Expectation vs. Reality of Harris’ Campaign Strategy, Hurricane Drama Between Harris and DeSantis, with Glenn Greenwald | Ep. 913
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. With just over three weeks to go, can you believe it? Until Election Day, headline after headline today signaling doom and gloom for Team Harris-Waltz. Don't be fooled. This race could still go either way.

It's no time for either side to let up. But you can see what the Democrats are seeing on their internal polling based on the media reaction and what Kamala Harris is doing. The sugar high of her coup and her Democratic National Convention momentum is over. And just as your child will then crash sticky faced and drooling onto the bed after the fact, that's kind of the state of her campaign right now.

And those around her are nail biting big time. And the reports are that Team Trump is not nail biting. They're actually feeling pretty good. They, too, need to worry because their get out the vote effort does not appear to be as strong as the Democrats with all due respect to what's happening in Pennsylvania. We interviewed the guy behind that effort the other day and he seems amazing, but they need seven of them. And it's reportedly not.

but a shadow of what the Democrats have. There's gotten to shape under Barack Obama and has never waned since. They've lost since. Obviously, Hillary came after Barack, but she was no Barack. And here's what they're starting to realize. Neither is Kamala. She's no Barack Obama. I mean, we all know that. But they tried to make her into Barack Obama at that Democratic National Convention. And now the polls are showing them people aren't buying it.

Here's just a couple of the headlines. The Hill, Democrats start to hit the panic button. The Independent, panic sets in for Democrats as polls tighten and media interviews fall flat.

Fox News Kamala Harris's joy is quietly turning to panic for Democrats. You sensing a theme here and over at CNN, Democrats grow anxious in a lengthy report. One source close to the campaign tells CNN, quote, People are nervous. A lot of us are having these flashbacks to 2016. We know when it can go the wrong way.

Of course, this could all be a ploy by the left to rally the base. But it comes as new polling does show cracks in the so-called blue wall for the Democrats. You know, these states, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, sort of in the middle of the country that they consider blue wall, that they consider must win. And we'll tell you what the latest polls are showing. Additionally, there is the media rollout that has not gone well. Oh, my God. Come on.

It's really been amazing. As I said a week ago, I love her newfound confidence. I hope she keeps it rolling. I really, I do. And she's going to, she's going to do a town hall with Univision. She's going to have another chance to say something, anything of substance this evening. And we'll have full coverage of that for you tomorrow.

And then there's her response to the hurricanes, including the one that's hammering Florida at this very moment. Her own boss, a.k.a. the current president, Joe Biden, you may have forgotten about him, but he's still there, seems hell bent on undermining her at every turn when it comes to the federal response. I'm sorry, but I need the popcorn. It's just too delicious to watch his passive aggressiveness against her, given what she did to him. Who could blame him?

And it has sparked a rather interesting alliance, it would appear, between Mr. Biden and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. We'll get to it all with my guest today, Glenn Greenwald. He's a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and host of Rumble's System Update.

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I'm the opposite of shocked. And sometimes I think it's amazing how quickly and easily we forget even short term memory. Let's remember that the last time she ran for president, when she actually had to campaign and debate and get votes and all that. I'm like this time her campaign was such a disaster, such a debacle, despite every single institutional advantage, all that money from California, the stature of being a senator from California, the readiness of the media, the heap adoration on her for

potentially being the first ever woman of color to become president, et cetera, et cetera. Her campaign was such a disaster that she had to pull out and close her campaign before the first vote was even counted. Usually people say the campaign's not going well. Let's try and play our hand in Iowa and New Hampshire and then see. There was no point in doing that because she was such an awful politician. And then also the entire three and a half years that she was vice president, she was a complete national joke, an international joke, because every time she opened up her mouth,

it turned into something incredibly embarrassing and cringe worthy. And I think a lot of us did forget that in what was some very well engineered theater around the supposed excitement that people had when she emerged, got imposed by the Democratic Party elite on the party and in the country.

And people kind of forgot just how inept and incompetent she is as a politician. Their obvious strategy was based on that. Let's keep her away from the media. Let's make sure she has very, very few unscripted moments. And the problem for them is that that wasn't working. They had to roll the dice. They had to send her out on her own. And even in the most...

loving, embracing, gentle arms that they sent her into. The View, Howard Stern, Stephen Colbert. Doesn't get any more worshipful than that. She completely fell on her face, even in front of them. And I think people are starting to realize and remember who she really is.

Yes, that one that one exchange with Sonny Hostin, who's been advocating for Kamala Harris since the conversation first turned to. Could we sub out Joe Biden? What would we do? Would we have an open primary? Could we get Michelle Obama instead? And and she kept saying, we're not interchangeable as black women. It has to be Kamala. She can do it. She's being she loves Kamala Harris.

And it was obviously not an attempt to trip up Kamala Harris and yet tripped up. She got where Kamala Harris answered her question about how she's different from Joe Biden, whether she would have done anything differently. And as predicted, you'll see the version of it here that Trump made into an ad literally within 60 minutes of Kamala saying it. And now there are reports today that you can expect to see this ad everywhere from now to Election Day. Here it is.

Well, if anything, would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years? There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of and I've been a part of of of most of the decisions that have had impact. I'm Donald J. Trump and I approve this message.

And Glenn, you know, it's interesting because I'm sure they thought going to friendly outlets would protect her. But sometimes being in a friendly outlet can lead to your guard being down and you don't realize, and I don't think Sonny Hostin realized either, when you're in danger.

I know that, Megan, all that is completely true. And I agree with all of that. Nonetheless, I think it's worth noting how unbelievable and remarkable and confounding it is that she cannot answer that. It was like she it was like that question never occurred to her before. She didn't say, no, I think Biden did a great job. She didn't say yet. She said, you know what? Nothing that comes to mind as though that question had never occurred to her to even think about. Maybe I'll get back to you. I can think of it later. What?

When you're running for president and you're the vice president of a very unpopular president on his road to losing, when the country believes that everything is on the wrong track, that all they want is change, the very first question that you have to be prepared to answer in her position is,

How would you have been different than Joe Biden? Now, obviously, she can't just throw him under the bus and say like, oh, everything he did was terrible. He was a terrible president. I intend to. But there's so many diplomatic ways that you answer that. You know, 2020 is different than 2024. We have new challenges. We can do more of this, less of this.

I think what happened is, this is what I really believe, is that democratic elites really are so arrogant in terms of how non-democratic voters think, how they process information. They really believe that they could win the election by just avoiding substance altogether. That was obviously their plan from the very beginning.

And I don't think they ever really prepared her. And she's not prepared to talk about in any way what type of president she would be, because that never has been the strategy on which they were relying to win the race. It was all about these vibes and I'm younger and I'm different. I'm not these two old 80 year old white guys that everyone's sick of.

That doesn't get that gets you a little bit that gets you a boost in the polls. Like you said, that sugar high. But eventually, Americans, as dumb as Democrats think they are, are going to want to know, like, who is this person that we might make president? What do what does she believe? Where do we place her on the spectrum? What kinds of policies is she going to pursue? How is that going to affect our lives? And her inability and refusal to answer that that comes from this condescension, I think is what's really crippling her. And you saw that so

So clearly in all of these interviews where she got asked that question, she couldn't answer it. And now when she's like, I don't know, I never thought about that before. I'll get back to you right now. Nothing's coming to mind. That is stunning.

It's a nightmare for her team. I almost feel bad for them. So those answers, her general inaptitude as a politician are what's keeping these numbers so low, among other things. I mean, the Biden policies were not a success and she is associated with them. And it's leading to some open panic.

And it's leading to some sound analysis of some bad numbers. I'm going to give you both. Here's James Carville with the on-camera equivalent of those headlines I just read you in the intro. Watch.

Only thing I feel is the elections coming November 5th. I'm scared to death and I'll get a time to, you know, obviously- You're not in a reflective mood. Not in a particular reflective mood right now. I'm very, very concerned. What does Harris need to do with the month left? All right, the seven month left. Let's start with that 27, 26 days. Today is gone. You're going to lose fourth in a hurricane. They're doing all this and sitting down with 60 minutes and sitting down with Kobe Harris. I have a press conference. I get to ask the question. You'd like to see her do more press conferences?

I'd like to put more things in place. I would put President Obama out to make that. He's only got a 92 percent approval with Democrats. I would have President Clinton talking, going on these local TV stations, talking about how tariffs are going to destroy the economy of Wisconsin or Michigan or anywhere else because they have never worked. But we're just letting that go. So is he wrong?

I mean, you have to give credit to the Clinton people like James Carville and those others because they ran for president at a time when the Democrats were a disaster. They couldn't win an election. Going back to George McGovern, who got crushed by Nixon. The only one they won was Jimmy Carter because of post-Watergate anger at the Republicans. And then it was Reagan twice, George W. Bush the first time. And they did do a very good job of reinventing the party by focusing it not on these issues that alienate working class people or other people, but by...

realizing as that old saying goes that they adopted, it's the economy stupid. Like all people care about is how are you going to materially improve our lives, which is what voters should care about. Think about this, even as two people, you and I who cover politics every single day,

What is a Kamala Harris policy on what she's running? Basically, what we know about her are two things. We know about what she thinks about abortion, which is she's in favor of it. And we know what she thinks about LGBT. She loves LGBTs very deeply. She loves us so much. She feels such a... Other than that, what are her policies? The only ones that she's identified, she literally stole from Trump. Like, hey, let's not tax the tips of service workers. And every other policy...

that we've heard from basically is nothing other than everything I said I believed in in 2019, single payer healthcare, ban on fracking, mandatory buyback of guns are things I no longer now believe with no explanation. So if you are gonna present a candidate who has no ideas, no ideology, no platform to even try and convince people that you're gonna improve their lives, let alone to persuade them that you're going to,

How do you expect to win an election? I think what James Carville is saying there is true, which is she should stop talking about all of these kind of cultural issues, these ancillary issues, relying on these very vague pronouncements about who she is and isn't, and just go to those swing states and talk about the effects of the election on those people's economic lives, because that's ultimately what people vote on, despite how dumb Democrats think they are.

Mm hmm. She's outlined a few economic proposals and to their credit, it's come up in a couple of interviews, the Stephanie Rule one and the 60 Minutes one.

How are you going to pay for it? You can't give all these goodies to the American public without paying for them. That's just not the way the system works. You don't control money. You don't control tax policy as president. You need to work with Congress. And both times she's been caught flat footed. She has no plan for if she can't get Congress to go along with these pie in the sky tax proposals. And she is not likely to win both houses of Congress.

If you look at the latest numbers and by the way, Americans like divided government in general. So I would predict that if she wins the White House, there'd be a higher likelihood that there'd be split tickets where people would say, well, we're not going to give Democrats full control. She has no plan. If she doesn't get full control of Congress, she has no tax plan. She has no economic plan at all.

All that's been made clear, and even the one she's proposing, help allegedly very small groups of people, like her $25,000 tax help for first-time homebuyers. Okay, if you're a first-time homebuyer, maybe, but probably not because as Trump's been pointing out,

It's just going to drive the price of housing up for everyone in the market, including the first time homebuyers. You know, that's how we got into the college tuition mess. Every time they kept increasing the amount of loans you could get from the federal government, the college tuition just went up that amount of loans. And so those of us who use loans and those of us who didn't all had to pay a higher bill. OK, I want to get to Mark Halpern, who has been doing a great job over on his YouTube show, Two-Way.

And he gets on Democrats and Republicans and he has sources in both camps. So he has interesting information about things like inside polling, not outside polling like we see, like New York Times, Siena, but the campaigns polls that drive decision making. And this is what he reported. It was either yesterday morning or this morning. Take a listen to that one. They want to be ahead now.

And and they know what their polls say and their polls are not as good as the public polls for her. I'm hearing from Democrats who know her well who are saying she needs to be a warrior in these last few months. She needs to she needs to up her game. She needs to feel it. She needs to close strong. And they look at her performance on television yesterday where it appears, as always, she's trying to not make mistakes, get through the interview without making mistakes rather than

Really transforming the race and demonstrating to the undecided voters who we talk to on this program to be a good steward of a good economy, fierce commander in chief, ready for the job. That's what they're worried about. They're worried that they're not in a good place to win 270 electoral votes. Yeah. And honestly, Glenn, at this point, they have some cause for.

to worry even with the public polling. The Quinnipiac battleground polls that just came out amongst likely voters are showing Trump is up in Michigan by three points. Margin of error is 3.1. So it could be, you know, within that margin. It is within the margin of error.

Trump is up in Wisconsin, up by two, 48 to 46. Margin of error there, three. So it could be, but it hasn't been this way before. It's been Harris up in both of these states. And then in Pennsylvania, this poll is showing Harris up over Trump by three percentage points. Margin of error there, 2.6%.

But if you listen to the full Halperin commentary, he says there isn't a person around Kamala Harris, including those who are doing the polling for her, who believe she's up three in Pennsylvania. Here's honestly what I think the big problem is for the Democrats and for Kamala Harris in particular, which is.

What we've seen, not just in the United States, but throughout the democratic world, is what people hate the most is establishment politics, establishment politicians, and people who lack any authenticity, who just sort of opportunistically say whatever they need to say at the moment, whether they believe it or not, in order to advance their own career goals.

I think what Donald Trump's political magic has always been, despite all the things he said that many, many people, including his supporters, kind of cringe at or worse, is that he always seems like whatever's in his brain is what comes out of his mouth. There's not that many opportunities where he's saying something manipulatively. Every politician manipulates. The best ones make it so that you don't realize they're doing it. But Trump in general, everyone knows who he is.

Like it or not, he's who he is and he doesn't pretend otherwise. Think about what Kamala Harris is trying to do. For five, six, seven, eight years now, the Democrats have been saying that Republican attempts to close the border or to limit the border are Nazi-like, are white supremacist, are about

about instituting a racist regime in the United States to protect white people, that it's one of the cruelest things ever. And now suddenly two months before the election, Kamala Harris has to go around pretending that she's tougher on the border than Donald Trump. And now she has to go to Univision with a Latino audience and try and convince them that although she's still pro-immigrant, she's somehow tough on the border. You look also at this ongoing war in Gaza and now spreading to Lebanon.

the democrats are perceived by their left-wing base as being fully supportive of israel and in places like michigan where that really matters that is creating a lot of depressed enthusiasm or people not willing to vote for her and she's trying to be all things to all people and when you try and be all things to all people you end up being nothing to anybody which i think is exactly what she's doing now i'm not a polling expert but you can just see just checking every day

How that balance that she got is is basically gone. It is eroding. I don't know who the winner is going to be. It's based on so many complex factors, including get out the vote, as you mentioned, and other things. But I think the big problem is that Kamala Harris stands for nothing. And nobody likes a politician who doesn't have an authentic belief in their body that they're willing to defend.

She tries a different message this day and that. Mostly she's about our hopes and ambitions and dreams. I mean, that's her normal nonsense. She loves Americans because we dream. We have big aspirin. I'm like every other country where nobody dreams about anything. We dream and she loves that about us.

We're the only ones with work ethic. Okay. So she says that. So she tried something new out on Colbert the other night, which was truly like, what? Right. Wasn't it Colbert? I'm trying to remember. Yeah, it was right when she talked about the...

Trump turning down 60 Minutes. Oh, no, is this Stern? I'm looking at my my thought list. All right. She said something similar on Colbert, but listen to her on strength versus weakness being her new theme. And she's apparently the strong one. I thought what was so amazing about 60 Minutes is the fact that Trump turned it down. Yeah, I mean, it just says so much. He didn't want to be fact check. This is maddening. This is insanity. What do you mean you don't want to be fact checked?

I think that, you know, Howard, people ask me, like, what do you think is going on and what is the tension here? What's at stake? And there are many things and I can be much more articulate than what I'm going to say. But ultimately, I do believe that this is an election that is about strength versus weakness. Yeah. And weakness as projected by someone.

who puts himself in front of the American people and does not have the strength to stand in defense of their needs, their dreams, their desires. Oh, God. She managed to weave back to it at the end there, but...

What is she talking about? I guess she just went for the exact thing that is Trump's best asset and her worst asset and tried to reverse them and say she had the good one and he has the bad one because Trump

He didn't want to do 60 minutes after the Leslie Stahl debacle and didn't want to be fact checked after the ABC and CBS News debacles on their fact checking, quoting unquote, at these debates we've seen. Like what? I don't even know what she's trying to do there.

Well, this is such a perfect example, I think, of her ineptitude. So there's a lot of things you can credibly accuse Trump of that will resonate with people in terms of the character flaws. Everybody knows what they are. We've all seen them. We've seen them for many years.

The accusation that he's unwilling to appear in media and to take questions. I don't remember a politician for as long as I've lived who loves to be in media, who loves to be in interviews more than Trump. He will any day call a press conference and stand there for an hour and a half and take questions from the media. She's the one who's done three in the last month strategy.

Exactly. So this is what I'm saying. I think it's a good strategy to try and make sure that people understand that she's strong. She's willing to use force, I think, particularly for a female candidate, one vying to be the first female president. That is something that is kind of a subconscious bias that she probably has to overcome. And I think she should be.

doing that, but to try and do it by saying Trump is afraid of the media, that Trump's unwilling to take questions from the media. We've seen Trump on every single network, on Elgo, anywhere that you ask him. He loves cameras. He loves journalists asking him questions and talking about him.

And it's just, that's what it seems like. It just seems like this kind of like what you were saying, one day she tries something, the next day she tries something completely different. Also the attack on Trump from the Democrats when he was president was that he was an unhinged militarist, that he was trying to get the United States involved in wars. We were about to go to war with North Korea or with Iran. He loved to bomb people. And now suddenly we're being told that he's weak

He he's the one who just a month ago got shot in that ear and then stood up despite his Secret Service demanding that he not do so and put his fist in the air while he had blood running down his face saying fight, fight, fight. When there could have been an active sniper still out there.

Yeah, I mean, the instinct when you get shot or almost get shot is that you run and hide and duck, not out of cowardice, out of just natural instinct. And he overcame that and put his fist in the air despite having no idea what was going on. And everyone saw what he did, creating those iconic photos. So I just, I do think there's a way that the Democrats could run a race that would be effective against Trump. But we get back to this fact that

You know, I think you saw that clip before where Gavin Newsom was on Pod Save America and he made some very snide commentary about how Kamala Harris got to be the nominee because obviously he really wanted...

Yeah. And he was like, made some kind of joke about like, yeah, we really had such a bottom up organic because he's obviously angry that he didn't even have a chance to run. They imposed her on the rest of the country. They did have good Democratic politicians who are at least competent, who would have done much better. But they had this whole identity politics problem, which is that had they passed over Kamala Harris, it would have seemed like they were sweeping aside the black woman, as Sonny Hostin and others have been saying.

And they trapped they got trapped with a candidate who for as long as she's been around, everyone considered to be a terrible politician. And now that that is sort of coming more and more evident as the election approaches. It's truly it's one of those things like you see in Hollywood where you're

especially back in the day, but current day too, where some studio decides they're going to make an image around somebody. It used to happen all the time when actors and actresses signed to a studio and you had Metro behind you. And Mr. Mayor would personally make sure you would become a star and get the whole star making apparatus around you. And then lo and behold, you would become a star and the American populace would be fed

information about you that Mr. Mayor had collated and shoved into your living room, whether you knew it or not. And then those stars were carefully managed such that they did not give any interviews that were not also carefully managed, micromanaged with the right dresses and the right setting and the right imagery all around the star. And it

There was a reason for that. These stars were actually no more glamorous or knowledgeable or special other than their ability to act than the rest of us. And we weren't supposed to know that because we were just supposed to accept this imagery. The same thing is happening with her, where they all, including the Hollywood angle, you know, I mean, Halpern was the one who reported that CAA, one of the most powerful agencies in the country, was actually in there advising her before the DNC, along with some A-list Hollywood talent,

trying to explain to her, this is how you say the line. This is what you should do. And I'll bet they were back before that debate, giving her some help with her rehearsed little bits she was doing. And yet-

Unlike a Hollywood star who doesn't actually have to go out there and sit on 60 or these other moronic podcasts like the one that talks about dildos one day and Kamala Harris as president the next. Kamala Harris does have to get out there. She does have to get out there because she tried the basement campaign. It was failing. They felt they had to do something. And so now we're getting to see the person behind the curtain saying,

and that Hollywood veneer is not strong enough to stop her inanity from shining through. Yeah, I think it's a great analogy. And I would actually point out that even in the heyday of like the 1940s and 50s, where those handful of studio executives could basically control how the public perceived people, not only did they have all the things you mentioned, but they also could control the media. So if anyone...

in journalism wrote negatively about one of their stars, they'd be excluded. They would be punished. Everybody knew that there was kind of a system of punishment, even though even with all those advantages, though, occasionally they would try and make a star out of somebody who simply lacked charisma, who the public just didn't connect to, didn't wasn't convinced by.

Usually it worked, but not always. The big difference now, obviously, is that unlike then when there was a tiny handful of information controllers, the networks and a couple of big radio stations and the like all owned by the same people,

The problem is, as Hillary Clinton pointed out, is that when you have a free internet, you lose control of the ability to manipulate what people think. And so they don't have that power anymore. You can have, you know, ABC News and CNN 24 hours a day, the New York Times churning this stuff out. But there's a gigantic number of people who know that they're doing that and therefore look elsewhere, for example, to the show, which has a bigger audience than a lot of those that I just mentioned.

where they cannot control the information any longer. And that really undermines their ability to maintain that kind of image in the way that those studio bosses were able to do. - You are exactly right. And like the panic, to steal a word from the top of the show,

amongst these left wingers about the loss of control of information is evident every day in the interviews that they give. They're not even trying to hide their panic, which I let me put a pin in that for one second, because I was thinking about somebody like Joan Crawford.

who love the movie Mommy Dearest. I mean, obsessed. And, you know, they did that with her. She was one of those massive stars who was signed to one of these big Hollywood agencies. And she did all of like the Christmas interviews with the old style microphones while she gave her interviews to the radio guys with her beautiful children splayed around her. And, oh,

my fans and my family with a Hollywood accent this is my eldest daughter Christina hello everyone and my son Christopher hi everybody

And my twins, Cynthia and Kathy, who will content themselves with smiling for your listeners since they're not quite three. At what hour do you suppose the youngsters will awaken tomorrow morning? I'm afraid they're likely to be awakened and up by 630 at the latest. Will they come straight into your room and awaken you? I'd be disappointed if they didn't. And then, of course, her own daughter came out later to say she was a monster. She was beating me as soon as the cameras were on.

off. Joan's other children have denied that for the record. But that's one thing. Today, it's closer to like Milli Vanilli, where they put them out there and they mouthed the right words and they had the right outfits and they learned the steps. But before too long, we realized they actually had no talent. This was all a facade. There was no there there. And they probably went away.

Yeah, I mean, you know, I think what happened with the Democrats was they had this whatever you think of Barack Obama.

really like generational political talent, right? The ability to like move crowds, to draw people into politics who had never previously cared about politics, his ability to kind of convince anybody that he was anything they wanted him to be. That's a real political skill. And he won two straight elections. They lost with Hillary because she was a terrible politician. And Joe Biden won by the

tiniest margin because he's been around for so long and he actually does have some political skills as well. At least he did before his brain melted. When you have somebody like Hillary Clinton, who's an awful politician, or somebody like Kamala Harris, who is as well, this whole machinery can't prop them up. Maybe they can for a little bit, a little while. Maybe they can for a few weeks, like happened with Kamala Harris. But

But that's the thing is Americans want to know who these people really are. They do not trust these establishment institutions. That's the other big change from the 1950s where everyone believed what they were reading in the newspaper and hearing on the TV because they trusted most American institutions. That trust is gone. People want to see it for themselves. They look for it themselves. And they then seek out other information that shows them another side. And this, I really think, is why when you look at Western liberalism and

and sort of the ruling class of neoliberals in the West, their number one agenda, and I'm not exaggerating, is to regain control of the internet, to find a way to prevent information that they don't want on the internet from reaching large numbers of people, because they understand that that is their huge Achilles heel. And the more independent media thrives, the more a free internet thrives, the more their power is reduced. And that's one of the things I think we're seeing now is they can do everything.

Kamala has every advantage. She has over a billion dollars she raised, way more than Trump, a much better round game. All the media on her side, every Hollywood celebrity, every power institution of power,

But we're seeing that it doesn't really matter, at least not nearly as much as it used to, because the power is now more diffused because of independent media, because of the Internet, which is why that's their number one target to try and control and destroy. Yes, it's so true. Look at that controversy. We covered this on the pod that we dropped early this morning with the 60 minutes edited clip.

around, is Netanyahu listening to us or why won't he listen to us? And they made the mistake of using one of her normally long-winded, empty answers, word salad answers, on the promo for the interview, which they released on Sunday and Monday. But by the time they got to Monday night's actual piece, they had realized that that made her look bad. And they considerably tightened it up. I don't know whether what they played on Monday night was

was actually something she said in response to the question that was asked. If they grabbed it from a different part of the interview, that's a serious journalistic no-no, unless later in the interview he asked exactly the same question. Or if it was just another thing she said in a long, rambling answer that was even longer than what we saw in the tease. In any event, they did a switcheroo.

And now Trump is out there demanding that they release the transcript, release the full transcript and 60 won't do it. CBS is refusing. And Catherine Herridge, who worked both for Fox News with me for many years and then went to CBS, came out just yesterday and said it is.

There's absolutely precedent for 60 for CBS releasing an entire transcript of an interview with a sitting leader. And she referred back to her own interview with President Trump when he was president. This is the sitting vice president on 60, possibly the next president. Why won't you release the transcript? We wouldn't really know any of this, Glenn, if sharp eyed ex viewers hadn't

Put together. Wait a minute. There's a mismatch between that promo clip and what aired. When I started writing about politics and doing journalism, which wasn't all that long ago, it was 2005. In that era and long before that, the only thing that you could do if you caught the media doing something dishonest or objectionable or ethically questionable is you could write a letter to the editor. They would look at it. They would laugh at it. They would rip it up and they would throw it away in the garbage can.

Or occasionally they might publish it in this tiny little section that nobody would ever read. That was it. That was the only accountability journalists had. And as voices, independent voices began growing in the media, first in what was called blogs and now much more sophisticated types of shows that basically produce the same kind of quality programming as the networks and their audience is often bigger. Now they have nothing but accountability.

but accountability. And that has changed everything. And I used to get angry when people, when things like this would happen, where 60 Minutes would do something so obviously journalistically unethical, because like you, I didn't choose journalism as my first career. I chose it in the middle of being a lawyer because I really believed in it. It was something I really wanted to do. I thought it was important to society. It used to offend me when they were abandoned

their journalistic principles. Now, the more they do it, the more I like it because I know that what they're doing is just digging their own grave even more deeply. And the more they got caught doing these things, the more they're driving away other people who still believe in them, the few who do, and making them even question further whether these institutions deserve any of their trust. And every poll shows each year that they lose more and more of their credibility. And it's due to things exactly like this.

This just in, the Harris campaign has responded to the controversy telling Variety, we do not control CBS's production decisions and refer questions to CBS. Well,

That's true. They don't control CBS's production decisions. It would be interesting to find out whether they asked for an edit, which would not be shocking to me at all. And what's the harm, CBS News? What is the harm in releasing the transcript? Most of these outlets are just releasing the whole interview uncut. You know, I mean, I'll give credit to, I think, Stern did it live, and it just...

There it's out there. Nothing to hide. There you go. Uh, what's the big secret? Why don't we get to see the transcript? And honestly, it's making me suspect CBS even more because he has a journalistic outlet. Normally you kind of do cuts knowing that

The full thing could come out like you have you have an ethical obligation behind closed doors. Glenn, it's like when you and I used to be young lawyers and you're the document reviewer on some massive case. And you're the one who if you if you happen to come across the document that's terrible for your side is going to lose the case for your side. You decide whether it goes in the to be produced file or the to be held back file.

So these ethical decisions happen behind closed doors all the time, and it's just you and your moral code. So if 60 Minutes followed its ethical code, which should be the same as all of ours, it should have absolutely no problem releasing the transcript.

Not only that, but like in this case, as you know better than most people, certainly better than me, when you tape an interview with some public figure, of course you edit because you might interview them for three hours or two hours and you only have time for 40 minutes to show and you want to make it as crisp and concise as possible. There's a lot of fluff time that you end up editing out. That's totally normal. But what 60 Minutes did here was the part that they decided they wanted to edit out, they already put public. They already put it

all over the internet, everyone saw it. So in that case, in particular, to make that change to say, here's what she said, and then have it be mocked by pretty much everybody and then eliminate it and not show it to their audience makes what they've done even worse. And you're exactly right. For me, the number one goal of a journalist, the number one function of a journalist is to bring as much transparency as possible to the public, especially about the most powerful people in

public life, which at the moment includes or is led by Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, one of whom is going to be our next president. As you say, what this is not a psychiatrist who has a privilege or a lawyer who has some obligations. This is a media outlet. What possible grounds do they have in the age of limitless space on the Internet not to release the full transcript, especially given that the reason there's a question about what they've done is because they've created that question by showing us an answer that was embarrassing

And then editing out, they have zero foundation to justify doing that.

I know this. This is the same outlet that was lecturing all of its staff the other day on CBS News and their vaunted reputation and how we really need to live up to these standards. It's like, oh, OK. Did you talk to your debate moderators about that? Did you talk to the folks over at 60 Minutes about that? Because that's either actually a principle at CBS or it isn't. Release the transcript. Let

Let us see what she actually said and let us see what you did. 60. OK, now back to the thing we put the pin in, which is the ardent desire of these leftists to gain control of outside entities like the digital lane shows like yours on Rumble shows like mine on its platforms, places like X.

which they're constantly harassing. Here was the soundbite you referred to the other day of, or you referred to it just now, of Hillary Clinton the other day, speaking to this exact point. Listen.

There should be a lot of things done. We should be, in my view, repealing something called Section 230, which gave platforms on the Internet immunity because they were thought to be just pass-throughs, that they shouldn't be judged for the content that is posted. But we now know that that was an overly simple view, that if the

platforms, whether it's Facebook or Twitter X or Instagram or TikTok, whatever they are, if they don't moderate and monitor the content, we lose total control. Oh, sometimes they say the quiet part out loud, Glenn.

This is probably the topic on which I focus most. And, you know, even as a lawyer, I used to focus most on free speech. But over the last, say, five, six years, I focus most on the attempts by Western governments to censor and control the Internet using things like this completely fake credential they invented out of nowhere called disinformation experts to try and make political censorship seem like something that's apolitically scientific.

This is a very serious threat to Internet freedom. And as you say, Hillary Clinton, in an act of completely unintentional candor, said the real reason. This all happened in 2016 when the Internet was pretty free.

First trauma was when British citizens decided, contrary to what they were told, they approved Brexit and they left the EU. And that was a major traumatizing event for all of Europe and for British elites. And then two or three months later, that was followed by the biggest trauma that American liberalism has ever experienced, which was the loss of Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump. That was when they realized...

Things are spiraling out of control. We can no longer control the thinking process and the information diet of citizens. We're willing to have a democracy as long as we can manipulate people into thinking what we want and therefore voting how we want. Democracy becomes dangerous when they start becoming too free and they can actually vote the way they think they should vote and it is in their interest and we can't control it.

And that was when there was this not partial but very systemic effort to start creating theories. They were financing huge amounts of new groups funded by billionaires and the like. The whole idea of which was to create these superstructures to allow Western democracies to start censoring the Internet. As you know, I think most of your audience knows, X was just banned from Brazil for five weeks because of their refusal to censor who they were told to censor. France just failed.

arrested the founder and billionaire owner of Telegram because oftentimes he refuses to censor who he's told to censor. All of this is happening exactly for the reason that Hillary Clinton said, because there is nothing more threatening to ruling class power, and there never has been in history, than the ability of individuals to think and speak freely. And that's why what is most under attack is that ability.

Yeah. I mean, we've talked about before on this show, which airs on YouTube as well as on all podcasts and on Sirius XM. If we refer to the removal of healthy body parts on children in the name of gender affirmation as mutilation, we get hit. Yeah.

You're not allowed to say that on YouTube. So, I mean, they are controlling language and other other shows get it far worse than we get it. I mean, I really, frankly, shouldn't complain because they bother me far less than they bother others. I've had Charlie Kirk come on here and say he can't use he has to use preferred pronouns or he gets a strike on YouTube. So anyway, there are so many platforms out there that do comply. And.

And they want all of them. They want all of them complying and they want to shut down the ones that don't. I mean, they'd love to shut down X under Elon. Here is just another take on it. Dan Pfeiffer, who was an Obama guy, and he's on he's on that pod. Save America. Yeah. Yeah. Save America. He's out there today talking about how he he's saying it on MSNBC interviewing with Alex Wagner.

that it's the Republicans who control the media. Listen. You may not get a Call Her Daddy listener, every person with that interview, but those clips are going viral on local TV. Do podcasts. Do our podcast. Do Tim's podcast. Do 60 Minutes. Do it all. Trump isn't doing it all. There was some reporting, again, about the Man-O-Verse, but in terms of that, you know, blanket the airwave strategy that you just outlined, that's not what Trump is pursuing. He's old,

mentally declining and lazy. So that's the first reason. The second reason is Republicans have something Democrats don't, which they have a massive media operation between Fox News, Daily Wire, all these people. We don't have that yet. So we have to work harder to do it. Saying it on MSNBC, Glenn. You know, Megan, sometimes I try and

explain to conservatives, friends of mine or people I work with or whoever, audience members, because people don't believe it, that liberals really do believe that their disadvantage is that the media is not on their side. They think the media is insufficiently anti-Trump, that they give advantages to Donald Trump, that Republicans have Fox News and The Daily Wire. That's the only two that he could think of. And he's like, we have nothing.

And it's like you're on a network that 24 hours a day does nothing except promote the Democratic Party. It's part of a gigantic conglomerate called NBC News, which does the same. You turn over to CNN or ABC or CBS, like we saw with the debates, and they're doing exactly the same thing to say nothing of newspapers like The New York Times, The Washington Post, none of whom have a single pro-Trump effect.

op-ed columnist, even though they have dozens of people writing on that page. The delusion required to be a Democrat and complain that your disadvantage is that the Republicans or conservatives have a part of the media they control and nobody does that for the poor little Democrats is beyond anything psychiatrists could explain. But I always try and convince, tell people, no, they really think that that

They're so self-victimizing that they really convince themselves that one of their disadvantages is that they have no media support for their party and only conservatives do. It's such an inversion of reality that it's hard for people to believe who don't know them that they really believe that.

And rather than saying, all right, well, conservatives went and they built their own place to bring out their message or not even just conservatives, but people who are not towing the Democrat line. I wouldn't call you a conservative and I don't really call myself a conservative. But anyway, so people who won't tow the Democrat line that they're pushing. So they created their own ecosystem or partook in their own ecosystem rather than saying, OK, that's that's what they did.

It's the Hillary Clinton thing. We got to get a hold of this thing right away or it's going to spin right out of control and we're going to lose every election. But not not only that, the person that you just showed saying this, who used to work in the Obama White House, someone totally without power or someone completely marginalized, used to be at the center of the White House very recently.

They created their own podcast called Pod Save America that is always at the top of the charts. They have a gigantic audience. And the only thing they do every single day- I mean, not always. During the political season, it's up there. Other than that, people tune out. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. I'm not, right. It's not this, but right. No, all I'm saying is that it is a successful podcast. They have a large audience during the political year where all they do is promote the Democratic Party. They are very high on the list of people who listen to them. So it isn't like they haven't done that either. But the

But the reason they don't really need to do that is because they have pretty much every other media outlet who does it for them. It's almost like redundant to create podcasts that do nothing but promote the Democratic Party or or or hate Trump, because every other major network besides Fox News does that all the time. And the one thing that I always try to convince liberals of, even when they thought that I was their best friend, was an

This is back, I remember when I did, there was a profile of you in Politico and it quoted me as saying, I used to watch you on Fox News, the supposedly hardcore partisan right-wing outlet. Every time you had a Republican senator on your show or some conservative activist, you would pummel them with adversarial questions in a way that you would never, ever see an MSNBC or CNN host do with Democrats. So even Fox News, in my view, is not nearly the equivalent

of these other outlets when it comes to partisan hackery and loyalty and everything else. And to watch them invert reality and turn themselves into victims is, to this day, I find it remarkable. It's like a psychiatric illness that needs to be studied. I know.

I'm the same. I feel like this audience and go go back and look at my interview with Governor Ron DeSantis when he was still in it in the primary battle. Go back and look at my interview with Donald Trump. Even though I've been open about the fact that I'm going to vote for Donald Trump, if he came on this show in the next three weeks, I would go hard on him just the same way as I encourage others to do when they have access to the Dems. But they won't. And they've proven that they won't. Glenn stays with me. Don't go away. Quick break.

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So, Glenn, the tension between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris continues to play out in public in what has to be one of the most delicious storylines we've seen in a while. I mean, even though he was, you know,

and not up to the job, even currently, never mind for a second term. You can't blame the guy for loathing her. She stuck the knife in his back. She clearly was ready to go just as soon as he just out of the blue called her. She was totally surprised to receive the call and told her that he wasn't going to run again. Within two minutes, she had the whole thing secured. And

And now slowly, but surely he's like, I'm still president. And as of today, you're pretty much a no one. And it's been very interesting to watch him try to undermine her. So

First, she went out there on Friday and she was doing a campaign event. And for the first time ever, he went into the White House press briefing room and gave a presser about the hurricanes happening down in the southeast and said all sorts of nice things about Ron DeSantis. He stole her fire and she'd been upset that she couldn't get Ron DeSantis to take her phone calls. Meanwhile, she's she's the vice president. She's not the president.

And Joe Biden's like, it's been taking my calls. We're all good. He's been great. I've been great. He's been great. It's been great. Thumbs up for Ron DeSantis. Oh, what? Then this week it happened again. She went on The View. And at that moment, he went out and came to the microphones and once again started speaking about the hurricanes and basically embarrassed her. And hold on, I'm trying to find it. Then, okay, now,

20, what is 28? Let's see. Oh, so then Kamala Harris comes out and she digs at Ron DeSantis. She's mad that he won't talk to her and make her more relevant and important than she is. And Ron DeSantis is basically like, you know, there's this gnat bothering me on my shoulder as I'm trying to manage the safety of millions of people. Here's a little sampling of that in 28.

utterly irresponsible fish.

gamesmanship, instead of doing the job that you took an oath to do, which is to put the people first. The governor of Florida has been cooperative. He said he's gotten all that he needs. I talked to him again yesterday and I said, no, you're doing a great job. It's all being done well. We thank you for it. And I literally gave my personal phone number to call.

Okay, so that's a flavor. She's not content to leave it at that. She's got to make Ron DeSantis seem like he's the partisan hack here trying to politicize a hurricane. He's actually got work to do. He can't sit on a sex podcast and talk about men's testicles all day long like she's been doing. He actually has to manage a massive pair of storms that are endangering his citizens' lives. And she doesn't care. She goes out on The View online.

just Tuesday as Milton was bearing down on Florida and doubles down on her attack. Here it is in SOT 27. I have called and talked with in the course of this crisis, this most recent crisis, Democrat and Republican governors called, taken the call, answered the call, had a conversation. So obviously,

This is not an issue that is about partisanship or politics for certain leaders, but maybe it's for others.

It's about the fact that he doesn't need you and has made clear you've never called him ever before during all the hurricanes that have hit Florida while you have been vice president ever. And there's a reason you are desperate to be in contact with him right now. I'll give you one more, Glenn. Two more, actually. Stand with me. Then President Biden that same day, she was on The View on Tuesday. He goes out to a presser on Tuesday. Here's what he says.

The governor of Florida has been cooperative. He said he's gotten all that he needs. I talked to him again yesterday and I said, whatever. I said, no, you're doing a great job. It's all being done well. We thank you for it. And I literally gave my personal phone number to call. So I don't know.

There was a rough start in some places, but every governor, every governor from Florida to North Carolina has been fully cooperative and supportive and acknowledged what this team is doing. And they're doing an incredible job. We've got a lot more to do.

Okay, so that was Tuesday. Then Tuesday night, she goes on with Colbert and she attacks him again. She attacks him yet again. DeSantis says he's managing this storm because she just can't let go of it. And then DeSantis finally goes on with Brett Baer last night as he's trying to sound the alarm about the dangers in Florida and urging people to evacuate the targeted area. And he gets asked about this nonsense. And here's what he says in SOT24.

and i heard what you said about vice president harris and the phone call did she ever get through you know brett like i said my job is to marshal resources and work with everybody to have an effective response if i and she thinks it should be about her if i honestly thought that there was something to be gained i would pick up the phone and call her the fact of the matter is she has no role in this process

She's not part of the chain of command. I am working with President Biden and FEMA and our state and local partners, and we're getting the job done. She has never been interested in any of the storms we've had in the state of Florida for her entire time as vice president. Now she's out there attacking me because I'm not catering to her whims. All she's trying to do is inject herself to be a part of her political campaign. I don't have time for political games.

We've got a job to do. We got people's lives on the line. And that is our sole focus. She's managed to unite Joe Biden and Ron DeSantis. Glenn, what's happening here? There's so many revealing but even more entertaining aspects to this. First of all, just put yourself in Ron DeSantis' shoes. You have this very scary hurricane. I have relatives in Florida. That's where I grew up.

It passed by South Florida, but the center of the state is getting utterly decimated. So you're the governor of Florida. You have extremely serious responsibilities to the people of your state and of all the people that you would

want to speak to, if you created a list of all the people you would like to speak to, to help you get the things you need to provide services for the people of your state, the vice president of the United States, a ceremonial position would be literally last on your list. Why would he possibly want to talk to Kamala Harris about anything?

And also, it's so transparent why she's calling. That's the worst part. And then for her to turn around in this projection and say that it's DeSantis who's politicizing it when she had no interest ever before in natural storms or disasters or anything else. Suddenly, a month before the election, she wants to be able to say, I briefed the governor DeSantis. He briefed me. It's so transparent. But I also do think.

The funniest part of all of this, and this is not the first time this has happened. It's happened many times. You went through a lot of the examples and there were others. Just think about it from Joe Biden's perspective. He did not want to drop out of the race. He believed, whatever is true, that he had the right to run, that he could have won, that that was his nomination that he secured, that was rightfully his. And the only reason he got out of the race was because he was threatened.

by Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi and everyone surrounding Kamala Harris that if he didn't get out of the race, they would continually destroy his legacy through leaks and even invoke the 25th Amendment to force him out for the first time in history if he refused at the end of the day, not because they cared about his competence. Had he been ahead, they would have been fine with it, but because they knew he was going to lose. Imagine after 50 years in politics, you finally get the one thing you've been seeking your whole life, which is the presidency and

all these people who are supposed to be your allies stab you in the back day after day in the media. You don't think that he's harping all sorts of vindictiveness and anger, not just at Kamala Harris, but at the entire Democratic Party establishment? And don't you think that if Kamala loses on Election Day, the person who's going to be laughing the

hardest is going to be Joe Biden because they were the ones who were so sure. So of course, a lot of this is intentional. You don't stay around politics in Washington for 55 years and not understand that every time you're praising Ron DeSantis while she's out attacking him, that you're purposely sabotaging her in the most delicious and

I mean, it proves that at least part of Joe Biden's brain, like the political part, that's probably the most active because it has the most practice, is very much still working, at least to the extent to enable him to enjoy that. Totally agree. And now you get pieces like this one from NBC News today. Biden didn't know Ron DeSantis had refused to take Harris's call when he praised him as gracious. OK, hold on. Sure, Jan.

No one believes that. Also, why would that matter? Why would that matter? Biden was saying our relationship has been great. Everything he's asked for, we've given him everything we've asked of him. He's been doing. Why would it even matter if he was taking Kamala's calls or not? That wouldn't affect anything that Joe Biden was saying. Think about how ridiculous it would be for Joe Biden to say, oh, he and I are working together all the time, but I'm a little upset that he's not talking to

Kamala Harris as well. Why would you want to talk to Kamala Harris? Why not talk to Pete Buttigieg? Or like, I don't know, any of that. You can just pick a random person in the government who could do more for you than Kamala Harris, who literally controls nothing.

So, you know, it's just my orcas who's been dealing with some piece of the FEMA funding. I mean, there's you've got choices other than Kamala Harris. So here's here was the interesting thing. DeSantis says, if I thought there was something to be gained, I would call her. Well, maybe he's selling her too short because Harris is saying that she had a call with the Democratic mayor of St. Petersburg, Florida, and she she had this diddy to offer. Watch.

Let me just, first of all, thank you for just answering the call to lead in the way that you have, you know, in a time of crisis. Your folks are looking in your eyes to see something in you that lets them know everything's going to be okay. You know, the outreach from the White House and from FEMA has been excellent, and we're really going to need your help, too. Okay, well, know that you've got it, and know that you are invited to give any feedback about what you might need in real time.

Oh my God, Glenn. People need to look in your eyes. This is why Ron DeSantis does not return her calls.

I mean, Ron DeSantis has had always very low patience, maybe even lower than would be good for him in terms of political interests, with political theater, with political nonsense. He takes that job seriously. He really believes in results. I think that's part of what made him not such a great politician when he ran for president. But in this particular case, that's the sort of thing that you want when you're dealing with something as devastating to the people of your state as a hurricane and the

The idea that he would even consider for a moment having some performative theatrical call with Kamala Harris, knowing that she doesn't care in the slightest about the hurricane, the suffering of these people, she's only looking for a campaign ad, must disgust him so much. And then the fact that he even had to address it probably irritated him even more. And this is the sort of thing I'm saying is that it shows how politically inept she is. Like even in that conversation with the St. Petersburg mayor,

It just came off as so disingenuous. It's just like it did losing this this theatrical concern, pretending that she had control of FEMA. The whole thing is just so vacant. And that's the word that I would probably choose more than anything else for Kamala Harris and her campaign.

There is no world in which Ron DeSantis would participate in that. He's just there. He is too authentic, strong and busy. I mean, that's all he does is solve problems. It's really sad to me that he ended his campaign in the way he did. It would be very great, I think, if he would give it another go, even though he'll be a couple of years out of office when DeSantis.

the next term ends, whoever's in there. I'd love to see him elevate higher because he's truly, truly competent. He's smart. He cares. Who gives a crap if he doesn't, you know, worm you or have this most authentic smile. Okay. Speaking of Milton. So,

It was bad, but it wasn't quite as bad as they feared it might be. As of Thursday morning early, DeSantis was saying it's too soon to tell how many people had died in the storm. We know at least four were killed in St. Lucie County on Florida's east coast on Wednesday because two tornadoes touched down in relation to this whole weather mess that hit them. More than 3.2 million people in Florida were without power early Thursday.

And I'm constantly, as I'm sure you are on your show, ripping on the media for all sorts of valid reasons. But I will say during storms like this, I tip my hat to those who are willing to go out there and bring people the story because seeing the reporter in danger with the swirling winds does make people tune in. It makes them care. And we do need people to care about these massive storms because ultimately we're the ones who pay for the cleanup.

So we put together just a little bit of what happened last night. Anderson Cooper was one of them. Brian Enten of News Nation was another. Here's a little montage of the reporters who were out there taking it last night. And the water now is really starting to pour over. If you look at the ground, whoa. Okay. Got hit by something. That wasn't good. Situation here in Sarasota is starting to turn dire. At first we had, okay, we're gonna go, we gotta go, we gotta go.

This is a local Fox reporter. Look at that. That looks scary. Oh my God.

That is terrifying. Those are just from a storm chaser catching some of the video last night. It's dangerous out there, Glenn. And, you know, too often after these storms, we just kind of go back to, well, it wasn't that bad. Everybody forecasting that it was going to be absolutely awful was wrong and we should stick around for the next hurricane. And that's that's really not the takeaway. The reason it's not worse this morning is because people did listen.

Yeah, and just to your point about the media behavior and things like this, the commendable, you know, Anderson Cooper doesn't need to fly down to the middle of an extremely dangerous storm and stand in the middle. No one really does.

When I was saying before that I actually do believe in the profession of journalism and the value that it produces, that's the sort of thing I'm talking about. There's no partisan aspect to reporting on the devastation of a hurricane or going into a war zone and risking your life or sometimes losing your life to report on what's happening in a war. It's the only way people can really understand the reality. If that's what the...

The media and journalists continue to do. I would have a lot more respect for it. I think most people would. That's the sort of thing that we want. As I said, I grew up in South Florida. And at the time, South Florida was the epicenter of a lot of these hurricanes. There was one really terrible one in particular. I forget the name of it. But.

But I remember we would board up our houses. It was terrifying, especially when the brunt of it would come to you and trees were falling and wind was circulating and there was waist-high water all throughout where you lived. These are really serious things. And I think it is important for journalists to go and report on that. And that's why it just stands in such stark contrast to what Kamala Harris is trying to do, trifling with this, playing games with it.

You know, inserting herself for no reason into it other than to gather. It's exactly what DeSantis says. She's trying to make it all about her in a way that is so selfish and so unserious and so creepy that that was why I reacted so strongly to seeing. I hadn't seen all those clips until you just showed me them. And it's amazing just how obsessive she is about it.

I know. Have some respect. I'll say a word on Anderson Cooper. I interviewed him when he came out with his book, which was a tribute to his mom, Gloria Vanderbilt. He's a Vanderbilt. And we had a really profound conversation about the loss of our dads at a young age and his brother died by suicide. He was older than Anderson and he jumped off of their balcony of their Park Avenue building.

Really dark stuff. And Anderson admitted and was open about the fact that all that war correspondent work he did early in his career, where he really placed himself right in the heart of danger, which really, I mean, let's be honest, that's what he did again last night. As you point out, he did. They could find a lot of reporters at CNN to do that. They don't have to use their biggest star. Was driven, he admitted to himself, by war.

in part, a death wish. You know, like he'd been close to death through family members too soon in life. And maybe there was like a

a depression or a darkness in him that was making him kind of want to tempt fate or get close to it again. It was a conversation I've never forgotten. And even though occasionally I'll rip on Henderson because everybody's fair game, I do have kind of a soft spot for him because he's been through a lot and I respect the fact that he does things like that. So there, we have a nice...

We have a nice media moment for once, Glenn, about a group. I don't think we have many of those, Megan. So it's nice. I mean, actually, he and his husband have a property in Brazil. I've had the opportunity to sit down with and have dinner with him. And I have walked away with the same impression. So, yeah, we don't get these moments where we praise corporate media employees very often. So here is one where we got to.

Yeah, we'll take it while we can. So keeping going the discussion about the storm, another storms because there's Helene Milton and people are still suffering massively from Helene in North Carolina, the western part of the state. Yes, there's a political element because that's largely red counties out of the 25 most affected counties. I think 23 are Republican counties now.

Um, so this is an overwhelmingly red area that's suffering and there are areas in Florida still suffering in any event. Now it's become a question of where's the money coming from? Where's FEMA? Where do, do we have the funds or don't we? Because do we have this soundbite of my, my orcas, you guys out there saying, um, we don't have the dough and we need it. Do we? Yeah. Stand by. Here it is.

And that's led to a lot of people saying, why not? Where is the money that FEMA has in its coffers? And there's no question that FEMA has an immigrant population.

services pot of money that it has been spending from. It's got $1.7 billion in grants to that group, and then it had a bunch of money over in the disaster aid group. The latest actually is in 2024 alone, they have some...

36 billion in their disaster aid, and they had far more than that, 650 million in their migrant services aid available. And they're burning through a ton of this money. So a lot of people want to know why there's so much in the immigrant services pot right

And why we're not using that money to fund American recovery in the wake of these storms. I think it's a fair question. And it's led to beyond that. Why are we giving all this money Ukraine? Why are we giving money to Lebanon? Why aren't we giving money to North Carolina? America first, to steal a phrase. And this led to this pretty remarkable exchange between Peter Doocy and Karine Jean-Pierre at the White House the other day. Watch this.

If he's got money for people in Lebanon right now without Congress having to come back, what does it say about his values? There's not enough money right now for people in North Carolina who need it. That's not misinformation. Wait, no, that is your whole your whole premise of the question is misinformation, sir. Not Congress, that there's not enough money to help people. We're talking about the SBA disaster loan for people in North Carolina. And that's important. And people in North Carolina need that. Congress.

Wait, this is nothing new. Peter, this is nothing new. The president's letter is not misinformation. Would you agree? No, the way you're asking me the question is misinformation. There is money that we are allocating to the impacted areas and there's money there to help people who truly need it. We don't know how bad Hurricane Milton is going to be.

And so we're going to need additional funding. We're going to need additional funding. That's exactly what I just asked about. And you said it was misinformation. What you're asking me is why Congress needs to come back and do their job. That's what you're asking me.

Did I say 36 billion in disaster aid? That's what I meant to say. 36 billion in disaster aid and 650 million in the migrant services. OK, so but they're saying it's not enough. And he's trying to raise the point of like, why are we giving all this money to Lebanon when we can't take care of the people in North Carolina? And she dismisses the whole thing, Glenn, as misinformation. His question is misinformation. I think this actually raises one of the most important debates in our country, namely the

Who does the ruling class in Washington prioritize? Whose interests do they prioritize? Who don't they care about? One of the things that has bothered me a little bit about this debate over the last couple of weeks with North Carolina is everybody picks and chooses which expenditure they dislike to say, oh, that money should have gone to the people of North Carolina instead. The reality is that a major part of what the United States does is we fund the

in the billions and billions of dollars, all sorts of other countries. Not only have we given $8 billion to Ukraine just in the last week alone, we've also given $8.5 billion to Israel as well. Those bombs that we give to Israel are the ones that are being used to blow up a lot of civilian infrastructure in Lebanon, which we then send a tiny fraction, $195 million to Lebanon for humanitarian aid to take care of the people who have nothing to do with terrorism, but who are nonetheless blown up.

That is, I think, what Donald Trump ran on in 2016. That was what America first meant was first we take care of our own citizens and our own country. Our communities are falling apart. You look at people's opportunities. They don't go to college. They can't go to college. They have to work two or three crappy jobs just to barely stay in the middle class. Both parents have to work. Fentanyl is overflowing in our communities. Until we fix our own country and take care of the priorities of our own citizens first—

Only then should we consider helping other countries in their wars and paying for their wars. And it's not just $195 million to Lebanon. It's $24 billion we've sent to Israel in the last year. A lot more than that sent to Ukraine in the last two and a half years. All

kinds of billions of dollars going all around the world, filling the pockets of Raytheon and General Dynamics and Boeing. And you see the Secretary of Homeland Security say, we don't have money for FEMA. That is the reality. Americans come last when it comes to the priority spendings of Washington. That is why Donald Trump, I'm convinced, won in 2016. And that continues to be, in my view, the most fundamental flaw of Washington policymakers.

It's so true. Like, I'm sorry. I'm genuinely sorry that people are in the midst of wars and getting bombed in foreign lands. But Hurricane Helene was a bomb of its own. And there are a lot of Americans who are seriously in danger and suffering, babies, the elderly, and they need all hands on deck. And you hear Mayorkas just going out there saying, we don't have any money. Why not? Why not? Peter Doocy actually went out there. He was

pissed that Karine Jean-Pierre tried to dismiss his question as misinformation. Like, how can the question be misinformation? I'm asking you if what Biden said is true and if that remains true and where's the money? So he came out and defended himself in a post online just after this. Here's part of it.

Peter Doocy here, outside the West Wing of the White House, where this week, one of my questions about foreign aid versus hurricane relief was called misinformation. President Biden is fond of saying, show me your budget and I will tell you what you value. If he's got money for...

I've got the information right here.

is posting on social media about $157 million in additional assistance to the people of Lebanon. President Biden is posting about how the Small Business Administration's disaster loan program is going to run out of funding if Congress does not come back. To a lot of people watching these briefings, a taxpayer dollar is a taxpayer dollar is a taxpayer dollar. That is not misinformation. That is a fact.

Good for him. To your to your point earlier, Glenn, how that pesky Internet just allows you to do a lot that you couldn't if the Dems had total control over information. But I think this really does go to the heart of everything that is happening in our political dynamic and why there's been such a realignment in terms of who the parties attract.

Donald Trump in 2016, when he accepted a Republican nomination, said, I'm here to represent the forgotten man. And like, what did that mean? What it means is so clear, which is that there are some very wealthy and powerful people who typically reside

on the East and West Coast, they control Hollywood, they control the media, they control Washington. And then there's this huge portion of the country in between who are American citizens, whose communities have been destroyed, whose jobs have been shipped overseas, who have no American dream left, and nobody in Washington really cares. Maybe not nobody, but almost nobody in Washington really cares. And the way you know that

is by looking at what they prioritize. Exactly what Biden said. You can look at the budget and see whose interests are prioritized and whose isn't. And I think the reason why Americans are so angry at the ruling elite and the status quo, why that determines who they vote, why they've turned to Trump, I think that's why they're turning to Trump again, is precisely because they know that and they

know it better than the people who are thriving on both coasts, the minority of people who control our institutions. This is the fundamental tension, not only in the US, but throughout the West. Immigration comes in and it harms working class and poor communities and people of color as well. It doesn't harm people who live in the richest parts of Alexandria, Virginia, who work in the White House or people who live in Paris and Berlin and

And Madrid and this or in London, and this is the fundamental tension that's tearing Western democracies apart, is that these governments don't take their primary responsibility of taking care of their own citizens' interests seriously at all, at all. They don't care in any way. And people obviously are going to see that.

It's so true. So well said. And then the nerve of Karine Jean-Pierre to just dismiss the questioning about it as that's just misinformation and closes up her book and walks away. I'm not going there because you are full of just the enormous disrespect, not just to Peter, but to the

the Americans who would like an answer to. All right. I'm going to take a quick break here. When we come back, you talk about Trump. You mentioned him there. And earlier we talked about how Kamala is struggling to be real, that that's what Americans want. You aren't real. I'm going to give you real after this break as Trump goes on a podcast with Andrew Schultz, who we love. And he's been on the show a couple of times. And I was in tears. I was laughing so hard. All right. Stand by.

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No, I don't want to be nice. You know, somebody said you should be nicer. Women won't like it. I said, I don't care how they say that. A guy came up to me today. He said, sir, you really should be nicer to her. The women won't like it. The women want safety and the women want to have a country that they can be proud of. I think. I mean, honestly, Glenn, that's honest. That's Trump. Like, I don't care. I I'm not going to be nicer.

I mean, first of all, for so long, so many liberals refused to admit what is just so obvious, which is that Trump is incredibly funny. I remember Tom Carlson saying at the RNC that Trump is actually the funniest person that he ever met. Trump is hilarious. Like, if you don't if you understand that a lot of what he's saying, he realizes is intended to be amusing.

you will see that humor immediately. If you take seriously everything that he's saying as some awful thing about which you want to be offended, then maybe you won't. But look, I mean, I'm sure there are a lot of people who listen to that and don't particularly like hearing women spoken about in that way. But as you said,

I think all of that is outweighed politically by the gold that he has of being able to say whatever is on his mind. And that does build a certain trust in people, even if they don't like the particular comment that he's uttering at the moment.

That's right. Here he was. Okay, so he goes on with Andrew Schultz, who did such a nice interview of Trump. I have to say it was very funny. He's a comedian and he is hysterical. If you ever get a chance, watch his Netflix specials and you can go back and find our episodes. We'll get you the numbers. But I died. I laughed so hard every time I've talked to this guy. He's so funny.

R-rated, but so funny. Anyway, so he asked Trump, they get into the subject of Trump's nicknames for everybody. Look at this bit in Sat 13.

I'm good with names, you know. You are. You're very good with names. Pocahontas. Yeah. We have names. What about... And there was... Tampon Tim was good. What about... The problem with Tampon Tim, it's hard to say. Yeah. In other words... It's a mouthful. It's a lot. Yeah. And you can't stutter it through when you fall. It's really a lousy word to say. Yeah. But it's quite accurate, right? There are some...

like Comrade Kamala. It's a little hard to say. She's Comrade because she's obviously a communist. She's horrible. So I call her Comrade. And it's not bad. But when you put the names together, it's a little, you gotta be able to pium. No, you gotta be able to put it out there. I mean, honestly, like he'll talk to you about anything. He'll tell you how he comes up with the nicknames. By the way, the name of the podcast is Flagrant.

Well, just two things about that, Megan. One is the Pocahontas thing is exactly the kind of thing I was just talking about.

I remember all liberals believed that him calling Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas was somehow racist. When in fact, he was mocking her racism for having claimed Native American status to advance her career when she in fact was not Native American. Pocahontas wasn't mocking Native Americans, actual Native Americans. It was mocking Elizabeth Warren for pretending to be one when she wasn't. She is a pretendian.

Exactly. The other thing is, I find this so interesting, is I've seen a lot of this having worked with Rumble now for a while and kind of delved more into this sort of subcultures on the internet. Fame is now so fragmented. There are a lot of people who have a lot of influence and a lot of fame who,

who most people who work in mainstream media have never heard of, let alone even talked about. There's this whole kind of subculture on the internet with people who have millions and millions of viewers, way more than most people on television, and they're unknown. I guarantee if you ask most people who work in media or politics who Andrew Schultz is, they would have no idea.

even though he commands a gigantic audience or Theo Vaughn, people like this. It's a really interesting thing. And younger people in particular have no idea who, say, George Stephanopoulos is, but you ask them who Kai Sanat is or I Show Speed, and those are their celebrities. Those are the people who they listen to. And the internet has really fragmented fame in this way that I think is super interesting. And Trump has been going on those shows, I think, oriented by Barron, who listens to them.

Because that's who young people listen to in a way that has been really effective. That's a good point. Meanwhile, Tampon Tim went over. He gave some speech last night and they put him next to some gamer. This is the Harris's response to the Trump appeal to young men. They put him next to a gamer who is playing the game online in a split screen next to Tim Wall. So just show you a little bit of what this none of us totally understood this. Here it is.

I hear this. I don't know. I don't really like Donald Trump's personality, but I like his proposals. Which ones? Tax cuts to billionaires, taking away women's reproductive rights, not dealing with climate change, not having a plan for immigration. Okay. I'm not sure that's the same thing. I'm not sure that's going to get it done with the young men, Glenn, but that's what they're doing.

I mean, you can go and try and speak to certain voters if you're a natural the way Trump is. Like he fits in very well with those shows. He talks about the same things they talk about in the way that he talks about them.

If you do it, though, in a way that's totally condescending, like, hi, I'm Tim Waltz in my relaxed mode here to talk to you young people while I game. And it comes off as super cringy. I remember the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign really believed that if they dragged Lena Dunham around everywhere and made members, she took over Hillary Clinton's Instagram account, that this is going to be the thing that was going to propel all these young people to go out in droves and support because they see Lena Dunham as the representative. And if Hillary hung around with her enough, she would have been the one to do it.

these, it's so out of touch. Like you either have that ability or you don't. And in those two clips, you see who has it and who doesn't. It's so true. Oh my gosh. Here I am as my normal person. Oh, by the way, the Andrew Schultz MK episodes, uh, are episode number 74 and three 58, 74 and three 58. Uh, so funny. Okay. So let me keep going because, uh, on the subject of Trump's

humor. I'll tell you this. When I went and interviewed him in September of last year, one of the comments I made on this show when we were debriefing about it after the fact was how Trump does meander. You know, he meanders. You ask him a question about, you know, this pen, and then we're meandering down a lot of lanes. But I made the point he always comes back and answers your question about the pen.

Like he does. He uses his opportunity to answer, to say the things he wants to say, the things that are on his mind, whatever. But he will get back to you on that pen at the end. And this came up in the Andrew Schultz interview yesterday. I've never heard him describe it quite this way. Take a listen to Sod 11. You know, I do a thing called a weave. I don't ramble. If I start a story, what you do is you weave things and you do it.

You need an extraordinary memory because you have to come back to where you started. Yes. A weave is only good if you come back. They don't give you credit for that. It's true. You can go all the way over here and then get back. I can go so far here or there. And I can come back to exactly where I started. Now, someday when you don't come back to where you started. You're Biden. You're Biden. You're Biden.

The weave. He's been kind of defensive about his rambling because he's been taking criticism and sometimes he does ramble, but it's interesting to hear him like own it. Right. It's not like Kamala with like, I am the strength and he is the weakness. He's like, let me talk to you about the things people are saying about me.

I really think this is the key thing going on in this election, and it's been the key to Trump since he's emerged, which is the one thing you get from polls is that everybody hates politicians, they hate the political class, they hate establishment institutions. That's undeniable.

Obviously, Trump in the beginning, there was this incredible novelty to him because he acted and spoke like no other person did who had a chance to be president, let alone who became one. After eight years, maybe that novelty has worn off some. People are not as excited by it. But even still, after being president, having run three times, the way he speaks, the things he's willing to say, the way he's willing to joke about things is

It's so radically different than almost any other politician that if you hate politicians, if you hate the political class,

You see on the one hand, Kamala Harris, who's the living, breathing embodiment of the establishment that every word that comes out of our mouth seems calculated, even when it's inept on the one hand. And then you see Trump being able to go on TV shows and just speak in the most, you know, the way ordinary people speak and without any concern for the impact of what he's saying. And that continues to be his greatest strength.

He doesn't care. He'll be self-deprecating. He'll kind of, he's in on it. He's in on the jokes about him. He's mocked his own hair. They asked him about his truthfulness on the podcast too in a good exchange, SOT14. I'll tell you what bothers me. Kamala the other day said he is against IVF and everybody knows that that's false. She has an ad on that I'm against IVF. She knows it's untrue. She has an ad on that bloodbaths you out about many things.

And she's a liar. There should be some kind of a rule when they know it's a lie, you can't do a commercial on it. I have a hard time doing it to them because I'm basically a truthful person. But frankly, she's given me so much ammunition, I don't really have to. She's a radical left lunatic who will destroy our nation.

I have to say I appreciated it. I appreciated the basically. That's Trump with a wink and a nod saying, I'm still a politician. And I know who I am. But honestly, that's the irony of Trump. You put down Trump's lies next to Kamala's lies. And Kamala's lies is as long as Santa's scroll. I mean, it just goes on and on and around the world. Trump does lie. There's no question. But

But he's not like she is. And never mind her running mate where who can't even open his mouth without giving us another lie. And also, yeah, what I think is I'm not necessarily ready to say there's a gigantic difference in the quantity of lies that Democrats tell and Trump tells. But what I think is important is that.

As you say, it's the self-awareness. The Democrats, pretty much as their defining trait, are so sanctimonious. They're so self-righteous. They would never engage in self-deprecating humor in that way, like a wink and a nod about health, because they think they really are the living, breathing embodiment of benevolence and nobility and all things good in the world.

Whereas Trump doesn't put on that air. He's willing to kind of joke about himself, even in those moments where he's saying things that he knows might not be true. There's a kind of a winking cynicism to it. And I think that's why he just comes across as so much more likable.

Yeah, I agree with you. And I don't know what the Delta is between the two of them, but her lies are all over the airwaves. He's exactly right. And she'll lie about things that have been debunked over and over and over. She just doesn't, she doesn't care. Um, here is the last thing that I wanted to show you. He told a story, Andrew Schultz asked him a story about Don Jr. that he got from Don Jr. And here's that exchange, SOT15.

I would drive him crazy. No drugs, no alcohol, no cigarettes. I would say that. Did you say that to Don Jr.? Yeah, Don's a little wild. He told me a funny story. And he said to me, he goes, once he asked if he could have a couple of his friends over for New Year's. Was it New Year's? No, no, it was July 4th. Right. On top of Trump Tower. Right. And you said yes. He's like, I want five friends. You're like, OK, I'm out of town. Go for it.

He brings 200 people over to Trump Town. Okay? That's right. Okay. He says that you weren't supposed to be there. You end up showing up. You hear some noise upstairs. You come up. You go, what the fuck is everybody doing here? Get the hell out of my house. He said he cleaned for the next 36 hours. And he said, to this day, you have never brought up that it even happened. And he said...

I'm starting to believe it might not have happened. So can you give him closure? No, it happened. No, I can never give closure. You can't.

Here's the follow-up to Don Jr. tweeted it out after the fact. True story. He literally never even brought it up ever again. I waited for weeks waiting for the shoe to drop. My father never even mentioned it again, which was such a worse punishment than literally anything he could have done to me at the time. LOL.

Those are nice moments. You will never, ever hear about that side of Trump from this media, which is, I mean, literally out right now with the piece in The Atlantic by never Trumper in chief Tom Nichols talking about how he's the he he.

Electing him would be the end of George Washington's vision for the presidency and the United States. He's vengeful, emotionally unstable, convicted felon, insurrectionist, admirer of foreign dictators, a racist, a misogynist. His desires are to return to office as an autocrat. He's left no doubt about his intentions, his deepest motives are about his ego and to punish his enemies and place himself above the law. I mean,

They don't see a man, a dad, anything resembling a human there at all.

It's a caricature. And the reason is, is because they sit in a closed information circle and they reinforce all the time for each other, to each other, that Trump is this sort of completely sociopathic monster. I've had the opportunity to spend time with Don Jr. and a couple of other members of Trump's family. And at the end of the day, when you have five adult children and they all clearly have

loyal to you, your grandkids are loyal to you, that doesn't happen automatically. A lot of adult kids grow up and dislike their parents, people denounce their parents. Trump has had none of that. So whatever else you want to say, he clearly is somebody who has earned the respect and the love of his family. And for me, when you're judging someone's character, that is one of the most relevant factors

There is because, as you know, as a parent, it's not that easy. You know, you have to be a good parent. Sometimes you have to be hard with your kids. So you look at Donald Trump, whose family obviously adores him, and you look at the caricature that liberals constantly create of him, and there's no connection whatsoever. And even the fact that he could have joked about Donald Trump Jr. that way in his party, most people would be like, oh, no, he's never had a party like that. He was like, yeah, he had a party like that. He's kind of wild.

Just that is so authentic in terms of other than like, oh, no, my kids are model children. You know, people understand the realities in families. And it's just, again, part of his willingness to speak in a way that's not very calculated. It's super fun to think about Donald Trump, especially back in that day and age when Don Jr. would have been a teenager coming up and walking into that. I'll end with this one, which is kind of a nice moment. 17.

So how do you instill the ambition in the kids? Well, you know, I've seen a lot of wealthy families where the kids are mostly don't work out too well. Some don't turn out to be bad kids, but they end up hating the father or the father maybe wanted him in business. I mean, I have one father that's very competitive with his son. He's if the son were more successful than him, he would hate it. He would be.

unhappy. I said, are you crazy? It's supposed to be the other way around. My father was so proud of me. He was, he was a successful guy, but my father wanted me to be more successful. I mean, he was so proud of all the things I wish he could have seen what happened. Oh, that's kind of sweet. There's a, there's a human in there, Glenn. I got 15 seconds left. I'll give them to you.

I mean, I'm sure you've thought about those things with your kids. I know I thought about them with mine. And so there's no way to fake that. The fact that he's given so much thought to that sort of thing, the fact that he's navigated through it, it shows a humanity that typically people refuse to acknowledge.

That's right. And they need to because a man's had his life almost taken twice now in as many months. Glenn, what a pleasure. As always, still our number one guest, number one, most frequent and beloved. Thanks so much for being here. I intend to keep it that way, Megan. Thanks for having me on. Awesome. Tomorrow on the show, the man you've heard me mention multiple times today, Mark Halpern will be here along with his buddies, Sean Spicer and Dan Turrentine. Don't miss that.

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