#2232 - Josh Brolin
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The joe rogan experience.

Little though, pep SHE needed the money. Oh, rumor, how great that, oh yeah.

When I first met him was like one of those weird things where, you know, you know, I mean, you ve had a lot of famous people, some of them you meet him muc reliable, weird farmer too. Yeah, the bomber ones of that sucks. When you meet someone, they socks.

Oh no, you're socks. Some people just, just not talk. They should only do what they do that and saying.

Then you get to know them. Like, I don't know. Like, i'm pretty good at this now where you don't, where you see people that you like looked up to like any Better.

I had a pretty close relationship. H, really later, yes, I was drinking. Then I would grab his balls. I just show that. And then I was like, I don't want him around what josh around .

yeah like that anymore.

I don't want my and I think shine pen appreciated you like that like while somebody has the balls, it's not even a little chaos. It's like somebody has the balls took like call me on my shit like not everybody y's afraid .

to me oh right yeah, he's probably used to people cost me yeah oh.

I can fuck with him right?

But he does wide shit like when he went down to fuck in mexico and met without chopper like cheese .

is Christ do IT that that that that's organic. But I think that that's also you just have that thing where you just go, know what? She's getting boring, right? The weather just too fucked and nice here.

Where is too nice and too famous? Let's go me the matter. Yes.

let's go fox and set up, let's do, was really resent for at least a year yeah.

that chapel thing was so crazy because that kind of is one of the things .

that got him caught IT.

Yeah yeah, because they track yo cell phone on data. Yeah, they know where you go. And if you're bringing your fuck and cell phone on, you're basically bringing a tracking device to to go fine. When the most notorious gangsters alive today.

the most I mean, who who is the guy with the football team back in the day? I think about IT. It's our days, this times public. Ecb, AR, yeah. And Shawn pen.

golden.

and so this because you, hey, who wants to come with me and find this mother fucking did you go? So I I want solo.

What he knew, that lady who was like a report know there was like this.

really? Yes, porters can. Yeah.

yeah. He knew her.

He dating her.

I don't know. But I think he had a thing with all chapo after that. No.

like to join to reduce them properly.

I don't know. I think he knew her and he knew him. He knew .

l triple .

that I was got, like, love you. I really enjoy you in colors. And then see.

you know, what's the most dangerous thing that you do? now? What do you think? What dangerous? Yeah, like we're talking about shaan going out on a limb.

Do you find IT necessary to go out and do things that like, chAllenge you in a way? yes. ChAllenge your psych. yes.

In what way? L contains probably the most exciting.

What is l why?

Because I put you in danger. Well, no, IT is really difficult. You, you're both hunting in the mountains. You to see you in the mountains .

and just fucked and stay up there for days and days and days.

And do you quarter kill?

That's a different thing, know. So I I don't like personally, I like I grew up in a very red part of california. Everybody hunts that I grew up with, and I would shoot, and I would with my dad, and I would like fucking and think about IT and dream .

about IT for three weeks. Oh yeah.

I love you. I love, I love eating.

No, i'm saying that I would like you. Oh.

you get negative with not even IT was no yeah I guess would but IT would like made me think of like the kids that we're going like, mom, mom, are you there and I just killed the mother is like the ban be kind of but I eat meat so that hypocritical thing, like I don't want to kill anything, but I want you to kill IT for me so I can eat IT because I really like .

the way I taste. Well, that's the anthropogenic zone of that. Disney has kind of done a number on people with in like bambi and yogi bear and all that kind of shit cartoons and teddy bears.

And we have a very, you know, living in when you live in urban areas and cities and people, you know, streets and concrete and people just get a very distorted idea of nature and our relationship and nature. And when your kid and you're just these are sweet, cute things and then all sudden you specifically murder one, like it's all fucked up, but it's what fucked up is the cartoons. I mean, they're cute and everything because .

they to pick IT in a way, but just .

completely distorted. You of these animals are talking to each other, and the hunters are always ashes. And because most of our hunters, there would be no humans. We'd have never made IT this far if we were all just eat and and fuck and tubes and grapes and shit, we would never made IT.

Do you like .

our bonds of beans?

They are not bad everywhere. Haunted one, no. fuck. And why?

How do do that?

You can take a bunch of acid. You take a bunch of a acid. It's possible. yeah.

What about the sexual connotations of disney? Like did you ever hear that thing, that disney, what disney had like the biggest porn collection of all time? Really, that's what I heard. I don't .

know how .

much of IT is true and how there's like the rodd toward thing and .

the I won't be surprised a lot of people that are like really into kids stuff and like sweet wholesome stuff.

they did they that other or eventually maybe maybe it's a cover .

or maybe it's like they're so Q C with the fuck and completely hold some stuff that they have to baLance IT out with some bonded ship guys getting kicked in the nuts and body.

Why is that? The people feel that people in hollywood and texas are like, like, I know people that have moved to texas and they've called me. There was one guy that I used to work out with Venus, and he start, he moved here, and he called me, be like a man. You know, the list is coming out and I go, what less? You know, the list.

the list.

And I go in my own list and he goes, no, you're clean, you're good. But I know, you know who's on the link. You i'm glad I know I didn't do anything wrong either. I didn't do anything wrong and I said, but why are you like a too full thing? Why are you under the impression that everybody in hollywood lives under the same roof, like we all live in the same apartment complex?

It's day, it's day. yeah. They day, day out there.

day out there, are doing that thing. yeah. And then what would how could you possibly think that that a guy who's a trainer at gold and venice would have the list? Why was .

he chose? Well, he goes on red IT.

You say you want, yeah, but i'm going to see him. I'm here. We started communicating again.

When you have things like the F, T, N. Client list that doesn't get released, then IT fuels these kind of conspiracy theories about there being a list.

So why is that? Listen.

not released as a very good question.

Who is that list?

Well, for sure, someone has the list. Glam max walls in jail, right? So SHE must have talked like there must have been conversations, and there must be a bunch of very powerful people that are on that list. And.

you know, are all the powerful people in kahua was something that I learned like when I played, when I played W, I played a senator. I W did what .

is like playing a guy still alive. Did you meet with .

him here? Did you ever meet .

no guys .

where I had .

the opportunity .

to meet him afterwards? And and there was something about him that was more, remember when he was like giving Candy to Michelle obama or that, yeah, he was like, a really friendly kind of a mystery thing. And I was like, I would like to meet him.

And then I saw paintings of his dog. So I said, I don't want a medium. I just don't like he was something attractive .

for a moment. I was.

I don't know, and I love paintings. I don't know what I was, but I didn't like the painting. I it's not that I didn't is .

something in the painting.

I don't know what .

I know something in the paintings is I killed a million people with fake weapons of mass destruction. We had a fake story, and I used that, started justified invasion of a country, and now a million people are dead. So that's the question. I am haunted every night. Paint dogs.

they are staring like that. Like your face right now is exactly how every eye is in his dog paintings.

It's so finny I must be medicated. They must put him on something so he can sleep.

Is that that look, I think, did he put into his dog's eyes the look that he has always, at least .

that he feels aunted his, yes.

yeah. How he sees the world.

how experience like running around knowing that you did that, not just that you did that, but that there's no capability like no one went to jail for that. No one even got brought up on charges that when .

I was spring in up because when I would meet these people, I went, I went to the senate floor, and I met a of these people, and that met a lot of rich people, which is when I met track, actually twenty one club. Back when I knew a lot about him, I was fascinated .

by the club.

Club is a place that he used to go a lot. And I was like, no, yeah, you have a chance at this billions, air this bills and .

the targets yeah.

So he, what was I going to say is he, oh, meeting these people, especially getting them drunk, you know, where people's get super honest. You know where they go? You you know, I am, I trust you, I trust you.

And you're like, air. Here comes where's before that? They were like, you know, not sure. And I just what I think is and then they finally, I just a doctor I you know I like oh, or they tell you what's going on but the thing that I learned, and i'm really curious about like what we were talking about hollywood, the perception of them all being in IT together, is don't you think the the rival reason, all that entirely, but that all politicians are basically under the same roof. They all know what each other other's doing and that there's more of an agenda of power to keep the public. Thinking a certain way.

Well.

this is certainly a .

benefit to that course. Yeah, there's a benefit to that. And then there's also the underlying factor is money. Of course, there's so much money and influence, there's so many special interest groups, there's so many lobbies.

there's so many massive .

corporations are donating to campaigns. Yeah so is there's always going to be this desire to sort of color a certain life yeah yeah for sure. And then treat you like your babies. Continue making insane amount money.

I give you someone like Nancy policy and you worth hundreds of millions of dollars and you make one hundred thirty thousand dollars a year and there's no fuck and explanation like just that alone like you have to kind of keep people in the dark. You have to kind of like keep dancing. And so you're going to jail. Someone is to start investigating, and they are going to go. What you did is not legal and you going to be in real trouble IT.

What's your relationship like with money?

What way just didn't what you .

people made a certain amount of money for a long time? I don't .

think about IT. You don't think about IT. What I like about money .

is to not .

think about IT. That's what I like. Do you like spending IT? I like buying stuff.

Me too. I dreve here during six. But funds, for the most part, i'm not interested in IT like as a goal.

You know I just I what I like about money is not having to think about IT. My friend brian count said this to me once. He said he goes, real freedom is when you go to restaurant and not worry about anything costs. He said, like everything else is, bulshed is, and IT really is, everything else is bullshit. When you just go to a restaurant, get a nice stake, you know, water, bottle wine, have a good time and not think about the bill.

but I think happens is is and be grateful for IT mean to remind yourself to be that that exist to be grateful for yeah and not be taking advantage of. And I think that's one of the hardest things about money slashed power as you start treating things as if they're underneath you you know yeah, where you go. Got him.

So glad I can go anywhere in the world right now and get a meal. And I don't have to think about, how am gonna pay for that? Yeah, am I gonna a dead of my credit card? But when you start saying, excuse me, I said, I said two hundred and four degrees, not one ninety. Read my let know. Yes.

that's gross. That is gross. But IT happens taking that just taking vantage of this relationship that everyone knows where service people have to be nicer than they really would be Normally like a regular person. So people .

can up for one of your many hundreds are thousands or hundreds of millions .

of dollars. disgusting. It's a growth way to tree people. But some people want to get rich so that they could do that to people. Maybe someone did IT to them when they were Younger and they.

I can't want to do this other people, I mean, when you said a nice car and you, like, I thought you were gonna.

I was like, all please, like lambda ia. Now I like muscle cars. I like old muscle cars.

That's my family. That's like me, thirty seven lucky head. And people had an affectation. I know your friends with memorable ever. I got no time, have been riding motorcycles since I was three .

and half years old.

fun. They're not only fun. There's something honest, if you read then, in the art of motorcycle, which which is the only book that's ever been written that kind of gets close to the country spiritual place if you're on a true motorcyclist, whether you writing with your son or whether you're writing with the grit of guys or whatever that beautiful thundrous harm when you're in a when you're in a group of guys who really know what they're doing and you're an absolute fucking and sink. Yes, your arms are up here and your arms are pretty now at that point, but you're fucked in soaring. You're an eagle on a fucking and jet stream.

You heard a honest Thompson know that document. They did gonzo like that that in the documentary, the very beginning, he talks about riding a moor cycle. I remember those highway.

I remember ah it's what can great. So we could find that he he talks about riding a motor ycl. How about like that? The the lines begin, the blur, you you just on the edge and how alive you are is a fuck.

We don't have to get into this book right away. But there was, I wrote, they came to me. It's the only story that I wrote that somebody asked me to right for the book and they were like, you really in the motorcycles want to write a story about motorcycles and I tried and I was just bad and bad and everything I wrote was like, so forest and bullshit and finally, I said, I can't do IT. I'm not going to write in the minute I said i'm not going to do this. I started writing, which is kind of started to come out and it's good.

do you right by hand?

I do.

Yeah most do you feel more of a connection?

No right to any which way, whether it's on the phone, whether you know, I remember people say, and like I right, know my hand, I hand right because it's it's the way used to be I was I also used to be under candlelight, which .

fucked your eyes up .

to be .

used to .

be people in.

Try to get to publish. Yeah, get which doctor?

I know leg, how IT comes out. I think real writing is anywhere, anytime. However, you can get IT out. I know treaters and use that needed. I think it's .

workman IT is work. I think the use is like it's it's a concept, right? If you ever read press fields, the war of our course, great work, great. I think he's right though when he says you sum in the muse when you sit down to work.

But that's also just like an intention thing, like you have so much time and effort put on a thing and when you do that, your mind gets more and sink with creativity. But if you treat me like it's some use, IT actually does work like you show up every day and like say click that and pay respect to the news. I'm sitting here and i'm ready to write and i'm a professional and i'm ready to go and treat you like you're summer the the muse IT actually works IT there actually is an effect that happens. I don't know there's an actual amuse, but you can understand why someone would think the muse because .

you why do people change? Why do people meditate? Why that that's the whatever the is like talking about got what's god? You know that depends on who you're talking to. Yeah, god is a feeling. Yeah, is something that that fuck and thing that keeps you inspired, that keeps the gasoline at a high oc.

Well, something is something that gets you away from your ego, like with writing something that gets you away from your ego and into your mind, into your conscious ness, into like your your perceptions of things, your ability to express IT. And it's just a it's a focus thing. And the more you focus on IT, the more that muscle growth.

the more you get adapted to worried about how people are going to perceive you.

And that's not right writing for somebody .

you want to look cool, people like that. Ah I read a book that you roman holly shit, I know I did. You're .

amazing. The same crime me while that guys trying to sell you on a multi level marketing scheme or something, there's something is going to happen to .

do with I want to buy that book. I want to option your book and you're turning into a fuck .

I describe i'd love you to say, yeah.

what's to know is that a disney is IT about that, about animals talking.

I really love about living in texas is there is no hollywood. There's no show business. I have to deal with any of these people with like alternative agendas.

We just moved to say just I want to go back to that, but we just moved to send a barba. awesome. funny. Why is everybody can that? I love .

IT out there. So you.

because it's beautiful. Til.

what about the people? Not the latest.

There's a lot of the latest, a perfect place for me. So I grew up in sand barber. I was in passing robles, which is ranch country, about two hours above sAnitarium.

And then we moved to sanaa arra when I was eleven. And IT was monotone, but I was a very different monocle. Like, yes, there were couple of rich people.

Yes, my dad was doing OK by done mark as well. We had did at that time. We did amy vil horr.

So he had a little bit of money, but we bought, you know, what would now be a thirty five million dollar home in moneta, right? He bought for six hundred thousand dollars. Same fuck and house, do you know?

I mean, so was a different moneta. And then whatever grew up, I grew up with, but I went to the point is, I went to jail there a lot. I just did.

I just like IT instead of the museum, I went to jail was like, no, mom, i'm going to go to jail today. And then so in L. A Venus speech, I love Venus speech.

But Venus speeches even changed, you know, used to know everybody and everybody kind of coexisted beautifully. And and then then a speech changes. They got totally randomly violent being little kids, very dangerous little kids.

Okay, so we moved demo. We're close to laid. I know layd and gabby and all that think, but IT never landed. So we were always talking about moving even though we're kind of building the house and we're finalizing everything we're always talking about.

When we talking about texas, my mom from texas, we were talking about east coast, we were talking about europe, all these places. But never sana bara, I would never move back to san barba, could die the way, honey, if we moved to san barba, which you love so much and you think is so beautiful, our little girls will eventually, for sure, go to prison. That was in my mind.

why? Because in my mind, I D totally her most of my friends, that group in monitor dead thirty six out of fifty, really yeah, the marwan epidemic, punk rock, oh god, driving accidents started six out of fifty out of fifty. wow. Best friend Jason series, who was the lead singer of rich kids on L D R K L, which was a big punk band that influenced the bunch of people in the vana pro jam. All these people.

rich kids on else is a great name for look IT up.

Can you look IT out, Jason? And serious rich kids on elyssa. We've got a tattoo at the same time.

I got a tattoo from free negri that's gone now because I have removed IT. But IT was a big jesus with blood coming out of the hands. And Jason, that same night, got the same night, got each shit on his.

See if you can find Jason's asked that, says, each shed on IT you going to put that in? Jason sears, each shit. Now where's IT? Ah, you ve got to just keep looking.

Yeah, I don't be there. So why was that? Oh, so eventually, when we finally said luck, we're not moving.

We should be grateful. We're not grateful enough. That's the problem.

We're not grateful enough. But malaya just didn't kind of said. And then one day .

I love malabo is just remote.

We already are remote in pass rebels. We have a place in pass rebels, a place where I grew up, not the ranch I grew up, is about three miles down the road. But that's remote and a remote that I love.

I love remote, but I love extremes. I don't want to be sort of next to sana, Monica, and it's twenty miles away. And IT takes two and a half hours to get there, right? You and I were talking about that.

I don't want to sit in traffic for half my life. I just don't want to yeah want to be somewhere. I want to be somewhere to send a barba represented a place where you kind of had your own piece of property, but everything was ten minutes away.

You ve got dance class for the girls. You've got soccer. You've got this right.

know? You know me. Yeah, yeah. So that was the thing. But but never, I would never was, was I going to go back to sana barber. I finally put on sale sana barber. One house came up, and that's the house that we bought. And IT was, joe watches old house .

of amazing redial real.

which I was still. And I asked him, anyway, I have to finish the story that I was so freak out about moving up to san abara. I still hadn't made the kind of transition that I contracted a mild case of a bells policy really yeah like literally we're stressing out.

My wife was like you and i'm not a stress guy and SHE was like, you had melt the fucker and my, you don't know it's going to happen. What may I move up here? It's like it's going to so literally, i'm washing my face doing this. And the'd just started go on. Bw.

when was this four .

months ago?

Okay, that's a side effect of the vaccine to it's one. The side effects of the nineteen vaccines .

have also heard the speech in pediments of house. I've heard a lot of things, kids taking vaccine and things happen yeah yeah that .

vaccine in particular, that the mra one yeah, yes, yeah. I know quite .

a few people .

that develop bells, poses from them. Well, whatever you want to use, facial pro sis, I know two people specifically, wonderful facial.

like grumpy face. Because when my older kids want away, when my older kids were Young, there were, what, seventeen vaccinations. And now that my Younger kids are Young.

there's fifty.

seventy two.

yeah yeah, a series of them, but it's ultimately seventy two shots and .

scary prospect, man. Well.

the fucked up thing is if you talk about IT, you're an anti vector and .

you are not about any.

but that's a big one because they've done a really good job of demonizing anyone who questions a medicine that might be correlated with a bunch of a in serious diseases. And for whatever reason, they just a great job of gasoline ini people and scaring the shut out of people by labelling anybody who like what they did a geneva carthy. Do remember when jenee a carthy had a good in their kid at autism, and he thought that autism had possibly come from vaccines, and they basically .

ran around a hollywood.

But why would they? Enfin, during the, today， they uh, the vaccine companies, pharma could draw companies that are making vaccines. They said, said we are unable to make these vaccines of reliable because of reliable.

There's too many lawsuits are going to come our way because vaccines cannot be completely safe and effective just by virtue of the mechanism in which they work. You know, you have an irritant, you have this a this virus is dead virus. Your body sees the aluminum or whatever IT is IT reacts that a negative way, and IT finds the dead vires.

IT develops antibody is just by the way, they work. When you vacant ate a enormous amount, people, you can have a certain amount, people that have a negative action. If we have lawsuits for every person has a negative reaction, we're going about a business.

So they made them mune. They made them mune. And you know what happened immediately, they are like what you need a vaccine for, this need to go back .

in and known that .

there no petites b vaccines.

Babies born orn know there's also doctors .

that say IT doesn't even really work for babies. But what you're doing is your conditioning the parents to accept the fact that your child is going to get regularly vaccinated. My doctor, fortunately, my arpi atri an wanted to put the kids on A A, A different schedule, a slower schedule. And he do. One of them have any vaccines until there were .

two your doctor in california.

yes, and but he was sound like a crack. He was like, I think the way to do IT, meaning there's a schedule of vaccines your kids have to get unless you have religious exemption.

But let's not assault your children with a potential poison, because everybody is different. If I take a bong hit, I might end up under the table. If you take a bong hit, you actually may feel smarter and clear.

I remember deem potter who was a climate, and he was like a stop smoking power for four months. But when I started smoking part, I could feel the hold at two thousand feet, oh, sheer Cliff, nothing underneath, no ropes. But I felt more confident for me. I go, if I took a bone head on out there, I could be four feed up and be freaking out.

right? It's different. everybody.

Everybody has different brains. It's like psychophysical euros. Let's just give them all lithium or let's give them all that you have to experiment. The idea of experiment with that, that is super scary.

IT is IT is super scary. And it's also super scary when you're not liable for any other repercussions and you're just pushing IT on people because you're corporation. And corporation is just want to make money. The thing is just, just unlimited growth. They just have they have an obligation, their shareholders every quarter, they want to make more money and they just keep rapid IT up.

And remember talking about that, like I remember back in the seventies and comedy, you know, Green rooms and all that, we'd all be fucking with each other. And I had never had anything to do with money because nobody was really making money like money, money like tons of money. IT was just about what that are.

You're gonna do what you trying out. Are you onna fail or they're gonna fail, you know? But I was this community again, and I think that things have grown into not that I wanted to talk about this or theyve been thought about IT before, but the money thing is a very interesting thing to me, know. And if you want to take you back to the book.

which we can talk about later.

is the anti celebrity. It's like, how do you stay grounded? How do you stay accountable and why would you stay accountable? Because I actually give a fuck about people instead of just being in IT for myself yeah and I think that's a difference.

Well, I think one of things that happens to people with money is you didn't have money when you're Young. Now also, you have money, and you get really scared about using that money. Yeah, you get scared.

It's gonna away. Because now you realize, oh my god, is so much Better and not have to worry about your bills, and so much Better to have some money to buy things. And then you start thinking only about money and start making decisions only for money.

And then you go down the weird road and IT, you know, really distorts artists IT IT IT focus. A lot of people up now, you see IT in a lot of bands. They start making like poppy songs.

When they used to be like wrong, greedy. When they're a Younger, they should be used to be like authentic. And then also, they are making one theme songs for films that it's like weird fuck and romance songs for.

Smith went through unch to me as an area. Smith, you know, lover is a kid to see them. You go from like dream on till like the shit they were.

And I wondered what like drug addiction and all that. I wonder if that, like if the parallel is I went back to her and at that point, because I just couldn't fuck in deal.

do you know me? I think it's when they get pair, when they started .

wants to make money.

I need to make some money I spent on my fuck and money.

But look at, I wonder if there is any connection, like with member phillip sy, more often like one of the greatest and ever lived. And i've known his mother since I was doing theater and rock. Western new york is like a twenty year old, twenty one years old.

And he would come up to me, he says, thank you, a fine actor, and thank you very much because, you know, my son just moved in new york because he wants to be an actor. And and what's his name? Fill fills and on to feel good luck, good luck to fail in that.

You know, this is like every anybody wants to be an actor. Just that s that happening is just not gonna happen. And then phil became this guy twenty two years of surprise, who had an incline in the beginning instead.

You know what, I don't want this to control like my thing. So i'm not going to do IT. I'm going to give everything I am to acting and i'm going to try to make the best career, hear career, movie career, whatever.

And then, you know, again, I have IT in the book where I see him on the street, and i'm crazy. And i've gotten into a fight with my wife and I walking down columbia avenue. And I have cords on, I have no shoes, I have no shirt on.

My woman add of my fuck in head, and I looked to my left, and I seen nicknack at a cafe, and we lock eyes. And i've never met nickell. I've never seen him.

And IT will happen that I actually will have a relationship with him later on. But at we lock eyes in the moment is he's saying in me what he used to be or saying in me what i'm to become. I'm saying that what i'm to become later, right? right? Then I see phillip sy more often.

Who's standing their target? I go. Hey, phil, it's josh.

What up? You do not so well, man, for good for you too. No sure. No shoes. And he's standing there with one foot pointed toward me and another foot pointed in the direction that he wants to go. You know how people .

could you see you? Man, yeah.

good.

good. Oh, no.

Now how is that? The guy that died of a heroin overdose?

Did he get .

injured? No, no.

He just got back on IT. Because sometimes .

what happens is people, I and they surgery know a lot of people that that's kind of been .

the project. No.

to me there's another parallel. The parallel is I just want to make money. Finally, i'm sick doing independence and sick doing this, not making any money. And then you start doing, you know, whatever he was.

hunger games or and then you feel hello and then you want to fill talking, right? You wanted nub yourself up because you feel like .

hall you feel like a horr yeah like there's one thing about like actually finding solace and saying hi and i'm older i'm gonna this movie I get that I would like, you know, I got college coming up for my kids and you justify IT in a way that's okay. And then there's one thing about you've identified yourself so much as an artist that to release yourself from that identity and other people's minds again, going back to the ego, that you just just fucked you up, right?

And then you want to escape from your reality yeah, you wanna yourself yeah well, that is a real fucked and thing, man. And if you've ever done a project where it's like, really all I did, really bad set commons s, and I remember you acted IT, oh, was terrible. And I remember what was doing IT.

I was just imagining, like, what if this is my life? What if this stupid piece of shit, shit com goes for like, ten years, years and have to? Because there's sitcoms that explicitly are very successful or war than unities ah and very successful .

and they were well.

people want to be needing this want to slack jaws, sit from the computer or whatever the TV and eats pagets OS just fucking dumb themselves to some monday pulses. And if you're doing that kind of a thing, you live in hell. And a lot of those people that do those things, they wind up doing drugs because they just feel .

very long that you're you live in hell. Yeah, you live in hell. It's crazy. Two person .

listening. You make IT fifty thousand hours a week. How you living you're living in hell like what you're talking .

about now most of you would be like.

that's great. That would be amazing. But if you want to do a thing if like you want to be a great comic or you want to be a great actor.

and you're do have to have incentives.

right? You have to have, you have to want to create something really good. And when you can't create something really good, you're just doing here for money, you feel trapped and you feel like shit, and then you have to reward yourself for the stupid fucking and thing you do.

yeah. So what you do, you go on by a nice precede, you get a fluctuation of melo. And I have a large monthly, not that you have to cover, but when you take people over your house, like, look, like, look at this ocean view.

how much of this house? Two years, nothing.

almost nothing we say to my friends, my Young comic friends, that are coming up your house is just your house. I I remember when I first got a nice apart when I removed the north hollywood in one hundred and ninety four, I got a off department and a pool table in IT in a nice stereo, and is like, this is incredible. I have a nice apartment.

This is amazing. And then after a while, IT just became my house. He comes where I live and I realized at that moment like, oh, this is it's all the same feeling like you need in the houses is to be comfortable yeah, you need a TV in .

a kitchen and supposed it's the place that you sleep. It's a place where you live the entirety of your life.

You can relax almost anywhere that's comfortable and safe. That's all you need. And then everything else is kind of bullshit.

Yeah, it's kind of the things that you get for your money. So there's a lot of things that people spend a lot of money on and they're not really worth IT. You don't really get anything out of IT.

That's why I was interesting walking in here. And, you know, man cave, I hate that fucking turn. Man cave, man cave, you so gay cave.

well, it's monkey because no woman would ever let me decorate place this way.

But it's not that no woman wouldn't like IT.

I think there there's, my wife likes that when he comes here. You didn't want to live in IT win. No, I wanted to live here. But I, if I was like a single guy, I might decorate my house like this.

But it's things the point is that there's things. When I walked in here, I made me small because I started seeing things that inspire and you like to surround yourself, like if somebody comes in and does an interior design of your office.

yeah.

and they go, we brought in this amazing fabric from paris, and you go. But I don't like IT. And I remember when we were doing our house, we were like, I said, look, man, you can get things from target.

I don't want to feel that people have to take. I don't want anybody to feel that that they have to take their shoes off. That's what I do.

I want him to feel that they can scuff up the floor because that's the mark that they made when they walked in my house. And maybe I don't even like the scuffle, don't like that they walk so heavy yeah but it's their mark. We are leaving or mark, right?

So think about this table. Those tables always stains on IT.

Seriously, it's good. IT has character. It's a lot. And that's the thing is like when we built our are the ranch, I said there were shelves. I said I want linoleum.

Or was that for america, linoleum on the shelves and we have hundred and fifty year old barn with, but along with linoleum, because linoleum reminds me like trailer parks and just makes me fuck and smile. So I saw this thing when I walked in, because I have one. And that is rough statement sprint.

That, okay, it's another story. So rough statement.

John y debt gave me rough stedman's number because he was close with hunter, and my son was graduating my sons in artist and he was obsessed with statement, right? And I called graph and is hello and I said, hi I said, listen, you don't know me and my friend john is and I said, you know, my son's is graduating and like the greatest gift I could ever get him. And this is not just to throw statement under the boss because IT comes full circle.

But he says, I see my son's graduating. Can you do like a little thing I pay you for IT? Can you do just draw a little thing for him for his graduation? There was a long, long power.

And is what the fuck would I do that? And so that conversation went nowhere. Then twenty years went past in my book is designed by one of his protogenes. Oh wow.

And then so joy felman, he called me one day and he said, he said, rough wants to send you a print and I said, no way does he know are that we have like a history and he said, no, I don't think so. So I sent him a voice memo of the history and I said, I never held that against. I totally understand that special someone. So I sent me one for my son and one for me, and I hang them up my house.

That's cool.

I love having that.

He is an interesting artist.

He is very interesting art.

yeah, I should say. But I mean, the stuff that he did not like that's also in that guns of documentary where he talks about how hunter gave master and mushrooms and you just started fuck and writing, yeah, drawing a really crazy shit yeah and like the thing for, remember, the thing you did for the kentucky darby is there.

And I was like the first thing to get find .

that the conduct derby is decade and deprived a really .

good article, actually. Well.

that was fast stude. Yes.

but look at that that articles fucking AAA. It's amazing article.

And I don't think .

that they spend a lot of time together. But I think in him, no, I don't.

There's a lot of IT in the documentary where they are hanging out together really picked them up at the airport as vw bug.

No, I know IT exists, but I don't think that they spent the amount of time that you would think given that they collaborated so much. I think rob was back in britain and honor was. I know.

So that's a kind of shit. Do you miss that? Like this is part of driving your car and all that.

That's the thing from put you have office.

Take the thing out for an honest run down the coast. I would start in golden get park. Think you only to run a few long curves .

to clear my head.

Not so good. Waiver in alcoholic off the wag. But in a matter of minutes i'd be out of the beach with the sound of the engine in my years serve booming up on the sea wall and a fine, empty roads stretching all the way down to sana crudes. There was no helmet on those nights, no speed them and no cooling IT down around the curse. I love seeing the sand in the road.

then into .

second gear for getting the cars and letting the beast wind out thirty five, forty five. Then in the third, not worried about Green or red signals, only some other. Where will flowing sound? Expect the wind. The need, the leans down on one hundred wind burned, evs strained to sea down the center line, no room at all from mistakes. That's when the strange music starts.

The edge, there is no honest way to explain IT, because the only people who really know where IT is are the ones have gone over the others, the living are those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could handle IT and then pulled back or slow down. But the edge is still .

out there. That guy was fucking amazing. great.

Great is fucked and amazing. What do you love about his writing and what types like fear and losing?

Well, I was just reading hell Angels recently.

Actually, I go back. yes.

Well, that's really him. When he was starting right, that was the beginning of the sort of gonzo journalism stuff, because he was kind of mixing in fiction with reality. And that's one of things that pissed off the house Angels that he took a lot of liberties with the truth to try to, like paint a picture.

right? Which was his deal, which was his style later on, this like exaggerating and kind of romance his own life.

He was out of his fucked in mind.

out of his mind. But he was also one of the most brilliant technical writers that ever was. And that's what that's was forgotten like even people talk about carrot and t care. Wak was like, you know, he wrote on the road and he was on the road and he was hundred times and type of thing and you're like, you know, he edited on the road for seven years oh wow then .

nobody those .

that because carrera kind of like we put forth the staying of like first thought, best thought don't add IT IT was again like it's total horsham wow. That's why I say that goes back to writers. It's a labor. Yeah you sit down and you write all the fuck in time.

My friend ori, on his laptop, he's got a little piece of paper above the keyboard that says the first draft of everything is shit.

Yeah, you know, his first book, coming with his first book, was lost by his wife. Yeah SHE lost yeah SHE SHE agra bed IT forum and was on a train. And then he went to the bathroom and actually left the saturn on the seat. When he came out of the bathroom, I was gone. Oh my god.

never to be found again. Oh my god, can you? Oh my god, I age. Work out.

Purpose that much yeah I love writing. I love .

when someone's a really good writer because you just get these like moments where you like, yes, oh yeah, all that's IT yeah this moment and hunter had a lot of those moments we like, god dammit, that's good.

You have so many people who were great Young and I know that there's a danger in a chaos within, like, the vertex within which they lived. But IT couldn't survive, do you know? I mean, when honor got, he was just too fuck in alcohol yeah and Dylan Thomas became too fuck in alcohol and and it's one of those things that you go you are literally writing things that aren't possible.

You are putting together like word smith, things that are that magic, magic yeah. How he was describing is that thing. Whatever IT is you're doing, how do you get to that place which most people can't touch?

Well, you can't neglect your physical health. That's the problem. Is that in this chase for the muse, in this dance, you do with the drugs and the alcohol and the wild writing. And i'm sure you've seen a hunters Thompson.

There is a thing that a reporter, he hung out with hondas Thompson and detailed what what a day in the life of honor as tomson is a there's a band called beauty man, and beauty man took me and great fit Simons reading off hondas thsang s routine, his daily routine before he writes and made a song out of, it's fucking incredible. See, you can find that because the the routine was so insane, and this was really, really what he would do. You would wake up like a disable the afternoon.

No, no. K here.

yes.

Beauty man.

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five. Six song grass take the edge of the day.

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ready to ride.

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sometimes super funding when you do that.

I was a long time ago.

many years ago. Did you ever lived like that?

No, no. I've ve never even done coke. Wow, yeah.

Never a fucked coke. I like ciadea X, I like weed. I like a little alcohol every now then. But I don't fuck around to anything that's going to kill me. Not interested yeah. And i'm not interested in anything that helps my ego that boost IT up makes me feel i'm not even than anything. I like things that make me scared, things that make me nervous.

like about vulnerable, like to feel vulnerable.

I like IT you .

like to chAllenge yourself.

yeah.

I think the perception and how you perceive certain things.

I think I like voluntary adversity, a physical voluntary diversity. But also, I think, mental voluntary diversity and I think that's what I like about like psychodeviant S I think there is like you have to go on like a journey and you can't control IT IT takes you somewhere.

And then when you're back, you realize like you and shit just to get all that ego stuff at your system, relax and just be appreciative and enjoy life and try to spread as much positivity as you can. That's what you here for. Do your best in everything you do. That's a cheerful .

and how do you find yourself doing that once you're not on IT corporation of IT into your life?

Remember you know I just so there's profound moments where I think you will change you forever and those if you can hold on to them, some people don't hold on them, but it's a matter of intention, right? It's a matter of like what are you trying to do? You're trying to be Better at life. Well, if you're trying to be Better at life, you can hold to IT if you're not if you're just trying to like be the man or you get all the act or you know win a fuck and gram or whatever you need to do, like if that's your real goal, like you're gonna get loss because it's a shady goal.

How a whole listened to the first third. There was thirteen.

wow. So that's what to do early. I won't recommend.

I wouldn't recommend IT either. But IT IT changed my life. And I had, by the way, so good, twice in a twenty four hour period.

So I took that thirteen, had the greatest trip ever, like, still affected by IT. wow. And then I took IT again that night and .

went to hell.

oh no, I don't know. yeah. I no, no psychedelic down. And I just what I did.

and I did.

And I truly believe that psychiatric, I don't do psychiatric anymore, but I think I did. But I do breath work I do should like that. You go, can you get there? And I go, yeah, had some of the most amazing hlubis ation i've ever had, most profound nations i've ever had.

Hole tropic, breathing, breath, work with layer going off. And if you do IT long enough, you just reach a placer. If you're in a sona two hundred and forty degrees for an hour doing breath work, oh ah you're going to go .

place yeah no doubt. Sensory deprivation tank, you don't need anything and trip. They could give you in a pale form. What the experiences you get from a, from a sensory deprivation tank would be a very popular drug yeah and it's completely safe .

and a productive drug.

yes, very productive.

So there's sensory you say the sensory deprivation type, but I just saw you can see IT online or whatever. We're people literally put a thing that go into a room. They're silence.

It's not like, you know what they don't talk community retreat, whatever, but they literally go into a room by themselves. They don't see anybody else. They put a thick mask on and there in for four days, five days to be seen that the .

people don't stuff like that. Yeah.

what about that? I think being .

alone with your thoughts is uncomfortable for people. And I think a lot of people avoid a ID really thinking. And you're forced to really think, you know, when you're in those sort of situations, yes, you you're forced to be along with your thoughts, you know.

scary.

But we're always distracted. We're .

especially .

in devices and input. And news and social media is like constantly stuff coming in. And sometimes you don't like, how do I feel about everything? Like what do I even know? Do have I ever really considered things like you need time alone, you need time to think, you know, that's what I really like about, but it's why I work out by myself.

That's why I like you work up by yourself, just like in a trainer.

I mean, i've had a lot of trainers. I appreciate them for tactical advice and stuff. I but this is a meditation aspect of working out by myself that I think is very important. It's also discipline like I know it's easy to go somewhere and a guy tells you OK ten reps, but I write my own workout out .

and based on that day.

yeah I know what I want to do you pretty good at.

It's it's money. I haven't heard many people say that, but I feel and it's not just some bullshit like affectation, rebellion thing. When i'm with the and I appreciate trainers student, i've had a workers from great trainers, but they make me want to do less. You know, they go due ten, and I .

go pai s.

so, but I will actually push myself. You would say twelve, just for a range, a random number. Twelve is my limit. I'm good at pushing myself to fifteen or jeff cavalry in who that is.

athlete. Ex.

I super smart guy, yeah.

And we would go back and forth and i'd be like, look, if i'm in, if you, if I met my last three reps, why do we have to rest for two minutes? Like, who said that? Who made that up? Is IT really a recovery thing two minutes before you can go back in to twelve more reps? What if we just rest thirty seconds and then you're right back into that thing almost immediately? Abit, and those are the things that are tearing the tissues and growing the muscle and all I kind of stuff.

So just experimenting with IT all again this August back down to what we watched of like what are we doing to just live a little more vividly how we pushing ourselves, how we changing our perception? How are we pushing our perception? Well.

that depends on what you're trying to do if you're just trying like conditioned yeah they give yourself the minimal amount of rest and do IT for as long as possible and then take time off after wards three body at to heal and as a back after IT just Better. But IT depends on what you're trying to do. If you trying to get strong, I always recommend taking out like long, long periods of time in between sets. I take like five minutes, maybe even more in between.

set to come back in at your strongest. Tell your body workouts, my workouts .

like two hours, sometimes two and half hours, because I have these long breaks in between. But because that you know, people to solinus, he's one of the godfathers of kettle. Lls is one of the first people that introduced bells to amErica from russia.

And their their philosophy is a strong first philosophy is that strength is a skill, and you don't work on the skill when you're tired. So it's all about how many repetitions you do, and that's a build strength. So IT doesn't mean you have to do ten and a row.

Like, say, if ten is your max, say, if you pick up a weight and you can do ten cleans, impresses. And on the tent one, his philosophy, due five, do five, wait a long time, do another five. So you've got the ten and but you've got the ten and with perfect form and then you're still getting the same amount repetitions. But you're not breaking yourself down to the point where you might get hurt or where you're doing getting correctly perform.

So that's hard. I talked I talked to me too. I talked to my wife a lot about that, my wife would say, because I got all about form, because everything .

you get hurt and I rarely hurt from lifting her, oh yeah.

yeah, surgeries and the bulging .

disks and torn this and torn that. Yeah, you have to.

It's possible .

trying to kill you out. Sure, he try to get really make curing people with your body. So I have.

people are doing that to you. I had ciotach a for a year and a half. Bad, chaotic, a nine millimetre slip between S T no l five and us.

One d of IT. And they wanted to do surgery. And I had had surgery when I was really Young, because I had to slip this between c five and c six.

And they took out part of my hip, and they went in through my neck. They moved everything over. They replaced my my disk with part of my hip back.

When they used to do that is to play, replace your disk with party your hip.

Yeah, they would chase allowed a party your head on.

Yes, and that's what your discuss. Now, a piece of both that doesn't makes sense. Your cause .

will be spongy a .

piece on there.

And IT work, we actually worked. Yeah, doctor delay and never forget his name just so yeah. Then they use cover bone for a while. And now they use what?

Well, depends, there is artificial desks. I know a couple people that have artificial desks. And my friend, I got IT done this lower back. He's basically bone on bone constant information. So he got a titanium articulating desk ads in his back.

What is this surgeon may take a small piece bond from the hip called an autograph, using the next surgeon called interior survey diseased y infusion. The bone is plays between the space tween the vertebrate to stimulate bone healing and promote fusion. Oh.

so you got your refused. Yeah, they call IT a .

brolin graph. Oh, really no. Wow， so yes, that you get your hip.

your neck views, which they probably don't even do fusion, that it's a massive break or something like that. I recommend .

there's other ways you can heal bulging desks. And one of them, there's a process called regency and regena is I had that done in L A, in cena Monica. They used to do in germany, used to to go to germany.

Do you like kobe bright went over there and paid manning when over there? And what they do is to take your blood out. It's like plate rich plants. It's it's a more advances.

It's more advanced version of IT and they spin your blood in the center fuge and they add some stuff to IT and IT turns out into like one of the most potanin flam tories. And then what they do, you lie down there and they inject IT in your back there, like these little needles. I think there's a instagram post of me getting IT done on my lower back.

Did you ever slip this? Can you .

lower back? Bulging, balding, you is essentially a bulging disc, but they go back, bulging. This can go back.

You also have to have traction like a decompression. So there's a bunch that there IT is. So that's my back. I have that done. So they take that and they .

stick all and they drill that don't that's a no.

but I know .

it's middles, but it's not like active, punctual. They actually drill that.

Then they put no, no, they just show that needed players.

It's just like a serving each study of .

the colum yeah it's like a surrender. And then inside the serene, they pump in the regency staff, and then IT fills your those those areas up with this plate, let rich plas when it's been enhanced and IT just healed everything solutions. My neck was so lucky, I was getting nub fingers and pain in my elbow. Because do you really, you should go.

go to that? Yes, yeah. When I ride motorcycles also, I have my hands up, like, I mean, I i've shoulder issues, but I have that slip. This was a nine millimeter slip.

Why not do this?

Why this? Because that looks cooler.

Does IT not to me that .

looks super good when you're .

doing IT right now, things are, this looks good. This look like .

put IT up super high, put IT up super high.

That looks regarded turn t this .

about that? This Better. What about that?

Well, what do not is mean.

that's like down like that. That's when I find the crash was.

oh, really, you went crazy. No.

I didn't go crazy. I don't do anything differently with parties. You go slower and it's loud.

Know you're there.

Thank you. It's you.

They have electric bike, do you? Anna die, there's so fast. But do you anna die that nobody can hear you?

No, i'm going in a grid of sixteen guys every because everybody thinks hell, Angels, I go. There's nothing about that is trying emulate hell, Angels, mongols, any of that, you know, one percent of thing but when you hear that rumble coming down the road, yeah, can't wait to get the fuck out of .

the way yeah, oh yeah, yeah and that is, that definitely helps you stay. Ah yeah, loud pipe save lives. I've heard .

that to finish that thought what I did was is I went to, I started instead of resting, which is what doctors Normally say. They say, do surgery, do surgery? Rest, sleep.

See if that helps. If a doesn't help, do surgery. And I did the opposite, which later, you know, lad was like, any time you get hurt laid will be like, movement, movement, movement, movement.

But this was before all that, but I started working out, and I got worse, and I got worse and I got worse. But I continue to work out, and I started running, and I started doing pistol squats and all this kind of said. And then one day I was gone, and I never came back, really never came back.

So just beat IT out of you. I beat IT out of me. No.

yeah, this is everything, this relation.

you need blood in there, which is why they do P, R, P, which is why they do some sell work or whatever.

Yeah, and if you're just sitting there, the problem, you're also gonna body is going to atrophy, you're going to lose, and then it's going to make whatever injured that air in the first place.

I was always promoted by doctors. Why would that always be promoted by doctors again, whether it's politicians or whether it's doctors or whether it's they're telling you this is you got IT from the four food groups, man, you're going to die as well.

That is a lot to that stuff. But know the four group, four food group, that is a lot of which people just not knowing what the fuck they're talking.

That's what I am.

And also is a different perception back then of like what was healthy versus now. But it's also a lot of these doctors, they're not athletes and they don't really understand like what's possible with the body. They just not to fix things when they break.

And then for the average person, they say just rest because the average person is not kind of fucked and do what you're doing anyway. So like why? Why tell him? Like what you really knew to do is movement, constant movement, and just beat that injury in a submission.

And I feel Better losing. yeah. Like go do that uncomfortable things, start walking starts, maybe jog a little bit, maybe lift a little, son.

That's why when you see those videos of these guys that, just for whatever is in their personality of had fucking enough there, four hundred pounds. And I go, that IT book stops here. Yeah, i'm going to start doing my shit.

Yeah.

they hit rock bottom. They hit rock bottom. yeah. And then you see this again, what we were talking about before in center, where they are just going on, give shit.

Not the same with everything. Like, isn't that how you quit drinking?

Just hit rock box. Yeah, you know, I know. I hit rock bottom. I was fifteen and I shooting coke at fifty.

So yeah, the thing that you didn't want to try, I didn't want to try, but that was that group. That's why so many those guys died. Yeah you know. I mean, so when I look at hon.

Thomson, who I love as a writer, when I look at the len Thomas, who I love as a writer, and all these guys that had this kind of amazing life, and I feel too parallel, I had an amazing life, except nobody cared about mine. People really cared about theirs. I was just josh, that you wanted to stay the fucker away from well, like that mother fuckers.

Great to spend like an hour with. And ce IT hits ten clock. The moon comes out in the clouds part. You want to be anywhere around yeah. And then you get to that point where you go, when did honor as times and went? Did these guys just become like some kind of clown mask of themselves?

Do you know me? Well, the end honor was definitely that you ever see. One hundred was on coronal brian show.

No, he was horrible. He could barely talk. He barely can understand him as everything the morning was was real weird. And he was he got a gunfight with fucker neighbors, like shoot in his neighbors.

That's what I mean is .

at what point does he turn on drunk? But IT wasn't just that. His body was like .

rapidly deteriorating places. That's not old. No.

no.

not that. How you fifty seven?

Fifty six? yeah.

Like my mom died at fifty five. The whole saying this book became, was my mom dying in fifty five and me thinking back then he lived a nice long life. Lazy, it's fuck and crazy.

And then I turned out that I was fifty five when I wrote the book, which I D never even the book kind of dictated itself. And then I went, holly, fuck on fifty five. I'm super Young. Consider Young like this.

I have some joint issues.

but i'm Young for the most part.

for the most part but you're physically healthy, you not fAllen apart. You just have a few issues, which is just wearing tear of life that yeah but there's some people that if you don't take care yourself and you don't eat well and just also a lot other factors, genetic factors, but you could fall apart prety quick. But if you're a guy like corner doing coke and drinking every night.

you can do that. No.

I just want. And the writing was bad, like kids. The only time he wrote anything good in later years was two thousand, and one right after nine eleven, right after nine eleven, he wrote this great piece, I want to say I was like for sports lustration.

I forget who he wrote IT for, but he wrote this really great peace talking about what happens next after the twin hours fall. It's like he wrote this thing about waking up the morning, seeing the twin tower fall and then realizing what's ahead for us. Was very precise. And he was very good. He was very .

IT was current. Yeah, he was dead on.

He was dead on, and I was vintage hunter. It's like he tapped back into again on S, P N. S, P, N, that's IT. S.

P N.

This is the article. Yes, this, you know, this is the whole thing.

I mean, what's so great is when you go, I mean, this is kind of pop and all over the place. But when you go back and you look at all the politicians, whatever said, you know, whatever, whatever, red, blue, they lean tored. IT didn't matter because hunter was there looking for something different.

And IT wasn't all about him when he came down. They all describe hone's just like crazy. IT was so much fun to hang out with them, but there was never a lack of. He was super intelligent, yes, and wanted the best for everybody.

wanted. He wanted to. true. And what did you read? Fear loving on the campaign trail.

That's one of the more interesting pieces because he got this guy who's following around the campaign trail and he knows his only in IT for this one time. So he's not like any these other reporters. He just written a book.

These other people are yeah exactly.

And not only that, you can because he's going to buy a book like he's writing a book. You can you would you like write in that book but you know he's drop an acid. He's talking these guys and drinking like he's taking all these like fucking and nerdy political reporters and he's introducing them to a perspective that they're not aware of. They don't know anybody like that and the book is fuck .

and incredible. When you see guns, you see it's funny how much but when you see zo, I don't know I was in gonzo or another documentary you see how they're affected by IT. You see a humanity in them because of him that you don't Normally get .

to yes yeah he made you in a lot of things yeah and when people question the things like what am I doing?

Like quit. yeah. Why am I hear? What is my purpose? Or did I have a purpose when I was Young and I just fell into this political status quote?

And he even was questioning, like in the documentary, who is like, I don't even know what people want anymore. They want hunus tomson or they want gonzo like that is only made me anymore like i'm a prisoner of this thing that i've created and that's that's the thing that happens to people where they they developed this sort of imation percent yeah. And then you feel like you trapped by IT. You people have expectations and they make kendon talked about that. No, unfortunately, did you know?

So yeah, and not because of drugs, just because I was around, what year was that? When did he die?

Ninety two, ninety two, maybe thousand. New york. So IT had to be print nine, four.

Probably ninety .

somewhere around them.

I would say ninety, I knew him. Ninety and nineteen one IT was through a friend that I met him. And then he, like me now, and sweet, incredibly ly sweet guy.

He was a mother fucker, dude, mother. We just got a, this guy does bottle cap part. Yeah, go to my instagram, jami, and see the photo.

This guy just made this insane bottle cap art piece of kinison for my comedy club. And we put IT up last night. Oh yeah.

he was one of the first there.

That's all bottle caps. Like, no, yeah, those are bottle caps of you.

man. Yeah, that's like in prison. When they use the cigarette packs and the purchase, our cat gave me a piece of art with a bunch of cigarette te packs. They make frames. That was, wow.

Yeah, this guy with his name is jam bottle cap. R, J, A M, bottle cap, or he does a bunch of different pieces. And bottle cap. R, yeah, he's really good. Is really, really cool stuff.

You need my picture outside. I saw all .

your more shots and love, how is that good? How fucked up you look? I fucked up.

I got a smile on my face when somebody smiles during a mug shot. I was found that really funny.

So when you met kinison was .

IT out a show was IT just no oh.

IT might .

have been .

the comedy club. I don't only .

been coming the road.

He got kicked out the comic store, I think in like eighty .

seven.

probably the law factory because .

but that's not where I met. I met at a house OK made at a house, and I never went to a lot of those parties who is not not part of that thing wasn't invited. And but I I met him and I would he just, he was really sweet man who would like mellow out. IT wasn't like a thing that was an impact all the time, right? You know and but .

he was a prisoner to that thing that he became sure yeah his brother wrote a great book called brother sam. It's really, really good book to describe being like the ascent of his career and how fucked .

him up and what happened to .

him and what do you think IT was?

I mean with drugs, drugs in parting and in for quick so in .

one nine hundred and eighty six is on rody danger fields, Young comedians special and then he does uh an insane to this day holds up uh H B O hour and then those two things and then um an album that he may call louder than hell in those those things are the best things he ever does. Everything after that becomes like a significant drop off and in the end he was basically like a character of who .

used to beat yeah character .

himself exactly and he just was captured.

But it's also imprisoned.

There wasn't anybody to tell you how to do IT. Back then, though, there was only a few like massively famous comedians back there wasn't a lot of us IT wasn't IT wasn't like today. Today there's like a giant community of comedians.

We all talk to each other and figure IT out together. And everybody is just about making Better stuff. It's not about like getting hugely famous.

The ones just wanted get hugely famous. They are all mentally ill and usually their career drops off. Their comedy starts to suck.

They're trying to do the wrong thing yeah so in kinney said in the beginning, he just wanted to be the best he a bit. He just wanted to be really fucked and good at comedy and IT coming from this you know, tent pressure. So he's like this revival tent pressure.

And then he gets in a stand up comedy. He has this caris man, this ability to deliver that so different than everybody else. And he's this short, fat guys.

And when he talks about being married, living in hell, like, kind like, appears like bucket guys, amazing and revolutionized comedy, changed comedy. He was the first guy that I ever saw that made me think I could do comedy, because before that, I loved comedy. I always loved stand up. But I loved that because I was funny. I would just like to watch, you know, Jerry.

I felt on TV unna because you're so different than he is. And yet he was the one that true parallel with that, like liberated yeah.

Well, he was wild. That was the thing. I never felt like I fit in. I always felt like I didn't want to be around polite people.

I didn't want like of a girl, want to meet, to go over a house and i've dinner with their parents. I'm fucked in crazy. I was a kick boxer.

You know, I was a kid who had, I went from what else fifteen years old I got like, deeply involved in martial arts. My entire social life up until, like twenty one, twenty two was just traveling around the country fighting. And so my I was feral. My my mindset was just, I would just didn't fit in. Yeah, I .

couldn't wear A I thought .

we're funny. Other people would think we're fucked up, but my fucked up friends would think they're funny.

And those are the ones .

who talk me to and stand up. But they were equally fucked in boston. And and I went to see in eighty nine, I got to see him live.

In eighty, i've got to see him three times. One time when I was working, I was working at great woods center for the performing arts, and he was performing there. And I got to see him live. I was a security guard. Was this place in mansfield yeah the whole .

type one do team that I was a part of good job yeah where yeah I thought in .

ali when I lived in boston, I thought an anim in the national als um I I traveled all over the country competing that's all I did and um one of the guys who work with us, one of the guys are trained with us, got a job as a security guard and um you know the guy was like, kid, do you know any more guys we know how to fight like we need more guys like that work for us. They just hired a bunch of us. And so we got to see all these crazy concerts.

So I got to see bond job. I got to see bill cosby. I which was kind, yes, I saw running danger fill and roddy danger field was there was this backstage area, and roddy danger field was naked with a bathrobe on.

And that's how you'd go on stage. And the end of his career, like rodney would go and by the way, murdered. I mean, I was fucking laugh. He was probably, I know how was in that he was old and this fucking and guy was just on stage with a bathroom bon naked giant hog like hang ging and out was smoking part and he was so just hanging and out smoke apart, then he would go on stage with the bathroom on, yeah, I just kill. But because he wanted to be comfortable .

how how did other comedians feel about him? They loved one everybody.

Rome was one most univerSally loved comedians. He helped other comedians like Randy danger field. He did these things, uh, the roddy danger field, special like rodan friends. And so he would have, he introduced the world to die cray, sam kinnon and Robert shamu len Clark domi era, like some of the greatest. And they all came out of his ronni danger field and friends specials.

There are some of the greatest specials ever because he would have all these guys that he thought we're worth seeing yeah and he would put them out there to the world. And they all became superstars. And that's how sam instance launched.

He launched from rodney. And so bill hicks, a lot of people launched from rodney. So every love roney.

he was just love. I know he's your body. And you know, because comedians, I used to listen, I used to have six albums, and one was a bloody red final.

I remember the red albums. I see red out. yeah. I and I was sick, and I don't know where I got them.

I think I got them from like a flea market or something. But there were lying. Bruce, yeah. And that was the beginning. He was the first.

He was the first. He was the first real modern stand up comedian. Everybody else just told jokes, like two guys walk out of are like that kind.

He was the first guide was like, why do we do? why? He .

questioned IT, and people come to see him.

Because in the sixties, everybody was so confused that I have to think, like, yeah, what are we doing?

And this guy was like, we treat each other and point people out and people right at the .

most tense time.

And yeah, and then he bring IT around, and he, that's why he reminds me, shipped, because chapel would get so seemingly or standing bly inappropriate and then somehow get IT around ah and you go gives a master master .

and he is a real artist that's a guy like you only talk about like people that only start thinking about money yes does not him that do lives and fuck in spring field, ohio and just travels around and just does a lot of shows for no money. He does a lot of shows, just shows up in performs. One time I was in denver and I get off stage.

It's first show, second show friday night. So it's ten a clock show shows over. I've got out stage. I go to the Green room. Daves, there I go day.

What do you do in here? Man thought i'd come out to visit you just hopes on a fuck and private jet and flies to denver because he knew I was there, didn't even tell me, just shows up. And then I go, do you want to go to stage?

He goes, oh, I go fuck. So I ran out while the people were not everybody. Stairs come back.

In, sit down again and he does like forty five minutes and he was right around when trump was doing, when he got caught saying grab him by the post you like ten minutes about gravel by the party. He was genius. IT was so good off the .

top of his head though.

Oh, no, he, I mean, I don't know exactly how .

he designed material.

I think what dave doesn't ends a lot of time thinking and listening to music and coming up with ideas. And he writes some stuff down. But a lot of what he does is just performs constantly. He's constantly on .

stage work and arts. Difference between somebody who's just got what the body in the nate artist.

He's a real artist, a hero. He gets his a hero. Money is a good friend. But he gets these giant deals with netflix, where he makes a lot of money, which is great, but he doesn't do IT for money. He's doing IT nobody.

What you can tell is he gets these like, oh, he turned down fifty million dollars, you were crazy, moved to ohio or whatever the poking stories is that you want to make up but then he comes back. He makes these twenty million deal dollar deals with netflix, but it's never in place of his agenda.

No, it's all .

about the art is all .

about twice. Cause I know IT why .

he left to show because I been in that position where you go this is turning into some corporate version of what you like. You love what I do now you can't wait to put your fingerprint .

on IT that that's .

IT that's exactly so you can take.

so you can go you know about and he gave up and when one .

was given doing comedy .

for ten years, and you know what that he would do, he would occasionally show up in a park with like a fucking and speaker and just show up and do stand up. Yes, he did. He didn't seattle.

I know he didn't seattle because a friend of I was at the show. He shows up. He said he goes, David bell just shows up in this book and park. He get all a speaker with a microphone and he just starts talking and people just .

gather around.

He's just doing his like shows in prompting, shows he would show up in a bar. Can I go on stage? No, go a OK. And he knowing .

in his mind that he would eventually come back. No, that was just the present moment.

I think he just been an artist, just been an artist for the pure, say, be an arrest. So had the money that he did make off shpell show, and he decided to like, live frugally and take that money. And he didn't do anything for money for, like ten working years, then started come back. And then when we started coming back, remember, i'm come around the comic store again and we had some conversations about IT need just you know, he just decided to start doing comedy again and .

then you see people getting cancelled now and it's devastating to them. And yet that's what that was. He just decided himself, right? He canceled himself.

You can see the greatest sketch show of all time of all time, yeah of all. And only did two seasons is still the greatest.

It's not something that you see very often if somebody who just fucking can't help but beat to their own drum, right but the art wins and dark .

wind for him. Well, it's obviously ly when you see him.

he's so good. He's not malicious. He seems the moments where you think he's malicious. And again, who brings IT around?

Well, the malayan is just to height and the humor IT all just like brings IT and IT also accentuates like some thoughts that you might have about .

whatever he's talking about but it's what everybody y's think and so fucking terrified me yeah, i'm watching IT and another an appropriate guy, you know and my dad goes, how the book do you say what you say and I don't understand. I go I said, honestly, do you want to know because i'm not ultimately mean, I don't want I don't want to booking her. I don't want people to feel less than I do, right? But I watch shapu and even me.

I like to fuck, yeah, he walks that line. He gets out there, walks that line, but he dances around and he makes IT .

you to uncial IT so much because without him we're all fuck.

And he's a way to find out of a comedians account like if a comedian doesn't like supo.

they start sitting .

on the like OK pipa ship. You're just a garbage.

Have ever .

anybody here? A lot .

of is not a real there.

Yeah there's a lot .

of like it's not comedy .

activist canadians and what they are is really not talented. So they've glob on to this idea like being like socially conscious. And that's more important than the humor itself.

But nobody wants to hear you preach. nobody. Nobody thinks that your opinion is Better than theirs.

This is what I would say. Like if you go on stage, you have an opinion. Like other people have an opinion too. Like if you go on stage and say, you know, I think commonly Harry be the greatest president of all time.

A lot of people like, why don't agree, but you have to have a way to make IT funny so that they laugh. The people that disagree with you laugh. But I don't know, think this guys correct god down.

That's funny. And that's the way you can introduce an idea in the someone's head that maybe would never accept that idea. IT was just opinions.

So sometimes on stage they're just saying opinions. You you could disagree with that opinion. No, frustrate you. You you can't talk. You don't have you but if that guy can take that opinion and that perspective and make IT funny and you're forced to acknowledge that he has a point yeah like there's something in there like I agree with that a fucker of god day that was good, good. That was good and that's the liberates yes, that's the real chapel art that's I mean .

that we'll stay on this forever. But remember at morphy when he did what? Not the first, not raw, but delicious.

Dela, yeah, oh yes. Well, he was a fucking powerhouse to this day. That is the guy that I just wish I was friends.

I was friends with his brother charlie, yeah. But I wish that guy, I wish you would come back now. I know he got like some weird stuff we got arrested with, he's too good. He's too good. He's too good. You ever see when he he gave a speech, he got like, I think was like one of those mark twin awards or something like that and he did stand up like where he hasn't not stand up and forever, but was talking about bill cost .

me having to .

give his awards back and because he know he doesn't an amazing bill cosby and so he he did stand up, but he was as sharp as ever and like that this guy came .

back and he was just off the off prepared no, i'm sure he prepared. But nobody really knew. He knew he's .

going to give a speech, right? And his speech was essentially standard.

Expect in speech twenty .

years yeah, and he was fucking great. And there was all these rumors that he was gonna start doing that again. I'm ever charly told me the day was thinking about doing IT again or that at he was thinking about two again. But he never did IT never do IT never. I think it's just too heavy.

We need comedians. I mean, that's like the theme of this whole thing is where you're talking about a hunter. Whether you're talking about this, it's just too bad that they self destruct, whether IT be from drugs or fame or whatever.

And you know, I mean, this hard man, it's it's hard to maintain. And then once you make IT, there's this weird pressures.

But IT breaks up the status quo of this contraction, especially that we're fear. I know that's why people move to Austin there, just like i'm fucked and sick of being told to think a certain way well.

That's why comedy and Austin works so well. No, because we all moved here at the same time. We all moved here twenty, twenty.

Like I I was here because, well, ron White, he moved here first. And ron White is a dear friend of on, and he moved here before the pandemic. And wrong was like, I don't want to live in there anymore.

I thought, I love IT here. There's no traffic, foot foods, great. Fuck people or not.

I can travel a flam in the center, the country flying, and where were were quick. And I was like, damped. But I live in texas, I can know about.

And then kova came and right, and like my wife was kind of interested a little bit. But then when the riot started happening in L. A, then you got really scared. He got very little, little, a lot of, like home invasions.

There was a lot of .

crazy shit that was happening.

Where is he from? Originally, a SHE was from colorado.

No, no, no. And so SHE lived ally with me for a while, and we were happy. We lived in bell canyon, which was like outside of L.

A. It's nice, peaceful. How to land hawks and shit. yeah.

Well, for me, I was okay because I had quiet where I lived and then I could drive into the comic store. yeah. And I loved IT.

But then when they shut the common store down, and they shut everything down, and the rice animals, like, maybe they are not gonna, let us to go back. This is like, these fucking and cock suckers have control now, and that's what they like. That's why they became politicians in the first place. They like telling people they can't work, they have a grip on society, and they yna fuck and keep this grip. We ve got to get the fuck out.

So did you move side on saying, did you move just? Did you just come if you find a place? Or did you can you came and you hung out for .

looking to see if I could deal with that. We took a like a few days off, and we flew to awesome with some friends who are also thinking about doing IT. None of them want that moving here.

Couple of a moved to dallas, but we came here and then um one of things that helped my daughters were ten and twelve at the time. They were really and they were real confused about what was going on. L A was spooky, you know yet to wear a mask everywhere.

And that freaks kids out like this. This is freezing. We protest.

No, he go to restaurants. And we had this great real state lady, and this great. She's a good friend now.

And he took us, we want to see this house, and he took us on a ride on a boat. He had a friend to take us on the lake. We go on the lake.

People are playing in lanner skinner. The're jumped in the water. They're laughed and and saying in. And in L. A, everybody's thinking.

like the world's going to enter d man, I was in, I was in new mexico, and I was out on a hundred thousand acre ranch low, right? And we were doing out of range. We were doing the first season of our show and we were tested every morning.

And when I was out in the middle of nowhere, I mean, would like good fifteen miles in our winds. You'd have somebody come up. If I put my mass down to talk, you'd have somebody go, yeah, but yeah and i'd be like, there's not we're in the middle of nowhere also .

IT doesn't even work.

IT doesn't work. It's stupid. I'm not even saying that I have a certain belief system or anything, but in that moment yeah .

provable that they don't work. Provable yeah and people lost their fucking minds. And IT was a stress test. And so we came out here. I bought a house like quick.

and I was still the same house you have really.

Yeah, we looked at the house in may. I was living in in August, and we were here. And then my kids are going to school on here.

They loved IT. I love IT right away we were performing, and then we were doing shows inside. Wherever is like, this is crazy. You guys are doing shows indoors because taxes didn't give a fuck. They like two shows like like a couple months after cover open IT up and so what are the numbers .

of people who got coit? You have never had cove IT you never got IT all that's crazy. I never got IT. I don't know if that's a blood type. I don't know what is that, maybe healthy, maybe have a right now, right?

Maybe the new coffee is a joke. It's like we used to test every day. We still everybody came because I wanted to be compliant and want people to feel safe. People flying out here to do podcast.

I want to make sure, dick and so we tested everybody before every show and one time I came in and I the sniff and I was like, maybe it's cove IT, maybe it's cove IT and the nurse is like, actually you have covered was like, no way i'm like, this is the new covered but I had at once, and like famously got in trouble for saying that I didn't get vaccine, but I got healthy. And there was the CNN attacks and let IT. The second time I got over, IT was literally sniffles and IT was gone. And like a day or two.

So with the numbers different in taxes than anywhere else.

I don't know. The numbers are all like the real people that got sicker, the people abilities. That was the real issue. IT was exposed. It's not that I did .

because I have a brother in law who was in the orland, in the epoca of IT, and that was the beginning of his residency and all that. He was like Opera examining, yeah, you really.

really unhealthy covered. Fuck you if you're really fat. In particular, there was something about the way that reacted to america.

He said, that's a bit and d thing. That's a.

and yeah, well, you know, african americans is a reason why there are so dark. The melon is to protect them from the sun and melanin and White people. The reason why they are so pail because IT access like a fucking and solar panel for five time in the right, so the million and actually protects them from the sun's damage.

And but IT also makes IT more difficult for them to get vitamin d. So my friend would did is residency in new york. And he said, during the winter time, uh, we would do blood panels on people, and they would have undetectable levels of vitamin day. And this is the reason why people get sick the winter. Yes, you covering up your indoors most of time, you're not getting vm d, you're not getting any sun if you're not supplementing and not just with vitamin, by the way, you have to mix vitamin with k two and magnesium, that's the most effective way if you're ought ted to process that. If you're not doing that, your immune stem shit.

it's not that you're giving. You're not a living by tradition. You're giving each other the thing because you would do that in the summer too. But the minute you go .

outside and you get that at that sun, it's burning IT away earlier posed to be outside. We're not designed. You locked up in fucking cubicles and forested lights, all that is not Normal. So it's not healthy.

And if you don't do something to immigrate, that the counteract that your your methodology health is going to suffer if you're not fit, if you're not healthy, if you're overweight, you're not eating wealth, you're not taking vitamins. All those things are a huge factor that was completely ignored. And the narrative was like, no, you need this novel injection that we haven't tested on anybody.

We're going to fuck and shooting in every baby, every kid, every pregnant woman. Did you take one? No, I almost did.

I didn't think IT was a bad thing like this whole pandemic is through education and talking to doctors, and also drew my experiences that completely change my concept to my thought about the medical system. When the vaccine was first available, I was more than willing to get IT. In fact, the u.

fc. Allocated a like a hundred and fifty vaccine for their employees. And we were doing these coffee shows where there was no audience.

So we would do at the apex in vegas with the usc has our own small arena, and we would have the fights there. And you going get tested, I I get tested in Austin. I'd fly to to vegas and then they test me again.

And you weren't supposed to go anywhere. You just stayed in your hotel and then you showed up into the fights and then they got the allocations to the vacation and I called up the doctor said, i'm here. Uh, um for the fights, can I get accepted? They said, sure, come on in.

And then when I got there, I called the doctor and said, actually you have to go to the clinic. We have to do IT out the clinic. Can you go on monday? I said, I can't.

Uh, I have to go back to Austin, but i'll be back in two weeks for the next fights and will do with that. He said, great. In that two weeks they pulled the vaccine because people get blood clots. And then also during the two weeks, two people that I knew had strokes like one guys and fifties, and one guys in its forties.

immediately following the .

vx within within days of the best, got strokes. And I had a bunch of friends said that complications, one friend who has a pacemaker, I have a second friend now that is a pacemaker. And there was all these things .

that just kers no have for the rest of their lives.

I don't know IT IT depends on whether not your heart heals like how bad the damages IT. But his heart would stop. He would stop beating for like nine seconds at a time. And he was just faint and he was falling down. And you know, doctor jews talked about this, about the he believes that would happen to a lot of people, that a boosted a lot of people like after the booster, like there's something that would happen where your heart would just stop beating for a while. You out and I would start up again.

And because IT wasn't proven, IT wasn't proven thing, but then again, how many of them are proven because right lets you sense what seventy two seventy three shots yeah well.

that's a different kind of that. No, but I understand that.

But they're still yeah and you why so much more now? Is there that much more disease?

It's money. I think it's I mean, i'm not an anti of vacation person, but I subscribed to Robert f. Kennedy is perspective like they should all be tested. They should be safety tested. And there's not.

But IT comes down to this thing like we were talking about working out. IT comes down to this thing where you go, listen, the medical community I can use, yeah, for certain things. The holistic community I can use for certain things. Why do I I have to deny right one just to be full in on the other?

right? exactly. Well, just narrative of that. They put out there that medicine and pharmacy eur al drugs are the most important thing and everything .

else is bulshed. Everybody should takes oxycodone. Everybody should be.

yes, yeah feel Better. You feel Better. You .

anything is Better about IT.

So when we came here, um that was the thing was like everybody who came here was kind of like, fuck this and then there were so many of us. Ron, talk me and open up a comedic club. I member, yeah.

Ron went on stage. Like for the first time. I like months.

Like I think he was eight months, and he grabs me by the shoulders. Like, right after got at me, he fucked and crush. He goes on stage as a giant standing ovation.

He crushes and he comes off stage, grabbed me by my soldiers. Whatever the book we have to do, we will keep doing this. He got, you got to open up a club.

I go, okay, i'm going to open up a club. Yes, sir. And then I just started looking at club spots.

How often do you do IT?

almost. I mean, every week, but every week last night, three times, and one of the three sets last night, yeah, it's constant working.

Yeah do you don't want or .

rigas director? Yeah, I don't know. Personally.

more surprises me. Yeah, that's what i'm doing. I'm at the parameter ter tonight.

I love that guy. Yeah, i'd love him. Yeah, done one to have known him for thirty years.

I'd love to make them. But no.

I love his work though. Yeah, super good guy. yeah. And he plays at antons a lot.

Oh yeah. Antons antons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good place is, yes, my friend gary.

I didn't note. So my wife knows bary's wife really?

Oh, my wife knows. Ws.

gary thought wife really should. Dude, I met somebody on the plane who SAT next to my wife.

They, they sent a picture to my wife. No, yes, yes, wait. But I don't .

know the day the guy's name.

I don't know the guy. No, no, no, no.

The guy that I met on the plane today, he said, what are you here doing? I said, broken this afternoon. I'm doing permal theater tonight and he said, ah, that's so funny and he didn't talk to me the whole flight and he said, my son Betty went out with rosy. Yes.

that's three. Yes, that's what is. So he sent a photograph, ed, my wife.

yeah.

because I took a photograph when I was leaving my show.

the .

small world. But yeah, so yeah. Gary's wife and my wife .

are good friends, so met is the best.

I love him. He's the best. An arrest, an artist is an .

arrest artist. I was. I did this video. I was asked to do a lot of video, and I ve never done a video because i've never wanted to do a video.

The idea of doing video seems weird to me. You're like you singing somebody else, a song or something. But Chris stapleton, who's been a problem for a long time. So we were in more of IT together, has yeah I ve one of the greatest fucking guys. He and Morgan one of the greatest people so yeah, we were together over the weekend and morph texas.

that's what can cool. Yeah, yeah. There's meaning in gary is another guy that I knew back in L. A. I met gary at the comment store.

Doesn't he still live in L. A? No, he lives here. Oh.

he does. yeah. And that's the same thing. Like when I talk to gary about, I know why you move to texas and this was back when I was still lived in a egg is man, fuck that, fuck that place, fuck everything about that place.

I don't like I told we just moved out. If we haven't moved to Austin, i've spent a lot of time here. I love IT here.

My mom from corporation rise. I've spent a lot of time in taxes. I'm going to eat water to burger well on here. And I know we moved to send a barbera centers, and it's one of those things. It's just like there's the thing about la when you don't need because you can do so many things remotely and you .

go why I hear right right?

Why I here like I embrace this staunch thing of i'm a california and and I loved going to new york and see how proud people were in new york. And I go back to california, i'd say I want to be the one proud person that's in california.

There was proud people in L. A. For a while there.

We were all proud. We were L. A comics. Yeah, there were only comics were a different thing than new york comics, because new york comics were all like for themselves. They are all kind of shady and backstabbing at the comic store. We had a real community there was like.

and that was the best thing. And what you've done is recreate IT like even when I talk about a chopper community, that's what IT is. It's a community that you can rely on regardless of belief system or anything like that. You go, but that guy has my back. That guy will walk through fire from, yes, that guy wants me to do well.

That's your people. That's my people. yeah. And that's the same thing all my people moved out here.

They moved out here with. So we had like sixteen top shelf comedians move out here in the first two years. There's so many clubs out here. There's five clubs on the street where my clubs I bought the old street theatre yeah so that's the comedy mothership now. And down the street there's a sunset club that my friend brian ones, that's a club that's like five doors down for me.

So all these are new clubs that happened in the last four year.

The volkan was already there. That was the club that we started working out when we came here. That's down the street from me.

That's only like a blocks away. And then there is the creek in the cave, another comedy club that's only like two blocks away. There's a bunch of ARM just on this one street.

What if I move here and to open a club and just do monolog do you think people will come? Sure, different. Ladies gentleman, this ones from salaria.

If it's good, people would go. They might, you look, man, you fuck and really have .

a this is the weird R T.

city. It's A R IT is there is a lot of fake artist .

that yeah there's .

a lot of posers, but that's all people that just like like the idea of being the one who decides what's real and what's not real yeah just goofs here. Who is going to have that? There's a lot of that.

They hated us, what we came here. But really what they didn't like is that you couldn't just fuck around anymore. The real killers were here. Now the real top shelf, like national headliners, guys like tom sugar and tim Dylan and these animals moved into town.

So like A B hub of the .

world for comedy, the comedy mother ship is the hub of comedy in the world. Yeah, and it's just open two years ago. It's packed every night.

It's it's awesome. Like, dave came down like opening week. He was incredible and no one know he was there.

So, uh, I did that. And then, uh, after I did a said, I, I, I introduced him. And everybody just want fuck in a shit and we're like, it's up like the clubs role in now.

Now it's really happened. And then all these people were coming in from all of the country, and a bunch of people moved here. There are these people moved here constantly. Shame giles moved here, and all these guys moved here.

So it's still and oh yeah, it's still grow.

We talking to open up another club because it's were so packed every night. And we have so many comics, we almost have too many comics. And not enough room .

has a place grown a lot in the last four years I mean, other than people yeah .

but you a google, facebook.

And remember when Jesse James moved here, which was a while ago.

he moved a long time.

long time ago. I remember when he moved from long beach and he called many was like.

it's fuck and grape. It's Better. I just never over live in a place at a traffic over again.

I'll never live in a big city astern like a million people, a million on the outside in a million in the city. It's nothing. It's easy.

It's easy to get around people friendly. They just like real people there. There's no one here that's like connected to that machine that that that force compliance. Why do you think .

that feeds into you are like to me being an ally, when everybody's talking about what your status right now, what do you .

think all people care about us? Are you killing? Are you going on stage and fuck in killing?

Are you doing your best work? Are you doing IT period?

And are you doing your best work like really .

just another affectation.

And if you're at that club, you have to be working on because there's too many people that working on yeah, is too many killer. You can just be lazy. Yeah you won't survive. There's too .

many killers .

time tonight. Want to I once you think, what time is that?

I don't know. A where .

was .

seven .

on the .

neck show?

He's here all the time. He's always hanging out here. You are my book.

I do not. You don't know. I do not know what to me. They did probably went to a public sister.

Someone has to bring a book for.

oh, by josh Brown of the truck.

why?

Why one of the truck, what do you think is that where your drunk passed out?

That's where my mom's boyfriend was drunk and passed out. But IT has this to me. I chose IT because IT has a double entire that when you're under a truck where you're fixing IT or getting run over by IT, hence life oh, I know they're getting running one right or .

fixing how did you sort IT out because you're so together now? Yeah, I think you are. Thank you.

You're fun. Fun people are together. If you are going to be fun.

you're together. I think I am at that place. I found a place that you have always been at that I didn't have.

I had the opposite where you go. I didn't do cocaine because and forget the drugs, it's the mentality. I didn't do cocaine because I would kill me and I would go. H, that stuff will kill you.

Yeah.

let, let's just walk that line. I always wanted to walk that line. And I had a mother that walk that line. The book is very mother heavy, very, very mother heavy. And IT wasn't intended to be IT just turned out that that's why I wanted to book a ish out a book.

No, I I .

wanted to read you a section of the l thirteen year old lst time because it's five. Yes, it's juicy. Yeah, you like juicy stuff. I do. And I want to read your juicy stuff.

L D is wild. That such a crazy mind blowing experience for a thirteen year old to have.

Yeah, can you imagine, because you look at, I mean, I I had kids when I had my first kid. I was twenty years old, and I was looking at fourteen years in prison. Oh my god. yeah.

So he's Christ.

So that's why I would. I missed my shot out there. So there's a little .

look find josh brolin o yeah .

see if it's in there. I think .

there's a couple of .

a problem. Um well.

it's part of your life and it's why you're you today because you've gone through shady experiences .

yeah but I don't know if they're shady. That's what I I haven't decided whether they're shady or whether they're necessary for this person to get to this place and not everybody gets to that place. So we're talking about all these people like honey son hunus tomson is my mother man just did.

SHE wasn't a good writer, but everything, that youth, the song that was my mom, my mom had loaded nine millimeter at her bedside table all the time. He was part of the, what was the scan that went on in the eighties, the pyramid scan. H, remember that she's one of the top five winners of the pyramid.

Sy, SHE could talk anybody and to anything. So SHE would come home, literally, man, with bags, with grocery bags full of cash. wow.

SHE dumped out. She's say, count. G, so I would sit there. wow. No, I mean, and he d put them and I finally found, I think he had hidden some in her dresser, and there was like a loose board that SHE great took away and put money and and I found IT and botts and drum.

When my grandma that died, we found stuff like that in her house is my grandmother went through the depression or yeah and so everybody, they're all like stock power money. So SHE had coffee cans and filled with money that he had like talk to and like different areas of the house that were .

found after he died. It's kind of great. Yeah ality of like.

yeah. Well, the mentality grow up or you literally might start to death.

There's no but there's no way that can affect you, and that's the whole point. There's no way that somebody can have that mentality of every cent means something and we have to hide IT unless you need somebody else. Takes her to whatever.

With my mother, I was always looking for the most vivid experience, and I don't know why that was. Her parents weren't like that is just how he was. And then you either have my brother, I don't know. You have siblings, but my brother double with a totally different, my brother and plod IT so he lives his life as simply as you can possibly live. IT.

where is me? IT was my reaction. Was that way?

yes. yeah. So so how now and why? I don't know, I don't know. Forty five years old, and this feels like a good age to go OK do I want to? Don't want to go nicker don't want.

Right, right, right, right.

And I can do that easy.

You next used to date vici Lewis, who was on this radio with me, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Super talent. Sing a firework.

And nick, we used to hanging around the set. And I was always so weird me to be talking. And Nicole, he was so strange.

yeah. I mean, one time I went to fries electronics because I was going to buy some people I used to make my own computers. No, because I was like, really like computer games, like build my own computers and so on there, like looking at mothership PS.

And I see this fucking and old guy with his glasses on, and I go, go nickey joe, how are man? Do you know anything about these things? And like, just talking to about a computer, stop. But I couldn't believe he knows my name. I ever remembered me.

He said my life meant, he said my life. At twenty five.

I was bright. There's a terrible movie called warrior. Terrible movie, terrible movie.

You mean the u. Fc movie with tom hard? But he's fucking incredible. And is one thing is one scene, this one scene when he breaks down, he's the dad. It's so flocking good. It's so good at one scene is worth sitting through the entire proposal movie.

Why do you hate that movie?

So because it's fake, you can have, you can't fight like two days in a row.

Wasn't the tie and jack fight? Wasn't that amazing?

Yeah, it's amazingly get pay so much money for .

that twenty five million and forty eight.

I think twenty and forty. Yeah I think that's what i'd heard, which i'm happy I got the money and i'm happy that he didn't get hurt and I was my fear that he was going to be a real fight.

He was going to have known him for a long time.

I ve known him for a long time. I love that me. And he was, like, larger than life figure in my childhood when I was a kid, when he was a chap, he was like, people don't understand what a champy was like.

He was, he wasn't just the chapter, the world. He was an executioner like you. Every fight was just a matter.

And was that I want to go see a couple of fight, and I actually want to go see who you will see your chavez fight. And that's when I met ties. And in the Green room, I met at the same time, mom at ali in the Green.

Oh, wow, I was a moment. Wow, it's a boxing fan. Was a real moment, but I remember, and I don't know who I was, and I think that was a ninety second fight, and I went to go see this fight, and tyson was fighting, and this guy was doing this stuff before, and he had this caught.

He had built himself into confidence and mike came out afterwards. He was the first one, obviously, and I came out afterwards and I watched his face. I didn't watch mike.

He would Normally watch mike because he's so arithmetic and he's coming. He want see what he's going to do. And I watched the guy's face, and I watched ed, that confidence bleed from his face. Yeah, instantaneous. And he had up, absolutely lost the fight long before I could ever gotten in the ring.

Yeah, I maintained that in the time where he was champion, like to two or three years where he was at as best. He he's the Grace fighter of all time, of time, of all time.

That's why I was so interesting to me as I was watching IT. Not very version when IT comes to that shit. Come on, what the fuck? And he was.

he's still quick. Oh yeah, she's still very quick. But, you know, my cat, like he was walking with a cane just .

like a year and half ago. Yes, he was really bad.

SATA. A A H, yeah, a real bad. Wasn't long. I mean, when I first met him, when he was very, very heavy, he was not working out at all and I asked him how community work on I thought, I want to ignite my eagle that's like night the gods of war.

the gods of war now and in the second .

time he came in um was when he was preparing for the roy jone's junior yeah and he was a totally different human being. He was fuck at act in a shape and he looked was super intense and he was just like ready to go and he was terrifying. He was like a complaint.

Jammy.

when few years ago, four years ago, four years ago. And so when he came in, the second time was like, this is James said IT afterwards, you like this a totally different human being. At the first time we saw he was one of the first guys like, like I said with nick nalty was like, really nick naughty, this is crazy. Yeah, can be right there, mike. Tis is one of the first people that I met. I can't believe he's really here because just like he was so iconic, like you had to be alive and be a kid during the time where he was the champion to understand what he was because there was after mohamed ali, Larry homes was a great fighter but no one liked him because he beat up a hamdi so people who just wanted.

yeah that was that the only reason there was there's just a certain air of somebody, and they come along once in a great while.

Yes, but Larry holmes never got his due. He was an amazing .

fighter later.

But when he retired, then there was just like a series of boring champions. Like no one cared about the heavy way division at all. Yes, no one cared.

And then the cover of sports illustrated, I said, I haven't framed in my office at home. Is that kid dynamite on IT? And he was nineteen years old.

I was like, who is this guy? yeah. And then I started watching and fight, and then he was fight.

unlike abc word world sports, you do yourself and watching highlights.

fights all the time. Yeah, yeah. I just just watched this fight with Frank bruno just a couple of days ago. Oh my god. Tyson was something just I just don't think you can maintain that you never worked .

out with like you remember the fight with him and bone crusher smith? H, yeah, yeah, not a great fight.

No.

because bone crusher Smith was not a great fighter.

but a good fighter, tough guy, brutal. Just wasn't at mix level. Yeah mike was at a level that no one was at IT was just IT was in same combination of discipline, talent, incredible coaching, a psychology you know, when he was thirteen years old was adopted by a guy customers is yeah .

he hit title .

with time is thirteen and he into being .

the greatest fighter.

the greatest fighter. And I told him, you don't exist, only the task exists and the task .

was just like, yeah, yeah, i've never heard him say that.

say that other people, yeah, he said that publicly. He always thought, yeah, he talked about the hip noses. You started doing that when he was thirty years old.

So what's the parallel between? And this is the last thing I interview you about. What's the what's the thing between tyson and john Jones, who I met once, and I looked at him when I met him on a plan and he didn't give me really the time a day, but I was like, i'm a huge fan and I don't say that off and to .

a lot of people because .

I am sure he does is no doubt special fighter.

It's conquers. That's what IT is like. They're both conquers. Like I I had this thing that I put up on my instagram in the day somebody made IT was me talking about trying explain why john exists that there's people that are just different. They're wired different and they they are uncommon among the uncommon men. They just, they rise the top of the top.

and they .

just dominate. They just dominate. And that's john. He's just the Grace of all time, thirty seven years old, and he's still the greatest.

I mean, watching, watching you, tyson and jack Paula, whatever. Jack paul, I won everyone to say tyson, and then going the next day and watching that fight, watching those fights, he wasn't the only fight. The one before was, what was his name? The fight before?

John Jones, oh, Charles Oliver, ma? yeah. dia. dia. five. amazing.

Yeah, yeah. John is. He's a special dude. When he's gone, we're gona miss him. So different kind of he's been at the top for fourteen fucking years. He won the title of the Youngest guy to ever win the title, twenty three, and Michael was the Youngest. Heavy, wet and twenty, which is really crazy razer, but when john Jones won that title, twenty three is just in destruction ah of everyone every since every never ducked anybody, fought all the best, destroyed everybody as dominated division, went up to heavy weight.

dominated heavy. Why does somebody like that self destruct?

Is that self to cause a wild mother fucker?

That's how you get to be that good. And what we're talking about the whole time we're taught, like whether tomson and this and how you walk that line mites and spending whatever three hundred hundred and fifty four hundred million dollars going to jail, whatever that is.

But that also what makes you so good, that wildness. John Jones, when fought marcio, show gon who, for the light heavy title when he was twenty three years old, he opens up the fight with a flying knee. Nobody does that, fighting a legend of shower at that time when he was the light everyway champion. He was a legend, and not just a legend from the usc, but a legend from pride. Ah, pride was this gigantic oranienburg japan that .

shogen really be.

So he was like a mythical creature, almost in an MMA circles. He was, that was shogen, who he was, a conna.

Gregor and john Jones, john's in a .

different category.

a different thing.

Yeah, conner self destructed a lot of ways because of money, you know, I mean, he took that fight with flowed mayweather, made a tony money off that and then took a long time before he came back to MMA. And it's just not been the same guy sense. And I think that's just its money is a lot of party in, but it's the same kind of thing. It's just a while. But in his prime, when corner was in his prime, he was .

fuck amazing. He is a fucking thing. But is that thing of that through line of not being able to let go? It's like what you were talking PC pell leaves for ten years, but then he goes to the park and he does a thing, there's a thing that's sensation ble.

that warrior mentality. If this a difference, because physically you can only fight for you. You get Better, Better now that he was a year ago had .

be Better two years, you can still be danger field eventually.

Don't right. When I saw him was probably seven years old, he was murdering and his fucking .

bathroom over this song hanging out yeah.

was he was still amazing. Because the sound of physical thing you don't have, like your body, can only compete at the highest levels, which is one of things is so extraordinary about john thirty seven, and he still repeat the highest level.

They blew my mind in the other night. He was exciting. He was nice to be excited .

about the passes prime, unfortunately. And he's got a lot of wear on the tires and was a rough watching him get beat up like that. But that's the game they play. That's the sport.

yeah. And what's great about you have see that I never thought would last in the beginning. The great thing is anything can happen, anything, anytime, anytime.

Frank fitter and luzo ratio. We said that every fight, every usc, we sell holley shit moments. That's that's what he said. Like there's moments in a five we like howe should look around at each other and everybody.

nobody doesn't Better than you. When you do that, you go back in your thing, you go.

we always did that, but then they started to putting cameras on us. And I don't know why when this kind yeah, we always did that every time something .

would happen because if yes, like you can help, that's what i'm doing at home.

Yeah, holy, holy shit. Yeah, holy shit. Yeah there's moments where you just like you can't believe it's really happening.

That's the sport. The sport is is the crazy sports. The highest consequences of any sport is is so wrong, dangerous and you can't look away. It's so crazy. And what someone can dominate IT like john Jones or George cpa or mighty mouse or .

any the great orpen another great .

great they when they can do that, it's like that's a different kind of human being says, I mean, to be the best of the best people, the best people in the world you're fighting and then he's the best of the best people yeah and with George is in his prime. He was that same sort of thing. You would see him stand there like this, intense looking as eyes, just couldn't wait to get his fucking and hands on a guy like, got damn. I feel very, very, very, very fortunate that i've been able to witness personally so many those moments yeah and be there to watch greatness so many times.

I think it's great that you've continued. It's surprising to me that you've I know you do and that's why you continue to do IT.

Why did the first, like thirteen of them for free?

First thirteen ever? Yeah.

first thing I did. No, there was already IT was like usc thirty. Oh.

when you got and I started work at uc.

Twelve, I did usc. Twelve was the first event that I did, one hundred and ninety seven. I was the post fight interview.

And so I did that for a couple of years. But IT was banned from cable. IT was basically.

that's why I said I was going, went like this, and then I was going down.

Boxing did IT to them, boxing cows with blood wise, which is funny. Now, blood White sponsors you. But they all wanted the M, M.

A thing to go away because he was so exciting and crazy. They thought of IT as a threat, and they essentially ban ishi, ed IT. And also, I just had this unsafe look to IT. You're fighting in a cage and not back in those days, you know? And then.

yeah, was just great.

I was like, they would call a human cock fighting, you know which I was found disgusting. But me as a martial artist, the question was always what would happen if you got a judo guy? Any how to restore er what would happen if you ve got a box and for toqui guy would and the u fc is like, let's find out horan gracy came up with this.

That's what I was going to say. Gracie was only the first judea sus.

Judge right well and hose was the first champion of the u fc and he was the first guy to like. Technique is more important than everything. Technique is more important than being big, more important than being strong. Because voice was, like, hundred and seventy five pounds. He was very slight and long and just a judge wizard.

And he would get guys in the ground struggle, the fuck out of more like, what? What s just open up the world to brazil? Judicio and IT made brazilian judge to, like the most popular martial on earth.

His appearances is in the O. C. Changed the entire course of Marshal's. His family, the gracy family is, but particularly his father aleo, his, his brother hicks and his brother holler, they in horry, of course, because he created doc, they changed Marshall ts forever ah that the more more development evolution of Marshall has taken place over the last thirty years and over the last thirty thousand years yeah but like really that's accurate like fighting is different. People really understand what works .

and what doesn't work now. And watching him IT was bolete IT was like a ballet.

IT was IT.

IT was art and martial arts.

No, he was. His dad told him, don't hurt these people, don't hurt them. You don't have to hurt them.

Show them the art. Show them the art. yeah. So like choice. When I got on top, people who was like albom about, yes, he was a stranger.

And folks, just armed barn folks making them tap, making him quit. And he did IT to everybody. And they were all like, what the fuck is happen? And everybody had to learn you to changed marsh arts forever.

My has done, have done IT. Yeah.

they don't do IT anymore. They do other stuff. I don't push him, whatever.

If they wanted to do IT tomorrow, they said, i'm talking about kick box and let's go where you want to go. But I don't believe in everybodys different. I don't want them to follow my footsteps.

Anything stupid like that. I wanted to be your own human being. what? What are you interested in? They're both interested in different things.

My Youngest is an artist, you know, my other one is phenomenal athletes. Like, I think that you should do what you want to do. And if you want to do that, i'll bring you, i'll show you, i'll teach you, i'll help you. But if you don't want to do that.

I don't want to push you. Let me be a good parent and celebrate what my so .

many different kinds of things you could be interested in life. And everyone has a different psychology. So everyone has different things they gravitate towards is just like what is the thing is that music is IT, art is IT you're writing, what do you like to do?

Find that thing. Chase IT down. How many? After three, I will grown. She's twenty eight and I have a sixteen and fourteen. Yeah, I feel like you've got ta do what what what compels you? What drives you.

And part of as a parent is like, there are so many stories of parents, particularly with like, talented athletes, that were too hard on the kid and put too much discipline on the kid. And the kids burned out. Yeah, i've seen so many cases that, yes, you know what?

These side you 是 kill。

The joy is a joy. You know what, how its Graces dad used to do. If he lost a competition, he would buy them at present.

Because what was the psychologist?

They're always gonna want to win.

meaning the effort he bought, the effort he bought the present for the .

effort IT doesn't matter, doesn't matter. Like here you have a toy. Here's here's a gift. Here's a thing like it's like this is just growth, is just development houses.

Dad allia felt like you live the same life over and over and over again until you get IT right. He subscriber that, like ancient eastern philosophy of reincarnation, he really believed you will live the same over and over and to you get IT right. And so his philosophy, do one percent .

Better a day. Just do one percent, just give you IT. It's not about going from here to hear. It's not living at one hundred .

percent all the time. Process growth and and through that concept process, I mean, what they did was even more crazy because alio, along with the Carlos gracy, they revolutionized a martial art like they judge, was brought over by these judgments from japan, mia and a and camera who came over to amErica or came over to brazil rather, and trained with Graces.

And then they took those techniques and made them applicable to smaller people, made them apply to, like, because there was only one hundred forty five pounds, but even have these no rules fights in brazil, his fucked in a huge fights that would go for like an hour and a half. Wo yeah. And he would just beat these guys with technique.

So they developed leverage, and they figured out a way to highlight the submissions and make things super technical. And they would lize moves and break them down. And IT became the philosophy of the entire family, that one family created more fucking assassins then any other .

family in the history of people.

Yeah I whose here a couple .

months ago. Girl.

have a cant. Bro.

it's a cant, but it's a close call. Yes and it's a it's a friendly familiar cant.

Yes, they're very nice people but that's the thing about judge is like you get out all your aggressive in the gym and .

that kills you're ego .

and you can go you just be a nice person people some of nice, nice people i've ever met. There's super friendly, warm and Normal people. They just are obsessed with this one thing yeah you know and through that thing, it's like a vehicle for developing your human potential because it's so difficult. And when you do a difficult thing that makes the rest of life a lot easier because there's no way whatever you're experiencing during the day is going to be as difficult as someone on your back trying to strangle the blood out of your brain, like literally trying to fuck IT choke the blood on your head. This, there's no way, there's no way life could be hard.

That's the thing, is the wildness. You have to have .

something to be a champion.

to be a champion or to be a good person. I think you have wildness.

which we've talked about throughout the whole thing.

Bring you back honestly, because I have to bring you back to the book. That's what the book is about. Yeah.

wildly right. But you eventually figured out away.

take out on you, yeah, but most people IT turns around and IT bite you in the eyes. So it's a sad ending.

But I think those sad endings are valuable lesson for the other people.

Example.

yeah, you learn from a lot of one of the reasons why I never did coke, as when I was in high school, my friends cousin became a coke, he was a coke dealer and became a cocoa, and him and his girlfriend were just to do coke and hide. They were just like they had an atic apartment. They were in this fucking an apartment just like the coke watching T.

V. And whether away lost all this weight look like a bit by of empire. Yeah and I member thinking, jez cry, stayed fuck away from .

coke to do that. What would be attractive about that? nothing.

I guess it's the when you've done IT, I haven't done IT. I guess it's the euphoria when you get that hit you, that feeling that that feeling of elevation, you know that feeling of like you know you just know fear and you very excited you want to start a business with people in. You got plan and we're going to fuck .

IT in the description of the eyes kind of get like in the craze and you got you ah it's bad for everybody else IT may be good for you for like fifteen minutes, but everybody else is miserable around.

Worst thing to me was when I would be high like some more weed and I feel like just chilled and silly and i'd run into a coke and like, oh no.

it's trying .

to talk to you like just get Better with like talk yes, it's a weird drug so we're a drug, but it's obviously very popular yeah .

and causes a lot of problems. No, no one. You smoke your body.

I'll smoke my cigar. Yeah I like scars. Cigars are conversational, are the tools for conversation.

relax. You like your brain up a little bit. Kitch will fired up.

Read this book when you can. I will seriously, I will like IT.

I know I like IT.

I like talking you. Yeah, it's a yeah, you laugh, you'll laugh. Not everybody will laugh. And I read the book, you will laugh how I think you understand absurdity.

How long to take .

you to put IT together? Two years? It's non lennar. IT goes all over the place. And all these years.

did you have when you SAT down? Did you have like a framework in mind and how you wanted to pursue IT?

No, no, no. Because i've written probably ninety journals in my life, ninety full journals, and I would go back and I started to put some of those together, and I go all that happened in eighty eight and that happened in seventy six. And that that kind of stands out as being a milestone moment, whatever.

And I start to write those down. They were really poorly written. And then that started to instigate one thing and another thing, and I kind of wrote itself. I think I was four hundred and fifty pages when I finished. And then I knocked IT down till, like, two forty.

What is that process? Like the editing process.

the good process. That's the harsh process i've ever gone through. But you become .

a Better writer. Do with an editor.

But I did IT with an editor. I didn't sell the book right away. No member, first of most memories, are not written by the people who they're about, which makes no sense to me because you're writing about yourself, but you're hiring somebody else to do, but you're taking the money.

I don't get IT. So I wrote IT. I wrote the entire book, then I sold IT. So I didn't sell IT based on a celebrity, sold IT based on the book because you could read the book and whether and some people hate IT IT, some people read IT and think I don't get IT two, while it's to whatever and well, everything is not for everybody exactly and .

that's okay yeah that's something .

that's more than a wild is I was in the middle, which I think you would like when I was in the middle doing the audible for the book. About halfway through, stumbling through the audible, I go, what the fuck did I do? I should burn any evidence that this work and what's ever even thought about.

And then I spiral for about a month. And I don't spiral. I just don't spiral about everything and anything. I just pretty cool with anything that comes along. And then people started reading the book, and then I got this valid response that was always vial IT was never like, I really like your book a lot. I thought I was well written and all .

that something .

that bug and and that's nice .

that made you know that I don't know yeah.

I don't know, but I do know that the responses are good.

Well, that's what important. Yeah, it's working. IT had a desired effect. You got out your thoughts, you got out your experiences.

But that editing, the editing process is a good process because you you refine and you clarify and .

you simplify, and fresh .

eyes and eyes ARM bar, you could just grab an ARM and then chart to bandit as much as you can, or you can fuck and figure out how to get in there every time. Did you did you always know .

that you're gonna do this? You're going to write this book?

No, i'd written two or three books and put them in the corner and a dark corner and let them accumulate dust. I never thought I would do IT publicly because I was always into that thing of like, or you're an actor and like IT over IT. Do you want to be a writer? You want to be a writer? You want to be a musician? Every actor wants to work.

Every actor be .

a rocket was like. And then this lady read this book, this little agent SHE said, I said at the third time, and he said, you need to fuck and stop saying, referencing yourself as an actor who's a writer, you're a fuck and writer and a really good writer, just right, and choose tough .

on me so you feel like you had like, almost like a disco layer, like an action, or yes, you're doing giving yourself.

I can escape. I did because something about that profession. Anyway, I always looked at, why? Why do I do this? This is dumb.

You and me and what? Like, where's the self importance come from? Like, what happened to the wagon that just went down? And like, people try to show.

doesn't the self importance just come from attention? We have extraordinary amounts of attention, and people develop self important because of that. I think they deserve that attention .

because is is a false thing yeah and then you start seeing people manifested like, excuse me, I said hot coffee. I didn't say warm coffee. I said, you know and you go I I don't understand the mentality for me, it's probably another attempt which I think i've manifested in a bunch of different ways of right sizing.

There's nothing like that will write size you like a fucking book, put you right back into why are you doing what you are doing? Where do you come from? How do you feel about your kids? Where's your sensitivity? Where's your where's that to become concrete that you need to break in order to feel again where you limiting yourself? And I don't like the the idea of limiting myself, like what I love.

Did I love drinking when I thought, yeah, I had so much fun? Ed sorted a lot of other people, but I go, this is now limiting. Well, don't you want to go out and take a drunk? I go fuck. Now when you are with a bunch of people having fun.

no, because i'm having fun, right? You don't need to drink to have fun. But there's a thing when you're drinking a lot and having fun, you think this .

is the right having fun. Yeah, it's a trap. That's the yeah.

that's the draft. Well, you know, you can have a drinker too and really enjoy yourself. Or you can think that the only reason why you're enjoying yourself is .

because you're have a drinker and usually you have more drinks because you this is the reason people are liking me right now. This is the reason people think i'm funny .

and keep chasing that.

Imagine if you went on stage, and every time you went instead, you had to have at least six drinks because you go, this is what they want and then you wake up in the morning and your kid goes and way you up.

you like.

yeah, no and you go, oh, that's not worth .

IT what's the fuck can do the name from nightly .

riter you i'm talking about .

a see that video the kids and vid yeah yeah so sad is fucking thing .

ever yeah didn't look .

like a good good but he's just having .

this kid filmed IT yeah that's what everybody .

is afraid of yeah becoming that pathetic example and and you wonder .

how much that exists and the video is not going that the daughter video of that right like I want you to see what this looks like and supposedly that kind of threw them in this surprise ty or whatever. I don't know he or not.

I don't know. I will hope is, if anything, the throw in this priority, your children filming you, and the lowest moment possible would do IT for you.

Yeah, I didn't want to be filmed, so I stopped early.

got off.

I didn't get filmed the last time. Yeah, I think yeah, was super lame. I was at what he called on a dell talk o and I tapped the cab in front of me accidentally when I was moving forward.

And he got out and I created a thing, and somebody filmed from the back of the cap, oh, wow. Yeah, and I looked stupid. You can't fuckyou.

You can fuck you drive you to drive like quiet. Do not be. No, don't speak. There's nothing .

worse than being sober and seeing something wrong. Oh, no.

I'm so because your perception of IT right now, this is an honorable moment. You're saying I did something that I didn't do, right, and we need to hash this out. The reality is this, you're just kind of gurgling bullshit.

Also you know how to like affect people with your words ah you know how to express yourself in a dramatic for on time mother fuckers， this, i'm going .

shakespeare on you you know my favorite .

movie years, no country for old man. why? Because it's so fucked up.

a fucked .

up moving. It's even the end, the end when the end. You like what happened? Just the end.

Yeah, it's like, that guy, what's the name? Holier, got damn. That guy was a .

good cycle.

Go down. That movie was so IT was just so unusual and intense.

Then there was no feeling that people asked this all the time. There was no feeling that I was a special movie. Yeah, I told I went back to marphisa's as for the first time in eighteen years with stable ton.

And the guy running the bank is the first guy that hobby er kills in the movie. This is the guy running the bank right now. Chip, right? And I talked to chip, I have a picture of my chip.

And I talked to chip and I said, I said about you the first guy, you know, what did you think that? And he said, now, that was a friend of a friend who said that they were additionally people in the reason I did IT is because I figured nobody would ever see IT. IT seemed like a small no, that's the propriety. It's the first guy that, however, killed outside. That was a good scene of the time.

That was a like a person .

or the sweetest human being, all of my best friends. crazy. Yeah.

that's inside of him that .

he can well think what makes him yes, because he's one of these guys that literally he was so depressed during that thing really oh my god IT because .

he didn't like doing IT.

That's like, look at my hair, but me.

that's depressive.

Look at him.

Look at him. Oh my god. He played him in his genius, said, good psychopath.

He wore S, P, F, hundred. He had an umbrella all the time to keep the sun off him. The C.

O, pale look, yeah, but yeah, that's the guy, the guy to the left. That's chip. Can you stand there for a second.

please? So he was really depressed because of his hair.

yeah. And me and woody would take him out. We would take out to the cow grow, I called cogers l cafe, and and we would have drinks with them.

We would make him because he would stay in his apartment with IT, like the trap's drawn and all this kind of ship. He just didn't want to go out. He said, I don't like, I don't like violence.

I don't drive. I don't know why they hired me. Fox, they hired me like.

why am I here? How they pull that out?

And i'm from spain. Like, this guy is not from spain. I remember when we worked, we've SAT in a trailer, and he said in that that propriety scene, he has his great line, because call IT IT takes the coin and goes like that.

He has call IT, and the guys is going to want to call IT. He says, you have to call IT destiny, call in free and IT we were in his trailer. How is how do you say that? I said, call IT how your keep in call IT and I said, no did .

caught. Can you .

hear IT for you the most you ever lost my coin us. I don't know, I can say. Call IT.

Call IT for what? Just call IT. Well, we need to know what we're calling IT for here.

You need to call IT IT. I can't call IT for you. You wouldn't be fair.

I didn't put in order now. Yes, you did. You've been putting IT up your whole life.

You just didn't know IT. You know what day is on this one? No, one thousand nine hundred and fifty eight.

It's been traveling twenty two years to get here and now it's here and they see their heads or tails and you have to say, call IT. Look, I need to know what I stay underway. Everything as that, you tend to win everything, call IT. All right here.

Well done. Don't put in your body, sir. Don't put in your body into you like water where you want me to put you anywhere, not in your pocket. What the mixing with the others and become injustice. Which IT is?

I mean, if you look at that from a different perspective, you say that seem could have been the worst scene ever. It's because of the simplicity of the scene.

It's just consequences.

The boom in the air just heads.

You know that this guy has some sort of weird morals yeah he's got some code that he lives by and he's about to impose this code on this guy and has no problem. Put that boat through his brain.

no problem and the guy knows that and he doesn't even .

know what he knows. It's just no yeah and you .

sit there and you it's a great sea man.

How did you not know that movie was great while .

you were doing IT? The colon brothers .

are fuck and amazing.

They are amazing. You were just haven't they had done two movies that were sort of bigger than what they Normally do. One was with clones, and one was with tom hanks.

And IT didn't work, brother or out? No, the fuck. And my brother was amazing.

Yeah, amazing. They was lady killers. And what was the one with currently? No, lady go. yeah. But yes, so I think that they just went back to the simple like burnett, no burn after reading was after no country, which was also really good, super good. But yeah, they just kind of went back to this very kind of feral, you know, base place and just said, let's just tell this simple story and let's let IT maybe I don't know.

I don't think they're .

like this, but maybe I just didn't have I didn't have that way. That was so simple. What sample? I saw IT with my kid, which was probably super irresponsible and he was like, on on the the cost, but I thought with him in an editing room on a big screen, and we left and we got in the car and we didn't talk for fifteen minutes.

And that's never happened. Wow, like, literally not one word. And then I said, what do you think? And I guess, fuck.

The great that's that movie, that is that movie.

that movies, you know you want to tie together two in the end and like a typical hollywood ending and hobby air and my character go head ahead at the end and and that doesn't happen. So you do something, which is how I was written in the book, cormac. And I got to know cormac really well.

You know.

I was with cormac then I, before he died, no dating well, and asked some of the great test riding american writing ever yeah, in the .

history country his writing, Christ.

that's another one. Those guys artist where you think I but I wants to talk about IT ever. And then finally got mad at me one day.

I was, I like, I hadn't fucked in. No, man, I just had down to the typewriter. And IT comes like, what do you want me to tell you? Ww, the car had.

what can?

Eighty seven years old.

the relax. But he could write.

I mean, he had some. He was tapped into then talk about a guy who, just like you were like the muse. And do you have a special place? And do you have this thing that, no.

just sits down and right?

The bed that he was on IT was me, his x wife, his son and corner that last night. wow. Always at the edge of his bed was that type rider that he used for twenty five, thirty years to write all those novels.

Then he had won before that. That was exactly the same. But that type rider was on the old pizza word at the foot of his bad wow. And even at the end he would .

just scrap that thing .

and get IT out. It's cool.

Yeah, there's rare humans like that that have that thing. Yeah yeah.

just tap and they just tap in you IT and .

they just keep going on. They get on that path and they just keep going and just keeps getting Better. Please get Better at IT.

We've talked about a series of very special people. You know, what makes the what's the difference of what makes somebody that special, that iconic? Are they crazy? Definitely .

different. They're different. yeah. I mean, it's a resistance to the norm. It's it's acceptance of reality. It's a poetic understanding of our place in the universe is so many different things that are all sort of coal lessing into this.

but they they see through a different lens though they're just made a made up of a different .

let's try why talk about he didn't want fuck IT up.

he to ck IT up. I want to lessen IT he didn't want to what's the word make a make a pedestrian? Yes.

yes, he didn't want to try. You sometimes magic is just magic. You don't want to to figure out what's how it's happening. Just know that you can do IT and just keep doing that. You just be a craft's man. Be a person is like dedicates to this thing ah you know, he has to know he had to know was really good. I mean, enough people told him that was really good.

Yeah, if you have even a guy like that who wrote the first up and tell all the pretty horses none of his books sold.

that's pretty crazy.

Like a thousand people bought IT, fifteen hundred people bought IT. And then I was made into a movie. And then, and then you go back and you like all these ban books that we know back in the day one thousand nine hundred eighty four, George orwell know Henry Miller, all these fucking people, you know, people like you. And then have an van, go painting a painting and all those paintings outside getting rained on. And now we're selling one hundred million dollars yeah.

after his dead.

all after he's dead. Yeah, he never knew he sold one painting in his lifetime. So he never got to not even a little bit experience what .

look at what you did, right? wow. And well, maybe that's why they're so good.

because they have to .

do IT anyway.

whether people paid attention or not. They were, and they gave themselves to IT. yeah. Thousand percent is an artist.

artist, a real artist? yeah. yeah. Thanks to you. Thank you. There's a lot of fun. Really .

appreciate that.

I really appreciate.

I want to a read book immediately. I would like you to. I would do you guy .

would really get on IT, right? Thank you very much.