JRE MMA Show #160 with Francis Ngannou
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The joe rogan experience.

What's up, man?

Good to see you have .

a lot of experiences since the last time I saw you.

Yeah.

a lot of things happen.

That's why, like always about writing my book, i'm chapter, keep adding up, adding up, adding up. And yes, every time you feel like your choice maybe in the beginning or in the mirror.

yeah I don't think so. You're definitely only in the middle .

of .

somewhere. He is not the beginning, but it's a lot of experiences. So tell me about leading up to the time purified.

oh, tyson fury fight. That was great. You know, I was just the living a dream, you know, get this big moment, get that fight that I been have been waiting for four years.

The fight that everybody said you were never gonna. Yes, which is crazy. Thank god for the saudis, because they are making things happen, which is really incredible and .

is not like who is who who is that you know is like, okay, we wanted to happen then make that happen yeah because everybody .

wanted to see IT up. But he was one of those things where everybody dismissed IT. Everybody said that's not gonna happen time and fear is the heavy way champion.

Why would he fight a guy who doesn't have any professional boxing matches? That's crazy yet. That's not going to happen and and happen. And then everybody said, you didn't stand a chance then when you knocked him down the sack around over a holy shit and when you're dancing over, money went down.

Yeah but you know I think um a lot of people do mistake something you know and I always tell people like not because you are father， that you walk in the ball and is this guy come into you, maybe this fat guy come into you and then you stand there and because your fighter don't think like he is a track, everybody could be a track. You Better step take to step back and then like see your distant and get ready to defend yourself.

You know you don't, uh, if everybody hit you, anybody hit you, you're gonna get hurt, you know? true. So yes, I might not have been doing boxing. I'm not a boxer, but still i'm a fighter. And even if I wasn't a fighter, you know, I can hurt and I can hurt somebody.

you a big mother .

and so I was watching IT and people was like, no, he stand no chance. He has zero chance. I'm like they notified on earth that zero chance, that element of zero chance doesn't exist. I mean, um if you look at IT, I mean man, guy and then two men together, someone might have more techniques, might know the sport, but even if I never been in the gym, you still Better watch out. I still have a chance, maybe not as much, maybe not equal chance, but I still do have a chance.

But you can't miss someone like you and drop, drop your guard and .

do anything. No, we also be in the I, I have seen fight that people show up and then they pretend like, oh, they're gonna fight the stone in the hand and if you dismiss them because you think like h he's a small guy, he hits you with the stunt in his hand .

but by the time you .

find out that he has one in the hand, you are in the .

ground right exactly um but he was very clear to me ah that you had some interesting strategies when you went to that five. First of all, you were fighting a lot of IT in south paul, why why did you decide to do that? Was that something that you you guys had devised before the fight? You thought I would be an interesting strategy or is that just like the way you like to box?

I like to books like that. But I also thought he was this strategy um that he would be a good strategy as well because like basically on this a tire five, I think the self pole was a big component in that fight because every time that I realize uh that every time that I switch to sample, he was thinking but when I switch back to utter dogs, he was pricing so when I want to take a break, I swish to sample in that a bit.

What was IT like to mean there's obviously you ve had many M, A, A fights have been very successful. Usc heavy way champion as an M A fighter. But what was the difference in the feel of like going into a professional boxing fight with a guy like tyson fury y who is the heavy way champion, the world and one of the greatest of all time? He's absolutely one of the greatest heavy way boxes ever. Yeah.

but he was completely different. You know, uh, the environment is different, the organization is different. It's different to be a step in the rink for the first time.

Okay, you have all spotlight on you, but your the ring feels different. Sometimes you are in the cash you used to. The case you lean on that case you have that feeling.

You you you crap the the cage, yes. And then in the case you know that you can you can do more。 You, you, you can rest so you can do this and you are comfortable with that.

But you you're in the ring for the very first time, somewhere that you never been. He feels different. And then you're thinking, like all men, how am I going to do? Am I going to be able to do tree round?

Am I going to be able to do four rounds? I don't know. I can find out just now, there's not a way back you to find out.

So every by every own you have to think about like, okay, how am I doing this? The first round and second round? Okay, so is the food.

I'm not too bad. So I think I can get there. Just go like that.

So you about enduring?

Yes, very concerned about endurance. He was ten rounds, and I didn't know how I gonna be feeling. After the text round.

you turn IT on the eight round. And the eight round you had IT with some big shots. Yes, that was one of your best rounds.

Yeah the yeah, everyone was pretty good. Then I get, then I pull my my feet off the gas on the night rounds and then the ten rounds, i'm like, no, like, oh, I feel good. This the last one, right? So good. That's when I start to do like those, this superman parent of this stuff for me he was .

already a win. He shocked the world, that's for sure. Did you have any um mock fights in the gym? Like did you bring any professional boxers and have like try to go eight, ten rounds in the gym? Yeah but like with no head gear, like smaller gloves, did you do anything like that replicated and actual professional boxing?

No no. We just like Normal sparing uh have different sparing partner sometime to push me but um we didn't do anything like that. You know as the may fighter we used to spare without gloves, without headgear and stuff.

But you get into boxing, everything is so strong, so specific and then you get to the point that you kind of like us yourself, like why taking a chance to hurt now and get and get pull up of the fight. Well, i'm just going to train. I train the base that I could, that I can. Then I will get there, see you, get out what happened.

So but from the time the negotiations started to the time of the fight, how much time did you have to prepare for this .

for the negotiations?

No, so you have the negotiations. And then once IT was signed, how much time did you have to prepare for the actual fight itself? And how are you're preparing? Already hoping you were gonna a .

boxing match yeah but is different to like thing that oh I I have a uh a books in march. I wanna have a books in match done when you have a books in much and knowing who you are going to fight is something different.

You know you prepare the real preparations that now and between the moment that we sign the fight to the fight itself, he was over three months because I know that he wasn't my my film, you know and I didn't have any um and is not like I was in the gym training books in every day so he was basically four months so I was yeah I took IT in a moment for a free camp. I came back here well because I was in came around at time, then I came back here, my team and night. We work on like everything that like a prem, you know, just trying to get in shape, start like sparring.

And then we started, we started the sparring with tree rounds. The first ring was like tree rounds. Move around, see, walk around after rounds.

You know what? What I thought when I saw the fight is, imagine if you had just gone into professional boxing, like ten years ago, how well you would do if you know MMA, no kicking, no wrestling, just professional .

boxing for you to .

do that? Well, I against a guy like tyson fury. Y who's that good.

I don't really know. And those are the stuff that I don't usually think about. I think life sometimes just had a path.

You follow the part that a the destiny that life has for you, and you just be great for because, regards of the fact that I didn't a start ten years earlier， I didn't have that opportunity ten years earlier. Meanwhile, I had to discover enemy and have a great journ enemy, have a great experience in enemy, you know. So is something that I would not regret, that I would not be that up of opportunity of study boxing.

Early thing just happened. I took, I took my chance. I do, what I can do is all about. I figured out how far I can go, what I can possibly do, you know, so i'm not the eighteen years, twenty years old guy that I dreaming to have a career into this, but I still wanna know what I can possibly do at this point of my life.

Yeah, what was the experience like when I was all over? Like, what did you feel like when you just went ten rounds and a lot of people, including myself, thought you want, yeah.

oh, I feel, I, I, I feel very great. You know, like, regardless of the result for me, knowing what I was going through, what was in my mind, like, what's gonna happen to this fight? First round, second round? Then I get in the ten round, good, and I pretty, I feel like I wasn't doing bad.

So for me, I was a wind. I was a satisfaction, you know, right? The result was, or a part of IT who did a matter moss. But I knew already that when, if ever, we get, because I couldn't guarantee that we will get in the ten round. But if ever we get there, I wasn't expecting to win when you drop.

definitely not when you dropped him in the second around. I jumped off the couch. I jumped in the air.

I would say something, you know. I want this from the moment that they accepted to fight that designed to fight because I think um I was on the very on the estimate, you know they didn't know that I would I could have do something. You know if they have known that beforehand, maybe this I would have never happened because I would have see a risk, and I wouldn't want to take that risk. So this was basically like, less is zero risk.

And he probably would have been different too, because he, there was no footage to prepare for you, right? Like the only footage that he could prepare was watching you fight them in may.

Yes, he was.

There IT is while you dance and in front when we started .

fight when they refreshed. H, okay, you guys go to your corner. He said, let me take you .

to school.

So that was, the dancing was like, I think you are a by professor, you A. That was the early reason why I did that.

He's a funny guy .

and he's funny. He's very .

entertaining. Yeah so .

that happened to really like been very uh, talented yeah boxing graded but is the entertainer mean he's .

the way sells IT? I mean, even the way I was playing with this fat, like standing next to you, like Robin.

he's belly like sometimes he would insult you. I don't know if it's insulting you if he's making fun, but it's just funny that you have to laugh. You have really have.

He can talk about how big your deck must be.

He's a funny dude.

man.

He's a funny dude. He said, that seems the first that said those things, the first time we met and you would pull some stuff off some time that you like what? And I really have a hot time and understanding what he saying, no, I do. I like in english .

is first language .

and to translation, tell me .

lish hard on the gypsy king. He's create character. Did you hang out with him at all after the fine?

No, we didn't hang out. But the I think we we both respect each other and I think he always, he always, I mean, he was entertain tainan, but he always, always should respect he. And I know that he he said he respected me even from the beginning.

You know, it's not like this was after the fight, even from the beginning, he could say everything that he would say to make you sure to laugh, make people laugh, you know, but is very respectful. That's cool. yeah.

Um was there any talk after the fight about a remand?

Yes, there is. There was even very much close. Had had got like a first gar very much close. There was some something in the contract of about .

very much clothes IT. Was that if you beat him?

Or if was if I get in the IT rounds?

really? yeah. wow.

So the deal of the rematch was if I get in either.

So why did the rematch materialize?

I think it's a timing I think is a matter the timing. Yeah.

so so you go from that fight to the Anthony y Joshua a fight? yes. So tell me about the preparation and leading up to that fight.

in fact, the preparation for the antonio who are fight. Then I started, you know, I after having like four months of training up for the right five, I had this feeling, you know, then I get little, I get a little confidence. Now I know high works like ten rounds and then uh was pretty good.

You know the tissue fight um I think I sport I spot like ten rounds for like. Two weeks yeah like four four sparing of ten rounds belly but IT is the antonio were fight six week before the fight hours. No, I wasn't tend.

Now the tension should yeah you for which before the fight I was already doing like ten rounds, and I was feeling good, you know, even little lighter. But things plays out different. And I think unlike the tyson serizy that nobody expected me to do anything, here they were expect me to do something.

So they played, played out little different. And then we get into five week. And then every time that we can do something in the five week, uh, wherever is media, they can pick me up and then I get there, have to wait like one or one hour before he arrives.

And that was like a maybe the first day of the week that we do we Cooper, he said that he start to get really uh, mad or upset about like, yes, he is how to get they do to get very tired. But at the time I didn't know what was going on, you know so i'm like, now come, I relaxed to we is okay. You know, I didn't know until we get to the five day friday, we save a email pick up time.

I mean, this one thing up among orders, pick of time, a different day from the hotel. And then when the senator, by ten, twenty, there is a car in your door wearing, we go to the supposedly five, five time, mean, between midnight to one year, we get to to darren's ten, forty five days, a producer come into the locker room. The all guy we're running late on the broadcast.

Now we we, we gna go out on one forty five each. I'm like, okay, one forty five and forty five three hours. Okay, you know.

so what do you do? Do eat, do you sleep? What do you do when you know you three more hours?

You don't know, you just see there. And then you have like a your test guy around waiting for you to be.

how far before the fight do you eat?

Usually maybe like for five hours yeah like maybe five to six hours. Then you get some snow in between, you know and then, yeah, he was one at on one dirty that he was and arrive. I found three armed late.

So we supposed to fight at one forty five years, arriving at one day. What does that mean? It's going to.

So so they playing .

games until we, we fight at one at tat duty. I have been in sauty for almost two months training to fight between midnight and one. That was my IT, my training time by two, three. And so they wanted .

to keep you anxious, dragging on on psychologically, put IT in your head. You don't know when .

you're going to fight. Pretty much, yes. But even at that time, I didn't know what what's happening IT was after after everything that I am like was going on, because I get, I get to the point that I was so tired I was in the locker room, hit and meat, then sit down for sleep.

Then I tell eric, you remix, like, brought something wrong. I feel I A sleep. I feel like I wanna sleep, like i'm swedged. But we just keep we just keep doing so that's fine.

Um I mean, not to say, antonio, a shock win me, you know I think if there somebody that you uh you can lose against him, he he is he is the guy, you know and he is one of the best of doing IT, you know but and this is definitely not on him because he wasn't the guide was sending all those email, was organizing. So i'm not blaming about anything, but the organization were now they did quite some stuff that wasn't fair wish on the ties and fight was perfect. Everything was perfect because I wasn't a trade.

I wasn't. Nobody cares about me. Everything was organized.

We get there in the locker room. Meeting was two hours before the fight. Probably .

yeah um .

so then i'm late.

What anthy just what is a veteran. He's been in the boxing game for a long time. He was knows all the different tricks.

They also obviously very much prepared for your style. They saw you fight times fewer. So they had tape on you as a typing py. Did not have boxing tape, he didn't have any footage to study but the Anthony y. Josh, what did and IT was very clear that he knew you had certain tendencies and there are certain things that you did with a nice and fury .

fight that he exploded in his fight maybe and then um I think again, I think he is a capable to figure out everybody I think is capable to win everybody. But in this case, I feel like in some ways they stand on my way a little bit.

They stood your way. Yeah so they they played some games. Yeah well, they wanted to get the most advantage possible, you know which is that, you know smart if you were their coach, their manager, that's what I would .

do to but he wasn't the coach that was a organizing the fight.

So he thinks the organization itself that they set everything up in his favour.

the organization, I mean, yes, his team was part of organization because he was a queensberry and mushroom. Those emails must come in from from day.

So those are the people who told you to get there three hours earlier than you need to be.

Yeah.

yeah.

Those are the people that were sent in the schedule, the five way schedule and everyday will send everything like pick up time, the program on the schedule.

Um have you had a chance to go back and watch the Anthony y. josh?

Yeah, what I mean, I didn't. Yes, I I washed IT. What was your occasion?

What do you remember about the fight? What was different watching IT.

oh, even like feeling IT. He wasn't even before I went to wash IT, I get in the ring. Was wasn't was, you know, wasn't feeling myself and the first round when you knock me down like I fell and I was like, did I sleep like what exactly knocked me down that make me fall like this punch?

Because I felt the punch. But he wasn't dependent that would knock me, knock me down, you know? So that's when I really get confused at that time. Mom, like them what? But this is the thing from that moment I get knock down, which depends that wasn't that hard because that was hard.

No.

he hit, he hit my hand before, hit my face. And I felt that, I felt the pens. But I was in on the floor the first one, and then I get count, then stood up.

We finished their own. I went on my corner. But by the time I went on my corner, I never came back from that.

I keep going. And I remember being in my corner until we was like a don't go on sample. He's waiting you on soup. Do this charm, do this charm that that from there. I don't remember when I left this two to get in the second round.

but I was probably from the big punch in the second round. Two, right?

Yeah, but i'm taking a boat fiscal, right.

But the memory afterwards is always gna be cloudy after a knockout, especially a bad knockout like that.

Yeah, I remember, I remember exactly what's happened until we get to this school. I remember being there like that, having plr invision like the guy was in front of me, the my team was in front of me, speaking to me, and then the voice was, get in distance.

So you think there is something wrong?

I don't know if he said was the fatigue. I don't know what was IT, but something wasn't right.

So something wasn't right on. Forget about the punches he landed. Something else was wrong. So we're saying.

yes, do you .

think it's something you ate? Do you think of something I don't know that someone gave you?

I have no proof. I don't know if maybe did you get .

tested after the fight.

maybe is the fact that I can um I get at that time so just .

the fatigue in the, I don't know for this fatigue. E right .

yeah but something wrong I I wanted to get um first of all, like when do all those things happen?

You are in the moment you don't think like you don't get out of the fight and thinking like could get tested, you know your processing and then see to understand, to see how 的 he was wrong。 But by the time they said, I think I need a we have to do like within two five hours to do like blood or urine in to have and fourteen and twenty four hours that was said. So I didn't do that. I I can say was that I don't know.

but IT felt like something was I wan.

he wasn't me here.

So did I feel like something was wrong, like just the fatigue? Or did you feel like something was wrong, like maybe poison, maybe faa fatigue. yeah.

So just fatigue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is a also an aspect of experience, right? Because this is only your second professional box and fight.

And there's things that people do like they they do very intelligent things to like dragani Davis, when he fought rank or sea, he made him rehydrate him dehydrate get down to a low weight. And then he there was a laws in the contract where we couldn't gain more than ten pounds before the fight itself. So we went into the fight, dehydrated smart for a guy league ivana, who is a huge puncher, you know. So there's things that like experience professionals that have been the game a long time will get a fighter to agree to this, not in their best interest. And then there's things that they can do to you, like make you wait all day and make you wait around, which will fatigue.

Yeah but if there wasn't a thing, oh, something in the contract that was forcing me to do something, the only thing was like to show up on time, right? So that that was everything because like before or that the week before sparing everything feels good. I spar with more Better way more stronger than what I did on the fury fight.

Even my spin partner was different at that time. You know, on the furious fight we were getting some uh some, uh, somebody in maybe after the six or eight rounds， just to wait me down by the quality of a boxing wasn't that impressive right here. He was different and I was able to hold. I know that if I had to fall, he would take a little more to get me down.

Well, anthy judge was a big puncher, is a big puncher, and he punch is fast, is fast, and he's a one punch knock out puncher as supposed to. Tian, you could not guys out with one point. Ch, but really, he wears guys out. He beats guys up and then takes them out later, like the the anti wilder fight, like he beat them up and then he takes mount, you know whether Joshua can take people out with one shot. A much bigger, physically much more powerful guy.

really, with that, yeah, I knew that. I knew that.

What would you do differently if you could do? The Anthony, josh will fight again.

Does the problem? We did everything right, right?

Everything in preparation.

in preparation. We did everything right. You know, sometimes, you know, like when for for example, I I fall step, I went back and I could this.

I could make a whole list of what I did wrong, what I could have done Better, and as why I, even after that fight, my next fight again, directly, which was so bad, because I was still working on the list of what I have been the wrong. But here we were very discipline. We did everything and everybody was professional.

You can say, a, this person did this wrong. This should have be like this. This should have be like that.

It's so different too, because you're going from no professional boxing fights to two of the very best, not just in the world, but the two of the very best ever. And the Joshua olympic medalist, elite ite fighter and incredible athlete. Mean, he's so good. So did you think like at all about having fights with maybe some guys that were below that level to get more experience like after the tyson fury fight may be fighting a guy who is like ranked fifteen or sixteen th?

I'd never thought about that now for the money .

and the money in the big fight. The big fight is is obviously yes.

one a big fight. So like, uh for example, um after the tension should we fight if I go for another guy? Uh top fifteen. Like what what's the goal here? I mean again, i'm not twenty years old, i'm not twenty five that I have a plan to grow up the ranking and get to the championship. I want just give .

that money yeah.

get the money. I get the good, the big fight out of the big fight. you. So that was, that was the go yeah well because like first of all, going to the tension shi fight.

You didn't know if there was a plan after that, if there was another fight after that and then after the time and should fight the next fight that you have a call for. Was the unite? Were you trying .

to get a different fight after the test, purified, after the same purified? Were you trying to get a rematch? Or were you just willing to take whatever they .

are offering you? The remark was there, we know we had the very much, but he was going to fight music first 嗯， think that is supposed to happen in december and he couldn't yeah, he couldn't couldn't fight in december. So I wasn't really on something.

I was just there. And then I get the offer of what do you need? Sure sure. Then like, let's go. Yeah.

so where they stand now? What would you plan doing now?

What do I plan on doing now? I think I still have copper in me. I have copper. Yeah, copper box in fight. Yeah, basically box in fight. I have cop, M, M, I fight and I think haven't think like i'm gonna fight m in my fight by the end of the year um we'd be if I going na fight might have to fight in salty again really.

yes. Well one of things that has been discussed that um apparently the U F C might be open to because the throw around so much money is the potential of a um a joint promotion across promotion with univers john Jones.

Make IT happen that .

is what the world wants to say because when you have a gilot yourself that you know noxious debate becomes the undisputed usc, everybody champion, and then, through negotiation, only decides to relinquish the belt, everybody, even though john Jones is champion now everybodys like that. But you didn't win the title against the champion, and you were the most compelling fight in the heavy way division, for sure, for john Jones.

Well, that's what I wish. But you know, in this, this, this, this takes a lot more than what I want or I wish, right? So tell me, what is .

the status of your deal with the P. F. L. now? So how does that work?

It's working pretty good. We have a good relationship. I have some fight um again, i'll be fighting by the end of the year. And then do you .

know who you're fighting?

I think rain and failure is the guy. Yeah.

that's together knocked out， right? Beter yeah, he's dangerous. Git.

been in people about the almost two years. His guy, yeah, but very athletic.

very athletic.

Fast one, two new stuff, like, very athletic. yeah. So I think is, is, is, is gonna be him.

And you think that fight will be in saudi ara as well?

Yeah, that's what the P. F, A. Interesting is working up.

interesting. Do you know .

when that'll take place? October octo? Yeah, the working on october yeah, is not finalized yet. But the there was talking about october.

Isn't that is around the same time the U. F, C. Has that big a bubi card? Don't they have a bag? I can you go to the F C S website, secret adobe Carters, I believe I want to say somewhere around the end of october is a big U F C card in avodart twenty fifth I way, october twenty five. So october twenty fifth, yeah yeah.

So one week have to.

Yeah interesting. yeah. I don't know if the U. S. C. Has that card finalize. Do they have their card? They always put on a big fight when they go to abadi. W is always a big card, a lot of, like, top level fighters on that card. 嗯。

yeah, even this, this read one.

Gonna be A B cut. sure.

If we make that happen gonna be gna stack that card.

Do you know who else would be on that card with you?

Again is not finalized yet, but I think a syrian bombay would be under two bay.

I love that. Yeah, that good. I ve had him on the past four.

He's comedy, is a medium. He's.

he's very funny. Damn, he can fight how crazy began back up. Whatever is he kick.

Boxer t xr, he trained at my gym in L A when I had my gm in L A, my gym in L A. His trainer came when he did my pok, and he had a workout session. And man, his workout sessions are crazy.

He's so cardio intensive. They're doing, like springs on the trade mail. And they run to the heavy bag.

Springs on the heavy bag, run back to the trade mail. I was like down, like watching. That was like, no wonder what this guy has a crazy .

gas tank when he was a champion on go for long time. So that just was a stake.

He was not in everybody out, not just knocking everybody out, but the way he did IT like he melted guys. He put pressure on them. And not our power, but intelligence, and just great technique. But the cardio was crazy and I remember thinking like this do doesn't get tired and then watching him training my oh, there IT is I mean, he's not just doing like Normal made work like I i've seen other guy's work I would to do meet work to do the things like his stuff is cardio intensive. Man, he has, he wants to have a full gas tank when he gets in there.

How crazy was I fight what .

they call the fight because he stepped on a piece of glass inside the case.

I know. Man, I don't even know what that was doing.

So yeah, he like that on something. I just stop .

the fight and you even check the cave. If there dangerous.

that IT is dangerous. But that should be a no contest. There's no way that you kind of the loss broken, but no contest at all. No chance .

is a complaint about like, I book something that didn't happen, nothing piece of glass, a piece of any .

what do so and saying, just let me get IT out of my toe. Let me get this out of my toe. IT shouldn't be there.

And you know, things happened. Who knows how would even got in there? Who knows what happened? The odds? Just some random freak acts. And he steps on something that nobody, you know what?

That could have been stuck to someone and shoe and someone's walking around the cage with that stuck in a shoe and that falls other shoe. And IT sticks in his toe. He stands on IT. He gets in .

his toe and he just points .

down this and stop the fight. Yeah, it's like about what you're supposed to do, like a fighter can ask for a time out and so like.

no, no, he does wrong time out.

There's a foreign of something.

Foreign .

objects continue, continue. See, you find the footage though, because the footage is is so obviously something wrong. The referees should just say time.

ask, say IT wasn't .

like he was in trouble and he was looking for time out.

Yeah, he in position is like nobody is good.

So here IT is he's standing there.

Yeah is not like, nobody is nothing. Nobody is losing position from that. IT is not like you take a punch. I want to recover from that.

Fuck crazy.

Yes, no, I just don't understand that at all.

I mean, I haven't talk to mark about IT. That was an a good decision.

I don't understand. I mean.

maybe he is hindered by the rules. Maybe that's just what the rule state you have to do. Fighter says you have to stop something for a second.

I don't know what the rules are in terms of that. I've never seen that happen before. I've never seen someone step on something inside the arctic gun and then point down to their foot.

I've never seen IT, so I don't. But man, what a shame. We came after that.

Anyone wants next five. He's going to fuck up a lot of people. Man, I was bombed out that he went to the P, F.

I want that go in the U. F, C. He, a.

you know.

he got a lot of years. He wanted, he said, he said he wanted to go to the U. S. A. And then they give him some sort of contract like now bra.

they give a bad contract.

Yeah, he said that on the on the tweet, right? I don't know.

I don't know to IT.

Well, that's .

crazy view. That could be a superstar. He could be a superstar.

he said the first yeah is a super star. The field of the basic arena in paris.

yes. And Frances 的， yeah. I mean, and that could translate one hundred percent of the united states into the rest of the world.

I mean, he's not good. He's that good. Yeah, he's one of the best in the world. And the fact that he's over there, just like, well, great for the pfl.

Great for the pfl, you know, but for the u fc, like that's a big loss, like any time you can get in a little kick boxer and he did a lot of training. He did A A lot of training and restless, went to a train. There is really worked on.

take down the offense and he want something, yeah, he finites want.

And guy has serious discipline and work out, and he's a smart man in the way he fights. He is like he said, guys, and he talk so much ship before the fight, too. He found.

did you what she's first fight at P, F, the guy bring a party mattress. What the fox is is so jodan go to sleep and he put the guy to sleep. Yeah, in few second.

Well, the the differenced train, his level of striking in most guys, that division level striking is like this.

Yeah.

there a huge .

couple guy, just trying to compare with the rest or and even if you don't have a Better, restless and him, at least you grab him, you avoid some punch. yes.

And the thing about him is that every fight start standing up. One thing of you are really good, restful. You have to take the guard of the ground, but the fight start standing. You know, with cedric, the fight starts in his best place.

And then you see how he was fighting the second fight. He was very low. He went very low. Like to your rest of, yeah let's see how you're gonna yeah get that level change yeah like i'm already down here. So getting very is very intelligent .

and again, his level striking and we see that with like guys like alex predator, right? Like that level of striking when you're a glory champion, the level of striking is so high, it's so above the average and A A fighter. And when you get in there with these guys, don't they don't want none of that.

And then as soon as they started get like A A little restless defense and stuff like they become a trouble. You can take him down anymore and and then you you stand in front of him, he smoke you. Yes.

what you do, what you see that with the Alice? Yes, take down defences much Better and he keeps getting Better. He he's evolving .

so quickly like now because he's been training yeah, he's been training for so long.

He's been training for so long and then he's also training with gloves. Also former champion, I mean, glover was a guy that was locked out of amErica for six years. He couldn't come to amErica for six years because he had VISA issues.

And he was like the buggy man we would all hear about him. In brazil, everybody who taught, yeah, glover was like one of those guys before he entered into the usc. That, and I think he wasted his prime. Unfortunately, in brazil, not also, I wasted prime, but I think his prime years were outside of the united states as why .

when he won the title, he was like, forty two is the prime I tio forty tree. You get to the you get point to, you get you to think that maybe forty tree .

is the prime use .

yeah you wash like forty tree he's not at all you know. I think at forty tree you consider do something .

yeah IT IT depends on the division right? Like George form and when the .

heavy way title at forty five yeah yeah heavy weight different more yeah is different because they don't push on that gas. Thirty .

one.

A good yeah yes that was that .

level of kick boxing who empower .

man you know .

like is not just like technique but power and enduring like it's a rare combination. He has a very, very good endurance and extreme power .

yeah he hit like a def guy.

Yeah, he's a fucking and killer. I'm excited. See what what happens. Do you understand the pl point system?

Do you understand that system? What do you mean? You know how they have a points? Like if you get a knock on the first round, you get one point or three points yeah .

I think is just to be push people for a Better fight. Everybody knows that you get a knockout. You get you deserve something Better. You get to finish. You get something .

when you get. But what if your fighting a guy that's like your level, like you're both elite and you you're both fighting in, like this is incredible fight. You shouldn't be penalty, zed, because you can't take out of fighter is the best in the world in the first round.

That seems crazy yeah. Either way, if you win the fight, you're winning something. Yeah you just win more is like a having a wind bonuses or .

something .

at the .

Better where you have a contractual, you have a contract, you're going to get paid ten million dollars whatever. Is that what you get? You don't get ten million dollars, but you only get five million if a shitty judge gives IT to the other guy, which we've seen so many times in the u fc, those half their paycheck because of a bad decision.

Yeah, but what does that benefits?

Doesn't that? I don't know who are benefits. I don't think that benefits anybody think is bad for everybody.

Other is bad for the audience. Because they like what? Because IT makes them angry. It's bad for the fighter for sure. If a fighter loses their paycheck, loses half their paycheck because of a bad decision.

how about the promotion?

I don't know. It's good for the promotion. I think it's unfair. I don't think that makes sense.

No guys trying at the elite ite level, everyone's trying to win. They're all trying to win. Yeah, no one's not trying to win. No one's gonna cost.

For the most part, you get there by winning. Yes, you get the glory of Victory.

So what are you're trying to do gonna fight less hard? I just don't understand the logic behind IT. I think it's a flawed concept and I think it's something that never existed in combat sports before ema and really shouldn't exist. I think fighters fight their best, especially at the at level they fight their best.

Yeah, I agree with you because like when you lose a fight, at least you should get your who pay on that five yes, but that one, the last one, help you with the go 呃 in the room so you you don't have a power position anymore， like just to be half of your turn because you lose a fight.

Yeah, crazy. I don't like IT at all. No, I don't like IT at all. I just I doesn't make sense to me.

I've heard people try to argue IT in every time they try to make an argument for I don't get IT. It's not fair for the fighters. Fighters only have if they're really lucky like what's the most fights that out elite fighter in the U.

C. Has like fifty, forty five, fifty fides. You know maybe .

just maybe .

there's a few guys like that level fights. Most guys they top off way less than that.

H way, way less.

Yeah, way less.

So I think by the time you start your career, if you already you have like you, yeah good luck, bright, good look to reach twenty five, right?

Especially A C, L surgery after a year, shoulder surgery after a year and .

might might be the same. no. And most people is not like daily to start like, oh, you start at twenty or twenty five, right? Some people will get there are dirty over dirty. I mean, how you you started training so late?

Like, well, how old you when you .

started training? Twenty.

yeah.

that's crazy. yeah. Twenty, yeah. But he was my only. That was only when I could have trained, right? You know yeah.

so you only have a third years.

yeah yeah. But just wanna do the best out of those years.

of course. But there for you to be fighting on a system that piano lazed you, there's a bad judge and you you miss hf, your paycheck. Does the pfl do win bonuses to do do the same thing?

I don't know he's sadly, you know you get your .

contracts is probably different than everybody else .

is and I haven't yeah my contract is different. I know I either way, I wouldn't go for that the wind, bony stuff. I have nothing against bonuses but don't split my my, uh, my paycheck into talking about like winning is not give me my pay check. If you wanna uh, give a bonus for the win, let's do another deal on .

that one yeah that make yeah that make sense.

I just, I got whether I lose. So I I don't know how I win. I train, I get prepared for the fight.

I I come, I give IT. I give everything for that fight. I should get paid.

yes.

And the same thing that I give in, that fight to lose could have get me to win.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. I agree. And so now the pfl in battle are one organization are right? The pfl acquired balata. Don't they own part of IT?

They invest in the beer for years in the main beer re because there's a main beer firr, a house beer firr that has like A P F R and the pilato.

no.

And then now they're having like the original P F L, like A F P F A miner that launch this year and in P F F africa that's launching you and .

that's your shirt yeah and so you are part of that. Well.

right? Oh yeah that that was the biggest uh, I think that was the biggest reason for me in that contract. The P F africa part was the most important one in that contract.

You know like um before that I was trying to like even to the U F, C, I have requested to black or I wanna be A U F C ambuLance. africa. I want to do something out there.

I'm like, oh no, we don't know. You know this is not, we don't. And then I get A P F F. I say, okay, we doing this, we do that. The show me the roadmap like, okay, we launch P F africa two thousand uh to find you the P F africa chairman. Um like rush is then because I don't want that bushed of paper chairman or whatever IT is. Like what and like what exactly are you seen in P F of africa? And then they put IT out and give show me some like good then on both.

Well that is one good thing about going over to the P. F. L, because you have so much value to them.

Like for you coming over, you were the undisputed heavy champion, the u fc. You come over the pfl. Everybody knows who you are. Now IT elevates the pfl. So it's nice because they allow you to do more things .

and to be in this one thing. I have a healthy relationship, you know, is peaceful. Get to the point of my life that I really get tired or sick of drum. Sometimes I just get into something, into some fine myself in the middle of some drama. And then I just want get way, whatever you want to say, you say some, you might say, I disrespect you, you say, or ideas are that, bro, I don't have so much energy to give into that.

So that was part of was going on with the u. fc. There was a lot .

drama and take a lot out of you. You get to the point that I want. I just want this to be over.

I just wanted get to be over, get back to my life. But you are already in the meter. Whether you want to go back, you have to deal with drama. If you have to go forward, you have to deal with drama. So you bet I keep going forward.

Yeah especially I mean, like how much time you have left and come many more years, you think you going to be fighting?

And those matter. I'm in a soon daily IT and I think I gonna be I really wanna retired in my um as yes, I wanna leave the sport before the sport leaves smart. I'm thinking in my average.

like forty years.

year forty one by that.

do you have a thought of how many more boxing fights versus how many more M M. A fights you want to do?

Um not exactly. I think I would take IT how I comes. I will take IT how he comes.

And so the next file will be ema, definitely.

or maybe baby. Maybe in my forties I still feel like I have IT you know, if I feel like at forty one, I feel like I have IT t fight. I P yep, you yeah exactly the originating yeah and then take one at at at the time, you know.

But um what I what I really don't, anna do is to, like, wake up and go to the gym, like i'm force you if I feel like I have, oh, i'm excited. Oh, to this is spring day. I'm going to good day where I gonna beat somebody up or they gonna beat me up.

Either way, i'm excited. You know, if I still have that, I keep going right, right. As as soon as I don't have that, even if i'm not forty yet, I think is a sign, is a call out. yeah. Well.

that's intelligent. That's smart. That's the way you phrase IT. I like the way phrase IT leave the sport before the sport leaves you. Yeah, that's as we've all seen guys who hung around to I was.

I was to always do the sport. I would never really leave the sport by the competition at that live. You know, you need to be ready.

You need to be into IT. You need to, anna, be there. You know, just wanted, do IT because OK, I have to know you don't go play with parentis because you have to know you Better.

One, yeah. So do you know for sure you'll be fighting M, M A next? Or is IT possible that a big boxing match could present itself and you do that next?

I will save M, M. Xix, yeah, I would say m mix, because I suppose to fight. It's been over a year, little over a year now since the peer fair agreement and then suppose have a fight in a year.

So now we're getting letter out of the timeline. I know by the time we will figure out who should be my opening, and I think things are very clear now rain and ferran met his ur very clear that is A A chAllenger that should made to fight. He's the open and that can make that fight happen.

And let's assume you get past that. Will you then decide whether not you're going to fight M M. A next or boxing next? Or because one of things about the pfl is there's not a lot of chis, not a lot of very compelling chAllenges for you there.

Unfortunately, at least now they could sign some more top flight heavy weights mean, who knows what happens with many people? Know who jhones what is guys? I mean, he could wind up going to P, F, L. Who, you know, if they come up with some big money, you know, get a lot of people, they will be willing .

to go over there. Yeah, yeah. Um I mean like after I think after this flight hours, you what's happened? I don't really heavy clear mind on what would happen, but I would say most likely boxing .

most like box and most have an opponent.

Mine solution the landscape and what I can get who I can get because my my expectation, as you were asking me earlier, like how many fighter do do in my boxing, I think if I get to um if I get to like a good for fight, a plan in boxing, I think that could be good. You know good like a good for fight and then you build like no on on should be next. That could be my my potential retirement plan.

What sounds are usually made a good amount of money, like.

yeah, I have made a good amount of money. But the you also have to remember that I started to sport for passion. You know, you don't start the sport for the morning because at first day, good morning at first is just punch of flying over your head all over.

You have to touch and then fight and uh, not get paid fight for free for quite some time, you know. So I love this sport. I still love the sport.

I love the sport of. I love combat sport. I love finding ou do IT once I feel like I cannot do IT anymore.

Is boxing more unique to you? Because it's a new chAllenge.

Boxing is different to me because it's even my, my boat, my, my, even the muscle's memory are not the same. The functionality of my body is not the same, you know, or like A, I made that I know every single action in M, M, every single moment i've been the tens of time. I know I get this, but boxing you still lack, okay, you know you might get events in some position and get stressed .

because you .

never you get there to three to three times and your, uh, is okay. I can deal with IT, you know uh, M M A, I I go in A M M A fight with the nee injury. I'm still like I this, but boxing little different. You you basically know that question in yourself about if you can handle this right, like I get this right is different.

There's a lot of thinking because it's a new thing for you when you train for boxing. I know you have a due Cooper. You have eric maxic. Like did you bring other people in to help train new in boxing?

Yeah, I brought a john bomba from france. Uh, he assist a due sometime because he he's very like he has a very good at math style, which I think is something that I still need to build in my game. And yeah, older than that, I have a tree, which is my string and conditioning coach. So I put those any man down.

Did you, uh, get a chance to bar any top heavy weights? And in america.

top, if you would like him, I would see Carlos. Um video is a top top ing. Now he's my, his, my desparate partner. But in america, not other top. I get your mile military as well um but now the big name in america, which is even more impressive .

your performance against time and fewer when you consider like really did my spar heavy listen.

I think sometimes we we don't give credit to some people because they don't just have a name because they are no they haven't harvest get a heavy stage to play on, you know and when waiting like all is nobody or is not added, let me take you some example before ending is a thought, antonio, sure. Would you think about him as a illit fighter?

Now a lot of people.

is that a but he was today and he was just good at as he is right? But he's but because he didn't have to seen to be seen to be exposed. So nobody care about him. And if you say or ask part with any reason like yes, but you haven't SPA with you see yeah and there is a lot of people like .

that out there, right? A lot of .

people that haven't got the shot, yeah, but they are the prison.

They well, when you first made your way, and you know, when you told that story on the podcast of your journey, leaving camera on and making your way and getting turned back so many times when you first arrived and you finally got to friends, you wanted to be a boxer.

Not even before I left, I wanted appear boxer. Even they did. Before I left, I wanted to be a boxer that I wasn't even equation. I always know what I want.

So when I finally went full circle and became a box again, they feel like all this is, how was supposed to be?

I was leaving my dream. There is no way that I don't think there is a way that things supposed to be. You get what you get, and then you make you you, you be grateful and then you would make the best out of IT.

Yeah, you know, so I was living the dream. You know, I ended up having the fight, having to fight a two best, two best boxer in the war after having a great in my career. Not bad for a guy coming from where I came from, basically from having the path that I had, you know, and who knows, some good thing might happen of some good things.

i'm sure so happened, but that your path is incredible. And I encourage anybody that hasn't heard IT to go back and listen to the first podcast you and I did together, where you explained that I was done, I member, for the rest of the day. All I could think about was your story, and how insein IT is that what you had to go through to finally make IT to europe? Incredible story.

You know, just as I was talking, I was seen earlier um because some people hasn't be exposed having get a big, big stage like they don't care about them. There are a lot of people out there with a Better story than mine with a bar stronger than my that even me i'm impressed. I'm like to how do you do that?

I don't think I have done that, you know. But and they have a lot not like one or like two tree, a lot of people, you know. But I think I happen to be the one that have and have been exposed. My story have been exposed to the work.

I have struggle and I have .

the gan experience to tell my own story, which they don't have.

Well, i'd I be happy to have them on two if they had a story like yours. And the success that you've had from that is very inspiring and IT speaks to the human spirit because that's what people love to hear about, about someone who did not give up and struggled so hard. What how many times did you get sent back? seven? Eight times.

six times, six. ocean. And then I said, I made IT the seven .

time crazy.

Seven is a magic number.

IT is a magic number.

is a lucky number. Yeah, it's an .

incredibly inspirational story and and I love the fact that you are dedicated to doing this thing in africa now and to give more people an opportunity and to give them a path .

towards A A career you know um regards of what you might think of of of my life. I think i'm very blessed guy. I think come a very lucky guy first of all to like, I think even if when I explain, you might not really understand where I came from and to imagine that i'm here today calling the shot bro is crazy. This is just insane, you know? So I think i'm a very a lucky guy, could have really blessed me.

And then I also think those blessing comes with a lot of opportunity that I can bring back, you know, because when when I was there for so many time, I can tell you how many time that my hope was to some a body to come do something to some good summer return, to take some action that I would take advantage on. You know then he happened that uh uh I ve been blessed to be to be the guy that can do that and even without taking more um even without that taking anything out of me you know so like I like he would be a seen not to do not to do something you know like um for example, for the P F africa. My my dream about that what give me excited about that is just seen my surf not have to leave africa as I did, and then have to compete in the good platform like that, have to make a living, have to fight in the of world class fighter in that level.

I just staying home, right? I don't have to risk all this life, go through all this stuff to the ocean, to the ocean, and by wire the prison stuff that I have to do that, you know, I just have to stay home and do that. So now is a new, is a platform that gonna give opportunity to many people that maybe have you plan to go to that same path and that might not have made IT, you know, doing IT at home. That's beautiful. How could you not do think of doing something like that when you have an opportunity and is not like, uh, uh, is a word that they Carry and put on your head and you a burden that you have to Carry this opportunity, that you can just hurt a participate and make IT happen.

So tell me, how does this play out? Do you established games in africa? Or are you going to put a gym in camera on? Are you going how you going to do this?

I have two gyms in Cameron already. Oh, you do. yeah.

When to my foundation, I have one games, one games for six years now. wow. yeah. And then the second gyms been around for almost two years. And we build that one with a partner um I mean a partner help us to build that like our project with foundation and join us premier, but they join us to that to build that gym for us a very big bigger gym. So we have that too.

And we were in the project to build one, but with A P, F, one thing that I request, and then IT was granted, was that every way that we are going to do, we're gonna trying to build games at home. Because, yes, is good to bring P, F, A, to bring competition around. But remember, so many are many of those people that have nothing, many of those kids that wanna fight that might be training in the beach。 On the beach there might be trained.

They not really have a ym to train up, but yet you are expecting them to compete. I'd have a liver. So is at least good to have a system that would help them you know is like a having a garden yeah having a garden to create right talent yeah that you need for your organization, you know.

So helping them to help you because at the end of the day, you need talent, at the end of the day telling organization. So the thing is that uh with P F africa, we can to build games that fighter who use and develop. And then we can also and a help like coaches experience experience coaches a that can go and teach and also teach on another coach how to properly turn at a at that level.

Stuff like that. So does the girl, you know, is is about like building something is not like here that you come and everything is establish and you have your promotion and go no, is like building something working 呃， from the a class room. Yeah, that's beautiful.

So africa is obviously a huge continents, and there so many countries in the full of talent. What is the scene like in africa right now in terms of, like, what are the local promotions? And how many of them are there? And how many like, how many like Young, talented fighters do you see that are coming out of there that could eventually come forward to the P, F, L of the U, F, C, or belt, or or one F, C, or any large organizations?

okay. So you ask me the question, like many american, what is the seen in america? In africa? Africa is fifty two country, and I never been in five.

So I know south africa has has a large scene drg as duplicity from .

south africa, the good fighters. And that, I think is EFC something like that. Nigeria, it's been doing good also have I think is african knockout.

That was my common room is part of right. And there are also some uh, regional organza. There might be smaller oh not like quite popular.

Is there one large organization over over there at all?

No, yes.

most of them were fairly small.

Yeah, because again, you have to build everything from the rice. So everything is everybody is trying to do the best out of what you get, right? Like you is to have a good organization, you need to build gym, you need to give those fire way to train. You need to help them about like .

having .

to get experience, get training a top coaches, even get top coaches, and then more people training. At least they have training in partners, which is not they don't have you have seen I have seen a lot of some african fighter that are really good, but they don't have they have to go somewhere else because they don't have a training partners, you know.

But with with a this uh program they're gonna have, it's gonna be a whole ecosystem, a new ecosystem in the fact that you're gonna have not going to train and then maybe provide a fighter for we're gonna fight in the promotion and that we might have money and then that money would attract people, you know, would attract other people to train. Because he all the one making a living out of training, he have seen that is possible. He have seen the opportunity right next to his door.

Like I hear, I don't have to travel, is not in amErica anymore, is not in eo anymore, is here. I just have to stay here and get dedicated. So it's possible.

And the interesting two of the pfl has mean, if they establish pfl africa, the beautiful thing is that if they have top level fights over there, and then they take those fights and they broadcasters over the world, then so much opportunity. yes.

I mean, a, the divider of P, F, africa will not only be seen in africa, not to mention that the champions of the P, F, africa were a, just as P, F, A, mina and P, F, A error there will all come together to fight for the men. P, F, L, time, you know.

So that's exciting.

Everybody is getting that big stage is, uh, they're all working. They are all under like the the glow. The main P, F, yeah you see which is something that h is very entirely um and then we give more more sport light, more opportunity, also get the attention of media.

And then what is media says attention of sponsor that would go maybe to gym, to fighters and that create that would create the equal system around that. Media interests also come around and then fighter get paid and then maybe his part in partner get paid. I don't know, he assistant or somebody works, work for him get paid. And the morning is now in the loop.

And everybody, do you see yourself, uh, after you retire from fighting going into a coaching and mentor role for fiddes, do do you see yourself being more of in an executive position like working with is the P F, L. Whoever I don't .

see release, I never see myself as a cause I don't have like a vacation for that is not something that have I look i'm looking forward to although um I see myself like maybe stay in the spot some way like I I also don't see myself as a manager.

That's a hard job.

And yeah I know. cool. What about shit? yeah. Like you, I just think that to be a good is a job that you think like to be good at IT. You need to be screen somebody.

right?

Most likely, not always.

most likely might .

be on the table. So I don't see myself like that, but I see myself really like working on like the growth of the sport, basically africa. And again, does why like the P, F, africa comes to me like the writing, yeah, you know the the the retirement plan think that I could be focused on being working on, I know how africa work perfectly.

I know how P. F. I work perfectly. I know a pit, mary. And on Davis, they are very excited about IT by bro. They are White people from my america, and they don't know how africa works. I am from africa and I know the deep ground of africa and I know the chAllenge that I know the problem there as I and I think that's where I impact.

I think a role of the executive would be like it's some fans that, yes, I might have a but I think my good job is to add to work on the film because I know the problem this year, they root and the problem there, what to be done, what needs to be done, what what they, what they need. You know, I think that's what I would be best at also for Young people like yeah it's cool to be chairman of P F. Africa, but i'm not going to sit in the office. I'm like chairman and in west and tie every day to to run stuff. You know I .

think I can, but I think like for you for a Young fighter um there's no greater source of my despight tion than a golia ourself. I mean, if you look at your career, you've only been finding for ten years. Look at all of you've accomplished usc heavy way champion, fought two of the best boxers alive, international superstar. You made millions of dollars like that .

is the height of yeah but when you say that out loud, maybe you get some loss. You know. Morning is like, honey, you always a truck bees.

That's so true. That's so true. Is is out there.

So money.

But just like the accomplishment and just knowing that you came and especially again, someone hears your story of how hard IT was for you to literally, essentially walk from cameroon to morocco and then make IT all the way over to europe and then make a career and fighting, and then make the united states get into the U. F, C, and then, in a matter of a few short years, become the U. S.

C. Heavy way champion for Young fighters. That's like that.

I did IT. He did IT. He did. He came from where I came from. I can do IT. Now, once someone has done IT, IT makes IT more accessible, at least mentally.

to a lot of people. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's fundamental idea about my foundation. My the reason why I did a foundation for me, he was just so not only， uh, those kids can have access in the gin, which is something that me Green up, I was just dreaming about IT the only game that I have seen, two hours, twenty thousand.

Two, was the gym that I saw, whether in my dream or in the T, V, I never see a regime, even though I always wanted to combat sport. But I, I thought, like, if you feel like nine gym, not only those half access, he make them have this feeling, this connection with reality like, oh, the thing that I always see in T V is here is possible, you know and then the guide that maybe i've seen in T, V, on T V, or heard about he's also here like he's around. He came here so is possible you know because um so the the idea of the foundation was just to motivate, to allow them to be believe in themselves and I think is to what we are working on uh to help them believe trust, heavy trust in the serve itself, believing havoc, serve a confident on india itself.

And this doesn't matter what I wanted do in life. You might want na be a doctor. You might wanna be a lawyer, accounting journalist, whatever you want to a do. But the I do think that a guy that believe, somebody that believe, believe in himself, success for that guy is just a matter of time and you cannot be a championed in whatever you do see like doesn't you don't have to be a fighter to become a champion.

I'm god, you ve thought that up because it's another question I wanted to ask you is, do you have any other aspirations of doing things outside of fighting once you've retired? One of things you were talking to jim about before the show started was producing. You were talking about production like film and filming things. And do you have other aspirations?

I have a lot of aspiration, but not like a job. I have a lot of passions. You know, i'm passionate about a lot of things to the today.

Um I use I can have great resource to have some hobbies, you know, stuff that I uh i'm excited about, i'm passionate about. I created uh small production in in Cameron in my village, used to train kids so they can have to touch camera like this. Or those are stuff that we have here.

I have IT back home. They touch to learn on IT. You know, I just wanted to be able to Operate a good camera. If somebody they want to do or somebody wanted do a movie, they have somebody that can Operate a nice camera just home. They need to go to a europe or in amErica to bring people, because local they can do, and they have been trained in on good cameras, you know? So I have start stuff like that a lot.

What what inspired do you do that in terms of cameras and production and stuff?

I always love cameras. I always love, I see and I always impress. And then I see stuff here. And then I see the chAllenge, the difference that you know, like if you see somebody that make a film, uh, a movie that might be be on netflix with a very low quality of camera， then i'm like, what if this guy has a has access a good camera, what can he do? You know, that's one I think like .

you're talking about with fighters. Yeah but there's a lot of people that they are very town. They just haven't had their t there's shot yet. So there's a lot of people like that with film and with a stand up comedy and writing every year. Yeah everything yeah I know another opportunity.

I always say this. I think on my uh we might have become a um u um the first african champion just because there wasn't so many people that have a chance. I mean, like go when you look at a camera, a designer, I i'm sure if you go to africa, you can find somebody for you.

You can beat yourself. But lucky us, we didn't have that chance. yes. So that's very we take the opportunity.

right? But you open the door though and IT makes IT possible for others, which is yeah, there's one of the more important .

things about accomplishment and we time goes by, the chAllenge will become tough. And we come around and we be, we come very well.

Look at brazil, you know, I mean, look at brazil. This is so many champion, so many elite fighters come out of brazil now is because he is gracy open that door. And then the U. F, C. Just became placement.

And then if you take even that drug gracy on this prime, put him here is going to get bit of by maybe buy some kick boxes yeah you know but he he was the one that opened that door, you know that give that opportunity that um make the path true that yeah .

it's just it's so important that you recognize that that like your position is not just as an individual but your position is as an inspiration to others and to give people this this they see IT like I can do IT he did IT as possible yeah .

I think in life we we take every opportunity that we have. We get to the point again that we have an opportunity to office our life. How many people affects all the life?

How many people in their lifetime walk around and, uh, parents walk to them and like, oh, my good want to become be like you, right? You know, I think, I think it's something really cool. It's really great.

It's very cool. Like a parent that want the best for their kids yeah yes, kids wanted to be like you. Yes, he's different because he's not very smart. He's no wise and even kids want to be do some dome shit so you might be a bad guy.

And kids to want to be like, but a parents are really protective about they are kids like one the best for their kids and then they come like, oh, your son, such an inspiration. I didn't wanna be like you so that's that basically like him are proving that he, his kids should be like you. He hope for his kids to become like you. That's a big statement, which is pretty cool.

Yeah, that is prety cool. It's really cool. It's really cool. And it's there's such a unique time for people too, because internet is available pretty much all over the world now. So kids in all these countries, especially their phones, they have access to all of this information and is messy.

is coming for from all over. And you can, you can find everything. Yeah, everything.

Now, how to help them big? What's good? And was no good, right? Does the problem? Yeah, because information is good.

But a lot of the bullshit, a lot of IT is broken. You have to filter because some some of them are just back seat. Yeah that's through too.

yeah. And then is, have you see what what's happening in the amazon? There's this very small uncontacted tribe and they got a internet access and now are a lot of emerges on their .

phones all day.

And then the tribe leaders are like, the fuck of one's lazy. You guys coming like americans now your phone all day. They're looking at tests and and and, you know.

of course, and this thing that they .

thought would be a beautiful thing, all this would be so great. We're going to get access to information. People going to get educated instead. You know, a lot of image is looking at a tiktok videos.

Yeah.

but they to have to figure .

out how to get people, for the most part of lazy.

really you think so yeah .

I think people .

for the most part of lazy, if you give them an opportunity to be lazy um no, what's hard to be disciplined, especially if you don't have examples of other discipline people around you.

You know some people might have might have been educated, keep going to school because they choose school over a walk. That's true. And some people choose work of a school.

That's true as well. yeah. And then you go to school. And after being graduated, because I have your P H. D, then you like is educated. Is this in fact you were running away from from a job?

I'm sure that's educators. That's the ground. Are universities those people at .

end of the day, yes, you are educated, but in reality you are lazy. If you have a job, if you have a job that is gonna, wear suit and act like you both every day, he can do IT, but he feels has to, like, start something and work really hard. You can stand IT right? Yeah, you can stand IT.

But someone would also be a worker because they had vision. They want of a knowledge to, implement into something。 And then after that, they should study business. And this you know because starting the business never is never easy, right?

You have to be a work when you have a when you started business, you is not like, uh, nine to five job, you know you will have time. Sometimes you have to wake up at midnight or at two A M to a pick up a call, because this guy is, I don't know, in china, in europe, and the time different. And you have to keep going.

You have to be on this time, you have to be on meeting in the meeting at this time. So that's why you know if you are a worker or not. But you you see that the office nine to seven, yeah, where you should. I'm a manager of these. I'm that, i'm that you .

be lazy.

And lazy people do a good job too, because lazy people find a strategy of avoiding work.

That's true.

which is very intelligent yes yeah the fine ways yes, this is done without really putting in the world .

that is true. Yeah many books like that, the four hour work week you know there's a lot of books, some people just trying .

to avoid work. Yeah, but they still have to move h to watch the addition es and clothes like dishwasher, for example. I think IT is the idea of some lazy percent. I didn't want to watch teaches, are you agree with me?

So a lazy person didn't want to wash dishes.

so they heard a dish washers. No.

they invent all the inventor. H oh, machine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. About IT. Like, yeah, how can I get my dishes clean without half to watch?

IT was also is more efficient because you can put them in the.

this is efficient, but the the idea come from laziness.

interesting.

I mean, he might be, i'm not saying he is the thing, but he might be from lazy. You have point. I don't, I don't want to wash my clothes anymore.

How can I? But I still need to wear a clean close, right? How can I do to get my clothes clean without washing? Dom washington.

that's true, right? Because you only wear like one piece of clothes a day, and you only eat, use one plate when you eat. How hard is IT to watch that one plate? yeah. IT takes thirty seconds. You get some soap, you get a sponge rit off, put in the drier you're done .

like I have.

That's a good point.

man. Yeah, I never thought that I get in my house and something that I still don't understand. Sometimes I will leave plate around and then if I have my uh housekeep in coming, you'll always take take them and put into dishwasher and everything in the dishwasher.

And I don't know what happened if is the dish washer something wrong with IT? He never getting clean properly. Well.

you kind of have to clean them before you put in the dish wash, which is crazy, because if you just clean them a little bit more, you wouldn't have to put them .

in the diwan you proper save ua 技术 question。 I don't know he works, and I don't know he works. The easier thing for me is after using one or two bed, I wash IT a body day yeah is is easier. Or even if I stuck like three four bit after I come, take five minute, cleaned, put in there yeah .

is easier .

for me and running machine and rush, I don't even know high works too much. Time is gonna time. You might be loved. I just want to wash my T, V, and that he is in behind me.

true. That's true. Yeah, as true as a good point.

Yeah, that is a lazy person's invention. A smart, lazy person. Yes.

lazy people are very creative, very I never .

thought about that way, but I think .

you're right. Yeah but then there's .

some things like a vacuum cleaner you need that. You have the fuck you're going to get anything out of a carpet without a vacant player.

You need debt.

Yeah, the some adventure is a clean that makes sense. I I .

mean, everything makes sense, even like wash machine make sense. yeah. You know, after training, you can put your close day. You train to twice a day, you put your clothes. After two days, you press that button on the machine when you, when you are leaving, because that Better room you out, yeah come back is when you put the try again.

Yeah, now that's A A very good point though about inventions and and also about how lazy people avoid work and about a lot of educated people are just avoiding work by continuing their education. I know personally people that have done that, they get their P H D. They get grants to get loans.

No, you go, you're going like your family house ah and then they are like me before kids these these dishes, they have to clean the house um and then someone have your homework and even if he does have your homework is readable is a little of table so that means he's not cleaning anything because he is reading you guys I know reading you have took in so how is will people love .

to put off things they're supposed to do? You know it's it's an interesting thing too about fighters because the difference between there's like a lot of factors involved in being a fighter, there's the mentality. There's is the ability to focus into perform under pressure very difficult to do, but is also the ability prepared properly. So like to have the discipline to do everything that you're supposed to do. And it's even more, more difficult.

talented people. Yeah, I think I think fight fighting is more about discipline because not always the talented people make IT and you might have talent as much as you want if you don't work, if you don't put some work in and then get discipline, you will not get there. You don't like you. If you look like the champions of every way class, every promotion, most likely they are not the most talented guy, but they are the hard, they are very hard work, and they have like something very special that that distinguished them.

Do you know the expression hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard?

Yeah.

yeah, that's that's true. Yes, that is absolutely you because talent one of things it's unfortunate about talent is that when you're talent is you're Better than everybody else in a gym and so you can kind of get away without training his heart. Maybe your physical gifts.

maybe you just haven't understand you and you for granted, you have to work to get IT. Yes, you don't even have defeated ing that you need to work to to work more to improve IT because he was right so you don't even understand that they work for IT. You just you just uh happen to have IT yes and then they say you have to work for IT come on, work for what right? I didn't do anything nice to get IT.

And if you can get away with IT for a while, you develop habits of not training one hundred percent, not really putting one hundred percent to, but it's still being successful because you're talent. But then you run into someone who's talented and has discipline, and that's when .

you get fucked OK. And that's the problem.

right? When you get talent and discipline, you get a ichael Jordan. And then you get my time. Talent and discipline.

you get my time yeah. And then you get to you also get like some people that are not talented, but they are just the best worker in the room. Your talent will have at some point, talent will have a limit. Yes, yes, talent has a limit.

especially if someone is willing to really, it'll work. You really i'll work. everyone.

Yeah, he has to because like when you don't have talent, you basically start from nothing. Then you have one, then you have two, then you know that you have those two because you've been walking. So you have to keep working, not only to maintain to keep their tool, but to get the tree and the four yeah and then you get into that process and then you get to work yeah.

And when you get talent, you wake up someday. You have five out out of ten without working. Yes, you don't understand that you need to work to get six and seven where the guy that only has like the two, he already on the suit that he already knew that he needs to he needs to work to get those two to get the treat yeah so at some point is going na cash you at five and if you're not improving, he's going to keep going up.

He's going to get to six yes .

and he just just below five. A Better to go at six.

seven yeah and then these guys that are really good in the gym, and then when they get to the bright lights, they can perform, which is the crazy thing. There's these superstars in the gym. And I remember a from my kickboxing days, there was guys that we're just so good in the gym and then they would get into that rain in. You can see they just diminished like there were fifty percent of themselves when they can.

Do you think that?

I don't know maybe is said there's something about anxiety. They are inability to manage stress. Um maybe I don't know. I mean, I don't know what that is. I always feel like some people can overcome IT and they don't and some people do. Some people, they start off as great gym guys and then they perform badly, but then eventually they figure IT out yeah, they just keep keep growing and learning.

But though also a lot of people that go to the gym to become a world champion attitude.

you know.

I have seen a lot of there is a lot of people that you get even in the gym. They're going to trying to figure out that guy, he's good too.

I my hard to check him out, right? They have that mentality, right? So in the gym, why you maybe as a professional fighter, you are dead to train, having good raining to learn? Yes, because you know that you only have one place that you want to show in the fight, right to the two other months you in the gym.

And sometimes if you have somebody in front of you that you feel like he's not casing up with your level, you give him an advantage like, okay, let me start on the back, start on this position, advance so you can chAllenge you more. Yes, you know what you are doing. You know why you are doing that.

That takes a healthy control of your eager.

You take, you see a guy that is a good rest low, a good you, but has very bad striking. You know that he, he, you always start on a stand up. You're always start up and then he, he might not be able to take you down and like, okay, let's go start on the ground, step on me half in that because you know that you want to work that position, right? You are taking advantage on him. But some people are there like to prove that, oh, i'm something.

They're competing and their .

competing yeah, that competing yeah, and they don't usually gain more on that. And those people who get in the fight and is different, yeah.

it's different and that is a very interesting thing, right? It's like some people understand IT objectively, like i'm here to learn and grow and I need to work on my weaknesses to make them my strength. And some people want to avoid their weaknesses so they only work on their stands. They look good in a ym.

yeah, because I care about how they look.

yeah. I used to see that a lot with kick boxers. I didn't want to do judge so because they didn't like to get tapped, because on the feet they were a killer.

And then they go to the ground. They like h they look at beginner. They don't like that. They get dominated on the ground. So they would just like skip judical classes, skip restful training.

They don't want have anything to do with that. I think was also about like the generation that the people around the gym wasn't act, wasn't understanding. Also like a days the gym, there are people that if you are training with them and something happened and you tap, don't be like, oh, you're push, right, you know and I think those kind of people, they don't have the ultimate ate to improve, you know, instead of like, oh no, you shouldn't do this. You should do this instead to avoid, uh to avoid that don't like, oh no, but you don't top like, yeah you don't tap and what you go to sleep, you break your ARM, you break your ARM .

yeah you don't top training year more on yeah, it's a stupid thing to not tap in the gen. I've been stupid before. It's like a thing that people do where they they think that there yeah all you're doing is getting injured.

And if you don't tap to an ARM bar, you onna fuck your elbow up and then you might not be a train right for months. Yeah, you have what? Yeah, you know the Graces have a great perspective on that.

They will say, keep IT playful that we say that when you're in the gym, you you're just training and learning and you got to keep IT playful martir. Ca says that all the time. Who's the great studies you guys of all time?

He says you have to open up your game in the gym. You can be closed off me too defensive. You have to open up your your game and learned what happens if you get starting about that position. I learn with get caught, caught you tap.

And even if you don't get top a caught sometime, get your position in some in, get yourself in a position to get caught. Let somebody cut you and trying to defend, understand, like how to get out of there. Yes, you do that. Why they call practice.

Do you think you will ever compete? Judge to everything that something is interesting to you? Me, yeah.

No, I don't think so. I don't have any needs or cause to give up.

That's a good point, man. I watched a video of this past weekend. A guy get his leg broken.

If I was twenty five years.

i'm a sending this game because this is horrific.

If if I was twenty five, twenty twenty five, I would take those chances to all those stuff fun. Yeah why I don't have anything .

to give up yeah that's um i'm a show. You something jme. This this video, skate the fucking shit enemy.

This video is this guy is caught in this a hill hook. So where is that to Jimmy? I'm yeah, i'm sent to Jimmy. This is horrible. This guy is caught in an inside heel hook like ten seconds in the match and he doesn't tap and his legs and apps and half.

yeah, that is that stupid.

Check this out. So this guy, they scramble by.

that.

Sound play that again.

I can hear very long. 哦哦哦 me the face 不 yeah I .

like， might not ever be the same again.

No, I mean, the face like yourself, like do you imagine like just thinking of, did that you like make this .

sound like god down, spiral, spiral for a horrible and the sound was like a baseball that breaking. I'll never figure the sound. When Chris White man kicked the IO hall and snapped his nee and snapped his shin half, the sound was so horrible, like I never been the same again.

You know, it's like that those breaks, like especially the shin break. I wondered like if conomo gregor is ever going to come back again. So it's very difficult to come back from that break. That's when the worst injuries.

and I think kind of injury the most, the most a difficult part is the mental part. You don't know if he's gonna be there, right to try to get to like, you know, like you obviously you have you read right, but you read the part that is injured, the reha f of your mind be able to trust that again, right? The problem you don't like, I don't know about that. Maybe we just give skip .

this part well, even when you not injured like your fight with steep by and then you fight Derek Lewis in the back of your mind, you're still thinking about the steep, right?

I'm so fighting steppy. I'm so like, why did I did this? No, you I should be patient.

I should did you know, i'm there fighting steped and then I get surprised. One to five was over. I don't like, i'm like, okay, this is that we have one more wrong, right? Nice over be too, because I will be patient.

Yeah, well, you came back from that. How did you come back with that? How did you get your minds straight?

I mean, I think I get to the point that I just let you go and i'm like, okay, because i'm like if this the end at least last finish, how we started at at the beginning, he was all phone like, having fun feel like at some point along the way I lost that phone, I don't know when, but I lost that phone and about like, oh, we did you have to win. You didn't lose .

this but so did you make a decision in your mind to go back to having fun again?

He was just like, half fun. And then whatever happen happens, don't care you. And if this is IT, if you lose again and then maybe have to be, I have to get caught or whatever, at least enjoy IT. Then I get in china, have to five, forty five years, was about having .

found one for you.

Yes, the performance of the night. Then keep going.

So so did you ever work with a psychologist or a performance coach? Or this is, you figured out yourself.

I try, but I think I have you like a personal blow. I don't believe in that really. Yeah, I don't know.

I talk to my survey lot. I spend time with me, with myself. I mean, I most of the time about myself. I mean a long the person. So I spent time with myself, and I talk to myself a lot.

I figured out, analyze, and this was just me like growing up, you know, didn't even have like, didn't have friend, didn't have like people to hang out with, or wasn't IT welcome among kids. So I created my own, a wall in my mind, duck my own friends, and everything in my minds will just used to hang out with myself. So I get used to.

Well, that's so much Better for a person in your position in life than to have an on torch. So I know a lot of guys, when they get very successful, they have an onto oh, so they're surrounded by yes, men all this time. And that is one of the worst things that happens to a successful person.

But for them for for some people is cool. You know, like even now, I think no later than last week, I was in the restaurant and I walked there by myself. They will sit down.

The people look over there is that I can.

france is and going, yeah, what do my food? And the .

people freak out like, was, is that Frances .

somebody? Yeah, time. The answer is, yes. Basically like, leave me ano, right?

So you generally like being by yourself.

Yeah, I like to. I do that a lot. And people like, are you live here by yourself? Are you by yourself unlike what's the problem by being by yourself? It's it's being independent.

Yeah, I don't need anybody to be to decide on my happiness or me. Have IT phone, whatever you know? Yes, sometime I will spend two days in my house without going out. Yeah, i'm good with IT, and i'm gonna out. I can do whatever I want, but I just wanted be there.

I did that recently. You know, my family was out of town, and I was home by myself for three days. IT was glorious. I loved that. You just, I do give you time to .

think about that. I do that a lot. But recently i've been changing a little bit because like a staying home a lot would make me think and would make me sad. Since I lost my kid, my boy, that he will make me think and make me sad. And if I said that I would give, I will keep having those thought.

The sadness around is like, the energy around me is just sad, you know? So then what I do is, like when I start to hear something like that, I just have to force myself like get out club the coachy, get the head out of here, like i'm running away from something. Then by the time you even find a cokey, you find your shoes, do this, your mind is already thinking of something.

but if you just sit.

so yeah yeah if you're just sit in your couch and keep going, keep going is sad, then you face you, then you like hit life, everything.

Your son was fifteen months old.

month old.

What happened.

bro, I think um he has a some my formation on his brand, which is something that we didn't know. He he spent he pass out twice. The first time was when we took to the hospital, didn't find anything.

The second time was in saudi. We talked him to the hospital. They did during a lot of exam. They didn't do anything. They did the E E G didn't do this com discount or the because I think according to them, their conclusion was that he has a so long, you know, and that was what was a Price chess and stop in um him from proving and create that the thing. So after all those exam, they give him some medicine that is gonna be okay, nothing to worry about because at first they even thought about like asma, they give like a um ventilator and that after vote, after some results taking up out and then you know be he put me in confident even though like I don't know sometimes I think.

Some way in my mind I have to think that yes but he didn't show any stress respiratory if he was something from his long but aml bra he those was professional doctor and and then I trust that yeah so I basically like put my cut down and I remember being just getting into by and that day I was thinking, like, our life is, meanwhile i'm not doing that. Life is good, you know, I want to regime like, maybe I should go to club tonight and I don't go to club. I don't go out like men.

Come on, which kind of guy you? I want to the gym to work out. I'm in the back cycling.

Then I tried to call. I wanted to talk to to him when I was in on the phone under a bike. Then I called his mom.

His mom didn't pick up the phone and i'm like, ah, after i'm done, I gonna take my shower lean debate and caught him under thirteen minute after I was in the leg machine, my phone ring, he was, my little brother, say, pro things are not going away here. I'm like, what they could be. A bus out is not proving his.

We are at the hospital. They kick me out from the room, not like what's happened. And then as we are talking, he's also trying to get information.

So I lose him for three, four minutes then after I call game again and then i'm talking to him why he's talking to the nurse and the nurse was like, who are you? Are you? He's a dad he said, no, then why are you? I'm is uncle.

Where is dad? His dad is not here. Well, he's got just like that. He's gone.

What do you mean he's gone? How come his? Kon, this kid was fifteen months.

He was bigger than fifteen months. He was crane. He was the most joyful, happy kids around.

Hey, what do you mean he's gone? Gone wear that was IT. I think I was treated.

I thought again to see some no does not true. Then I keep calling again, and everybody's confirm. I called my mom. My mom is just on tear, like pro what this is. And that was IT.

And I never realize I have been in the situation that I have seen people losing their kids morning, maybe definitely order kids, but down like, man, this must be hot, even though I can feel IT a tid moment. I mean, I know you don't know. Like, what could be your reaction? You don't know.

I have been in this situation that i'm like, pro, I don't cry, I never cry. Oh, I mean, not like I never cry, but I don't. I do not just happen.

I don't know why. No, maybe because you don't have a reason when you feel like something really hurt inside you, like you can prove his hurting. That was IT. And when .

did this .

happen at two twenty eight, seven?

So this before the joshi find no after .

yeah apr twenty, almost too much that. That was IT. And then all of the sun.

You realize how a kid that wasn't there two years ago have became a make your part of your life, or if it's not like your life, then you realize that all the thing that you are worrying about did IT mean share all nothing, mean like nothing. He was the early thing at time that really mad. But is not that anymore.

But you know, one thing is that, you know, my dad was away. I was fifteen. I know what you get sick, just stay at home for a month and couldn't even go to the hospital and get to the point that he could even go to the bathroom is on his own nothing.

But I was fifteen, I was talked at school. But you know, I always tell myself, like I was a kid, what could have done and then after copy years, I like call. And then I started thing.

I'm like, okay, I had an an excuse when my dad passed away. I think i'm becoming an adult and I said, powerless. I still can do anything if something like that happened.

What happened if my mom would take like, what happened if I have my own kids like some days and they need me, uh, I would provide for them like, or predict them. And those was one of the that I always have late pushing me live in. Like, now I need to do something.

I need to take action. Then after years, you get to the point that you feel like you have get help if you get out like, okay, I can afford a her care for my family. I can take care if somebody needs to go to the hospital or whatever IT is I cannot make IT I can not do IT you know then all of the certain your own kids, which is the one that rely on you only you um you couldn't even do anything for him.

He did like by the time you get to the hospital he was on, you couldn't fight for him. I'm like, pro, let me fight. Let me say I have try.

Let me say I did something. Let's make all this world was the point if, after all this, I get to the point that i'm so this powerless in front of your real situation and that. That was that hurt that's heard like.

i'm sorry you that I can imagine I can't imagine in the pain of knowing there's nothing you could have done. Yeah, this is a medical thing that he was born with.

Yeah, he was born with because because when he happens, everybody was confused. Nobody knows. So get home then. What should we do? That's the autopsy.

how? I was tough because you think that they said, you know what that did not tell him, got him, got his head. Like, I mean, IT kid that yesterday you were going excited to talk to him.

Now they're talking about leg. Count him this way, this way. Like how come down is like, but you know it's at least good to know what happened.

Maybe that might save somebody in the future because he's still a mystery there. So say, let's do the autopsy. That's when they find all this out. True, the last time I saw him was me leaving Cameron going to the elevator and he was at a mile.

He was when my later brother, and he didn't want me to go because he became my body so much that you don't when i'm around, you don't want me to to leave him alone on if I can take him whenever whatever I go might not don't eat, he doesn't care as long as he would be like that was said he was my my mate. Like fifteen months is barely working, but you know when I worked in, you know that I worked in, you don't have they don't have to ask like who who worked in. They know that this is that you know he he reaction oh, then you started think about all those little thing or those little things that you guys have.

Just, you want him tennis over, then is over. When he was, they did that. I was living.

He was crying like wanted me to go with him. But I keep going. I knew that i'm going to be back.

I have no blue that that was IT. I will say I should have go back one more time. Can one more day? I know how can one more type 没有。

That was IT and then get back in the a parliament and see all his toys, the stuff that he was playing, the thing that you ticks, you take from him there are the day and put here it's right there. But he is not done anymore. I will never be there.

anymore. Hi kobe. kobe. What's his name I named him after could be brand, because I had a great memory of kobe brand.

Then did that. The U. S. L. Was launching, was announced in the partnership with body armor in new york.

I just arrive in the U. S. A time. My english was so bad. I'm in new york.

We have to meet, to meet in this room, this event, to make the announcement. And i'm there little early. Then kobe came early too. Meet me in the wedding room. Just could be a nice day for like thirty minute I don't my english is very bad and embarrass, I don't want to speak and then you keep talking, asking question, talk up on my story, ask me where came from and how do I get I know like, wow, this impressive. I'm like, this is school.

Be right, I don't wanna poder him but this question me really excited about IT get me to talk then I feel pat him like, I know your english is really good. I understand what you saying and then how about this that like for thirty minutes and so D N O Y was a nice guy that walked in the room and say, wow, do you know this guy story? Do you know his story? He did this.

He did that. And I say, yes, I know. Like, wow, this crazy. Wow, it's crazy how we in america, we don't know what's going around the world and kobe was there talking like that. I am like, this is copy brand, you know so that was like my moment with kobe, 所以 在 把手 回来。 哎呦， you know, I was in a when I heard a body news and hit me really bad, and I decide I can to make kobe and have a kobe.

Said the day that he passed the way, just the day before they were just a making his a little basketball court that I have for him, his ground playground for him, you know, because I was. So I wait for him to start to be strong on his feet so we can go where we can do this. We can play soccer.

I've been looking for socar click ick for him. This that, you know, you have all the project I have thought of. Like, which school should you could like? Think, oh, what should I do? You know, you never know.

Maybe something happen to me. I should set up something to keep him safe. You know, you think like that, but not IT never cross your mind that you will be the one live in first from the moment he was born, not like when he was born, when he started react.

And you really see, like in live in person, you really start to plan out like how to protect him, how to build a security. I want him, you know, he he wasn't enjoys a kid. He was a project.

He became a huge project. Everything that you think of that's good that you want, oh, is for kobe, is for ham. All of the sad that he's gone.

You've been through a lot. Your lie, Francis.

Yeah, you ve been .

through a lot.

Why a lot of people being tweet? You didn't just know. Yeah then after that you look, people had been through that losing good.

You respect them more. You give them some more respect, like my other brother loves to kids, and I feel so bad. Not really been there for him because I didn't understand.

I know that he lost kids, but I didn't know what exactly that means. Now that I understand, unlike me, I should have be there more. You know, I feel bad that I didn't connect to his, to to the software, to his pain. And you respect him more from being through that to come that twice then you think like you you start a thing like now in fact, I think kids, i'm not a tougher one though. I'm been pointing test and realized that i'm not a stop in.

There's nothing anybody could say that the crazy thing is no comfort that anybody can give you.

If that I mean, if they ask you what do you want to, how what can comfort you? You don't know. So is nothing .

is .

really about like facit daily, you know, take IT to one at the time. Do you .

have other children?

Yeah, I have a good. no. But when he happened like that, you feel like.

I don't know, even though you in your mind, you think like you to have a lot going on, a lot of thing to be grateful about getting your heart, you feel like you do. You have nothing, I think is what. I mean, always love life.

I know that I have know that I have everything of suicide, but at least for once i'm late, at least whenever I die. I'm gonna go see my kid. You're gonna see him. I'm not afraid of IT I saw want to leave, but at least whenever you know you get to you get to that point to think like that. So somewhere you're looking forward for whenever that happened.

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I'm very sorry for lost, man. I really am. I wish I could say something, but there's nothing to say.

is nothing to say. Thank you.

Thank you. And thank you for being here. Man, thank you for everything. You, you an inspiration tional. Man, you really are.

Thank you.

Appreciate you being here and the best of luck to you in everything in life.

That's why, like, I really want to come back and do something, you know, like, because I really think, like, maybe I should I get to the point that I M like, why do I fight for, you know, I don't. If you have to, don't want bad, that boy for fifteen, four, eight, fifteen months, I think he. He told me something, you know, like he was active, full of life and acting.

If there's one thing that he, he would have been doing, he would have been, do he? He would have been doing something now, not been a reason of giving up or whatever. And I think that's that's the only way to or know him it's memory, keeping my life, get a purpose. Make him a motivation. 还 听我 是。

Again, thank you, Francis. Thank you for me in her man. I really appreciate you. All right.

By right.