of those. And

um and we just don't have any any data what's what's happening there so um this seemed the stronger states for her and we don't we don't have the returns yet that that would be my big note of caution these are just harbingers possibly though of

Trump's strength and that he's running better with certain groups. And those groups also exist in these other states. And also that she's not running away with it with women in particular. They don't seem to be getting her over the hump in North Carolina or now again, Georgia has moved to lean. Our Arizona has moved to lean are so what she needed, the groundswell of women is

It doesn't seem to be working, at least in the Sun Belt, Charlie. Yeah, so same caveat. She can win those three states and win the election, and it's, what, 270 to 268. And then there'll be a lot of fighting over the census, which was done really badly, and if it had been done better, you've got to blame Republican governors to some extent for this. Can you explain this, too? Because this has been an ongoing... Yeah, so... Oh, wait, wait, let me just interrupt you. Fox News decision desk projects a win for Harris in New Hampshire. Okay. That's interesting. Now, Trump made an unexpectedly strong showing, they report...

But Harris's success in urban centers and suburban areas secured her victory. So that does eliminate one path that eliminates a path for Trump. That would be the Sun Belt, including Nevada, plus New Hampshire without it. He needs a blue wall. Sorry. Right. So I forget the exact allocation, but Florida, Texas, I think North Carolina, maybe Georgia should between them have an extra three.

electoral college votes if the census had been done properly. Now, this gets very complicated and there's fights over it. And from what I understand, there was not enough attention paid to this by the governors of those states. And I think they should have taken electoral college votes away from California, maybe New York, one other state. The point is, is that if she ends up winning 270 to 268, it's totally fine. Those are the rules we have. It's a legitimate win.

But a lot of people are going to say, why didn't you fight to get that extra vote for Florida? Because if she had lost Georgia and North Carolina and Arizona right now under that proper apportionment, then Trump would have won. Wow. So then he wouldn't need a blue wall. Right. So that's at least by 2030 that the blue wall strategy is going away because those Sunbelt states have just gained so many people. So I just want to be very clear. I'm not saying she won't have won legitimately. She will. Mm-hmm.

But you're going to see a lot of complaining about that. So that caveat aside, I mean, if it is true that Trump is doing really well with women relative to expectations, better in the suburbs than expectations, and better among Hispanics, then a lot of people, myself included, are just going to have to re-evaluate how we saw... how he interacted with the electorate, right? Because...

I have many arguments against Trump. I've made them on the show. I didn't vote for them as a result. But one of the analytical arguments that I've made is that he is very weak around suburban women. And there was an aversion there. If, big if, if that's not true, well, then you've got to reimagine it, right? It's hard to believe it's not true.

you know, net net. I mean, it really is like all the polls showed this gender gap. It was the main story of this entire election. But of course, we've gotten the main stories wrong before, Rich, so I suppose. Yeah. To Charlie's point, Russ Douthat in the New York Times had an arresting formulation about this. He was talking to some Never Trump colleagues. Of course, the

They're all never Trump there, so I'm not defining it very narrowly. But he said, what if I told you in 2016 when you were against Trump and you thought you'd go away in an aberration that there'd be a Republican nominee in 2024 who'd be overperforming among Hispanics, probably overperforming among black men, have the most exciting, adventurous entrepreneur on his side, have a Kennedy on his side, a former Democratic congressman on his side, winning on the three most important issues in the election. Wouldn't you have thought, you know, well, we won?

But that's all happened, right, with Trump. So it just, it goes to just extraordinary quality he has to say, like any of these last things that have been controversial the last week and a half probably would have sunk most people just in a week and a half, right? And then you go 10 years of that and he's stronger than he's ever been and on the cusp of the presidency.

It's just an extraordinary political and personal achievement. I really think part of it goes back to the fact that people feel like they know Donald Trump. They forgive all these things because they feel they know his heart, his character, and they're just quick to overlook all of that in the same way that, you know, I liken it to sort of my relationship with my husband. I always have the most generous lens on him. I don't jump to, oh, he did that evilly or because he wanted to hurt me. I always jump to he loves me and we're good.

And I think they have the same lens on him. Stand by, guys. Joining me now, former 2024 presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy. He's live from Mar-a-Lago, where the president is right now, the former president. Vivek's also the host of his own podcast called The Truth Podcast. Vivek, welcome back to the show. What do you make of what we've seen so far? Hey.

Look, I'm in Mar-a-Lago, so I got to say, got to make sure I'm not a subject to my own algorithmic or even now physical echo chamber. But I do think that it's going not well, but very well, actually, for Donald Trump, for Republicans. Typically, even if you're looking at counties where historically this haven't been contested in contested states, these things still didn't have correlations for how it's going across the board. And so the atmosphere here is, you know, I stepped out of this dinner I'm in and been just given to you in kind of real time.

very positive and I think very positive for a good reason. And I think we could be looking at a thick majority in the Senate. And I think we're going to be looking at potentially an earlier than even expected call for Donald Trump, where we are not going to be waiting days for this to play out. That's where we are right now. Has it gotten more positive over the past two hours and 45 minutes? Yeah. Yeah. No, I think it is. I think over the last hour and a half, I think it has become

I think the environment's palpably more positive. And I think for good reason based on what I'm seeing as well. Well, let's talk about that. What do you make of the thing that Rich was just saying about how

You know, there's Trump, of course, is his normal controversial self, but it does not appear, at least so far, to have resonated with these core groups that we were told might be repulsed by the comics comment at MSG. He's doing very well with Hispanics or whatever else he's done. It seems like she's not crushing him with the women. I mean, what do you think it is about Trump and Trump's messaging that has gotten him here?

I think it's a little bit different than something that's about Donald Trump or whether it's his sense of humor or sense of ability to people to relate to him, which I think is a valid point you made, Megan. I think it's something different this time, which is the fact that this is a historic election where you get to actually compare a guy who was actually in office for four years and was out of office but very visible as the opposition for four years as well. So I think it was like, what, Grover Cleveland the last time the United States of America had this was late 1880s.

So since then, we haven't had that opportunity. And I think what you're seeing here is nothing that Donald Trump says, let alone some comedian introducing him who he didn't know about in Madison Square Garden as a proxy. That's not going to shake people's opinion of a guy who they've had as their U.S. president

who was making policy decision and personal decisions by twitter whether or not you like it that was donald trump and we had him for four years and so i think in some ways the idea that even in the late stages of this race that some small thing that he said or a surrogate said or a non-surrogate said could somehow tip this race no matter how the media wanted to spin it

was a bit of probably a wishful myth from the people who oppose him, like him or not, that people know exactly what they're getting. And I think that that's part of what made this race

So unshakable. Try as they might. And every method they did try. And we can sort of delineate and beat that dead horse many times over from ballot removals to, you know, frankly, for crazy people, assassination attempts to switching a candidate at the top of the ticket. Nothing really, I think, was capable of shaking this through the end because people know exactly what they're getting with them.

And that's what they're voting for is what they got for those four years. That's at least what I see in this. Not to mention the lawfare. So what do you think, Vivek? I got to ask you the speculative question. I mean, if he does win this thing tonight or overnight, explain what you think will happen, you know, because we look at this this.

team that he's put together, yourself included. And Nicole Shanahan put together this great closing ad of it was sort of like the Marvel superheroes, all these unusual friends coming together, right? From Bobby Kennedy to you, to Nicole, to Elon, JD. You know what? It's just it's something we haven't seen before in modern political history. What does that look like as Trump takes the oath of office?

Yeah, look, I think that, I mean, most of that group that you named is right here. I think maybe everyone in that group is here tonight. And I think one of the things that's remarkable about it is that we don't all agree on 100% of nitty gritty policy questions. And that's part of what makes this new kind of alliance a beautiful thing in American politics, to say that we agree on the basic rules of the road, even if we have some policy differences on what level of

state action or muscular state intervention we want in some particular economic question. Those are questions for another day.

So I think what we're going to see in phase one of this, as Donald Trump takes office in January 20th, is, I hope, and I think it's going to be the case, Megan, a kind of national unity we haven't seen in a really long time. Multiple former Democrats involved in some way, multiple independents, multiple of us who ran against Donald Trump, multiple people who are outsiders coming from the world of business to go in and shake up the government. And I don't think we're going to go incrementally. I think we're going to go

I think we're going to go big, go big, go early. And I think that that's good for the benefit of the country. And I think that's going to be a phase of uniting the country against the bureaucracy, against the unelected managerial class and three-letter agencies that have for too long been making policy. I think that's going to be phase one of this.

I think necessarily because of the fact that this was not people who were 100% policy aligned on every micro question, I think if you roll this forward two, three, four years, you're going to see healthy then debates emerge within the America First movement itself about the level of state interventionism we want. Do we want to use the regulatory state to accomplish our objectives?

Or do we want to get in there and actually finish the job of just shutting it down all the way? Where are we on questions of declaring economic independence from China versus trade that's required to enhance that or make that happen? Where are we on the question of legal immigration? We're all vehemently opposed to illegal immigration, but where are we on legal immigration? So I think it's going to come in two phases, where in the first phase of this, we're going to see a kind of unity that goes beyond just unity in the Republican Party.

but frankly, unity for the country by bringing together this truly diverse and not in the democratic identity politics sense of diverse, but an actually diverse coalition that revives and infuses, I think, a kind of spirit we've been missing in our national character for a long time. And then I think that will lay the groundwork for what I think can be some healthy, constructive debates on some of the smaller but still more important policy questions in the long run for the Republican Party.

And I think the America First movement will be stronger for having that debate, but I think that's not going to come in year one. I think in year one, we're going to see a level of unity around the basic rules of the road from free speech, meritocracy, self-governance, shutting down the managerial administrative state. I think those things, that diverse coalition you described is rock solid on. And then I think we move this movement forward from there.

Wow. This is a vision into what could be if Donald Trump actually wins this thing tonight and possibly maintains control of the House as the Republican Party and wins over control of the Senate. Vivek, all the best. Great to see you. Thank you. We'll talk soon. Thank you, guys. Bye. Wow.

I just want to tell you one story about Vivek before I bring on my next guest. Years ago, years ago, I had a woman on the show who got fired over some BS, cancel culture nonsense because she stood up against the DEI stuff being shoved down her throat. And I've never told this story before, but I got a call after the show from a friend of Vivek's and I didn't know Vivek. And he said he wants to help her.

And he volunteered to pay her legal fees in going after it. And that he wasn't even on the national scene yet. I'm I'm like so proud of him that he's he's gone from this guy just like was on the outside looking at it and said, how can I help? This is nonsense, was a real warrior against the woke DEI nonsense, which is all but collapsed. It's not done, but it's it's collapsing. The Democrats didn't even run on it. They ran away from it. The New York Times did an article on that.

And now look at him on an inner circle of power, part of the possible Marvel team if Trump wins, and he may not, but if he does, so good for him. Okay, coming up, Eric Bolling will join us, Steve Bannon will join us, and many more. But first, this.

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Well, you don't know what to root for. You don't like Trump and you don't like Harris. I'm very much rooting for a Republican Senate. Okay, good. This is my... Celebratory. And the House. I'm a Congress guy. I want a Republican Congress. And this is also Florida. Amendment 4 went down. Yes, that's right. So there's things to celebrate. I mean, you may not like Trump, but you will like that shrinking of government that Vivek was talking about. Elon with his big scissors cutting. Right? Yeah.

If that happens, that would be terrific. Yes, China's got a strong libertarian streak. Yeah, and also, I mean, look, this is the thing, is that whichever one of them loses, one of them's lost, right? So there's comfort to you in that, is that what you're saying? A 50% chance of comfort, right? The only person who can't stand more than Trump is Kamala Harris. Okay, joining me now is Eric Bolling. He's host of the newly launched podcast, Bolling. Eric, welcome back. How are you feeling? Good.

I'm feeling great, Megan. How are you? Thanks for having me back. I'm a little jealous of the martinis, to be honest with you, but someone's have to work tonight. Next time you come up here, we'll pop them open early. So, I mean, you know, it's like we're all feeling kind of like, oh, my gosh, is he winning? Is he winning? And yet there's been absolutely no data to suggest he's winning in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin or Michigan yet.

So, you know, I crunch these numbers, Megan. It's what I do. It's almost like Rain Man. I don't know what it is. There's a sense. I get this gut in 2016. I felt it was going to happen leading into the election, election night. I'll never forget. We were on set together at some point, and North Carolina flipped, and we called it, Fox called it for Trump, and I said, that's it. It was so clear to me. 2020 was a different story. I never felt confident. I haven't felt as confident in Trump winning

since 2016 until about two days ago. And there were there are so many things that were falling in line. I believe now it's going to be a landslide. I don't think it's going to be eked out. I don't even listen. Pennsylvania can fall either way. This is going to be a Trump red wave. And I not said that really too much this whole election cycle, maybe not in six or seven years since 2016 or eight years since 2016. This is it's all going his way. It's like

You know, it's like a football game, Megan, or a basketball game, any sporting event where the momentum shifts and you can feel it shifting. You're in the stands watching or you're playing. You can feel the momentum going your way or the other way. She came out of the box. She raised a half a billion dollars in a month. She had the momentum. She was African-American, a female. Everyone loved it. It was something different. They loved it until...

One thing happened. I will tell you that the inflection point for Kamala Harris from going from the leader to where she is right now, I think it's going to be a bad loss for her, was when that local Philadelphia reporter, a local reporter, not NBC, I don't even know which affiliate it was, asked Kamala Harris,

off to the side of one of her rallies, he says, "How will you fix inflation?" And then she gave her -- I come from the middle class, and I -- -Rich is nodding his head yes. -And he said, "No, no, no. How will you fix inflation?" And she had nothing. She was a deer in the headlights. And I think the rest of the media realized,

"Wow, we've really been pumping up someone that's not the candidate we thought she was going to be." And then the media started to jump on her a little bit. The View asked her what she would do differently. She said absolutely nothing. And then that NBC interview, I can't remember who it was. It wasn't Kirsten Welker. It was another female MSNBC host, I believe.

Well, no, even before Stephanie Rohr. Oh, yeah, Hallie Jackson. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Hallie Jackson, who really laid into her, and she had nothing. She had an air ball. So the momentum went towards Trump. And again, momentum is everything in presidential elections.

She almost got the momentum back on Madison Square Garden night when the Roast comic made a joke about Puerto Ricans being garbage, which I think was an absolute misstep by the Trump campaign. They messed up. They should have vetted that joke and pulled it. I don't care what -- They're gonna get mad at me for saying this.

But this is what you do when you're in PR and you're in campaigns. Yeah, you let people be themselves, but that should never have been uttered there. Now, it could have been much worse, but Joe Biden bailed Trump out by calling

Every Trump supporter or half the country garbage as well. In fact, I saw your Halloween costume so appropriately and well worn, Megan. So the momentum was trying to go back to Kamala Harris. It was that. And then when they finally said only dumb and unintelligent women follow Trump, wow, when Cuban said that, you lit up, you lit him up.

and then you go into Pennsylvania, I think they never were able to get the momentum back. And they're just -- The fat lady's singing, Megan. It's probably that they're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats' song right now.

Okay, listen, this data just in, I just said there's nothing from the blue wall states right now to suggest that Trump is winning. That's still true, but there is some good news in Pennsylvania via NBC. Right now, Trump is polling with whites.

just a little bit worse than he did in 2020. He was 57% then. He's 54% now. You know, he lost Pennsylvania last time around. With blacks, he's polling 2% better than he did. He was at seven. Now he's at nine. With Latinos back in 2020, he had 27% of the vote and now he has 42. There it is right there. If he wins Pennsylvania, Eric, the Latino vote appears to be turning out

significantly for Donald Trump in Pennsylvania. That's the vote she courted heavily over the past week because she thought she was going to use that vote, that comics joke. She told us that she got Jennifer Lopez out there who literally knows nothing about anything besides marrying a bunch of people. She told us that Puerto Ricans were going to be outraged over this stupid joke and

And it does not appear to have done what Kamala Harris hoped it would do, at least not so far. So one joke turns out one joke didn't override four years of the borders are looking the other way on the border. Eight or nine million people. It turns out Latinos are pissed off about that because most Latinos who are here right now are very they're very conservative values. They're they're they're God fearing people. They they're hard workers.

And they came here legally and they went through the process. And so for her to, for them and her specifically, to let in millions upon millions, they feel that they've been cheated, that these people are cheating or fronting the line. You know, and I gotta tell you,

When the Department of Justice sues the state of Virginia to try and keep illegals on the voting rolls, that was a red flag. That was a red flag to every Latino saying, guess what? There's a pathway to citizenship for these people who just walk across the border. It doesn't play well with legal citizens, Latinos and Hispanics.

in America right now. This, she had a chance. You know what they really should have done, Megan? They should have done what they did with Joe Biden. They should have given her the nomination in July and then put her in the basement and tell her, just stay off media. Just don't do any interviews. Well, just the way they did with Joe. And she might have pulled it out.

That's what we said. Same thing on the show. I mean, this audience heard me say many times, I love her newfound confidence. This is wonderful. Keep her out there. Keep it rolling. Let's, you know, tour after tour after tour, because you could see just how poorly she was doing, guys. She was just there wasn't one that she did well at. Not one. I mean, to use the left's words, we deconstructed all of the speeches in which we centered her language and it let us down immensely.

Every time. I mean, that's directly related to her fall in the polls. So she was unimpressive in all these interviews. But the thing that hurt her most, and Eric mentioned it, was the view. A friendly question from a Sony host and setting her up, what would you do differently? And not having an answer to that was a strategic choice.

Because I would have thought the first thing you do when you're selected as a nominee, you got a president who's under 40% approval rating in some polls. Come up with the three things you do differently or you think he was wrong on. You can say it gently or whatever, but do that. And they made a choice not to do that. And we've talked about this on the Editors' Podcast some. And...

I think this is Charlie's theory, which I agree with, is after you've shifted on everything from 19 and 20, you can't go and also say, oh, and everything happened the last four years. I don't agree with that either. You're a total chameleon at that point. But I think looming very large is the actor off the screen here, Joe Biden, who said he was going to run again last year so they couldn't have primaries or caucuses, chose her for DEI reasons and is woefully unpopular, and she got no separation from him.

from him. So if she loses, he's a big reason. You know, can we just talk about like the Hispanic vote? I think a lot of us assume it's like the men. Trump does well with men, Hispanic men like a manly man. But I do think it's more than that. I mean, Hispanics tend to be Christian. They tend to be more conservative in their social politics.

And notwithstanding the fact they didn't run on DEI, this is a party run wild on the DEI front that is shoving porn into our kids' elementary schools. And they have been absolutely radical, both of them. And she's even more leftist than he is on this stuff, which has been raised. I find it hard to believe that the Hispanic community hasn't heard or felt any of this, Charlie. Yeah, so I think that's true. And I think that a lot of it is the product of that. But I have a...

a theory that is simultaneous with that. And that is just that Hispanics, as you know, are normal people. And the racial polarization in America is a bad thing.

And in most cases over time, it disappears. You know, we don't really focus anymore on how do Irish Americans vote, how do Italian Americans vote, how do... I mean, there are patterns, but we don't obsess over this. But we obsess over Hispanics, which is this fake category that was invented, this big balloon category in the 70s, but in the Nixon administration for no reason. And it just seems to me that...

you know, there are very good reasons why historically African Americans have had a different identity, partly because they were oppressed for 200 years institutionally. But that hasn't happened to Hispanics. And so I think some of what you're seeing is just

rather than the way the left slices and dices up the electorate, if you talk to Hispanics about politics, they say, well, I'm worried about my kids' school and inflation and gas prices. And they sound like everyone else. And there's no historical and justifiable reason for them to consider themselves as sort of the other. And I think the left...

almost has got into this bad habit of patting Hispanics on the head and sort of saying, well, as a Hispanic, you must think this. And I just think there's a backlash against it where they say, no, I'm just a normal person. They don't want to be a victimized minority. They just want to be Americans like everyone else. And I think if you said, as Republicans did, you know, for a very long time to the average Hispanic voter, hi, I'm a Republican. I want to reform entitlements and cut taxes for the wealthy. Like, no, no, no.

I'm not sure I'm for that. But if you say, hi, I'm a Republican, I'm patriotic, I'm a Christian, and I don't think men should be competing in women's sports like these other nuts do who want to call you Latinx and all the rest of the stuff. They're like, oh, maybe I can get on board. I think it's Latinx, but I'll let it slide. Eric Bolling, we found that soundbite to which you referred with the Philly anchor. Let's watch it.

You talked about creating an opportunity economy. I wonder if we can drill down on that a little bit. When we talk about bringing down prices and making life more affordable for people, what are one or two specific things you have in mind for that? Well, I'll start with this. I grew up a middle-class kid. My mother raised my sister and me. She worked very hard. I grew up in a neighborhood of folks who were very proud of their lawn, you know? And I was raised...

to believe and to know that all people deserve dignity and that we as Americans have a beautiful character. So when I talk about building an opportunity economy, it is very much with the mind of investing in the ambitions and aspirations and the incredible work ethic of the American people and creating opportunity for people, for example, to start a small business.

Eric, you nailed it. I mean, that was... By the way, I was going to say, by the way, kudos to your production staff for digging that one because that was supposed to be one of her first, let's test the waters a little bit. You know, let's try it. A local reporter, how bad could it possibly be? It's likely, you know, a branded...

CNN or NBC station where they weren't going to lean into her, but it didn't take much leaning. He literally asked her, just clarify what you mean, opportunity economy. And what they've been doing, they've been throwing this term out without actually specifying what they mean, opportunity economy, when he said, what are the specifics of that she had

I grew up with a lawn. Yeah, okay, gotcha. You're middle class. Okay, gotcha. And then went into a word cell. I will tell you, I believe that was the inflection point of her rise towards the presidency when the media finally found some cojones. Can I say that? A tip to the Hispanic community. Cojones to start to ask her tough questions to see what really is behind the curtain. Turns out the Wizard of Oz was there. The little ball guy there with the monster. And...

Listen, Donald Trump's stock was $14 a share a couple of weeks ago. It's now 300% higher than that. Bitcoin just made a new high tonight, Megan. Brand new high tonight, $73,000. People in the crypto world believe Donald Trump is pro-crypto. Brand new high, all-time high in crypto. And then there's a betting site, a trading site, really. It's not even a betting site. It's a trading site. I have...

my stock account there, you can actually trade on who you think the president's going to be. It's not betting, it's actually you're buying a share of Donald Trump or a share of Kamala Harris. Now, it had been running Trump by a little bit right up until this afternoon. It's now 80 to 22, and it's not exactly 100 because there's some commission in there. But Donald Trump has an 80% chance of winning. So big money, smart money are seeing the same thing we are.

Mm. Eric Bolling, thank you very much. Wow. 10.08 right now, and the polls have just closed in the final battleground state, Nevada. Let's hear from Steve Bannon. He's the host of War Room, which you can watch on Real America's Voice, Rumble X, and all podcast platforms. He's also a former chief strategist for President Trump. Steve, welcome back. How's it looking to you so far?

I think with North Carolina decision desk calling it for President Trump, it's really cut off her oxygen. She's got to run the tables right now, Megan, essentially in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. I think that's way too heavy lift. You can't call this yet. She's in trouble in Wisconsin. She's in trouble in Pennsylvania, Michigan. I think she's in trouble when you see the numbers coming out of out of Wayne County. Look, it's quite simple.

The Hispanic population throughout the country did not buy what she was selling. And most importantly, African-American men have understood what she's been doing with this illegal alien invasion, how she fails to support the First Step Act of President Trump. They detest her, as I've been saying since my time in Danbury. They did not turn out, I think, 25%.

of African Americans in, I think it was in Georgia, are voting for President Trump. So right now, she's got a massive problem. What caused it, Steve? As you look back on her closing message, she was only running for 107 days. What caused this?

You see, David Brooks, you can tell this from the media because they're all saying David Brooks had a big column in the Sunday Times. And as you know, he's one of the smartest guys around. He says she needed this campaign to be longer. Remember, she was very ill-defined to the American people. She's not a particularly high-profile VP. She hasn't accomplished a lot. She dropped out of her presidential primary, the first one, even before Iowa. She had to define herself differently.

uh to the american people and the way to do that is you've got to like donald trump make america great again america first build the wall take one or two things that you really believe and for authenticity make sure it's something you can believe and sell she didn't do that she had this very uh ephemeral the politics of joy uh she kind of drifted along in in there in there in those couple of weeks

when they were so glad that somebody besides Biden was there. She didn't really define herself on any topic. She wouldn't take interviews. She never interviewed with you. She wouldn't take hard interviews when she was even doing interviews. It was so almost infantile and juvenile what she was saying. They, Brett Baer asked her, what's the number one geopolitical threat to the United States? Who's our number one, you know, geopolitical, the biggest national security problem we have in the world? What country? And she said, Iran.

And Brett Baird goes, well, a lot of people say China. And she didn't. She says, no, Iran. She's as ill-prepared for the office. And that came through. And I think that's what buried her. She never defined herself. Now, in MSNBC, you know we're doing a good job here, Megan, when before 10 o'clock at night, Lawrence O'Donnell, Rachel Maddow, the entire crew are bitching and moaning about the Electoral College.

When they're down, when they got the sad faces and the big tears coming down for the Electoral College, I think it's going well for the populist nationalist movement of President Trump tonight.

That's for sure. Here's another one for you. Joy Reid, who is upset, I'm sure, about the Electoral College as well, which, by the way, for whatever it's worth, The New York Times is suggesting now their projection is that Trump will win it. This is just a guess. This isn't their actual prediction, suggesting that Trump will win it 295 to 243, which is the highest they've had him. But here's Joy Reid, who's really, really mad that Trump crushed Florida. Take a listen.

It's a pure Project 2025 in miniature in Florida. And that kind of extreme sort of extremist right wing fascist type government in Florida, does that make it a more attractive place? Extreme right wing fascist government. I guess she's talking about Ron DeSantis, but that's what we're we're in for four years of that. If Trump pulls this thing off. Oh, Megan, it's going to be.

Extraordinary. They're not going to give up. They're going to fight it every step of the way. This is why it's so important tonight to continue to put up numbers in Nevada, Arizona. We've got to have a big margin here. Electoral College run up the vote, but also get as close as possible on the popular vote. They're coming in hard tomorrow. I mean, they're already framing this.

that she ran out of time, that was coming her way, that this is all about the Electoral College, that on the popular vote, she would have blown us out, so this is not democratic. They're going to come at President Trump on the deportations, on having to cut spending, all of it. People just have to understand, today could potentially, it's not there, could potentially be a big one, because if she runs the table on the blue wall with...

With Nebraska, too, she's president. So we've got to win. We've got to pick up one of those states right now. I think that will happen. But...

But it's going to be tough. People have to understand between now and now, inauguration day is going to be brutal. The first hundred days of President Trump's second term is going to be brutal. So people cannot rest on their laurels here. This if you want to save your country, understand it's a fight right now is looking at Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. I'm not so sure she can take all three. I think what's happening to her in Philadelphia and Detroit.

could be a kill shot, but we got to play this out. Oh my gosh, Steve. Speaking of that, the latest rounds of exit polls of the key states shows right now this could change. Trump is getting 20% of black men and 54% of Latino men. Wow. If that's true, if she made, if he maintains that margin in the blue wall, it's done.

We're seeing this in Wayne County. She has to outperform right now on game day vote in Philadelphia, higher than Obama, higher than Hillary Clinton, higher than Joe Biden. I think 700,000 votes. I think that's a heavy lift. I think that's why you're seeing the long faces. Wayne County with Detroit, the same situation you see right there. He's getting 20% of the black vote. I also think when we get –

be able to deconstruct this in the next couple of days. There's also a certain segment of the black male vote that just didn't vote. So this is what I think is killing her. The 54 percent, Megan, of Hispanic men is literally a game changer. And I think we're seeing a new coalition come together, as you and I have talked about a couple of times, a new coalition coming together around these kind of populist nationalist policies of President Trump.

That I mean, those numbers are incredible. Again, if they hold. Wow. Steve Bannon, thank you. Thank you for everything. Great to see you back with me now. Henry Olson, senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and host of the Beyond the Polls podcast. All right, Henry. So it's been about two hours since we last spoke. What is jumping out at you as the most relevant couple of storylines? The likely but not yet callable victory of Donald Trump for the presidency of the United States.

Whoa. Why? Why? It's because as all of these places come in, what we see is stronger than expected. Trump showing the supposed Election Day campaign

swift movement towards Connell Harris is not materializing. One of the patterns of the night, if you follow the New York Times needle, is that the more votes that come in, the more they move their estimate towards Trump, which means that they keep showing stronger and stronger returns than they had expected. You take a look, every exit poll, I do the math, the ones that have

have them within tenths of a point. The only one she's ahead in is Michigan. But you take a look like right now, Donald Trump is ahead in Wisconsin by three tenths of a point. Seventy something percent of the vote in Madison County is him. There are counties that are going to vote for Donald Trump that haven't reported a single vote.

He's not losing votes in the suburbs of Milwaukee. He's picking up votes in the suburbs of Milwaukee. The two swing counties in the state, Sauk and Door, are voting for him. You don't call an election like this. It's way too many votes. But the things that we were told in the media today that were happening are not actually showing up in results.

And that's happening in virtually every state I look at. And it's carrying through to the Senate that they have not called the race for Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is going to be the next senator. He's ahead by eight points or so. Fox called it for him. There's still lots of Republican areas. Okay, sorry. Has Fox called Bernie Marino? No, none of the other big Senate races has been called.

Yeah, okay. You know, there's still votes out. Bernie Marino is ahead by five points. Some Democratic areas are out, but... This is Ohio. You know, you're just looking at this, and...

The Democratic senators are not running very far ahead. As the votes come in, Donald Trump is doing much better. Not much better like five points, but a point or two better. When the exit polls say you're within tenths of a point and all the data suggests it can be more like one or one and a half, all of the data point in the same direction. This race should not be called, but the odds of Donald Trump winning, 79% on the needle strikes me as about right that

It would take a massive miracle in Election Day voting across the blue wall to save Kamala Harris right now. Wow. Wow. Gosh, Henry, you know how to really get our attention with your projections. That's incredible to hear. Yeah, go ahead.

I'm just saying I'm not calling it. When I call a race, it means, you know, I'm on point. Let's put it this way. A certain type of opera singer with Viking horns is warming up behind to get ready to sing. She had a little too much for dinner, this gal. Do you think these margins... Oh, she might be a little foresign.

These margins are going to hold that I just went through of 20 percent with black men and 54 percent with Latinos, Latino men. You know, do I think they're going to hold? Exit polls are always difficult to critique until you have all of the data that are in. But, you know, like what I can point you is let's take a look at Florida, Osceola County, the most Puerto Rican county in the country. Donald Trump carried it.

Miami-Dade County, massive swing to him in 2020. He still lost it by three points. He carried it by 11 points. These are Hispanic places. So what do you think will happen now? You're seeing what you're seeing. You've explained it. And it's 10.20 p.m. Eastern. What do you think is going to happen over the next two, three hours? Well, a couple of things. First of all, Arizona,

is looking increasingly Republican as the early vote drops. The Seltzer poll is clearly not correct in Iowa. What I think is going to happen is the election day vote is going to slowly, slowly move up.

for Donald Trump. You take a look, half of the expected vote in Philadelphia is already in. The Democrats said she needed to get like 470,000 vote margin out of it. If you double her margin right now, she won't even be at 400,000.

I'm not saying it's over by any stretch of the imagination, but the data all suggests that things are looking very good for Trump for at least one of the paths that he has. If he holds, I called it for Georgia a while ago. I think North Carolina is almost certainly Republican. He holds those two states. He only needs one of the three Midwestern states.

He only needs one. Which one do you think is looking the most likely? Wisconsin. Wisconsin. By the way, to your point, NBC News projecting Donald Trump wins Iowa. So you are absolutely right about the seltzer poll not holding up. She had Kamala Harris winning Iowa by three points, Henry.

Yeah, well, look, like I said when we talked this morning and people have been asking me about the Seltzer poll for the last 48 hours, every great pollster has a stinker. No one denies that Ann Seltzer is the best pollster in Iowa.

But every great pollster has a stinker. She threw one up and it's not her fault. It's the sample. But you just have to not just go with the polls. You have to understand what politics is about and voting patterns and so forth. And that's why I said to you and said to everybody, it is one of those one out of 20 polls that is just wrong and it's wrong. And Iowa is going to go for Donald Trump pretty, pretty strongly.

One of the problems with the blue wall states is they apparently take a very long time to count. Now, I've heard the Michigan secretary of state say, oh, we sped it up. We're going to do better this time than we did last time, given the amount of mailing vote that we had the last time when we've shorn up our positions on how to do it. But is there any chance it's going to be too slow in Wisconsin, in Michigan, in Pennsylvania to have a call in the next five hours? No.

Let's see. So it's 1022 Eastern Time. I'd say six. OK, six hours, because, you know, look, we're talking about half the votes are in in Milwaukee. And those are almost certainly not Election Day votes because they all got dropped very early. We're talking about two thirds of the three quarters of the vote in in Dane County.

It's just the rural areas that haven't reported yet all of their votes count more quickly because it's election day votes, it's precinct votes. I think Wisconsin will have the bulk of its votes in four to five hours and will be able to call the state.

Unless something that I don't expect happens, which is that the last quarter of the vote in Dane and the last 30 percent of the vote in Milwaukee are significantly more Democrat than what we've seen so far. The current trends play out. Donald Trump will win Wisconsin. Not a call, just a direction.

Mm hmm. Henry, we're coming back to you. Please raise your hand as you get more data and have some more thoughts on it. So helpful. Thank you. Stand by. Joining me now, Victor Davis Hanson, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He's also the author of The End of Everything. Victor, great to see you. Wow. What a night. We're trying not to get ahead of our skis. But you heard Henry, very bullish, very sober, serious pollster, respected and has a great record saying he believes this race is Donald Trump's.

Yeah, I can see why he says that. I mean, if you take a state like Pennsylvania, we've been hearing, Megan, you and I have talked about it, that the Jewish vote was going to be problematic, that black males were going to be problematic getting the percentages they needed in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

We were told that there was 600,000 more Republican voters. We were told the Amish were going to come out. They were all not in themselves important, but in aggregate, they were almost a perfect storm. So when we started seeing these polls, especially the last three days, that everything had tightened up and she had the momentum, a lot of us thought that that was sort of a false prediction.

to increase exposure for fundraising, get people out to vote, but it didn't reflect what had been going on for a long time. But everybody, I think, especially the last 48 hours on the Trump side was kind of shell shocked. They thought, oh my God, it's gonna happen again. I'm gonna go to bed at 10. He's gonna be ahead. I'm gonna wake up, it's over with. They've got the Cheney story. They've got the fake news shooting story.

And that was all ginned up, I think. I don't think there was any support for it. And, you know, you and I have talked. I live in this community that's 95% Hispanic. I have not met a

Mexican American male over the age of 40 who was not going to vote for Donald Trump. I've never seen anything like it. It didn't happen in 2016. It didn't happen in 2020. It didn't happen in 2022. And it's mostly driven by the border and inflation. And the other thing I'd say, Megan, very quickly is I work on the Stanford campus.

If this trend holds true, these people are going to have a complete mental breakdown. They really are. I mean, they have been convinced that Kamala Harris is winning, that the New York Times poll or the Washington Post was absolutely accurate, that inside Intel and Trifalgar and Rasmussen were just crazy. It was a sure thing. And

Trump was RIP, rest in peace. And I don't think they'll psychologically... I don't think we're going to... We have no idea about the mental confusion that Trump should win because they were convinced that he was... The last 48 hours had lost his momentum and she was a shoo-in. I've heard that from 20, 30 people today on campus. Well, here's the other thing, to your point. If Trump pulls this off...

The meltdown will be, yes, he's evil and he's been reelected and they're going to have to deal with all of that. But it's also the loss of their power and control. They will have to come to grips with like the 2016 thing was a fluke. They didn't take him seriously. He shocked the world. That's one thing. But they this time they pulled out all the stops from the lawfare to the nonstop actual media reporting that he's Hitler. Right.

I mean, there's not another stop to pull. And if he manages to do it anyway, Victor. There is one. There is one, Megan. They've been talking, as you know, about Jack Smith's sentencing coming up.

Not that that would affect his ability, but they really do. I think they really do believe that if they lose this election, they will think that Jack Smith will put him in jail. And that will be something to watch if he tries that. You mean not Jack Smith. You mean the Alvin Bragg DA in New York. Yes, Alvin Bragg, but also Jack Smith later on. Yeah, Jack Smith still got an open prosecution against him, and he's appealing the one that got thrown out. So he's got two avenues against Trump still potentially viable. I think you've mentioned that, too. Alvin Bragg could put him in jail this month.

I mean, I don't think that they will be able to do that. Oh, hold on one second. Let's see. This is Pennsylvania. Hold on. We don't actually have a projection, but it's the New York Times reporting Pennsylvania right now. Trump plus three with 56 percent reporting in Lackawanna. It's Harris plus three. That's one of the counties. That's where Scranton is with 95 percent reporting. Wait a minute. What did what did Biden get?

Biden won Lackawanna plus eight, eight and a half in 2020. She's at plus three right now in Biden's home county where Scranton is, Lackawanna. Again, it's only 56% reporting that could change. But she is, you know, what's happening now, Victor, amazingly, is we may be starting to realize they were better off with Biden. Biden.

Yeah, I think I was on Jesse Waters and we talked about that. I don't know if they were better off, but they were better able to hide Biden because everybody had baked into his presidency that he was cognitively challenged. So when he didn't appear, they just said, well, the Obamas are running it or something. But

he didn't get out. I mean, they didn't let him out. And she, when she, she was in a doom loop because the longer she evaded the media, the more pressure that was put upon her. And then when she came out every single interview, she lost 24 hours of just support. Everybody just could not believe it. And it,

I think there's been cognitive dissonance. I really want to reiterate that. In Michigan, we were told the EV mandate was really turning off auto workers. We were told that the black vote in Detroit was not there. We were told even the Muslim vote was starting to peel off from levels that Biden had. And when you have these types of indicators in Pennsylvania,

and you have them, whether it's registration or surprising early and mail-in ballot. And then you look at these polls and they're static. And I'd always say to myself, Megan, how can New Mexico be moving in Trump's direction, but next door Arizona is static? How can

Minnesota be moving and not that he's going to win it, but it was moving in his direction. But the polls say Wisconsin is static. How could North Carolina be static while Virginia was moving? And I just think that they, I'm not saying that they were dishonest, but I do think that these polls had other purposes other than revealing what the actual

estimations of the the ballot would be and and there were too many indicators that things were not going well for her across the board from the type of balloting for the type of melody

Do you think it was an inability to see? Good news for Trump. I mean, look, was it any accident that Larry Sabato's crystal ball had among the worst projections for Trump? Best for Kamala. I don't know Ann Seltzer in Iowa, but she really got this one wrong. I think she tried to change the race.

with that poll at the last minute trying to inject some, and I don't know whether it was conscious or subconscious to try to save and all this, oh, these older women are so obsessed with abortion and they're running to the polls. Well, it didn't happen. He just won. Iowa was one of the first states called. I think it's like, why would Lorne Michaels ruin his reputation after 40 years of obeying basically protocols that you don't,

overtly endorse a candidate or put one particular candidate out right before the election. And it's analogous to the pollsters. I think they felt that the ends were so important that you had this noble, better, superior candidate and you had this awful Trump. And if you were going to risk your reputation just a little bit,

it would be worth it because you could create momentum or you could get a late surge in donations or you could get more exposure or you could get greater turnout. And I do think that, I don't know whether it's overtly conscious or subconscious, but I do think there was an intent behind it and it was not empirical because there was too many indicators, Megan. Victor, I want to tell you this. The New York Times said,

not calling anything, but now moving Georgia from toss-up. First, they moved it to lean Trump, and now they just moved Georgia to very likely Trump, and they just moved Michigan to lean Trump. Michigan. You heard Henry was saying Wisconsin looks like it's Trump's at this point. He didn't call it, but he's saying Wisconsin is very strong for Trump. This is Michigan and also North Carolina likely Trump.

Yeah, you know, I go there every year to teach at Hillsdale for two or three weeks, and I could tell there was something different in the news coverage. Trump didn't have as many commercials, but they were far better. And when you were reading about the Michigan demography, you look at those three, that triad of special interest voters, the United Auto Workers, the Dearborn Muslim vote, and the Detroit Demo.

and maybe Ann Arbor or Lansing or Grand Rapids African-American vote. And all three of those indicators were not there in the way they had been for Biden. And yet you would see these polls again and again giving Biden two, three, 4%. I just don't think that was possible. I think they knew that was impossible.

And I think they're really going to take a hit, Megan. Their reputation has kind of improved after the 2022 midterm, but I think they're going to go back to the status they had in 2016 and even worse in 2020. You know, I have to wonder, having just left Pittsburgh last night, where we had all these guys with the hard hats, men who work with their hands, right?

cheering on their feet all night long for Donald Trump. That looks a lot like Michigan. Michigan's full of guys like that. Auto workers, as you point out, suffering from these EV mandates that Biden-Harris crammed down our throats. They want to eliminate these guys' industry. And I do wonder whether...

You know, just this ongoing problem with the Democrats, their messaging around what a real man is, what a real job is, what do we drive, what do we cook with, what will the government tell us, or will men and women, for that matter, be able to make up their own minds and live peacefully without the government trying to micromanage us? I just wonder how much that strain of the election argument is.

is driving these Michiganders and others in the Midwest to say no. - No, I think it is. I noticed that the gender gap that she was, in the case of males, actually went up the more that Emhoff and Walt started talking about the new empathetic male, the new masculinity, those white dudes for Harris, those crazy actors that were in those commercials. Nobody's ever seen a person act like that in the real world.

And this idea that then the stories come out that, you know, Waltz is kind of temperamental and Emhoff slapped his girlfriend or he got his nanny. That was a whole disaster on their part, this idea that they were going to create an image of a new masculine male who was feminine almost. And I think it really turned a lot of independent men off. I really do.

and especially in terms of foreign policy. I think a lot of women and men both were very worried that after listening to Kamala Harris, especially when she talks out of both sides of her mouth to different audiences, and how she was going to deal with Ukraine when Putin is now threatening to use tactical nuclear weapons or putting incendiary devices allegedly on planes, and we're looking at something's going to happen with Iran

Very soon. And the idea that she would be the commander and she just terrifies people, I think. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. All right, Victor. We'll see how the night goes. Exactly. I'm going to stand you by. One piece of good news for Kamala. The New York Times just moved Michigan back into toss-up. So Michigan goes. Okay.

To lean Trump right back to toss up moments later so they're not feeling as confident now that it may be getting redder as more and more raw vote comes in and they get it tallied up. Stand by, Victor. We're going to come back to you. Great to have you tonight. Love hearing from you. Back with me now here on set is Maureen Callahan. And also joining our discussion is Amala Epinobi, host of the Amala Epinobi podcast, and Link Loren, a former senior advisor to RFKJ's presidential campaign.

Thanks to you, Amala and Link, for joining the conversation. Link, let me start with you, since you actually worked for RFKJ for a while, Bobby, as he's known. Your reaction to the returns we're seeing so far tonight? Well, I just heard that Xanax and boxed wine are being delivered to the MSNBC studios. They are melting down. I'm happy to be back. Maureen, we got to get some of that here just for fun. I'm coming in with a drink next time. I'm not kidding. Why should they have all the fun? Go ahead, Link.

I

I also have to say, you look stunning last night in every sense of the word. I know you don't like people kissing your feet, but I have to say, I'm so happy you were at the rally. We needed some women surrogates on stage for Trump. Thank you. Where had they been the last few months? So as for R.F.K. Jr., as for Bobby, I heard he is down at Mar-a-Lago hanging out with Elon Musk, Caitlyn Jenner, Dana White, Donald Trump. That lineup is every woke liberal's worst nightmare. Tucker. Let me just tell you right now.

Yeah, Tucker Carlson. If you have purple hair and you went to Oberlin, you don't want to walk into that room. But I think tonight really my jaw has been on the floor tonight with these Kamala Harris returns because this is a referendum on the swamp, on the political Washington permanent state. They have spent the last month saying Donald Trump is a fascist. He's Hitler. If you support him, you're a Nazi.

Everybody who supports him is garbage. And guess what? It's still a competitive race. Kamala is not sweeping in a landslide, which tells us you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear with Kamala Harris. She is a very flawed candidate. And this is the death of the legacy media we're seeing right now. And we spoke about that all the time on the Kennedy campaign because we could barely get booked in the mainstream media.

Oh, my gosh. The New York Times is having a schizophrenic moment. They just moved Michigan back to the lean Trump category. They can't make up their minds about Michigan.

Nobody knows. But I mean, Michigan is not even supposed to be his strongest of the three states. They just moved the Wisconsin to lean Trump as well. That doesn't mean they're calling it for him. But now we've got that were there at 2 a.m. last night with him. But yeah, that's true. That's right. Grand Rapids, Michigan is where he where he completed his campaign. That was his last rally. So now we've got two out of the three blue wall states

leaning Trump. Oh my God, Amala. I mean, I don't want to say like, but it's starting to feel like it's going to happen. And to Link's point about the hysterics on the left and in particular at MSNBC, let's just take a little look-see into what's happening at MSNBC and how they're taking the news. Watch.

You just think about just the last two weeks and the things that Donald Trump has said into the TV that people could hear him say and do, the vulgarity in front of families with young children and the threats to do mass deportation and a violent start to his dictatorship on day one and you name it. If all of that

gets you half of the votes? 48, 49%. What does it tell you? I mean, we need to really take a step back and think about what does that say about us? What does that say about us?

Yeah, that's really the question she should be asking herself in regard to the whole Democratic Party. What does this say about us that people are showing up for Trump in this way? And we've been told for so long, you know, like Link said, he's a fascist. He's Hitler. Black people don't like him. He's offended the Puerto Ricans. The Latino vote's going to come out for us. And we're watching all of that be flipped on its head tonight. I mean, these exit polls from Latino men in particular who are coming full force for Trump, black men,

In some instances, young people in Michigan and Ohio, it's crazy to watch the narrative that we were sold by mainstream media versus what's actually happening tonight. I started off tonight so stressed. I was breaking my finger trying to refresh my ex, figuring out what's going on. And slowly but surely, I've been able to breathe a little bit and just let out flow.

Same, same. Our guest earlier was suggesting, I think it was Sean Spicer was suggesting we might be looking at 54 Senate seats. That's getting the cart before the horse. But I mean, if we're even talking about that, it's got to be a great potential night for Republicans. Go ahead, Link.

Can I just say, Joy Reid is a colorist. I think we could recommend one to her. What is going on with Joy Reid on MSNBC right now? If you need a bleach and a toner, Joy Reid, what's happening? You make seven figures a year, I'm guessing. You can't get a hairdresser on set. She definitely does.

What the hell is going on? You guys need to hire a link at the Daily Mail. You are amazing. You are amazing. This color commentary is just, yes, I can breathe a little bit. I know. Are you losing the pit in the stomach? I don't want to jinx it. I know. A little bit. It's just so wild. Also, may I just say, breaking news out of the Daily Mail.

This is how much the Bidens hate Kamala. Naomi Biden just announced her pregnancy. Oh, no way. Yeah. Shades of like Meghan Markle at Princess Beatrice's wedding. Oh, I'm just happened to be wearing a car coat that's covering a six month bump. Don't look at me. Anyway, sorry. Like, please. I'm sorry. You're great.

We also have some Daily Mail reporting. I was just going to say, Joe Biden, not at Kamala's event last night in Philadelphia. He's not going to her event tonight in D.C. Joe Biden, I think he will feel so vindicated if Kamala Harris loses tonight. He is going to be so happy and smitten that he's the only person to go down in history who ever defeated Donald Trump.

Mm hmm. Well, what do you what do you on that front? Amala, what do you think is causing this? She has not lost. He has not won. We've been surprised before. Hello, 2020. We went to bed thinking Trump had won and we woke up being told he had lost. So let's not get ahead of ourselves. But what do you think explains what we can safely say, at least, is her struggles to to win this thing tonight?

Yeah, I mean, like first things first with Kamala Harris, every time I see her speak, she lacks so much political charisma. It feels like pulling teeth to watch her speak at her alley and her try to engage with this crowd and get them to believe the things that she's saying. She spun this entire narrative about Donald Trump being a Hitler or anything.

and a threat to democracy and a fascist. But I think people, regardless of your background or how you identify, we're all experiencing the weight of what Kamala Harris's leadership has been for the past three and a half, four years. And it's not really vibing with the message that she's selling to us, that she's a new generation of leadership, that she's somehow got to turn the page, even though she's been the page for the past four years.

four years. And when you see Americans being asked questions about how they feel on the major issues, they're saying it's immigration, it's the economy. These things do not bode well for Kamala Harris, considering she's had control over these things in large part for how long. So there's only so much fear mongering you can do leading up to the election. She tries to do this fake door knocking, the fake phone calls to voters and everything just comes off as so disingenuous. So it's, I think,

experiencing the issues that America's facing, and then being met with this uncharismatic solution to them? She's dying to be inspirational, and she just isn't. She can rehearse the lines. We played that soundbite earlier when she spoke to the Philadelphia news anchor. And for those who are watching us on YouTube, she did the thing with the hands, like...

I grew up in a middle-class family, like putting the hands together. But they just circulated this. We actually cut it for today's show. We didn't get to it. Showing how she delivers the same can lines every time. And she thinks she's Oprah. Even Oprah's not Oprah anymore, Kamala. I hate to break it to you. But just look at this. To your point, it's SOT7. Do we have that from earlier today, you guys? Watch it. You talked about creating opportunity. Are you ready to make your voices heard? No, no, no. Stand by. Yeah.

So three different events for the listening audience. Do you? It's just painfully astroturf.

Yeah, it's crazy. You know, every time I hear Kamala Harris, it's almost like she thinks nobody cross-references the different times that she speaks, that as though no person is going to hear her twice. So she'll just say the same thing over and over again. She knows cameras. Exactly. When she's in front of a Latino crowd, she pulls out the accent. When she's talking to Black people, she says, we gonna do it again in 2024. It's not working anymore. I'm

promise, we see you more than once. We hear you more than once. We know what you're really like and we know what you're trying to come off as. And it almost comes off to me of like, who is the real Kamala Harris? I don't know that we've really even seen a glimmer of who she really is as a person. And that's deeply concerning. My favorite accent was the pastor accent. Joy cometh in the morning. It cometh in the morning. It's so bad. Go ahead, Link. That was a good one too.

I know she changes her accent every single day. I feel like the biggest mistake the Harris campaign made was keeping her so bubble wrapped. I mean, people forget they pushed Biden out in a coup, threw him out like the garbage, get the reference, on July 21st.

Kamala went 40 days without a sit-down interview, and then her first interview was with Tim Walz and Dana Bash on CNN in a diner. So I feel like if they had her doing press and getting to know people and showing who she was, people would feel more comfortable with her. But the fact that she hid out from the press for 40 days at a really crucial time, nobody feels like they know Kamala Harris. Will the real Kamala Harris please stand up?

For real. Just FYI, CNN is calling the Senate race in Maryland for the Democrat, not for Larry Hogan, which isn't a huge surprise, but that's at least one Senate race that's being called. I do want to, I, oh, you know what? Look at my team put this little gem together. We put this montage together about a week or 10 days ago. This is Kamala in all her many iterations. Watch. Have you no empathy, man? No, for the first,

of other people have you no sense of purpose oh goodness i love you back

and to all my HBCU brothers and sisters that was amazing but did have my favorite one which was? oh yes her Obama moment she's channeling Barack yeah

Okay, we laugh because, well, because it's funny. It's actually funny. But the problem here, Maureen, is that she never gave us something to connect to. She was faking inspirational. And it's fine not to be inspirational. I mean, not every politician is inspirational. I don't think John McCain was inspirational. George W. Bush was definitely not inspirational to anybody. But we don't know what she is. It's unclear to everyone. That's the thing.

I actually think it's unclear to her. You know, you've talked about this before. I definitely feel like I've talked about this with you. You constantly get the sense when you're watching her and listening to her that she is someone who is profoundly uncomfortable in her own skin. That's why the cackles at these inappropriate moments. That's why the wheeling out of Tim Walls everywhere, which, by the way, where has he been lately? Tim, we forgot all about him. Where has he been?

You know, I feel like they shoved him in the basement. I think I am dying to know what's going on in the room with Kamala right now. Dying. I feel like it's Hillary all over again in so many ways, including the weird accents, including the remember the pandering to like the black voters. I carry hot sauce in my handbag. That's right.

I drop my G's just like you, you cretins. So I don't want to get ahead of myself. I don't want to jinx anything. But the draft of her concession speech, Megan, I can't even bet you because I know you think the same as I do.

It will contain the words, the hopes, goals, aspirations, and ambitions of the American people. I continue to believe in those. You know, we should do our bingo card right now just in case she does have to concede. It's going to include lawn, middle class...

Ambitions people. Yeah, ambitions. Yeah, dreams for sure. Work ethic. American dream. Yeah, product of the American dream. Yeah, American dream. We are definitely getting ahead of ourselves. My mother buying a home, yes. My mother and our neighbor who helped raise us, small business. Backbone of the country.

Wait a second. The Sinaloa cartel, the Guadalajara cartel. Oh, yes. Transnational criminal organizations. I mean, look, the fact that we can do this. She sounds like she's in an episode of Breaking Bad. All right. And just before I give you the breaking news, I do have to play. Joy Cometh. Watch. Weeping may endure for a night, but dawning. Wow.

seem hard the work may seem heavy but joy cometh in the morning and church morning is on its way it's even better than i remember okay oh my wait link uh this is just breaking okay this is just this is breaking okay two things ohio senate right now with 82 reporting it's not over

Moreno plus five, Bernie Moreno plus five. Oh, wow. Yeah. Up until like six weeks ago, he was not up in the polls. Sherrod Brown, the incumbent, the Democrat was up. We had him on the show recently and he had just moved up from like minus three, minus three, minus two, minus two to plus one. And right now with 82 percent in Ohio, he's plus five. That could change. But here's the breaking news. New York Times, Nate Cohn, for the first time tonight, we consider Trump

likely to win the presidency. He has an advantage in each of the Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin states. To win, Harris would need to sweep all three. There is still a lot of vote left, but in the voting so far, Trump is narrowly but discernibly ahead. And by the way, the New York Times is, the needle is saying he's ahead in the popular vote as well. That's their projection. Link, I'm going to run, but I'll give you the last word. Wow.

Yeah, this is just like I said earlier, a referendum on the swamp, the democratic elites. A lot of these independents, they're tired of politics as usual. They're tired of the shenanigans. They're tired of being lied to. They're tired of the open borders. They're going for Trump. Sorry, Kamala. Come back again in 2028.

You know, maybe she, I would actually enjoy that. I kind of want to see some more of these soundbites. You want to go through this together? Really? I could do without it. Why not, mom? I just don't do it. Do another book tour. Okay. Avila, Link, thank you. You guys are great. All right. Coming up in one minute. Thanks for having me. Thank you, Megan. Dave Rubin will be here. But first this. I would like to issue an apology to all of those states that we have.

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back together and joining me now, Dave Rubin, host of the Rubin Report. Dave, welcome. So far, it's looking very good for Trump. Anything could happen. You hate to count chickens, but man, I feel like I can hear little tweets. Megan Joy this evening. I think it might just happen tonight. Yes, we are all thinking the exact... How'd I do there? I feel like that was pretty decent. You nailed it. Yeah. Yeah.

- Not bad, not bad. Look, we're all thinking the exact same thing and this is exactly what we've all been thinking, not just tonight since this all started, but for weeks, which is that clearly things were trending in Trump's way. We see the new alliance, we see all the disaffected,

Dems, we see this really wide tent Republican thing that so many of us have wanted for so long. But what would happen late night on election night? So we are exactly, I think, where we all kind of thought we were going to be. So I am feeling as good as you are.

And by the way, I just very quickly want to say how proud I am for what you did yesterday on stage with him. It was just so absolutely wonderful. I think it was part of both of your hero journeys and considering where you both were with each other, you know, nine years ago at that first debate. And it was just so wonderful. But I think we're at the exact moment that we all thought we were going to get to right now. And let's just hope that, you know, pipes don't burst and nothing crazy happens.

Because I think the American people have just had enough of the nonsense and we are about to reset the thing and it would be so freaking wonderful and so overdue and we can have it all back again if we can just stay on this path right now.

I mean, think about this. Okay, the New York Times electoral college estimate just updating now, suggesting Trump looking likely to hit 300 to Harris's 238. We're getting down now to about the Biden-Trump margin of victory, if that's actually where it lands. If Trump wins this, it needs to be by a healthy, sustainable,

substantial margin because I don't know, Dave, unless it's big and indisputable, I don't think the Democrats are going to go quietly into the night. I don't even know if Kamala Harris will concede. It's a tricky question given all the criticism of Trump for not doing it, but they don't want this guy to take office.

Well, look, I don't think there's any rule that they wouldn't break. I don't think there's any norm that they wouldn't gladly blow past. And God knows what shenanigans could happen over the next

couple months. But I do know that if he wins... Or a couple hours. I mean, I'm a little worried about a couple hours. Keep going. Oh, yeah, sure. Right. So let's get through a couple hours. But let's say it does continue to trend in the way it's going. So we get through the couple hours. Let's say we get an actual acceptance speech tonight and it really looks legit. I mean, we still have months and months of

of craziness ahead of us. I don't even want to think about it too much, but we really do. I mean, it doesn't get certified till the sixth. He doesn't get put into the office until the 20th of January, obviously I'm talking about in 2025. And this was always the danger. If you were gonna run around and say that your opponent was Hitler or a fascist and his supporters were

white supremacists, and neo-Nazis, and all the rest of the nonsense. What wouldn't you do to stop him? What wouldn't be legitimate to stop that movement? You know, this is the thought exercise that people have had for 50 years. Would you kill baby Hitler? It's a real thing that people, that philosophers debate and think about.

And that really is the problem right now. And it's so unfortunate because it did not have to be this way. They could have had an honest, we could have had six months or I said, well, not six months because she just got in a couple of months ago, but we could have had four months of an honest political debate in this country. The real difference between these two parties, these two people, the candidates, et cetera. And instead we got your Hitler and,

And then what it does is it puts a whole bunch of Democrats who hopefully end up on the losing side of this thing, thinking that Hitler's in charge and he's not in charge, but it's not gonna stop their craziness. And that's the real problem. - No, but her messaging from the moment she was anointed

was absolutely all over the place. She launched with the, he's a sexual predator and a criminal fraudster, and I know the type because I'm a former prosecutor. And then she was, she went underground. We didn't hear anything except her scripted canned lines that we've heard a million times. Didn't speak with the press for all of August, you know, all of that. Remember, she went like six weeks without talking to anybody in the press.

She gave like two airplane side questions to somebody. That was it. And then finally she comes out and starts talking. Things start spiraling. Obviously that was hurting her. They didn't know what to do to get momentum. And then they switched to Hitler, fascist. I mean, just the most

vile things possible. And then the last two days of the campaign, Dave, they switched with all positive. She's going to stick to her uplifting message. I mean, as if the voters have no idea what's been happening. I mean, to some extent, unfortunately, their voters do have no idea what's been happening because their voters mostly apparently watch mainstream media. And I think the other thing that's happening here tonight is we are seeing a wholesale shift

in the media landscape, people watching your show, people watching my show, whatever the guys at The Daily Wire are doing, et cetera, et cetera. That's something, and there's lefty versions of all of us, of course, that people are tuning out of the lies and the machine has lied to so many of us for so long and just way too many of us have now woke up.

Think about, to me the craziest thing that happened in this last week was that Barack Obama two days before the election, so on Sunday, goes up in Wisconsin, gives a speech and says very fine people again. This thing has been debunked into oblivion.

But he thought he could go up and lie. First off, he called it a white supremacist rally, which it wasn't. Obviously, it was a debate about statues, Robert E. Lee in this case. But then Donald Trump, we all know Donald Trump said, I'm not talking about the white supremacists or the neo-Nazis. He was talking about very fine people on both sides of the debate about whether you take down statues or not, which, of course, there are very fine people who could have opinions on that. But the fact that Obama thought he could give that speech, he knew he was lying.

There's no way Barack Obama, it would be so generous to say to him, oh, you're just not, you just didn't know what you were saying. That's absurd. So he went on stage knowing that he was gonna lie, knowing that it was gonna be debunked. I put up a 30 second video, which just had Obama saying it and then Trump's answer. Got like 100,000 retweets.

I'm not a genius, I just did it 'cause it was obvious. So he knew it was gonna be debunked obviously, yet he still lied to them. So what does that tell you? They think of their own base. They think they are A, dumb or B, brainwashed and they don't care. - Yeah, as my friend Maureen says, not this friend Maureen, but a different friend, he stinks of desperation. They stink of desperation. That's what it really shows you. They got increasingly desperate because their internal polls were showing, I'm sure, some of what we're seeing tonight

And they knew more than they were letting on. And that explains some of the mood and that explains some of the messaging because they kept shifting. And if you're winning, you're not shifting. You know, one other thing, Maureen Callahan, I wanted to ask about is the fact that she closed this campaign out with Oprah. No.

Beyonce, JLo, Cardi B, who, I mean, honestly, it was like, okay, Cardi B is the most foul mouth, four letter word loving, like raunchy, but that's fine if that's how you want to do it. But,

She leaned into the Hollywood elite. She was not with the guys in the hard hats over and over, picturing with them or taking pictures of them, talking to them, you know, connecting with them in the campaign or otherwise. And the Dems wonder why they keep shedding the working class vote, the white working class, why they're now shedding the Latino vote, the black vote, the male vote. They're not, you know...

They don't understand it. And I really I was really puzzled, particularly by the J-Lo allowing her to endorse her so publicly at her rallies. J-Lo is Diddy adjacent. Yeah. Right now. Yeah, that's right. We know this. That's right. She's in the news all the time. All the time. She's running away from reporters who ask her about this.

She's shutting them down. What is this campaign thinking? It never works. It smacks very much of Hillary as well. When we talked about the Oprah interview right after it happened and Meryl Streep and Julia Roberts, I know you're going to win. I just know you. Oh, remember she's...

Madam President Harris. Oh, whoops. Oh, me? Yes. Just the greatest actress in the world. We knew how alienating that would come across to regular people. They don't, they do this every time. They do it every time. It doesn't move the needle. In fact, it turns people off. And Oprah, I mean, how she could, I, if you watched it the way I watched it, you knew Oprah was like, this woman is full of shit. Yeah. Like, how do I,

I'm in this. I'm in it now. I'm in for a penny. I'm in for a pound, you know? But wait, here's the theory, Dave Rubin, on the Oprahs of the world, the power brokers of the left of the world and Kamala. It's that, Tucker said this to me, they're thrilled she's an empty vessel. They don't give two shits. They just want someone they can control. Of course.

They want interchangeable parts. And she's just an interchangeable part who lives in service to the system. And the reason, and by the way, if I was Kamala, I would live in service to the system because she's done nothing to deserve to be the nominee and certainly done nothing to be the president of the United States. So you would just give the system what it wants. So when you ask the question about the actors, I think you know what the answer is. The answer is actors that do this, that just go all in,

And by the way, the, what's her name? Who's the, with the bucket and the girl, Cardi B, sorry. - Cardi B. - She has a bucket and the song and the whole thing. - Yeah, it's a lovely song. - It's like, this is a, yeah, great song, great song. This is a woman.

who just weeks ago was railing against Kamala, but then clearly got some sort of call like you're gonna have to do it. Same thing as Usher. Remember Usher was on The View about two months ago saying, I'm not gonna get political and then suddenly he's on stage with her. The reason they all do it is actors and musicians and everything else for as talented as some of them might be, they're all interchangeable. Why is it that the entire cast of...

of the Avengers, every single one of them, as good of an actor as Robert Downey Jr. is or whoever you like there, Scarlett Johansson, how did they all come out on the exact same side of the political view? Well, it's because they're in service to the Hollywood system. Actors can be replaced. You might think Robert Downey Jr. is the greatest Iron Man of all time, but someone else can do it. And so because their talent is actually not that rare and very interchangeable-

They are very easily put into any system to do whatever the system wants. And I think we're seeing the end of that now, which is absolutely extraordinary. It's wonderful. It's long overdue. And hopefully more and more people will realize this is what it was for a long time. Dave Rubin, great to see you. Thanks for coming on. Good to see you, Megan.

Want to tell the audience this just in via NBC, Trump has an edge with the late breaking voters, 49 to 42. Now we're getting pretty late in the evening. It could still change, but we're getting pretty late in the evening. So we can start paying a little bit more attention to these exit polls, but still huge asterisks because they change a lot. But that's amazing to me, Maureen. That suggests, not surprisingly, but significantly,

Absolutely nothing that she said in the past week or 10 days made a difference. They did not buy Hitler.

They did not buy fascist. They did not buy he hates Puerto Ricans. They did not buy any of it. And this is why I really had this gut feeling he was going to win, because that is the messaging of a panicked candidate, a panicked campaign, a panicked party. They were constantly, especially in the real lead up to today, they were running in opposition to him. They could never define her. She could never define herself.

Even the Obamas, who know way better, yelling and hectoring at people at their own rallies. That is a room that is welcoming. They want to hear from you. They don't want to be yelled at by you. And I think they all had this sort of flaming hair panic that, like, they were in it with this loser of a candidate who,

who despite all of the legacy media fluffing her up as the next great hope, I honestly think she didn't run on her gender or on her race, not out of some sort of...

ethical or moral decision-making, I think it was purely pragmatic. They saw it didn't work for Hillary and it wasn't going to work for her. And she's certainly not somebody... Was it you or somebody else who said this, that if she were to win...

It would put women back so far. And that's such a great point. This is not the one. No. This is not the one. We can do a lot better than this. No, because all of her ineptitudes will be chalked up to her femaleness. 100%. And then the people coming up behind her will be tagged with it. We'll have to wear that around them like an albatross. Like, it's all women who sound like this or who are empty-headed or not deep thinkers. That was one of my main objections to her. We cannot...

Have this Nimrod become the next president and certainly not the first female president. Absolutely not. And the other thing that I thought was so telling about her campaign, she was running two different ads on the same major issue in Michigan. She was running sort of pro Gaza, right? Yep. And yeah,

In Pennsylvania. In Pennsylvania, it was pro-Israel. And that, to me, said everything. You can't be a two-faced candidate. Say what you want about Donald Trump. You know exactly who you're getting. That is the definition of two-faced, what she did. Yeah, yeah. By the way, now Maureen's got the martini. Doug Brunt's just stirring them up. He's shaking them and not...

Not stirring them. Doing the Lord's work. Yeah, look at that close-up of it. And pretty soon, I mean, let's wait until we have a call and then I will join you. And hopefully by that point, you'll be on your second. Don't go anywhere. I would love to. We're not giving up. We might have a call within the next couple of hours. We're going to have to check back in with Henry and find out. All right.

Maureen, thank you. Thank you. I wanted to tell you this. Okay, when my team and I were discussing the lineup of guests tonight, and they've been great. I love our guests tonight. They're so great, so fun to have all of our favorites on. Almost all. Some of our favorites are not here, but will be here tomorrow. One voice I wanted to hear from was Sean Ryan. I love Sean Ryan. You guys love Sean Ryan, don't you? Former U.S. Navy SEAL. He came on this show over Memorial Day. Then I went on his show for three hours. Such a deep conversation.

this lovely man. And he wanted to join the show, but had something going on. So he sent along this, actually, I think he goes to bed at eight o'clock. Like literally, I think he said he goes to bed at eight o'clock. He's going to have a lot to wake up to. But he sent along this exclusive election day message to all of you. So watch it. It's here. Election night 2024. What many consider to be

the most toxic, divisive, yet most important presidential election of our entire lifetime. And I tend to agree. Each side thinks that if the other side wins, that it will be the end of the world as we know it. But the U.S. is like a massive ship, the most powerful, biggest ship in the entire world. And a big ship doesn't turn on a dime. It turns in increments.

And somebody at the end of tonight is gonna take that wheel. Now, even though nobody's been on that wheel for the past four years, somebody's gonna take it. And life is going to go on no matter who that is. And everybody wants to know, how do we get this country on the right track? Well, I'm gonna tell you three things that I think are most important, most influential, and that's gonna steer this ship by increments that will last forever. First being...

you need to stay true to your word. Now, what does that mean? That means that if you don't like the way a store is catering to kids, that means you actually have to sacrifice your time and your money and go the extra five minutes down the road to the store that does have your values and does carry your beliefs. If you're banking at a bank that sold all your information to the federal government and you don't think that was good for your privacy,

That means you need to switch banks. And when you switch, you tell them why you switched. Number two, we're going to have to open up the conversation. As Americans, we don't agree on much anymore. And the conversation has been extremely divisive if we've even had the conversation at all.

but I still think there are a lot of commonalities that we share. And we need to find those commonalities and start the discussion there to build the relationship to have the harder discussions down the road that are gonna really change things. And number three, parents, leaders of the future generation, you are your kids' biggest impact.

It means you need to lead by example, and you also need to take the time to monitor what your kids are watching on the phone, what they're watching on TV, what they're taught in schools, and just be a good influence for them. Life's gonna go on. It's up to us.

Sean Ryan. Oh, we got to get him back on now after we get results tonight, the official results. Thank you, Sean, so much for that video. Rich and Charlie are back with me. And also joining me, Tom Bevin and Sean Trendy from Real Care Politics. Guys, this just in, you may have seen Fox News has now called the Ohio Senate race for Bernie Moreno, that he will unseat incumbent Democrat

Democratic Senator Sherrod Sherrod Brown. This is an important flip for the Republicans. It sure is. Wow. Tom Bevin, Bernie Moreno takes the seat in Ohio, which is not one of the ones the Republicans were banking on. Those were in West Virginia and Montana.

No, but this was definitely a race that Republicans had their eye on because they knew Trump was going to perform well in the state. And there hasn't been a lot of ticket splitting at the national level over the last two cycles. And so, you know, Sherrod Brown got a great reputation in the state, well-known, all of that. But at the end of the day, you saw, I think the last four polls that were in our average had Bernie Moreno leading. He sort of surged through the tape at the end of this race as Republican voters came home to him and

And so, yeah, it was a tough environment for Sherrod Brown and one he just couldn't overcome.

I feel like your affect does not match the news. I mean, this is like... The Republicans are... I just asked my team, have they called West Virginia? They called West Virginia, right? Okay. How about Montana? Has she officially... Not yet. That would be a shock if you lost. Okay, that's only because maybe the lateness of the hour, because they're mountain time. And then there's Nebraska, which is a weird one. There's Nebraska, and...

What else? I'm forgetting one. Pennsylvania. Well, and Wisconsin and Michigan. Right. I mean, like, this is getting a little crazy. That's where you can look up those states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. That's where you run up the margin. So a month ago, Ohio seemed a little bit of a stretch, you know, doable, but a little bit of a stretch. But it steadily come online in recent weeks and seemed more likely. So now they're at...

50, 52, and they could go 53, 54, 55 if the blue wall is falling Trump's way. And with a margin big enough so far, it's been looking as though the Senate candidates are underperforming Trump a little bit. So you need Trump to win by more than a hair in those places. Charlie, what were you saying about why you think it's important to win the Senate by a lot? Well, because I think that

There's going to be a backlash against whoever wins this election. And there usually is anyway, but I think particularly given the two candidates. And I think if you want to get as many Senate seats as you can, have six year timeframe so that if the country goes the other way in four years, then you create some stability. You still have control of the Senate, even though maybe not by the same margin. Right. Or at least your losses aren't so great that you give the other side a mandate. Uh,

I'm a huge Congress guy, as you know, Megan. I don't like executive power. I like to see some sort of stability in Congress and I like the filibuster. Having come from England, it makes sense. Rebel. Rebel against your queen. You're king. Okay, so...

I'm just trying to figure out what's happening here. Montana Senate here. Okay, yeah, they called West Virginia for the Republican as expected. Montana Senate, 6% of the vote in. Okay, so it's too early to call right now. Sheehy's 55.9, Tester's 42.4. This will wind up going for Sheehy, we think, Sean. But let me ask you about your reaction to where we are so far. I mean,

I don't know. I didn't expect to be quite this far along toward potential good news for Trump at 11:16 p.m. But are you seeing anything in the county by county analysis in the blue wall states that would give Kamala Harris some strong hope? You know, I think the best hope she has is that a lot of Philadelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee are still outstanding. And so there are some very deep blue areas of those states. But there's also a lot of rural. I mean, I got to be honest.

The fat lady isn't singing, but she's warming up. This is starting to look really, really grim for Harris. And it's I think the reason that Tom had such a flat affect about Sherrod Brown likely losing is that we're we're to the point now where we're really talking about these other three Senate races. As you said, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. I think it would Democrats will be extremely lucky if they hold all three of those and very well may lose all lose all three.

Wow. I mean, that would be just absolutely stunning. It's Nebraska. They're now reporting Axios' Alex Thompson as follows. Harris campaign manager sends an email to all staff, quote, while we continue to see data trickle in from the Sunbelt states, we have known all along that our clearest path to 270 electoral votes lies through the blue wall states, and we feel good about what we're seeing. I mean, it's not exactly a

A ringing endorsement of the results they've seen so far, Tom. But she's also not wrong. She or he, I'm not sure which one actually put that out. But they're not wrong that if somehow she can hold on to those three states, she's going to win. She will still win this night.

yeah i mean look it's it's technically still possible but as sean points out it's getting more and more sort of looking like she needs an inside straight i mean she's down she's down over three points in pennsylvania with 76 percent of the vote in so you know she's down in wisconsin by i think over two points two point fifty thousand with almost two-thirds of the

Yeah, with two thirds of the vote in there. So it's getting to the point where it's looking less and less likely that she will get that inside straight. And then you see these numbers at the Senate level as well. Look, Republicans, we always kind of knew that despite both campaigns saying that they were

poised to have a great night. This is how these elections go. Like one side gets the better of it and they end up winning a lot of these close battleground states. They win a lot of the close House races. They win a lot of these close Senate races. They don't, these races don't split 50-50. And that's what we're seeing. Republicans are having the better night.

Trump is overperforming in a lot of the Sun Belt, and as a result, he's dragging a lot of these candidates, Republican candidates. He's given them a lift, and they're winning a lot of these races, or at least they're in position to win a lot of these races. And as Sean mentions, I think our final projection, our final Senate map, I should say, was at GOP plus three.

that's looking likely and it could even be a higher number than that when all is said and done. How about, yeah, go ahead, Griff. So she really has to do a 2016. So she may not lose the popular vote, but basically tie the popular vote. And where's that phrase inside straight from, right? That's what Trump did in 16. So she's going to have to do the same thing in the blue wall state, narrowly win each of them. And

It may be... This may be too early to say this, but it may be that the race gets into a zombie state at some point here, where it seems like Trump is ahead, and all the blue walls, the New York Times, Needles, and others are giving the advantage, but the count slows down as the night goes on, and we're just sort of suspended animation where he's...

it looks very likely is on the cusp, but we don't quite tip over. Right, because there's still outstanding vote, mail ballots that they have to count given what's, you know, they will discard the mail ballot counting as unnecessary to make a projection if they can get the margin of victory for Trump or Kamala to the point where they're unnecessary. I've seen that happen many times

at Fox. Hold on a second. NBC just reporting in an ominous development for Democrats, the share of voters identifying with their party hit the lowest mark this century. Dems, 32% down from 37 in 2020. Independents, 34 up from 26% in 2020. Republicans, 34% down from 36% in 2020. Look back to that in one second. Sean, oh, did we lose Sean? Can you hear me? Did we lost? Oh, we lost.

I'm here. No, he can hear me. Sean, what do we know about the House races? Because that was the body that the Democrats were most likely to take control of. How are they looking?

You know, it's kind of fascinating. They are looking very status quo right now. There haven't been many flips. I don't even know if there have been any so far. So I'd say the safest bet right now is a slight Republican majority, but there are a lot of House races that are very, very close. House races tend to lag for a variety of reasons, so that'll probably be the last one that we have a firm answer to.

Okay. All right, guys. Thank you both so much. Great to see you, Sean. You as well, Tom. Appreciate it. What do you make of that, guys? An ominous development again from NBC. Share of voters identifying where their party hit the lowest mark this century. And to what do we owe that? Well, so I said this on your show a few weeks ago. The phenomenon culturally that is Donald Trump

and the media's dominance of the narrative have hidden the fact that the Democratic Party is crazy. I offer many criticisms of the right week in, week out, but the Democratic Party is crazy. And they have adopted crazy positions, not just on issues that conservatives such as myself would oppose, but that people, when they learn about them, just recoil from. For example...

surgeries on children, men in women's sports. There was a piece, I think it was in Semaphore, I can't remember where it was, but it said that Republican strategists had learned that they had to tone down the critiques that they made of Democrats in election cycles because if they didn't, people didn't think they were true. Did you read that? In other words, the Democratic Party has become so crazy that the average voter who is primed to

be persuadable, just couldn't grasp that they weren't being lied to when they were told verbatim the positions. Stand by, Charlie. Did this just end? The AP calls North Carolina for Trump.

So that's an official call. North Carolina now officially in the Trump camp. I mean, it's happening. State after state, it is starting to happen. And we're not getting any callbacks and we're not getting any competing data in her favor. We're not seeing the signs of slowdown. This could change that we've seen in the past. Stand by, guys. Back with me now, Mark Halperin and Dan Turrentine. I'll start with you on this one, Dan.

Are we? Are we seeing any of the signs of like, hold on, maybe not. Blue wall? Nope. People are starting to text. They're going to bed. They are moving from wine to, you know, hard alcohol at this point. I mean, in all...

In all seriousness, there isn't. And I think now you're starting to see texts and messages about how big is the Senate majority for the GOP is going to be. I think one of your guests just said, you know, perhaps 52, 53. I think it may even get to 55 and 56 is not out of the realm of possibility. And it's hard to see if Trump

If the night looks turns out the way it looks like, which is Trump is going to have an extremely good night when the popular vote, they pick up all these Senate seats. It is hard to see Democrats holding the House. Not impossible, but it's hard. And there's going to be a lot of soul searching in the party. And I think as you guys were talking about, you know, just a minute ago,

One of the things the party's going to have to wrestle with is the animating principle the last five years has been denying Trump office. It's why Joe Biden said he ran in 2020. He was disgusted with Trump. It was why he ran again, because he thought he was the only one who could beat him. And, you know, Harris really settled the last three weeks on just why you should hate Trump.

And that clearly didn't work. And Trump has grown stronger on policy appeal. And the party has to come to grips with it and figure out its own appeal to voters.

Well, that's a very interesting point. So does that mean, before I go to Mark, in your view, if Trump wins this with that kind of a Senate and possibly controlling the House, that the Democrats will stop with the lawfare and the constant attacking of him as this Hitler-esque figure because they'll receive the message that the electorate doesn't want to hear that and doesn't buy that? Yeah, I mean, look, absolutely. I mean, just in the last few weeks on our own show,

Young women who are pro-choice coming on in groups, not just by chance, not because we had a plan that day. I'm for Trump because of other issues. Black men coming on. I am for Trump for other issues.

It's it's this like, let me scare the Jesus out of you over how awful, you know, he's a racist. He's a misogynist. All of this. And yet people are attracted to Trump because of the economy or his views on immigration or his. But do you think you really think the Democrats can reel it in? I feel like it's it's too important to them to stop saying it.

If you want to win, you will. And look, there will be some. We are a big party that will say we need to double down on that. And I think there will be others who will. Yes, yes. And there will be others who will see that the path that is a just recipe for disaster. OK, Mark, let me bring you in your reaction to what we're seeing so far. Well, the Democratic Party will blame Joe Biden first and Kamala Harris second.

and there's no reason to think they'll do any soul searching there's almost no one in the party who's been the least bit outspoken about the uh dynamics that have led up to this the attempts to eliminate donald trump rather than appeal to his supporters the failure to stop the party from moving to the hard left the failure to be honest about joe biden's mental capacities going back to 2017

the failures to find a way to effectively stop Kamala Harris from being the nominee without any fight. And I think most profoundly, the failure to see that the party is on so many issues out of step with the country while they accuse Donald Trump of solely appealing to the quote unquote extreme mega base when immigration, inflation, the forever wars, some of the cultural issues are not about the extreme mega base. They're about 70% plus of the country.

What are we seeing so far about the reasons this is happening, Mark? Have you seen that? And do you believe what you read at this point in the exit polls? Because the voters will tell us why they're voting the way they are. Yeah.

I don't like treating the exit polls like the Rosetta Stone because I used to work on the exit polls and I know that they're not that. But directionally, all the things that Donald Trump and his team said they would do, appeal to young voters, Hispanic voters, young black men, independent voters, I suspect eventually we'll see labor households, all that is part of why he won.

And I think the transformation, the realignment of this election, if the exit polls are even close to correct, is much more profound than what happened in 2016 when he turned the Republican Party into the party of the white working class. Now it's the party of the white working class, black working class, Hispanic working class, young voters.

Independence, that's a big realignment. And there's no one in the Democratic Party who's close to the generational talent of Barack Obama or Bill Clinton, the two people who found a way to reimagine the Democratic Party to deal with the Republican strength. And if he does win the popular vote, and he may,

It's going to be both symbolically and substantively significant in a way that, again, a talent like a Bill Clinton or Barack Obama could grapple with. I don't see its soul in the Democratic Party. And the first thing they'd have to do is stand up to the far left. And the far left calls the shots in the Democratic Party, which is a big reason why they found themselves where they are right now. It'll also be the greatest political comeback of all time. The greatest political comeback of all time. Yeah.

Right. I mean, everybody agrees on that. Getting shot along the way. Yeah. My God. Sean, to Mark's point, some of the exit poll data showing that men under 30, they're tied. They're tied. Harris and Trump, 48 and 47. But that's good. That's good for Trump because people under 30 tend to vote Democrat.

But the fact that Trump's keeping it tied is to his credit. And she's crushing him with women under 30. She's got 62 percent. He's got 36 percent. But she's not doing much better than Biden did. They're about the same. So in other words, she pulled Biden's same margins with young women. And she is doing worse with young men than Biden was. Biden won this group by 11 points. She's tied with Trump. The the men across the board.

did show up. That's what we're seeing. And the rise of the women, you know, the girl power, they're running. It's not not being reflected in these numbers.

Yeah, look, here's a couple of things that I think are going to be interesting. In 2016, when we partnered, the RNC partnered with the Trump campaign, the media derided it and said, well, no one's ever operated like this before. This can't possibly work. We pulled out a winning coalition. This time, everyone said the Trump campaign outsourced its ground game. There's no way this can work. We're seeing, as you just pointed out, the key coalitions, the key constituencies showed up and turned out.

Right? Look at this. Just as a side note, I know you talked about this earlier in the show, but you're seeing this throughout New Hampshire. She's at 51%. Rhode Island, 53%. I talked about that earlier. Virginia, 50% to 48%. She's underperforming everywhere. But I think you touched on this earlier, Megan. I just want people to understand where we've been misled.

The Iowa poll came out the other day saying that Kamala Harris was up three. And every left-wing legacy outlet put them on as if it was gospel truth and this massive trend. Do you know what? Trump is up right now 12 points. He's outperforming where he did in 2020. He was at plus eight then. He's at plus 12 right now with 80% in Iowa. Emerson got it. The readers...

The people who bought into that poll owe the American people an apology. The methodology didn't look good from the jump, but the media was so into hating Donald Trump that they were willing to buy anything. That was as much misinformation as we talk about. They love to talk about this being spread. We're going to be talking about this. I know there's a lot of stuff on the left that we can talk about where that campaign went wrong, but the media has another big, big issue.

need to look at itself and how it covers elections and how it covers the right. Yeah, and by the way, we're going to see, I think, a good sized Senate majority. By the way, Sean Davis of The Federalist, I think, yeah, he just tweeted out, Puerto Rico just elected a Republican governor. Everyone who told you a comedian's joke was going to tip the presidential election as a liar who thinks you're stupid. Bookmark every person who hyperventilated about that and vowed to ignore them forever.

It's funny. I mean, I said on the show, I thought the whole thing was too bro-tastic, which I stand by, but that I wasn't offended by that guy's joke. I do think, you know, look,

Trump did not behave perfectly over the last week. It wasn't his problem so much at that rally as it was those around him. But Trump was his normal self. However, what we're seeing, as with so much with Trump, is it didn't hurt him. People, their opinions of him are already baked. That cake's been in the oven and it's already nice and tasty. So what's going to happen, Dan? If Trump wins this and the Republicans have 55 Senate seats and take the House,

What does the left start saying? What are we going to hear on MSNBC? Well, I think, and you've already heard a little bit of this in the last few weeks when Bernie Sanders went public, that he was a little upset that Harris was spending time with Liz Cheney. And he argued that

What Harris needed to be doing was focusing on working class voters. And I think you're going to hear part of the left say that part of the Democratic base has left for Donald Trump. Mark alluded to it, this realignment, people of color in the working class are now in Trump's camp and that the party was not left enough.

And you will have people like AOC and others who are thinking about the president who are going to come out and say that Harris has moved to the middle, her willingness to not take a stand. You know, even on the trans rights issues and this issue of the surgeries, you know, there were Democrats who were like, "She needs to come out and proudly plant the flag," right? And she said kind of nothing, like, "I'll just enforce the law," and she tried to kind of have it both ways.

So I think the left, there will definitely be a segment that said that she was not proudly progressive enough. And that is why the base of the party has left for Trump. I don't agree with that, but that's what- Yes, I mean, given the amount of millions that Trump spent on those NFL ads-

I mean, he heard her, for sure. Those ads hurt her. And the great thing about those ads was they were 100% true. She did exactly what they said she did. Then she later said, oh, well, Trump did it too. I mean, we did a deep fact check on that. The readers know, or the listeners know, I'm very, very onto this subject.

But what happened was Barack Obama changed the prison policy to require that taxpayers pay for sex change operations and procedures. Trump got in there and his administration said, "What?" and tried to limit the existing policy while they challenged it in court. No one received such a surgery under Trump. One guy who murdered two people by tying them to an anchor and throwing them overboard of their boat.

who was in California prison awaiting the death penalty, I think, got the surgery after Trump left office. And she tried to say, he did it too. He did it too. Meanwhile, she actively worked to change the policy in California to provide these taxpayer-funded sex change operations. She did it. That's why she couldn't effectively deny it. And people can smell it. You know, when you tell a lie, when you try to dodge, when you try to do a, he did it too, without being straight, they can smell it.

Guys from Two Way, thank you all very much. So interesting. See you guys later.

You guys stand by one second because we're going to bring in our legal panel to dive into what the next few months are going to look like. You guys know these guys very well. George's own Phil Holloway, host of Inside the Law, his YouTube show. Dave Ehrenberg, state attorney for Palm Beach County, Florida, where Mar-a-Lago is located. And Mike Davis, founder and president of the Article 3 Project. What a night, guys. Thank you all so much for being here. Can I just ask you before we get to the lawfare and what's going to happen next?

Mike, I mean, there's you'd be hard pressed to find somebody who's a bigger booster and more loyal to the president than you. What what's your reaction to what we're seeing so far? I would say that it's going to be a very good night for President Trump. He's got the dark MAGA cap on everybody. Go ahead.

I think President Trump's going to win pretty handily. He may sweep all the swing states. We've already won the Senate for Republicans. It's a very, very good night. Dave, how are you feeling? We're not feeling great right now, but...

I'm not willing to throw in the towel yet. There's still results coming in the cities where the Democrats really are counting on Milwaukee and Detroit and Philadelphia. So as long as the vote has not come in yet for those cities, then there's still the chance that the blue wall will hold. That is, has always been the main path to victory for the Democrats. That's the memo also from Jen Dillon, the chair for the Kamala Harris campaign that is still holding on to the blue wall. We shall see. Uh,

But right now, I mean, it's not one yet. Correct. Correct. And that's why there's still time. It's not over yet. We're not throwing in the towel. There's a lot of of hand wringing and bedwetting. But that's what we Democrats do. So we'll see as the votes are counted. Phil, while we were all focused on the electoral map, we got some news on our old pal Fannie Willis. Seems the voters down in Atlanta are not done with her yet.

No, and look, this is Fulton County after all, and it looks like Trump only took about 27-ish percent of the vote. And of course, she being a Democrat, it just makes common sense that she's going to sort of ride this blue wave that's

forever and ever going to exist in Fulton County. I'm just glad that our state in Georgia appears to have not become a national embarrassment because we had some questions about whether another metro Atlanta County and Gwinnett County might have some voting irregularities or at least some issues with how those machines counted the ballots in Gwinnett County. But it looks like we've dodged perhaps a national embarrassment bullet on that one.

Hmm. Okay. So let's talk about lawfare, guys, because I think we all know that really, regardless of who wins, there's going to be lawfare after the fact. Do we think that? I mean, I think we think that. Don't we think that? Depends who wins. Does it? I don't know if that's true. Lawfare.

Go ahead, Phil. Well, I do think as far as Trump is concerned, that no matter what happens, he has that sentencing in New York on November, I think it's 17th, that's coming up. And that's going to be very interesting. We'll get to that in a second. We'll get to the criminal case against Trump in one second. I'm talking about the lawfare around this election. I feel like it's going to come either way. The reason I think that is I think if he wins, they're going to be calling him an insurrectionist again, trying to get him not to

installed, trying to get the vote not certified, maybe trying to push faithless electors. I think all of that's coming our way. Do you think Jamie Raskin is going to roll over and just accept Donald Trump's victory? Do you think that, Dave?

I do, actually. Yes, yes. Democrats could grumble. But no, I don't think that they're going to try to do an insurrection or do alternate electors or any of the things that happened four years ago. No, Democrats, they can grumble, but they don't play the same game. So no, I don't think that's going to happen. All right. How about you, Mike Davis? What do you think?

Well, it depends on how much President Trump wins by tonight. And it also depends on whether Republicans keep the House of Representatives. You know, look, they tried to bankrupt Trump. They tried to throw him in prison for the rest of his life for non-crimes. They're still trying to do that with that sentencing hearing in front of Judge Mershon in Manhattan on, I think it's November 26th. They've tried to take him off the ballot and they underfunded

His Secret Service protection. So they're they've tried to take off his head. That all didn't work. The American people, it looks like, have put President Trump back in the White House. And as you said, Megan, that Jimmy Raskin seems pretty determined to try to block that on January 6th.

I would not bet that that guy is going to go quietly into the night if Trump wins this. I just I'd be shocked. I know that they have said we hate election deniers. We hate everything that Trump did, but they hate Trump more than the charge of hypocrisy. So that's what I think. I think they will fight. They'll fight legally. But now if Kamala Harris manages to eke this out and we do need to discuss this.

if she does somehow manage to win these blue wall states, you guys, and it happens with the mail-in ballots late in the game, the way we saw in 2020, Mike, you tell me what's going to happen. Look, I think that president, if you look at the way the president, president Trump is trending with this election, I think he's going to win.

BEYOND THAT MARGIN. I THINK HE'S GOING TO WIN COMFORTABLY IN THESE KEY SWING STATES. HE MAY WIN ALL SEVEN OF THESE SWING STATES. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST -- I DON'T SEE A SCENARIO WHERE THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEND IN THESE LATE MAIL BALLOTS AND TAKE THIS ELECTION FOR KAMALA HARRIS. IF HE WINS,

There will be the question either way, wins or loses, what happens to the lawfare against him? And I'll come to you in one second, Phil, and we'll talk about Atlanta. But let me start with Dave, who wanted to talk about the sentencing. Trump is scheduled at some point to go be sentenced for the conviction that was brought against him, that was achieved against him.

But there is motion practice still pending on whether that trial needs to be redone because they introduced evidence against him in the course of it that involved his time in the Oval Office and in the wake of the Supreme Court ruling that you can't introduce evidence like that against a president, a former president. They may be in a real pickle on whether they can proceed to sentencing. So, Dave, what happens if he let's start with if he wins, what happens?

If he wins, he's going to have to still show up at the sentencing. That's going to be must-see TV. If only they had cameras in the courtroom in New York. They really should change that. And then he'll get sentenced by Judge Mershon. I don't know which way Judge Mershon is going to go. I know Mike and I had differed on that, which way they're going to go. I don't know. But I can tell you that if he wins, then he will not serve any sentence in New York. They'll postpone it. They'll stay it until after he's out of office. And then who knows what could happen four years later.

So, and as far as the other cases, he will order his attorney general to drop the case in Washington, D.C., as well as the case that is in the 11th Circuit, the Mar-a-Lago Documents case. And then you're left with the Fannie Willis case in Phil's area. And that one, I think, is right now is hitting nowhere. Wait, before we get to that, Dave, before we get to that, will the DOJ comply if a newly reelected President Trump orders them to drop the two prosecutions?

Well, it'll be his own DOJ. He's going to appoint an attorney general. I know. Like Cash Patel or someone. Or Mike Davis. Mike Davis will be AG. I'm rooting for Mike Davis. I don't want to get ahead of myself. I'm hoping Mike Davis too. Yeah, see?

Go ahead, Mike. Because that's the only way I'll stay out of Gwitmo. As you guys all know, I'm too charming to get confirmed, and so I have 0% chance of ever being Trump's attorney general. But I will say this. Look, President Trump's either going back to the White House or he's going to Rikers Island. And I think the American people are going to determine that tonight.

Okay, Phil. So Fannie Willis has not given this whole thing up. We had the judge who refused to DQ her and it's being appealed and it's not yet resolved. So what's going to happen with the case in Atlanta?

Well, so next month in December, there's oral argument before the Georgia Court of Appeals on the very issue of whether or not she, Fannie Willis, should be disqualified from further prosecution in this case. And look, the judges who are on that panel all come from pretty red areas of the state of Georgia.

Not saying that politics creeps into the judicial system, but hey, sometimes it might. And I think particularly that if he wins this election, it looks like he will tonight. I think that the Court of Appeals in Georgia is just going to have all the more reason to go ahead and disqualify Willis. And if that happens,

This becomes an indictment without a prosecutor because the Georgia, they have a state agency called the Prosecuting Attorneys Council. They would be tasked with potentially assigning it to another prosecutor and no other prosecutor in their right mind in the state of Georgia is going to want to pick up the mantle and try to carry this prosecution across the finish line. They would have to start over from the very beginning probably anyway to clean up the mess

On the other hand, if I'm wrong and she's not recused from the case or dismissed from the case, I think that it's stayed pretty much indefinitely. I don't think the trial judge is going to want to proceed with any kind of active litigation against a potential sitting president of the United States. So one way or another, I am convinced that the Georgia case is dead in the water.

I'm convinced of that too. Dave, if he does lose and the audience should be reminded, it is still possible. We don't have a call in one of those three blue wall States. And if she wins them all, he, she,

he's she's going to be the next president. So if he loses, what what happens with the New York case? That one did proceed to verdict. If the judge says, I'm not worried about that evidence we let in, I don't think that it would have affected the verdict. And I'm going to go ahead and proceed with sentencing. Then what happens?

Yeah, then he'll sentence them and then he'll go on appeal on the grounds you just said. And then I suspect an appellate court may rule that it's harmless error or they may reverse it and send it back. I think it's probably harmless error. And then Trump will get sentenced in New York and he'll have to

go through with the sentence. He can only have so many delays. And then he'll also be put on trial in Washington, D.C. That's the next one to go, the election interference case. And then the 11th Circuit at some point soon is going to, I think, overturn Judge Cannon and reinstate

the Mar-a-Lago documents case. I do agree with Phil. I think that the case in Atlanta is a non-starter. I don't see any end to that one or that that one will go to trial. So I think Trump's facing serious legal liability in those three cases, including potential incarceration.

You, Phil, you're shaking your head no on the 11th Circuit reversing. Just to keep the audience up to speed, we were talking about the Mar-a-Lago documents case where Trump took all those documents and then didn't give them over to the feds when they were demanded. And then the FBI raided his house. And the judge in that case threw out the case saying Jack Smith, a special prosecutor, had not been properly appointed, that it could have been cured if they had just gone to a sitting U.S. attorney and said, would you please bring these charges? But they didn't. They really wanted to stick with Jack Smith.

So you were shaking your head no when Dave was saying he thinks that that ruling by Judge Aileen Cannon will be reversed by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.

Yeah, I would have to respectfully disagree with my friend, because I think the 11th Circuit, it's not carved in stone that they would reinstate the documents case. I think the argument that Jack Smith was illegally appointed is a pretty good argument. And let's remember, Donald Trump, if he wins, he can, of course, pardon himself. But regardless of whether that happens, if let's say the 11th Circuit does reinstate

do the opposite of what I'm saying, that could be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. And I think they have every incentive and every reason to take that case from the 11th Circuit and to rule on that issue. They've already dropped some hints, at least some of the justices have, that perhaps the appointment of Smith was an unlawful appointment. So I just don't see the document case being revived by the 11th Circuit. And if it is,

If I'm wrong, I think it's going to be quite some time before that case would ever get back to the trial. All right. Last but not least, Mike, if Trump wins tonight, we're going to hear a lot on the left about Trump threatened to go after this one and Trump threatened to go after that one. And I literally heard Michael Cohen on MSNBC this week saying he's going to leave the country. He's getting a passport with a different name.

He recommended that the MSNBC anchors do the same. So you tell me what he actually is likely to do with his Department of Justice. Do you think he will order the prosecution of his enemies as was done to him? I don't think he's going to order a political prosecution for non-crimes like the Biden-Harris Justice Department and their allies.

in New York and Atlanta have done to him and his top aides, Steve Bannon, who went to prison, Peter Navarro, who went to prison, his supporters on January 6th, who were persecuted under the Supreme Court's Fisher decision, parents outraged by gender chaos in schools and the resulting rapes in bathrooms. They sent the FBI after them. I mean, it's...

Christians praying at abortion clinics while they give amnesty to Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and every scumbag Biden, BLM, Antifa, Hamas, trans-terrorist, abortion industry activists. I mean, you're not going to see that during the Trump administration like the Biden-Harris administration has done to Trump. Mm-hmm.

Guys, we should know soon. We think we're going to know soon. Thank you all. Thanks for everything on this lawfare. I'm not done with you yet. I mean, we're definitely going to be talking about lawfare again, but you guys have been just stellar. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Okay. Up next, Buck Sexton, and we're also getting some exit poll data on the trans issue and the role it played. But first this.

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Okay. Our on-set guests are all back with us. Rich Lowry, Charles C.W. Cook, and Maureen Callahan, and Buck Sexton is with us as well, co-host of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Buck, welcome. Great to see you. Just want to let the audience know where things stand now. Pretty much everyone is called North Carolina for President Trump, but it's the only state that

That has been officially called the latest on the Georgia presidential race via NBC is 92 percent of the vote is in. Trump is leading 50.8 to Harris's 48.3. Let's see. Fox reports that Republicans have taken control of the Senate. Incumbent Republican Senator Deb Fischer wins in Nebraska. Wow. Oh, wow. And let's see if I'm getting it all right.

Now, one other thing, Buck Sexton, and that is Scott Pressler. Hold on a second.

who I don't think anybody has done more to get out the vote in Pennsylvania for Trump than Scott Pressler. He moved to Pennsylvania. He's been like a one man get out the vote machine. He's been registered. He's the guy who got that million vote difference advantage to the Democrats shrunk down to 300,000. And we had him on the show. He's an impressive guy. And he just tweeted out the following few things. President Trump won more votes out of Lancaster County than

Then in 2020, the Amish delivered. Go Amish! Witness! President Trump received more votes in Butler County where he took a bullet for us than in 2020. Scott writes, I'm shaking. Don't know what to say. Wow. Oh, that's really sweet. He works so hard. Your reaction, Buck, to this just torrent of good news so far for Trump?

It looks like a great night for America and a bad night for communism. I'm absolutely thrilled. This is what the Democrats richly deserve, and I would say that. I'm usually one for good sportsmanship and consideration for a battle well fought. When they spend the last few days of a campaign saying openly that Trump and his supporters are Nazis, I feel no grace. I feel no sense of

sadness at the sadness that they are feeling or empathy at the sadness that they are feeling. They ran a candidate who's an utter fraud. She's also a disgraceful person for her attempted character assassination of Brett Kavanaugh during his confirmation hearings. I could go on at length just about that.

She's an abomination of a candidate. She tried to lie to the American people. She tried to hide from the American people. And it looks like, and maybe tomorrow I'll have to eat my words, but whatever, I won't care. It looks like the American people saw through it and have done the right thing. And I haven't even gotten to what a great campaign I think Trump did run.

the most iconic political moment of any of our lifetimes, a president taking a bullet grazing the side of his head and not just continuing on with his campaign, continuing with public appearances afterwards, but yelling fight, fight, fight in the moment to his crowd. None of us have ever seen anything like that and none of us, I think, ever will again. And

this was just a very clear choice between the return to four years of Trump policies and leadership or

I'm not even sure what we could say Kamala Harris would have done or would do if she were to win. I think it's a very remote possibility now. She ran away from everything that she had ever stood for in adult life. She did so in about a 90-day period when it suited her, and she did so after pretending that her chief partner and the commander-in-chief

didn't have dementia, which she clearly knew. So, you know, they haven't started the tears over at MSNBC, Megan, when I'm not checking in on your livestream. I've got a few different TVs here running, and I'll see what's going on there. But when they start crying, I will start laughing because they deserve it. The media went hysterical against Trump. Everything that they said about him in these final weeks as their primary methods of attack was, I think, just completely insane, unhinged, and beyond the pale.

And here we are. Also, by the way, all these Republican senators so have had different, have had them all on at different points. You know, Bernie Marino is a great guy. I'm not sure. I think Hovde is,

I saw something like he was separated by six votes at one point. It's like the closest Senate race anybody's seen since Al Franken, you know, some years ago in Minnesota. So it's looking really good for Republicans in the Senate. And I'm just I'm very happy. It feels like this is balance restored. It feels like this is a reckoning on so many levels. So.

Let's just hope that I don't wake up tomorrow and find out that the magic ballots arrived in Detroit. I know. I know. We all have to be cautious because we've been burned before. Want to share this. Brett Baer reporting that he spoke to three separate sources close to the Harris, close to Harris and the campaign. One said, quote,

I think we're losing this." Other two admit path is very thin. Trump has more votes in counties in Pennsylvania where he should be losing by a bigger margin. I mean, that's exactly it. That's exactly how the decision desk will look.

at the outstanding vote to see is he ahead by margins that could give him the padding he needs to win? Or is there still enough outstanding vote that could go her way to swing the state? And it doesn't sound like they feel confident about it. Let me ask you something on your analysis, Buck. Do you think there's anything she could have done differently that would have changed the results we're seeing?

No, I actually don't. I think that I was one of the people who all along was insistent and I was wrong and unfortunately had to buy my good friend and co-host Clay the most expensive steak I think in the continental United States. I saw that. It had firecrackers in it.

Firecrackers, a gold case, the whole thing. So Clay got his fancy steak. I thought that they would still run Biden, quite honestly. And it wasn't because I wasn't fully aware of the cognitive decline, as I think all of your guests, you, I mean, everyone, we're all aware of what's happened to Joe Biden in recent years. It was bad and continued to get worse as age-related decline does. But

but kamala is a horrible candidate i mean truly democrats recognize this in 2020 she didn't become a different person because the circumstances of the election suddenly uh indicated that it would be more advantageous for them if they didn't have joe biden as the nominee um so kamala harris was rejected resoundingly by the democrats in their own primary in 2020 right it's one thing for republicans to really dislike a candidate i mean i know so many people who will say you know i i

I hated Barack Obama. I thought he was terrible. Yeah, but he was really effective at winning the presidency, right? I mean, he was a once in a generation- That's the one thing he was really good at.

Right. I mean, exactly. Getting elected. As a Democrat, he was really good at that, at running campaigns and as getting elected. Kamala is quite obviously bad at this. And people would say, well, she was a senator, you know, she was a senator before. Yeah, but she's a machine politician who's never actually faced any real scrutiny. And more than that, she's really a machine politician who represents the DEI wing of the Democrat Party. And so she didn't have to be tested. You know, this reminds me of

And Roger Ailes used to say a lot of people were correspondents of Fox News and they want to be anchors. And not everybody should be an anchor. It's not it's not the right job for everybody. Some people are better field reporters. And he used to say he just wants to fail upwards. That is the perfect example of failing upwards. And that's her. That's her. She she she failed upward. I mean, she's she might be the number one. She might be the winner of failing upward.

which is kind of a success. So, I mean, she's number one at that. Right. But I mean, you look back at her history. She transferred into Howard. She got into law school, it appears, through a DEI program. She didn't do particularly well. She failed the bar exam first time around. She got a job in the DA's office. She began an affair with a man 40 years her senior who was incredibly powerful in California politics. He helped get her elected as DA and boom, Bob's your uncle. She was off to

to the political races in California, a bright blue state. And then we all know how she got selected as vice president. Yes, of course, because Biden made that explicit in his very Biden way where he says the things out loud that most Democrats know to sort of keep quiet.

Look, Kamala Harris also was a big believer in the Jussie Smollett hoax. I mean, this is the reason that we have instructions on opening packages that tell people like, you know, don't put this plastic over your head is because they have a very, very low cognitive ability. And

when you see somebody believing that Jussie Smollett was attacked by MAGA people on the South side of Chicago, I think it's fair to say that you're not dealing with the brightest bulb. I think it's quite obvious that Kamala Harris was never up for this at all.

And on top of that, I don't think, you know, there are some Democrats who I would disagree with and maybe don't think are particularly gifted or bright, but I think are fundamentally trying to be decent people. Kamala Harris is absolutely vicious and ruthless. The Kavanaugh hearings, which I remember very well, followed very closely and thought was one of the most grotesque things I've ever seen the Democrats do. Of course, that was before some of the stuff that I've seen them do to Trump. And I think that she never, there was never the accountability

for her role in what unraveled as a clear hoax to destroy a man, a good man in front of his family, his colleagues and the whole nation. So I think Kamala is

is a person of no leadership, no character and no intelligence. And that Democrats put, and I don't say that about all Democrats. I've never said Hillary Clinton is dumb character, not her strong suit. - She's not dumb. - Yeah, she's not dumb. I call it, Barack Obama's not dumb. I mean, I really try to call it like I see it. And Joe Biden, actually pretty dumb, but very much,

good at the glad-handing, the grinning and the nonsense of 50 years in politics running in a state where he's never had a real challenge other than just doing whatever the Democrat party tells him to. So Biden kind of knows, you know, he knows his brief, we would say, like he knows how to play the game. Not a smart guy, but not an ineffective guy as a politician. Kamala Harris was absolutely never up for this. I mean, just think of how offensive it is that she was running for president and that it was very obvious that the plan was

Don't have her do any media. Spend a billion dollars so other people can tell the public how great she is and not have her actually, at least Biden could pretend he was scared he was going to get COVID and die. But honestly, he was actually at risk from COVID given his age. Kamala Harris, it was let's just fool people. The whole thing was so dishonest. It was let's pretend that everything that she believed she no longer believes. Through paper statements issued by a campaign spokesperson, not even by her.

She still believes those things. I mean, this is what I was pounding the table on radio. I said, if you think that Kamala Harris has changed any of this, the moment she would get into office, you would get radical executive orders on the environment, on the border, I mean, all of these things. So it's not even that she changed last minute and can we see if maybe she's more moderate now or something. It was an out and out lie. And, you know, I think that that,

finally was too much for people. And again, I'm hoping, I mean, it's only, what is it, midnight now. So I'm hoping that we're not going to find out in three hours that suddenly they just found dump trucks in Wisconsin full of Kamala ballots. And they're going to tell us the second miracle. Because you're allowed to count them for three days after the election, assuming they were postmarked on the day of the election. Just going to give you the latest here, the New York Times latest leanings.

They say Trump has a 95% chance of winning Georgia, 80% chance of winning Arizona, 73% chance of winning Pennsylvania, 72% chance of winning Wisconsin. Yeah, this is what, and 67% chance of winning Michigan. That's all Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. This is why it's so gloomy at Kamala Harris HQ and they're giving interviews everywhere.

Well, or at least comments to people like Brett Baer saying it looks like we're losing. Yes, it does. It does look like you're losing. Buck, I got to give you I got to run, but I'm going to give you the last word. I am interested. You mentioned why you think Trump is winning the stellar campaign. You think he's run. Explain. I think that he showed that.

more disciplined, more creativity and more storytelling, more narrative this time around than we had seen before. I mean, 2016 was kind of its own magical thing because of just the nature of being this guy that came down the escalator and was really making it up as he went along and the improvisation itself was remarkable. But there were clearly missteps and there were things

that I think in 2020, they realized couldn't be replicated this time around. So yeah, it was the best version of Trump that we've seen. I think that he went into one debate and ended the candidacy of his opponent. Biden's age gave him a lot of help, but facts are facts.

I think he did well enough against Kamala in the other debate. I also think debates are very much overrated. And I will say that the Elon factor in all of this is something that a lot of people will be looking at much more. Yes, it was Trump. It's his victory. It's his night, assuming that it is a victory. But I think Elon was among the most important people with the purchase of X, but also to have the richest man in the world and the most important entrepreneur in the world go full red pill

and to have people like Joe Rogan, who really do try to play it down the center, say it's got to be Trump. Yeah, I mean, it's got to be Trump. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about Elon, too. Elon Musk, he voted for Barack Obama twice. He's not been a Republican. And then Elon Musk had a child who said that she was trans. I think it's a girl who transitioned to boy.

And he has said he got sucked into the medical community that said you have to affirm or the child's going to kill herself and all the things that we know that they're doing.

And he regrets having done as instructed. And his child did, quote, transition. I don't know exactly the full extent of it, but his eyes were opened. And that issue has proven very powerful, even according to the exit polls today. And I do think it activated and began the red pilling of Elon Musk. I think it set him on a path that saved free speech in America when he bought X and

That led him to start taking in more conservative thought by following more conservative accounts that were speaking honestly about this issue. I mean, I watched it happen with him. And I do believe he had a critical role in saving this election, if that's indeed the result that we're looking at tonight. All these things have a reason. And as people wake up, they help others do the same. I got to run, Buck. I'll give you the last word. Oh, sure. Okay. Well, anyway, he landed a great job.

All right. All the best. You guys stand by. Right now, we're going to get back to Henry Olson, senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and host of the Beyond the Polls podcast. All right, Henry, what's the latest? Well, it's continuing to look fantastic for Donald Trump. You know, 85 percent of the vote in in Pennsylvania. His vote margin continues to be sustainable even as Philadelphia comes in.

And it's just really hard. Yeah, you can't call it, but it's just increasingly hard to see where she comes back. And the same is true in Wisconsin. I would not be surprised if in the next three hours we are able to call the election. She would need to have pretty much a miracle that happened in all three blue states right now in some part of the state. And the miracles have not been coming up for her.

So explain that, because, you know, there are still major cities like Milwaukee, like Philadelphia, I guess Detroit, that could bring in a huge amount of vote for her. Are you seeing something that says she can't do that to, you know, put her over the edge in these three?

Yeah, well, yeah, the thing is that Philadelphia's vote is increasingly coming in. That as we're talking, 86% of the vote is in Philadelphia. Her margins are lower than Joe Biden's.

There are votes out, but there aren't a whole lot of them out in those areas. And there's Trump votes that are still out, like Cambria County, where they had a scanner problem. That's gonna be like a 70% Trump County right now. But right now it's 50-50 because the only votes they've counted are the male early votes. So you've got tens of thousands of votes left for Trump in rural Pennsylvania. So Philadelphia is not gonna save her. Then you take a look at Milwaukee

You know, he's ahead by 100,000 votes. Half the votes are in and her margins are less. And there are still Trump votes out in rural and suburban Wisconsin. Milwaukee can help, but she's not going to get saved by that. Michigan is the state where there's not a whole lot in from Detroit right now. And that could very well be a game changer for her. But she has to win all three.

The only way she wins all three is for something to happen outside of the big cities that hasn't happened for her anywhere in the country tonight. And if that happens, then maybe she can win all three. But it's not an odd. It's not a hand I would want to bet on, even with massive odds given to me.

Talk to me about the mail-in balloting, though. I think we're all feeling a little squirrely because we all got burned in 2020 thinking, yeah, he's got it. Went to bed. Mail-in balloting changed everything.

Yeah, well, the thing is that the mail-in balloting, first of all, is much, much less than it was in 2020. Secondly, they have been able to process it much faster. There is not, with again, the possible exception of Detroit, there is not that batch of 150,000 mail-in ballots left in Milwaukee. Those have been reported. The mail-in ballots in Philadelphia have been reported. That batch does not exist anywhere.

Rich and Charles may want to weigh in here. Stand by. So, Henry, the most important question facing us in this election, is it now looking as though your New York Post predictions are going to be proved out or not? That's what we're all waiting to learn. My predictions in the New York Post are looking extremely, extremely good right now. Swagger. Swagger.

Henry, I saw it suggested about an hour ago that the Republicans might lose the House, despite what we've seen in the presidential race and the Senate. Is that likely?

No, it's not likely. The House is up for grabs. It's hard to go through the House in detail as I'm going through all of the other things. The House was on such a precarious margin, and the House, of course, goes to the popular vote nationwide. And so Trump is going to win the Electoral College by winning small margins in high-profile states.

Republicans could keep the House. I'm not sure we'll know for a while because so many seats are in California that count so many votes late. And it's just hard to know how they're going to go. But the House is still in play. The Senate is not. And it looks like

My prediction that if Trump takes a state, the senator who is a Republican candidate will also take the state. That looks like it's going to come true. So if the current trends go, Republicans will have between 54 and 56 seats in the Senate. But the House will still be in play. And we won't know until more votes, particularly in California and Arizona, are counted. Henry, do you feel that the math is so bulletproof?

that the left will be unable to deny the results? Deny the results. Anyone can deny results. When George W. Bush won Ohio by 2%,

People argue that that was because that the machines cast by the Diebold company had been manipulated by software and they actually challenged the votes on the floor of the House. Senator Barbara Boxer gave the Senate ability to have that challenge and they tried to overturn the election. People forget that, but that's what they did.

They can deny the results if they want, but there is no justification for doing so based on the trends we are seeing right now. The votes that are being cast are legal. The votes will produce a result that is demonstrably true, that is demographically consistent, that is supported by exit polls.

They can do what they want, but I see any way that they can overturn this election and they would be only trying to rev up their base by following suit and doing that. Henry, why haven't we gotten a call yet in Georgia? The only call we've gotten is North Carolina. I haven't gotten a call in Georgia. I haven't gotten a call in Arizona. Right. And haven't gotten a call in Nevada yet.

Well, Nevada hasn't released any votes yet because their rule is that they cannot release any early votes until all of the precincts are closed. And so somebody must be voting in person somewhere. Arizona, only half of the votes have been counted and it's 50-50. There's no reason for a call in Arizona. Why that Georgia hasn't been called?

is beyond me. Unless the number of votes that people think are outstanding is much, much greater than is apparent on the AP call, it certainly looks like Georgia is outside of Kamala Harris's grasp. I think they're being ultra cautious because of the consequences. If they call Georgia

then they may have to call the election for Trump within the next three hours. And they may not want to do that until it's absolutely 100 percent necessary. Mm hmm. They know they're playing with fire. George is big and he's had a steady lead and almost all the votes. And so, yeah, we're all wondering, don't go too far. Henry, are those your students behind you? We're like kind of looks like you're in an airport, like but that's your classroom. Yeah.

I am here at the invitation of my best friend, Terry Hallmark, who's a professor at the University of Houston Honors College. So they're his students, not my students, but they've been here for five hours listening to all of this and they deserve they deserve a medal.

Yeah, they're learning a lot. Oh, well, so are we, thanks to you. All right, stand by. Thank you so much. Love Henry. So, so full of information. I want to bring into this discussion, Victor Davis Hanson. Victor, I mean, it's really incredible when you hear Henry say, we could be talking about

I think he said the number 56? He did. Possible Senate seats? I mean, we're getting ahead of ourselves, but Henry's no slouch. That's how he sees this election potentially shaping up. Who would have dreamed? Well, you know, in the last two to three weeks, there were all these indicators that were there. The Mexican-American, Hispanic, Latino, whatever term we use, male vote was supposedly at 50%.

polling at record highs. There was a vast defection of African American males. As we said last time, in particular states there were, in Michigan especially, there was even division among the Muslim vote. There was problems with the EV mandate. There were even reports of the Amish were being recruited more heavily by the Republicans.

I'm on a board so I go to Milwaukee and I remember in August and September there were people on the left that did not want to continue with the get out of the vote effort in inner city of Milwaukee because they were afraid that African American males were going to be encouraged to vote and they were going to lose 20 to 25%. I'm just saying that again because Megan, when I looked at the vote, they were static, the polls, they were static and

They never showed any of this. And it seemed that laymen could see that something was going on. And that just begs the question, why didn't they do it? And whether they deserve it or not, their reputation is back to 2016, if that. Because they were showing Bernie Moreno losing. And same thing with...

in McCormick and all of the Senate. They were basically telling us it was going to be deadlocked or they were going to lose. Republicans were not going to regain the Senate. And Trump was, the last 48 or 72 hours, lost his momentum, etc. So it really, it's just, I think it's destroyed the reputation. There were three or two or three polls in 2020,

the Trafalgar, but especially this Brazilian poll, Atlas and Tel, and then Erasmus, that were, at least on the margin of error, maybe not picking the winner, but on the margin of error, they were the top three. And yet when they consistently were polling pretty much what we're looking at tonight, and no one really took them seriously, they were seen as outliers. So I think a lot of people

I think the polls are discredited. I think a lot of people saw this. And I'm not saying that the election's over. We don't know what's going to happen. But there was enough indications out there. If a person looked at it disinterestedly and empirically, they could see that this was not going to be 2020. And it was going to be better for Trump in 2016. It probably will be.

Victor, the Hispanic vote is turning out to be the story of the night. Ryan Gerduski, he just tweeted out that Trump, we verified this ourselves, Trump won star county, Texas, the most Hispanic county in America at 97% Hispanic by 16 points. By 16 points. The last time this county voted Republican was in 1892.

And Trump just won it by 16. Here is Chuck Todd talking about the Hispanic vote tonight. Take a listen.

Look, Hispanic voters are swing voters. And I think, you know, what's interesting here is the Republican Party treated them the same way they treated white working class voters. They courted them the same way they treated white working class voters. The Democratic Party has spent a lot of time treating it as an identity group. You know, whether it's Latinx, which sort of fell flat,

And so there's been a lot of hand-wringing about this inside Democratic circles. A real split, like, you know, it was a total misread sort of by the coastal strategists when it comes to how to target working class people.

voters of color. And I think we're starting to see sort of a working class coalition start to drift to the right. You know, before Donald Trump had working class whites. Now he's adding working class Hispanics and working class, not necessarily seeing evidence of working class African Americans, but adding working class Hispanics. That becomes a very durable majority. Fair point.

Yeah, he's got a point, but of course, he should look in the mirror because the greatest purveyors of Latinx and identity politics are people like Chuck Todd and the media in general. And we've been doing this, you and I have been talking for a year, and I've said that I could not believe that every Mexican American male over the age of 40 in this town that I live in, that's about 90, 95% was voting for Trump. I'd never seen anything like it. And they were mostly contractors,

painters, shingle people, and they would come up to me and say, "Why aren't you talking about plywood? You know, it's a hundred and something dollars now, one-inch plywood. Romex is ten times more. Gas, I can't even afford to fill up. Who are these people?"

And it was total denial. The media was complicit in that. And the other thing that's really ironic is we heard from a lot of people in the traditional Republican Party that Donald Trump was a racist. He was polarizing. That's all true that he was polarizing, but

he did much better than the people who called him racist within the party because he outperformed and he had before the McCain Romney wing of the Republican Party because they whether it was deserved or not they had the stigma of aristocratic you know um snobbishness I don't know it was a stereotype I didn't believe that but that was the image of the Republican Party they were interested in capital gains talks uh cuts privatizing Social Security and you know

muscular foreign policy that might include optional wars, some of which I am supported. But this idea that Donald Trump, of all people, this kind of supposedly obnoxious, crude billionaire was redefining the Republican Party by substituting class solidarity that transcended race and identity politics, no one in the Republican Party really

believed it. And they kept saying that he was polarizing, he was going to lose it. The irony about all this, Megan, is if this Latino vote is even close to 50-50, the Democratic Party will rethink their open border strategy. They really will.

For two reasons, maybe. Listen to this, Victor. Listen to this. Per Fox's Bill Malugin, Prop 36 in California will pass reversing Prop 47, which is that soft on crime initiative where they said if you steal less than $1,000, $950, it's not a felony and you're good. And that led to a whole lot more stealing. And finally, the people of California got out in there and said,

you people are insane and reversed this policy. She was asked as a Californian whether she was going to vote to support the reversal of this insane policy, and she refused to say. What a shock. I have a feeling you, Victor Davis Hanson, voted in favor of Prop 36. Just one more piece of it. Bill reports that one of Prop 47's architects said,

L.A. District Attorney George Gascon is currently losing his race by 22 points. Go ahead. Well, if you go into San Francisco and you see something that no one could imagine five years ago when you see cars, and I've seen them a lot, with the windows down, a little cardboard placard said, unlock nothing here. In other words, if I'm not going to get my window broken in by a thief, I'll let the thief

go through my car instead. It's a lawless place. But it's kind of analogous to the recent proposition two years ago that tried to reintroduce racial identity politics and hiring, and that was refuted as well. What's happening in California is kind of a first step. They haven't yet evolved to get rid of the politicians that support these things, but some of these politicians realize that almost their entire

policy, whether it's the Green New Deal or no fracking or 30 cents a kilowatt electricity banning, trying to shut down nuclear plants, etc. High speed rail. It's 13 years. It's five miles from my house, Megan, and they haven't laid any track.

It's full of graffiti and it's up to about $17 billion. The 99 freeway right next to it is ossified at four lanes. It's the most dangerous freeway in the United States per mile driven. People are slaughtered on it every weekend while they do this utopian experiment dreamed up

by the coastal elite. So they understand that their policies are not viable anymore, even in California, especially with 45% of the population Latino, but they haven't made the next step yet. And that is not vote democratic because as you saw from the popular vote in California,

It's going to go. It was heavily Democratic. And they're going to have to do it bit by bit through these little propositions. But that's that's a long road. Yeah. Victor got to run. I know you're busy tonight, too. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Say hello to your guest. I know them like. Yeah, they're saying hello to you, too. OK, Rich Charlie Marine, still with me now. Just a little update. So Scott Pressler.

our one man registration factory in Pennsylvania saying that in Berks County, Pennsylvania, Trump gained more votes. Kamala lost more votes than in 2020. So she went down from where Biden was. Trump went up from where he was. Berks County has a large population of, can you guess Hispanics? Yep. Yep. Dominicans and Puerto Ricans. It's really unbelievable. Obviously seeing quite a trend here. Um,

I don't know whether this will change a thing amongst the left, our friends in the left. I don't think they know how to speak to this group in a way that will resonate. And just like I don't think they're going to respond to the messaging on the trans issue either, which is at least half of the electorates said in the exit polls were.

This is too much. We've gone too far. I want to see if I can get that. Yeah. About half of voters overall said support for transgender rights. This is how they put it. Transgender rights. That's the nicest framing you can possibly do of it has gone too far. I mean, if you actually said, are you in favor of chopping off the body parts, healthy body parts of children who can't give informed consent? Do you favor that? We'd have in the 90s. But you tell me whether you think the Democrats can change messaging on this.

You know, the left, as Mark Halpern and his crew were saying, Halpern and his crew were saying, is probably just going to double down and say the problem with Kamala Harris is that she was insincere, didn't stick with the left-wing positions, and went around with a Republican who didn't deliver for her in the form of Liz Cheney. It's going to be really fun when they blame it on Liz Cheney. Yeah, exactly. I'm looking forward to it.

- But you know, the left has a lot to answer for here, but also this is a major failure of the democratic establishment. So you look, 2016, they wanted Hillary Clinton. It wasn't Hillary Clinton was foisted on her. They wanted to clear the field for her 'cause they thought she was so great.

Horrible candidate. Maybe the only Democrat that year could lose to Donald Trump. And she did. They got Biden right in 2020. He was the strongest alternative against Trump and he wins. But then they went along with the crazy idea that he was fit to run again and gaslit the whole nation. And then...

A flock to her, right? A completely flawed candidate. And I remember you saying, I was on, I think, the day of the switcheroo. And you're like, there's no way she can win, right? She's terrible in all aspects of this. And you ended up, you know, she had her moments, but you ended up being right, right? But the establishment was all in. And I think one leak we'll hear probably pretty soon, if she loses, you know, a day or two later, someone close to Barack Obama saying, you know, he always wanted a competitive process when Biden stepped aside.

Can I add a moment in your chronology I think you missed, and that is that Joe Biden won because he was the candidate you described, and then he allowed himself to be convinced by progressive activists and historians who aren't really historians, or at least who weren't acting as historians.

that he ought to run hard to the left and forget why it was that he won in the first place. And so he goes from being Joe Biden, caretaker, president, bridge to the future, moderate, reasonable man who can beat Donald Trump, to...

trying to spend $6 trillion and going all in on the trans nonsense. And that's a huge shift. And just DEI in general. I mean, he totally bought into the left's culture war in a way that, I mean, you see them running from it now, right? Like she wasn't touting that stuff on the campaign trail. You saw the New York Times piece saying that,

Even they acknowledge she's distanced herself. But you see, I think some voters have got wise to this because they saw what happened with Biden where he didn't run on it, but then he did it anyway. And I've heard a bunch of people who are more moderate say, well, they don't run on this stuff, but then the bureaucracy...

implement it anyway. I mean, to your initial question, which was can they learn from it, they probably have to lose more than one election to learn. I think you have to lose three, basically, before you change. The other problem they've got is they've turned a lot of their policy positions into these moral absolutes. And the problem with moral absolutes is you can't compromise. I mean, we think about taxes, right? We go in and we say, well, we want to lower them, and they say we don't, and then we come to some sort of arrangement.

But if it is the civil rights issue of our time to cut off the genitals of underage children, you can't say we'll cut some off, right? You have to kind of go all in. And breaking that habit with them is actually going to be very, very difficult because they have convinced themselves that this is, disgracefully, that this is the equivalent of Selma. So they're going to have to...

work their way out of that. But you're not going to do that with one election, one by one.

But if they see that it's costing them elections, this is a very small group of people. They're very loud and very nasty. The trans activists, not trans people, but the trans activists.

So I do wonder, because you're going to have a tension between the Democrats who say we need to win elections and those who say, oh, but we've got to bow, bend the knee to these almighty activists who will make my life a living hell. And they will. Trust me, my years at NBC, if you did a segment on the trans issue without having an actual trans person as part of the discussion, GLAAD would be calling you for a week. And these news organizations respond to that, never mind these leftists. So they're in a pickle here, Maureen.

I agree. I think that we're seeing a bit of movement and it's going to take a very long time. You know, it was within, I want to say the past year that Pamela Paul wrote that piece for the Times. Yes, that was big. That was big. It was huge. And since then, it's,

To see this become a flashpoint, I think it's going to take a lot of time. But to Charlie's point about moral absolutes and forgive my voice, it sounds worse than it is. It's kind of saucy. Oh, thanks. I like to think it's very to me more. I think if things are going the way they look and Trump wins, what we're going to see on the left is going to be very dispiriting because they are going to say hate won, racism won, misogyny won.

Women's rights lost. Transphobia won. And we're in for a dark, dark time. Their post-mortem, I don't think, isn't going to be about what they did wrong. Yeah, and it's going to go from Trump is bad to the country is bad. Exactly. Especially if he wins the popular vote. They are garbage. Right. Yeah. FYI, we are expecting Trump to speak at some point soon from Mar-a-Lago. And now just receiving word that Congress

Kamala Harris is not planning to address the public during the night, according to a person familiar with the White House, spoke to AP and CBS also. So Trump's going to speak. She's not going to speak.

I don't know what he's going to say. He's probably going to declare victory. We'll see. I think he'll hedge it a little, but we're... No, you don't think so? He's going to declare victory if you're losing. Exactly right. Exactly right. But it is amazing to watch sort of the moods change at the various camps, I'm sure.

there's, it's very gloomy at team Harris or West Palm beach, Florida. That's Trump because Kamala Harris is in Washington, DC at Howard. The other thing I point out, I want to raise with you, Maureen is, um, they will say misogyny one, and it will not only be because their women's rights issue abortion didn't get the attention that they wanted it in, in electoral response, but because she's a woman, they will absolutely play that card. Yes, they will.

That is going to be very, very dark for us, for all of us.

It's not because she was a woman. It's because she was a piss poor candidate. Yeah, that's it. She could have been a man. I mean, Tim Waltz is almost her in male form. You know, like he can't put a coherent sentence together. He's got issues with stories that he's telling. Yeah. And they they hid him towards the end of this campaign the way they were hiding her at the beginning of her campaign. That's right. Anyway. Oh, look at this.

MSNBC just called Georgia for Trump. Wow. So there we go. Wow. Now, was that this election or 2016? This, too, speaking of House races via the New York Post, GOP Representative Nick LaLotta defeats Democrat John Avalon. Wow. Speaking of CNN, in battle for New York won Long Island House seat.

So that's one. Trump did go. He went out there. That's a wealthy area, too. Trump went out to Long Island. He went to California. And people were saying, what the hell? I was one of them. Like, what's he doing there? And then it dawned on me, this is about the House seats. He's trying to get himself, you know, unified government. Yeah, a lot of them are New York and California. So the swing congressional districts aren't necessarily in swing states. But if it's close in the House, we're going to be waiting forever for California. I mean, it's just, it's...

Pennsylvania is bad because they don't process the early vote immediately the way they should and the way Florida and others do. It's only government can you have people do something well in advance and have it delay the process the way it does in some of these states. But California, you know, someone could drop a ballot in a puddle. Someone finds it a week later and shows it to the registrar, and then they'll spend a couple weeks trying to track down who voted this and can we see any marks on it. And it just takes forever. It's a disgrace.

We should know results reliably and quickly. Yeah, we're like a third world country. This is, by the way, one of many reasons I'm very strongly in favor of the Electoral College. Could you imagine? I mean, it looks like the popular vote is going to be really close, right? So we would be waiting for California for, what, three weeks, a month, two months before we would know who the president was. That would be a disaster. It's really so we have a bunch of boys here tonight from my son's school.

And when my eldest was in eighth grade last year, he's in ninth grade now, they had him debate, should we keep the Electoral College?

And I think I told you guys this. And he took the position. Do you guys have to do that? Yeah, they had to do it too. Which side were you on? Electoral college. Keep it. They're on the side of keeping it. So was my son Yates was on the side of keeping it. And they talked all about how absurd, we would have no minority rights in the country. They wanna get rid of the filibuster in the Senate. So we have no minority rights in the Senate. They wanna get rid of the electoral college. So we have no minority rights in the country.

I mean, hopefully Trump will win. If he wins this race, he'll also win the popular vote. So we don't have to get into that absolutely inane discussion again about whether we should keep the electoral college. The whole foundation of the compact between the states when the founders were kicking this around, the smaller states, the states that were more rural, they're bigger in territory, but not as great in populations. They were like, why do we need to join up with you? Why?

What's in it for us? Well, we're going to have a unified government. Well, then you big states with all the people are just going to come and take our land and take our things and tax us to the eyeballs. I'm not sure why. And they had to be guaranteed that they would have a real seat at the table and that they could stop certain things from happening. Anyway, it's just never going to happen.

Did I? Did I? Yeah. What do you think? Did I get it okay? Yeah. Yeah. It's like we have a live studio audience now. Yeah. It's an inherent part of the federal structure. And people try and other countries try to shame us for this. But other advanced countries don't have direct democratic elections for president or prime minister either. Yeah. I mean, so Canada, the last two elections Canada has held,

the conservative party there has won a popular vote twice and they've lost both elections no one ever says that in england the labour party won but the labour party the last election won 33 of the vote

And they won 400 seats in parliament out of 650. They have an untrammeled power. That's fine, by the way. That's the system. I'm not objecting to it. You live with the system that you have. But there's this bizarre idea that this is unique to America. It's not unique to America. So when they realize that they can't raise the electoral college if Trump wins the popular vote, they will try to find... I don't agree with my legal panel that, like Dave Ehrenberg...

that they're just going to accept it. That doesn't sound like them. No, no. I mean, I don't think that all the Hitler messaging was fake. I mean, it wasn't true, but I think it was sincere on their part for a lot of these Democrats that they genuinely believe Trump is this existential threat that he must be stopped. I just don't, I don't know what they're going to do. Then I also worry because a lot of, I did a lot of podcasts in preparation for, you know, before we got in the air and they were asking me, do you think that, um,

that they'll see this is a chance. Like Elon Musk wants to work for us for free. You know, we could have Bobby Kennedy looking at some things that he actually should be looking at. Not, not all the things, but like there are some, there's some real value he could bring. Um,

Why wouldn't we say yes to that? Why wouldn't be excited about that? Why wouldn't the left say, I'm not going to interfere this time with endless impeachments? You're shaking your head no. No, of course not. They sincerely believe he's a fascist. And as we're saying, though, this is a condemnation of the country. It's not a seal of approval for Trump, right? It's a sign that the country is fundamentally corrupt, racist and sexist and all the rest of it. And there'll be some objections in the House to certifying the electors, assuming he wins because he's

supposedly an insurrectionist. And they will think, you know, not totally without reason, that their methods the first time around worked, right? The way they'll square the circle if he wins and is inaugurated is because you can't for too long say the public is awful because you lose, they

they will say the public was tricked and we will get the biggest push on misinformation that you've ever seen. If you think last time was bad, it's going, this is going to be the drive now. So the first amendment is going to be right in the crosshairs. They're going to try and draw a distinction between, uh,

acceptable speech, legitimate speech and misinformation. And they're going to say the public is virtuous and good, but it was tricked by Trump and Elon Musk and billionaires and whatever. That's my prediction. That's actually a really good point. And they'll come after people in our lane. Yes. I mean, you heard... Oh, you're going to get it right in the neck. I'm definitely going to get it. We have a plan. But yeah, we heard Jen Psaki on MSNBC last night. Do you guys, do we have that soundbite saying we're going to have to do something about these annoying digital...

and internet purveyors of misinformation. Let's listen. They're searching. And finally, let me just end with this. Our democracy is strong and the American people are fierce. But even if Trump is defeated tomorrow,

He has exposed during his time out there some serious limitations within our system. And it may be time to ask ourselves things like whether social media platforms should have the freedom to operate at a lower level of accountability than local television networks in terms of the lies they can spread. Or whether the Electoral College alone is the right way to determine who should lead this country. Or whether, just putting it out there, a convicted felon should be eligible to run for the highest office in the land.

Those are some really important questions at some point we will need to consider, but there's plenty of time for that. Those questions are not for tomorrow. Tomorrow is about answers. It's about finally learning how much protecting our democracy matters, whether morality and character matter, whether our right to make choices about our own bodies matter enough to enough of the American people. Tomorrow we will start to learn a whole lot more.

So she would love nothing more than to have some sort of language police come into the digital lane to make sure NRO and the Megyn Kelly show have to run our content through some sort of screening panel controlled by the Jen Saki's of the world.

Jen Psaki, who, by the way, is such an honest journalist that she didn't even ask Doug Emhoff about the allegations against him when she had him sitting across from her. Jen Psaki, I liked you better when you were in the following very famous cartoon. Dance the kitty cat dance. We need to scratch our kitty paws, stomp our feet, and wag our kitty tails. Here we go.

Yay! It's her. That's the way she speaks. So true. It's exact. So true. I'm sorry, but, you know, she's so sweet in the way she speaks, and she says very pernicious things. Stand by. Speaking of pernicious, Michael Knowles is here. He's host to the Michael Knowles Show for The Daily Wire. I don't know, Michael Knowles. I know it's annoying that they're not calling everything, but I am starting to have this feeling like...

We are vindicated in like literally everything that we believe. Are you having this feeling?

It would be difficult at this point in the night. I know that the New York Times Needle became infamous in 2016. But at this point in the night, you know, the numbers have all just been moving in Trump's direction. Last I checked, he had something like a 91% likelihood of winning. So it would be rather odd if the graph went in the other direction. But I think the point you all were just making is so right. The left has seen this coming. Financial markets have been pricing in a Trump win for some days now. So...

The Washington Post and especially the New York Times,

I think got in front of this story and they decided who they were going to blame they were going to blame all of us we saw a story in the Washington Post about how podcasters and new media companies are the cause of of Trump's rise and then the New York Times really hit us and it hit me personally I only saw this because it popped up in my Google Alerts and I clicked the link to the time story in the podcast election disinformation flies on YouTube with no consequence

and my face was the middle of the banner. And I said, oh my goodness, what did I say? I thought I've been pretty precise in my language. What did they get me on? And then I kid you not, I searched in the article. My name did not appear once. They didn't cite a single thing I said. They didn't mention me. My face was the center of it. Just the face of misinformation. You're adorable.

Maybe it was just, you know, clickbait. They wanted to sell more. That's right. He was a very successful young person's actor. I mean, I think that they remember. They're like, get the famous one. Yeah, that one.

That's ridiculous. Compare it, Megan, compare that to the op-ed we saw before the Washington Post tried to hit podcasters. Jeff Bezos said, "We in the old establishment media are competing with podcasters and streaming, and we have to win." So I think- He did say that. If Trump wins, if it looks like the Republicans have the Senate, I'm hopeful that we're going to hold the House. So maybe they'll be stymied in this for a little while.

But they are coming after us. I think that the new media, conservatives who broke the establishment media, we very well could be public enemy number one for the liberal establishment. Well, if they take control of the House, it could be a real problem. If they're not in power in the House or the Senate or the White House, it's less of a problem. Though they have these outside agitator groups that could be difficult. I just want to bring this to you, just breaking here, New York Times article.

In every state where voters, sorry, in every state where votes are nearly complete, according to our estimates,

Wow. Holy.

Holy moly. Nine or 10. I mean, that ought to help on keeping the House in Republican. This is like this. If this is all true, this is a wholesale rejection of the nonsense that we have had shoved down our throats for four years. Michael Knowles talking about. Listen,

We launched this show four years ago. We launched this show right in the middle of the race essentialism, George Floyd mania, the nonsense around cops and BLM and the trans stuff was exploding. All of which is on them. All of which. Everything we've been doing to the young children.

That's on them. Dividing them by race. There's a school that was in the news this past week for saying, depending on who wins the election, hint, hint, Trump, you can have the next day off. Fieldston Ethical Culture, I'm talking to you. And that school divided kids by race in an exercise reported by parents and had them yell at each other or do some sort of nasty exercise. That's what's happening. Thanks to these guys. And that's...

why a state like New York would turn on them 10 points. That's all part of it. The economic policies, Michael, the immigration, the busing of the immigrants up to places like New York. We've seen New York City overrun social services no longer available.

This is how you get deep blue states to say 10 points in the favor of the orange Hitler. Right. I never thought that Trump was going to win New York. However, I was at MSG whenever it was a week or so ago, and there were about a zillion people there. I mean, there were 20,000 people fit inside MSG. There were probably another 80,000 or more just outside. They were broadcasting it on the side of Madison Square Garden.

I counted something like a dozen protesters. The feeling, even in New York, I said, I don't think we're going to win the state, but it might help some of those tight congressional races, and it might give you this bizarre situation we have tonight where the margin in New York is slimmer than in Florida.

You know, Kamala's margin of victory in New York is slimmer than Trump's margin in Florida. That's a pretty amazing statement. And so to your point, Megan, you say this is a wholesale rejection of Kamala and what she represents. That's true. However, I wonder, once the fog clears, assuming the election does end up going Trump's way,

We might look back and say, you know, this election was a vindication of common sense. Yeah, it turns out that when inflation jumps 23% in three years, voters don't like that. Turns out when you allow an invasion of your country, voters don't like that. Turns out that when you kick out the,

duly elected nominee of your party and replace him with a woman who is one of the least popular politicians in the country, never won a single primary vote while running for president. Turns out voters don't like that. You know, we've been so in the weeds on all of this. Some of us even fell for the Iowa poll, the outlier that came out a couple days ago said that Kamala was going to win Iowa. But really, you know, once the fog clears and you look back on it, you might just say,

Oh yeah, that was pretty commonsensical all along. Kind of like the common sense that you shouldn't dress a little boy up like a little girl, you know? Maybe actually reality is reasserting itself at long last.

I mean, one can only dream. I want to tell you that moments ago there was a Kamala Harris campaign spokesman who came out at her watch party at Howard University in Washington, D.C., and said she will not be speaking. The headline on NBC Live feed just now, Harris campaign vibe check, colon, not good. Stephen L. Miller, Red Steez, he goes by on X, very funny, he's been on the show recently, said

And he observes the following. The entire girl boss, I'm speaking campaign sends a man out to speak for her on election night. Pretty good.

Very good, right? Where is she now? I'm getting such throwbacks, Megan. I'm having such throwbacks to 2016 when everyone was waiting at the Javits Center in New York for the big Hillary party and she sends out, "Poor Mr. Podesta." And he walks on that stage and he says, you know, I remember the words almost verbatim, "Thank you so much for showing up for Hillary. Hillary has always shown up for you."

And you're waiting, here's the ellipsis. Except for right now when it matters most. Where is it? And you're getting the same feeling from Kamala. You really are. Just taking a look here. Let's see. Vivek Ramaswamy.

Exit polls show that threats to democracy was a top issue. MSM thought that meant votes for Kamala. It turns out it was exactly the opposite. Voters are rejecting censorship, lawfare and dishonesty. I mean, that is a question. What you know, what is in threats to democracy? They're the ones who try to get Trump thrown off the ballot. They're the ones who use lawfare to try to stop him from being able to run at all.

I wonder. I'd love to dig deeper in that poll. I have a feeling that the exit polls probably didn't ask exactly who the threats would be against. You there, Michael? Can you hear me? There we are. I have you. I have you, Megan. You know, I wonder also just what we're going to get from the pollsters afterward because they played this so safe.

And some of these margins were not all that tight. So, you know, to your point, you know, we try not to read the tea leaves of the exit polls too early in the night. I think now it's a little safer territory to do it. But also...

You know, this was a tough election to map out because the rules changed. Democrats changed a lot of the rules in 2020. They used COVID as the excuse to do it. So you saw greater use of mail-in ballots. You saw a great expansion of early voting and ballot drop boxes.

And so if you don't have precedent, it's very difficult to model in for the future. And so a lot of people are going to end up with egg on their face, though I'm happy, at least at this moment, that right now it seems that you're seeing good news for the Republicans and proof that there is a real political realignment taking place.

If Trump is really pulling upwards of 20% of black male voters, that is an absolutely shocking number. If Trump is pulling 44, 45% of Hispanic voters in certain states, that is an absolutely shocking number that we haven't seen in 20 years.

You know, there's always this talk about the realignment, and the party that has lost recently always touts the supposed realignment that's taking place. But it was hard to deny this time. The Teamsters don't endorse Kamala.

The LA Times doesn't endorse it, the Washington Post doesn't endorse Kamala. You've got, I don't know, just major institutional shifts. Elon Musk is a liberal. He endorses Trump. Joe Rogan is a liberal. He still is. Tulsi Gabbard, Bobby Kennedy. You know, I think they can truly say

in a way that isn't cynical or pandering and that is totally sincere. They did not leave their party. Their party left them. And there are a lot of people. There is a reason that Joe Rogan is the biggest podcaster in the world. He is speaking to your average American voter. And so the Democrats, if they're capable of it, will have to engage in a lot of introspection, a lot of soul-searching.

after this. I'm not sure of the state of their souls, in fact, you know, that might be part of the introspection too. But if they can bring themselves to do it, it would really help them. Because Joy Reid screaming about fascists in Florida and how the white women failed black voters again, I don't think that that is going to help them in 2028.

I hope somebody, maybe it'll be me, does a video about how we don't want to see your black woman tears like she did about white women crying. I know they have white woman tears. I laugh at them. She's such a nice person. Michael, a pleasure. Great to see you. A pleasure as always to be with you all. I hope that we're popping champagne in an hour or two. I know. I hope so, too. I don't want to get too cocky, but yeah, it's looking good right now. Guys, one of the things that's interesting about the exit polls is

Fox News exit polling showing Trump increased his support among white Catholics in Michigan

to plus 24. All I can think of is the Al Smith dinner. I mean, like, I don't know, but... And also she was asked about abortion and she said that there will be no exceptions whatsoever, which in practical speak means that her administration would have used executive power to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions. Yeah. And I just, I know personally as someone who's married to a Catholic, that is just...

the worst thing you could possibly say. It's a hard win them over. You're telling a doctor who's Catholic, he actually has to take the life of an unborn child. And that was the Holly Jackson interview. Another kind of sympathetic, friendly interview where she was trying to just elicit, can we have a little compromise on this? And Harris says, no.

We can't. And just if Trump pulls this out, it'll be an enormous personal vindication because no matter what he said about 2020, I think deep down he realized he lost. He felt it as a deep personal humiliation. And to come back and

and win again. He was a legend before this for a lot of people in MAGA and the Republican Party when he just won one out of two. But after this, I mean, his personal hold on the Republican Party, at least for the next year or two after this, will be extraordinarily strong. I think it'll be longer than that. I think this—

the party is MAGA if they've become one in the same and everyone else is going to have to fold in in some way, shape, or form. It also, if this is the victory that we think it is, sets J.D. Vance up to be the next leader of the party. I mean, this, like...

For me, it's unbelievable. I interviewed that guy a few years ago, you guys, and he was a little, forgive me, J.D., pudgy. He was so young. I mean, he honestly looked like he wasn't even shaving. He was also harsher about Trump than Charlie or whoever. He was way more never-Trumper than you. Yeah. By the way.

I don't know how statisticians could even conceivably do this, but I would love to see the number of voters who formerly identified as never Trumpers who pulled the lever for Trump. Yeah. Because I think there is a substantial number of them. And when you saw that rally at Madison Square Garden, knowing that New York City's never going red, but that turnout, that wasn't just bridge and tunnelers, the Long Islanders, the New Jerseyans, but Manhattanites from the Upper East Side.

And a mixed crowd that just said so much about where the country is going. And like you guys just said, this wholesale rejection of this leftist orthodoxy that's been shoved down our throats for the better part of four years and the rest of us

being told that we're amoral sybarites if we don't get it. Yeah. Also, I think Buck Sexton was making this point. I don't think we can underestimate the effect of the first assassination attempt. His favorable rating took a jump up after that and never came down. Now, he still hasn't been popular. His favorability is a little bit under his favorability, but he was as popular as he ever had been after that, and that effect endured. You know what else, too, Rich? I mean—

I gently chastised Tucker for this at one point, but he got up there at the RNC convention, Tucker did, and said, Trump's changed. The RNC convention happened days after the assassination, and he said, I'm telling you, he's changed. And I laughed at the time, and I gave him jazz, saying, sure, Trump hasn't changed. He's not going to change. And then Trump went right back to using his usual insults and so on, and I was like, see?

But the truth is, if you think about Trump pre-assassination attempt post, because we've had a longer time now, I actually think Trump did change a bit. It's not that he didn't, he stopped insulting people, but I do think he got, I don't know, like this is a weird word to use for Trump, but maybe like in his own way, a little sweeter. Like his bit at his rally, and I watched it last night, but I've been watching a lot of it because we've been getting closer to the end here.

He's trying harder to make people like him. You know, he's like being more generous with his supporters and with himself and being more self-deprecating. And we haven't even spent a minute on McDonald's. McDonald's, yeah. And the garbage vest. And the garbage. Making him look skinnier. That's self-deprecating. That's like a guy who is saying...

Like me, you know, please like me. I'm willing to do these fun, humiliating things to myself. And I actually think there's that that that's paying some dividends on the guy. I think he I actually have hope. Maybe I'm nuts that a second Trump term could be a bit kinder and gentler and less chaotic than the first one. If only they will let it. And I don't know that they will let it.

Thoughts on that? Yeah. I don't know. We'll see if he wins the administration. I mean, it's just sort of the way he operates. He's the one that is in charge. He's not told by anyone what to do. Someone who worked for him the first time around said he realized—

The one word you can never use with Trump is should. If you want him to do something, you can't say, sir, you should do this because they're inherently going to reject it. And they can give him the two options and betray one as being the better and the other the worse and hope he'll go with the better. But I think that this the chaos of the first administration had a lot to do with just his natural temperament and character. And I don't think that's changing. Well, but they were trying to impeach him. They were accusing him of being a Russian agent. They're going to do it all again. Are they?

Oh, yeah. Yeah? Oh, you both are, you have no doubt? No doubt. Why? Well, because even now when they don't know that he's won, they're starting. What do you mean? Well, I mean, if you just look at, not what is being said on TV already. John King? Not John King. I don't think John King is saying it. I mean, Joy Reid immediately said that Florida came out as it did because it's full of, you know, full of white supremacist fascists.

Actually, you know, it's full of Hispanics who seem to have moved heavily to the right. It's going to be tough to sell that. But she tried. And I have no doubt. Don't you think they'll impeach him within 10 minutes? If they win the House, the Democrats will impeach him for winning the election. They're going to try and not seat him. Exactly right. So can you speak about that? Because I don't agree with Dave Ehrenberg. He's like, no, they're going to accept it. That's Democrats. Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

think they're going to try to get him to stop. Maybe they'll use convicted felon. Maybe they'll use insurrectionist. Maybe they'll say he cheated somehow. But there is no way they are just going to let him take office. Yeah, I mean, if he's won, he will take office, but they're going to try and stop it. And if they've won the House, they're going to find a reason to impeach him quite quickly. Yeah, there'll be a third impeachment, definitely. Well, I guess as soon as he takes office, exactly. They'll find something. And Trump is so non-traditional that there'll be something that he does, right, to give them...

some grounds for alleged impeachment or what have you. It's going to be chaotic. I will say they did learn some lessons from the first time around. I think the whole personnel thing, the bowl has gotten rolling on that faster than it did the first time around. They've never really got on the right side of that, the whole administration. There are a lot of positions they never filled. So I think they'll do better on that score. But the environment is going to be extremely hostile. And he's someone who likes doing things on the fly.

I am worried, I have to be honest, that they're going to try to kill him again. My worry, and I almost hate to say it, is that he'll be very well protected, right? Really? Yeah, but what about the people working for him? And how far down can that protection go? Oh, God. That's dark. Yeah. If you're the deputy secretary of something, are you in more threat than such a person's ever been before? That's dark. I hadn't considered that.

I mean, it's dark enough to think about it happening to Trump, but I just don't... I mean, these nutcases out there that tried to stop him even from getting to tonight. Right. Like, I don't have... I got to be honest, with all due respect, I don't have faith in the Secret Service to keep him safe. Really? I mean, why would I? It's a fair point. It's a fair point. There's something about this campaign, though, that has struck me, and I wonder if it will carry over into his administration, which was...

WHEN KAMALA SECURED THE NOMINATION WITHOUT GETTING A VOTE AND IT WAS ALL JOY, JOY, JOY AND THE DEMOCRATS WERE SO HAPPY BECAUSE THEY HAD BEEN FREED OF THE BURDEN OF JOE BIDEN.

Her campaign in recent weeks has slid into something that feels very grim and desperate, whereas Trump's flipped over into a campaign that felt joyous, optimistic, to your point, funny, self-deprecating. And I think that that is...

The voters who went his way are choosing optimism. Her joy was a facade. His, I don't think, was. And I don't know how much the assassination attempts factored into that. But if they did, that's a pretty remarkable way to pivot yourself instead of stewing. Right. Did you see that that tape this week, Maureen, where Elon was at one of the events with Trump and he's got the arms up in the air and he's like, it's going to be fantastic.

- His midriff is exposed. - I know, he's like, "It's gonna be so fun." He convinced me. I'm like, "You know, it actually could be fun." I can't wait to see what Elon Musk is gonna do. I was with him at the All In Summit out in LA or wherever we were, yeah, LA. And he was saying like,

They're going to this Department of Government Efficiency, the Doge thing or whatever he's calling it. They are going to cut. It's going to be a little Javier Millet-esque with the chainsaw, you know, the Argentinian leader. I'll believe that. Yeah, but he owns Twitter. I'll believe that when I see it. Why? Because I think he will go in there, identify all sorts of things that can be cut. And I've seen nothing ever in Donald Trump that suggests that he's fiscally conservative or wants to cut it. But he loves to fire people.

Maybe. But you need to do a lot more than fire people. To actually save money, you have to get rid of departments. You have to ask Congress to cut funding. You have to make people's lives difficult. I mean, otherwise it's just symbolic, right? I think he's going to do it. I disagree with you. Oh, I hope you're right. Yeah. I hope you're right. I think it's one of his main platforms. And it's actually, remember when I was getting ready for that debate in December of last year with Vivek and the others,

Vivek was running on a promise to fire every civil service worker whose social security number ended in an odd. That's halfway there. And it was funny because everybody around the debate table, I'm like, should I press him on it? We don't have that much time. And half the room was like, yes, definitely. I'm like, you're not evens, are you? You're odds. Anyway, the point is those two are like-minded on this.

cutting the size of government, finding efficiencies in government. And I mean, I think that could be miraculous. All I can think about, I played this scene for the audience a couple of weeks ago or months ago, when Charles Grodin comes to the White House in the movie, Dave, remember? Yes. He's the accountant friend.

And Dave, played by Kevin Kline, just sicks his buddy over like a couple of Reuben sandwiches on the books. I know, but that's why I'm skeptical, right? Because that's not actually how you cut government. It's not like you go through your budget and say, oh, I have... He's such a wet blanket. No, I'm the opposite of a wet blanket. What do you mean?

Well, the wet blanket would say, oh, great, he'll do it. I'm being a bastard. I'm saying I don't think he will do it because Charles Gurdon's looking through the books. It's like, oh, SCV's going to say, oh, we've got two Netflix accounts. We've got to get rid of one of them. But that's not where all the spending is. I'll be a little more optimistic here. He's not going to reduce the size of government. He's not. But there are several successes in the Trump administration. Just Trump started saying, go figure it out. The

The border, remain in Mexico and all that. Those are clever people thinking about what legal authority we have and how we can use it. No one wants to talk about it, but Operation Warp Speed was Trump just saying, we're going to do this, we're going to do it faster than anyone ever has before. And everyone's like, no, no, you can't do that. And they did because he insisted on it. The Abraham Accords is another example. So if he gets Elon in there, I think they'll come up with some clever ideas. I don't think, you know, the size of government is being reduced or cut 10%. You don't think they're going to cut the Department of Education?

They'd need Congress, right? They may control Congress. They might, yeah. Still, that's a heavy lift. I'd love it if they could do it. But there will be some clever and important things that I think will come out of it. They have to use political capital for that. So I hope he does. Well, that's the other thing. If it looks like, and I mean, right now it's done, unless something drastic happens in the other states that they control the Senate.

that he's going to get all of his cabinet secretaries. Yeah, they get 55 Senate seats, right? That's great. He'll get an attorney general, which he really wants and needs. Yeah. I mean, that's amazing. That's...

They keep this rolling. They could be in a filibuster-proof majority. No one said the word 60. Nobody said 60. I guess that's Nevada, right? Well, how about this? How about this, Rich? How about they turn around and do to the Democrats what they've just been threatening to do and they eliminate the filibuster for minority rights? They shouldn't do that. No, they absolutely

But we should not do that. You know what would be funny, and I'm not advocating this because I oppose this, but what would be really funny is on day one, you pick up

the Kamala Harris court packing bill, the 18 years. And you say, fine, anyone who's been there for 18 years or more is out. So the three Republicans go, they replace the three Republicans and then they just wait a couple of years and get rid of Kagan and Sotomayor and replace them too. And they say, well, I thought you wanted that. It was a brilliant idea. We love that idea. And the court's now nine to nothing, but that's what you said you wanted. Well, that, you know, we should spend a minute on the court.

Because, look, this wasn't a big issue in this campaign because the justices are not that elderly right now. And I think because also Republicans who usually run on it didn't want to mention it, given the backlash to Dobbs and how the left is completely freaked out over the court. It's better not to get into it, though it typically motivates Republicans more than Democrats in elections. But Thomas is getting long in the tooth. Love him. But he's getting up there.

People have mentioned Alito. I think he's still relatively young by Supreme Court Justice Sanders. He's tired and bored and sick of it. What? Why? Why are you saying that? Because that's what I hear. I think he might take the opportunity to retire.

You heard it here first. Oh, what kind of blaspheme is that? I don't want him to. I'm just saying he might take the opportunity. His wife will be able to fly more flags. Exactly. She can open her own flag business. I want to fly those flags in solidarity with Mrs. Alito. I should have asked Mike Davis. He clerked for Alito. You know, Mike Davis. He's not going to say that either way. Yeah, he probably knows, though. But Mike Davis, I have to tell you this. It was two summers ago. Mike Davis dropped this piece on the Mar-a-Lago case.

which was totally radically different from anything I'd been hearing anyplace else. From Andy, who's a genius, who I love, he's my go-to on everything, Turley, nobody was saying what Mike Davis was saying. I'm like, what is this? I'm like, is he a nutcase? Maybe he's a nutcase, I don't know. I started reading, I started looking more at Mike Davis. I'm like, this guy actually makes a lot of sense. Turns out he clerked for Alito, Supreme Court, very smart guy. Comes on, starts arguing with Dave Ehrenberg, making all these predictions on the lawfare. He hasn't been wrong. He's been right about it all.

He really should be under consideration for, if not AG, some sort of top role if Trump wins. We're still at that point. Looking at the running tally, Trump, 246, Harris, 187. It takes 270 to become president of the United States. Okay, wait. My handy team sent me the ages. Thomas is 76. Alito's 74. Wow, I didn't realize he's only two years younger. Yeah. Yeah.

than Thomas. He just seems so vibrant. Youngish, 74. Yeah, Sotomayor is 70, but not in the best health. Chief Justice McDreamy, I mean, Roberts is 69. It's on a sliding scale. Kagan's 64, Kavanaugh's 59, Gorsuch is only 57, Brown-Jackson is 54. By the way, I know you guys wrote a piece over at NRO defending Justice Gorsuch's book,

which is all about cutting down on the administrative state. Was he or was he not totally justified in calling out the BS over-regulation and government getting too involved in our business in the wake of Peanut the squirrel's execution? Peanut. Peanut may have cost them these Senate seats. Am I wrong? 10% of the Senate went over because of that. What the hell?

I agree. How do they go in there and kill a little peanut and the little raccoon? Did you guys follow this story? Yes. Were you horrified? Yes. The young men from the high school are horrified. It made them all Republicans. Okay. A couple more things. Let's see as we wait to see what's going on. Okay. John King.

Let's see, John King, the trajectory we are on is an overwhelming Donald Trump victory in the Electoral College. We agree, John King, we agree. The New York Times needle is now 95% chance Trump wins. New York Times needle on the Electoral College, they're predicting Trump 306 to Harris' 232, and the needle has got Trump winning the popular vote, too, by 1.2%.

I've got to get, they're happy. Looking at some Trump and Make America Great Again hats. I've got to show you this clip because I wanted to do it. I haven't gotten to it.

We've talked about her problems and how she's inauthentic and she might not know who she is. And she tries to be fake inspirational. She's not real inspirational. And there was a clip that came out yesterday, I think, that totally embodies this, where you may have seen it. She tries to get a chant going at her rally in Scranton, Pennsylvania. It doesn't go well. It's sought eight on our sought list. Debbie Murphy, take a listen. No, we don't have it. What do you mean?

Yeah, SOT 8. She failed to start her chant. I'm looking at it from today. Election Day show. Number 8. It's only 1.15 in the morning. Even my team starts dropping balls at this hour. What do you mean she says that? What do you mean you don't know what I got? You know the one I mean. Listen to Debbie. Okay, now I want each of you to shout your own name. Do that.

This isn't it. This isn't it. There's so many painful Kamala clips, they can't find them all. Yes, no, it's a different one where she starts them chanting like, let's go team, let's go team. You guys got it? Yes, we found it, even at 115. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Let's vote. Let's get out the vote. Let's get out the vote. Let's win.

Let's get to work. 24 hours to go. Can you look at these boys? Can you look at them? I think it's a secondhand embarrassment. Is that what you call that? They're all looking down at their shoes. They're horrified. I mean, like, she couldn't get the chant going. It's not chantable. It's just not chantable. It's not chantable, but there's no connection between that audience and their purported leader.

I know I have said before she's the left Sarah Palin, but that is very Tracy Flick. Tracy Flick from Election. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yes. Like, how do I know that name? Tracy Flick, Reese Witherspoon. Like, the girl who was like, I'm going to get it, I'm going to get it, I'm going to get it, I'm going to get it. Nobody wanted her. And that's Kamala. Someone posted a while ago, it was during the primaries, to contrast Trump with DeSantis and some others in terms of just his personality.

charisma and his performance ability but he was at a rally and the lights went out in the arena and everyone's kind of uh you know uncertain and he's like who are these people turn off the lights you know actually i like him better off and they've got the whole crowd turned around so they're applauding and into the fact that the lights were off yeah you know and just trump can do that and some people can't and she's one one of the ones who can't i don't know there's

And I really don't want to keep saying I just have this terrible vision of waking up tomorrow and seeing a blue wave come in. And then this whole show has been irrelevant. And we said all the wrong things because somehow she managed to turn it around. But I mean, no one is predicting that's going to happen. Not not any not CNN, not MSNBC, not Fox, not CNN.

Not Henry, nobody like everybody. Henry Olsen's been absolutely brilliant. I just think I don't know why they can't call the races right now. It's just outstanding vote. There's just too much outstanding in counties that must be blue for them to get there. But I mean, the result seems pretty clear. And I have to say something I've been wanting to say now for weeks, but I didn't want to because I didn't want to jinx it.

I am really looking forward, and I think I speak for my husband, Doug, I am really looking forward to the million thought pieces on why she failed so miserably and how she never should have been chosen and admitting the truth exactly about how this all went down because now the finger pointing in Democratic circles is going to be vicious. Let's just spend a minute talking about that.

Yeah, we hear from a lot of people they thought that was a bad idea all along, right? And that it should have been some open process, competitive process, so she'd have to prove her chops. And, you know, I do think they didn't say it, but clearly the body language and the silence about Kamala right at the beginning from Obama and Pelosi strongly suggests that that's what they wanted.

But it would have been difficult, right? I mean, no fundraising for a unified candidate through the entire convention, maybe an open convention. I think it's really hard for a party to— She took in a billion dollars in a couple—in 100 days. She—whoever they nominated could have done it. They did not need those campaign coffers. Yeah, but it's hard to know that. We know that now, right? But going in— I said it at the time. Yeah. I knew it. Well, you're uniquely prescient. But it was just—

THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO OPEN THE PROCESS. THE GOING WITH SOME FORM OF ORDER RATHER THAN CHAOS IS KIND OF NATURAL THEY WENT FOR THE ORDER. WE WILL HEAR FROM ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED AN OPEN PROCESS. CLEARLY IF SHE HAD HAD TO RUN IN PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES SHE WOULDN'T HAVE SURVIVED.

I mean, I think they... It was a lot of it, yeah. They were like... Rejecting the black woman. Hell no, we cannot... The Democrat Party cannot reject the black woman. And then there was this discussion of, well, what about Michelle Obama? She's a black woman. And Sonny Hostin over on The View was like, we're not interchangeable. And it's like, okay, no one said you're interchangeable, but one of those two people has talent in front of an audience and one does not.

And I just think it was their commitment in the end to identity politics that killed them. Yeah, that was a big part of it. And she may have won in the primaries and caucuses also because they would have been uncomfortable rejecting a black woman. It ran out. The magic bullet that got her straight up the corporate ladder into the DA's office, AG, senator, VP, it had its limit. It hit a steel wall and-

could not propel her to the next step. And they knew it. You know, there was a lot of reporting. That's one of the good things about the result, if this is the result, is that we no longer will watch everyone pretend. Stand by. Fox News just called Pennsylvania for Trump. Whoa. Look at these guys. The guys are happy. Well, it takes them to what, 266? Yeah, that's it. That's it. Why, because of Arizona? Yeah.

Yeah. Well, do they, is Fox called Georgia? No, not yet, but they're going to. Georgia and that's it. Yeah. Georgia. We got to get Henry back. Can somebody get Henry back? Let's get Henry back on. We could be close to this whole thing getting called. We're going to see and raise the students he has behind him with your, uh, your class of interns here. I know exactly right. I, I, I like my class of interns. I feel like they can, they can withstand this test.

I mean, at this rate, if we're like on the precipice of, oh, wow. It's huge. Oh, Fox did call Georgia. Is it just Fox? Wait, if Fox called Georgia, aren't we there? But didn't CNN call Georgia? Hold on. Let's get off of this. Toggling back and forth between CNN and Fox. So if she won Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin. Pennsylvania wins. He's three away. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Wait, so with Georgia, what, did they call Nevada? Did they call Nevada? Is that what you're saying? He could get it with Alaska? Oh, yeah. Yeah? Is that what you guys are saying? He doesn't need another swing. Alaska? That's why. He doesn't need another swing. Because they haven't yet called Alaska. Because it's late, yeah. But he has all the swing states he needs. Holy cow, you guys. He's the next president of the United States. Wow. Wow. He did it. If he won Pennsylvania, he's going to win the other two because he's more ahead than the other two.

May I just say, holy shit. I know. Oh my God. Can I just ask you, I just like, I got all these high school kids here who are, you know, 17, 18 years old. You're not on Mike. So I'll repeat what you say, but why are you so happy? Why, why did you want him to win so badly?

Kamala's terrible? He's our president. He's a real person. He's a real person? You mean he's authentic? It'd be a sad commentary on our country that we are able to pick someone like Kamala to be president. I mean, she's just like, she's a puppet, and it's clear. She's a puppet, and it'd be a sad commentary if we pick somebody like that. You didn't respect her? No, not at all. She didn't win a primary. She didn't win a primary, correct. Trump won't start any new wars, and she will continue all of these wars. Trump won't start any new wars, because if he did, who would have to fight them?

You guys. Yeah, exactly right. Think about it. Yeah, I mean, it's really crazy because I was texting with some friends and we were talking about, you know, the pro-war sort of side of

not even pro-war, I think it would be her incompetence that would get us involved into something. I don't know how much of a hawk she actually is, but I think she's probably controlled by hawks. But it's her incompetence that scares me. She would say something, she would do something. She does not seem like a bright person who could handle herself rhetorically or otherwise. And my friend was saying, you know, yeah, my kid is 18. And I was saying, yeah, my kid is 15. You know, I mean, they're years away and these kids are 18 right here. It's like,

There are real consequences to who's, we kind of laugh about it, right? Like, oh, she's a dope. She can't speak. It's like, no, she is asking us to give her George Washington's job. She's asking us to make her commander in chief. And, oh, wow, Trump is almost 5 million ahead in the popular vote. That's amazing. So how many will she win California by?

Do we know? No, we don't know. But, I mean, at this rate, she's going to win the popular vote. She's going to—sorry, he is going to win the popular vote. He is going to win the electoral college. There is just no way the Republicans are not going to win the House with these kinds of margins. I mean, there is a way. They wouldn't. But it's extremely unlikely. And I will be—I'll use the word—mandate. To do what?

whatever the hell he wants. I know, but that's the question, isn't it? Because he didn't really run on anything. Well, I mean...

Didn't he? No. I don't know. I think Trump promised to... Order, energy. Well, certainly the border. But the border is more of an executive problem. And to roll back regulations. That's executive too, though. The Trump tax cuts are going to expire. Yeah, that's true. And she was not going to renew them for anybody making more than $400,000 a year because she doesn't understand how corporations work. That's fair. That's one big change is they'll now be basically all renewed.

So it was extremely painful to me as a really committed pro-lifer, but you also have to probably conclude that his defensive politics on abortion worked. Yes. They took the edge off of it. Yes. That was another thing I was right on, Rich. Mm-hmm. There you go. No, because it's just, you can't get anything done unless you win elections. Mm-hmm. And I think abortion, I think this is a message for both sides, abortion, it takes a long time to get people there. Mm-hmm.

- It's also a state issue constitutionally. - Thank you. - I'm very pro-life. - No, I know. - And I don't like the way Trump talks about it sometimes, but he's right on this when he says it's not a national issue. It's not. - I know. Where's the thought piece in National Review that makes the point that I've been making on the show, which is it's not a national issue and not only that, but there's not, Congress doesn't have the power to legislate this naturally. - We've had an argument about it. - I've written it. - Okay, good. Send it to me. You guys totally agree. I don't understand why they argued it the way they did. They should have just said,

Not only can we not regulate it nationally with a ban, they can't regulate it. Exactly. You don't want to open the door to that. Otherwise you give them the rhetoric. And she wanted to get rid of the filibuster to let it happen. So the Republicans would do that too. There'd be no minority rights to object. Um,

Oh, really? Okay. Is this what you're calling my attention to? My team wanted me to see a text from Mark Cuban. Congrats, real Donald Trump. You won fair and square. Congrats to Elon Musk as well. Hashtag Godspeed. I mean, I'd like to take that in a nice spirit, but I don't.

Because I don't think it's sincere. What I see there is a businessman who's trying to cozy up to the next commander in chief, president. Sometimes when you're insincere and say the right things, that's better than the alternative. Oh, Rich, you're just a better person than I am. Cynical mofo, like I said. Mark Cuban said one of the weirdest things of the whole campaign, where he said if he actually believed in Harris's tax plan, if he thought that she was going to actually do it, he wouldn't be supporting her. You see that? That he, that...

Oh, yes, exactly. Unrealized capital gains and all that. And what an amazing thing to say for someone you're stumping for. Well, it's News Nation, which has been a little ahead of the curve on some of these things, but they've got some very good people. Donald Trump projected to win presidential race.

Wow. So so every I like kind of emotional about it. Everyone wins the presidency. It's an incredible personal vindication, right? Because there are not many people who do it or ever will do it. But especially with Trump doing it his own way. Now, he was a little more disciplined to listen to his campaign advisors more than usual. But still, this is his own show. And so many people for for not unreasonable reasons thought it's not going to work. He's hurting himself. You know, he's going to blow it at the end.

And he didn't. And instead, he's wiped the floor with the opposition, brought in a strong Senate majority, probably will bring in the House. We'll have to wait to see. So, you know, I mentioned earlier he doesn't like hearing the word should. He's not really not going to want to hear that word now, right, because he's going to think he was right about everything and he did it his own way and it was the detractors who were wrong and discredited.

I, I mean, I think he, he pulled off a miracle. He pulled off a miracle. If you think of how down he was after January 6th, how loathed he was universally almost, you know, very only a core core group stood by him, defended him. And, and,

That same guy who stood up and said fight while he was bleeding from his head was that guy who said, I'm not down and out. I am not giving up. I will be back. It's not over. Scott Pressler tweeting out, Mr. President, I'm pleased to share that we have delivered Pennsylvania for you. Congratulations, sir. Well, it sounds like kind of emotional about it. That guy worked so hard.

Think of all the people who have been out there canvassing for Trump nonstop, like the true loyalists who left it all on the field, you know, gave up his whole life, moved there, you know, knocked on how many, got the Amish out. Yeah. Who gets the Amish? He was probably driving the little buggy. Did you see the buggies, the buggies today with the Trump flag? The buggies with this, I mean, they did the impossible. And I just want to say a word similar to what I said last night at the Trump rally, which

to the people who are feeling upset, to the people who are feeling upset about a Trump victory. Don't. You've been misled.

by this media that hates him. They've been lying to you about who he is. And I will tell you from my own experience from 2016 to now, if you are open-minded to Trump, if you will open your mind, you will see his good qualities. He's not all good. No one is. There's a lot of controversial stuff about Trump. I don't deny that. But I do believe he's earnest in wanting to do good for the country. And I actually think his, quote, narcissism, which every president is a narcissist,

can really work well for the United States of America. Once we are tied to that same ego, we are going to do well as we did under the first four years of Trump. And what I said last night is true. Trump will close the border. He will absolutely reinstitute those executive orders. That's how he did. And he didn't have congressional support last time. This time he might actually be able to pass a law and write it into law to secure our border once and for all. We haven't had that

So we might not have to do it by executive order that can be undone like that, where we have a policy where they have to remain in Mexico while they seek asylum here so that if we deny it, which we should in 98 percent of the cases, they're Mexico's problems, not ours.

where he cracked down on these BS asylum claims, which are being totally abused. If you are in Mexico asking for asylum, why are you coming here? You're fine. You're already in another country. You're no longer in danger. Like they've been used. They just want a better economic opportunity. And I understand that, but that's what legal pathways to immigration are for. Not, not asylum. Um,

Trump will rebuild the wall. He absolutely will resume the start of the border wall and finish the wall. Joe Biden sold off the wall for parts. He sold it off the parts off. I do believe he has a way of stopping the continuing influx. Now, the deportation is going to be a lot harder.

But I believe Trump that he's going to try to go after the murderers and the gang members and get them out. And he's been more humane on the topic of people who are living here, who are married to Americans, who have American children. He's that's a different story, but who are married to Americans. We haven't talked about this much tonight. We talked about the culture stuff, a little of the economy. But this is an enormous issue.

AND IT WAS TOTALLY INSANE FOR JUST IN SHEER POLITICAL TERMS FOR BIDEN TO OPEN UP THE BORDER, RIGHT, LET THIS ONGOING CRISIS ROIL THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, INCLUDING BLUE CITIES, KNOWING, OR AT LEAST HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, HIS LIKELY OPPONENT WAS THIS EXTREMELY --

pungent, populist politician whose signature issue was the border. He did that. And not until the last several months did they realize it was a mistake and they needed to try to backtrack and cover for it. And they did it ineffectually, right? They did it all about this Langford bill that was total BS. It was really about

blessing a lot of these new legal pathways they've created rather than really cracking down on the border. So this is a huge thing. And she didn't get any separation from Biden on this either. It would have been the easiest thing in the world to say, I love Joe, you know, he saved democracy, but I would have been a little tougher. She couldn't even do that and pay the price. Why didn't she? Because

No one would believe her. I think she's more of an open borders person than he is. But why didn't she? She's facile at lying on other subjects. Why not that one? I think it's one, they didn't want to flip-flop on too many things, given how much they... On recent new stuff, given how they're flip-flopping on the stuff from 19 and 20. And, you know, she was always worried about the left, the way Biden was. So I think she was worried if she actually said, we got to stop this, it's wrong, she'd lose people on the left. So she couldn't be...

tough-minded about it. Immigration is the perfect example of the moral imperative issue that I mentioned earlier, where it should be something we negotiate, where you decide how many immigrants do you want? Criteria do we use to admit them? How long do they have to wait before they can become a citizen? What's our asylum policy? And then we shouldn't really have any tolerance for illegal immigration at all. But it has become this...

strange absolute thing where everyone must come in and if you don't agree with that then you're Hitler and you can't once you've said that you can't compromise on it and she knows that if she stands up and says I'm going to do something about this

The closest she got was she said, oh, I support the House bill, right? She was pretending that would enforce the border. It wouldn't have. No. But if she had taken on the left and done the sister soldier thing and said, actually, let's just enforce this, then she'd be denounced in every newspaper. She would also never do that, I think. Truly, this issue has gotten so out of control for the left because this is the legacy of George Floyd.

This is all wrapped up. It's the same thing with Israel versus Palestine. It's brown people good, white people bad. Very true. And we have to atone for our sins because we are still relitigating the civil war and this history of slavery in America.

We now must atone, and everybody who wants to come in, as far as the left is concerned, that's the way to do it. Right, because we stole the country from Native Americans. Exactly. Who do we— I think that's the worldview. It's a moral imperative for them. They think a border is inherently hateful. Yes, and walls are erected in many countries throughout the world. I just want to tell the audience we are awaiting—

President Donald Trump to take the stage down in Mar-a-Lago. He's expected to address his supporters. He's been at Mar-a-Lago all day. And you think about what must be happening in Mar-a-Lago right now. It's Trump, Melania, his family. It is J.D. Vance. It's Vivek. It's Tucker Carlson. It's

It's all the people, Susie Wiles is campaign manager, Chris Lasavita, this woman here who they're showing us on the phone. - Who is that? - I don't know, they're really zeroing in on her. - She seems a little emotional. - It's Tulsi. Just all of the people who helped him, I mean, really helped him because look, the richest man in the world on any given day,

He gets behind you. He's young. He's vibrant. He's exciting. He's sending rockets to outer space. I mean, I saw Elon the day of that all-in summit I referenced earlier. And I had asked him if he would sit with me for an interview, but he couldn't. And we get to the all-in summit, and I realized why he couldn't, because he was launching rockets into the air that afternoon. And I thought, he double-booked himself on the day of a rocket launch? He's here at the all-in summit first? Yeah.

That's Elon Musk, one of the most exciting, vibrant men of our time. I mean, truly, he's the modern-day Thomas Edison. Oh, yeah, no question. And he got behind Donald Trump bigly and started promising us all sorts of things, that he's going to work to find these efficiencies in government, that he believes X will be shut down. He's completely anti-censorship. And by the way, we must spend some time on the disgusting, dishonest, discrediting

discredited media. It's a huge loss for Kamala Harris and it's a huge loss for all of you. The only saving grace for the media is they have Donald Trump to kick around for another four years. Exactly. He will bring their business back. He will bring their ratings back. They will not be thankful. They will participate in the next attempt to kill him, meaning via impeachment, meaning via bad press.

But they failed, Maureen. Does WAPO bleed more subscribers now because they didn't endorse Kamala? Or do they come back because democracy dies in darkness and they must?

They must fight. Abigail, find it. I think it's time for the martini. Oh. Yeah, no, me. You don't drink. Abby, can I have one? Anyone else want another cocktail? Yeah, I'll get another one. Yeah, what do you want? A martini? Gin and tonic? Yeah. Gin and tonic. Tell Doug to do it. He'll do it. Is this legal? No, go get Doug. He'll do it. What do you want, Rich? I'll take a beer if you have one. Yeah, a beer. What do you want? Martini, please. Okay, beer, martini, martini.

- Martini, what was yours? - Martini, two martinis, a gin and tonic, and a beer. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna be so thrilled. Yeah, come on, it's 1:38. If we're awake, Doug has to be awake. Look at that, wow. Just called Minnesota, she won that one. Well, good for her, we're still doing the Royal Tally. Let me give you some of the reaction coming in, okay? Steve Schmidt, should we start with him? - Yes. - Steve Schmidt, he's Never Trumper, Lincoln Project.

Fascism has come to America and as predicted, it is wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. That's pretty good. Okay. That's an old line he stole that. Here's David Frum.

These past few months, my plan for 2025 was to retire from political journalism. Seems I'll have to make new plans. That's unfortunate. That's the first piece of bad news we've gotten in the wake of the Trump victory. Here's from the Babylon Bee with a picture of Kamala Harris. America unburdens itself from what has been. Somebody had to do it. Ben Shapiro, the greatest political story in history.

I like that. It's not just comeback. It's the greatest political story in history. I'm thinking of my friend Justin Wells, who's been working on that Art of the Surge documentary. Think about it. If you are Trump's documentarian right now, they started, I think, in June.

In June, before the meltdown at the debate, before the assassination, they were with him in Butler on the assassination attempt. They've been documenting all this. I saw him at the Trump rally last night and he was saying, you know, if he loses, we're going to have to rethink our title. It's already out. You can find it, by the way, at Art of the Surge. That's the account on Twitter.

But yeah, that's exactly right. Now here's Dave Marcus. Donald Trump's second term is now Nancy Pelosi's legacy. Love it. She's been so cocky about him not getting a second term. There are limits to her powers. You know, she may have gotten rid of Joe Biden, but that was the extent of what she could do. Here's some more. Let's see. Trump, yeah, he's going to address the crowd at the convention center once the election is called. I mean-

I guess it's not officially called? Like, why is it just News Nation? So you need Alaska to close so you can call Alaska? Is that the rule? That's just a formality. Can we get Wisconsin, you know? I do kind of want to hear from Henry again, if you guys can find him. I mean, I know it's secure, but I'd like to hear it from one of our experts, and I'd like him to explain what exactly we're waiting on. Here's Elon Musk. Yeah. Yeah.

You are the media now. He's tweeted it to everybody. Whoa. Incredible. Well, think about it. I mean, can we talk about the realignment here? Because I do think, I'm trying to think about it. Trump won when it was more traditional media running the game in 2016. So it's not like, what'd you say, Steve? Steve Krakauer, what'd you say to me?

Okay. He won, notwithstanding the absence of alternative media back in 2016. Facebook, he used Facebook. Okay, but you know, not like what we have now. But I do wonder what, I'm not trying to be self-aggrandizing because I'm in this lane, you guys are in this lane too, but I genuinely wonder like how important Facebook

was this alternative place to get news in this election because the narratives couldn't get going. And think about like the fact checks in the wake of the debates

All over X. Yeah. Speaking of Elon. What do you think? Well, I think there's a big difference, right? In 2016, although the press was crazy as usual, a lot of what it did was just put a camera in front of him and leave it running. Yes. He was obsessed with it. It would leave it on the empty podium for hours until he showed up. Yep. And so his message was broadcast to lots of people. And they didn't do that this time because they think that's what led him to win the time before. It's a bit like the Hillary email story.

where they just stopped covering anything that was bad for Harris because they think they put Trump in. So probably this time around, Twitter...

I'm not calling it X. And other outlets were probably more important to his victory. But I don't think I helped his victory, Megan, because, you know, I don't like him. No, you don't. I appreciate your honesty. But I do think this time around it probably was very important because the press just decided to starve him. I mean, he was expelled from Twitter under the old leadership while he was president. Yeah.

So you've got two different sort of environments. This time they tried to control it. Last time they actually didn't because they liked the ratings and then they regretted it afterwards. They voted for the middle finger once again. Yep, absolutely. And he's just bigger, you know, being kicked off Twitter. There is, he got less attention for a while because of that. But then he starts his own social media company, right? And so he's just, he's bigger than any media outlet. He's like a media phenomenon online.

on his own. There are people who opposed him in '16, other candidates, who said, well, it was Breitbart and Fox that delivered it to him. And they were key to him in '16.

He's bigger than anyone now. And he's bigger than any outlet and can create his own gravity. Now, that doesn't mean that all the alternative media is not important because it's really important to check and counter the mainstream legacy media and the narrative. So they still get narratives going, but it's harder now. I think my own feeling on it is the more moderate voters, you know, the ones who could have been persuaded to go Kamala's way.

I feel like they do listen to the editors and I feel like they listen to this show and they feel, I feel like they listen to a lot of the shows that are in our lane. And I think with those groups, it makes a difference because the established right wing is going to vote for Trump. There's no world in which they'd vote for Kamala Harris, but the people who are just adjacent,

um, could be persuaded by he's a fascist. He's, he's terrible. He hates women. He hates blacks. He hates Hispanic, whatever the narrative gets out there, bring it on over here, Doug. Thank you. Um, and thank you. This is Doug Mortman. Um, another dog. And, uh,

I think it's important for those people to hear, people they know and respect and read all the time, like you guys say, that isn't true, that you're being lied to. Oh, yeah. An extraordinary amount of lying. Yeah. It's an endless amount of lying. And it's very annoying because sometimes he does things that need to be called out and then they pile five or six layers on top of it. And so to get there, you have to say, well, he didn't do this, but he did do that. Yeah.

And then people sort of tune out. But the lying has just been, we were talking about this on the most recent editors. I mean, the lying has just been extraordinary. They gave up the pretense of wanting to seem truthful. Right. Yeah, and they also, it's even worse than that because what they do is they look to find things that he said that if they take it out of context can be twisted. Like he threatened to kill Liz Cheney? Yeah, that's a good example of it. Jess Garber was still saying that this morning. It drives me crazy. He had this big rant to Charlie's point about how misinformation. Can't wait to watch that show tomorrow morning. Exactly.

I'm waking up early. I don't care what time we go to bed. Go ahead. But his whole rant was about misinformation, how terrible it is. And he had this long count of indictments against Donald Trump. And one of them was that he wants to execute Liz Cheney, which is a lie, a provable lie.

a lie that anyone who pays a slice of it attention knows, he presumably knows and says it anyway. I don't know whether it's just the propaganda feels better or they think it's more powerful. It's not his biggest lie. You know what his biggest lie of this election cycle was. Joe being better than ever? Yeah. Yeah. Do we have that, you guys? Do we have that? I wrote about that. It was so gross. Joe on Joe being, yeah, we got it. We're looking for it. Yeah. Here's interactive polls. Let's see. Yep.

Oh, yeah. So Fox News has called it. They're projecting now officially. Donald Trump has been elected the 47th president of the United States of America. Got your hats on. You got your magazine. Our boys here have got their drum. You got 47, 45 on there? No.

Okay, you got to get the updated hat. You know, do you guys remember, so are you mostly 17 or 18? 17 and 18. Okay, so four years ago, you 17-year-olds, you were 13 years old. Do you remember like when he first, no, so it was eight years ago. What am I saying? It was eight years ago. You were babies. You were like nine and 10. Do you remember how it was considered aggressive to wear the red hat?

I don't know if you guys remember that. Now people can wear it proudly. It used to be considered kind of a middle finger. Yeah, they still go after you though, Megan, because in the World Series, I'm a big Yankees fan, as Rich is, during the World Series in game one, I think there was a girl sitting behind home plate in California wearing the hat. And the press, not the announcers who didn't mention it, but the press on Twitter just would not stop going on about this.

You're kidding me. Oh, no. It was just every journalist was tweeting about it. How dare she wear a hat to a baseball game? They're going to have to get used to it. Look at that. Wow. Donald Trump elected 47th president of the United States. Take that, Grover Cleveland. He did it. He did it. I mean, I don't know. I just think Trump is an extraordinarily strong person. All of the bad things are required qualities in him.

For the good things, you just you have to take the whole package. You just don't get the guy who can stand up to she and say, I'll tear a few. I don't care. I'll do it. And, you know, he will do it or who bomb Soleimani or who make the threat to the Taliban leader or who will shove the leader of Montenegro out of the way so that the United States president can be in the front row. You don't get all those things, which I love without.

All of the douchey things we have to put up with them. I'd much rather have this package like this. I love the package. Fox News calls Wisconsin for Trump. Wow. I mean, he might run the table. He might run them all. Look at these guys. You got to see these young guys, our focus group here. They're so excited. He's at 312 electoral votes. We're heading for landslide. No. Yeah. Oh, OK. Sorry. No, no.

If he ran the table, he would have it, but he might. They haven't mentioned the Senate races in those states. I mean, how can it possibly be? Trump's got coattails. He did in 16. We've seen some of them now. They just seem to be counting a lot more slowly. Come on in. Earlier in the night, the Senate candidates were running a little bit behind Trump. Thank you very much. One gin and tonic. Gracias. Henry's here?

Cheers. Cheers to you, Mr. President. Looking forward to 47. Cheers to you guys. And we'll do another one when Charlie gets his fat. Thanks for having us. Yeah. Cheers. Yay. To Trump. Cheers, you guys. Cheers. They don't have alcohol for their parents listening at home. I can't wait to hear what he says when he gets there.

Is he there? No, he's not. Oh, yeah. Henry, Henry. I want to hear Henry, too. But I meant Donald Trump. Henry, you were right. You were right again. Wait a minute. So just how did he do it? How did he do it? Explain that.

Well, he did it because he put together the coalition that he needed to put together. He appealed to Republicans, he appealed to working class independents, and he didn't let himself get distracted. One of the things that if you were going to listen to the Washington Insiders, it was, oh, go after all these suburban women.

You can't let them get away from you and realize they're not gettable. So instead he went after black men, Latino men. If you look at where Donald Trump traveled in the last six weeks, he barely went to a suburb. He went to communities Republicans rarely go to because that's where his voters were. And he did the job. He took had the message. He went to the places. He ran the issue ads.

He talked to his voters, not the voters that the insiders like to get. And it turns out that's a majority of the country. He went on all these podcasts, right? Joe Rogan is the big gorilla for sure. And then Joe Rogan endorsed him last night. And Joe Rogan is extremely powerful, especially with young men who love his show. And it's by far, I mean, like in podcasting, there's Rogan and then there's the rest of us down. Even those of us who are doing well, it's like there's only one Rogan. Um,

Theo Vaughn. Who else? Sean Ryan, our friend Sean Ryan, who we showed the clip from earlier. J.D. did Rogan. Trump went on like the tour to try to get to young men where they are. Did you guys in the in this studio, did you listen to any of those podcasts? All of them. All of the guys say they listen to all of them. Henry likes that. Henry's laughing at that.

So when you look at the coalition that came together, is it because he got Hispanics, because he got a greater percentage of the black vote? I don't even know if he did get a greater percentage of the black vote than he got last time around, but he certainly got a decent percentage. But the Hispanic vote looks bigger, Henry, no? No.

Oh, absolutely. And this is the thing is it's not just the exit poll that clearly shows he did better with Hispanics. You take a look at where the Hispanics live and you look at Mexican Hispanics in Nevada and Arizona, massive swings. Puerto Rican Hispanics, massive swings. Cuban Hispanics, massive swings. The data support the exit poll. The Latino vote is still majority Democratic, but it is...

much more Republican than it was. And go back to 2016, when supposedly Donald Trump was going to be the person who was going to lose the Hispanic vote to Republicans forever. Instead, by running the playbook that cares about the working class, not the faux concern that the Republican establishment wanted to have, he did better than any Republican has, including George W. Bush.

Wow. Including George W. Bush in Texas. Donald Trump will carry the Rio Grande Valley, which even George W. Bush could not win in his home state 20 years ago. Oh my gosh, it's extraordinary. What happened to the girl power? What happened to the young women who really, really, really want abortion rights through the ninth month?

Well, what it turns out is that a lot of those women will vote for abortion and then vote for Donald Trump. There's always been a sizable contingent of pro-choice Republicans. And the abortion issue is not the killer that Democrats thought it was in 2022. Well, I mean, it kind of is.

It is the killer issue. Sorry. Well, yes. Now, yes. It's the killer policy. Yeah. Look, they wanted to believe that Dobbs is what gave them the midterm. It wasn't, but they wanted to believe that. And they wanted to believe that Dobbs is what was going to turn...

people here. Look, it might have on the margin helped a little bit. It looks like the female vote would be 1% higher than it was before. But the fact is, that's not what they needed. They needed to get people who weren't prioritizing abortion. It's much more important for them to keep

a 24-point lead with Hispanics than to get an extra 1% of women out of the suburbs. They traded the bigger share of the pie for the smaller share of the pie, and Donald Trump was the happy and willing recipient of that gift.

You know, it's funny because even before I went down to Pittsburgh last night to speak, they definitely were like, you know, they weren't censoring remarks. They were like really not looking for a big hit on abortion. Like if you're looking for a focus for your remarks, would appreciate if that's not it.

And they were getting smarter on message discipline. Like, we're not winning on this issue. We don't want to highlight this issue. And I was like, oh, you know, I have... They cut all your ethnic jokes too. Yeah, they cut out my... I had a great one in Puerto Rico. Hey, Puerto Rico. No, they said no.

And in any event, they started to get more disciplined and started to understand that this to your point, Henry, even though they've got defenses on this, that they it wasn't worth it. It wasn't a smart campaign strategy. And that that doesn't come from Trump. We know message discipline does not come from Trump. That's his team telling him, sir, as he would say, sir, sir, stop hitting the abortion thing.

And to Rich's point earlier, though, to Trump himself did moderate on abortion and understood very early on. We should not be the pro-life far right party on this. This is only only bad things can come from that at this point.

Yeah, look, I was talking to pro-life people before Dobbs and saying, you have to be prepared for the fact that is 60% or so of Americans want abortion in the first trimester. And what happened was the pro-life movement wasn't prepared. And by the time Donald Trump came around, it had grown to about 66%. And Donald Trump recognized, I can't win an election by fighting an issue where one third of the people agree with the pro-life side. So we didn't fight that.

And what it turns out is that Democrats could not pin him on that issue because he didn't take the extreme pro-life position. And that made him palatable to people who are pro-life but cared more about other issues. And they said, yeah, I mean, pro-choice, they're going to be pro-choice on abortion.

And they care about the economy and they care about the border and they care about strength. And they voted for Donald Trump because abortion wasn't the issue, except for the Democratic base, which, oh, by the way, Kamala Harris already had. Mm hmm. What do you make of the young people who are voting today, Henry? Because it does not look like a runaway candidate.

group for Kamala Harris, which is, you know, the young people, they always go Democrat. But like my focus group here in my studio, these boys are saying no, no. Yeah, they did not. They did not necessarily turn out for her. At least did it. Was there a gender split there? I haven't looked at the exit polls in a while.

I haven't looked at the exit polls on that issue. There may very well have been. But look, the thing to remember about the young generation, it is the most non-white and the most Latino generation. When people in the Washington world or the New York media world tend to think about whites, they tend to think about, oh, yeah, the college-educated white, just like my kids. No, the typical 18 to 24-year-old is a Latino graduate of a high school.

That's why they didn't carry the young vote, because Donald Trump talked to them. And the podcast may have been vehicles to get to them, and that was a brilliant technique, but it's the message, not the medium. And Donald Trump had a message that appealed to the real 18 to 24-year-old voter, which is,

the Latino worker, the black worker, the Asian worker, the white person who's never going to go to college or is going to drop out after three months because they find out it's not for them, just like my parents did 60 years ago.

That's a majority of this country. It's the non-white population of this country. Donald Trump and his team understood that, which is something that the media-driven Democratic Party and the woke, progressive-driven Democratic Party not only could not, but would not understand.

So, Henry, do I understand you to have been saying a little earlier on the suburban vote, had Democrats basically tapped out on suburban women? So that's why it just there just weren't more votes to get there? Right. See, the dirty little secret of the campaigns in the last few years is that the reason Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton was not the woman vote that we've been hearing about for eight years. It was the men.

Independent men voted for Trump in 2016. Independent women voted for Hillary. The reason the Democrats did well in the next few cycles is independent men joined the women. I will guess without having looked that the independent men went back to Trump in this election. We got to pull over that ad, the absurd ad, you guys. Do we have it where the wife lies to the husband about who she voted for? Like, they're going to pull it over.

A few things spell out their ineptitude at trying to reach out to new voters, female or male. I mean, I don't know the woman or the man who found that appealing, but their final message was so desperate. If you look back, you think about it, we were starting to get the pieces like that Tim Alberta piece in The Atlantic about how there's terrible infighting on the Trump camp. And maybe there is, like these things are always full of palace intrigue, right? Like, oh, this one's pissed that they're not more powerful. They're trying to like,

There's a coup amongst the administrative staff or who's going to be in charge. But I mean, there's no question we're now going to get the pieces on how inside her campaign is.

There was viciousness at every level. Go ahead, Charlie. I was just going to say something I haven't seen anyone comment on is that they tried to have it both ways. So they ran the ads. The message was, if you are a woman, know that the voting booth is private and your husband can't see so you can do what you want. But they ran a second message and they really pushed this yesterday and today, which was, if you're a man voting, you've got to go and vote as if your wife's looking over your shoulder. You see this?

Well, there was a cartoon with the guy who was voting and his daughter says, who are you voting for? And he says, you. And then there was the message that they were pushing out this morning that was go and vote for your mother or your grandmother and your children, your daughter. Well, you can't have both those things. You can't say on the one hand, it's a private vote. It's up to you. Don't be pressured into it. And...

And we're watching you do the right thing by women, right? It's just crazy. Here is the ad that I found so repulsive. Here it is. Your turn, honey. In the one place in America where women still have a right to choose, you can vote any way you want and no one will ever know. Did you make the right choice? Sure did, honey. Remember, what happens in the booth stays in the booth. Julia Roberts.

With the narration. Oh, that was her. That was her. Of course it was her. I didn't realize that. Such a nightmare. And of course they depict the Republican guy as some gross, forgive me, actor who played a Republican man. Don't go away, Henry. You're part of our panel now. As some gross, unattractive, weird, oh, nice, champagne, Abigail Finan and Steve Krakauer, everybody, the EP of The Megyn Kelly Show. Yay, let's hear it for Steve. Yay. Yay. Yay.

You guys, too. You should have some. Yeah, you need to have some, Steve. As the gross, disgusting ogre, right, who's not only unattractive, again, forgive me, actor, but who's controlling and threatening. Looks...

excuse my language, kind of like a pedophile, right? Really? This is that. The other thing that is so offensive about that ad is we have known for decades that women run American households. Women decide where the kids go to school, what kind of car you buy, where you live, major purchases. So the idea that we're now somehow retrograde in our voting choices for what would be the first female president is

is so offensive and it just speaks to how schizophrenic, undisciplined, and desperate this campaign began, or became rather, in its later days. It's funny, my wife has said the same thing to me twice now. She said it in 2016 and she said it with this election. She said, I would love to have a female president, just not that one. And it's just so bizarre to me that that gets interpreted as internalized misogyny or whatever nonsense. Oh, I'm sick of that bullshit. She just didn't want

either of those people. I kind of wish just for the sake of putting the misogyny thing to bed that they'd come up with a decent female candidate. We got Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris, both of whom had the same flaws. I mean, in this respect, Trump got very lucky. I mean, he did. He ran against two of the least popular figures in the Democrat Party that he could. And I have to say, we talked a little bit about Barack Obama earlier. Look, the liquor is just piling up. Now we've got the champagne. We've got you've got the

We got a gin and tonic. We got two martinis. We're having a good time. Thank God, Henry. Do you have a drink? Unfortunately not. I'm back in my room. They don't have alcohol. Could you just call down and have them bring up a gummy or something? We are awaiting President Trump, both the 45th and soon to be the 47th president of the United States. He did it. The greatest political comeback of all time.

I can't wait to hear what he has to say. I can't wait to hear his framing of it and to see his face and to hear his voice and to check his mood and whether he's feeling the jubilation that, you know, his supporters are. Everybody works so hard for him. What was I saying? I don't remember. I have a question for Henry. Yeah, Charlie, jump on in there. So, Henry, what did cause the lack of a red wave in the midterms? You said Dobbs was sort of at the edge but wasn't the main...

part of it. I think I've assumed it was more of more of it than you implied. I didn't see a whole lot of proof that abortion really moved voters, that DOPs really moved voters. I think what it was, was they weren't willing to take the jump that Biden

convinced them to give him two more years to fix it. And what you had was a series of candidates that were running for high profile offices who frankly weren't ready for prime time. And so between the bizarre candidates or the not ready for prime time candidates and a bunch of people who are historically been Democrats who thought,

I'm not ready to take the jump yet. In 2022, the biggest thing was the 10% of people who somewhat disapproved of Biden, that historically in midterms, those always voted for the out party by at least 20 points. In 2022, they voted for the Democrats by four points. You switch those

and we were talking about a red, we'd have the red wave that we thought we were going to get. And I think what it was was people right at the end who were traditionally Democrats or not leaning Republicans said, I'm gonna give them another chance. And they had two years, they blew the chance, and the Latino wave that many thought would happen in 2022 happened tonight. The black small but real movement that we thought was gonna happen in 2022 happened tonight.

And the fact is they could talk to their old constituency, the suburban women who might have liked Romney, but aren't really with the movement in a conservative populist way. But guess what? They already have them.

And so the people who actually gave them the victory in 2022, they drove away by actually not understanding why they won them. They continued to talk about the things that never that they never cared about. And I suspect we'll find that the trans issue really mattered, that on the margin, these people may not be religious in the sense that they're going to church, but they're culturally not progressive. And the idea of transitioning kids is gross to them.

Right on. It's abusive. It's disgusting. It should be criminal. I want to give a shout out to Pennsylvania. NBC News finally calls Pennsylvania for Trump. CNN finally calls Pennsylvania for Trump. Trump won Pennsylvania. The state of the election is Trump's

And well beyond. I mean, I've lost track now of the numbers. It's the martini, but I deserve it. I'm not sorry. But can I just say I'm so grateful to those to those hard hat wearing guys who showed up at that Trump rally in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, you did this. It's the it's the working class of America, the forgotten men of America who brought this election home.

Screw you, J-Lo and Beyonce and all you bitches who will never have to live with the consequences of your stupid ass decision. These guys who showed up and stood there for hours to see Trump in their hard hats with their bellies and their tats and their muscles and their beards. That's America. Those are our guys.

You know, whether these guys here in the studio, they go to a lovely private school and they're going to go on to some of the best colleges in the nation. And these guys have a solidarity with those guys.

you know, a commonality, a common mission, a common understanding of what matters in America and what would get you to stand in a four hour line to vote for one guy. And Trump gets that. That's one of the greatnesses of Trump. He gets it. He understood those guys. He understands you guys. He's this weird combo of like kind of elite born with a silver spoon, but also working like connection with a working man because he grew up in New York city construction. He dealt with these guys his entire life.

And he's a New Yorker. You know, like that's part of Trump's crassness, really. And frankly, mine, too. New Yorkers is complicated. Anyway, what was I saying? Keep going.

I don't do a lot of drinking on the air and it's really late. Anyway, we're still waiting on official Senate calls. We're still waiting on the House. We actually don't officially know. I mean, yes, the Senate has been projected for Republicans, but not the House. God forbid the Democrats do win the House. It's going to be a very tumultuous couple of years. I mean, I don't think that's going to happen. Does anyone think that? Henry, do you think that's going to happen?

Yeah, the House is going to take longer to call mainly because of California. There's five targeted seats out there, and it's going to take a long time, weeks, for them to count those votes. I think that the Republicans will hold the House. Donald Trump is on the verge of winning the popular vote. I think that what you're going to see is the Republicans hold the House and probably gain a couple of seats. I stick by what I said in my prediction. If Donald Trump

wins the popular vote or Harris wins by a point or so, that the Republicans gain a couple of seats, you know, three to seven seats on the 221 that they came into the election with. It's just going to take a couple of weeks for us to get there.

Practically, physically, why does it take three, four weeks to count votes in California when it doesn't in other places? Charles is mad. No, I just never understood this. People say it's a fact of the universe, but I've never understood why.

It makes no sense. They don't staff up properly. They don't move quickly. You know, Arizona can count votes in four days. Utah can count votes in five days. Washington can do it. Why California takes three weeks pretty uniformly up and down the state is simply mind-boggling. But there's no reason to do it other than that from the top down. They encourage lassitude, sloth, and incompetence.

All right, wait, can I just say one other thing? I just want to say, I forgot to finish my point. I'm tired and I'm also drinking. But I want to say this is to continue my remarks to the people who feel sad about Trump getting elected. I want you to know this. A couple of other points. The trans insanity is going to get under control under Donald Trump. I can't say end because there are still...

institutions that have been captured, but it is going to get under control under Donald Trump. And that's a number one is title nine. Title nine was what led me Biden's changes to it for the first time in my entire journalism career to say who I was going to vote for for president. That was the day I crossed that imaginary line. And the next imaginary line was crossed when I decided to speak at a Trump rally, which my friend Rich Lowry said, you should do it.

which I really appreciated. 'Cause we talked about it. It was like, well, this is a new line, you know? And he said, you should do it. And I did it and I'm not sorry. And I'm actually really happy now. But anyway, Title IX was rewritten by Biden-Harris and it not only allowed boys into girls' sports, I mean, up and down the line, it's K through 12, K through college, not K through 12, K up and down the line.

allowing boys into girls' sports, but mandating that they be allowed, mandating that they be allowed in girls' spaces, bathrooms and locker rooms. They've been slowly eroding girls' rights and parents' rights to object to it by saying you can't use your...

The actual pronouns you have to you must use preferred pronouns or you violated human rights laws. Biden Harris has been doing all of this trying to erode our those laws won't stand up. They may not mandate speech. That is totally contrary to the First Amendment. But that's going to be all undone now. And by the way, for you boys sitting here, you're going to go off to college. Raise your hand if you're a senior.

Okay, so we've got two out of the five. We had like 12, 13. Two out of the five are seniors. When you go off to college next year, I'm sorry to take the room down, but under the Biden-Harris administration, Title IX has been changed so that if you hook up with a girl and God forbid something happens where she decides she wants to accuse you of some improper behavior, you have no due process rights thanks to Biden-Harris. You're done. You are completely effed if a girl just makes an accusation, which is going to lead you to be like scared to death

dare I say squirrels, on campus, you're going to be terrified. That's one of the ironies, right? The supposed fascist, it was his administration that restored due process rights. Just basic due process. Right, and the Biden folks...

Undid it again? Undid it, yeah. But breaking news on my Ring app, you know, where neighbors can say weird stuff that's going on. Someone just put a message on there 10 minutes ago. Does anyone hear loud bangs? It sounds like fireworks somewhere in the neighborhood. So this is someone who's obviously not politically plugged in that...

realize someone realized folks realize that Trump just won and probably like these guys right here setting off setting off fireworks. That's what they'll do when they leave the studio here. You guys will remember this like I remember 1976 as a kid you were not born. I wasn't. You were with me.

Right? Do you remember 1976? I don't really remember 76. 80 is more my... You don't remember 70? I keep saying it was 17. I'm not 200 years old. In 1976, we had the bicentennial and we went outside and we banged the pot

Did you not do that in Virginia? By the way. My first political memory, by the way, is Nixon resigning. I remember a neighbor coming and either telling me I should go inside and watch the resignation or watch Ford getting inaugurated. My brother had that same thing. This is a small thing, but... Are you referring to your gin and tonic? No. It wasn't a small thing when I started it, but it's a small thing now, having drunk most of it. No, the...

250th anniversary of the United States is in two years. And one of the questions was who would be president. So I guess now we know the answer. Wow. Yeah, exactly right. I'm thrilled about that. Yeah, I remember. I mean, as a little girl, I was five and my parents bring me outside and we were banging the pots and pans and it was like, I didn't totally appreciate it. But now I get it. My brother remembers he's five years older than I am.

my Nana sitting in front of the TV for Nixon resignation and for the moon landing. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, huge. - You need to watch this. I wasn't around yet. - Yeah, that's when you can really have collective events in the way you don't so much now. Occasionally you do. - What was the last big one where we all watched? Say again, Steve, is he there? Is he coming out? No, not yet. - It's a super big one.

What is it? Is this like the Super Bowl? I don't know, Henry. What do you remember? What was your big childhood event? Did your parents make you watch the moon landing? Me? This didn't have to make me. I followed it religiously. I was like crazy about the space program. You know, I named my teddy bear after Frank Borman that had astronauts on the Apollo 8 mission. I'm a little older than you are. I'm beginning to really get to know you.

This is so unbranded. All right, Henry, let me ask you a question as we await President Trump. How did you get it so right and all these other pollsters got it so wrong?

I listen to the data. I mean, Rich and Charlie know who I am, know what I do. Rich was very kind enough to print my predictions from 2010 through 2018. I pay a lot of attention to data. Other people watch Yellowstone. I'm looking at precinct data and polling data, and I follow it. I don't let my prejudices get in the way. That's all it takes. I feel like that describes...

so much of like even my own journalism career, like when they sent me down to cover the UVA, the Duke lacrosse case. Where the story takes you. Just keep an open mind. That's what Brit Hume said. If you keep an open mind, and that's when I read that Ann Seltzer poll, I don't know her at all. I don't mean to disparage her, but I thought my gut tells me this is a woman with an agenda who cannot...

envisioned Donald Trump winning again. And the abortion thing is very important to a lot of women. And she magically saw a bunch of older women who were going to come out of the woodwork to say no. I mean, older women, like all the even the intimations had been it'll be younger women who speak on this. But she's a little older. And like, that's what happens, Henry, right? People inadvertently or advertently let their biases get in their way. Yes. There's not just the left thing.

Sorry, keep going. It's something that you just have to control for. And it is so easy. You know, like in the Romney campaign. I don't know whether you were getting spun by the insiders, but a lot of people were. And they said, Romney's going to win by five points. He's going to win by all this stuff. I knew Romney was not going to win.

Okay, well, you and I were, you know, I, Rich published my prediction in the pages of National Review that said Romney's not going to win. And I was accused of spreading fear porn. And I only missed one state, the closest state, Florida, because the data were there. But the Romney people let their...

biases affect their interpretation and they thought they were going to win. And they told everybody that. I think with the Seltzer poll, as Henry, I think, was mentioning a while ago, maybe bad sample, right? So maybe she's not guilty. But the way the media picked up on it and ran with it and wanted to make this a reality was the real disgrace there. Yeah, and if you look at the choices that were made in media coverage in the last three days, there was almost nothing on the jobs report.

Nothing. Oh, yeah, right. Which is $12,000, 10 times lower than expected. Right. And that's really important. And if it had been the other way around, if the incumbent had been a Republican, that would have been a five-alarm fire. Yeah, that's right. And they do the same with polling, right? And the fake, we haven't talked about the mystery apostrophe either. The mystery apostrophe. People really should have been on the Dem side and apostrophe for Halloween. Yeah. Yeah.

I went as a trash bag. One person in the Biden-Harris operation that has integrity is the White House stenographer, right? God bless that person or their boss. I don't know. One of them decided to leak that story. It was clearly from them. It was amazing to watch. All right. Now, wait a minute. I want to show you something extraordinary. Look at this picture. If you're not listening, if you're not watching his show, go to YouTube.com slash Megyn Kelly and watch it.

Look at this picture. Trump tweeted it out. Yeah, you guys can come around. You can look at it. Come around. It's another Hopper painting. It's Trump. Eric Trump tweeted it and it just reads 47. It's Donald Trump reading something.

In front of, see, Charlie knows culture. He's British by birth. He's now an American citizen. What's your reference? That's a Hopper painting. Another one. Look at it. What's another? What was the first one? The McDonald's moment through the window. Oh, okay, okay. Now I got it. Oh, you're saying it could be a Hopper painting. Got it, got it. Well, it's not a literal one, I imagine. Yeah. Look at that. Trump lit up in front of a mirror reading something. Maybe results? Yeah.

I feel like it's so... What do you think? You love it? It's his speech. Yeah. This guy's been... Oh, that's sweet. It's beautiful. Say our boys. You love that? Which would you rather have a signed copy of? That one or the one of him in the McDonald's? Oh, the fist. The McDonald's? You take the McDonald's. How about would anybody take garbage?

No, and no takers for garbage. No. Yeah, McDonald's was the bomb. You guys ever worked at McDonald's? No, it's a no. Oh, I heard that on the editors. You know all the fries, you know everything? I know everything. I did every job there, but they eventually put me on the window because I was gregarious. But yeah, I worked there for two years. What led to the end?

of mcdonald's oh i decided to go i decided to go back to school i i left school because i hated school what i thought you went to cambridge or oxford i did but i did i left school school not not college i left high school don't do this but um i walked out yeah i got really annoyed when i was 50 and i didn't go for two years what yeah i went to mcdonald's instead and then i decided i wanted to do something else wait a minute i never put this together

You, in between high school and college, you took two years off to work at McDonald's and then you went to Oxford? Correct. So let's go deeper like we did with Henry. What did you name your teddy bear? Like we did with Henry. It wasn't after McDonald's. Yeah, I did. How did you get into Oxford from McDonald's? It was an odd application.

And I went back to school for a year and did well, but I had to catch up. You see, boys, if it doesn't work out for you on your college applications, then you're good. So can I tell you, so our sons go to the same school. I never say we go to school because I don't want weird freaks to come find my children. But the day that that Fieldston Ethical Culture put out that memo saying you can have the day off if you're upset over...

whomever may win, PS it's Trump. Our school put out a memo, our head of school put out the greatest memo, which was basically I'll summarize, you'll go to school, you won't share your politics with the children, you'll take that out in your personal life, thanks. That's it, that's all that's required, right? Isn't it so great to be at a school that doesn't push its politics on you, right?

We fled these New York City schools because we were getting exactly opposite. It's just wonderful to be at a place that does not do that crap. But you mark my words, tomorrow, the next day, we're going to have stories of teachers breaking down, Hitler won. And serious protests and maybe some violence. Well, don't you think Antifa and George Soros are making a lot of calls right now? What do you think is going to happen there?

I mean, Washington, D.C. has been boarded up for a reason, right? There'll at least be—there are big protests in 16 after he won the election, so I'd expect the same this time, wouldn't you? Mm-hmm, yes. How you doing, Abigail? Fine, then. Are we going to open that or stare at it? Yeah, are you going to open it? Come on, why don't you show the people who you are? No, like, show them who you are. Show them your face. No, hang on. I'm going to—

She's worried about her camera. I told Steve about opening that, so I was like, I don't drink. You should be opening that. Somebody should open that. One of you guys. One of you guys should open that. Say again? Say again, Steve Kierkegaard? Well done! Oh, is it a clip? Look at her go. So Abigail doesn't drink, but can I tell you, it's a real, it's a brave move for her to be out here with you, Charlie Cook. Do you want to tell them why? No. Because he's the same age as you are. Oh, oh, I don't even want to talk about that. I like try to black that.

But I have done like a 500th of what you have done in your life and it's very depressing. She's upset with your brilliant commentary because you're the same age. It makes me sing. Oh good. So,

And I'm like, well, I'm like, that works the best. No, not true. Am I in danger right now? Have you got a knife in your hand? No. I'm actually very sweet. Very sweet. She's Minnesota nice. But Abigail Finney could get a marching band to your house for Fourth of July. Oh. And you couldn't do that. No. No. Everybody has their incredible skills. We're the same age, and it's just so sad. Okay. Now, Steve Krakauer. Well, cheers to you.

Yeah, cheers to you. There's another round of drinks. Cheers. That'll help your goals, Maureen. Yes, it will. Cheers, guys. Cheers. Are you feeling any sort of happiness even though you don't like Trump? I don't like Trump, but I really hate her. So I was like, at the beginning, one of them's going to lose. I'll feel good about that. And I think we're headed for...

53, maybe 55 Senate seats. And that's enormous. That was what I really wanted. That's worth toasting. Also, Florida, as I said, Amendment 4 went down. Amendment 3 went down. Massive sweep in the state legislature. Yeah, I'm happy. All right. I'm going to let Henry go. But first, I've got to ask you this, Henry. What is the message to the pollsters of America? Quickly. Oh, because Trump's coming. Many of the pollsters.

Most of the pollsters got it right. The ones that didn't, I would say re-examine your assumptions. The country obviously had moved to the right. This is the first presidential election since the Great Depression where the Republican Party has the plurality support. Henry Olsen, you're amazing. Thank you so much. You've been terrific. And now, former President Donald Trump.

President-elect Donald Trump with his beautiful wife Melania, his giant son Barron, and all of the Trump children who have been with him every step of the way. I'm seeing a shining scene.

The song by Lee Greenwood, which he uses at every rally, used at the RNC. They played it at my citizenship ceremony. They played it at my citizenship ceremony. And they played the video. Clearly means a lot to him. Eric Trump, such a great guy. So loyal to his dad, running the Trump organization, which has also been targeted. Kai Trump, Trump's granddaughter, who spoke at the RNC.

Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House. Wow. What must he be feeling right now? J.D. Vance, the next Vice President of Ivanka. Cheers. Thank you very much. Wow.

Well, I want to thank you all very much. This is great. These are our friends. We have thousands of friends in this incredible movement. This was a movement like nobody's ever seen before. And frankly, this was, I believe, the greatest political movement of all time. There's never been anything like this in this country and maybe be. And now it's going to reach a new level of importance because we're going to

help our country heal. We're gonna help our country heal. We have a country that needs help, and it needs help very badly. We're gonna fix our borders. We're gonna fix everything about our country. And we made history for a reason tonight, and the reason is going to be just that. We overcame obstacles that nobody thought possible, and it is now clear that we've achieved the most incredible

Look what happened. Is this crazy? But it's a political victory that our country has never seen before. Nothing like this. I want to thank the American people for the extraordinary honor of being elected your 47th president and your 45th president. And every citizen, I will fight for you, for your family and your future. Every single day, I will be fighting for you. And with every breath I take,

in my body. I will not rest until we have delivered the strong, safe, and prosperous America that our children deserve and that you deserve. This will truly be the golden age of America. That's what we have to have. This is a magnificent victory for the American people that will allow us to make America great again. Oh, we're going to win.

And in addition to having won the battleground states of North Carolina -- I love these places -- Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, we are now winning in Michigan, Arizona, and Nevada, and Alaska, which would result in us carrying at least 315 electoral votes. But it's much easier doing what the networks did or whoever called it.

because there was no other path. There was no other path to victory. We also have won the popular vote. That was great. I was proud of it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Winning the popular vote was very nice, very nice, I will tell you. It's a great feeling of love. We have a great feeling of love in this very large room.

with unbelievable people standing by my side. These people have been incredible. They've made the journey with me, and we're going to make you very happy. We're going to make you very proud of your vote. I hope that you're going to be looking back someday and say that was one of the truly important moments of my life when I voted for this group of people beyond the president, this group of great people. America has...

given us an unprecedented and powerful mandate. We have taken back control of the Senate. Wow, that's great. And the Senate races in Montana, Nevada, Texas, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. We're all won by the MAGA movement. They helped so much.

And in those cases, every one of them, we worked with the senators. They were tough races. And, I mean, the number of victories in the Senate was absolutely incredible. And we did teller rallies. We did teller rallies with each one of them. And sometimes we did two or three for... And it was amazing to look at all of those victories. Nobody expected that. Nobody. So I just wanted to thank you very much for that. And we have...

You have some great senators and some great new senators. And it also looks like we'll be keeping control of the House of Representatives. And I want to thank Mike Johnson. I think he's doing a terrific job. Terrific job. I want to also thank my beautiful wife, Melania, First Lady, who has the number one bestselling book in the country. Can you believe that?

Now, she's done a great job. Works very hard. Works very hard to help people. So I just want to thank her. But I want to thank my whole family, my amazing children. And they are amazing children. Now, we all think our children. Everybody here thinks their children are amazing. But that's a good thing when you think they are. But Don, Eric, Ivanka, Tiffany, Barrett, Laura, Jared, Kimberly, Michael, thank you all. What a help. What a help.

My father-in-law, Victor, is tremendous. And we miss very much Melania's mother, Amalia. We miss Amalia, don't we, huh? She would be very happy right now, standing on this stage. She'd be so proud. She was a great woman, that one. Beautiful inside and out. She was a great woman. I want to be the first to congratulate our great, now I can say, Vice President-elect of the United States, J.B. Bush.

And his absolutely remarkable and beautiful wife, Usha Bez. And he is a feisty guy, isn't he? You know, I've said, go into the enemy camp. And you know, the enemy camp is certain networks. A lot of people don't like to, sir, do I have to do that? He just goes, okay. Which one? CNN, MSDNC? He'll say...

All right, thank you very much. He actually looks like -- he's like the only guy I've ever seen. He really looks forward to it, and then he just goes in absolutely obliterate step. Say a couple of words. Well, Mr. President, I appreciate you allowing me to join you on this incredible journey. I thank you for the trust that you placed in me. And I think that we just witnessed the greatest political comeback in the history of the United States of America.

And under President Trump's leadership, we're never going to stop fighting for you, for your dreams, for the future of your children. And after the greatest political comeback in American history, we're going to leave the greatest economic comeback in American history under Donald Trump's leadership. Thank you very much. He's turned out to be a good choice. I took a little heat at the beginning, but he was, I knew the brain was a good one, about as good as it gets.

And we love the family, and we're gonna have a great four years, and we're gonna turn our country around, make it something very special. Lost that... lost that little... And lost that little, uh... that little thing called "special." We have to make it so. We're gonna make this so great. It's gonna... It's the greatest country and potentially the greatest country in the world by far, and right now, we're gonna just work very hard to get all of that back.

We're going to make it the best it's ever been. We can do that. We just, if we had to wait longer, I don't know. It was going bad and it was going bad fast. We're going to have to seal up those borders and we're going to have to let people come into our country. We want people to come back in, but we have to, we have to let them come back in, but they have to come in legally. They have to come in legally. Let me also express my tremendous gratitude

appreciation for Suzy and Chris, the job you did. Suzy, come Suzy, come here. Come here, Suzy. Chris, come here, Chris. Suzy likes to stay sort of in the back, let me tell you. The ice baby, we call her the ice baby. Chris, come here, Chris. Suzy likes to stay in the background. She's not in the background. Come here, Suzy.

This was unexpected, but I just want to thank, obviously, President Trump for this journey. It was a great one. And he's a hell of a candidate. And he's going to be a hell of a great 47th president. And this team that we had, the best team. And, of course, even my boss, Susie Wiles, the best. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you, Susie. Look at her. I've never seen her be shot before. Susie.

They've been -- they're great. Everybody up here is great. Everybody up here is very special. But the Trump -- who did you say? Oh, let me tell you, we have a new star. A star is born, Elon. Now he is -- now he's an amazing guy. We were sitting together tonight. You know, he spent two weeks in Philadelphia and different parts of Pennsylvania campaigning

You know, he sent the rocket up two weeks ago, and I saw that rocket, and I saw it coming down. I saw it. It was -- When it left, it was beautiful, shiny white. When it came down, it didn't look so pretty. It was going 10,000 miles an hour, and it was burning like hell. I said, "What happened to your paint job?" He said, "We've never made a paint that could withstand that kind of heat." And -- But I saw it come down and turn around.

And it was -- you know, it's like 22 stories tall, by the way. It looks a little smaller than that, but it's big. And it came down and down, and you saw that fire burning. And I'm saying, "Only Elon can do this. It must be an Elon." And I tell the story. I told it last night. I had a man on the phone. I had the screen muted, no sound. I was talking to a very important man, happens to be here, and a very important guy, one of the most important people in

I would say the country, actually. But, you know, I was president, and now it looks like I was going to be maybe president again, so I figured I could ask him to hold. So I asked him to hold. And because -- especially because you're going to be president again, they hold. So I took the phone down, and I'm looking at the screen. I'm seeing this crazy thing that's going around and coming down. It looks like it's going to crash into the gantry.

And I said, "Oh, no!" And they said, "Do me a favor. Do you mind holding for a couple of minutes? I want to see this." I thought it was a "Space Age" movie or something. I put the phone down. Bad boy, I didn't pick it up for 45 minutes, and he was holding.

But this spaceship came down, and I saw those engines firing, and it looked like it was over, it was gonna smash. And then I saw the fire pour out from the left side, and it put it straight, and it came down so gently, and then it wrapped those arms around it, and it held it. And just like you hold your baby at night, your little baby. And it was a beautiful thing to see, and I called Elon, I said, "Elon,

"Was that you?" He said, "Yes, it was." I said, "Who else can do that? Can Russia do it? No. Can China do it? No. Can the United States do it other than you? No. Nobody can do that." I said, "That's why I love you, Elon. That's great." And you know, when we had the tragic Hurricane Helene,

And it hit -- in particular, it hit North Carolina. They were really devastated. The water -- this was a big water -- as big as we've ever seen, water hurricane. It built lakes out of nothing. Fields became lakes. And the danger was unbelievable. And the people from North Carolina came to me, and they said, "Would it be possible -- at all possible -- for you to speak to Elon Musk? We need Starlink." I said, "What's Starlink?" "It's a form of communication." So I called Elon.

And I'll tell you what, he had -- and it was very dangerous. People would die. They had no communication. All the wires were down. I called Elon Musk. I said, "Elon, you have something called Starlink. Is that right?" "Yes, I do." "What the hell is it?" He said, "It's a communication system that's very good." I said, "Elon, they need it really, really badly in North Carolina. Can you get it?" He had that there so fast. It was incredible. So... And it was great. It saved a lot of lives. He saved a lot of lives.

But he's a character. He's a special guy. He's a super genius. We have to protect our geniuses. We don't have that many of them. We have to protect our super geniuses. I want to thank some of the guys. You know, we have up here today the U.S. Open champion. He's fantastic. I'll be slightly longer than me. It's a little bit longer than me. Just a little bit. Bryson DeChambeau is up here someplace. What happened to Bryson? Where is he? Bryson. Oh, he was shot.

He's hitting balls. Oh, he's on the way. He's hitting balls. Bryson. Oh, look at him. He had a great -- he's got a great career going. Great U.S. Open, Bryson. That's a fantastic job. And we also have a man, Dana White, who has done some good. He's that tough guy. So, Dana started UFC.

And he came to me, "Do you mind if I use your..." Nobody wanted to give him a rinse because they said it's a rough sport, a little rough. And I helped him out a little bit and I went and I said, "This is the roughest sport I've ever seen,

I began to like it, and he loved it. And nobody's done a better job in sports. And, you know, he's a very motivational kind of a guy, what he does. He gets these fighters, and they really go at it. And it's become one of the most successful sports enterprises anywhere at any time. It's doing so well. I'd like to ask Dana just to say a couple of words, because people love to hear from him. Dana, please. Thank you.

Nobody deserves this more than him and nobody deserves this more than his family does. This is what happens when the machine comes after you. What you've seen over the last several years, this is what it looks like. Couldn't stop him. He keeps going forward. He doesn't quit. He's the most resilient, hardworking man I've ever met in my life. His family are incredible people. This is karma, ladies and gentlemen. He deserves this. They deserve it as a family.

I want to thank some people real quick. I want to thank the Nelk boys, Aidan Ross, Theo Vaughn, Bustle with the Boys, and last but not least, the mighty and powerful Joe Rogan. And thank you, America. Thank you. Have a good night. That is a piece of work. Now he's an amazing, he's really an amazing guy. But most of all, I want to thank the millions of hardworking Americans across the nation who have always been the heart and soul of this country.

Really great movement. We've been through so much together, and today you showed up in record numbers to deliver a victory. Like, really, I probably like no other. This was something -- this was something special. And we're gonna -- we're gonna pay you back. We are gonna do the best job. We're gonna -- we're gonna turn it around. It's got to be turned around. It's got to be turned around fast. And we're gonna turn it around. We're gonna do it in every way -- so many ways, but we're gonna do it in every way.

forever be remembered as the day the American people regained control of their country. So I just want to say that on behalf of this great group of people, these are hardworking people, these are fantastic people, and we can add a few names like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. He came in. And he's going to help make America healthy again.

And now he's a great guy, and he really means it. He wants to do some things, and we're going to let him go to it. I just said, but, Bobby, leave the oil to me. We have more liquid gold, oil and gas. We have more liquid gold than any country in the world, more than Saudi Arabia. We have more than Russia. Bobby, stay away from the liquid gold. Other than that, go have a good time, Bobby.

We're going to be paying down debt. We're going to be reducing taxes. We can do things that nobody else can do. Nobody else is going to be able to do it. China doesn't have what we have. Nobody has what we have. But we have the greatest people also. Maybe that's the most important thing. This campaign has been so historic in so many ways. We've built the biggest, the broadest, the most unified coalition ever.

They've never seen anything like it in all of American history. They've never seen it. Young and old, men and women, rural and urban. And we had them all helping us tonight, when you think. I mean, I was looking at it. I was watching it. They had some great analysis of the people that voted for us. Nobody's ever seen anything like that. It came from -- they came from all quarters -- union, non-union, African American, Hispanic American, Asian American, Arab American.

Muslim American. We had everybody, and it was beautiful. It was a historic realignment, uniting citizens of all backgrounds around a common core of common sense. You know, we're the party of common sense. We want to have borders. We want to have security. We want to have things be good, safe. We want great education. We want a strong and powerful government.

military, and ideally we don't have to use it. You know, we had no wars. Four years we had no wars, except we defeated ISIS. We defeated ISIS in record time, but we had no wars. They said, "He will start a war." I'm not gonna start a war. I'm gonna stop wars. But this is also a massive victory for democracy and for freedom. Together we're going to unlock America's glorious destiny, and we're going to achieve the most incredible future for our people.

Yesterday, as I stood at my last stop on the campaign trail, I'll never be doing a rally again. Can you believe it? I think we've done 900 rallies approximately from the... Can you imagine? 900, 901-something. A lot of rallies.

And it was sad. Everybody was sad. Many people -- I said, "This is our last rally, but now we're going on to something that's far more important, because the rallies were used for us to put -- be put in this position where we can really help our country. That's what we're going to do. We're going to make our country better than it ever has been." And I said that. Many people have told me that God spared my life for a reason.

And that reason was to save our country and to restore America to greatness. And now we are going to fulfill that mission together. We're going to fulfill that mission. The task before us will not be easy, but I will bring every ounce of energy, spirit and fight that I have in my soul to the job that you've

entrusted to me. This is a great job. There's no job like this. This is the most important job in the world. Just as I did in my first term, we had a great first term, a great, great first term. I will govern by a simple motto, promises made, promises kept. We're going to keep our promises.

Nothing will stop me from keeping my word to you, the people. We will make America safe, strong, prosperous, powerful, and free again. And I'm asking every citizen all across our land to join me in this noble and righteous endeavor. That's what it is. It's time to put the divisions of the past four years behind us. It's time to unite. And we're going to try. We're going to try. We have to try. And

It's going to happen. Success will bring us together. I've seen that. I've seen that. I saw that in the first term. When we became more and more successful, people started coming together. Success is going to bring us together, and we are going to start by all putting America first. We have to put our country first for at least a period of time. We have to fix it.

Because together we can truly make America great again for all Americans. So I want to just tell you what a great honor this is. I want to thank you. I will not let you down. America's future will be bigger, better, bolder, richer, safer and stronger than it has ever been before. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Here we go. Wow. Guys, he did it.

What an incredible sight. Donald Trump, president-elect, 45 and 47, first president since Grover Cleveland to do it, saying, look what happened. Is this crazy? Yes, yes, it is. None of us can believe our eyes. Thank you to the American people for the extraordinary honor. We will...

control the House of Representatives, he added. He believes that the Republicans will win the House. That's the data I'm receiving from my sources, too. It hasn't been called yet, but that Republicans in the know do expect that they will retain control of the House. And really, one of the most poignant moments with Trump saying, God spared my life for a reason, to save our country and restore our country to greatness. I can't help but think of my friend, my one friend who...

said this to me, I had dinner with her and she said, I think God spared him for a reason. I think he's going to win because I think it's the reason he was spared. And by the way, she was, she's the same person who, I know you're not a fan of RFKJ, but I'm telling you, you got to go do the deep dive on RFKJ that my team did. I put my team against anybody.

I thought he was a kook too. I really did. And he said some kooky things. It's not that there's no kook factor there. I'm not denying that. But we took a deep dive into his positions on vaccines, not the COVID vaccine in particular, but like MRN, not MRN, MMR. Not as kooky as you might think. Anyway, that's my summary. But she was saying, I just read Fauci's book or his book about Fauci. And I was like, oh, you know, garbage in, garbage out. You might want to be careful about him. She's like, it's kind of interesting. You can raise some interesting points. And I read it.

And then I put him on the air. I was like, you know what? He really is interesting. I don't know if I agree with all of it, but it's interesting. So we put him on the air without, before we put him on the air, we put hours and hours of research. And when he came on the air, we managed to do an interview, four hours that lived on all platforms and he'd been banned everywhere.

And he thanked me and said, you're the reason I came back. Like nobody would platform me. And then he started getting more and more invitations. And basically I'm responsible for all of this. You closed it out in Pittsburgh. Yeah, that's really what happened. That's really what I want to tell you. But just keep an open mind on RFKJ because...

I know he's got some weird stuff. For sure he's got some weird stuff. Don't deny. But he is going to do some good. Why wouldn't we want somebody to crack down on the FDA? This is back to you, my friends, who are sad about Trump's win. Why wouldn't we want somebody to crack down on the FDA? You saw Dope Sick, didn't you? Do you see Dope Sick? I haven't seen that, no. Well, Dope Sick is all about how they intentionally got us hooked on opioids.

here in the United States and the FDA couldn't have given a shit about any of us. It was like people who are working the FDA who gave it a rubber stamp and wouldn't tell us it was addictive and then went on to work for Big Pharma. And that's exactly the kind of stuff he spent his life fighting against. He's a smart lawyer, environmental lawyer. And now Trump is saying, I don't want to stick him on the oil and gas industry, but I do want to stick him on Big Pharma and FDA. I'm telling you, RFKJ can be unleashed in ways that we'll like.

and then pulled back in ways that we'll find necessary. Elon, God only knows it's going to be great to watch what he does. All right, let's get into just like, we've got about like 10, 15 minutes left in us. Please stay with us. You guys have been with us all night. We love you. Thank you so much. Our guys are still here, our high schoolers. Are you going to go to school tomorrow on time? Yes. You got to go. We talked about this. You play, you got to pay.

Let's get to some of the fun reaction of the left. I mean, this is what we're here for. It's three in the morning and we've earned it. Okay. Ellie Mistel, either the most racist or second most racist person on television. I think we can all agree really probably the most racist is altogether Joy Reid. Okay. But he tweeted out Dems are never nominating a woman again.

Now, do we think that's tongue in cheek or do we think what is that an indictment of the Dems? What does that mean? And then he goes on with Ellie Mistal. Stop it with the Sotomayor should retire tomorrow. Honestly, shut the fuck up. Sorry, teenagers. Trump is going to replace Alito and Thomas with 40 year olds.

Cool. Cool. Six to three forever versus seven to two forever. Doesn't make much difference. And if the court defies him, he will ignore it anyway. Oh, liberal tears. That's what's happening there. Liberal tears. Okay. But what are you, Dems are nominating, never nominating a woman again. Don't blame it on the woman. I'm not sure what he's saying there. If that, that could be tongue in cheek. I don't know. I don't know that it is. You can't speak Ellie, Ms. Dahl. I,

I can't. I can't. That's what we love about you. No one can speak out. Am I not alone? Joy Reid. I can speak a little Joy Reid. I'm a little bit fluent in Joy Reid. But no, this is going to be, this is the great epic blame game that's going to happen that we're witnessing right now.

And we're going to keep hearing, especially tomorrow morning, I cannot wait for the Morning Joes, for The View. The View. About what a sexist, racist country we are. We're going to see tears. And we're going to get everything we have coming to us.

So F everybody who voted for Trump, women included. Yes, the white women. Joy Reid's very upset about the white women. I think we have that clip. It's clearly saying there, though, that the country is sexist and Democrats will draw the right conclusion from that that they can never nominate a woman again. He's exactly wrong. He's exactly wrong. This making her the president is what would have set women back. I made this point. She's too dumb to be president.

I don't care what her parts are, lady parts or man parts. She's too stupid. And if you don't believe the me of today, now that Trump has won, let's go back and look at the me of the day Joe Biden. What Dave was this, Debbie Murphy, the day he got ousted or the day of the debate? The day he stepped down, we pulled the clip. This is the day Joe Biden stepped down. And here is what I said.

Look, I am a woman. I have a daughter. I hate the fact that there's been no female presidents. I really do. I hate the fact that you take out your little placemat when your kids are learning the presidents. There's no female face on there. And then you have to explain why. It's just it's effed up. I would love to see a female president like a Margaret Thatcher type, somebody who's strong and serious and sober and respected. This ain't it. I am telling you.

America is not going to elect this Nimrod as its first female president. I trust in them too much for that. They're just, they're not that dumb and they're not that open to a female president to where they'd be like, anybody will do, anybody, anybody.

Right here. Pretty good. Anyway, I'm thrilled that she's not going to be the first. We can't have somebody that dumb be the first. It will happen. It'll probably happen within the next 12 years. But it's not going to be somebody that stupid. So he's got it exactly reversed. But I was mentioning Joy Reid. Joy Reid does have a take. She's been the star of our show. She's been like a co-panelist. Here's her quick take. Oh, this is great.

Black voters came through for Kamala Harris. White women voters did not. That is what it appears happened in that state, is that if you can't flip enough white women, and we've talked about this on this set numerous times, is that you have a state where you've got a six-week abortion or a 12-week abortion. I think theirs might be 12 weeks. But it's a state where women lost their reproductive

rights, where there was a very heavy push to get women to focus on not putting in place, you know, reelecting, putting back into the White House the person who was responsible for taking those rights away and restoring them. But that message obviously was not enough to get enough white women to vote for Vice President Harris, a fellow woman. This will be the second opportunity that white women in this country have to change the way that they interact with the patriarchy.

Charlie? Well, look, I mean, the serious point to make is that she is incapable of describing to her viewers the country in which she lives and therefore reacting to it, right? I mean, that's the big problem here. That's the sin that she is guilty of. What do you mean? What I mean is that she is supposed to be on television to talk about America and what's going on in America, and she can't do it.

Yeah, it's just the identity politics prism through everything, right? Women have to vote for another woman. And by the way, it was divided up as white women who are the problem. And this language about the patriarchy, this is how they think.

This is, they will not quit it until Charlie was saying earlier, they lose several times over and they're just convinced they're desperate and realize there's no way they can ever get over the top thinking this way. But they teach themselves this language and this way of thinking, you know, from high school, college on, right? It's the world they live in. So if you tell them something wrong with it, it wouldn't even compute, I think, for them.

Hey, Joy, I have a message for you from all white women. You're welcome. You're welcome. Enjoy your safety and security for the next four years. It's ridiculous, right, Maureen? Of course she's going to go to the white women who didn't do their part.

to get their, you know, they didn't elect Hillary Clinton and now they didn't elect Kamala Harris. I'd love to know where she's getting the data that it's white women overwhelmingly, not black women because as we know, Trump is speaking to the black voter, the Hispanic voter. Generally more the man than the woman. We know he has a women problem for sure. Yeah.

But I also love how dutifully Rachel Maddow and Nicole Wallace, the white women on the panel, Rachel Maddow, the white woman who's the star of that network. Yeah.

sit there and swallow that bullshit. Oh, they're totally on board. You think they believe it? That's a good question. Former Republican consultant Matthew Dowd always says white men need to go away and not be part of the process. And I think he was running for Congress for a while. Yeah. Then he goes and eats his kale. Because the reason I think they believe it is it is essentially a conspiracy theory. The identity politics, when it reaches a certain point, becomes a conspiracy theory.

Right. Where you can't falsify it. So it becomes, well, you should vote this way because you're a woman. And then the woman says, I have my own thoughts and I don't want to. And you say, I receive internalized male thoughts. You can't argue with that. Yeah. The same thing with racial politics. Once you get to a certain point in which you're telling people,

say a black man, you don't know how to vote for your own self-interest because you've internalized racial oppression. You can't argue against that because if he says, actually, no, I haven't internalized racial oppression. I'm a human being too. And I have my own thoughts. Then you say, but that's exactly what someone would say if they'd internalized racial oppression. You just go around in circles. It's the Robin D'Angelo argument. Exactly. It's just a conspiracy theory.

theory. And if that, and in political terms, if that guy is actually on the fence and that's the way you're talking to him and you're trying to shame him, you're not going to convince him. And it's 10 friends over. I mean, I've long since moved past trying to convince anybody as far left as joy read right now. I just want you to defeat them and laugh at them. That's why it's such a glorious night. So fun. I mean, that's the, that's the good thing that,

That level of silliness is about 3% of the population at most. The problem is they've had a lot of power to push it on us. So if you are... She's platformed. Right. Well, it doesn't matter if you're you and it doesn't matter if you're me and it doesn't matter if you're you, right? But if you're a mid-level...

employee at Unilever and you have to sit through your HR mandated, that's what people are starting to hate. There's a backlash against that. You have to pretend to believe it. You and I, we all actually sort of benefit from that because we look at it and we go, she's being ridiculous. And we love it, right? And we write columns about it and we love it. But if you don't have any power and you're just some guy and you're some company and that's where it's really pernicious. But I don't think many people actually think like

Well, that's right, because you think back to my hard hat wearing Pittsburgh guys. Those poor guys are out there every day doing the actual hard labor, and then they got to get dragged into HR or whatever, some DEI training because of Joy Reid. Yeah, they're told they're privileged. Right, exactly right, and they're to blame. I mean, this is one of the—we should talk about this, because this is my third point and my reasons why I'm voting for Trump. And it was about what's being done to our boys and our men, you know, the—

It's a new form of reparations. It's like the unspoken form of reparations that you won't get jobs. We have so many friends with college-age boys who cannot find jobs. I joked that I was like, I'm going to hang a sign outside of the Megyn Kelly studios. We hire whites. You're fine. We hire males. It's okay.

By the way, it's illegal to discriminate against whites or men on the basis of sex and race. But that's where we are right now. And it's because it's by design that they've decided to heap all of the blame of society's problems on young men. It could be whites, it could be blacks, but it's usually whites first. And then males, they all file in there. Blacks and Hispanics can get blamed too before we get down to women. And it's leading to dejection, depression, racism.

Men are three out of four deaths of despair. No one gives a shit. They reach out for help for Jordan Peterson and then they get mocked by Hollywood. Like Trump is the antidote. Trump is the reason why young men here are cheering. Like they don't want to feel like that. The left doesn't get it. They're perfectly happy to keep demonizing them. They feel like it's a form of...

like I said, reparations, like they deserve it. Like somehow, this is why I said to the people at the Trump rally, to my fellow women, how can you win when your sons and your husbands are losing? How is that a win? Yeah, I was at a Manhattan dinner party a year or two ago and it was thrown by a couple and the woman is a fairly high power

I THINK SHE'S A POWERED LAWYER. I THINK MAYBE SHE TEACHES A LITTLE BIT TOO. THESE WHITE STUDENTS, WHITE LAW SCHOOL GRADS, GUYS, WILL COME TO HER AND SAY I CAN'T GET A JOB. SHE WAS SAYING AT THIS DINNER, THIS IS A GOOD THING, FINALLY. THE SCREW HAS TURNED. THIS IS WHAT THEY DESERVE.

YOU SHOULD JUDGE PEOPLE ON THE BASIS OF THEIR INDIVIDUALITY AND THEIR MERITS, RIGHT? IT'S SO PERNICIOUS BECAUSE IT JUDGES PEOPLE AS A CLASS, WHICH IS DEEPLY UNAMERICAN. AND ILLEGAL. RIGHT. AND THIS IS -- TRUMP DIDN'T MAKE A MAJOR EMPHASIS OF THIS IN THE CAMPAIGN, BUT IT IS IN HIS PLATFORM, HIS POLICY DOCUMENTS. HE IS GOING TO ACTUALLY ENFORCE THE CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS ACROSS THE BOARD AND TRY TO ADDRESS THIS. JUST A WORD ON THE TITLE IX AND BOYS.

So, as a result of what just happened, Trump's going to reverse the changes that were put into Title IX. I'm talking to the young men who are in this studio right now, 17 and 18-year-olds. But what Biden-Harris did was they changed. Obama created a world in which you have no due process, God forbid, you were to get accused on a college campus, which you won't because you're...

You're going to stay away from girls who would fall safely. And then Trump restored due process. He didn't tip the balance in favor of women or men. He just restored due process. And then Biden and Harris got in there and they completely changed it. So you would have no right. We've seen cases like, I've covered this a lot. A young woman could accuse a man. You'd have no right to cross-examine. No right to cross-examine. No right to have a lawyer in the hearing room. The person trying your case...

is going to be the same person prosecuting your case. How objective will that person be? You will have no right to see all the evidence against you or all the evidence exonerating you. And we covered a case in which a young man, he was there, I can't remember the university, I feel like it was Amherst, but he was there on a scholarship, an athletic scholarship, and he, forgive me because I might be conflating two cases, but I don't think I am. Young man had sex with a woman

consensually. They were boyfriend, girlfriend. She told her roommate about it the next day. She mentioned that they were not using protection. And then in the middle of the act, she said, would you put on protection? And then for like 10 seconds, he didn't. And then he did. And the roommate said that 10 seconds was rape. That was non-consensual sex. And she wasn't convinced, but the roommate went to the administrators and told the story. Long story short, he got expelled.

He lost his scholarship. He got expelled from the university. Another situation where a young man got accused of rape and he said it was consensual. She called me up. It was a booty call. She called me over. I went over. We did have action, but it was totally consensual. And when forced to go through the kangaroo court set up by Barack Obama, he was not entitled to any discovery. He got expelled.

They filed an appeal where they got heard in federal court. In federal court, he was entitled to discovery and he got all of her text messages saying, "I called him over. I wanted a booty call. No one can know because it's my roommate's boyfriend." It was like all these complimentary things. She was 100% the initiator and this poor guy didn't even, he'd already been expelled. He'd been tarred for life.

Trump has got he will get rid of all of that so that it's just even playing field. You get a right to the evidence, both good and bad. In your case, you get a right to a fair and neutral arbiter of fact. You get a right to cross examine. You get a right to an attorney. That's it. People talk about this in the news. It's insane. I've written about this a lot. And that rule that Betsy DeVos spent two years writing implemented and then Biden reversed it.

I just don't understand. So good thing, some of the colleges and universities were pulling back on this because when they actually, this case would get in the courts, the universities would lose. But often they couldn't really do much for the kid. Yes. Like Amherst did not reverse its expulsion of that kid. Yeah, we did a piece on some guy who...

It was similar circumstances to the ones you've described and got expelled and then won a huge settlement against the school and actually for this interview, drove up in a Lamborghini to meet our reporter. Good for him. Well, in any event, that's going to get undone. It's yet another reason you should feel good about Trump.

being reelected. Let's just show the Jake Tapper clip because there's some disbelief as to what's happening in the Electoral College. We don't know the final number, but right now it's at 277 to 226. Let's watch.

So you asked, are there any places that the vice president is overperforming Joe Biden in 2020? So we can show you that as well. We just bring that out here. Harris overperforming 2020. Holy smokes. There you go. So let this go away and see if there's anything on the east side there. Literally nothing? Literally nothing. Literally not one county?

Wait, what just happened there? What just happened there? Just nothing. I know, I was literally listening to something in my ear. Nothing's happening. What was that supposed to be? Counties of Kamala Harris's... Counties where she overperformed Biden. There's not one. Oh my God. Oh my God. It's her. The woman who eats... It's her. The issues are important, but it's also her. Biden also having been president.

What do you mean? Four years of Biden, right? What are you saying, like they loved him? No, he was totally incompetent. He was supposed to be normality. He wasn't. He was supposed to be competent. He wasn't. He was supposed to be a moderate. He wasn't. And inflation ate away at people's wages. But wait, wouldn't that suggest that she would outperform him? No, because... She's his partner. She didn't convince people that she wasn't part of the deal, that she was changed. They're judging her after what he had done that he was not supposed to do.

They were not buying the, I'm different. Because when she got asked about how would you be different, first she said the inane answer she gave, the view. Then she doubled down on Stephen Colbert. I won't be different. And then finally she got around to, she's so dumb. I'm not Joe Biden. I'm not, I'm a different person. That's true of all of us. That's not an achievement. Yeah, it's not an argument. So true. So true. That's where it landed.

We're literally different people. See, the thing that Biden would have been worse just because he was in such a debilitated state and he went through that. They would have, if you stayed in, insisted on staying in, they would have eventually crawled back. But the three weeks of everyone blasting him and saying he wasn't up for this was devastating to him. But he had the Scranton Joe thing, which was always kind of BS and annoying, but it got him some credibility offensively.

among these voters in the blue wall states. And that's why, even though I don't think it made any sense, they had him campaign a little bit for her because they thought he had some residual appeal to those people. But she had none. She had no cultural connection to those type of voters whatsoever. So who's to blame for this loss? I mean, I blame the Democratic Party that has been installing candidates since Hillary Clinton. And I blame Pelosi and I blame Barack Obama.

And I just I blame a party that refuses to allow its constituents to vote for their nominees. That's an interesting question. If they had done the mini primary that was floated by reportedly Obama and maybe James Carville, where they were like where Obama and Clinton would come up with four candidates and they'd have like a mini primary. Would they have done better? No, because they'd have chosen her.

You think? Yeah. Because of identity politics? Partly. Also, she's the vice president. She'd have had some power. They'd have rigged it because they do that. I just think they were in a position at that point where she was basically their choice. And there are downsides. Suppose they'd chosen someone better, which is possible that I'm wrong and they choose someone better. At that point, you've opened up the

wounds in the party. You've invited debate in the Democratic Party. And they are at war with one another on a whole bunch of things, not least of which, and at that point it was particularly potent given the campus shenanigans, was Israel. So I just think

She was their best shot. I think it was Biden who bears ultimate responsibility. He was a terrible president. And then he made this, one of the worst decisions the president has ever made. He didn't follow through on it ultimately because he couldn't, but to run again when he was clearly debilitated and it was only going to get worse. And he and Jill were too selfish to acknowledge reality. And then the Democrats are too cowardly, uh,

AND A LITTLE WRONG-FOOTED BY THE RESULTS IN 2022 WHERE THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD -- BIDEN HAD SOME LIFE TO HIM AND THEY COULD GET THROUGH. SO THEY WENT ALONG WITH IT. AND THEN THAT SET AND TRAINED THIS DISASTER FOR THEM.

Ultimately, he picked her, right? He picked an idiot to be vice president for identity politics reasons. Yep. Yeah, I mean, Tim Kaine, the point I made in a column was, so Tim Kaine, not Tim Kaine, sorry, the vice president, Tim Walz, sorry. Oh, let's talk about Tim Walz. I'm into it. Can we toast for getting Tim Walz already? Yes, yes. Tampon Tim. So Tim Walz was...

was chosen as vice president because someone who, Barack Obama, who was the talented one, chose someone else who chose someone else. Like to your point about not having, they don't have a lot of talent. Obama was hugely talented, right? So then Obama is the nominee because he's talented and he chooses Joe Biden.

And then because he chooses Joe Biden, Joe Biden chooses Kamala Harris. And then Kamala Harris, because she's been, chooses Tim Walz. Like you are scraping the barrel at this point. There was no election that intervened, any of those. But going to selecting candidates, they wanted to select Hillary in 08. And Obama runs as the outsider and upsets the establishment candidate. And what you find out through that process is who's really talented.

And he was more talented than her. But they didn't really do that in 16. They sort of they kind of did it in 20. And Biden lost the first couple of contests, but they didn't do it this time. We we we have to talk about Tim Walz. I mean, I didn't like him from the beginning. Yeah, it was very clear. Just a simple Google search would have told you he was a radical leftist on cultural issues in particular, but on a lot.

And she said, that was one interesting thing about Stephanie Ruhle's interview with her on MSNBC. She was asked, what was the last decision you made on your gut? And she was like, my vice president, my running mate. And of course we were all like, oh, wrong answer. It was Tim Walz. He was a disaster in every way. I mean, in what way did he help her at all? He said weird things.

Right. And then he got chosen. They liked the word weird, which didn't stick because the guy who coined it is very weird. So it soon became impossible for him to deploy it any further. Could wear plaid.

I mean, look, there's a bunch of Republicans sitting here. Who can't load their gun? What man that is a hunter cannot load his gun? It's like a thing with men. You know, like there are certain things you're required to do. You are required to be able to take the lid off the ketchup bottle and you are required to be able to load your gun. Right. I didn't write the rule book, but I've seen it.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TALENTED PERSON. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TALENTED PERSON. IT SEEMS LIKE A CLASSIC, THEY SAY IN MANAGEMENT, AN A TALENTED PERSON HIRES A B. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH OBAMA AND BIDEN. A B HIRES A C AND A C HIRES A D. SHE IS A C AND SHE DIDN'T WANT TO HIRE SHAPIRO WHO MIGHT BE A B OR A A B OR A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A A B OR A B OR A A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A B OR A

And just in theory, I kind of agree with Charlie, it would have been hard to get there. But in paper, I would have run like Whitmer, Shapiro. Do the total blue wall thing, realize you just hold those three states and you hold it and try to do that. But they instead, through circumstances and Biden's bad judgment, were stuck with her. She was a puppet, but it was not her fault that she was a puppet. That's all she's capable of. By the way, Henry, our friend Henry is still awake.

And he is making projections. Henry is projecting. He says Philadelphia is now in and Dave McCormick is ahead. Call it. GOP beats Bob Casey and gets the 53rd Senate seat. That is great. Wow. Wow.

And it's especially because Bob Casey is awful. Terrible. Well, if you go back to 2006 when Bob Casey first won and you look at what he ran on and you look at what he is now, it's actually embarrassing. What do you mean? I hadn't seen that. Well, he ran as a pro-life, pro-Second Amendment fiscal moderate. Oh, sure. And now he is all in on guns, abortion. Go ahead. And...

He's never met a tax increase he didn't vote for. But he was running ads trying to tie himself to Trump. Yeah, right. But it caught up with him eventually. I think Dave McCormick ran a really good campaign. But Casey, he was also trading on his father's name. I like McCormick. I'm excited about that one.

He came on the show and did not have any weird interviews. Sheehy thing was very weird. Did you see it? I had to read several, I read news accounts of it, and I had to read a number of them to understand what he was saying. I still don't understand. I'm going to be honest. I think Tim Sheehy lied to me. I don't think he's telling me the truth about how he got shot in his arm. Long story short, for people who are just tuning in, he's the senator-elect from the state of Montana, state I have.

I own property in and love. And he was coming out for a friendly interview. You know, it's like it's not adversarial to him in any way. And the biggest thing that was being used against him was that he may have lied about how he got shot in the arm. That's really the only thing they had on him. So I asked him about it. So let's just kick it off. How did you get shot in your arm? Oh, we've got it. We've got some of this cut. OK, well, let's show him what happened. So I asked him, like, this is what they're using against you. And here's a little of how that went.

They're saying that you were in a park, Glacier Park, that you dropped your weapon, that it went off inadvertently and it shot you in the arm and that there's a park ranger saying she spoke to you about that. It looks like you spoke to the Washington Post and you said that you lied when you told the park ranger about this. So which is it? Like, did you shoot yourself in the arm inadvertently in Glacier Park?

No, we've discussed this at length. Were you wounded in the park? Did you have a wound, Tim, in the park? Yes, I fell and injured my arm when we were hiking. So that's why I went, because, you know, I could feel the bullet get dislodged. When I fell and fell on the arm, you could feel the bullet get dislodged. Are there medical records where the ER can say we did not treat a gunshot wound?

Well, there isn't. I mean, that's the point. You go in, you check on it and you leave. There's not an extensive medical record for any of this stuff. And unfortunately, that's the crux of this is there's just not a whole lot to talk about. They've decided to take this one report from a park ranger that I gave him that report. I stood in the parking lot, said, hey, this is what happened. You know, in five minutes, you know, we go on our way. And they've decided to make that, you know, the focal point of all this. So confusing. Yes, very confusing. I have no idea what he was saying.

It sounded a little jumpy, too. I actually wonder whether my audience is going to be upset by that interview because it did not make him look good. And they all wanted to win the control of the Senate. And they were all, everybody, everybody on that YouTube clip we posted was like, he's lying. He's lying. Why didn't he just answer the question? He won. He's the senator-elect, and he's going to be part of the Republican majority. I don't know why he's lying about the fact that he shot himself in the arm in Glacier Park. Yeah.

and saying instead that he got shot by an Afghani soldier in Afghanistan whom he was training and he didn't want to bring attention to the unit because it would have led to an investigation in which someone could have been embarrassed. But if that's true, why isn't there some...

Witness to say, yeah, he got shot in Afghanistan. And why did he tell the park ranger he shot himself in the park? And why did he go to the hospital for a dislodged bullet internal bleeding? Because he fell on it. None of that makes sense. And if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true.

I don't know why he's lying. Maybe there's some personal embarrassment around it. I don't think it disqualifies him. You know, I mean, honestly, it doesn't seem like that big a deal to me, to be honest. But he's now a U.S. senator. OK, so FYI, that happened with Sheehy. But Dave McCormick came on and we had a perfectly lovely interview. He does not seem like he said anything untrue. And I love that Bernie Moreno. I feel really good about that guy. The the Ohio guy. Yeah.

So can we talk about J.D. a little bit? Yes, let's talk about J.D. Because Trump, Trump, his introduction there in the victory speech was most people, they don't want to go on CNN or whatever. J.D., he'll do anything. And he's wiped him up every single time, which pretty much been true. I mean, he's been incredibly effective.

I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS A PERFORMER. HE HAD THE BAGGAGE OF THE STUFF HE HAD SAID IN THE PAST ABOUT CHILDHOOD CAT LADIES AND ALL THAT. BUT OTHERWISE, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS REALLY -- HE DID PLAY A ROLE IN THE SPRINGFIELD OHIO ELEVATING THE EATING CATS THING.

I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE NOT. IT GOT THE COUNTRY TALKING ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION OR IMMIGRATION. ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE INTERVIEWS. HE NEVER GOT CORNERED AND END UP OFTENTIMES CORNERING THE INTERVIEWERS.

When he was like, can you hear yourself? Yeah. Only a couple apartment buildings have been taken over by migrant gangs. Right, by Venezuelan illegals. Just a couple, just a few. It's fine. J.D. Vance, I love the pic. The audience knows that. I said that day one because I have a little history with him. Not that big, but I did go and interview him back in 17 or 18, right after Hillbilly Elegy, when I just started NBC. Yeah.

and just absolutely loved the guy. Met Usha, loved her. Such a young, promising, sweet, in love couple. Just seemed like the all American dream and his story is all American. It's exactly what you love about our country. And he was different then. And he was, as I said, he was like a little heavier. He was a little softer. He was a little sweeter. I love this current version too, but it's just, you know, you kind of have an affection for the version you first met. And yeah,

What I learned in interviewing JD on top of what I learned from his book is that he did have an extremely difficult childhood. He had for sure an abusive mom who was addicted to drugs, including heroin, who kept bringing man after man into the house. She, she also abused him. I don't think she beat him, but she scared him a lot, like severely and brought man after man into the house who didn't treat him right. And, uh, you know, you just think of this sweet little boy who talks about sleeping in his jeans and,

that they never knew pajamas drinking Mountain Dew or Pepsi out of their soda, out of their baby bottles. You know, our babies had breast milk or formula. They didn't have Mountain Dew and, uh, how the only person he really had two people, he had his mamaw, his mom's mom, and he had his older sister, Lindsay, five years older than he is. And, um,

I met her too, and she cried talking about him and really feels bad she didn't intervene more on his behalf. She was a kid too. He doesn't hold it against her at all. He adores and worships his older sister, Lindsay, and his mama, who's become this famous figure with her 19 guns in the house when, I think when she died, loaded guns everywhere, like in the silverware drawer all over their house.

And that's exactly, I love that that's going to be our next vice president. That guy gets those hard hat guys, 100%. But he also wound up working his way into Yale, you know, went to Ohio, the Ohio State University, and then GI Bill, and then got himself into Yale Law School. No connections, just pure genius. Finished in two years college and got himself into Yale Law School. And so he's got a foot in both camps, kind of like Trump in the reverse, right?

Trump's born with a silver spoon but understands the working class because he worked with those construction guys his whole life. And J.D. Vance is of the working class but earned his way into one foot into the upper class. Writes in the book about how when he got first served white wine at like a Yale mixer or maybe like an application like mixer for Yale, he had no idea what to order. He was like he'd never had wine before, didn't understand. He hadn't spent much time with Charlie. Not, not.

Anywho, so long-winded way of saying totally rooting for that guy. Cannot wait to see what he does. And here's a little bit of that interview where we met and I did a long profile of him, which remains, if not my top, it might be my top. It's at least one of my top three favorite interviews I've ever done. What do you think? Should he run for office?

Someday, if the time is right, and if he really feels that that's the best way that he can contribute to his home, then I think that would be a great idea. Why do you get uncomfortable when that idea comes up? I just, I think that, you know, when people ask me if I want to run for office, part of me wonders, like, do they think I just give off a used car salesman vibe?

Don't you think it's more born of hope that you could be a real change agent? Yeah, no, I think that's the optimistic take on it. I'm very flattered when people ask me, and you never say never, but it's just not something that I think about doing right now.

It's wild. I was the vice president. You believe that? Yeah. Doesn't he look like a kid? Yeah. I think I was 20. It was either 18 or 17, either late 17 or early 18. I think the operative phrase everyone says, I don't think about it right now, was the right now. I think he's been thinking about it for a long time. 18. But he wasn't thinking about being vice president. No. I mean, I have to say, you got to give a shout out to Tucker and Don Jr., who were the ones who said, go with JD. And that was when they were feeling...

very confident because Biden was spiraling and hadn't yet been deposed. That's right. But it worked out. And now Trump's got his heir apparent. And so does the Republican Party and the MAGA movement. So, all right, let's wrap it up. Letter grade, Rich Lowry, to steal a trick from the editors. A great podcast. I listen to it religiously. Letter grade on this night for Republicans.

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what I would have imagined possible for the GOP tonight. Charlie? Yeah, A. I mean, for the Republican Party, you couldn't do much better. And I don't know if it's going to last, but Sam Brown and...

Nevada is winning at the moment. Oh, wow. That would be, if they took all the states they'd won, that would be 56. Oh, wow. By the way, if they had run better candidates in 2020 and 2022, right now, that would mean they'd be debating whether or not they're about to get 60. This is like the difference. Here we go again. Not a wet blanket, but a bastard. Don't bring the room down, man. I'm just saying that there's two Georgia seats, Arizona, Carrie Lake. I have to say,

With these results, even MBD is going to be feeling happy and optimistic. Oh, absolutely. Even Michael Brendan-Dougherty. I can't wait to hear his reaction. All right, what do you think? What letter grade for Republicans tonight? Let's absolutely agree with Rich. It's an A or an A+. And I think it's a win for this country. I love the idea that the popular vote is looking to match up with the electoral so that there's no daylight that the Dems can say...

There's an incongruence here. You know, that there has been a wholesale rejection of all of this stuff and this idea that democracy was on the ballot. Well, yeah, democracy was on the ballot and this was the result. So deal with it. Deal with your shit on the other side. Right. Exactly right. Passed back to you. Well,

I give it an A+. I don't know how you'd ask for any better. This was a complete, sweeping, total victory by Donald Trump. And the Republican Party is his. They should be thanking him. He not only won in what looks like it may be a landslide. He had coattails. He brought senators over the fence. He appears to have retained control of the House.

And it is not divided government. It is government in control of the Republican Party, at least for the next two years. Let's get shit done. Let's do the priority list. Number one, the border. Restore all the executive orders until we get real legislation passed with the House and the Senate that you control. Number two, Title IX, please. That's an easy one. No brainer.

And let's use Elon and Vivek to cut down the size of the federal government to unleash the Maha agenda that Kennedy and Shanahan have been talking about. Get toxins and pesticides out of our foods. At least restore us to the European standard where we can have the fries without 40 ingredients and just two or the Froot Loops for that matter. There's no reason American children should be suffering more than kids over in Europe just because you want to put purple in our Froot Loops menu.

versus what you give kids abroad. Parents need help keeping their kids safe. Those are just a couple of agendas. Get the Trump tax cuts repassed. Remain in place. Keep the job market rolling. Roll back the regulations. Unleash energy.

Forget these green energy initiatives, these bullshit electric car things that nobody wants. We want our gasoline cars. We want our gas guzzlers. Too bad if you don't like it. Bring back the red meat. What have I forgotten? Have I forgotten anything? I'm thrilled. And most importantly to yours truly, get the boys out of the girls' sports and stop with the trans insanity on our children.

It is the women's and children's rights issue of our time. God bless you all for spending all this time with us. Very grateful to our audience and so grateful to you guys. Absolutely. Thanks for having us. Thank you, Charlie. You too. And Rich Lowry.

I mean, you're just like scarecrow, you most of all. 'Cause how many big events have we done over the summer and the fall? It's been a lot. Right? A couple of assassination attempts, switcheroo of the president. The debates. Yeah, the debates. All the big events. Yeah, absolutely. And you're always there. So thank you so much. I know the audience loves you.

OK, we'll be right back here in a few hours, including these guys, as we do our normal program tomorrow. And I'm sure there'll be plenty to talk about. We're also going to be joined by our friends over at the fifth column. Thank you. Thank you, interns. So happy you're happy. Much love and thank you to my team as well. Good night, everyone. Congrats, President Trump. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

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