#2230 - Evan Hafer
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The joe rogan experience.

Brother, can see you.

see you. So this conversation was.

well, anytime you might come on, always have to talk to you. But this conversation was birth out of that crazy conversation. We had an l counting down, which, well, yeah, we had that. We had a quite a few of them or you just the evil open my mass is somebody. First of all, I never understood the extent of the man fucker y in afghanistan. Oh, when we are talking member, we are hanging out from the trucks and you're talking me about mumbles yeah, there's a few conversations and that with friends that for the rest of my life now things are different like now and I like that one conversation, that one hour conversation we had like, okay, the worlds different now I.

you know, I always assume people have heard these stories for a .

year and you to .

drink that cheers, sorry, you to cheer .

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buffer um so yeah, it's the amount of man on man. Burberry in afghanistan is significant.

Did they warn you about that before you went over them?

Now, no, I think there are so many different things about both iraq and afghanistan. The learning curve for all of us was so high culturally. You don't think about a lot of those things.

You just don't you just you grow up in america, right? You assume everybody, every man is basically like an american mail because that's at twenty six or twenty seven years old. You know that there are cultural differences for sure. But i'm telling you, I was in kuwait for like the first time early on. And the quotes like to hold hands, like the dudes like to hold hands, and that's not comfortable like for .

is there guys isn't that weird though because we do shake .

and yeah we don't walk around holding another man's hand. It's just not comfortable in any scenario.

But trying to explain that to someone who didn't understand like what makes you gay? Like a what point in time does like holding onto a hand does IT you know, like is like a meter. Like you kind of like hold onto a habit to second burn your hand. After a certain point.

you walked around holding another man's hand. And you've never really done IT probably since you were a kid maybe holding your dad's hand when you like three or four years old. And in special forces, they tell you, you know you have to work with the cultural differences.

They're just talking in general. They're not specific because they don't know where you're going and you're going to have to work by within through the host and indigenous force. So you have to accept some of the things that the cultural differences and just go with the flow, right? So as a new Green berry, you know, as sf guys, you're just walk around holding the other man's hand.

You're so free dought about, you're like men. H mean like the fact. Does this mean like you you're going reality. And then after a few years in time, in repetition and war, whatever somebody goes to hold your hand, you like get the fuck away from me.

So gave up after.

oh yeah, there's a lot of things you give up, right? You you're taught nsf, drink the tea, eat the food.

No, yeah, do everything that they do yeah, just completely assembly honestly, like a lot of that is really good because he does to you to be a lot more open as far as listings to what they are going through from their travel plates, like what are they going through from a combat experience, what they need and you and you want to build report, that's what you want to do. And but wrap after wrap in a war zone, you kind of get fatigue with thought. Then you're like, galaxies get to the dirt here, man.

And why do we want to kill us? Let's get to that and got IT. You don't like that tribe.

We don't like that tribe. We don't like this. You don't like that cool. Okay, so i'm not to eat with you because every time I eat with you, I can't shit for like a Normal shit for like a year. So we're just gonna not do any of that.

And you tell me I didn't shit anything but diary for who said more?

Yeah, he was years. man. I was because I was living and working with the afghan, and I I wanted from iraq. I did the invasion with special forces from the south. And I did multiple rotations in iraq, both with us after and with the the agency when I was over there.

And then when we did the, when we shut down iraq in two thousand nine, I turned around a basically went afghanistan two thousand nine, so I went from iraq to afghanistan and I went from afghanistan and finished up my my c combat, I guess, experience, and then went back to the states to do a training thing. But by the time I got to afghanistan, I had lots of time in iraq. I I D like four years on the ground, and afghanistan was very different.

But I was living in in working with the afghanistan, was eating with them. And your job is to not only train assistant advice, build a poor, we are trying to figure out, so you need to, beyond the ground, with living, eating, breathing, sleeping like whole thing. And there are what we call the childhre facilities aren't the quanti st.

You're trying like you're working with them. You know you institute different things like so open water is like a good thing and IT doesn't really matter. You're so gonna sick based on, you know the water wears is coming from where what type of well source like there.

There's lots of different variables, obviously. But do I didn't have a solid shit for two years and I was just kind of got Normalized to the point where you such a growing to think about, man, you could not trust a far ever. I got this great. I got this great story. So I came in off the gun trucks and i'm tired. I'd, like, went into the embassy and I had a meeting with somebody in kao, no, I had this like titanium mug that was like the size of a toilful and i'm filling up with coffee and I haven't slept for Better, would say, twenty hours at the time and i'm fucking dirty and I phone up this this uh, coffee toilet ball basic weeks.

I'm get ready to go into a briefing and I let out a farm and IT wasn't a fart and the due behind me was like, I didn't even turn around, dude, I knew there was somebody waiting for me and I shit my hands and I didn't turn around, didn't blink an I don't even like wiped up the handle because this is Normalized and he was, you shut your pants was like, yeah, I just turned around, walked off is like IT was the deputy ambassador something like bassam, right? I was like, whatever I to do yeah, yeah that's that's to the point of which I had a permanent stain and like my combat, my fatigues, right? That's just so bad. But I like, you know, man, you get sure to do .

like people apt.

You don't you don't sweat little things like that in honestly, you're just trying to lake get through your you trying to get through any and all things. And it's not like we are in trench warfare anything like that. It's just like do the heads should to do add people to train.

We are going out and I couldn't let that like you can't pull over if here you can at times if there are just times where you just you just can't. So you just got to keep moving and that socks, it's like the less glamour aside, I don't know. There's a lot of lot of books out there tell me all the cool stories about that.

So when did you find out about the buggy? Um was that something that you need?

Like, yeah, that was. So I started in kuwait and I had a had a uh arabic linguis and he was a Younger kid. You know, he was bad, terrible lives, a warm kid.

And he literally joined the army at eighteen. You know, two years later, after going to the defensive language institute monitoring california. You come out, you're speaking arabic, basically.

And Young kid, blond hair, blue eyes, good morning. And kid comes out and he's with us. And the coates kept talking about how they want to take him camping. And like, why do you want to take that dude camping? What's so especially about that guy?

You know you like, after a while you realized, like that's not what they wanted to do, right? They're like talking about IT like either a joking way or a serious way. But that's the first exposure. Yeah yeah.

And then did you take a while to figure that out?

Yeah yeah because you're so naive. Like I am like twenty six years old like I don't fuck no, I don't. I don't think this is a thing. I grow an idea I know yet exist but i'm so you blissfully like moving through the world, like thinking everybody's in american mail right right now. This is weird and then no good iraq or I you know what, iraq and multiple, multiple rotations over there and you start to assist late with you the iraqi rather working with through your training weth and the kind of starts to to to fall apart where it's like, oh, this is someone like Normal for them now they don't talk about IT. Now i'm saying it's like everyone by the way, i'm saying like it's it's at least relevant enough culturally where is somewhat Normalized, not talked about .

is similar coates as afghan's an or do they vary? Iraq is different? Yeah they're all .

a little bit different the afghanis we had to have um depending on where we were in their barricks living situation like you had to put really hard restrictions like you know no but fucked. And guys for the majority of this because this is a health issue, we weren't like this sounds like we were we were putting bibles on their badge or just say, hey, this is really unhealthy. You guys, we're going to spread a bunch of different diseases to one another like we've got a mission to to accomplish here in every sf guy, every guy is like bin afghanistan knows what man love. Thursday is and it's it's kind of a thing that they do.

Is IT just thursday or is IT it's just the thing is, yes, but it's just the .

fucking each other.

Yeah so does the kid with the blue eyes and after while you like, hey, they don't really want to camp with them to trying to fuck this guy and then started thinking like how much this is going .

on exactly right? Yeah and and then you're as you're exposed to not more of IT because you don't really see IT, you hear about IT. So as you build your poor build confidence in your friendships and people start to talk about but IT is fairly pervasive and it's it's one of the things that you just kind of accept that, that's happening from a good a good portion of the guys.

fifty percent, sixty percent.

Well, we talked about I kind of rewinding. It's it's the more disturbing factors is it's it's socially inactive ated in the children like the sexual exploitation of children. So IT starts early and then IT moves into the adult hood. Butter boz is a real thing and you know it's dressing boys to look like girls and they have some afghani is when I say sam, I don't know how permissive is is, but it's very it's it's a big percent and the adult mae stuff that's like one sub segment of their culture, but it's the a sexual exploitation of children. When you find that out, that's when things really turn for you psychologically, you're like this places really fucked and it's and it's very pervasive.

It's very it's you know, if you go back and you read the kite runner, I read the kite runner when I was seen afghanistan, I realized that, you know, it's not only the story about this kid, it's also the story of afghanistan. It's very, very the stories run parallel because children are sexually exploited regularly and its mainly the boys from what I understand to the point of which I was driving out out on this up I guess, are from cobo to jawad. And I first got to affghanistan.

I used to see these truck drivers, and I thought, you know, my data was, a truck driver is really cool. These truck drivers take their sons out with them on the road. That's such a really cool cultural thing and my interpreter turned me is like, aren't their kids, dude? That's how fuck and horrible is it's so horrible .

that they're on display, they're on parade and you're say the guys would parade around .

their hero canada. Different areas though though, have parades in their own displays to the this is my hero and are proud of IT. And that was one of the most disturbing things that we would talk about specifically between like the departments between department of state, CIA and military.

Like when you're out with the guys from A A tactical and combat role, you see them, you interact with the way they are from a tactic level every day, and you'd bring this stop to management and they say all that doesn't what do you mean that doesn't happen? That doesn't happen. Or he pretend IT doesn't happen. But if you were on the ground in afghanistan during the times I was there, honestly, from, you know, two thousand, one will say to the time that we pulled out, everybody uniformally would agree with what i'm saying. If, if you spend some time in afghanistan.

you knew that was happening. Did you see these parades?

No, no, we. But national geographic, I believed, did an arc on IT several years ago. Botcher bossy, I I could be getting the principle a little bit off, but IT turns for you emotionally and psychologically because you like, okay, now, now gets made right, right?

Yeah, make makes your job a little bit easier, right? Yeah, makes you double will be easier. IT also makes IT harder for you not to want to change the entire government system where you you want to completely, you know, rewrite the entire DNA of the cultural infrastructure, right? Uh, because it's sad and it's IT, it's evil and it's all of these like really horrible things so as much as you want to help the afghans and play, yeah.

there you go inside the lives of girls dresses, boys in afghanistan and the cultural practice of butcha sh tcha posh that I think .

it's a flip that's the reverse.

Encourage his parents, stress their daughters as sons for a Better future, but often IT only makes life harder.

That's a different. So it's boys is no.

that's the open opposite. Girls dresses boys. So this is a different thing. Why do they do that? What's that about girls just as boys?

Well, I think because one there, there's a very low education .

rate and come back to women .

are are really seen as in afghanistan, i'm i'm generalizing, right? I'm taking really big swash of the afghan culture. So I know this is asm every afghan. I've got lots of different afghan friends and i've hired a lot of africans. This isn't everybody.

This is the ancon. This is in the go back up again, show what's going on. These guys are throwing money.

And this dancing boy, back that up. Jammy, I just click some random kind of you back. What the fuck? man?

yes. So those are like little boys.

They were dancing like trippers. And these guys are throwing in dollars at them. Guess.

yes.

oh my god, is so crazy.

And they are Younger, so they go much Younger. This is that, like, this is the thing that people didn't want to talk about in afghanistan that we talked about regularly, which was these are very what we feel distinctly wrong. He's a very wrong things from american support, tactical and strategic intervention, like, we should not encourage this whatsoever. And I made IT very difficult at times for us to trust with the state department, or somebody else was saying, but I mean, this this goes back to, you know, iraq and honestly, trust in policymakers in the state department and their their entire you know position, either politically philosophy is is just fundamentally.

So when you're hearing about this and one of the things about um child molesting is that if these kids are growing up in this culture where they're going to be an adult, you're going to do that to kids as well, which is probably happened all these guys right like this is you're not going to fix that with all these people alive like the culture gets to a point where it's so fucked that it's like how do you how can you ever fix that? How many generations would IT take before the scars of all those people being abused? Where's off? And Normal alias is, and people can be Normal again, people can be like what we will consider a western and the civilization, like lon dinner, right? Or new york.

just how that the what we feel is the morally appropriate cultural boundaries. But that's that's like how many generations would have take.

And there is lots of different things that you can talk about because the history of afghanistan is, you will say, post eighties in soviet intervention, and then you, with the taliban, pushed back to the mujahadeen and like they completely destroyed the education, the progress and evolution of afghans stan, I mean they had decades of war. Then you had basically um a failed state with taliban and extremist control. I mean as a taliban moved in a fundamental, it's an evil organization. Uh, I went.

There's a soccer field in kabul where the taliban used to stone women to death because they weren't wearing their huge hob or the the rule of a woman would be raped and SHE would be accused of infidelity on her husband and they would donor or they would beat with a stick and they turned the soccer field into a place where they could have public displays for execution IT IT was completely insane when you when you think about IT from where we're coming from and then where we're going. And yes, we're trying to nation build, which i've one mental disagreement ah with that as well, but you you eliminated the educated portion of your population, you swang to a very extremist fear based religion. And then that was all a based on a cron as for as their education system.

So they completely separated the women away from being able to evolve. They treated them as be a burden. You had to be an islamic extremists to be acceptable.

IT was completely H A uh hedge's ic. The erratic ico state or hedgehog y is far as like it's the theocracy, ran everything and was a very extremist version of islam. And as we came in, and I was in thirty two thousand, one, I came there much later came there in two thousand. Nine was my first real rotation there IT IT. IT had been seven years, but really IT was almost like going back in time, almost a thousand IT fet, like you're going back in time like thousand years.

That's one of the things we were talking about that when you hear about of security and all these ancient cultures, the spartans, all these people that like had boys.

yes.

And you, you, you see what's going on afghanistan. You realize like how old a culture afghans is. It's like one of the old civilizations in terms of like the way they behave and sometimes like they never caught up with the western world. I think IT was um Michael summer might have wrote a book, a paper about this he wrote an article about how islams the only religion that didn't go through the enlightenment and that is essentially maintains the same values and you know the same cultural values as when I was created so you know what how old is islam?

A sixteen hundred I think I think it's like five hundred years past Christianity. So this scope.

fifteen hundred years, fifty hundred years old, whatever is that's how people behave back then. That's what IT is. And when you think about like Alexander the great, Alexander gray, who is gay, who conquered mulch of afghanistan and giant swatch of the world, he probably like his army and his behavior and what he probably stained that area would like a type of behavior.

I I think you're one hundred percent right. I think that you had um portions of the world were culturally cut off from being able to evolve at the same rate as some of the other places within the midday east. And those tribes essentially haven't had the opportunity to evolve because they have been very isolated.

I mean, look at afghanistan treatment isolated over the world. And if you go back to seventies, that was relatively progressive, somewhat circular. And then the soviet intervention, the collapse, the failed state, LED to the rise, the taliban, because they are delicate, all of the the intellectual in the economic class.

And in order to succeed or live there, you had to completely capital late to the theocracy in the fashion state. So you had to go back in time to live. You had grow beard.

Anyone say this is that everybody y's one hundred percent? No, i'm saying like this is the way people live. They lived under terran's rules that provided zero opportunity for, you know, if you had girls, sorry, they're be a burden.

They treat goats and donkeys Better than their girls. They are children. The homelessness of children in a war zone is so heartbreaking. Like IT is IT IT strips away at the goodness in your soul watching desperation.

And uh, when you see homeless children every day in these cities that are dirty, starving, and there's really not a lot you can do because you know, you have a word, you have a word fight. And you not only think about IT from a homelessness position, you think about the excitation position like these kids are so fuck, they are homeless. They don't have parents because maybe their father's worried, no, killed the war.

Their mothers can they? They can't afford to keep them. And they continue to have more kids. And especially if they've been raped, then there's a cycle of not only explanation and violence but then it's also uh IT keeps them down economically. You have a massive amounts of children that were homeless and exploded and they're starving.

And its you you from my perspective, when you live in that environment and you can think about IT, you have to shut that stuff out. Because if you think about IT, it's like opening the door, the submarine, all the water coming in is gonna ck. And think yet. So you have to you have to build a for a lack of Better term, and you have to build a cows on your soul because you can't function and meet and exceed mission success criteria. Ia, if you're going to, if if if you get steam rolled by depression on what you're seeing everyday.

oh my god, time in repetition.

which is one of the big problems, I think, with the G Y. Community, at least what we've had in the last twenty years. And then there's lots of different compounding factors that as they contribute to the acceleration of veteran suicide, which I I, I don't want like launching to some rant about the issues that where I think we're were all faced, but it's is definitely something them extremely passionate about. Yeah.

i'm really hoping we've talked about this bunch times in this podcast what i'm really hoping that something gona change with R F K in about psychology and veterans. I really, really am hoping that they open the eyes. This stuff.

what I was talking to, Marcus coupon, and he runs vat, which he's the guy, his organization is the organization that takes the guys to mexico to do. I begin. And mark is a retired seal, a socking in him yesterday, actually.

And we I will go off on this, which is, we is a subculture from the global war on tar community. The veterans were under an epidemic of suicide and depression, and the va. Has not been to help to us.

I, especially the war fighters, like the guys that are we have lodged up time and time and time again. We've gone overseas. We ve done the bidding for the country.

We've wash her friends, get killed in fucking torn half in with very ultraViolet ways. We've been exposed to over pressure and chemicals and all these other things. Then we come back and within the V A system, their answer is here's your pills.

Here's your retirement. Shut the fuck up and it's not working. You know, markets.

And I were talking about this yesterday. He was on entire presence for seven years, seven years, like entire present. They weren't working.

And he, despite chance, his wife and believe so this might work. We needed to go to, we need to go to mexico into ib game. This might work. So here's a guy that when did one time? He's never been an entire to present sense.

Do you have to get often before you went there?

And I don't know exactly what the protocol is as far as like you have to get off and then you have to get back down there. I know the most of my friend group now you've you've done IT and they have an extremely high success rate, a you know that has done thousand former war fighters and they have extremely high access rate where they're eliminating pharmaceuticals. So go down and do a one time.

Maybe they've done you know subsequent sessions and they have this really high success rate. And this is Better than yes, this is a part of the issue is we're under an epidemic of veteran suicide like more so than we ever have in the worst thing about this too is it's also affecting our family or kids. Like our kids are four times higher to commit suicide than our peer set.

So it's not just it's not just the G. Y. Veteran community. Now it's our families in our in our children.

You have something that has such a proven track record to help heal that. And we can't do IT without breaking the law. We have to leave the country. It's insane.

So you can send me to iraq under false pretenses, and you can have wolfowitz and chi and runs filled in all these these like orchestra fucking idiots can send us all to iraq with for weapons, mass destruction. We can go fight the wars, come back. And now we have to break the law to go fix what's wrong there.

Our heads or our emotions are not only our psychology, but good. We're broken. And like, we've been beat up and kind of shoved in a closet and then we're sedated and told you to shut the fuck up.

And meanwhile, wolfowitz and grammar and all these other guys are, they get to walk around and provide, you know, public speeches about how fucked and great they are because they strategically important. Where is my peer set? We're under an epidemic of suicide or kids are committing suicide. The the VS no help to us and we have to go break a lot is that you get go full fuck and coin and paints and paintings, you think that everything's okay and .

that one doesn't make any sense out of all the ones that one mushrooms you can do recreationally. No one's do. And recreational eye, again, i've never done that before.

Have you done? IT, no, i've never done. But everybody that i've talked to.

They said, IT is one of the most like, ruthlessly introspective journeys in your life. You don't. It's not fun at all.

The code mir told me like, I fuck and hate IT. I couldn't believe someone maybe do IT after that was over was like, what the fuck am I doing? It's not a fun time.

It's not a recreational drug. It's not a drug of addiction. It's not a drug of dying.

It's not what's the let's find out what the L D. Fifty radius for. I begin.

It's probably banana. It's probably just like suicide and probably can't really over those on. I don't know that. I know. I think that sounds really crazy.

Most of my my close friends of doni, the I waster, I begin, neither of which they would say is a good time. All of which have said all of which one hundred percent. And they've come back and then not only fundamentally changed, but Better. And these are my business partner, Jerry Taylor, is going on. I began and in the multiple aller people that probably don't want me to talk about the on the podcast guys that have been on fifteen, twenty different pharmaceutical can literally scrape them off the dresser into a garbage candidate, they get back craze.

And the fact that we aren't trying to evolve this section of the medicine I know that stanford to study, i'm not exactly familiar with all the data associated with IT, but the fact that we aren't leading the charge as a country to come up with dynamic out of the box solutions for the guys that have gone overseas and you know, done that the hard and courageous task with this country. And then they come back and they can get help. And we're not pushing the envelope.

That's a crime. I mean, i've got lots I got lots of issues with you know, iraq this point, right? I mean, it's fundamentally, and i've told this to people like iraq is with me everyday, right?

Afghanistan was a part of my life, but iraq fundamentally changed me for us of my life. And I think about IT every day. It's not going away and you'll never go away. And what .

about iraq? That was much different than afghani.

And the change you, what's the first war experience I had and you know, for me I was like hook, line and sinker. Regime change move. We've got to to find weapons, mass destruction. We've got to eliminate the threat. We've got to fight them there.

So we don't have to fight them here.

Yeah, I mean, there is nobody more motivated go to war than than me. Ah I mean, i'm sure there .

was but you know what.

i'm a one hundred percent. It's not only, hey, we're going to go to work. We're going to do something good for america. These guys attacked the united states. We're going to eliminate the terror threat.

And war is, is, is, is such a strange in several circumstance, because IT changes you for good, that changes you for the bad. And i've looked at this a lot, and I looked at like life experience, like A A, A radio way, almost like a band where you have hides, you have laws. And most people, he will call ninety pass percent of united states.

Their frequency only gets so high and only gets so low. And IT basically stays within, will say, A A fairly small band within the center combat what happens as you go really high and you go really low. And IT forces you outside of social norms on a second to second basis.

And then you do that over and over and over again. And so one person I get in a car rock in their life and that goes really low. So it's a really high drilling dump and IT was really low because of an injury.

That's a one thing. Well, going out in a combat zone multiple night, like now of multiple nights a week, sometimes you're doing multiple targets at night. You might go, you might be getting in the rough equivalent IT in general, and car rack, the rough equivalent of a car act from an a journal and dump in a high and low.

You might doing that three or four times at night, and then you're doing that night after night, week after week. And IT fundamental changes you because you have to chop all of this down, because if you get to ramped up in two chaotic, you're gona lose control. And you want to be able to complete your mission criteria.

If you get too low, you also won't able to achieve emission critter, your survival instincts kick down. So IT your ability to feel all the way down to a Normal person's ban with because it's a survival mechanism. This is just my own assessment.

so. From a combat experience perspective, the first time you feel IT and i'll tell you I am the first time I was I in an ambush, I was losing my shit. I mean, anybody tells you they're not fuck and scared.

They are either like fundamentally flawed, they are like travel's peastraw ny does not have like a fear portion of his brain, or they're just lying like you're scared at your fuck in mind, like going on north, like driving north and to iraq. Yes, you're looking into the deep, dark base of the unknown. And like what the flux am.

I gonna a coward, you know, i'm gonna live. And am I gona die? I mean, our casualty projective casualty rates, who said we are going to lose most of our O. D. You're stepping into a situation where you're going, okay. Well, I know out of the six shooter that i'm going to play russian with, there are four bullets in this and your driving north on, okay, let's fuck and do IT.

So you've already capitulated and giving yourself up to die, which is it's actually a very cathartic and I think personally, an experiences you can evoke from, because at that point, if you're dead, you can live uninhibited, like everything I do from this point forward. This is gravy on on the stake. Maniere ity dead.

I was driving north in in iraq, and I like through like the desert, and my best friend and I are like driving in north and and you have like hours to stare off into the fuck and sand year. You've got night vision, goggle s or whatever. I had a whole fictionalized funeral for myself, so I just stuck in.

What else am I going to do right here? Just like drive in north, you know, and there's nothing going on. So I to hold specialized unal, I buried myself, and so I already dead, or at least I felt like that.

And then we get her first engagement and the world starts cracking apart. And your mind can't keep up to what what's actually happening. You you'll hear the gunfire.

And you know, I felt I felt the explosion and I looked in the river murr, the hub e which is sounds crazy, worked on the remember and um I saw this like car sized chunk of fire flying behind the vehicle like so distinctly remember this and on turning my my my team leader, fuck here. You don't like losing IT, right? So it's stupid.

So stupid i'm going to get the fuck out here. You don't like losing that doesn't like lose and and he's like and he's cool and he's like calm calls on the radio know is like vehicle one vehicle vehicle veo vehicle and we're checking to see. If we have comes between us and the other vehicles and i'm fucked and losing them, fuck out.

You know like okay, because I mean, you you used to watching movies or whatever, is the first time anything like this has ever happened, right? Yeah and at this point, you know, the full insurgents he hasn't kicked off that we are hunting fatty in. These guys worked the most of hisken's ATS in the planet.

They weren't that good. So but we end up pushing through and then consolidating at the end of this and fundamentally, this this change. My tackle experiencing combat forever, because my team later, who I respect in love, is killed two years later, is one of my best friends. What's my best friend? He turns to me and he goes, hi man, if you don't have a solution to the problem, just shut the fuck up.

That's great advice. I know it's a great advice across the board.

Yeah and I as like, okay rage that you know was like okay fucking and rage that man and then I became. A practice discipline when shit gone super sideways in your ballot when bullet line. I I I hate soundings like I I don't want to I don't want to sound like that um .

but that's what IT is do you .

you keep your shit together and then I became by the time I my my last ambition iraqi was in was my I saw a book in this experience with an yeah, I was in module and I was in will, B, M, W, trying to work my way. And I was working basic, low, like you trying to fly under the radar, your low vez C I A at this point. So we trying to plan down, we get hit a checked, and they lie us.

And so now i'm a one in a car with another guy in the C I achieve. And the entire iraqi army and muzle iraq is essentially pursuing us through the from muzle as the size of losing Angeles. And I started the north end of losing Angeles basically and had worked my way to the southern end of los Angeles being shot at.

And and i'm trying to sort through the problem and like I got a flock and map sheet and you don't know and this is this is mad max and the fucking and thunder dome. Muz was one of the most fucked up cities in iraq like IT was. IT would like going back to stolen grad in different sections of this place that was a complete should show.

Yeah i'm alone with my group, you know the guys with and and i'm trying to navigate through the city and hope to driver we we're being pursued from from literally north to south yeah being shot at we're going, okay, right turn, turn, right turn and am I have the I have like the dragons are at the bumper. They're going to fuck. They are going to pull me out of this car and tell my fucking and had off.

They're going to turn my car to swiss cheese. They are going to fuck and chop my head. And dad were dead and I have like, I brought up ki was the station and we really good, really good relationship with these guys.

Hey, you know you this is me and black B W. Like and ah you know moving you are from north to south and and how can I came back? Oh, I know who you are.

You ve got everybody follow you because we not all checkpoints are created equal and for whatever reason they decided they are going to cool that day. Ah me, you don't have time. You can sit on bug.

Why do guys anna kill us were just good guys. You know, you just going to keep moving and I to work my way all the way south. To a bridge and I had like one last one last buckin.

Hillery, man, like we had to get a cross. We had to get to cross the bridge into place called dime back. And I didn't have A Q R F, because they couldn't pn us down. A quick reaction force like the sky was like they they saved our life because they had, they had the roads blocked off on the bridge. And I was basically smoking in like a hundred fuck in kilometers an hour.

And the key was came down and like, literally dropped their fucking and skids in the front of the on the on the front of the car and pained around like, we're going to kill all you fuckers wow. And I looked over one of the guys. I looked over and like, flipped and IT was like, you dead, you know and then like like parting the seas, like moses or whatever, they have moved the fucking in cars.

We drawl back. And was that so book ending my point. That conversation was, I was losing my shit the first one, right? And I came back and I was talking, the guy was there like, well, we didn't know how bad this was because this sounds like you were order in a pizza that everything, everything in between was like, I wrap after rap, after rap, after rap was like, like, calm down.

Keep your shit together. And one of my really close friends guy, jeff kirk m, my first team's argent, like awesome fucking guy with one of most tactically relevant people in my life, is like psychology is marinated gist than the flu. So when you start losing your shit or IT, in fact, everybody all .

around you t psychology is more infections ious than the flu. That is a great quote.

Yeah.

that's so real, so real. That's so real. That's so real with everything.

everything, everything. He controlled every peace of what I would do from that point forward, like lose your ship in a gunfight and then you infect everybody else around you. Yes, rise the occasion, be the calm in the chaos, become, know, even if you don't feel like IT, even if you're you're awake and out, man, like internally, you can, you can barely keep your shit together. But what you do is you're like, okay, but I got A I gotta project this, because if I infect everybody else with my chaos, i'm injecting more chaos into the equation. And we are all going to run the possibility of dying because of this, because of my actions.

But I think that's why people gravitate towards inspirational figures is because they're trying to get some of that psychology. They're trying to get IT warn off on them. You know, great quotes and great feats and fascinating people.

You want to absorb some of that psychology that is such a great, great quote because it's so true. If you're around someone that's freaking out, you're trying to keep your shit together. It's so hard to keep your shit together.

You can if you're around a bunch of dudes.

just take .

surgeons and stoic yeah and they there's no flex. What I would say is like in the time of repetition in the community, I mean, there's a default in motion that is acceptable. It's you know anchor, right? So anger. And when I say joy, it's a joy from gallows humor typically, right? But it's like you have to everybody becomes .

the stock.

nothing can face you. And if you are a guy that is phased liability, you're going to hit chopped .

you you're in fact .

that yeah exactly. Who so iraq so going back to me with iraq. Super charged. And my reality started kind of crumble, is we meet, we went up.

We were on the first day we did this, join up with the CIA to go meet the sky. Total daughter. This is early, honest, like march of the war. And mittal soda became a prominent figure later on in the in the war he was relatively well, like not not known at all, beginning of IT. And I was working with the C I.

A case officer at that point, not just me was like my entire team emitters like he's he's a bad guy like he's just a real pizza shit and at that point in on the job with this town, yeah, we went out to a meeting with them and we came back and all of us on the military paramilitary side, like this guide needs to die, like we need to actually go. And he is a smaller m force. He is basically gone to be the instrument iranians.

And where happens? Big debate in the team room and everybody, the charity gone like we speak. We speak animal kingdom.

We know when there's a threat, right? And then we have this case. Officer was like, know a junk professor fucked in George town.

I knows us from a home ground when, like, this guy needs to die, we need to go like, get on him now. And case officers, like now I, he's going to work with us. You know, we're like.

they wanted them to be an answer. yes.

Like this guy is a fucking stupid. Like this guy is, he's a sheer supposedly share cleric. You, if you know iraq, you ve got sixty percent of the county is typically going to answer iran.

You've got fifteen, twenty percent is up north. It's occurred. Well, then you've got the rest SONY.

And we're like, this guy is not going to fuck and work with us. Then this guys a real piece of show. He's already spinning up a moitie.

He's gonna be a problem. No, no, no, no. And like, okay, like you're you're the big brain on brad.

No, you're you're the P. H. D. mount. Like, sure, you know. So we act with us. And years later, I don't know how many guys died going into going back into the jar trying to find this fucking guy.

I know how many he was, a whole basically surge pressure, probably division to try to go fine, this guy. But we had the opportunity killing right there, like, literally we could like he had less than forty guys on the compound. We could like gone out and got to like that night. And then he became a problem and not need to become the problem.

He was like the, the, the decision makers were so poor at that point in the early in the war is started to really affect me in the sense of like I I was still boat so old but I sorted really think these guys might not know what the fuck they're doing when it's like wolf. Weeds and rums fell in brand in when they debated fight iraq. So after we invaded, they they did the same called the bath fiction, which was basically they fired the military and everybody that was involved in the bath party.

And once again, we're in the team room. We're watching CNN and its rome felt talking about the bathroom. Ying iraq.

We're taught work. We're firing everybody. And i'm not exaggerating everybody, the everybody in the camera was like, what the fuck?

Like you guys, like you guys, you guys are going to create the insurgency. Like IT was on the ground that moment. That second, like I wanted to throw, like I I wanted to throw a fucking and breakthrough, the TV.

Like I, I, these guys are paint by numbers, creating an insurgency. They have no fucking clue what they're doing. And that was like that moment, which is fairly early, where I lost a lot of confidence in the decision makers.

But okay, you know, the question is why you keep going back well, because you, anna, try to search for meaning and you're trying to find the the actual purpose, like what is the purpose like other W M D here? Like are there you know like the jet direct traces back to nine eleven. Are there things that we're doing that are going to directly affect and protect amErica and you're cause searching for IT and not kind of you are like that's what you're doing, at least that's what I was doing.

And by the time, by the time I laugh in two thousand nine, I just figured I was going to die like I was like, fuck this place. Like, fuck. Like, like I lived iraq, right? And then like, well, I think time and repetition in thinking that you're dead for that long and then searching for not only some some, what I would say is good in the war itself because there is good. You have your bodies, you have the crati, you have the adjuration, but you also think you're going to fuck and die every day for years on end. And that's not I fundamentally turns out this is not good for you psychologically, I guess.

And so I went afghanistan thinking well, and I went to train afghani is for um a four up there and when I went to train those guys as IT was he if I can train afghanis to take on the war, maybe I can protect eating old kids from get their fucking and legs blown off, you know maybe I can protect that know the twenty year old kid from nebraska from getting a fucking pg stuff through their face. And I was older and I was also willing to die. So the kids when I say the kids, you know eighteen, twenty years a lot like, man, it's not you know it's not fun to watch this yeah when I say that that's an under statement.

It's so heartbreaking to watch a kid has never been if a combat like die IT IT changes everything in your life and so you go from, you know iraq to afghanis an i'm watching all this stuff and full and there's like there's and I don't want to say it's all negative because, you know, there were things that were very positive. But i'm so jeep, by the time I get there that I like all if I can save some americans or save some americans and you know, if not, at least this will be an interesting experience. And then there's a longer a list of other things we can talk about. I don't want to get so fucking down. I guess that seems like .

it's impossible not to when you go back on IT, there's how could you not in the overwhelming negative experience is the overwhelming horrific experiences.

Well, I think that's where I have this massive distrust in politicians. And I think that's part of the reason they have they have squandered the courage of the american service man in the these forever wars that we've entered in under lies. So like, you know, willful weeds and w and roms filled and in yeah in sorry, mom, I don't I don't haven't respect for those guys like I don't not only we do not have any respect for those guys have profound amount of hatred for their arrogance because i'm my tony, i'm not making excuses, but you know there's pony guys like me that were not only hook lin and sinker and I still would I still sign up this country? Think service is a remarkable, uh, courage is courage in service back to our community is something we have to cherish like we do.

But when you have an orchestra of idiots that are manipulating the courageous men and women of our country to go into these wars based on a neo on pipe train and there's no consequences, you can pull out of afghanistan and billions of dollars of of equipment, who the fuck got fired? But if I made a mistake, if me and my bodies made a mistake, we fucked in. We lost our lives.

We go to jail like we lost our clearances. And am not trying to sound like a White bitch. No consequences for this. Nothing, nothing. You know, they get to go pay paintings and they think it's okay.

Imagine no consequences for relying about weapons, mass destruction and IT. Has there ever been a large scale investigation as to what let them to either believe or to push the narrative that there was weapons of mass destruction?

Well, I think if you you read A I mean, there there's a lot think there's a lot of like there's a lot of books out there, obviously in in whether or not you have to kind of sort through the actual documents and figure out like where these guys were at. I've spent a little bit life trying to understand from their perspective.

And I honestly think big part of IT is the guys who are making the decisions, their hubris, their utopian belief that they were going to be able to rebuild iraq, like houston, you know, my god, it's an oil country, you know. And you know, they really believed that if they didn't rain in this rogue nation of iraq, that iraq was going to eventually contribute to terrorism. And you have guys that were so consumed with their intelligence when I flipped to, not only hubris, but they didn't have wisdom, had intelligence.

The wall for which is a smart guy is not an idiot. The problem is, is not wise. These case weren't wise men.

There's a difference between having a high I Q and having the experience repetition, seeing death and destruction, seeing people's lives fucking torn apart, and then understanding something from reading a book or thinking about IT from an economics perspective. And you know, I think wolf is roms filled chi. They had this belief that they could do anything they wanted to value the senate.

They had a data, mind information and pull and pluck from different analysts that agreed with them. But most of the entire community didn't agree with them. I like we had defeated the iraqi army to the point when I say defeated IT like if we go back to the nineties, we say desert storm was ninety one.

And then from that point forward, you can basically say, you know, hw to quint administration, clint administration, with the economic sanctions and with the integrated bombing campaigns at the throughout the nineties, we had essentially stuff that guy back into a whole where the only thing he could do is so oil in the black market. He had a really, he had, he had a fashion state where he, he and his family had complete control out of the country. But he wasn't going to be a threat from an international terrorist perspective.

That is false. It's not only false, but IT is patently false. And they had to mind the data to validate that. They had to lie, they had to sift through and fine and picking, pull the pieces of information. And they really thought this was gonna a fucked in cakewalk.

They did because of desert storm.

They thought because of desert storm. And what they and they were listening to these assets like, uh, chi bi, iraq, former iraqi eggs, as are listening these guys, by the way, we are also manipulated by the iranians and paid for by iranian intel guys, their iranian assets.

They're listening these people and they are living in their own echo chAmbers validating this this idea that was Better for regime change, for the international none's, the international economy. But IT was going to be a stable, petroleum based country where we could integrate democracy. And none of these guys were arabias.

None of these guys actually understood the middle east. Not one. They didn't have any combat experience. They didn't really have any combat experience from the long term loan intensity conflict, uh, gorilla warfare perspective.

They were given not only the information, but they were given a but most of the information they are given was was saying this is going to be much more complex than you think it's going to be and they denied not only the opinions, but the information. And they went ahead with their fuck and plans anyway. Roms filled, chopped, single handedly, dictated how many people we're going to participate in the war.

Like he was dictating how many divisions that was going to taking. He's like, actually, I think you could do IT for half that. He is like trying to negotiate how many guys that Tommy Franks was gonna use to invade iraq. And Tommy Franklin have the balls to say, actually any two more divisions.

So a lot of this is just like fundamental, is your professional politicians and bureaucrats drinking their own piece like a sane earlier, like you can drink your own post once or twice before your kidney start to shut down and will fucking and kill you, right? These guys are all sitting around in their echo chAmbers, talking to the same types of people, defining how they were going to send service men and women to iraq. And they were wrong.

Not only were they wrong, but they were told otherwise by lots of different people to include, I mean, a tony blair had a lot of different issues with this. Common power essentially solve this, and got the domos to fall on the entire thing. Because he, they knew that compound was so respected that if he SAT in front of the U.

N. With tenant, was a doctor, the C. I, A, right behind him and hold up this little thing of of V, X, or whatever IT was that they could push IT across the line from the international community.

I mean, these guys were crooked man and IT. Not only were they cooked, they were so fundamentally wrong. And there's no consequences, nothing, zero consequences.

They put more of the jail. Yeah yeah .

they're go after trump for fucking in two years on, you know, russia collusion.

It's like you spent seven trillion dollars in thousands of american lives are hundreds of thousands of lives in afghanis an iraq? You're saying you're going to put this guy through the ringer for two years because there might be some docia that was paid for by the clinton like who is the criminal? And so for me and I get all wild up when I when I comes to this because rap after wrap, year after year, my my two closest friends in the world were were literally a one turn and half by A A E F P, which was a direct iranian manufactured shape charge.

You, my other friend, was turned into fucking and moondust. And I mean, these are my two closest friends in the world. I guys I grew up with in in the army I spent every fucking day with.

And since then i've had obviously more friends. But I mean, you usually two, what closest friends in the earliest part of the war. So i'm so directly affected by this because IT fundamentally changed what I was forever IT IT gave me a profound amount of mistrustin in my government, the decision makers.

I don't believe, I actually don't believe they're telling me anymore. I have a lot of scepticism when IT comes to the people that are calling the the, the handles in government. And I have to go to my peer set in what I told people is meant, my currency is courage, right?

Like, that's what I broke. And so my friends that have gone through the jwt, which are extremely happy for all these jays, are in like getting appointed to these positions. You know, you've got pete, you've got tosi.

Hi J. D. They fundamental know that what war is, and when you have decision makers that have never been to war and their kids will never go to war, chinese kids never want to war.

W. S. Kids never went to war roms like. And none of these guys, by the way, they're all vietnam era guys. None of them want to fuck in.

Trumped IT. neither. right? Go a bunch deformity.

But I think the differences is that when somebody saying stop the endless war, I I am more than happy to go chips in on that narrative. I am to go, oh, we need to invest in input more time, money, energy into creating more chaos. Instruction in the american service members lives or the lives of other people.

Do you will see that um speech with mike pants and tuck a crossing? No, tuck a crosson essentially ended mike pants.

Is political career really in one speech? Yeah because this is when pens was running for president and tucker was sitting there with them and pants was talking about getting helicopters and tanks and to to ukraine and he was explaining how, uh, they're being incomplete because they weren't providing them with what they needed and tucker went on this rent. See, we can find IT.

It's part. I bet you could find IT under that here at this. Listen this the thing you can be sure the talker part because it's the four four minutes let me here we says it's just start right with cursor. Click your cursor. Well, let somebody .

transfer some jets. I'm sorry to us. Presidents have you? I know you're run for president.

You are just weren't distressed that the ukrainians don't have enough american tanks. Every city in the united states has become much worse over the past three years. Drive around.

There's not one city that's gotten Better in the united states and it's visible. Our economy has degraded. The suicide rate has jumped, public filth and disorder and crime have ally increased.

And yet your concern is that the ukrainians, a country most people can find out a map who have received to tens of billions of U. S. Tax dollars, don't have enough times. I think it's a fair question to ask, like where's the concern for the united states?

And it's not my concern. I've heard that routine from me before, but that's not my concern. I'm running for present in the united days because I think these countries in a lot of trouble. I think joe biden is weakened amErica at home and a Brown and as present of the united states are going to restore long order in our cities. We're going to secure our border, we're going to get this economy with IT again, and we're going to make sure that we have men and women on our courts, every level that will stand for the right to life and defend all .

the god given liberties. And trying in our constitution, anybody that says that we can't be the leader of the free world and solve our problems at home has a pretty small view of the greatest nation on earth. We can do both.

And as present, the united states, we will secure our border. We will support our military. We will revive our economy and stand by our values, and we will also lead the world for freedom under a my administration, I promise you. And five spice of my friends.

Thank you very much. Just that that's not my concern. That's not my concern.

What the fucking are you talking about? why? How would you ever answer anything that way? That is not my concern. That's not your concern. You you don't think you just made a really good point that where we're really confused as the first of all, aren't we like a trillion dollars in debt?

How do we thirty five and a half trillion dollars in debt, like it's crazy, crazy.

How do we have the money? How do we have the money to send to iraq? And we don't have the money to fix our cities.

How, how and how can you say that's not my concern that what that is is the opposite of what trump st. God is nonsense talk, that nothing is a nonsense talk, but that is not of of a person's real feelings. That is just political speech that's just were going to clean up our country. We're going to preserve .

right memorizing .

sound by exactly, exactly.

And that's the entire problem with washington right there yeah the memory sound bites. They say one thing.

They do the other thing .

completely. We've lost the trust of their constituents. They've lost the trust the american public. And by the way, it's administration after administration. It's politician after politician yeah there's it's not I shouted, be a surprise that people like politicians and look at that guy and he's a fucking and robot.

Weird is weird. Do he's word where j is not wear at all? I met that guys fucking cool, is Normal smart shit I I can hang with that guy I give you, my friend is not even a little weird.

That is weird. I mean.

I guess anybody who's that smarter is weird. You know, people go to people is weird in that way. Like, doesn't not, dude, you don't see a lot of those but Normal that guys bizarre like his face doesn't move.

Did you have botox at eighty? Like what the flock is going on? Like you're weird.

I think they have no actions. They're pushing that thing to the red. That's why they're actually so afraid to do anything because they like I have there like i'm really pushing this thing.

I've got like a honey, like a one of five. But my parents are rich. So I went to yale. And if I break outside of my box, actually people are gonna that i'm fucked and retard. So .

right? Well, I do also think that if you're that ambition, you have ambition at that level uh, and your so driven to become the alpha that you want to be the president, the amount of work that's involved that doesn't leave a whole lot of room for reading, doesn't leave a whole lot of room for watching documentaries and having important in debt conversations of people expanding your understanding of the world. It's very narrow.

They're basically actors. A lot of most of these people exhibit a lot of the traits that I see in actors, this a desired more oneself to please the people around you, the saying, the things you think people want to hear because you want to get ahead. It's all like very similar their actors. And the fact that these actors can rise to a position where they can actually dictate what these military veterans do and don't do when they have no knowledge or experiencing this, no, that's the fact that that's a real thing, is fuck and crazy. It's really crazy.

I am. I think that by the time I left, I was so jaded. And the motivating factor was A. Like no man will ever have control over my destiny again. Like I I will not there's I will not put a bit in my mouth yeah, for an other man in the government, they will not be making decisions for me.

Yes, I don't think we can recall a time in our history where we did trust the government, but this is which is such a weird thing to say. You, I used to think that was the obama administration, but boy obama, during this common Harris miss, he had changed my opinion of that guy.

really? Did you have a high opinion of?

Yes, I did. Yeah, I did just as an intelligent person in the statement. And I felt like he's probably like caught up in the system is very difficult to make real meaningful change.

You know you think you're going to do something, then you get in an office in go god, what fucked and quiggin e this places. But watching him just straight up lie about truth, that the thing that got me was that very fine. People think the Whites of premises thing, they just kept trying to say that he was a racist, which is this thing that I think worked in like two thousand seventeen.

Yeah, I think IT worked back then. I don't think IT works anymore. I don't think people believe IT anymore. I think that .

we've gotten numbed all this stuff.

the sky is falling thing .

for whatever it's you guys can only call you only call me a fascist so many times I really like the new york times where that article couple years ago, right where i'm like IT was front of the coffee cup. Who was like, you want truck twenty twenty four? Do you want low taxes? You want this year? Want all bad? Sounds good. And you can only call me a fascist racist as hall. I mean, to be fair, like I I could float into the ask very relative easy .

but only when .

prompted yeah.

only when prompted yeah. It's a, do you don't want my fuck? And favourite things of this whole election cycle has been yesterday when biden, biden and trump s SAT down the White house.

Yeah, biden voted for trump. I guarantee IT. I fucking guarantee IT.

I never saw that so happy in his flock in life. He lost. His party lost.

He was happy. When obama had to shake hans with thump into the whole transition thing. Obama looked like jess Christ look. Look, look.

fucking, look at .

his fucking smile. Man, that's like when your hit gets married.

you like a harless cat. K.

it's first about what have they done to him, what do they done? These things go back to other patience is is more high read. Look at is mug man.

First of all, for sure he got something going on. When is for her? They both talks to shit. I was for her the game.

A face lift for sure, was a bunch of different things they did, which very ill advised, by the way, folks, look at trump. H he looks like shit. No one cares.

Everyone loves them. You, you don't look Better if you get your face. Pull back like a lizard.

You just more like a lizard. Everything, things. You're a lizard already.

But look at that smile, that while the focus has never been happy in his life, in his life he's like that bitch. He went down. You can't tell me he wasn't happy. Like when .

put that .

on on plane, i'm guarantee you, guarantee you that mother fuck was happy. He had a giant smile on his face. He said, welcome back to him. I thought IT was hitler.

I thought he was danger. That the all said, right is like he this.

he's a threat .

to democracy. We're going to have a smooth transition here.

This was the guy that you said was sharp as attack. He was getting up to four months ago, four months ago that I was gonna running again. Now here is smiling like a cheer.

How big is .

this?

That's a crazy smile. And he looks, these were in a mask.

but he might be. There was one fake biden. You just see the fake biden yeah the talk that I was so much power goes like six four is a giant by IT may know that they're .

onna smoke out when bias like because I do this guys like.

you know six, seven could be playing in the m so much they would what happened? That's a different human being told it's so nuts. Man, it's so nuts. All the different things that happened in this election of wild than anything you've ever seen in a good movie.

IT brought, I think IT brought so many more people in the politics do. And the more people pay attention to what's going on with politicians with the country, I don't think that's a bad thing because I think bureaucrats and politicians like they directly benefit from people not paying attention, yes. And so they only want you to pay attention once a year when they going to try to get how everybody got around a couple little stupid things and then get him out of the voting booth, but not too many. We don't want a lot of complex thought out of the voters. We don't really want them to think about too much because, you know, we still got a, we still got a national deficit that we got to increase and I ve got to line wind the pockets of all my buddies yeah you know racing on north of grammer and and lucky Martin like we don't want them to get in too far yeah I don't don't start talking about the reserve. We don't yeah yeah like I think that's what IT is.

I think that's also why politicians are some of at least are terrified to podcast yeah because you do have to talk about that. But that's what makes guys like jd and guys like trump unique in that they will just sit and talk with anybody. You mean he saw with theo von theo talk to him about doing .

coke is so funny.

He was amazing. He was amazing. He is an ability to be himself, no matter who he's talking to. You and him talking a truck about how used .

to love to do coke sleep in terms, is sitting there, which was super funny, by the way.

Like guy, I can see the al fall on apart funy like cheese. Chris, I thought I was run for present everything I had helped this yon fellow.

who do I need to talk you about this? But like, you know.

commonly didn't have the ability to do that. Or if he did, nobody brought IT out of. I was hoping I could. I really was I was hoping I could never conversation with there's all this talk now that the reason why he didn't do IT is because of progressive people in our party to push back right which might have some truth to IT. But for the record, they offered me two very specific days and um in different places in the country to travel and then go to do IT for an hour. I didn't want do that and especially after trump had done IT here and three hours and like this is the only way to do IT and e on side at best, he said, because you can kind of bullshit someone for an hour because our two an hour, three like that's that's when the real you .

comes out yeah you're you're gonna get real you you're, you're onna tear the layers of .

the onion right? So person IT .

might make you cry. Yeah and more people at and more, remember, I got this persons.

well, how much are you bullshitting the world, right? And the quote about trump, or the narrative about trump has always been, that is bullshit, but that this is a conman. He's definitely very persuasive.

And Scott atoms has rote about this, pretty much in depth about how how well a trump practices the art persuasion, know the art of the deal. He's great at making people his friend and making relationships. And if you, his enemy, fuck use cortez.

You know, it's like this in this fear of that you don't want to get on his bad side. There's all this like there's this art of like how he negotiates and it's gone through this years and years and years of business. But but that's him that's the the guy's right there.

You can talk to him about everything and anything. He's right there. He's not protecting any of his ideas.

He called a gill, allegedly lib with horse face when he was the present on twitter. So unit's the wild and shit. So you're getting what you get. That's who the guy is and you love I like him. I i've got i've grown to like him.

I had a much more negative of him back in the day because there was there's only so much you can pay attention to into deep types on before you lose your fuck in mind. And with him I was like, like, oh, my g by the push guy is part not good for the country? That seems crazy.

But as time went on, I was like, oh, you need a guy that is completely crazy to expose how corrupt the whole system and how they all collude together, and how they all, they all say this. There's all these among tages of clips of news organza saying the same narrative outright over and over the bed, on word by word. They are getting fed this by someone, some entity, somehow another.

They're collaborating, and they're all choosing this very specific narrative and they're running with them. They're trying to destroy people that I saw them do IT with me. Yeah, I saw them doing with me during the copy thing.

And I was all motivated by the pharmaceutical drug companies in the profits. And they were terrified that someone's going to come along. And sometimes they put a notch in this little thing that they've created, which is a devious little thing that they've done with eliminated all sorts of other remedy.

They they cut out all these generic drugs that possibly could have been used to help people. They denied people use of monitor antibodies. They pushed the fuck and shit out this one thing so they could make money off of IT.

And they did in in collusion with the media. No one acted like a journalist. No one looked at the excess deaths. No one looked at the instances of my carditis and Young people.

No one looked at any that there was no journalism IT just showed everyone that the whole system is bought and paid for. It's all corrupt. And the only way you could find out who a person really is is to listen them talk for a long periods of time.

It's the only thing is the only truth serum we have left. And even that's not one hundred percent effective. But it's pretty good. It's pretty your brain nose bullshit. You know ever like met some guy and like he's dating this girl did you know and he's a song about that is like what he's shake in my hand. He's being nice to me, you and my I don't trust this mother fucker sams gross about this guy and you find this be a shit.

But it's always this thing like feel some if you talk to someone long enough, there's patterns in the way they talk, the way they think, the way they consider things, whether not they can admit that they're wrong, or whether not they could tell you why they change their mind with the how do they form their narratives, like what what bad path were they on and what personal correction did they make in? How long did they take for you got to a Better place. You learn about people when you hear him talk for long peers of time.

You can't fake personal growth. You can't fake like stuff you've learned. You can't fake that you're willing to expose to people so that they they can perhaps see them in themselves. You can fake that. And all those people like my pants, he's got zero, that you can sit that down, that guy down to have a conversation of real visage with them.

He's so afraid I honestly, I don't think he even knows who is that don't even like actors my body gave um we are talking yesterday. You met him another night and I i've known him for twenty .

years like .

who's a lot fun you know we met in couple all back in the day, David. I like we go way back and .

good friends are Bruce and with my yeah .

crazy because he is team guy, right? So he's like former C O, C I guy and about I was talking about this. And when you when you can just be authentically engage with people, where you can just be yourself in in that part of the issue, which I think a lot of that is, and why they like why they connect really well with that is because you can just authentically engage with people and say, this person knows i'm a little bit broken, person knows that I ably don't ship that i'm not super proud of, and they know that i've got a dark into humor.

But I can like just kind of open I I can open my heart and just have a real conversation with somebody and that's the shit you chase yeah where you can be yourself and you can talk about stuff and you can like try to evolve the way you're thinking and feeling right in these artificial bullshit conversations that we have through other day with people. We don't give a shit about all these like you know inauthentic, unreal. You know, the near people, like I have no interest in having conversation with fake person that stupid.

The best thing that I took out of moving the taxes for moving L, I have way less of those conversations. I have almost none of them here. My conversations, the hero, look with Normal people.

They're Normal. So many people are infected by the rythm of hollywood. This is just about people trying to become successful.

And the way you become successful in hollywood as you get chosen because you have to go on auditions, right? That's that's the primary right. The number one top of the food chain.

Well, I guess rock star, rockstar and movie star or number one and number two, maybe interchangeable, maybe the the same same if if it's a ten like biggest stars in the world, it's the movie stars and rockstars and move is stars. Everything you do is about your relationships with people and whether or not people think you along with them politically, and whether or not you support the red causes. You are the boat tied, the Oscars, you act proper.

You do all the things that you're supposed to do. And if you do all the things you're supposed to do, then you get into the club, you know? And if you don't do all the things you are going to do, then they're not going to use you.

They are going to use Daniel, greg. They're going to use this guy. They use that guy are going to use day balta. They're going to use the rock. They are going to use. There are so many guys that want these roles and is only so many good roles, especially if you're gonna be a male movie star you like, so no one can color outside the lines.

And denis quid is like one of the rare few like male movie stars who just fucked and completely gave up, is like, I support trump, I support I am a Christian and I think gospel music, like fuckyou to, I quit and he did his ragan movie. He was a ragan movie, okay, about, it's about one thousand and eighty president. They wouldn't let him advertise on certain social media networks because they said he was during the time of the election and he could affect the election.

What was IT was a facebook tempting from that was a youtube or facebook. Some one of the social media outlets kept him from advertising this movie, which is a great movie about ragging. Wee replace raging, just a fuck.

amazing. There's nothing to do with today. It's about a guy who is dead.

He's d dad. He's been dead forever.

This ad is last year. Office all time is that's .

the thing with this this whole social media, no censorship, demonization like the way that they have, they ve they honestly and how I say they like there's a big group and you I mean, you're talking about the other night, even with your show, with the trump show, and then it's not trending. You can even find that the firearm's community on youtube deals with this all the time. You know, the guys that have the huge youtube channels from the fireroom perspective take their demonizes ed have to upload multiple times or like .

a good and calling on the his fucking and show. He can't get IT to grow. He can get his instagram to grow. He's like completely stifled .

and they're keeping the little on this I mean, like brain and hera .

on the podcast facebook knowst stake and love to the search yeah you acknowledge that the that is he expressed believed that facebook labeled the content as an next attempt .

to sway an election like the the entire .

thank you facebook this IT was just a mistake. Jammy, I just jm is just the .

entire firearms community. And it's weird because when I say we we talk about all the time like whether it's you know the biggest youtube channels on for the firearm space, they're constantly battling, trying to keep their channels up. This is constitutionally protected, right? right? And because there's a difference in political opinion, they can they can tip the scale, right, which is completely insane to me.

They and there's a lot of traffic. I mean, you think about something really big channels that are out there. These guys drive millions and millions of use. People obviously wanted watch, and they can't increase their reach where they get demonize, zing or constantly screwed with over and over and over again. And that's the way that we've I think a lot of us we felt we've been living under the thun of you know our our our social media oligarchs that are deciding whether or not our information is agreeable to their political opinion. Tell you the time .

that I was having a conversation with the facebook uh youtube executive and my wife had to grow my leg at the table and stopped me because seriously in hawaii, okay, someone with a friend and my friend was um an executive google. A very nice person. great.

No problems with them. We're all having a good time. We're sitting down drinking and talking.

And I got a couple of me, and this is lady who is a big wig at youtube, sits down across from me, and we start talking, and I said, when you come, so we get into this conversation is very friendly conversation, nothing in problematical. I don't think he knows. You even knows I am.

And this a long time ago. So this is like. Two thousand fifteen fourteen.

So my podcast is not that big. It's not that big at all. Let's make architects act.

When I was, when did sam Harris and Douglas muri have a converse? When did the strange death of europe come out? Tell me about that. That's a doug's murray amazing book that has been proved now to be absolutely accurate in this assessment of what what's going to happen to europe with muslim integration.

Essentially the guy nailed and um him and sam Harris, okay, so you have two public intellectuals who are having a conversation about cultures and about the what what is different about these islamic cultures and their desire to impose sharia law like at least in certain areas so they have a conversation and IT gets labelled, uh, as he gets flagged off this guy's account so I find out about this video because this guy has an account and I don't know, very posted IT maybe twitter but he said I got flagged on youtube for having this in my play list as something that I watch like not even something he holds on his channel so ah I asked the lady, I said, why would someone get flagged for a conversation? Shows he was a hate speech just like that, just like that. I was hate speech.

I go to remember the conversation because I watched the conversation and I don't think he was hate speech. He was death. He was heavily hate, which I, between two public and the, because he sees a food.

I'm raby now like it's too public. And elections was having a conversation about a real thing that's happening in the world. And there there is no hate speech in that there's no slr.

There's no degrading of people in generalization and people. There's no racism. This is they're talking about real cultural differences and how they're going to affect europe. And this fucking and lady, just its hate speech, that the arrogance of the way he said that to me, he was a big executive and I was like, oh boy, I was boiling, I was boiling and thank god my wife grab my leg SHE fucker.

He got shit out of my leg because I was ready to go because the lady was going to engage me and I was like, okay, is a pocket you your fuck just lucky is no cameras here? What you're saying? It's absolutely crazy.

Who are you to make that distinction? And you have any an idea how that affects us culturally when a persons like yourself who lives in this fuck in san Frances go this whole bizarre tech called bubble, that's what you live here. And you want to impose this easy, left this perspective on everyone in the world to the point where you're not even allowing two world renowned public intellectuals have a public discussion about this in front of an audience.

Did I would deal with that all the time where people I would talk about the middle ast, I spent most of my adult life in the middle east. So I was in iraq. I was in to uzi.

I was all around the middle ast in africa. And I would just say, I just don't agree with the way that saudi arabia ia runs, right? I don't agree with the monarchy.

I don't agree with a islamic sharia law. I do not get oh, you're a fuck and racist and you like what? No, man. I just don't think that it's the best way to go about IT.

right? Like you know it's like, no.

not a racist. I've lived there in there. I've spent a ton of time there. I think this is Better ah in these are the reasons why and people didn't want to have a conversation with .

out your racist, but this is what crazy you have to be able to have those conversations even if that person's lot wrong, like if someone wants to get on youtube and tell the world why should real laws Better? I think they should be able to do that. I let them do that and let someone counter and let them have debates.

And sam Harris had a bunch of debates like that. You can wash online. They are amazing. Let people figure out who they agree with.

And if you just shut down discourse and say that it's hate speech and you're defining hate speeches is no slr. There's no like we ve got to kill all these people. There's none of that. There's no hate in this conversation. You're saying hate speech is a disagreeing with a narrative that all left this must describe to, regardless of any objective assessment of the facts.

And he just sitting down and looking at and go, you know, I don't think I agree with this aspect of IT like I think that like telling women and they have to wear her job where this that you're not giving them the choice you're tell net, not giving someone choices. Just fundamentally bad for the race for humans. It's suppression .

anything outside of a meritocracy in the context of being able to evolve a conversation based on the best idea wins.

And when you're chopping out fifty percent of your population and saying there be a burden and where they belong is just essentially for poor yeah like this is the problem that I have with this yeah any time that i've had this conversation around the middle east where like these the things I don't like about IT and there's lots of different things, could be the know that the the era will typically wear this very long open bottom garb, right? It's typically referred to is a man, address my hate, that thing that stupid. I i've had wear IT, you know.

and I .

sometimes in her job, yeah I I had like a tiny little like belfer machine gun. And I I D have to work because i'm a small guy, right? And one hundred dock and sixty pounds. And so I would often be the woman because I could I I could be this look. And i've got a plan and in frame, man, yeah got you know birthing hips of course but um you know I can get a little saw with which is a squad automatic weapon, a little belt fed machine gun, a couple of frag underneath of his job and I can t in the back seat yeah that surprised beach or woman.

Picture knew, with a hard job and a belfer machine, good on your dress is fuck alarum ous.

So it's so much. Did you have a .

thing we could pop IT up like like a locky jacket?

yeah. So you'd will close. So we can. We hold department in the agency where they would like design costumes and ship for you.

So you, I had, like, I had this fake mustache. I got a picture of the of the instance to you, but I had this fake mustard ash. And like, they would put taner and fake mustache he and like sunglass so i'd like drive around looking like .

a ARM half time like I fucked in amErica .

world police movie and fall on and it's so funny because like you'd have no shade person put in makeup on you before you like go out to do up and you got a fake must station, you know or for me, I disgusting to the job. I want to know what i'm going. We can but mean .

the lady thing, the thing we allowed to wear makeup at all, the islamic women allowed .

to up the on the some parts they .

don't let them do IT.

Some parts are depending on on how extreme they are. But if you to cow or something like that, they would flash IT to signify IT, signify that .

they are like racy, you know?

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oh my god, it's angle species. What I had isn't IT while though that that religion, the absolute most suppressed religion, suppressive religion that comes to women and gaze are the ones that the progressives are so very manly defending, like that's the one they defend over all religions. You can be as like a left.

This will accuse you readily and quickly of being as laptop is a great thing. You shut you down. It's a great majority.

But no one ever accused of being anti cristian. No one. IT never comes up.

No one, no one. There's not even a word right. You can have islamophobia, a Christian of phobic. I've never heard IT.

What is? What is a word? I'll get disparate ging word for someone who is is prejudice against Christians. Does IT exist?

I don't know. I mean, IT probably .

doesn't mean it's like honky. Yeah no, it's like a racist turn .

for why people cry doesn't work if I don't even .

means a too much garbo.

C you said laptop, a flows .

that sounds like electuary. This podcast is filled with laptop, a first of just discussed this. This is really important. We need a direct them to .

feminism but I think that's so funny because when I when I listen to academics, you puppy youtube and will go down a rab hole on a certain thing and listen to an academic and half of them, I couldn't say half of them like a good portion of them. They're talking about things that have never actually experienced.

So for me, I i've lived in the molest, i've lived in jerusalem, i've lived and interacted in ban in these cultures on a in seeing them in a very vivid way. And when I say this is like tactical and combat experience specifically in these countries, it's it's very vivid. And part of the problem with know this differentiation, let's go back to but this differentiation between the decision makers and the people actually implementing the the tackle execution on the ground is that there's a huge disconnect from the reality.

They don't have the wisdom to understand what IT is. And what I used to tell people is, like, I was almost like a zookeeper, where I would assure, depending on the person, I would assure them through the fuck and zoo, so they could see what's going on. But they would see from a far, I kept the lions from eating them.

right? And there's a very clear differentiation between the people in charge. And most of them shouldn't have been a combat zone specifically in the agency. They should not have been in in a comment zone. And when you unpacked the agency and you look at you have para military guys and there more than more than qualified to be there. And they even like the cocktail circuit guys and they they are just trying to get their combat to words so they can get promoted to another fucking and spot. But they actually have no business being there, meaning they need guys like me to keep them alive .

like so they just like getting in days for leger.

There is a very famous uh informal uh case officer from coast back in the day and I was on the ground. There are not coasts in cover at the time he was being groom to be the system director. There's a great book on a called double agent but I was on the ground when that happened and SHE had this a asset that he was trying to get in, which is an agency asset that he was trying to get into a base and coast.

Once again, this person has no, they should not be here. They should be in in germany going to a cocktail party like pretending like they're really cool because they have high intellect, but they have no contacts to going down to the basis of reality. And these are like rules of the jungle, like this, like this.

Power is the only language they speak. Like you can intellect your way out of this thing, like a fucking and bullet is a bullet, a bat is a bat. Like IT will win over your articulation every time if you want to win a debate and you just put an act handle through somebody's fuck and head, that's how you win, right? That like IT doesn't matter.

IT doesn't matter. So like they bring in this asset, she's like all you know, this asset is the guy. He's gone to give us the coordination to ban lad, and we've been working with him for a long time.

He's an amazing guy. It's his birthday. He wants us to bring him a cake, so he buy, passes all the security systems, bringing in a guy from pakistan.

So SHE gets him because he, he's like, I don't want to go through any security. I'm your trusted guy. I don't want to go through first.

I don't want to go through any security. So SHE tell security, stand down. SHE doesn't tell anybody about IT SHE brings this guy and through the gate like blows through.

Now the security guys, mind you, are like, what the fuck did you just do? They're running down to the situation to try to get ahead of IT. He steps out and he looks like the missile entire man and fucking cracks off.

And three, my friends were killed in that suicide bomb. SHE was killed ultimately. And but that's a perfect example. I I know there's like multiple different examples of there's a different caden's mindset in capability associated with what I would say is the first military guys verses the case officers despite there's just totally different guys and they tried to intermingle because of capabilities and more importantly, promotions to try to get people like promoted, which is another reason why but some significant things have to change over there. And they got the guys hurt .

people to you. Just you're supposed to protect these people. yeah.

So they could be collection officers on the ground. And I mean, like time after time, example after example, this guy in this town of laska guard on the middle fucked in nowhere. And you, before we go there.

So this rewind iraq. I I despise that we are working with, and they're called case officers. And they would see, and I and I we go out to pick her up from their field.

And we're like bringing our to where he needs to go and we pick her up and he gets in the car behind SHE gets in in the car behind me and SHE takes out her pistol. SHE points at on in the passenger sea. She's right behind me.

SHE takes out her clock. SHE puts a magazine, and I racked the slide right behind my head, like, directly into the back of my head. Oh, my god.

And I turned around and i'll tell you exactly what is what the fuck are you doing? I turned around and might give me that thing like and I called her, I called her some like, very rude, very rude things, right? So i'm like, what the fucker you doing? Don't take your pistol out ago.

If both of us are dead, then think about IT. But i'm going to keep this. You just don't have IT anymore.

As I gave back, I actually gave back the empty pistol as like climbing. If both of us are dead, feel free. Take one of guns. Take all of our guns.

I to give a ship because i'm dead, but I get back in in the the chief of base of the time pulls me and fuck and super good dude, if you like, cause me he is like, k man, heard you had a quite an exchange with a somebody and we don't really appreciate know this. And you know, I might be, I might have to send you home. I was like, did he tell you what he did? He was like, no, I just thought you got in the car and you told her like, you know, you're fucked and dumb, whatever, give me you're gone like, no SHE wacked her slide into the back of my head you like, no god, get out to her. I'll talk to her so I got get out here.

I'll talk to her like forgets but it's .

it's like .

the enough to show competency and weapons use.

Yeah but it's it's do they go .

through the same sort of program?

Everybody thinks there's like this Jason Moore and thai person you like spor j son born or like that like because it's just not fundamentally correct. Like any soft guy there, any sort guy is so more much more proficient firearms. I taught a selection building course for former soft guys that want to comment to the the agency. And I taught IT for a couple years, and I was one of the main architects behind the selection criteria. And and we would have to go out and train spies, and I would shoot their qualities course with my left hand like on two hours of sleep, still half in the fucking back like it's just so like ridiculously IT .

and grain yeah .

and more importantly, it's that's not their job, right? The selection people and defending them to a because a very high I Q there are selection .

criteria in their courses.

They don't belong in those places like when you go into the when you go to a combat zone in when it's A A very complex because there's different, different areas in combat zones and some of them are more dangerous than others. You can have some of these people. There is too dangerous men.

You gotta a have collection people who are on the military side that can handle themselves unattacked. And you can't have, like your regular home drum spy. This isn't Jason.

More, they are not competent. And more importantly, tly, that's it's not third thing is the thing of proficient artisans in combat collection in the art of war. And that is a very subset nnc h profession of guys that are extremely competent and very dangerous.

Why do we want to believe in a Jason board? I think, love that. They love that. Of some super by double o seven. Do that can fuck everybody up.

It's fun, right? Oh, we we noticed your, your, your, your, your, your really good boxer in your local gym and you went to gale. We're going to recruit you.

I could fuck, let's be stupid. He's a good champion ah he's a judo champion. Know they always start how man notice you're hitting the bags and yeah, political science major in yale.

This is a guy with the glasses in a head on watching you run around the track. I think we found our man.

if they only knew the bureaucratic steps that I took, that they get into IT where it's just like so much paperwork and interviews and it's like who is this guy? What is done?

And well, what wild to me is the spice that infiltrate Terry organizations like there's there's people that are in the df that have inflated a mos. They live with them there. They're in there that's in that crazy.

Are you respectable that life is nuts where you're gonna found out? And these guys knowing how mos, knowing that a certain percentage these people have to be israeli. Well, that is so crazy that they do that we .

knew that those guys and we need those guys like, i'm not oh, I M not official .

cover .

the knocks. That's that. I mean that there's so much respect.

Would you explaining that one guy that's a professor? Yeah.

我 我要 so yeah， I am out of all the guys like I I had such a unique ride in history in times right where looking out the window kind of just been a passenger in history, and then being talked to some these guys. And I would sit down, and I would always find, like the older guy, that in the we have like dining halls, agency has their own separate dining halls and bars, and should like that. And I set down with the guy one day.

And this is like a woman. What's your story, you know? And he was told me he was, he was an anthropology professor, the university washington.

And he was he, he was finishing his PHD, and he was crossing the machines travers in canada. And he did IT in era appropriate clothing and a cane in whole fucking in that right is completely insane. Oh my god, is that so insane as I got how to get in, you know? And that so he's making his way across.

He gets to a cabin. He's starving. He's gonna die. He's explaining this to me like, i'm going to die. I break into this trapper cabin.

I find a bunch of a old, like, old canned food. I gorge. I just like in gorge myself. And now I have the screaming shit. And I might .

wiping .

my eyes with this national geographic. And I pull out this ad in the agency used to have ads in national geographic, and he thought to himself, wow, that's that's really interesting. I should apply. So he applied when he got back. This is here.

you you look at starving that you have eaten bottom filled cans of beans and pork shit. Wipe in your rest of the national geography, I mean, you can see in the movie is in a so he goes .

back to universe, washington becomes a professor, the agency, he goes through the process, the agency recruits, he goes through training. But still he said he has to keep his is double life going and so he .

starts to life as a double life, in fact becomes the professor while he's in the agency create wow. So from the jump he's got a double life is only he gets recruit. He's some nobel prize winner.

And they say, we need you to be for america. yeah. wow.

In his first job, i'll never forget him. Describe me because I didn't know. I didn't know any of this is so it's part history, part agency history.

and. He goes, my first job was fluid. Angola, yeah, I just had A H suitcase for the money. And they dropped me off in the middle, nowhere. And they, like, go kill cubans.

There was a job, jesus Christ, just a bag. A one is one straight directive OK.

And so independent here that's cool. shit. Here's a bag money 对 go kill some cubans because you had， uh the yeah it's it's a proxy war right between south africa and that is the soviet in the cuban by proxy.

They were both supporting each other. They were both supporting the communist st. revolutionary. Oh, so we are pushing back from the state perspective, we are pushing back.

And the um soviet intervention, which was driven from the cuban, said he had a huge, huge cuban intervention which is something most people don't realize. And I just like, that was fascinating because is the first time I heard about IT. And here's this guy that his job was, here's a bag of money. Go kill cubans. That's your job.

Wall is a critical .

wall is a professor. So you'd be like, so here go back to you know whatever university and go okay kids um I know i've been out on a dig, you know and i've been building you know at battles in australia trying to do this. But really we use an angular hunting cubans. That's pretty bad. That's way .

Better than a OK plus. Yeah, who here can answer that?

Nobody, nobody, nobody can know. He never tells anybody. anybody? no. And he's still I I mean, so I guess .

with a guy like that, if you can find a guy who's willing to wear error error equivalent clothing, would you say error correct clock and make his way through a track that was most likely gone to kill people in the eighteen hundreds, you know, who did something like that? I didn't do the whole thing, but vanilla the way I met him was he had a first, he had to show before mediator. He was called the wild within.

And I got really addicted to IT seriously. Yeah, I still love of way, everyone hunting. I still love in hunting shows.

Yeah, I had to watch, like ted nugent spirit of the wild, and my life was the fuck are you watching? But I was always obsessed with hunting shows and wilderness shows, people in the wilderness, because every time i'm in the woods I feel I was a vitamin like I wanted to, like, experience more that my lifesaver watched on TV. So there was a show called the wild within.

And what reeler did was he like, I think he used like error correct weapons too. I think he used like a musket, and he shot a bin, and he turned the bin into like a thing. He was a bin whenever the animal was.

He turned IT into a boat. He made a boat out of IT and drifted down this river. He did like all these things that these pioneers did back in the day when they were making the way across the country.

That sounds awesome, is pretty good. That's I got to meet. That's how I got on my podcast before media was ever show OK. Yeah, he was super dismissive a podcast.

Now I feel like there there's .

like what am I doing here? I'm in this how many club with this fuck you due to smoke .

and weed like this is ridiculous. I think there's a .

lot of people I pri dismissed IT there. What the fuck is he a mart? anything? He's A A fascinating guy to talk to because he's a super well read and he he can talk to about all kinds of shit that you would not expect from a guy.

He is a professional hunter. He talks like A P, H. D. It's very good, but also like a hunter. Very unusual dude. And like one of the very best guys to explain hunting.

I guys, I saw a debate that he had IT was like, I think he was a book that he had released and he was doing when those talks they do at bookstores. And this guy was a vegan, and the guy and the audience was a vegan. The guy got upset with them.

The renna handled that so perfectly. They're just the way communicated with the guy in explaining his perspective. And you have a different perspective and love to have a conversation with you. He didn't do with any body. Ted, you like guy, you please grow, grow .

vagina.

But renel is like that. The perfect answer to people that objectively they look at. They go, I do eat me like I am a hydrate. I am hiring a supermarket hit man like why I upset at this man who not not only hunts his meat, but cooks IT and write cookbooks and cooks IT on television. And like, this is the same thing.

Like, what are we doing here? This is so stupid, you know? And then you get the people that really believe that you shouldn't eat anything but plants.

And my problem with that is, I think plants are smart. I think they just move real slow, and I think they have a way of interacting that is noticeable, measurable. I think there's probably a consciousness to plants.

I think, think life eats life. And I think that's the only way that survives. And I think that's just the way IT goes.

There is just the way IT goes. And you can choose to just eat plants, but I don't think you're gonna be as healthy, just I think it's too hard. I think people can kind of survive ve on vegan dies and do well on vegan dances.

Athletes are on vegan dites. I don't think they hit peak performance and thrive. I think that's all people who are consuming nutrient dense mets meats and fish and eggs. Those are the people that when you look at athletes, the predominant, that the best athletes in every sport are all consuming protein. They're all consuming animal protein.

There's so few that are vegans that that hit elite status and maintain a lot of get injured when they switched to vegan to this is so much in there's collagen and beat wet o and fucked. And through so many different aspects of different of you could have this ethical thing in your head. And I get that ethical thing like anna want to see a thing suffer.

I think plants suffer. You just don't feel that I really do. I think there's a communication with them. It's probably similar, but different to the way we feel about animals getting killed by other animals.

I think it's just a part of this whole process mean, they've shown that you can take the recordings of beetles eating leaves and play recordings of beetles eating leaves near a tree. And the trial experience distress to the point where IT changes the profile, that the flavor profile of the leaves IT releases chemicals, these photo chemicals, into leads that makes IT disgusting for the bugs. And they do IT with giraffes like when giraffe eat.

I think it's a cash trees. When giraffe eat a cash a trees, the trees downwind all become disgusting to the point with a draft table staff because they they won't eat IT. They change their flavor profile to protect themselves. They release some sort of chemical and makes them inedible. Well.

I think is so interesting I because you can see IT with um who said paul stamp has just like you when the guy is a talking and communicating and the health benefits to look fun guy in different plants like I think any time you have this editor, no meat, no plants, no ah I I think that's just another version of religious extremism if you are just to say what makes sense, what morally, what am I going to have to call us in from me?

I don't want to be a hydrate, so I hunt. That's the way that is we we eat a tony wild. I'm not a hydrate.

We meet. I love fish. I love, I love fruits and vegetables. But I think if you're making this determination where there is no meat, this is the only thing i'm going to eat or one. Now that's a lot of time, effort, energy you're spending specifically on your diet constraints that could be allocated to a being a Better dad.

Maybe you do all the things too. Maybe, you know, I think their philosophical point is a good one. I think their their ethics, the morals, the their perspective is that I want to live a life of with the least suffering possible.

I think that's a noble, I really do. But I think the problem is life is life. And I think that's the real problem. And I think the problem is, if you're buying just vegetables in the store, boy, you need to take a good look at monogram agriculture.

Look in bananas here there is a Taylor shared in in yellow stone there is a scene where Kevin cotter was talking to the hip lady is trying to like shut down branches and said africa what her thing was but um he was explaining out if you're on a vegan that you want to kill the most things, become a vegan. Don't still a one life is one life okay? If the life of a golfer and the life of an elk or the same thing and why wouldn't may be right?

Do you have no idea how many things I have to fuck and die to make monarchy? Agriculture a lot. They kill everything.

They kill ground hogs. Ground square. Ls you fuck and name at ground nesting birds fonds.

Everything is gold up by combines. It's an enormous industrial Operation. It's not natural.

So now you're limited organic plants, okay? So if you're growing all of your own food and you know you growing a lot of soybeans, a lot different things like if you go hamp, if you're in a place we can grow legally, hamp is actually a really good as of approaching. It's actually got a really complete minno acid profile.

You can you you can survive, you can do IT that way. But if you're A A regular version, because person, I get vegan pizza, the supermarket shut the fuck up. You you're contributing to this mass slaughter of small animals, but is not aware of IT.

How have you watched that netflix dock series on? It's basically .

vegan propaganda. I forget what I think I .

thought I was fascinating like from a wide variety of reasons, but more importunately. So I wouldn't got some began cheese. I tried IT like, okay, it's not bad, but I mean to it's it's a laundry list of ingredients associated with making less, which is seems pretty insane to me versus what's the ingredient on a good cheese bill. Great like a like a dissertation today.

And it's so that is literally what IT is if you want to be. I said in a million times you want to be a vegetarian, eat indian food. They make delicious, delicious vegetarian tending supplies to food or whatever the fuck that that is, get out here, get of IT.

Get the fuck out here. That's nonsense. When you eaten and also eat molester people who are looking into that.

Those things are so primitive that way more primitive than plants. We just have a problem with that moving. It's all that is if if people like, they don't even have nerves, they don't feel painting. They're in the simplest of organisms yet. Their protein is like animal protein.

It's really good for you to oyer oh yeah.

And eat, fuck out of oysters. never. But every now, then I had about .

to do dying from you. So we are enormity that this is super funny, funny story. So I I went out to the idiot diversity for the Normal invasion, took budget dudes out there.

And my kids and I are out on this beach, and i'm taking my pocket knife out, and i'm just chopping listers off the rocks and eating always to a straight out of the ocean. H, and my girls are running away from me, and like this, gross is, should i've ever seen. And then pretty seen, they got into IT.

So then they're trying to find me the oysters to bring him back and show me where they are. My wife was like, you're going to fuck and die. You're to you're going to place in yourself. You're eating these like ride out a ormat one of the beaches out there.

But I me eating them and I quickly searched, hey, are there there are any taxes after i've ever? Like, three, are there are any taxes in the oysters? And Normally think god was like, you know, ninety nine point nine percent. I live, I live on the edge. Yeah.

when I live the same artist co ah you can collect muscles was like muscles are on the rocks. But then I think I brought him home once. But then I found out that there's like a couple months out of the year that they're poison.

You get like red tide, right? Dodge bullet. But what's that bullet? Because you can just go fine muscles and in pa off of things.

Let me let me ask you this, like, so if you were to move back to california OK, but take texas politics with you.

that's not really possible.

But if you were taking you in a generation move.

yeah, no, no. I'd like IT here.

You like the weather.

I like everything. I like the size of IT. I like the way people behave.

People super friendly, like the scene here. The restaurant seems amazing. The comedy seems amazing.

Live music, a bunch of cool people now like that. So many my friends moved here. I have loved IT here. I just love the vibe. I love that it's know.

I love that we're not connected to the hollywood machine like like a pole of deals and shows and things that you get roped into doing because you think about the money it'll pay you right? Then you wind up like becoming one of those people like you have to say what they say you have to be. If you're not politically aligned with them, you're going to lose gigs.

You change your behavior. I see IT with so many comics. They're really good comics coming up there.

They're like, what? This guy is going to be good. He's really good. He's just getting Better all the time. And then they get a fuck and show.

They get a show and then they turn everything down and everything gets softer and everything, you know, you should started seeing to like bulls shit jokes and there are like, oh, you decided to cover this joke, cover this subject just for like, just for like street read, progressive street read and like, you see that happen. You like get called into the rocks, the sirens. They call you into the rocks.

thanks. What IT is, man, they call you into the rocks. You stopped. You stop being you.

You stop being you because they dangle that Carry in front your face and there's no Carry out here. The Carrier is just podcast and other comics. So that way Better.

There's no control. There's no manipulation. There's no someone's danger in this over you. You have to agree with what I agree with. No one cares at all about any of that stuff here.

It's freedom in i'm we really talking about at the other high things today right where like another comic was like, oh, can you believe the democrat like now it's weird or whatever, right? You know .

yeah but .

it's it's fine in the context of I think being a conservative because I don't necessarily say something, I just believe in less government. I don't like bureaucrats at all have a high degree of scepticism on anything that they say. And I typically will question anything in the elected officials. Al will say so.

But for me and my, I don't care if the guy next to me is gonna vote for, you know, whatever alternate politician I care about, what do their ideas, why, why do they think a certain way? What do they doing? what? What kind of human are they, and what is the character of the individual? Am I going to disagree with him? Yeah, bet.

Who's the fuck cares? Like this kind of find, like it's kind of found the disGraced people and debate them and have a different opinion versus being an echo chAmber where people all agree and y're all kind of lack step in their belief system. It's kind of fun to have some wing that talking about socialism half the time you talking about you believe in that is to take some or willing nightmare man.

And if you could have a conversation with someone where you're friendly with each other and completely disagree, it's a beautiful dance. It's a fun dance to talk to people that have just completely different perspectives, but not rude to them.

He is asking him, well, why do you think that? Did you ever consider this and have conversations like two Normal to people just have in a converge, okay or so that's what you think, huh? What was your like childhood? Like get IT.

Like what do we dealing with here? Like why do you have this perspective? You know and you have to people talk to each other and there's a bunch of people that we hang out with that of totally different opinions on all kinds of things.

Like my friend josh, who was here the other day, love in the death he told me voted for jills time, said he voted for jills time is like a protest vote. I think the two party system student OK, right, right? yeah.

I K, look, I voted. I voted for for two libertarian candidates in a row. So i'd vote of a gary Johnson, and then I voted for joe organon.

why? Because I was like, this is this whole things gross? But that's like california.

I knew it's gonna blue. Anyway, california is always blue. Vote is like a legitimate protest vote. And I guess he used in florida that's a legitimate protest .

vote if you want to.

It's onna go red anyway.

whether you like and not go red. Yeah.

floria goes red hard when they saw my amy go ready like old boy ah oh boy and one things that they were say, IT is like the whole like what goes red and what goes like? If you look at the country like california, way more red now that it's ever been in four years. I don't know that you have a big difference.

If you look at there's a map of california how IT voted from two thousand twenty to two thousand twenty four. It's a giant swiming. It's like it's the red going like this.

So if you can find to me it's very interesting um and that's not because people been realized. That's because the left is gone. Fucking cookie, you guys have gone crazy in your authoritarians. You want everybody to behave and believe and think and talk the way you .

do or else I .

always look at that. Look at the difference. Holy shit, holy shit.

Do that is yeah it's most .

of california by landmass by far there is probably ty percent by land mass or lue up .

there on the e side. Like what is .

that close to with IT grow the way turn. Yeah.

where you guys.

you guys got ta be like, toho, what is that one .

that's got to be like trucker or something?

You have a show of working. These fuckers here goes h these fuckers, you have to get a sk. Yeah, go to the other. Just the image.

just the image when I see i've thought about this because I always told people california is my my favorite climate .

and in the nation is, yeah, that's IT. So what's the one and upper? Well, not the one that's blue. Yeah, I guarantee that where they grow the weed.

yeah.

they want to keep everything nice and kind of everybody shut .

up for a man. We don't want these guys do like criminalized weed again.

That's where is humble jme. That's where they were the best way. That's where they have problems with the car tail to car tee.

grows weed up there to the cartel, grows weed in california. Oh yeah, that's what I was, just what I wanted to ask you about cartel.

Do you think that they are really.

哦， shit OK. Here we go. You're right.

Yeah, they the yeah, there's a good name. John north has been on the podcast. He wrote a book called hidden wars and he was a game word. So he just thinking, is going going around check and fish licenses and SHE like that.

And then one day they find a creek that's been diverted so they have to follow the creek that thought maybe a farmer had, like, damped the creek somewhere and done something to get water illegally. He goes up and he finds these PVC pipes, and that reads, this giant grow up and is all car tail gas. And so this guy's job changes from being a game war.

And let me check a Fisherman to running a fucking and tactical unit. They had attacked dogs. They had attacked dogs.

They had fucked and shoot outs with the car tail in the woods over weed. Because this would happen. California made weed legal in the state, but made growing IT in.

Mister miner, if you grow IT illegally, okay, so if you are a person is doing IT legally, you can grow and you can sell IT. If you have a license, you can open up a shop, but you can sell IT the tax, the shit out of its great for everybody. But the problem is you made growing IT illegally a misdemeanor.

So then the cartel to starts growing IT everywhere in the national forest, because even if the guys get arrested, nothing happens. It's a misdemeanor. It's so the use is crazy, toxic poison, pesticides. All this shit is totally illegal to use on regular crops in america. And ninety percent of the illegal weed that's being bought around the country is coming from them.

Oh, should that? And they're .

doing at all the national force. And they do in most of IT in california. Do they find this group? My friend found one, you know him.

Cody, oh yeah, yeah. Ah.

he found a fucking grow up on.

oh my god.

that's right. Ah, yes. He found a car tail grow up to home ranch with a this guy Carried in pipes on his shoulder, diverted into the woods, diverted a stream.

And then there was this whole field with these guys are planted out there. They were camping out there. There are little religious symbols and ship they kept by their bed to protect them, like the virgin mary.

What do you think i've heard? This is what I want talk about, because this process, the car tel, was like, what do you think about releasing silting six, indulge a force in the car tel, what do you think that looks like?

Well, I think you've solved one problem, problem. You have no have distribution, but you still have a demand.

You still have a demand. Yeah.

the real problem is always gonna be a demand. The real problem. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that idea, by the way, OK, I like that idea.

And but the problem with that idea is you're always going to have a demand. And if you're going to have a demand, someone's going to fulfill that demand. And who the fuck is are going to be? How are they going to get the coke in? You're not onna, just not have coke. So here's a question.

By having prohibition of alcohol, the united states is widely, widely agreed that that LED to the rise of mafia bootlegger, the mafia criminal organizations that were organize crime that went on to do a bunch of other horrible things inside our country, and they were built up with money because alcohol was illegal. The moment alcohol stop being an illegal, you still have these people with all this money. Now you fucked up.

Now they're organized gangs sters now, you know, okay, alcohol legal. Now just go sell IT legally. And they have millions and millions dollars from all life of crime.

You've already done that little hard out. You to do, you got to do something. You to do something.

And you probably also should legal as drugs. I don't think you should take drugs. I think coke is probably terrible for almost everybody. I think math is probably be terrible.

Do people .

still do coco really of chinese investment in illegal american weed? Of course, but when they get in on IT, check out this number that IT says of the two thousand, our story of the eight hundred farmers, the opens in home, the oh a bear of an architect says, shut down in the last two years, seventy five percent. We're linked to china. Oh my god, chinese are growing weed here. The grown weed here.

I was thinking about that. I was talking about this from the thought exercise. Where are my? Because I, you know, I I know these units are intimately familiar with them. If we declare war on the car, tel like these, these studs are not gone to understand what the fuck is going on. Of course they're going to be because.

god, this is that be they are in for .

a world of like ultra violence theyve never actually felt before, because you don't. Obviously, this is very capable of an organization. They have fucking no clue if we organize these heroin units against them.

This is gonna what I would be doing if I was down there. But I know all those shoe boxes in my fuck, and you know my walls that i'm going to have to collect up. I be, get ready, retired red. Now that's what I would be doing, because if delt force is coming, me, bro, I would be so terrified.

Is that a real thing that they have proposed? Yes, that is a real thing. Who proposed .

I am almost positive. Either jd or trumpet said something with the new guy from ice like we're going to mobilize here one units against the cartel. The only thing I thought was like, retire if because you has got some money, man, but by a restaurant, I try to go legit because I due if those guys are hunting you. Yes, by the way, like that, you're done. You're fucking done.

And it's a weird thing that that's going on right at our border. It's a thing because it's so close to us and it's so ultraViolet and dangerous, and it's just completely shaped away. The entire economy of the country works, know they there.

They have so much power and control. And it's a criminal organization that is entirely, almost entirely IT is funded by us, by our desired trump, declare war on cartels. President lex said notorious crimes indicated drug campaigns will never sleep soundly again once he have launched his plans. Attack the issue.

I thought about this for a long time where they, if they turn loose, delta force and ciel team six on car tells and pedophiles, we could just kind of like erased the problem in about two years.

Begone, he wants to send trips to mexico, he said, make appropriate a special forces cyber war for another over and covert actions to inflict maxim damage on cartel leadership, infrastructure Operations. Oh, jesus and IT is going to get while it's 穿越。

it's going to get wild.

man, he is going to get wild. Very interesting. But the thing is like people in action as action as well.

When you come to this like you're just you're going to continue to prop them up, they're going to get more and more power, more and more money. And we got to figure out why everybody wants coke. What the fuck is that? I think it's coke.

I think that's the big one. I'm pretty sure it's the big one. I'm sure a lot of IT is pills.

They have fake pills like they say like street pills, street different, like anti anxiety medications. Moi, there's a lot of stuff they sell. It's also laced up with fat no, which is responsible for, you know who knows how many tens .

of thousands of hundred thousand people, people crazy high.

crazy high. It's a horrific thing. And it's gotten to the point where people scared to try any kind of drugs.

They think if they found final and weed, you know, like, yes, people, they found final list weed yeah, people are dominate shit men. You don't think they'll try put in fat? No, and weed.

People are dominant. We'll try all kinds of things. People are retarded. They will. I know people that have mixed ma and habits and mushrooms and acid altogether.

Like, what are you doing and you trying to go to space? Like, what are you doing, man, she's Christ. You just .

experiment in A O inhibitor.

What you just an o inhibitor on amoco inhibitors, the ingredient in I osa that makes dm t really active. So mono amie oxtails breaks down. D mt in the gut. That's why when you eat like like you eat a salad, that's why you don't .

trip balls got IT.

okay, cause others SE like most plant some crazy number of plants of the mt. So the how many plants have? Dm, t and I think it's like a thousand or something. You study like that .

when you think about the legalization of suicide. yeah. So taxes I in this is what I know about taxes because you're leading, I think, a lot of research specifically related debates.

Apparently the former governor rik cot is really into the rick Perry k.

Perry Perry because of his relationship with Marcus latch and some of the other guys in the community, he has been leading the charge on this. Do you think that from suicide in being legal in the united states, do you think that would be an issue? Do you think that would be an issue?

Or I don't know because you're gonna a get people trying and they wouldn't try IT before you're gonna get people to use IT irresponsibly, just cut like you get people to drink irresponsibly. I think that's the situation that we find ourselves in, are going to give people personal freedom. You're going to make bad decisions.

You know, you can buy a core vet, right? You can go to the severely dealership bia corvet right off a lot that goes zero to sixty in four seconds and you're flying around corners. You, you, you could be a fuck in maniac and kill people in a corvet, or you could just enjoy IT on the highway and be responsible and say, what would a great car? These things also, I love IT, and you don't cause any problems for anybody.

You, both things are possible. That's what's gna happen. If we make drugs legal, you're going to to have people try those drugs that probably shouldn't be trying those drugs. You gonna have people get addicted to those drugs that maybe wouldn't have gotten addicted if those drugs weren't available to them, especially if they weren't legal.

If you could just buy IT somewhere, but if you don't rip the fuck and banded off of this like infiniti zing of society and let the people know that there are things out there, uh, that they're telling you you can't do, and the people who telling you you can't do them haven't even experiences them. And when IT comes to things like sillas ibn and psychiatric s like if you have an experience, them you really shouldn't be talking about, and you have no idea what you're talking about. You just, you can't possibly know, you can't know.

And if you do, if you have experience, then you're probably going to agree with me. You're probably going to agree that there's some like some serious benefits to IT. Fifty yeah thought us a lot more than that least at least fifty.

I had read something there was like in the hundred ds. So the point is like, I know filreis grass is like really rich with d mt. And that's also the occasionally that's what one when they connected is like a university rules on the connected. This idea of moses and the burning bush to a emt try, right, because the ocean tree is like rich and emt, the idea of burning IT, you see god, and god gives this message and tells you what to do and what the rules of behavior are this. I think anybody telling you that these things should get you locked up as clearly never experiences them.

They they never have. Like, I spent all of my life with the top secret security learns, like most of my life, from my twenty years to my forties, right? And my personal experience with them, this is before, before we went public.

But my personal experiences with them was, my, my, my problems were rep after rep, cycle after cycle of combat after, like relatively high stress, scenario after scenario scenario. I was having a really, really hard time trying to directly connect with love. I D.

I actually could not connect with that. Experience is really difficult. My wife and I were going, we are going through this this ongoing debate, dialogue with IT.

She's like, you need to try IT. And we tried IT IT, fast forward, probably twenty years of talk therapy. And for me personally, and he gave me this, this like direct connection with this, this feeling that I hadn't fell for years. And this is the feeling, and this is my point, with with, with that, especially from the combat vats, the guys have got raped, corrupted for rup, with over pressure and explosions and a lot of violence, is that they lose context with this really important feeling that you have to have, which you have to have direct love for your family, for your spouse, for yourself.

And if you, if you kill that by all of the things that you've done, you're build a scaffolding, this artificial scuffling on top of this great colors, and you gotta a be able to break through that IT from a IT from a psychological perspective and emotional perspective, IT accelerates that back. And you can kind of reset you. You really can.

Yeah, I can imagine. I know I think about this like my does, like eight years, all right, like man. He's got, he's got a lone cancer.

Now my gosh, I feel good like coal less around killing eagle and past and try to understand himself from a different, more inro's cate way. This will take decades, maybe of talk therapy or a session where you you could really accelerate your growth as an individual. I think that's for for G, Y bets.

For bets in general. I mean, think that's what their they're missing. This key component is being able to retouch with our emotional strength, bill, baLance these things out where you can evolve and live your life. Do you think you've said IT before? I know if you set on a show, but do you think society would benefit from IT?

Think a lot of people would benefit from IT, but I think a lot of people wouldn't. I don't think people with real psychological disorder should be doing IT, right. You know, I think people that are really fucked up and having a hard time with schizophrenia, people, you know, I don't no, I think it's probably dangerous for you.

I think it's probably a bit of a stress test for your know you hear about these stories like the guy from pink floy that dropped acid and freaked out and never came back. There's those stories like we hear those stories of guys just go out there and kind of you lose them. I've kind of seen IT with some people.

I've seen what one one kid was just like smoke in a ton of weed and just lost his mind and became kizza honey. And you don't know, like, did he have a tendency towards schizophrenia? A already. Did he fall prey? Was he just his unique biochemistry and how he interacted with whee was IT just inventor weed you?

I mean, he was every days smoking, we constantly, what is IT like? What caused him to crack? You know, I don't know, I don't know, but I I don't have that problem and I I think it's very beneficial.

And I don't like when people tell me that because someone has a problem with something that I shouldn't do IT, I don't agree with that. I think you should be allowed to take chances as a person. I think if you want to do B, M X jumps and fuck and do flips on your bike, you should be, allow to do IT.

You want to do Judith, and have grown men tried to kill you? Go home. go. Do IT do whatever the fuck you want to do. I don't think anybody should, will tell you what you what you can can do.

But why does that change when you talk about substances that someone puts in their body? Well, because those people could do those, then they commit crimes. But there was are already crimes like you already go to jail for those crimes.

So if you do something violent because you're on a drug, you you you're going to jail because you did something violent like there's a crime, you committed that crime, you go to jail. So we ready have loss to think like that, address all the problems and you're assuming that more problems to occur. We don't know that.

We don't know that. We don't know that more people won't chill the fuck out and won't have a dramatic decrease in violence across the country. Imagine that.

Imagine if you have a few people that lose a fuck in mind, but you have a dramatic increase in consciousness through the entire country, where people develop like a mushroom culture, and people start like micro dosing all the time, and people get way more comfortable with talking to each other, way more creative, way more like community oriented and love oriented. That's not a bad thing. That's that's a real possibility with something that exists right now.

There is a happy pill is out there and it's illegal and it's god made IT god made. And it's probably the source of most religious experiences that probably some sort of a connection to a lot of those religious experience. Our experience is rather and what was probably some sort of a psychiatric adventure that they went on.

And who's to say that that's not even how you talk to go in the first place? We don't know because it's been it's been held back from us. It's been kept from us like we're a bunch of babies.

It's something that human beings have used for thousands and thousands of years. The greeks use psychiatrically to start democracy, and yet here we are in the Grace democracy, the worlds ever known. And twenty twenty four, with full accents of the internet, all the data that's available, all the anecdotal stories and it'll get you locked in a fucked in cage.

That's not that's really crazy is that doesn't make no sense. I've tried to look at IT from all different ways. I do agree with you if in when people say if you make cocaine legal, people gone to die, unfortunately agree with you, but if you don't make cocaine legal, people are also going to die.

I don't know which one is more, and I don't know if I was just real cocaine versus cocaine mixed with a bunch of other horrible shit, if like the real cocaine wouldn't kill as many people. I don't know how many people are dying just of cocaine and how many people are dying of fatal cocaine. I bet it's way more fant cocaine.

So if you are just purr cocaine in the same amount of users, you're gna get way less deaths. So that's a that positive. Then you take taxes from that sale of that legal cocaine and you use IT to sell the rebilitate centers.

We give them I give people the ability to break addictions. It's possible people do IT. They go to mexico kick oppos.

People do IT all the time, my friend and play did IT. That's how he got into IT. He started his own clinic because he went down there because had a pill problem.

You get an injury you do in Judith, so you're always fucked and hurt these guys, get a disable, the arms are fucked up and take a little pale. You feel Better. But then you need three pills.

Then you need for that. Now you're fuck. And now there's nothing to help you other night. But again, and that's illegal. See, you make that legal too. So with those two together, who knows? You might have way less deaths, and then you'd have taxes that you could take from that stuff and use for all sorts of things.

IT would be horrible for taxes from cocaine sales to fix the schools, but what if that? What did IT? What if we did IT? And what have the exact same amount of people buying cocaine or still buying cocaine? What if that is the fix? And what if responsible use of drugs, all kinds of drugs, sure, don't drive a car when you coke up, don't take hero wen and fly your plane? No, in responsible use, just like responsible use of alcohol.

Why is that so crazy for us? Why is that so alien? Because we've been turned into babies. We've been turned into babies where you're allowed to take pharmaceutical drugs that make you high as far, whether IT high, fuck on at or all or highly fuck on open you, that's fine, but you can't go out and get yourself some mushrooms. That's just crazy. And for these people that are the ones in charge that are making all the money from these decisions to keep up with his insanity in the internet in twenty twenty four, in this tide of change, I feel the same way about them as you feel about those poor car tel members, like you probably should be doing something else.

What is this?

What weed inventor? Shorter answer is their false. There's no solid evidence that marijuana is being laced with fatal. Here's some of the reasons why he didn't someone get caught with. IT, though, said this at the ballot, is that there's been a few publicly stated like media stories that have said it's that's what the case was.

I think we were talking about one and they said there was we that was released with file little got a rest for lab test claims that, uh, errors and then the corrections don't make the headlines. How do you get an error? How much fit no is out there? There's a error, was just contamination and was going to weed that a no.

Then I had been a field test. They could just been like this have on IT they rubb the weed and the weed comes back like, yeah, someone touched fan on, I touched the weed and you ve got fatten this weed. That actually does make sense, right? Because if you think it's some crackdown, dude, where the new fields for the car tell it's always going to be doing that.

yeah, he's going to be doing fat al. He's he's going to be all on everything, basically about positive on everything.

He's the he's on attempt in the fucking and wood with .

a little virgin mary statue real I get .

candle les row haven't shoot out with the fuck in the cops. So crazy that's going on and that there's hundreds of them and that the chinese run .

in them like this is the most insane part, like everybody knows what's going on because all these chemicals are going from china. They're being uploaded in eight mexico, in south america, they're being like produced and then cross and they push across the border.

And do you never talked to mike Baker about this stuff?

No, I i've never actually talked to my Baker.

Bring, I got to bring two guys together. I love that dude. But what one of things that he just tell them me was about the chinese cell cell phone towers like cheaper, right? So like you just buy us, listen to you and they put IT all around military bases.

We promise what are going to listen you. Hey guys, the chinese said they're not going to listen to us. I mean.

that's good for me there around this nuclear weapons facility. Of course, they're all over the place and then they buy land like doctor feels highlighting that and they buy land right next to military bases like how fuck in sillier way this is. So we're so silly like someone's moving our chess pieces around like this isn't happening.

This is an even ever thing like that. There's no way to be buying up all the weed. There is no way to be buying up all the farm land right now.

There is no way they would be exporting comical. So could we visceral two hundred thousand fucking people. There's the way they .

know there's that crazy even think me. While the only way get those chemicals from china, the only way get IT from china. They sent in the mexico. They cook IT up. They send in our way.

But no, there's no way the chinese are thinking that.

Alicia sly, no, no, there's no. What are they still mad at us for like the open mores?

I think the chinese are not necessarily matter as they're just talking about themselves from a hundred gear vision and there saying, okay, where do we where where where how do we assign to being able to take place, take america's place as the the international superpower, right? So I don't know if they necessarily have an opinion base x ground. More about how do we put the pieces together to take the pole position away from the night.

I'm sure that's the primary goal. But I do remember reading something where they were talking about what the british, who there are people that introduced opium to the chinese, like on purpose. IT was like a campaign, the first open, more eighteen hundreds.

Okay, a britain. The war was triggered by china's efforts to enforce its ban on opium. The british responded by sending a naval expedition to forced china to pay reparations and allow the opium trade.

Yeah, so the british wanted to keep to have fuck and dump flowing in that wild. They went to war to keep the dope flowing. This is what people have to recognize about afghanistan, too.

Yeah, this is something that IT sounds. So conspiracy theory that no one wants to touch IT. But the troops had a guard, the poppy field, ds. Afghani, an harvin, went way up when we went in there, went way, way up. Their products went way up there were supplying at one point time.

What was the number? Jammy, what percent? That was that what I was, seventy percent of the worlds heroin was coming out of a place that we had occupied.

While the other, the other issue is that, you know, the taliban was using the O, P. M. And essentially to find third growth in the their militia. So the D E A was out there. So you had the D E A out afghanistan doing direct action ops, and you had soft guys that we're going out walking through poppy fields and marijuana fields and all these other things that you pass IT off the D A.

Ninety percent .

ninety five .

yeah in twenty twenty one, ninety person, ninety percent holy shit, hope shit.

You destabilize the entire country. You everyone from actually focusing on the opp m, you focus on terrorism in the town band and then you allow IT to flourish. The the dirty secret nobody wants to talk about from from that from that perspective, vist is that we've we as a country have dealt with a lot of shady opium dealers like drug lords that were essentially exporting opium.

And if they were part of the taliban and or if they were anti taliban, you do business with them. It's the same story. Yeah, make what's your trios priorities.

So you know how? Oh, hey, we need to get, we need to fund our army in south america. So hey, how do we do that? Let let's imports of coca inventer market because we got to, we got to push back against the comes in nicaragua. It's the same story. It's to know.

have a freeway. Ricky ross, on serious times. I'm on recently how mone recently yeah and he was a guy. He was a guy has making millions, millions and millions and millions dollars going to read who is making millions dollars selling coke for the .

folky government.

Manda r overtakes afghanistan in the worlds top opium CER violent political turmoil in myanmar in in years since twenty twenty one coup has contributed of production increase. Wow, they took go over and that clip what's up checked method cheaper than beer there.

There's a lot of drugs .

going on this wo twenty five cents each at all. Imagine for a quarter you can do math.

the golden, golden triangle.

not just doing that, maybe doing that quarter of what kind of judgment do you have? You pop that twenty five cent math and fuck and check, get down with a budd wiser. What are you doing, mom? What kind of life you live in? Because they took ten pills first time.

So how did you work out? I took ten pills, was totally lost in my family recovery. Ze, my children, son couldn't sleep at all.

I didn't drink, I didn't need. I felt powerful. The last went so perfect, I feel powerful. yeah. Look, I don't think that should be legal, but well, here, I don't think you should do IT, but I think you should be legal. I believe it's not legal.

The car tel sells that you just have to figure out what to do with the money they going to make from IT because that's devil money like you're selling meh money like that devil money your ruining people's lives. But there's going to be be a bunch of like slippery people that are hang and on but do in their best and you're going to meet them down the road to a oblivion. That's true, that's true.

That's true. But that's not going to happen to me. I'm going to a get method out. I'm not going to try IT. I have even tried out of all, i'm scared of IT.

So some people are gonna gure out, just like most things in life, just like drinking, just like driving, just like doing judge to, just like riding A B M X bike. Some people going to get hurt. So we have to decide what's more valuable to you nerfs the whole fucking world, or people figure out what's best for everybody.

And the only way to do that is to give people freedom. That's IT. The only way that works if we figure out what works, what doesn't work by success, is in failures.

And we all adjust along the way. We got to give people freedom, freedom and information. Those are two very important things. When you're suppressing either one of them.

you can be the good day. You're not a good bye. You're not a good guy. Freedom has to be sacred. And across the board, which freedom comes with accountability, which means responsibility, and that's the problem, is that when freedom, I think when you can distil IT down and you can create control, then you can create profit. So power control and profit, those things like they directly have this confluence where people in power obviously manipulate that, and they restrict our freedom.

Yes, specially they can make .

more month .

out of one hundred. More control, have more power.

And if kova taught us anything, he taught us that we can't four fit freedom to low I Q, power hungry bercy ATS that want to affect our life because they're stupid. So why would we ever give away our freedom to a bunch of stupid bureaucrats like like that, to me, is the fundamental difference between the entire election process. yes.

Like how do I maintain or increase my individual account service, which comes to freedom, right? And how if we want to capital late that that's the other side. I think that's a referendum on freedom.

yes. I I don't want over simplify that kind of wear. I think that it's where IT is.

You not oversimplifying if you don't have that, you don't have any these things. You don't have any growth. You don't you have you're gonna people that to empower that stifle discourse.

They're na stifle debate. They are going to if IT because they only want their side to be heard. Is that lady of the table telling me that sam Harrison dugas muri was hate speech? It's those people.

You have those people dictating what you can can talk about based on their own morals. And you don't even know how they think about things. You don't even know them.

They don't do pod casts. They are not hanging in and out with you with the bar. You not going to dinner with them.

You don't fuck you know them. So you don't know they're making good judged calls. You don't know if their assessment of something is something you agree with or if it's even rational. You don't know these weird strikes you get on your account and you get like this, a fear based letter that comes to you. If you do this again, you're fuck and like, oh, no.

Now what do I do? Why I Better self sensor and go along with the machine and stop missing dering people and stop doing this and stop doing that and just saying, and then you're fuck and then you fuck and then you might as well be living in any other country that's controlled by a dictator. It's just a dictator by a different name, right? It's all IT is it's fascism, but it's not right wing fascists and it's left in fashion.

M, it's IT hearing to the state they wanted to go along with the Mandate, the way they talk about things, the way you have to talk about things. And I think of anything, this election was a giant fuck you to all that where everyone is like, fuck you guys are fucking crazy. We see where this is going. You go and write off a Cliff and you're running. And if anything that showed you about that, the Harris budget, which you spent a billion dollars, five hundred and eighty million of IT, or something like that was for staff.

yeah.

five hundred, eighty million. And there's all this money that went to all these outreach groups and all these different and celebrities, and like, what the fuck is this? And then there are twenty million dollars in dead the, and you want to manage the economy.

This sounds crazy. This is, what did you do? Like what happened here? Who went crazy with a jack? Who went g while who went hog?

Nobody in the administration ever been business I made. I nobody find out what the .

numbers were to staff because I want to be accurate about that. But I think I am. I think I was five hundred eighty million, and I was watching this on fox news that they don't lie.

No, they don't know. They never live.

They had a giant lawsuit, the, the union. But there was a big one. They got here.

I did pass. See a little .

regulation gene. C, yeah, they set IT on fox in James. So has to be true.

Has to be true. That's way.

oh, fuck no, Better than fox news. patchy. Bt, David, I know, I know, I tel you, I see the weeks that say that, but if fox news s website says the campaign spent fifty six million dollars on payroll and payroll tax, so what's that other money? But but wasn't there are all the money that they had spent on divisa? Yes, yes, yes.

That didn't they count that in staff? But no, I don't I don't know. This all comes from my twitter. I don't know where that comes. Twitter, jb is real just in stop in a fuck and party popper asking for the scroll up and let me see what this says it's but no, i'm starting roll down.

I just want to see what IT all that says so it's as kala raised one point zero zero three billion SHE spent one point three seven billion SHE spent five hundred eighty two point five three million on staff that doesn't add up because I thought you spent six hundred and eighty million on ads. So those two numbers there's no money laugh over for everything else, right? So one of the two isn't one. How much you spent on ads? Six hundred and eighty millions?

Oh my god.

that's like he was on my board, cast for free.

Do that is like the the the secret is something going to secret when its campaign time. And you have all these ads, these ad guys that are out there, they're buying up all the ads and it's a wash in money. It's hundreds of millions of dollars and there just pipelines, campaign donations in the ads and it's like loading up. There are money guns and just shooting IT into space. That's their .

that is it's like great and theyve been telling people that this is effective. Yeah and so they have this this business .

going on is IT. It's just complete absurdity. Don't me wrong. I actually politics is so fun for me because I think it's it's really interesting and it's like I can't get into football or anything else because like I like the data so created with things and if I got into foobar to be like one of those fantasy football door and I can't get IT and so politics is one of thing around like I follow IT, I love IT. It's interesting just trying to understand the strategy behind IT.

I've changed my opinion of IT a little bit sce the election. I don't think um that the control the grip of the control of the country as as strong as I thought I was. I know I thought this concept.

So everyone is a concept of they they don't want you to know things. They are controlling things. I have a feeling that in times of crisis, like what we find ourselves currently in, it's like when the lights come on and roaches scatter.

That's what I have a feeling. I have a feeling there's no way that they can trust each other and that they all know that a certain percentage of people are going down for corruption. There's a certain percent of people who did some dirty shit. Ah there is there's some connections with organizations and CoOperations and some emails. Save your emails, it's one of the roof of your records.

Pack your bad. So epic, yeah, that's epic. Preserve your .

records because we know you're all bunch liars. Yes, we've caught you already on emails lying about stuff. So this is you all perjured ourselves like voucher project himself.

There's no inference this, just that just a definition of gain of function like shut the fuck up. You don't change the definition and make IT ultra super nuances so that IT fits in. You are a little excuse box of why you didn't fund gain of function research.

The fuck you didn't. That's what you did. That's what IT is. And when Randall was confronting him with IT, that was like one of the crazier moments.

User, do not know what you are talking about is like an evil villa. Yeah, yeah, evil villain. There's just lie to everybody and got away with that and no repercussions.

Well, I think that I think that's like the story over and over for these guys are in power. There's no repercussions. Yeah, there's no I often times snake of dick. I as a guy sitting back and and like high back of the chair in in in a big in a big black tile office. It's completely shiny with a White cat on his lap, like just padding up but that's where I think about the fuck and guy like fuck that guy.

How are these guys have to keep flashing back to this bit IT forever? Fuck can change me, right? Where are my? These guys fucked up so many people's lives, like countless, countless lives.

And the fact that they still think they have public trust with zero accountability. 对。 Man, how while was .

that in dickinson was endorsed in obama earth? He's made was endorsed in camera. Of course you want everybody was like, yeah, look at that right wing people. Yeah.

like you might well open IT. If if you would have been a national car driver, he would had a lockheed Martin fucked in jersey .

on on right that point. Or yeah.

this good patches on his beautiful like this, stupid everyday, but can supo skwess re's like politicians were their national car drivers?

I like the site would be amazing. Or just old caps on the back, say any of .

the .

liberals still find a way, you know, not. It's like sattar ism in the classical sense, rejection.

the how bad that is, you know, we have we have to think .

about IT gel.

Have you seen those babble on bees? Gets words like saying and talking to the the democrats about, like, did you go for you guys? You guys jumped the shark on this. What are you doing? It's so good.

Did you see the baby on bees one recently where they are talking about criticizing trump's new appointment and comparison to buy disappointments? Have you seen in IT? It's just image you .

de ball .

dude with the dress is the other dude who is the first female umbra first female umbrell maybe if you a woman you try to .

become an and this one .

just jumped the line the .

whole thing with like the it's like the avengers united administration .

declared drop company picks on qualified like if you just look at that .

thing and then you look at like when I say things, right? So it's like you look at this thing and then you do a rock comparison. Okay.

you know, who scares the fucker of me? Oh.

that new borders are, oh, dude, he's a bad of the fucker.

He scares me is me I imagine myself of the backpacks and he could across the real grain .

that fuck guys there. Yeah, did he says.

like about families? Is there anyway not separate families? You'd do them to go.

you know, to remind me. Have you remember that .

it's just like he said I was like, wow, he's getting dark. Yeah see, i'm like A A bleeding heart OK. I want people from another other country that are poor to make their way here and make a Better life.

I want that want to be scanned. I want know the fuck is going over. I want to make sure that our carton members, I want to make sure that terrorists. But i'm all for people that want a Better life because I would do IT.

I be a complete total hypercard if I said I lived in bottom all in some village and there's no power, and I found that I could walk to america, and if I did IT to take three days and then I can get a job in the fields and then I make way more money, I could send money home and everybody could have clean water. And fuck can do IT. You would do IT.

We'd all do IT. So I get, we do all do IT. That's so part of me is like, man, I don't want to send anybody back but the other part of me is like, what about terrorists about what about checked card tel members? What about the fennel that's coming through like a kind .

of an open border I I believe in like I believe in a marital racy, right? May the best idea prevail. May the hardest st workers prevail. The problem is, is when we expert all of our manufacturing to china, when we have an like south america, we have a bora crisis. Yeah, obviously in a coffee guys.

So I think about coffee all the time, and I think about nick arrowes service, or like all of the south american, central american countries that grow coffee. And I talk the farmers and. All we have to pay them is five or ten cents more bound depending on the coffee.

And most of time when i'm talking about coffees and good no problem tends is mark who cares um what that allows them to do is build schools, pay livable wage, all the things that they need to do to be successful in grandma nec lab wherever they're going, wherever we're talking about. So I think about this, okay, so we're exporting these manufacturing jobs in china. And if we are just not concentrating on economic policies in this hemisphere, where from a national security perspective, if for exporting jobs to south america, we're creating economic opportunity mobility in south america, central america, we're creating jobs, economic stability, generational wealth.

And we're also solving one of the issues that we're having, which is a order border crisis, IT just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me to say, hey, we want to export and I know this started with the next administration and you know you have essentially slave labor, which a hundred and ten percent against which I don't think in any way shape perform, we should support economically. So if you're an export, and look at this from a manufacturing and industry perspective from this hemisphere, how do we online ourselves around strategic stability? How do we protect against our border crisis? How do we still import? Because, I mean, I I know americans love their cheap goods like they love their shit, you know I mean, they still want to have this decreased labor cost. I think investing in south and central amErica just not a bad thing. If we're not going to invest in amErica because of the cost, then we have to invest in this hemisphere.

Well, that makes sense that if you want to make the world a Better place, and if you want less people trying to sneak into our country, one of the best ways to make their country Better, right? But we got to do IT ethically.

The crazy thing, and this is we beaten this horse of thousand times, is that everybody else, a phone and everybody's fAllen, is made by slaves, right? And if it's not made by slaves, the coal ball that in IT up, it's there's a real high chance that he came from someone with a fuck and stick poking IT into the ground and digging IT out for you. And that's everybody.

We have to take a hard look at all this stuff. We should be making our phones in america. We should be making our phones in amErica with american minerals.

There are source for people to get paid to fair labor, right wage. They get health benefits. Every there's ocean.

People check on things, make sure that regulations are in place, make sure that people get like make sure they're making enough money to to make a living to live a livable wage. That you you have to do that in america. If you want to do IT legally.

The only reason to do is somewhere else, is so that you can do something legal, because it's legal there, but it's not legal where you live. IT shouted, be legal to have people working in another country for you for fucking fifteen intent in our just it's too crazy. It's too crazy that you just you cross this dirt path and now you're allowed to be a piece of shit like that seems crazy.

But if you're doing IT the right way and you're paying people well and you're allowing people to like thrive in a place where there was nothing before, yeah you you can give people pathway to do a lot of different things. Economic success opens up a lot of fuck indoors, especially with education, especially with safety, with schools, with Better communities. People have money.

There's not so much tension. It's good. It's good to have a thriving industry.

It's good to have a thriving economy. It's good for everybody. This is not good for everybody.

Everybody is always gonna people that suffer in every kind of economy and every every kind of situation in the world. There is going to be people that suffer. And like we're talking about on the way here, like some of its just luck.

There's a lot of luck, not a luck. Luck is looks a real thing, you know, good and bad and it's there's, you know, that's one of the most important things about having some success in this life. You having the humility to understand that you just get lucky as fuck. Your lucky is fuck of your alive, especially you right? Your lucky .

is fuck Lucy. Am, you know how lucky is? Like ten four, I got all my fingers and toes.

It's it's great people, incredible business. I think good I .

ve been. I get so incredible when you think about like the birth place lottery of hitting the jackpot.

shit. I think yes, I think we're so lucky in this time. I think i'm particularly lucky because I grew up before the internet was at all like, how old do you? Forty seven? Some ten years older? The new.

So when I was like, very note, I get there. I was twenty seven when the internet became like a Normal thing to have in your house. You have a, and you turn on, amErica got male, or you got male if you ve got male on A O L.

So from that point on, the fucking and world changed so wildly and so quickly that we were not even really noticed in that what was changing. And now here we are. Here we are in twenty, twenty four word seems like the most chaotic, the most weird truck, just one again, sometimes other. I helped him like such .

a crazy.

like this is the wildest time line ever.

This is the most we're talking about. This is the most optimistic yeah, i've been in in our country. Yeah, this is the most optimistic i've been in my dog life yeah, the moment that .

he won like that in a land slight like maybe they don't have such a grasp and maybe this will open up the door to making things more rational and baLance. And we could stop a lot of this fuck and awful corruption that just injured twined like the mycelium that's under the soil. Yeah, the corruption is just air twin. A lot of its legal corrupt.

I do it's insane when you think about yeah obviously i'm super interested in the military industrial complex but when you think about yeah, we had was a fifty sixty notary industrial contractors started nine eleven in the lower under five and we think of eight hundred and sixty billion dollars of annual data associated with the defense budget, which is gone up since our height in the world on tair or the war on tair.

And we have five guy, five big companies that are basically taking fifty percent of that eight, sixty and then fifty percent of that this profit. And how is that? How is that happening when you think of this triangular, a fact between the military industrial complex.

And okay, you have the revolving door between the pentagon. So every star that comes out of the pentagon goes back in the military industrial complex with x amount years of disassociation blab. I was okay.

Then you go back in the military industrial complex. So you go into like lucky rathie, one of the top five. Then you have congresswomen and senators that are making decisions specifically related to the budget, the military, the defense budget.

They are loving to increase defense spending. But then they also have factories that are related to like the f thirty five or some big military contract where they're making forty, thirty, forty, fifty percent in profit. So they are the guys that are lobbying to increase the defense budget.

Their campaigns are being paid for by the military industrial complex. They are directly increasing the military budget. It's a self looking ice cream count. It's it's completely insane. And the fact that we don't have any strict firewalls and separation from an ethics and in i'm not against people creating jobs in the state that someone to think in the fact that there are not strict firewalls between the fact that you're going to directly profit and or your campaigns are paid for by the people that you will love to go in and increase the taxpayers, uh, liability. I I would think about the solar day was like if if the taxpayer had an itemized look at where their taxes go when they just came out annually, year once I want that whatever is and they looked at what they were paying for, i'm pretty sure they might have a more vested interest into how much they are paying, what they're paying for and think, you know, maybe we shouldn't be asleep at the wheel. Maybe we should probably pay a little .

bit more more attention to this is not amazing that you don't get an analyze list, but you required to give an extraordinary percentage of your money to the government. Like what is the tax break? That is someone who makes a million dollars a year.

What is that? percent? Forty percent forty seven. Okay, let's magine your pain percent in income taxes.

Then if you live in california, you pay another fourteen point four. I think IT is sound like that. And then I think it's another one percent if you live in the city, los Angeles.

Ah, so now you're down to thirty eight, thirty four percent. What do you get there somewhere in the high thirties? So then you have sales tax on everything you buy, you have property tax, you have insurance, you have whatever your house costs. You don't have a lot of money left to and the government doesn't even have to tell you what they're spending IT on like you probably get less than they do if you really think about IT, if they get forty percent.

And let's to say you don't have tax shelters, not like good stuff, but if you get if you pay forty percent in income taxes and then after all, the shit like after all, property tax and state tax and this tax and sales tax, and like, what do you have? How did you get? What did you get? Well, how much? How much money did you actually get? The government got more. You got seventy .

percent of time that is working for the day.

That is so bananas that you don't even be get an tommies list to what they spend IT on.

I have to file on my audited financials, right? I think about the old time. I have to it's a requirement.

I have to pass them, right?

The pentagon hasn't as a passing on IT in decades. They they're like sixty percent we'll just say fifty percent of the panacea s expenses there. Like I don't know, I don't wear when sorry SHE, that looks to tax pair. So how is IT? It's this rules, rules for the entry for me.

don't that's the rule. Always missed this, the .

pan.

i'm time. I think it's like, it's crazy numbers to like goop sees hopes.

I just forgot about that three hundred .

billion dollars.

Yeah, there we go there. So it's it's rules for the, not for me theyve never passed an on.

Come on, never, never. Pentagons accounting records is so convoluted that billions of dollars cannot be accounted red for charges, a new government report. Oh my god. Oh my god. That is so crazy. never.

Yeah there. And you'll go to jail. If you don't pay these, you will go to jail. Do not paying your taxes.

And funny, it's so funny. Despite having trillions of dollars in assets and receiving hundreds of billions of federal dollars annually, the department has never detailed its assets and liabilities in a given year. For the past three financial years, the defense department's audit has resulted in a disclaimer of opinion, meaning the auditor didn't get enough accounting records to form an assessment. Like I would .

have paperwork .

with the money go. I forgot gotta.

I'm just a, i'm just a military guy.

We are just trying to keep amErica safe. Yeah IT have ove. It's going to UFO. If it's all it's going to UFO, it's going to some propulsion research thing that they're doing to got UFO that is not telling us what are they spending IT on, how much of IT is getting greece to aside pockets of people.

But even then, from a transport perspective is not shake out for us because if we are saying, yes, hey, we're going to spend I don't know. Let's just call IT one hundred billion dollars on like black fund experimental technology to maintain our strategic tragedy yeah .

do you think that we would all be like.

no, I mean, it's Better than not passing a flock and out IT. We're really right where goes.

but rather you tell me that you can tell me, then tell me you don't know, tell me you can tell me. Despite costing more than one point seven trillion in its estimated lifecycle, attempts to all of the program have run into major of the f thirty five. So this is just the f thirty five.

Thirty five. I had some proportion money, one point seven trillion probably. I've i'm sure look, if area of fifty one exists.

And now we know that does. Sure, IT was a real base. They said IT wasn't a base forever.

And then during the obama administration, they had to expand the boundaries because surveilLance equipment and binoculars and telescope, you're getting Better and more sophisticated. And they were filming things that we're flying around. They should have been filming, so they expanded the boundaries.

They had to say that every fifty one exists, right? So what was that? Where to get the money?

Would you do? What do you doing down there?

Why do people say, F, U, F, S? What the fuck are you doing? Why do you have a base in the middle of fucking nowhere that's built into the side of a mountain? Like why you guys acting like this is an avengers movie? What are you doing out .

here once you going to goes back to you? Just transparency.

like where you can tell me because you think i'm a fucking and baby, like the same reason why you think .

can have mushrooms, the same reason why we can't have full disclosure of the J F K. Asinine, right? There's four thousand documents. Even if we talked about the .

gfk fascination.

you think .

we like going .

down the rap of.

but maybe not, I don't know.

My theory is like IT all goes back to baa pigs. It's all ba pics, it's all cuba, it's all bia pics. And looking at IT from a per military C I perspective and thinking about IT from Allen dollars, which obviously like he's in charge the warn commission after Kennedy fired him, giving everybody some mary extension doll airport, which is the brothers a single most too powerful fucking in people in washington even during the german but either way, so what happened, I think, was so Operations AA, which is also George H. W.

Bushes first oil company that he supposed left fuck in connecting, went out after his yell, you know, is yield ten years after world or two years, like i'm gonna be an oil guy and start fucking zpa oil yeah, of course. right. Even is that dad's best friend with Allen dollars? sure.

Anyway, so. So Operations a poa, which IT turns into the bar, peggs and Kennedy gets red in on this. He says, yes, let's go.

And then when IT comes down to the day, like, and you've built fourteen hundred and twelve, thirty hundred and four years. C, I, A former cuban exile army you've built IT in. Allen do has been the main architecture.

He's been the main architect behind this. You've got all these guys. So let's even go back. These are all O, S, S, world war two. World war two, guys.

That is, let's create a clear deLinda between what they're doing and what they what they think the president is doing the president like, yeah, yeah, he's elected. Fuck that guy. Were the agency like, that's the way Allen dos actually run things.

He wouldn't have the time. He won't brief the president on what he was doing in. So he puts together this thing clears through ison hour.

Ison hour says, yes, let's go take this fucking in. You know, cuban comes out. They put together a eleven hundred man force.

They've been training on this. They've secret bases in guana, ala. They've got all these per military CIA guys. They're ready to take the beach. They're expecting air support because without air support, that changes the entire tactical equation.

Like if you don't have our support, there's a lot of things you just don't fuck and do, period. So the morning of Kennedy denies air support for the biopics. So the morning of so these dudes are taking the beach is a hard core like C.

I, A trained paramilitary guys, cuban exile in world war two, hard core regime change combat veteran like these are the hardest mother fuckers on the planet that we have. He pulled her support. He left eleven hundred guys on the beach to die.

Basically, these guys all get rolled up. So they lost about sixty guys. Twenty four sixties.

The name of the the brigade. Sixty guys died, a thousand plus cut put in cuban prisons. Now I got next grand.

You just pissed off the entire C. I. A paramilitary organization. I don't know if on the president, I don't know how.

I don't end up with a moonroof to be answer with you like I just pissed off the guys that are actually in charge of like assassination, paramilitary, all of the dirty deals around the planet. I fire Allen dollars for this catastrophic of the bear pig. I've got a thousand plus guys are in prison in cuba.

I've got the entire former O S S S hard core anti communist st, anti castro organization C I, A piss off. If you don't think there are going to tear a guide up like some. You know comi oswell guy in a you know multiple story building in dallas.

If you don't think you're going to end up with a hole in your head, you're crazy to be honor with you. That's really i'm looking at this so end up get these guys out. But man, he pissed off a lot of super capable guy. Means opportunity intent, means opportunity intent, which is now you left me in my boddy's on a beach in cuba bro, you are not going na get out here on ced. I'm just yeah, that's my theory.

I think that along with all the other stuff means there was probably a bunch of people that did not want him around. He wanted to get rid of the sea. He he had his eyes on the federal of there was a lot of crazy talk about secret societies.

And you know, you ve seen that speech about secret society. yeah. And there is, he's A A real threat. And as soon as you can get those killers to one amount too, well now you got a problem solved.

Well, you had a bunch of guys that thought he soft on q he was soft on russia. They had to want to dirt on hand because he's he's banging a butcher checks, all of which okay, you know, maybe it's true, maybe it's fall, I don't fucking know, but I I think it's very valid at this .

is pretty true.

And you've got you have A A collection of people that are thinking this is a zero sum game. This is a cold war. If you're weak on russia and you think that the guy is gonna bend is, you know, it's going to bend a nee to the bear. We've got a lot of you've got this confluence of interests where is inevitable and is also not univerSally loved.

We think of them as being univerSally loved because he's dead yeah but when he was alive, like there is a lot of people that were not fans of his in the red states, probably particularly dallas, driving through dallas.

L. B, J. That's what's .

amazing about IT really is how sloppy the whole from shit, the whole thing from autopsy to the fuck and magic bullet lane on the journey to having to come up with the magic bullet theory because the richer and the underpass like it's the whole thing is so collumpsion. It's like such a shady explanation. You couldn't kill one extra guy and say, there was another guy over here.

We killed him too. Yeah, you guys, this is such a shit job. You guys, you know, one other idiot, get out one of the idio giving a bad rifle and just pocket shoot.

M, but they don't have any, they don't have the context of what we have, which is social media, right? Of course. Mean, when did the approved film .

was twelve years later, and IT was on the horrida reversion, which in greg dick gregory, who is a stand up comedian, brought IT on the horde river .

show are you .

series I dick gregory, who is a stand here, he's a lot more than he was an activist. But like a real one, you know, not a not in any way some sort of a social value grifter, which I think a lot of people like gravitate towards activision because he is them a chance to be really shady because they're right. He was a brilliant guy, but he was also a guy who, like, was a truth seeker.

Back when I was really hard to get to the truth, this guy had to acquire a copy of the super udo film when in time, life got a hold of IT, apparently like right after the, and they just kept, just kept IT. They just kept IT. And when you watch IT, you realize why they kept IT.

Because you see his head go back into the left. And IT looks like he does get shot in the neck from the front. He holds his fucked and neck like this he doesn't hold back with.

He holds his neck like this like that's impact, that's where to hit him. And then his fucking in head goes back into the left. And we're supposed to think that this fucking guy did all this from the school depositor.

Maybe he did take a shot or two from the school book to post story. I I don't think he was innocent. I'm not at the like.

It's a binary thing. The lee harvey oswell was a pati and the CIA killed them or learning oswell acted alone. That's a stupid way to think, I think for sure they use them.

They they probably gave him a rifle. He might have been in that window. He might have just been in the building.

He might have been in the area, who knows? I think he probably didn't shoot that cop like when they were chasing after seemed like he did kill that cop. I think he wasn't asset.

But I also think there was a bunch of people shoot in the president. And if you look at that air, you've been a daily you've been there yeah when it's a weird it's weird to it's weird oh, it's a than I is tiny. It's really little like when people say couldn't make those shots, I shut the fucking is there is .

right up like litter.

You look up in the billing and yeah scope, at least at a scope that was crazy about the kid. They tried to kill the president, but try try to kill trump. He didn't even hear iron sites.

which is in state.

but it's not if you just go to send a mass but this deals do not for a headshot one hundred and forty arts and he's probably never shot anybody before. He's a twenty year old kid that they do somehow another Operation, M K ultra mind foco m in the shoot natum or he's on some crazy medication or or IT was the fuck happened?

But you know, it's a mobster. Some like happy stands mob is so passionate about Kennedy like i'm gna kill .

how people are let a man with the pistol it's so dum do IT then you know what happens.

right? Yeah that before no .

jolly west .

visit in jail .

and he goes crazy jelly west, who is the head of M. K. Ultra jolly west, was the guy who got Charles man in the acid alleged from the book chaos. He goes into IT joy west went to visit harvey oswald. I exceeds me jack ruby, jack ruby on the the ground underneath his unk crying in the feedle position that they're murdering the juice with fire and he's tripping balls, this guy doing up with the acid blue, his fuck and brains out, and then they probably injected in with cancer, hundred percent sea later. Fuck face.

I think you have this outside, so we want to go all the way back and you like to on, okay. So dollis knows that eventually the president is gone. Like they're going to snuff f amount, they are going to fire him.

Dollars decides that he's gonna have this whole separate C, I A. That's C I A. guys.

But they're all really very trusted in in in internal external l guys and I think those guys are essentially his guys um and they get hung out to dry in the bay pigs. They're not attributable to the C I A of the lucifer iliad documents. I think don't just get fired and they're like, okay, let's go.

Let's like alan dos didn't want to be answering to the president because he didn't answered to the people. He was answering to a bigger call in his mind he's answering to this is an eminent threat. The big communist bear is going to comment either lunch, so he's answering to the greater good, which is a reason for like the backtrack of the cold world, is a reason for a lot of this nefer ious activity like angleton.

Like all these directors, everybody looks to these guys is like really nefarious characters. But you have to paint everything the backdrop, the the cold war, like we're doing all this stuff to save america, right? And i'm not validating them with them. They have we have .

to understand that prospect. Yes, because that was a big thing .

even when I was in high school. This is the cold war that they're going to fucking kill us. new.

They're going. So we will do. It's very maclellan. That means justify the ants, right? Anything and everything to save the nation at any point in time.

So you have guys that are baptized in extreme patristic m in their belief is that they are doing things for the best of the nation and that if they have elected official, they can be trusted. They can be trusted. And there these are guys that are, I have to omaha and for the idiot.

These are is so interesting for me to think back on this, because these are guys are a world war two that that, like, they saw everybody died. You know, I mean, the soviet lost tens of millions of guys in world were two, they were defeated. Fascism, which is, you know, they are defining the nai party, know, the japanese army, and they've seen thousands of man die.

And they're serious guys. They're not, they're not light hearted. They're not fall in love like these are guys that are baptized in ultra violence, to the point of which this is a zero some game. And we have everything to lose and nothing to gain by being nice and nobody will get no way to being able to maintain the seventy, the nation. Once again, i'm not justifying that.

I can just get into the mind of them because if i'm jumping into not the occupied france and you know nineteen forty x, because OSS teams went in there and i'm get watching my friends get fucked and mode down by native machine guns and i'm killing nazis and i'm moving my way to overthrow hitler, and now I feel like stolen is the next thing that I have to defeat. But the american public just doesn't understand. I like i'm nineteen forty five men. I I have been quite literally baptized in blood and i'm not going to let that happen. Now you think about a high intellect type, a driven, ultra violent guy that maybe a cm Michael heart based on the the copious consumption of alcohol .

probable yeah, yeah.

okay. Well, all, you know, a lot of these programs start to make sense because these guys are like, they're fucking serious guys, and they think that we're gonna die in a nuclear hall cost. But and everything the means justifies that are very maclellan an I don't necessarily once again, i'm not trying to say that like every evil deed is justified.

I'm just seeing like i've seen the beaches enormity, I understand greater than a lot a lot of people combat and the the direct psychological and emotional effects what will due to people and I I can can see myself going, like if i'm a twenty six year old guy that just went for the nazis. And I think that the big bad bear is coming after me, right? Your prey, serious character.

did that feeling of the big bad bear coming after I got lifted with the fall of the berlin wall, with the fall the soviet union, all that stuff went away. The fear when I was a kid, that fear was everywhere. You know, i've talked to so many people that are like my age, or around my age, that remember being a child and being worried about a war with nuclear bombs with russia. IT was hunston IT was in the air when cruiser ve banged his shoe on the the the table and said, we will bury you ah I watched that video on youtube just like a month ago and it's still scary to flulike an issue and when he said we will bury you, was that direct quote or was that propaganda let me I won, feels fishy. I bet that one words like a little bit I think what is slippery than we will, barry you because, you know, I mean, like that relations .

that was a direct response to when we agreed we we have this mutual agreement between the soviets and crucial wasn't crucial, wasn't actually A A stolen. He was making very big reforms in in in the soviet union. And so he felt betrayed by the youtube spy missions that were taking place when we, after now, after they shut down the youtube spy plane in russia.

And because we lied, he was like, bang, bang, bang. And I am fairly certain that's what that whole thing was about, because I think ship was a man of honor and these fucking and guys resigned me. And I mean, something was a ship back.

Of course, crush p was like making significant reforms. Within the contrary, he was an end. He was, he was broadly condemned by a lot of the old, the, the stolen as video.

And I feel .

being the shoe.

the .

video is.

Scary language .

on the yellow IT I know put that under a couple pints of bika.

Someone was saying this, but it's so true. There's nothing in screen than russian muslims like the fighters is bad by fighter. Russian muslims of the fucked scarious fighters. Do I think that this is like one group that I would categorize, like what's the scariest I might be russian muslim?

On the CIA website, we will bury you threat, widely attributed to crush chef in western press, was reported to have been made at a send off reception, the poland muka in moscow november in one thousand nine hundred and fifty six quoted the time magazine, and Chris a was overheard to say at the ine final reception, the for the polish leader, if you don't like us, don't accept our invitations and don't invite us to come to see you. Whether you like IT or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.

So he said that the poland, but that was, wasn't in a police soner sting song. The russians love their children too. Wasn't a scorpions? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I think was a sting song, really sting song called .

the russians yeah, yeah.

But IT was the saying, crush have said he will bury you. So they probably he was probably some fake news, just like how they said about saying the very fine people on both sides.

It's always been it's been fascinating to me because I think about the russians and how many tens of millions of people they lost in world war two yeah and I think about very empathetically how they're got fucked. They really did I think and i'm nothing we did anything bad.

I'm just saying, like what we did was we delay the invasion of Norman d, and we felt like a lot of people think this is that we are trying to soften up to soviet union because we felt that that they were following threat in world war two. But we we delay the invasion intentionally, essentially till that, yeah, a lot of russians, millions of russians, essentially die on the eastern front. And when when you really think about that, when you know from those man, from my contexts, you you know combat from how I think about combat, how I think about death, mike, those guys had a significant action because they're like, we need fuck and help.

We need you to open up the western. I'm not validating stalling because once you going to think he's complete piece of shirt, I know you, but yeah yeah is a russian population knowing that we delayed the opening up the western front to go and take over essentially you know, he learn a nazi europe because at that point of you see, I wasn't just one person yeah we have a significant amount of mistrust with you guys because we want, you know twenty million people post the civilian population. I mean, some of and thirty million fucking people and you guys opened up Normally, came through and then you're telling everybody that you won.

You you're the reason one world war, you're not even giving us any validated credit. They they had invaded japan before we we dropped the bomb and uh in the japanese were just as terrified of the russians as they were the americans. However, I can see from the russian perspective going when we sacrifice millions of people to defeat the nates and you guys are basically giving us no credit.

So I think back one thousand forty five, like where where these guys, right, because are all about my same age, we went to combat roughly the same, same age. And there are a lot of people that were debating all of these issues back then, one thousand nine and forty five, nineteen forty six, they were talking about because not only stolen, but, you know, patent was talking about like, we needed to keep going, right? Patent was talking about like, we need to keep going.

We need to defeat soviet russia. And I was I I know you're crazy fat dude. I think that's what he said. You know, I think that was a ay .

for tude about that was .

so I I, I keep thinking about myself. And like those guys, I think about myself a lot of times to where you twenty plus years after the first. This is one thousand nine hundred sixty eight.

There is one thousand nine and sixty eight man from our war. So from nineteen and forty five, in one thousand nine and sixty eight, give, take, think about all these g what guys are being appointed. It's kind of a cool revolution. But sixty eight was a very important year in american history. I think twenty four was a really important year in american history.

Yeah, twenty four, the big one, the one where and right now was a big one. Yeah, think when people look back at history of these great moments of change and think about how, you know, people look back at the reagan administration when regan got elected when slide like to look back at those days, like we look back at like these historical moments. But I think this one is crazy than any of them.

This guy has kicked down, they try to put him in gl 猫 都不 打 shot that he says fight， fight, fight and then he wins. He wins in a landside when they're all saying that there was a close race. And the whole thing is just while to watch.

It's like, this is nuts like this. This shows nuts if you're watching the show on TV. Like these writers are fucked in amazing, whatever they're doing, they keep doing this.

This shows crazy. This twist and turns. You get your crazy billionaire character who doesn't even seem real, doesn't even seem real. This guys making rocket elective cars is first. There's no way by twitter because you want to save free speech.

what and sing.

And the people that used to love you have now hate him. The people that are driving in their testers around, I got they're angry, but they still have lease know still have your tesla. You hate you law and you hate eggs and john lemon said i'm leaving x. There's no good discussions to be had here.

Yeah, it's fucking bo who you don't like criticism.

You don't like criticism if you want to get into this game OK you want to get into the the online game, the online game different in the online game you you get judged by fuck can actually argued it's not about your producers in your teleprompter and shut up. You're on your own and people think you're stupid. You're gna hear IT and IT might be because you're stupid.

IT might be like people say, a lot of people stupid that are not stupid. I've seen people say brilliant people. I've seen people say elon mosque stupid.

I have seen that, seen i've seen this. You're gonna get IT no matter what. You're gonna get IT, everyone gna get IT. But if everybody saying you're stupid, maybe you might be stupid. You be stupid.

You might have been protected from that stupid by these network shows if you want exist online and you don't like criticism on on twitter or you think there's this information on twitter, community notes on twitter. The greatest fun thing is ever been created because people get to look through the community notes and find out, oh, that is bulls shit and here's why it's bulls shit or all that actually true. Even know sounds crazy and people are protested is actually true.

That's fun. That's good. yes. Do we learn some? If you can handle that, will you can go wherever where you go. Now, where you go, where you go, threads. But they work for a while, for a while. Yeah, it's not going .

to work if you had. I don't know. They are.

Yeah, I like, like a bird a lot. Yeah, yeah, I like a lot. I think he's a weird guy, but you have to a weird guy for your super genius hundred billion air was into judge who is where guy? But he's cool.

I like, i've had fun with them. Yeah, we played a fencing game together with virtual goggles was fun. Yeah ah we both put on the fences. We put on virtual .

is when he was like in .

hawaii and and do the same room fun. The new oculus is fucking cool, and you gotta wonder where that's going to be because when I first tried um the first very first oculus IT was kind of cool, but kind of crude in a way. And with each new version of IT, you get like it's much more or now used to be we had a cable and the cable was attached the ceiling on a wires so they can move back and forward.

This all these wires connected to you when you have the oculus, see, had to be plugged into the computer, actually. But now you're not. Now it's just on your head and now it's fucked.

And resolution is pretty good, damp good. It's in its weird like you do things, I can go to a comedy club, you sit the audience and there's all these other people. There is a comedian on stage.

It's fucked and strange. There's all these little online games you can play with other people, three shooters and shit, and you get goggles on. You feel like you in the game is real weird and most people are kind of freak doubt.

So I don't think it's like they went with that whole meta thing. They thought everybody's going to dive into the metaverse, but I think there's this uncanny valley between like you put the goggles on and you're in the world and you kind of feel, you feel uneasy, like this is weird. This feels weird. VR feel strange. A lot of people make some dishy.

They want to take IT off.

My wife is like that. Yeah, mine is too. But I think they're gonna get to a point where it's not gonna weird, like there's some commercial applications like there's a company called sandbox and they have this fuck in amazing game called deadwood mansion and that wood mansion you go into like this a warehouse space. They have one in Austin and they have one in woodland hills, where weeks ago was right down street from the studio you put gog's on and all said, you're in a match and you're got a shotgun and zombies are running at you from everywhere in your, oh, amazing. No, my family wants to play anymore.

Why is IT too intense?

I get very intense, very intense and killed domes. They don't like these growth. I might come on, let's kill zombies. Like for father's day, I made them .

come kills on bies with me. I think and love father today that he .

wants to kill zombies with everybody. It's fun. You get a shot gun and they run out, you're a blast their heads off and you get attack from behind.

You have a haptic feedback fast, and you see red when they are attacked in you. You see the splatter ers are red. And from your face and attacking you.

everybody wants to do that. Do everybody wants the I an if we are like h where in the zombie pops, how many do do you know they're like.

oh god, yes, some to be you. They're so slow, but these ones are pretty fast. The ones in this, some of them run at you.

They're run at you. Yeah, member, that movie, twenty eight days later, zombies are running. That is scary zombies. Yes, running zombies are the real zombies, the walking dead zombies to fuck at her bitch again. Me.

so disappointing. Like the first, like five seasons were great.

How are they not all dead? But how are not all the zombies dead? Just give .

more and more .

zie possible. So easy. I can't get .

enough ambition vies. Like, I love, I love, I love the post up.

I don't like darl using field tips.

So stupid.

you know, that drives me crazy. That drives me crazy.

And he's like, point adam back up and you like to come .

on and may be angry and flashings don't no .

pastor's. It's all just like sticking in their heads.

What the food you are you talking about this, the domains weapon ever?

Yeah, there that fuck and .

field tips got to go on. You don't have any Brown heads.

You gotta a put IT like as a solid like tribal or something on there and gets .

good like get a real true car. Yeah, think he was yeah like a montet those montet carbon steel send IT.

What is that one? The hide .

was yeah the hide yeah. And that did a lot of damage. I'm very impressed with that one because that one I got the one hundred and twenty five grain one which has a steel feral and IT um it's got a two inch cut with the mechanical blade in a three quarter inch cut with the fixed so IT doesn't make a big hole opening going to tico talk lays and gentlemen yeah two and three quarters um it's a broad head for arch.

It's the when IT goes in, that's when the blades open. So the rage, which I used to use the t to now the double version that opens up on the way. And so this is a big hole all the way in, but this one opens up inside.

So really you're penetrating with the fixed head and then once you're passed in, in the pressure is what makes other two blades go. So they really makes a pretty small entry hole. But the exit holes a crime scene.

The eggs at hole was a crime scene because you're going out with two and three quarter inches is just instant death for the animal. So like, super ethical. I think IT comes to like the amount of damage they can do, those mechanical.

They put animals down so quick, so quick. Yeah, there's something to be said for that giant cut that they make inside. It's just so different. Like camps, camp, he, he's using a catulle, basically a catapult. Yes, that four bay carnie thing.

insane. IT became chase in my life. I like, he really, did you like create a IT really big cool. Yeah, because I don't care what you do, just created giant hall. And that because you you're going to put the ero in the right spot. If you create giant hole, then you're going to have a great blood trail and you're going to find your animal. He rewrote my entire hunt sequence here because you .

are before that, you are penetration. Yeah right. Which is an on the way, looking at the right, if you're thinking about a cut, a cut that goes through the entire body is a very long cut and is always lethal if you get them in the vitals, but you don't get a blood trail and IT does, they don't die as quick.

The dying is quick. Thing is the one in to home last year that bell died in like less than ten seconds. How many seconds was seven?

If that .

eighty five ran .

up to the top of the .

hill and saying that because yeah.

you know your joe, like you're just the dude on the side of the mountain that was shoot in the oak or that I was watching like IT fucking died faster than anything i've seen even travel the right for in the chest cavity, right? So clearly different ating like, yeah, a hecht in a chess cake. I've never seen anything die that fast from an animal. IT was dead. I think there sometime .

to be said for those giant holes because it's just if you, especially if you have a strong bow, so if you have a bow that is a lot of connected energy and a lot of speed and you're shooting a heavy arrow and it's hiding that rib cage like the some for that big cut IT .

just stops them because are you at eighty?

Eighty four, eighty four. Yeah, the new, about eighty four, the new hoy is so smooth. H, so smooth.

I got IT. So they just came out yesterday. Yeah, I think that I felt so special.

I had one for a couple months, and I had to blur IT out.

I like such a champ and so I got the old one. It's not a big deal.

You Better IT is super accurate, like so dead in the hand like the the way the shot breaks. It's just like they keep make IT its smoother, smoother draw cycle. It's faster .

which so you're doing eighty four yeah, what are you garment? What's your? What's your per second .

on IT h it's two ninety three or two ninety four, three two and four, four seventy five, four seventy five.

Yeah, I bumped IT up .

because I went to those one hundred and twenty five grain heads, my bone from eighty pounds, eighty four of the new, and that kind of made up the difference. So the twenty five grains is basically the same kind of speed as with the the last one, which I had a foreign fifty Green arrow. So this like I think there's probably like a number you shouldn't go below.

I don't know what that number is. Like grains, like some people alcohol at three hundred grain error and a lot of people don't do that. Don't do that.

You can get away with IT because, well, my daughter shot a milk and IT was a pass through and trees got a fifty pound. Okay, SHE got lucky. SHE got lucky. You need some force to get in there.

Like if you're shooting five hundred on a eighty four on on a eighty four pounded five palm. Bo, so let's say you're doing even if you're doing to seventy, right? That's still .

massive energy, especially if you have carbon arrows. Yeah, I love those carbon arrows. With the Victories, with the slick outside, you pull out of target so much easier.

Who's making those?

The VS? They called the T, K, S.

Yeah, I like.

rip. T.

S, that's a rip.

They're ding that they have on IT is like, it's so easy.

I got like a tasks or something.

But you got to think that AIDS in penetration to IT hard to right mean. Isn't that what guys like the thin diameter like can shoot those? I don't know if he's doing IT now, but he was for a long time. He shoot knows four millimeter aras, great. He was real skinny ones.

But the four meal I like lighted knocks .

and the four millimeter with the lighted knox may be nervous, like because knox break sometimes, and they're more vulnerable because they get a little light inside of them, that being a big, solid piece of plastic, right? You know, I I always change him before hand. I always put fresh ones on.

I never trust ones that have sit around, never trust ones that are already. I'll shoot him a bunch times like for practice, but they break sometimes and especially i'm not paying attention. I might be accidentally touching arrows.

I did send them like I have fresh heroes for hunting, yeah but there the max same set up for practice. So that's why I like like the saver something like that because the savers, you can pin them. And then I think SHE shoot to shut out of those and then just not use the pen.

Yeah no, that's huge.

That's why I like them because I can shoot the same exact weight and dimensions and I know the flight characteristics are going to be the exact same. R sometimes when you get those um practices, yes, they're different. They actually have different uh uh flight characteristics because the way that they're put together is not exactly the same. And I believe in the fact it's like, hey, man, if you ve got A A slight fin on the front and it's a different fin on the back, even though it's only an inch, you still have to be one hundred person consistent to maintain the same .

five acts yeah that's why when guys get real nerdy about like what helix, like what kind of helio you have on the veins and like what kind of twist, you put your veins and you have to have the know a single bevel blade, the twist for the broader and the exact same direction, you'll get a right twist with left veins, then you will get off fucked up. But there are ideas that you try to get the broader d to spin through the animal. That's the whole idea behind its single bevel.

Is that do you think that's true though?

There's something to IT yeah, there's something to single belles because the cut, the way the edge cut. So for people listening, single bevel means the edge angles in on a one side. Double bevel means that comes together as a point, right? So think of a blade, but a blade with only one side that you can, you know, you see, like where the steel is, is ground down to the edge.

The other side doesn't have that. So the idea is that, that creates this angle and that when you're spinning, your error was spinning because the halles of your IT goes into the animals body cavity and the bevel in the broad head accentuate that spin and IT continues that spin through the body, causing like a world wind of trauma inside the animal. And that IT almost affect access.

Multiple blades because it's kind of spinning around. It's not just cutting a straight line. It's twisting. But the question is, like how much twist and is IT more effective to have like a four blade thing, like a four blade two to the arrow, like one you get those you don't think it's spin, the bell spin. I don't think that I think IT does a little because there's a guy named less archery and he um does these test on these things and he actually shoot them into ballistic jail and you can see them spin. So some of them do spin, but I think .

it's too complex though when you because once you have a rib cage, right and let's to say .

you go through the consistency .

and made ribcage, so say per predict lous p in in perpendicular shop from the rib cage right at forty arts. So I just keep all of the variables basically the same. Even then, there's no nicking of the rib.

There's no variation of the actual animal skin. There's no slight cording ways according to there's no so ballistic jail. I think there leaves a lot of questions for me.

So even though it's wisting in the politic jol because it's consistent, you're shooting IT directly perpendicular into a very consistent right format. Yeah and you're getting a consistent result. You're not going to get a consistent result. I just don't believe you're going to get consist result .

through a report. But that's the reason why a lot of people like mechanicals, one of they say is that the cut is so large when you get into the body cavity that you take out all the other variables yeah is going to do so much more trauma than something. There's just a slit blade that lets say you do hit that ribcage and IT does slice and only hit one long because IT deflected off of IT and IT doesn't spend at all.

And now you lost the animal, where as you get a mechanical that goes in there, IT create this massive fucking and hole. IT is always trauma going to two and three quarter inches of trauma going to anal. The ods of that animal surviving are gone if you get him in the body cavity, y're gone.

And i've seen people hit people with really good shots with small broadhead s and not do much damage. The point where the animal runs off, they have a hard time, blood trAiling IT. Even if the animal dies thirty minutes, sixty minutes later, you might have a hard time finding IT, especially if you bumped .

IT on a percent. I ve had that exact experience like multiple times with those little brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can, like I said, he change the entire what he's .

thought about IT.

Yeah, because he's a pretty big hole.

Well, he changed his thought about IT too. He was always a fixed guy oh yeah and then um who told him to do that a wage IT from a the body yeah wait said you got to try these carnivores just trust me, just try. Um so these things are crazy. Yeah, that opens up this four blade cat. He looks.

you look like one of turkey. Broadhead s yeah.

crazy. And because the design is just like the hides, IT opens up from the front. Yeah, so once it's inside, then it's doing all damage. So you don't have to worry about IT getting destroyed, going in through rib cages and stuff as much as you do with other things because it's really just onna get a little hole, go on in and then wants to see and then opening. It's kind of a perfect idea.

The only thing is that people don't like like daddy doesn't like a is a big holding outside like I talk to dudley about IT is like I want a extreme trauma. I just want to extreme I want a one big giant cut with all that energy going through that. Like he think of IT, like sticking a sword, like through the the animals body, right? And you know, obviously he's won the best by hunters on earth two. So like there's a bunch of different philosophy on IT, but I think the idea of the mechanical blade is legit. And I like the hybrid idea the best because then you always have a fix played no .

matter what I like. I like the hybrid. Obviously, this was great because I like the hybrid a lot more than going their peer mechanical .

or peer fans and feel yellow insurance pols yeah yeah.

So like the best of both world yeah like I call what's good to keep consistent with this? Everybody I talk to, you know, they have past year, several years, they have all different opinions, which is broad heads are like, you know, asks everybody goes a flux in different open you, your john house, his opinion. Calm house, his opinion. Everybody has an opinion, like my body, then all shape ever watch this is.

yeah.

he's guy, his opinion. All these guys have opinion. So i'm just trying .

to like there are successful, that's the crazy thing. It's like you trying to have sort .

IT out and who's right. So i'm just trying to like create the data ah and put IT down into what works for me. And I don't have any sponsorships, some which allows me to be fairly empirical in the way that i'm actually selecting the criteria. But I do also don't have the rap these guys do either. You have to to rely on their their data and then collect all of IT and then kind of put IT in one, one.

one case. Yeah, yeah. No, no, absolutely. I'm always fuck around with that's one of the good things about archery is all that tinkering. You know, there's like so many different things you could try.

Like this year, the first time I tried to fifteen in front bar and I went to a fifteen in front bar with a twelve ge backbone. Wow, I like IT so much Better because yeah because I was using equivalent zer. And the problem is with wind is a sale. That sale just pushes your pin around too much.

I love ah oh yeah.

it's a great look. The equivalent ze, he's different years. It's a great invention, but I find that with wind in particular on the bounce, so I would get from the equivalence zer I can get from the music of cutters stabilizer with the fifteen and front on a twelve ge backbarah.

And it's perfect. It's hold so good IT hold so nice is is so IT feels so dead. On this year I went with a ten degree, a downward angle of the.

I was going to ask you about that, why why did you go with down versus what what matters, whether or not it's now doesn't make any sense.

IT doesn't make any sense. But I was talk to these archers who do IT and leave. I Morgan does IT his. That goes at a downward angle, too. And I was talking as archer, and he said, IT, actually, for some reason, IT helps you hold Better like you feel IT IT locks in Better yeah the slight downward thing with when you're pulling back, there's something about the slight downward angle of IT that I let you hold Better with the same amount of way, right?

Because it's going in a different direction and just straightforward IT doesn't totally make sense, but I really believe in IT like when I started doing as like, oh, there's a little different field to this. I love that. I love all the tanker in. No, I love the tanker. And that's so much fun.

It's so much fun .

because it's it's like there's all these different ways to do IT. You know, there's all these different releases, is all these different styles of releases. There's so many different things you could fuck with. You could just go on a rabid hole after a rabbit hole. I know .

that's what I did. Unite, I would say like ninety percent .

of their tacks are .

around release. Yeah I released am I doing and I went I think I thought twenty releases this year over the course of twenty three, twenty four after know the the hunting season and it's fun. It's just pure fun. Yes because okay, dude, I know I got IT. It's like two hundred and fifty box. Sure you by release and I I fuck with IT for you know a couple weeks I get the person cons about IT and then I passed over to a what the guy that runs little boo p black river isac. I passed off him like so on any, but I don't give a lot about this thing.

I got a box of them. Yeah, I I got a box of different releases. I've tried everything from four finger releases to two finger releases.

What I really like is that one with the clicker that honest with the click. It's because there's little click. And then like a shoot that is good, as I can show to inch. So you have the best of both words. You get like the ability to make a go off if you have to after some weird situation where you are, you have like a literally split second to make a very close shot. You can get away with that, or you could shoot at a long distance target and feel just as comfortable as you do with the hinge, because IT is something about having that little click .

and .

that onex clicker, like, once you feel that little click.

you know, it's pun y exact opposite. I hate that fucking and click like when when .

I on the click.

我看 我 发给你， i just want to .

go IT does fuck with your head but one thing he does is that puts all your concentration in the shop process instead of like hammer in the trigger just what you hear that click pull through and so it's such a delicate little click that once you get IT in your head and you shoot with out a bunch of times, you like.

welcome IT 好 OK so you you're like， come looking forward here and .

the click like tp, and we're right there. And it's like that one extra step that gives you this one extra little piece of concentration. Joe turned to talks about IT in the whole shot.

I, Q, E. Processing he developed. He developed on its clicker, developed OK. cool.

So that one little thing, that one little click, is what separates them from a regular trigger and the bobo. And then you get all your thought process into the shot process. We're just making sure you do a good shot.

Uh, OK i've use IT I it's a thing you've got to get used .

to look over else like but then you talk to cam hazy just fucked and hammer that trigger.

right? She's everything.

So it's like some people can't do IT that way. It's it's weird everybodys got a different way.

They like to do IT IT pisses me off so bad because I see like, someone boddy like then Chris Johnson is the country music and we were like, he and I ve wanted together a few times. I call out his hamers the trigger. It's the crazier thing you've ever seen. You're like, just like w .

like how cam does IT and I look like touches .

off every time like, oh my god man, how are you like getting the target like just center mass just over and over again?

Yes, I think it's a mind fuck that a lot of people put their head into that you're gonna get target panic and that you can control your emotions during a shop process to the point where you command trigger. But that doesn't make any sense to me, doesn't make any sense from like I can understand the logic aspect of target panic.

But I have a feeling that IT comes from two different things that comes from buck fever, which is like you're freaking out. You never shot a buck this big before. All my god is right there.

You free. That's Normal. But that's an experience thing. And you have to learn what that is. And if you do with a bunch of times, then you get to the point, like, oh, I know how to control myself, I know what this is.

And the more often you do IT like, if you can go on a couple of pig hats and then go on in an l count, you're way more in the group way. You're like, right there. You know what to do. You know how to do IT. And you could touch the trigger off on a percent camp.

Does that every guy damn time? I think IT comes from the target artery community, because I think those guys are staring at these fucking and little tiny exes from twenty ards and they've got a shoot thirty seven around, right? And I think you get mind fucked and that's why those guys have hinges always cozy and forty and fuck and stabilizers and views that come out the back.

And it's all about not move and plot plot. But that's not go hunting. And we were talking about this that I think the different train go hunting and target arteries like the different train doing free throws and playing basketball.

right? Yeah.

free throws. Nobody is fucking with you. You're on the line. You can measure IT. You can sit there and you could throw IT different sport basketball.

you're running in around and you to support hunting is .

basketball. Target artery is free throws that's what I think yeah, that's what I think. And I think you can't tell a guy like campaign ing at the wrong way that if the best guy does IT that way, you have to go.

Okay, why do we think you can do IT that way with psychological? It's all psychological. It's all panic. It's all not being able to control your nerves. If you can shoot perfectly that way at a target, you should be able to shoot perfectly at an animal. You should be able to the different of it's not the animal isn't like some fuck and invulnerable thing that you have to do IT a certain way or the the frequency is not correct now it's an animal. It's like just a target.

The army markmanship team is not delta force like that's .

very different, very .

good shooters. Army markmanship team, probably extremely profession shooters, may be even Better so than delta. However, it's a different scenario based actually completely different.

Yes, yes, yeah. Just because you should accurate at the stationary target doesn't mean you understand .

how of the freak when you have a horse coming in with swords on attack, free to fuck a different thing. Man, scream and say, i'm super honey, i'm going to fuck you, i'm going to kill you. I don't know you like.

could you imagine if you came over from europe and there was no alc over there and you were camping in the words you are those first guys, stupid fucking and burn lap cent in here? The demons.

this fucking, you don't know, do you like this is thing going to going to run me through. It's guy one .

hundred percent can to kill you. I would be .

more scared to that than a bear. Yeah, this is giant .

swords on this. If IT runs straight actually pales you .

and I won't bear though.

feel grab a allier if I hadn't seen any one .

of these before and like something comes in and it's got giant pointing things on the side and i'm like trying to be completely blanks late and i've got this other fuzzy thing that I currently see. It's like claws and teeth. Like I gotten way more afraid to this thing with swords on .

the head size there. He depends on what kind of bear we're .

talking about like this a little black. Er, I don't give you about .

that. It's eight hundred and eighty pounds, hundred and .

seventy pounds dressed cy new in .

new jersey.

That's the east coast. How is that possible?

They have the most, they have the most black bears per in the whole country. We played one hundred times the video of the bears restroom in middle of neighed od and far rockaway. Big fuck and black players just go on a war in the middle street.

I had my group in this medal of, like, log in community at the moon. Nowhere hers is due to use to keep we, I fight hoods on million and nowhere do it's like so hill jack, but it's awesome and my grandfather everyday they're all hard core loggers. But i'm not exaggerating. We had a guy just outside the town that a pet bear, a pet black bear.

I said, I mean.

a full grown foot in that pair.

You oh my god.

He would just, this is the sad part like he had, like, defended because he was slower on people and but he had a four one black bear that would suck on his ARM, basically.

And yeah, and a couple people, accident. So we made them gummy.

Yeah, gummy. Ah.

what do you feed?

IT, who the ck knows?

Man, I like .

when I think this, these are loggers. These are.

these are how long that he had this bear.

You, I tend to like little crazy, turn down the volume on my red neck of bringing you.

He think this is yours, just no drive by IT on .

our way to another town. And he had a fucked and bear in his front yard in a cage. IT was same dude.

oh no. That was just run around. No, no. I kept IT in .

a big cage. Just imagine he never let IT out. No, you're later all time. He's like, fuck and walk IT around.

The guy was a complete .

in samper's. Oh my god, and my uncle, not great uncle, is like eight years old, completely crazy person to tell himself how how to fly back in the day. Came back from world war two.

He was on navy. He was an easy navy ship, ship guy. Time of how to fly. You would fly around this piper super cub in back in the day you get a bali for couper tales.

So he had a Walker hound, and he would put him in the front side of his piper super cub, fly around looking for tracks. Land is plane fucking nowhere. Kick his dog out. He tell me these stories. And I mean, I hunted this guy forever.

And the dog find the bear.

Yeah, punch him out on the bear, the cougar, whatever IT was. Treat IT. Treat IT. Shoot with a twenty two horn IT, because his whole thing was you let them bleed out in their a longs and then they fall out of the tree.

You don't want to shoot him with two big vocab because he knocks him out of the tree and they run around. If you shoot with small calibre and pension pull fung, their lungs follow up. Oh, they drown and they fall up.

And this is what? Like, my, see. So ball was my my uncle back in the have .

back up gun. Oh yeah.

Like, this guy was completely insane. He had, like.

comfortable with the cougar in a twenty two duty.

This guy was eighty years old when I was hunting cookers with him back in what the pain handle light at home. And he he would tell me story. And I only go hunting with him to listen to the stories because they were the best fucking stories on the planet.

He crashed his plane. He got fired from the smile. He was dozen, the tower buzz, the tower crash.

His song complain into his bosSonians ice and like, fuck you, i'm out here. He was a complete and same person, and he has told me the other story. And these are like the summarized version, the, the, the, the, the Cliff notes of IT.

But do he would bake cougars in the mille amounts by himself? His flies plane landed at the middle snow. Find a spot, forum bay cookers. They had this cooker open, this logjam above a creek.

And he was told me this, this cougar tucked himself underneath the logs above the creek, in the snow, on top of the logs or logs. And then he was like crawling in underneath in the middle of mountains with, like a three fifty seven snub nose. He climbed the because he's like.

cooker is eating .

night to hawks and he's like reaching around my uncle, who had like three strokes by the time. And I was like to he's like and he started a little bit is driving like eighty miles an hour around like a crazy locking roads in the middle where i'm White nuckles that his toyota's commode with koger hounds in the back of the toyota gone oh my god, to fuck and die any moment he's like, yeah, yeah and I got my, you know, he like he he had had a slight starter, a snub nose, three, fifty seven, like a gangster. And reach underneath the logs and start pull the trigger once he found the right fur between the cougar and his dogs.

Oh my god.

this dude was completely insane when I came to doing things. This is my uncle. This is like the guy .

that i'm my king into the logs and felt his way to the cat.

Yes, with a snub nose. Whatever you three thousand. God to kill the google because is point up as dogs and .

eat as dog oh my god, holy shit.

When you talk about where I grew up and like the guys I grew up with because no, i'm a Greenberry was like hot bucket by the. Oh yeah, more you're not like walking around the winds with the song and you're back, you know and like just jump on the planes I guess you know .

that's a lario. They looked down on IT like that's a easy job. So crazy .

is not interesting .

that .

this like levels .

of discipline and hard work in the world is there's like if you want to be a lower, there's no easy lower job. They don't exist. That is a hard fuck and job.

Those are hard men. Yes, you want to be a larger and you going to do IT for thirty years. You chop and Carry trees for third fucking years, are going to be lived in the woods shopping and Carrying three trees for thirty .

for ten years in like falling trees, rapper big cables around them in the back, all you Carried a backpack through the wood. And that's pretty cool. I mean.

you think about the different like groups of people that live these extreme lives, and how many people are at the coffee shop of blue hair that are totally oblivious? And I think hard work is like, you know, i'm dealing with my trauma and i'm going i'm going to starbucks to data protest. IT is a guy with a log on his back, and he seventy five years old, and he can't wait to get off words. So we can kill cookers with .

a pistol with a fuck in three.

And we all exist on the same landmass.

This sim do .

that looks like .

he's like building bikes in eighteen hundreds with the bucket mask like lacked up and you've got another it's like eight years old. This had three strokes. It's driving around in the mountains. It's running up a mountain in a six minute mile chasing his dogs to go kill a google. No, not the same person, not the same order of priority is probably .

a lot of those guys back in the day. Yeah, bet that was a common type of human in like eighteen, twenty yeah you an at all. That was how you had to stay alive.

You live to be about forty. Then you had a stroke. Everybody died. Nobody got any. Eating fucking in corn meal and cruel and try to eat squirl fuck. You're barely getting by like .

you're eating you're be eating a pair. That's how fuck and nasty they preferred bears.

Yeah that's crazy. Apparently they they thought a tasted like beef. They cooked a lot of bears.

Some of the gross, the grizly is apparent a super growth. I can just released a new video, redemption, a grazy and good, great video. But he ate the bear, like, was okay. And then I talked to James is like, he was fucked and horrible orrible this disgusted. But blackboard didn't takes that bad if you get IT from a good spot apparently like analysis, like the blueberries.

bears have been the best thing, I think also relative to bear meat.

So there no, he says it's like a great taste.

I don't believe that.

I believe you don't think he was like flavor with that. All the eight was blueberries. I need to promise they eat so much rotten shit yeah.

And that affects the way they taste. But I think if they're eating only blueberry like jersey is video, with the blueberry fat, it's purple. Fat is crazy. He said that delicious, he said, is so delicious, I believe him.

I I love and liar.

I still.

he's awesome. He's so much going to come with and he's so but I just firmly disagree. The one or mike bro, now.

what is the best tasting game animal for you?

Most interesting. Hundred percent good. And for me, for my kids, move is the only game animal my kids who are like, yeah really they are one hundred percent chips and they look forward to IT. Not only to look forward to IT the request, it's only game me that's interested .

that's a very interesting .

like acting elk, but i'm the only one in the table eating interesting yeah .

yeah I only shot one moose ever and I ate IT and I remember I was good but that was with beno brian like ten years ago. But I haven't had a lot of experience with for me. It's access deer in alcohol, the two best ones.

Elk first, access to your second. Yeah, you like access. I love access. It's crazy what IT taste like, right? Doesn't taste a no, it's like this is a different.

It's it's beef. It's like a clean sweet. Yeah, it's a clean beef. Here is an .

interesting flavor. And the fact that you know they have so many of them, why like that? Mali new events cent company for people want to buy wild game.

You can get actual wild game from mali new venison. It'll give you access to er frozen. They have meat sticks. It's fucking great. I'm not affiliated ated with them. I know the owners, but i'm going to do with them is but a great company and they're doing something that you actually have to do. There is no natural predators on mari, so they they have to shoot these access to are fucking everywhere.

They're like their rodents, basically in their delicious road.

It's a crazy animal hunt too, because they grow with tigers. So they evolve with tigers. Something move, so fuck as fast. There is the fastest animal i've ever hunted.

I shot at a doll at thirty ards beit and SHE dodged the arrow. He does even make sense.

They move so far. He doesn't .

even make I start shooting them longer distance away because the arrows quiet and they can't hear the string slap. yeah. So they can't hear the bow. So I started to shooting them a little bit further away.

If you we stop hunting them in the day because in the morning there's no wind. We started hunting them only in the afternoon because there's more wind. The wind at least covers a little bit of IT.

But double got video of me shooting the sexy at at arts. And it's a perfect shot. perfect.

It's going right to the vital. That s perfect break. And then ten yards with the irs, ten yards from my goals, and he's gone. Within ten yard, he was gone. He was nowhere near where the area he is.

Your, he heard the arrow .

coming and he moved, by the way, ten yard from. There's a video of a slow, more video, because is a lighted knock perfect line, had a straight for his vital, then gone, gone.

not even like.

not even close, like a bullet. I missed him by like a whole quarter. He was gone.

He just ran away. Like they hear things. They think that tigers common.

They just go. They just go and just makes you feel so slow. When you watch out the movie, you like people suck. We're so fucking column y and soft and we're so vulnerable. My backyard now.

my aero is moving in three hundred fifty per second, has no chance, no, no chance, no chance.

no chance. Especially the bogo off, hear the go off. They're going and they're delicious and they are everywhere in texas, too.

That's the wild thing about texas. You could just bring whatever you won in. Well, you want zeb. You can bring zebras. You have .

zebras have.

Look at zebra. My wife saw zebra one day, which was driving the kids school.

No.

I saw zebra. I think I saw zebra. So you probably did some S O, probably as a zebra.

Or the zebra got out, my kids would be like driving around. Let's go look at the ebra OK. Let's go look the zebras.

You can have ebra. And but I love you, I love IT that you can go to like when we went to that plays down in south texas that ran to my friend oes, when went down there, like there's african animals .

here yeah if these crazy black box .

and all these different animals are not for anywhere near here and there's thousands of, like this is nuts .

like you shot that new .

guy yes yeah yeah. But .

everybody says that a the best meat ever. So put her on the scale associated everything is really good.

It's all really good. All wild game from a healthy animals, delicious. I find at least eight Angel ets.

They're delicious. I've never found one that I didn't like, but I still think elk is the best. That is my, i'd like the flavor also.

I like accounting so much. That means more to me. And eating a piece of elk, I think i'm just biased.

I think if is anything is I just like eat them. I like eaten them. And I also think it's gone to sound crazy. But I think you get their spirit.

I think there's something about these super potent wild animals that you kill with an arrow and then you're eating IT like you get the experience of that experience, the spirit IT of that animal. I think IT IT empowers you. And some a very strange physiological way. I really do.

I think that they're so vitamin rich, like there's such athletes the way they run up a mountain, like you're getting these nutrient from that animal, that all things that like any other animal because they're so much stronger than all those other animals, they just run, they have nine other pounds. They run right off the top of of a mountain side. Like it's nothing and like this is crazy. You watch someone, they get winded and they fuck and run over the top of the hill that takes you thirty minutes stuck to crawl up this just run up IT. When you eat that thing, you like what you just feel that you feel that in your your body feels that you get up like a will boost it's .

let tric I feel the same way I given IT to people that don't even .

hunt yeah and they go do I feel so good after eight this I hope yeah there's something to that. It's super food.

IT is a super food. My neighbor's, when I gave them, you know, elk or whatever IT is they're like to, this is amazing. Yeah like, yeah, this is what IT feels like to be a hunter.

This is what IT feels like to go out kill something. Process is put in a package and it's special, it's meaningful. It's a whole celebration. And I hate to say like that, but IT is like, this is you said IT earlier and actually I wanted would you call like a sasson for your food or yeah .

yeah supermarket is.

Yes, supermarket is. This is the difference is over here. You think this is want to taste different to there's a definitive meaning you're associating with. So there's no way that you can tell me there's not a psychological and nutrition news between those two where IT makes something more meaningful and beneficial specifically for there's just no way you can tell me that not Better.

right? Like a good meal with people you love, I feel like gives you extra nutrient, almost like an extra good feeling about why people like eating together. You know, eating good food with people care about and you having fun, the whole experience is Better for you are overall being it's a difference .

between like jack enough and a porter party and eating a meal with your fucking and family, right? It's like there's like a huge difference. Like one is like the gross and a very shameful and disgusting.

And once a jack box cheese burger doesn't elk that you cooked on your own grill, yeah, yeah, it's a big difference, man. Yeah, it's a i'm glad found that I say that it's it's also, it's so hard to do you we both have our trials and tribulations, uh, elk bow hunting and it's is so difficult to do that.

The people that do at well you, the people that are successful but you know what harder is to do you like god damn pulled off like that's a hunting elk with a bow in the wild. A real thing. Even the places we go or Better, they have more help and stuff is always hard, folks.

It's hard, always. The problem with the public land thing is the public are, you have so many friends that have terrible stories about guys winding elk on purpose, blowing alcohol. They're competing at the same packs of all the same groups of hunters of compete against the same l groups.

It's like, it's crazy like you, you, these these herds of animals are getting like winded on two and three sides because people like move in and trying to get them right. You know it's just the the ideal situation would be that I think the ideal situation would be like, you know they're trying to do that um that american what is IT called the american selling getty project? They are try to like rewilded whole section of the country, they're buying up land and they want to like bring back buffalo and bring back all these animals.

If everybody like a one time in their life could have like some sort of a hunt where they like someone shows them how to do IT. Someone takes amount, they get an animal and they cook and eat that animal. If you're a meat either, I think at one time in your life you should try do that.

I think that maybe the solution for people understand what it's all about just one time in your life or even go with someone when they're doing IT one time. Just know what that's like. it's. IT ignites, a little part of your DNA that you do even know is in there. This is like a little part of us that for a tens of thousands of years, the only way we survived to something, yeah, thousands and thousands and thousands years just baked into our DNA.

And when you're in there and you're in those woods and you got that range finder and that alkis fifty two yards away and you see him walk through the bushes and, you know, you got a window and this, I got a part of your DNA that just go, yeah, this is what we're doing. This is what we're doing now. G in, g in.

Get the end. Bring back. It's like some crazy, like ancient primal code and didn't tell me was the same thing.

When you catch a fish, when you catch officials this excitement, you catch a IT that's built into your code. Because now you're gonna live, you're going to live. You've got food for your family.

It's in there a human reward system, and that's how we're supposed to get food. We're supposed to appreciate the food because it's hard to get. That's what it's supposed to be.

It's not supposed to be. So you never chase anything, you never go kill anything, just sitting they're eating. You're going and bow a posta watching T V.

easy. It's so easy, right? It's just it's not supposed .

to be that easy IT is you're gonna get anxiety. You're not designed for that. You're designed for like trauma and testing.

You're designed for struggle. You're designed to overcome things. And if you're not ever overcoming anything, you're fill with an anxiety.

Yeah, I don't deserve this. Yeah, like, what? How do I deserve this majestic fucking animal that just consumed? I don't know that. No.

I just pay for IT, which is weird, doing some weird job and then you get these hit man out .

there walk and cows supermarket. That's like the best is one of the best .

codes i've got. I mean, there's anything there's nothing groser in this country in factory farming, the gross thing ever. They have laws where you're not even the film .

IT because .

it's so gross egg laws. Will you go to jail if you filmed horrific acts.

which is completely insane? When you think about IT, when you think about how easy IT is to go get your food, people knew the three media. I i've never quite understand entire hunting that makes no sense, like zero sense. How can you think that this is a Better way where you're caging an animal filling up for full of like hormones and supplement mental nutrition, an in corn and all these things and then you're putting a ball through its head.

But i'm there at I had still about protest. You know got in my my hand, but now putting .

in in my mouth because I want to actually feel the of this event in the context of I I don't have any blood list. I just don't want to be a hypocritic.

right? It's also one those things like if you have an experienced, you really don't understand IT and when you trying to explain IT to people they're looking at IT from, like the cartoon disney version of hunters and movie version of hunters were all car did we should wrap this up because we got to go camp for dinner. It's about six o'clock. We've been many hours. Do we do?