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The joe rogan experience.

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guys？ You're going on like, I love these guys so much. Too bad. Is nothing going on?

Well, I heard you. You might have needed to cancel on us to get to kala Harris on.

I was not going to do that. Um I would have had to. I knew you guys flew from england and I wasn't going to cancel on you because I SHE had an opportunity to come so you could look at this needs, say, oh, you ve been a deevs but but he had an opportunity to come here when choose in texas.

And I literally gave them an open invitation. I said, any time I said, if she's done at ten o'clock, come back here. Ten oclock I got to do IT in the morning. I do IT ten P M. I do IT that she's up just so you know drink red bull fuck and party on yeah but I .

think this idea that you're being a deevs because you asking her, you're offering her the opportunity to do exactly what are the candidate did.

right? SHE actually reached out when he found out that he was coming on. So their camp reached out to me.

So I said, great, would love the doctor. But IT was very difficult to tie down. And a lot of they wanted to travel and see that.

The thing is like, you can't if if I go somewhere, then there's going to be other people in the room and they want to control a lot of things. I'm sure according to the the red brier interview on fox, like people are weighing more. That's a distraction.

People in the room like my whole goal with her and with him, just talk, just have a conversation like a human being. You find out things about people. You get a sense of them, at least a real sense that is that I don't give a fuck what we talk about a really done. I just, I just wanted talk to you, who the fuck are you?

Do you think they think that you're in his side? And then more ware of you.

I don't know mean there, just because of my appearance, there's always been this assumption that i'm some right wing maga guy. Just I was a bird supporter. You know, I am, i'm a politically homeless person for sure.

You know, I always considered myself A A left wing person. I never thought I would ever vote right away. But then the the tides of culture shifted in a very bizarre way. And IT just made me, over time, much more aware of what this stuff is really all about, because what this stuff is really all about is just these natural human behavior patterns and these tribal instincts that we have and overpowers all discussions IT overpowers was good for the collective group IT overpowers.

Everything is just people pick a fluke and team and then whatever that team says, if they can do no harm, they will do their best to marginalize the horrible effects of the further extreme version of that. Whether it's and tio or the proud boys, they're minimalize that it's the same thing, man, the same if you look at what's going on with the liberals right now. So progressives are they want the war in ukraine to be funded.

They want to sensor speech online. And they want to give the world health organization, which is deeply influenced by big pharma, including the fda, deeply influence the revolving door between the fda. And pharma could draw companies to sleep and dry.

And they want to give them control over what we take in what we don't take. That's crazy and that doesn't make sense because that's not what the liberals war. When I was a kid, my parents were hibbs. You know, if we lived in sanford cisco during the vietnam war, my parents were like straight ed up hippies. That's how I was raised.

And so for me, IT was always like, the liberals were the ones who wanted education and open minded dss, the liberals who the ones with the, as you let the nazis talk and will let them have a rally, they said, you can't infringe on people's free speech. Because if you infringe on the speech of people you disagree with, you have been a fucking and hibernate. You ve got the only solution of bad speech is Better speech.

We've always known that. But when they had the power over social media, these collective groups of people that all had the same ideology, and then that tribal mentality kicks in, and you lose the perspective that you should have as an educated, ducato person, that recognizes that everyone has to be able to tart, and we have to figure out who's right, and you might be wrong. You might be wrong and you might be cleaning to this idea that you're right and you're going to do the whole thing a terrible disservice.

You know, the thing that I loved about the left job was the anti establishment left, the left that were like, you know, we're gna chAllenge to, you know, what the parties in charge may be saying. You know what? I'd like you to listen to bill hicks when I was a kid, when I was nineteen, and go, you know, that to me was like a totem of the left.

But you just look at, you know, what happened to the left and and what I saw in my own country in here and and IT just seemed like this heard mentality came in. And the moment you stopped, you started questioning or pushing back IT was a moment you just found yourself excised from the group. And I just seemed that what I fell in love with at one point in my life no longer existed.

You, because it's bulls shit. And I think we should even stop calling at the left in the right because it's just tribes IT. Really that and that is the real problem when you have people that are supposedly progressive and liberal and they're opposed to the idea that free speech is an absolute right as an american citizen, it's very, very important.

It's very important because because too many people can decide what you can. I can't say like when tim also saying, like free speech doesn't apply to hate speech and misinformation. Well, of course he does.

First of all, of course he does, but also use IT misinformation. okay. Well, if that's the case, like where is all the punishment of all the people that spread misinformation during covered? Like where's the call where where's the call for accountability? It's nonexistent.

It's not real. They don't really care about this information. They care about controlling information .

one hundred percent man. And look, this is gonna sound like a party political point. It's not intended to be. But if we look at the fact, uh, from twenty sixteen hours we've heard a lot of misinformation, yes, that a lot of IT a of IT and nobody ever got punished for.

that nobody ever went to, are still positions .

power and still supposedly expected orbiters of truth and morality.

And I still making appearances on these cable news talk shows.

I think the concern about inaccurate information is perfectly valid and legitimate thing for us to worry about in an ecosystem where information travels so quickly. It's not an legitimate thing to can be concerned about, but you can't have one side lie called the other side out for its lies. And I go only that is misinformation. What we say that's oh, oh yeah we said that but we forgot .

about it's fine to that. This is inherent problem with business being entangled LED in information. And that's what happened when these tech companies exploded, right? So the business and enormous business, not small business business like google and facebook and apple and these are huge businesses. And all the sudden they are in charge of information unnecessarily.

Apple, but in a way because they they have like ban people from the apple store and ban people from but it's their their businesses and enormous businesses, but they're super left wing, not just super left wing, super woke left wing, which is I kind of the crazy st version of IT, where just there's no room for negotiation. They say anybody who disagrees a fascist IT kids like real weird, gets real weird with ideas. So you have, for the first time ever, human beings are capable of just with a device they Carry around with them that has unbelievable amount of power that device has.

First of all, you can be on IT for, like what, twenty hours? Now the new ones through like twenty hour battery life of just used staring at a fluent screen all day and you're getting connected with an infinite number of ideas that are constantly coming your way. And it's almost all in the hands of left wing.

The left wing party is google, facebook. It's all these companies that have massive power. And until ellan stepped in and bought twitter, there was no counter to that.

IT was just one side. And that's where things get really weird because businesses like to have monopoly out to crush things. And if you have the monopoly of information, you get essentially microsoft in information form.

You know, when they had the anti trust lawsuit against microsoft and people worried that it's a monopoly and there's people think that about google now and there's eating conversations about apple being a monopoly. Businesses love that. They love the kiss and dominate the business.

Your goal, if you run a business, you literally have a you have a obligation to your shareholders that you continually grow the business who's only one way to do that, you to takes some and if you you're the biggest thing and what what is in your interest. Well, definitely controlling the information we would like to control of them them. And we also want some cultural beach balls that we could shock around so people like get distracted and thrown back.

And fourth to each other. There is a bit of republicans that love the fact that to these gender firming care centers, they love IT. Because IT gives them something yellow about.

IT gives them something like, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them fun these things. Some people are fucking crazy and fucking crazy, especially if I was profitable. Maybe they got a some sort of a fund and part of IT is, but know these are privately owned sis.

The whole thing is just human tribal characteristic tics applied to the way we're supposed to lic co exist with each other and share the space. And it's all fucked up. It's all fucked up because it's the cobos veris, the raters once thing is straight yeah that's .

so true at election time especially becomes like that. But I am hopeful this election. I think there is one thing going on which i'm actually really hopeful about, which is, you know you had trump on on friday, like the conversation is moving from the click bay five seconds, mainstream media journalists, i'll tell you what to think to a three hour conversation.

You get to see the real person, if that continues, which I will. And by the time of the next election, this format will be the dominant. I think the type of person who is going to be selected for positions of leadership will be a different type of person. Than the type of person who selected on ten second sound bites on mainstream media.

But you certainly have a way Better grp.

The medium is the message. You will change the type of person to succeed in the.

they will rise.

And that gives us a chance actually to change the political leadership in western elites, which is IT is badly needed. And we've been talking about IT for god a knows how many years now that the caliber e of people coming through is not pie enough, right? If this format takes over, that will change. And I don't know IT might just be a small blip on the road down to live in, but IT might just be actually the thing that changes the type of leaders we left.

And that's excited. There's a bunch of people that are out there now that i'm very excited about one of them as the a big one tosi gabbert, t and R, F, K, junior. Of course, I love that.

I I love what he's done in his entire career, and I love what he's trying to do with health. I mean, this is a real issue that we all face and we're all being poisoned and they're profiting off of IT and we're not doing shit about IT. Meanwhile, you stop psychiatrically from being given the veterans to help them with ptsd doesn't make any sense.

This makes zero fucking sense. And they have so much control over what you say and do because if you can decide that something is it's unsuitable for the population, like like the drug schedule program, they have the united states, right? They have scheduled one, two and three depending upon if there's any medicinal use for IT in psychiatry.

Schedule one. That is crazy. If you're telling me there is no medication use, you could get thousands of people to testify in congress about soldiers in particular. I know so many soldiers, no one prepares them for that.

They go over there where the nineteen years old, and they see people get blown up, they lose their friends, they come back and then they're supposed to just integrate. And there's no fuck in program that can help you do that. There's you're on your own and you gotta sort through what you've seen that so different than all these people around you.

You have to sort through seeing your friends die. You have to sort through having to kill people. You have to sort through that and just exist. And then there is a tremendous amount of veterans to commit suicide is a crazy number. And psychology are proven to help that.

So the fact there's IT some sort of an organization that thinks that somehow another that is bad, that this thing that doesn't kill anybody literally like the L D fifty rate for Sullivan is something insane. It's like giving to take. It's like a hundred pounds of IT or something.

I don't know what IT is like. Let's find out what's the L D fifty rate, which means lethal dose at fifty percent of the population like what we kills half the people, just like you can't do IT. That's not what the concern is.

Are there concerns about people losing their marbles when they do IT? Yeah, there is concerns. It's not a fuck and free ride. You know there's some people that are mentally fragile and they have mental issues already. They shouldn't be doing that.

But for everybody else, there should be a conversation, would we figure out how to make the world a Better place? And one of the ways to make the world a Better places, to make people more kind, more compassionate and more understanding? And that's something that psychodeviant des.

And the fact that that is somehow another listed by a country that is the leader of the free world in the most information rich time alive. There's so much access to information, we all know what they really are and what they're not. And yet this organization that somehow, in this shadow organization that controls what we do tells you you can't have that if you have, if you go jail, that's bananas.

That doesn't make any sense. And as long as we keep stupid shit like that, people will never have hope that there's going to be a Better horizon, a Better future. They would think that all these things are so IT takes so long just for marijuana. Look, marijuana still not federally illegal, but it's legal.

And like half the states, IT took so long for people with their drinking whisky and every fucking and corner people are just doing shots and drink IT to key learn, marion is something that gets you locked in a cage as long as something like that exists is proposed completely. A logical. The good that deserves is the rule in class.

IT gets to rule without logic because they don't have, doesn't have to make sense. Fuck you, you're going to jail. And as long as they say, like, we raise your taxes, you got to pay him.

Fuck you, you going to but fuck and shut up. So if if there's like an illegal situation like that or any logical situation like that, rather IT makes you lose faith in the whole system. But when someone like R, F, K, junior comes long and says, hey, I think we can fix this. So I give him a fucking chance. Maybe he can, maybe he can fix this whole health system where we've been coached by these these giant organizations that want you to make money.

You know we interviewed .

on .

the yeah absolutely on on our show, uh we interviewed a guy called doctor David, not who in europe armer colleges and he is in charge of uh the illusionary trials in imperial college london. Looking at how these particular drugs can alleviate P T S D, anxiety, other types of mental health disorders, depression and the results are coming out of there are fantastic. There is actually showing the a lot of drugs like ya yvan are in fact far more effective than prescription meds when IT comes to alleviating conditions like depression. And it's really impressive what .

they're doing. You know i've talked to a lot what is this was this chain. I can hear everybody.

All the L D, fifty rate. Oh, you're your mix. And brother joe.

sorry, you must play. Thank you.

James. Got to. He has to have the mike down because cross norn. is. Fifty east to work that little.

This is the best I could find that was two eighty per milligrams mg to kg, which is really hard done this. So it's one hundred and fifty four pounds. No, no.

As individual. Oh, that's the way to the advertise individual. So the lethal dose fifty percent is okay. Normal dose IT actually says no lethal overdose potential， says there's no potential for dying. The recommended therapeutic dose for option effects is twenty to thirty milligrams for an advertise individual. Uh seventy kilograms or hundred fifty four pounds, for whom the medium lethal dose L D fifty is nineteen thousand six hundred milligrams, making IT virtually impossible to ingest a lethal dose of solicited a but boy, if you got close, or you .

might figure .

everything out, get to the door, you might have to come back with enough information like I solved IT.

I solved IT. You know what I I did um I probably told you about this before but I invited a shame and to my house a couple years ago and I did a silastic bon trip yeah and the results of IT was so they change the way I looked at the world. And I remember coming out after that the next day going, oh, all you're doing, all you really are, is a conduit for energy.

That's all you are. You are a country IT for positive energy or lie, or you are going IT for dark. And and that's really your choice, is a human being.

You want to put light and love out into the world, or do you want to to put dark? Because we have both of those fundamentally contained within our school. So we stop to you as an individual.

What do you want to put out there? And if you want to put out light and love, you're gonna get back light in love. And if you want to put darkness, anger, destruction, you know what that is. Onna, come back on you.

Three fold is true. You really is true that seems so simply list c and ideal utopian version of the world. But for the most part, there's something real to IT.

And you you do sense that you do sense that sometimes in life know there's there's easily beautiful moments in life where you kind of like, oh, like, this can be navigated. This life can be navigated Better. And one of the best ways navigated life is to avoid conflict all at all.

IT never solves anything that almost always crazy problems. And people that want conflict all the time are the most miserable people. They're just constantly embroiled and hate and anger and trying to get people back.

And I think people that the negative thing that sociate with trump, the negative thing that people sociate with trump is like you hit him, he's hit you back harder, like he's got this thing, you know, like he called some lady that, you know, one of the ladies that he allegedly unfair when he called the horse face on twitter while is sitting president. That is so crazy, so that bothers people because it's like that kind of energy. You know, we don't like that kind of energy. I think that's something that people are very apprehensive about for a leader.

So what was your sense of his energy when he .

was here is he's very charming, right? So he's very friendly to be and he also, we have a very good mutual friend. Day White loves them.

He stuck up for dana when ema was a band sport and he let them put on his events in, uh in truth, trump casino in last city so dane to loves the guy and they're always had a good friendship. You know, he got mad at me one time because I said that R, F, K, juniors, only god, that makes sense. But I was essentially saying at the same way i'm saying IT here is like what R, F, K juniors.

He talks about facts and talks about reality, and he talks about issues and he talks about like studies and what we know about things. He's just brilliant with this recall, and he doesn't attack people. And I think we could all use more that even if he's writing something about something like in that book, the real anti fouche, it's because it's true and it's it's not good information that affects all of us.

It's not it's not like personally attacking someone. And I think that personal attack stuff is what polish people. And so what did he do? You just tack me. Let he attack me the crazy way, he said, I wonder how loud joe rogan is going to get boot at the next time he goes to the ufa. And like he, bro, I got all the place that's .

kind of cord.

I did the place is we think i'm GTA get boot. Come on, man. Yeah the fuck.

Can people have been working for that company for twenty seven years like whatever it's been? I mean, yeah, when then I start, I started ninety seven. That was the first time I worked for the fc.

Like, come up. That's a crazy thing to say. Or how about I hate tailor swift?

T, I forgot to ask them about that one. Did he really tweet that? I think you put them on true social when SHE endorsed commoter. If you all capital letters I hate.

I think he just has crazy .

like he just has to .

go out after go after anyone who says anything negative.

It's why he's still in the game though this is you have to realize that the kind of guy that even though they throw forty felling atam, he's still in the game and he's still all date. He's SAT here for three fucking and hours, man, and that didn't have to be before, didn't have to p afterwards, just gets on the fuck. Complaint flies to michigan.

Does the other thing is two hours late, he just goes, man, it's kind of bizarre. Like you people you hear about that like, oh, that's not true. Like, no, he really stays locked in.

He didn't get tired. Know he was seventy eight years old, but he was locked in. He's got a lot of energy.

It's unbelievable how much energy has. And one of the things I said as well as after you watch this first presidency, he didn't age. Remember, a obama was like, he was like someone drained the color from him. Time with black. Yes, time.

Everybody, everybody gets hit hard. The the look at the biden basically died. I mean, he got to the .

point where I said basically .

then he fog will hold the press conference and it's wild. It's like so who lets him get to the mike? Is there? No, he's still the president.

But meanwhile, who's running this mode of worker? She's doing podcast. She's flying all over the place.

Do IT there's no way you're paying attention. So who's run in this thing? Yeah you post a battou fill .

with .

some of them. He is like.

you know what you kind of feels like you know when you're in school and like the teacher leaves, gets cooled out but you know and then it's just you in the class, the rest closing, you looking around going the fox.

going on yeah how we free you know he feels like for me when I use my tesla and I use auto drive, I just hands off like cheese is this work? I know it's supposed to work, but I gona keep my ends here.

Thank god for the deep thing yeah.

Well, if that's real, if that's what running in this thing, I assume this is cabinet that's running everything. But even then, so did does that really how it's supposed to be? It's kind of not it's kind of the weird thing about running for president when you already have a job.

It's like that's why people get matic governors who run for present like, hey, Brown always be governing like we ve got a lot of problems here. You're clearly not. It's like if you don't want to quit your job to apply for another job, the people that are already employed, you like a fuck face.

You're not even here everyday you trying to get this other job. This is nuts. I ve never seen an employee where you're not on the job and you're still here. And if you don't get the new job, you get to come back in being this job. That's crazy.

Why do the we let that happen? Or if you want to be governor, okay, your governor, you want to run for pressure, you got to quit being in governor, or you get to do your term out because you gonna leave us anyway. So if you have two more years left in the elections are right, you're going to leave us.

You want to leave us high and dry here. You fuck quit the job. Quite a fucking job. You can have two jobs. So that's the studieth thing about running for president for reelection, right? So in computer is case, she's not necessarily really run election because she's the vice president, but she's also the vice president, was running for president.

So he has the second most important job in the world and she's not doing IT, but because he has to run for the first most important job. So who's doing the job well? Who's doing ball jobs? Who's doing advice? Where's supporters are.

oh my go handsome feeling. Remember like in the nineties where you like, I don't know if you felt like this and I was much Younger, where you just kind of didn't question IT as much and then all of us, you start questioning things and IT all IT does IT lead you down from one rabbit hole to another rabbit hole to another.

You know, it's like people always used to say to us, when we start a trigger entry, they were like, you know, the whole free speech thing is bullshit. Bar, bar, bar, you just want to be able to say racist things? You're right.

You know, I just can.

So why did you do that?

I tell all comedians don't ever do comedy at something. It's not a comedy event. I don't do IT don't ever do comedy at a place that's doing also know you are going to a bunch of speakers and you're going to go up to ten minutes.

Don't ever do that is a terrible set up, terrible set up and it's a political rally and you do and jokes like you're an economy club. IT doesn't do IT. I don't really .

blame tony though, because tony is what tony is, right? Like, if you want an insult comic, tony is the best in the world.

There's literally his, his, his great special tea is posting, right? So best roast forever if you book.

Tony hinch Cliff, tony henchy, Cliff is gonna live. Is whoever fucking booked them? That's .

the material.

Did they go over material? Oh my.

this is what i've read on the internet. So IT must be true.

In the words of Donald trump, someone's get five.

I going to tell you, the joke kills at comedy clubs. I don't. I like the joke. IT kills. And I said to him, I know it's just like if you're porter in here than the eyes is a funny joked as well, but I said to, I could do that the ones going to get you stabbed really yes and he to talk about IT on stage saying joe rogan, he says that the ones going to get me .

stabbed like which is so crazy yeah .

I think he'd picked .

step at this point I think you will blow over just like .

all these things do yeah and there's people that that are always going to hate someone like tony and it's going to make other people love more is so he's going through IT right now yeah yes. Is going through the storm .

as somebody who you know has warmed up. You know who wins people up? Know we we wound .

people up on our time winters.

In beginning with you.

that's a negative over the ker no ker here and like, yes, so economic cracker doesn't really .

work hockey. But when I saw what tony data went or my you're in a differently you not to make that is another level yeah.

obama was quoting his bed but like IT was a statement, right, which is really fucked up. He was quoting IT like he was saying someone called porter regal an island of garbage. But you know, that's a joke.

That's like going to a acquainting tino movie. And then the man killed that woman, like they didn't really kill that woman. That is, that's like a doll, know this is a movie. No one died. Everyone's fine.

They all like each other. But if you give them a ion.

yeah, it's the problem. We were discussing this, the bathroom.

I it's like that's their job.

They have to do .

their job course that what they do like you can't assume there's going to be a good person, not use IT in this critical moment. How many days we like eight days before the election? That's crazy. That's so soon. Of course, you're going to use everything i'd use .

IT too but you know in nicely captures tes modern politics because it's a storm about nothing. It's a storm about a joke at a rally. And actually everybody's focusing on that instead of the huge problems that amErica has, which we all need to be discussing and we need to be discussing in a calm, serious and sober marana.

Because, for example, if you have an open border, that's an existential crisis. Because if you can't control your borders, you don't have a country. But we don't talk about that really. We we're getting upset because tony hinch cafe .

came along and .

called porto .

o and comes from tony is actually obsessed with the pacific garbage patch. And um unlike the fact that we just throw like we're talking about like recycling, the recycling doesn't work. They don't do IT most of your bottles and you're throwing in a recycle if they get put in landfills.

So there's a landfill in porter reo that's way overflows porter eco as a legitimate trash problem because they're on an island. We're going to put IT, right? There's all these people living on the ireland.

We're going to put IT. And so they have a landfills and the landfill are way over capacity. So that's where the joe came from, right? But the joe came from like tony being environmentally conscious.

They don't seem to have taken of that way.

But from his roast or perspective, that's where the joke comes proudly I think it's porter rio, you say, and everybody laughs yeah yeah .

and actually we were at the rally, uh, and people say no one laugh not quite true. Like he didn't get a big laugh, but got a bit of a laugh. Funny joke?

Yeah, no, even john's steward said he was a funny show, and which I thought was great of them.

He had much Better ones, got a bigger response.

But yeah, terrible people. Like, wasn't funny, right? Because he was IT was a terrible set up for comedy.

Everything was wrong. If you were a comedy club and a guy did that, said, you would be laughing. This is a bad set up. Everything's wrong.

It's like you don't go to see acoustic music while people using jack cameras around, right? Like it's not the right set up, right? You want to go where somewhat quite yeah and stand up comedy should be done in a comedy environment, in in a club.

Or mean, there is a great video that I should say of dawn rickles. Dawn rickles in the V. I, S.

And he don rickles was a boy. He was a funny man. He was so good. He was IT really translates today, like, he watched that sad, he really translates today. But I think don rickles was almost like.

He was in the category of ultra famous comedian, right? He was in this dave chapelle pe category. We are just seeing don records all the sudden he was a comedy show like, oh my god, down rickles this year. Tony hitch clip does not have that right.

If dave shapu went up in did ten minutes in front Donald trump or ten minutes in front of commonly Harris, that's a different thing because it's like he's a cultural icon and you will immediately go in the stand of comedy mode like osha chapps here, right? That's what don't rickles had with regan. Tony does not have that.

It's a bad thing to do. The whole thing bad. It's like doing a bachelor party, like when you have to do comedy, a bachelor parties.

If one horse 太 强 了， but it's just a bad environment, is a bad environment for comedy. And know that joker, I would have told him, you fuck in, dare do that joke. I never like SAT down and know what bit bit he was going to do, but I had had to, oh, jesus, tony, here comes.

I think there are comedians probably, who I think tony is the wrong type of comedian for environment. If you had someone come in, he wasn't a roast median, actually made everyone feel good.

I do IT who could do IT and just talk about cultural issues and get everybody to love as Jimmy door, Jimmy do is really good at that. He could do something like that because he's so knowledgeable when he comes to politics. He could bridge the gaps between humor.

In fact, in reality and what we're up against, he could do that. But it's not tony wheelman. Tony, just talk to shit about people's close and like he's very fucked in, very shallow with that like this comedy is all just your a loser but it's fun. It's like a hill get through that and he's going to a storm and that's what happens with all these things with people like that.

But but him too.

like when he got cancelled in the past, he came back with stronger as a comic because he felt like he had to prove something. You made him really tighten up as material. I really edit things well and really like right sharp stuff that's we'll happen with him.

You'll come back Better. The thing I really like about tonnes, tonnes is a fighter. You can tell when we interview him on our show and we talk to him, i'm like you're a fighter. You you know that's who essentially is and he's going to come from back from this Better and stronger. And look, it's everybody who is smart realizes that this is a storm about nothing and it's been used and politicized and website ed by the democrat party because that's what they do.

That's what every because it's effective like that's their job. But IT makes sense that they would do that. That's literally their job.

Their job is to win this folk and election. And if they win this election by finding some lady he says trump fingered in the eighties, roll out, roll out. Like who else you know this?

Like all kinds of crazy allegations on both sides, i've seen nothing things that I don't even want to repeat about common hairs and i'm sure aren't true. P but IT doesn't matter. There's throwing things out there as much as possible. The thing is, like most people aren't even paying attention to them.

IT makes me so angry. You like my gray grandfather, he died on the eastern front fighting actual notes. These comparisons are just the illegitimate. And what they do also is they take the power away from the words. Because now, if you say this guy is a notes, there are some naughty, like open your fuck and twitter feed there some naught right? But you say that guys and nothing, no one takes a serious ly anymore.

But there are some other things that the rally, the people offended by, and one of them, that guys name Stephen Miller, that his name, yeah he he yelled something like amErica is for americans like something like that but said.

I don't remember that that .

was a weird one, I thought because i'm like, OK what's in american? There are all immigrants though. It's a literal country full of immigrants. So what don't like, say in german germany is for germans, right?

Because you know has a different vibe to A.

Example I like.

but it's what he saying, like I really like the way J. D. Vance talks. It's not screaming eli. It's like very smooth and he's very coordinated, very good, is a very good at.

very intelligent guy.

very good at be in a politician and he does these interviews, which is interesting too because i'll talk to all these people, talk to CNN and all these in the corner room. They try to corner room on stuff. It's interesting what people admit to and what they won't admit to, what they won't talk about.

You know, like you see J J. Taper and he got out IT. Yeah.

he's so good with the medium and he's .

very good at breaking the text that they say.

So what say americans? For americans only. Lets see what is how he says.

IT, listen, he said, amErica is for americans, and americans only settle down. Bro, that's goofy. That's goofy because, yeah, right.

But what is america? AmErica is literally country of immigrants. Know is, I want you guys to be americans.

You know, I know people that have moved here to become americans. Best pool play in the world, fade or girls. He's from russia, became an american citizen.

He's america. And now he plays literally on the mosconi cup, which is like america's pool team. American, every amErica is everybody from everywhere.

That's literally what we are. We are the the actual melting part. So amErica is for amErica is only good.

Okay, what does that mean? Yeah, how about let's not letting criminals, rapists and the how vent terrorists before they come across? I want to say that go. The americans, for americans .

only totally know we've travel to many countries. Have to say, when he comes to legal immigration, I haven't been to a place to more pro immigrant at the level of the ordinary person, right.

than this country. Well, we love an immigrant success story, right? We love a guy comes here from nigeria and now with a billion dollars and made his own computer company like we shit look at that. This guy came from nothing we love to come from nothing we don't. That's the things that my friends from england always tell me is that there's this real um sort of there's an idea in the culture like to keep people in their place and and they don't like when someone has like wild aspirations and they're try to shit on you. He says there's no support .

at all for you like chasing your dream. Well, look for Francis was born in the U. K. I I came to when I was long.

I love bryan, but there is this element where you're not supposed to strive, you're not supposed to think you're special, you not supposed to try and achieve too much like everyone loves you as long as you know not too successful. But if you really think you you, anna, be successful, IT becomes more difficult. And that's why a lot .

of those people end up coming here. Give up. Tablets are brutal. The tables over their brutal, and the laws are like different.

And now the tax system to with this government that we have now, they're literally we're losing more millionaire.

Any other country in the world except china tax and shit ton of people laughed and they want of losing money.

Lots of countries done IT doesn't work because rich people don't have to live there.

But that's why we have to have one world government, and you can just keep the let people move. Move to favorable spots. That's how amErica got started in the first place.

We sly this what we're seeing in the U. K. As far as I am concerned, and i'm sure consistent as his view, this is we're seeing for me the slow creep of, I would say, soft authoritarian ism.

But not even that. You look at scotland, so scotland on April, the first, ironically enough, brought in hate speech as hate speech. Bill, they called IT IT came into law. And that has now criminalized public performance to include .

stand up comedy. You ve heard that, but the .

problem is they have .

that Normal festival.

world biggest comedy. It's biggest hot festival .

in the world. Yeah, our fears done IT like multiple times he raves.

you have going so I don't show up, decided it's like you .

should go there and do american stand up because they're basically like a lot of my telling stories and they have a theme every but because is really cool though to cool, like art art environment. So if they come along and say that all that saves hate speech, now you've killed the whole thing.

Well, tony would be, if he'd done that joke there, he would be being investigated by police right now.

But he probably in jail.

Is in canada this? This is not an exaggeration.

yes. Yeah, no. I'm sure he would be. Yeah, yeah. That's danger. That's the whole thing we're talking about. It's like left wing ideas used to be free speech is important.

I mean that's why if you go back and like even in like left wing magazines and like remember when gore the doll and Williams of bucky had that debate? That was A A brilliant moment, right? Because that was kind of like one of the first podcast because they played IT on if you haven't seen that, what is the, uh, documentary about something best, something enemies?

It's a great documentary, but IT shows that the network that put IT on, I think IT was abc was getting killed in the ratings, and otherwise I would have never done this. And so they just decided elect was just take a chance. And I became this enormous success because everybody was on best event emi's.

It's really fantastic. It's a great documentary. And you know, Williams, a buck, is kind of the stuff shirt, kind of dushin right wing guy with a pretty good vocabulary.

And go vita, who was brilliant but a weird man. He wrote that nutty book about a transgender woman who, like Ricky wells, played in the movie. It's the crazy as book that he turned into a movie. It's a really nutty movie about like a guy becomes a woman and she's really hot, then becomes a man again and it's like there's a lot of sex in the movie like it's it's like a perverted, bizarre, twisted movie.

He is very progressive.

IT was IT. IT was so progressive that no way understand the fun so far ahead of this time. But you know, that was the left back then. You could know you were kind of free to talk about anything.

This is a thing that is fascinating about that sort spill.

myo broken ridge. I bought IT on DVD. You can't stream IT anywhere. R cow wells. First of all, the idea that any man could ever look like cow, well, I shut the fog up unless she's in thailand.

This is not. The picture .

was controversial for sexual explicitness, including x like female on sale rape, but IT, unlike the novel, received little to no critical praise and husband as when the world. IT seems a good decades. The film that is developed cut following .

is a crazy movie. Yeah, it's it's so interesting that the way that we, you know, things were seated at one point in culture and now they become mainstream. I was A, I was at the gym and then the words, the, the, the song lower .

by the kinks. And yeah.

i'm not done, but I can't understand why SHE walks like a woman and .

talks like a man. Yeah, yeah. It's a great well, yeah, yeah. And then you listen to .

IT and you go this is really progressive and then with um I know what he is, she's a man so and then i'm like, well, you'd get cancelled for this bit now .

but you know the crazy song, the crazy song is Brown sugar.

No.

roling stone doesn't even play Brown sugar anymore. I want to see them a concert and they said they would not. What mean they were already said in interviews? So like, it's too controversial song and then I saw the lyrics like I had only heard the song.

I'd never like read the lyrics. And so you know when to mica saying you how to like he's singing like this making sounds out of the words that are pleasing more than he's communicating like really clearly pull up the lyrics to Brown sugar way. Do you read this? Have you read IT?

I remember some, but not the full thing.

Let's see this this this one is like I saw an interview with .

key Richard where they were like the where the person said to him and maybe this was key Richard fucking about with the journalist, where the journalist went. So, you know, obviously Brown sugar about heroin and keep free ship went now row, it's about sleeping with black women anyway, okay.

let's change this up. Not as black with slaves. Gold coast slave ship bound for cotton field sold in the market down a newer leans scuttled slave. Or knows he's doing all right hero whipped the women just around midnight. Brown sugar, how come you tae so good?

Brown sugar, just like a Young girl should drums beaten cold english blood runs hot lady of the house wondering when it's gonna a stop house point knows that he's doing all right. You should have heard him just around midnight. Brown sugar, Brown sugar.

Oh, I get IT. Oh, get IT on Brown sugar. How can we tae so good baby OK just like a black girl should.

Now I bet your mama was a tent show queen and all her boyfriends were sweet sixteen. I'm no schoolboy, but I know what i'd like. You should have heard me just around midnight. It's a crazy on.

It's a.

that is a bank, is a.

is a .

fantastic song. But I you put that song out today, people like you, what the fuck that SHE get can answer. L like if you did that at a trump rally.

like in.

The rolling stores came out, I did Brown sugar at a trump rally if they opened up, agent gentlemen, the rolling stones, and they did Brown sugar.

不， but the world has changed so far. My wife and I watched friends the other day. You couldn't make friends now.

right? You like.

we used to watch regular. We watched one episode. We like this.

This is like it's transformer. It's race. It's a whole bunch of ship.

That's why it's funny.

Well, if you ve ever seen a venture pettet tive, yes, holy shit, just watched in that again. You, like, you couldn't make. This will be at all today.

So many great comedy. There is no fucking way. Traffic thundergust me today. No, no way is one of the greatest common of all time. It's a phenomenon movie you .

couldn't make IT. Do you think do you think this is like out a bad thing or out write a good thing? Or do you think it's kind of half it's .

gonna force courage, right? Because people obviously want to see those kind of movies is just someone's going to have to have the couch to make IT. And if they do have the urge to make IT, IT will get criticize, but will also be wildly successful, right?

If they really went for IT and made a super bad today like a fuck in all out crazy comedy, IT would be huge. People would be so happy. So the only people that are reaping the rewards of that desire for rebellion or comics, we're the only ones comics and podcasts ers. And mostly podcasts ers are comics like a lot of a more least least the comedy podcasts.

But that's the thing. There is now a vacuum. There is now a vacuum for people to step in because IT go to the point, particularly with TV comedy in the U.

K. And I remember saying IT to comics in a comedy club. People's what sap group is now funny er than T V comedy. And part of the reason is because if everybody saw your whats up group.

we'd all be cancelled, especially the ones I have.

But it's not just human. It's everybody. Everybody y's hiding right? Everybody is hiding.

It's talking shit, right? This is what's fun about memes. Like I don't believe the thing in the meme is true, but it's funny, funny, crazy thing to saying.

But why did we get to a point where we just believe that every joke was true, that every joke was a statement effect.

which we don't believe IT, but certain people want to use IT because their words written on paper or words spoken out loud, and they want to use IT as if it's a real statement. Just like the note I made about quanti o movies like really killing anybody. It's like you want to pretend that this thing, that this person's doing, you can decide socks, you can decide it's hate, you don't like IT, it's not your kind of comedy, it's punching down.

You can come up with all. So what's reasons why you don't like IT? But that's like the same kind of reasons why you don't like A C D C, you know and you like lizer ir like everybody has their own thing that they like and don't like. But you can't pretend that it's a statement is on a statement. It's comedy and it's if I swear to god you see seem doing on stage if fuck can kills yeah .

this is why I am excited though and because look at you, you just had one of former president, presidential candidate by the time of the next election. It's gonna everyone's going to be doing podcasts .

is not getting away from what was interesting is a something happened, i'm sure, a mistake that youtube where you couldn't search for IT you sure IT was a mistake purpose? And so if you google .

rogan trump to apol.

you only get clips, you couldn't wash the home so you couldn't find IT. yeah. And so we reached out to them a couple of times and they fixed IT to their credit so I could find IT.

okay. But so in the meantime, elon was furious. And so elon contacted Daniel ec at spotify and they put IT on x as well. So now it's on x the food.

So now IT has way more views because I think on elon's alone, what is that on e lands alone? Because even I posted IT night, posted IT this morning like, right, I posted IT last night. I woke up was like six and a half million views on mine in eight plus million on his.

So it's just it's a you can't suppress shit that doesn't work. This is the internet. This is twenty twenty four people going to realize what you're doing if you try to make IT so that something can't come up in a search engine because it's too popular.

First of all, if that's not trending, you tell me what the fuck is OK. So what's to that now? Eight point six million on mine.

And what's IT on on e ones because he has a lot more people on his and me. So that's just from last night. So but you you can't fuck and suppress you anymore. Like when you're saying that, that's why is that not in the trending? You have a trending thing.

What's your trending thing really? Then if one show has thirty six million downloads in two days, like that's not turning, it's trading for mr be a little more than that twelve million three. So he's a twelve.

so he had twenty .

million in a day just on x and that's just us. There's a ton of clipsed. There's a ton of other accounts that i've done IT illegally when they've taken the episode. The full episodes uploaded IT. So who knows how many views those have.

So joke, can I just check why do you say your certain just a mistake?

It's just a mistake. I didn't get that.

I was my turn to miss.

Yeah, it's like there's no way was mistake that's too convenient, but he could have been like some rogue engineer. There's a lot of people that are working behind the scene this.

but there's a video .

you can watch the video of people searching for. I now you couldn't find IT. I couldn't find IT, I couldn't find IT. And then I got to the point where you could only only have to write, you had to write jo rogan fixed a little where you like joe rogan trump interview and then I would come up. But if you just wrote rogan trump, only you get the clipsed.

Do you think IT kind of worked for the hunter bid and laptop story, the what what they did and their tactics around IT and not obviously came out later? IT was a big scandal, but at the time, IT kind of worked. Do you think they might thought, well, you know, a kind of work for this, therefore, which we should try for this?

I think they're desperate because they had no idea that popular and it's a runaway train. And they hate IT because ideologically, they are opposed to the idea of him being more popular. It's just like what we are talking about before the the left wing being in control of this, this massive media distribution companies like you to we're like facebook, the massive companies, they have so much influence on everything and they didn't like that.

This one was slipping away and so they did something in jammy showed me like the image of the interactions, like when I when they did that, IT dropped off a Cliff because people couldn't find IT. So they just gave up or they just watched the clips. So you see like how much downloads it's getting? And then I just root, what about that claim about the reporting taking IT down?

What's yeah that could be IT too, right? They were saying that you must report something enough. So who is the actual claim? Like somebody want to say if you must report something enough, you might have taken IT out of the search because IT wasn't like they didn't the video from our channel.

And right, right. So that could be search that be a, but that's also the same thing, right? Because it's people that are on the left that are mass reporting something to try to silence IT rather than just letting people do IT. So maybe it's not the company itself, but it's the people that are attached to the ideology that the company follows. And they think that you should be able to do something about a conversation like that.

But it's so stupid, it's so ridiculous because I look at that and I go, like you said, all you're gonna do is you're going to a bring more I boles to IT because everyone's going to think, hang on, definite to watch IT now. So I just don't understand, and this is me being a little bit naive and whatever else and go, why not for the democrat party? What you do this, I know it's gonna low, everyone's mind. Why did you get the best possible candidate that you can? And just going on, trump.

is that why this election is so dangerous? The reason why this selection is so dangerous is we've accepted that someone could be the representative without going through a primary. So because we had to get rid of joe biden and everybody kind of agreed after the debate, like all my god, he's literally fAllen apart, and they decided not have a primary.

And so once they do that, then then you have the whole machine behind IT. Because there's a desperate attempt to read, define who this person is in front of everybody y's eyes. This person that everybody thought like uses words, salad and all the site.

Now there, the number one person, this is, this is our our savior, brock obama's behind her. Everybody's behind her. Like that has to happen like that.

And that kind of crazy because they don't have much time and they are kind of manufacturing a thing. So like they are going to try everything. It's like a despair ado time. This is part of the problem with right now.

I would learned that lesson the last election because they tried this and IT backfired massively. That's why rockburg is now stepping back from I don't know if you saw jeff basel this article in washington. Yes, IT IT feels to me like at least among those guys, the tide is turning and they don't seem to be keen to interfere in anything like the way they did before.

And also as well, just a final point is not the dms don't have form for this as well. They did to burn in two thousand sixteen. So just got what again and again and again, you're gonna IT. How are people gonna have faith in your party?

Yeah, but people don't look at that in that wild. They don't look at the idea that they berny was getting too popular. And that was the first experience that I really had with getting attacked by the mainstream news, like CNN was a saying that bernie was on my show, that my show is a sexist and racist or whatever the fuck was, and you know that bernie was doing a terrible thing by coming on my show.

And that was when I saw like, oh, they're trying to get rid of a berny. Like, this is really interesting. Like why are they turn like that yet? The most popular podcast in the country, why would you want to express his ideas out to the world? Because they didn't want him and he was appealing after that kind of a conversation.

Oh, so you're going to take a fraction of a penny of a specular trades and you'll able to fund all these things like education and really, can you really do that? And like, okay, tell me what you can do like you're you're been around this fuck and rodeo for a long last time. May be this guy is going a way of looking at things that is maybe it's maybe IT work and then I saw the machine and then they got amount of the prime areas as like, wow, this is kind of crazy and they're willing to do that.

They did IT with our fk, like they would not let him have a primary. They wouldn't allow him to compete against joe biden. No, fucked.

And way. They had one guy, and that was joe biden until IT wasn't. And then when IT wasn't okay commonly, you got to be IT and then they just went hard pushing her through.

And IT worked really good until some of these interviews because that those interview things are just a super unnatural way to talk. You have live cameras in front of you and all these people. And already she's got to be aware of how many people who hate on her.

SHE has to be aware. SHE has to be aware of how many people don't think he deserves a spot. SHE just got in.

Joe can ask you something. Who is the way right? This is the thing. I'm generally wondering who's the way that's trying to get burnt .

not to run. The first is the dnc. Clearly, if you read down to write this book.

but is going to be be one guy or one guy at the top of that.

right? I think this an organization, I think no, you do get your Nancy pelosi and all the people that are in power. And one thing to consider, if you you thinking about like, well, why would they want commonly hair or anybody else? Because the first of everybody who works in the administration right now is in the biden Harris administration to keep their jobs.

I like to keep his job. What do have to do to keep his job? And those are essentially people that are run in the show because she's busy and he's not there. So like those people wanted keep their jobs. So that's what you're experiencing right now.

But man, you know, sorry, france is just to finish them. Like IT sounds like a try and rather obvious thing to say. But you are running to be the leader of the most powerful country in the world. You gotten be able to fuck in talk, man.

Well.

if we don't even say this because it's so fucking and obvious, but but you've got to be able .

to communicate well, that's why we have primary, right? That's what pray because being a leader is a little bit more than having qualifications, right? It's being able to execute in real time under pressure.

That's what those debates are all about. It's not just about like who's got the Better idea as you could have them both right and article and find out who's get the Better ideas. It's about seeing them kind of perform under pressure and respond under pressure.

We want to see how you handle the cooker. That's why we like those crowds. You know, when you do those debates in front of crowd, it's a bigger cooker. We trying to figure out whether not you can handle IT.

And by having no primary and having heard just go right through and then keeping r fk junior away from garden even before that like this does not give a lot of people faith that you are following the ideals that this country is found IT on. And if you're just if you going on your own way just because you want to win, okay, you've kind of taken over the system and server. You've changed IT. Well.

let's say you get elected though you're gonna sitting across from SHE g ah and fat in my putin.

right?

If you got fucked in, talk right.

How's I gonna a thing? They not speak english. Thank you. What he said and make IT sound really is going .

to be less sense .

of me that worry at all. But also, they have been doing that job for how long? How long put in IT in charge of russia? How many years now?

Since nineteen ninety.

twenty five years? Okay, twenty five years being a leader of russia and easing paying controls china with an iron fist. And he's been doing that for how long?

right? I don't know.

but a long time, a long time. So you have people that is one of the vulnerabilities of american politics is its strength. And one of the strength is that you don't have someone who stays in and just keeps run and things that becomes a dictator.

You have to get out there after eight years. Most the bad part about IT is every four fucking years we have someone who's knew doing the hardest job in the world that they've never done that before. Like given trump said like at the beginning of his term, he did not know how to appoint people.

He didn't know who to trust. And he trust that a bunch people shouted trust that and you put a bunch people in there that you should to put in. So four years of that, he got a handle on IT.

And now he is a completely different perspective. why? Because he did the job ready. Because he's is ready. Been in there.

N N is a businessman is like, I see why this is fuck, but I need to get smarter people in here. And so what does he do? He talks to china h about being the head of the fda.

He talks to elon about coming up with some government efficiency agency. He talks to rf k about taking their health care. He's like delegating to people that are very good at IT now, and like some these people that could actually in part a real change, not like sound of on in of the gazi change.

We just like to put on a different mask. No, a real change of the system. And that's why the reasons why the resistence against IT is so hard because so many people are .

going to be out of work. And you know what I found really interesting looking at the democrats with. You look back at the burning twenty sixteen thing.

They didn't appoint berny. They appointed their person hilly, right? Trump took a lot of burner's talking points and went on and on the election.

And you, and because he spoke to the average american and that the average american felt no connection with hilary, what sowest. So you are actually going, if you have just got and been fair, burne might actually have won. He might actually have one because he had caught through with the average american, but they didn't want that.

They appointed their person and then they ended up losing. And then they had a ten tram and said he was russia interference. And all the rest know IT was you. You stopped the the person who actually could have won the election for you, who could have cut through to the average american, you didn't want that, and you screwed IT up for yourself. And then you had attention at the end of IT, blaming everyone.

And then there was also the polls, right? The polls had winning like by a huge margin. I think on election IT was I got ninety percent chance he is going to be the president. I'm crazy. So for him to show that the polls were bullshit, that it's good and away.

But it's also like now they're going to tight things down significantly if the same sort of ap arata is that would keep a guy like burn's anders out, a guy like rabbit of Kennedy junior out. They're not playing fair this. They're not interested in playing in fair.

They're interested in winning is whatever the fuck IT takes to get through this thing and win. They want to keep their jobs. It's just it's like they're engaging in corporate war fare.

It's like or legal fair. It's like they're used their weapon zing the justice system to go after their opponent. They're doing everything they can, all of the things.

What's your sense of how it's gonna .

have zero idea. Zero idea. I do not like that that people are sewing to make sure that voter ID isn't required.

People are suing to stop people from using I D to vote. That's the only reason why you would do that. As you want people to vote, that shouldn't be voting. That's the only reason that doesn't make any sense.

We're been here a week now. I've had to show I, D to get into a, to run a car, to run a hotel room. Like, yeah, this is radically.

one has fucked and I did. But the saying it's racist to require ID is so crazy or it's bad for poor rural americans to do require I D. That's crazy. They have cars.

Everyone has a car. I data on the internet might be wrong, but showed the ethnic minorities actually have a higher support for for voting, probably because they .

went through IT to get a fuck. And I D right, right. I think minorities went through IT, became american citizens, actually got the legal right to vote.

They are proud of that. No, kay, do what I did. Don't just cheat guys.

Cheating seems was like a reasonable .

point but anybody who would say that that's not reasonable only wants to win, right? I'm pretty left of center for the most part and I see that and like that's crazy. You can't that doesn't make any sense sense at all. You can say people don't need ideas because it's racist towards whatever is it's you .

know and exist and and the thing is they talk about classes, right? And as such, like I I used to work when I was teaching, I used to work in a lot of the prive communities. Really, really like people were struggling. Like if people made IT to the end of the week with food on the table and they paid their bills, that was a win. That was an absolute win.

And having worked in those communities, those people are more anti illegal immigration then the inverted commerce elites, because illegal immigration brings down their wages IT brings down IT brings down their ability to earn IT means that the jobs that they do get a bilateral and they can no longer afford to feed their families. It's basic economics. So this idea that all you know, immigration is a right wing issue.

It's bullshit where immigration is actually a left wing issue. And you look at all storms, what you would consider to be old school left, these, they are all know we need to control immigration to protect the rights and wages of workers. It's why when we had bricks IT in our country, people said, oh, it's right wing IT wasn't that I know so many blue collar guys who vote IT breaks IT.

They won't racist. They want any of those things. But as one of them explained to me, he was at, look, Frances, I got a no problem with immigration, but at this point, IT just feels on my wages again, in lower and lower and lower.

I got a kid on the way, are colorful to live on this, and you to then smell that person is right wing. It's it's a succeed. It's also .

you're giving power to the people to take advantage of these illegal immigrants, their quotes because they get those people to work for less money. So you're empowering bad people to use cheap illegal labor. And that that becomes a problem because they use IT all the time, especially is no inspections.

I mean, how many different plants have been dusted across the country of using illegal aliens? That happens all the time. Construction sites happens all the time. Fact tim dillon said that that was one of the um he believes one of the motivations of having the border porus, he thinks is to get cheap labor because it's hard to get cheap labor.

And so if you're working a construction insight and you got a bunch of illegals work for you there, they have no rights, you know, they can work for a fraction of the minimum wage and its way more money than they were getting when they were in mexico. And then you're putting them up in a house. They all live together.

They are pickle peach. They're fucked and happy as shit. They can't believe there in amErica and they're actually making money and there's a road to at least some level prosperity that exists here. So that worked for less money.

So you're empowering sculp bags to pay people below you know, standard wages and then you're crippling all the people that are the workers who don't have to say who he illegally, who are you know how they demand. They know they're supposed to get. They demand fair wages and health insurance and other things that you .

should get employees yeah and it's also as well look, my mum's venezia la. So and I also have got family in this country and a lot of venezuela in this country. And then I see what illegal venezuela doing like A.

You know, I just.

I need .

to do IT that believes me job. But you know, I can tell you this for a fact, every single Venus well, who came here legally, works hard, went through the hoops to escape Venus ua, to create a Better life for themselves and their family are utterly mortified and horrified at the actions of those criminals and what is happening in this country, because not only is IT terrible for the victims, but IT also reflects badly on us. Like you now go on venezia, and people think of what like that criminal gang.

K was also weird that is taking place, they sanctuary city, where the cops are kind of their handcuff as to what they can do with these people. And one of the weird ones was someone was having a conversation with this woman, where they were talking about these gangs. I forget who I was.

I been j. Evans. I forget IT was. But the woman was saying that it's only a couple of apartment complexes that been taken over.

Who was that with? I think I was jetty one.

But yeah, yeah. And he was like to hear yourself, right in the united states of america, armed gangs from venezuela taken over a couple of apartment buildings in your city. And you think it's not a big deal.

You know, you're trying to minimize that. How crazy that is that illegal aliens who came across, who are armed to the tits, or part of a dangerous, enormous organized gangs, have taken over apartment buildings and extorting all the bill that live there. And you don't think that's problem. That's wild.

And if you say that they go, that's the right when talking about, what are you fucking talking about?

What are we talking about? What if your mom lives that building? Like what are you talking about? That's crazy. You're saying crazy things does not make any sense.

IT doesn't. And you know, we were in a late last year, and because I have a russian name, you know, all the lift and uber drivers in lay, they're all amie, right? They all speak russian and they recognize my name.

So they talked to in russian the the guys who came in the nineties, they all came legally. They got their documentation, everything one guy was telling me, he smuggled his eighty three year old father is disabled in a wheelchair through the southern border. Like all the guys that are coming now, I come into the southern border and they all get documentation.

Why would you bother? IT right? Why would you bother? And and that you can't americans of the most promise tion people that i've ever seen.

But I also think when you have high levels of illegal immigration, that undermines people's confidence in the entire system. And the worst thing is, IT doesn't make any logical sense. Can anyone explain to you why is beneficial to amErica to have an open border? What is the beneficent to america? I think eighty four .

percent of americans don't agree with this.

Well.

no cheating. It's A A large number of americans don't agree with that. India is happening. And the real fear is that it's being used to buy votes. Believe it's a great strategy.

If I wanted to buy votes, I mean, if I was associated ath, right, which is what a corporation really is, right, is a psychopath. How are they isn't there's a great book about that, right, defining corporation as a psychopath. And as we talked about before, this need to constantly grow, and this is obligated, your shareholders do whatever IT takes to make the most amount of money.

If you were a CoOperation you wanted to control the whole country, what would you do? Why I would incentivise people to vote one way, and I would move them in and make their life way Better than ever was before, and then let them in. And the other sides saying we're going to deport you.

Well then the other sides definitely not who you going to vote for. So now all I have to do is let you vote. So I can either let you vote by telling you how you don't need I D just go head and vote.

I can do IT by offering amnesty to a certain number of people. And then this is thing that they keep saying that these people here legally, but the way there here legally is a new thing. And this new thing that they started doing during COVID is they use the shipping APP to sketch dual amnesty meetings now.

So they allowed you to get in the country with this APP that was really only for shipping, pull that APP up against ami. So this APP was originally used. So I say if you came here from, you know, england, whatever, and you wanted to sell some stuff, you you could be here for a while while you're your shipping and bringing your stuff over.

This is like a way that you could register so they know where you are, and then you could. So now they changed IT during covered and made IT. So this APP now allows you to schedule and entrance into the country so you don't have to have, there's no wedding, there's no checking on you, there's no who you are.

But through this APP, you could schedule time. They compense you, they put you up, they the places, this is A U. S. Cousin's border protection APP. Um so um is C B P one mobile passport control M P C and my C B P so was launched in october twenty twenty.

C bp one is a free APP that provides access to a variety of C B P services that uses guided questions to help users find the right services, forms or applications. Cb p one was originally used to help commercial trucking companies schedule a cargo inspections. In twenty twenty three, the APP was expanded to allow unauthorized migrants to request asylum and book appointments at the U. S. Mexico border.

But that's good. You want people to book in asylum appointment and so that you could make sure whether they're legitimate claimants. And that's a good thing, right? The problem is when people are allowed in and they don't have a good case, right? Because amErica would let some people in who claims, I think, american people very generous.

And how many people deny that, try to use that up. That's a different question. The real questions, why are so many of them showing up in swing states? That's the it's like that seems a little suspect if you're moving people to swing states and then you have people like Nancy policy and I forget who else IT was.

They were making the argument that we need immigrants because americans are not having enough babies. You know, this is elan's argument. He's made this population collapse argument, which doesn't seem right to people because they're stuck in traffic. But IT is right if you really pay attention to the amount of people that are actually having children and what it's going to be like in the future. South korea apparently .

is a gigantic disaster. Had to talk about, he did a great documentary. He went all around, look at a population uh, decline and is a real fucking problem. It's a real problem.

It's a real problem. And so their argument, and this is A I think it's a bulshed argument, it's like we're letting these people in because americans aren't having any baby. So you just figure .

that .

out is a bullet shadow .

because amErica has illegal immigration system. You could have billions of people come into the united states legal, and if you need a babies, there's A Q of a billion people who would come to amErica legal if you let them right? That is not an argument .

for legal immigration. How much can you learn about someone a short period of time when they're come into the border? Because like there's those numbers of like I think it's over the last ten years, how many ers have come through, how many rapists have comes, it's like it's staging numbers, right? And then there's the unreported ones.

A lot of these gangs members, they snuck in the coast is wide open. The coast is weird. You know you you could be in a boat and beats yourself and Sandy ago and no one knows the fuck to do.

And then you jump out in a van. There's a lot of that stuff goes on. So it's like how many people are actually getting in that aren't reported that the real question.

And they know that y've caught people that are on the terrorist watch list. They've know they've caught people at the border that absolutely up to no good. So it's like how many people didn't catch? How many people stuck through? How much in danger are we because of that?

How much of an october seven type attack could happen in the united states because of that? To say no percentage is crazy. So to say that it's possible means that you've been derated in your duty. You haven't saved us from the potential of us being invaded .

and and IT is also as well. Then what you are naturally going to get, if that is a concern, a major concern for the average working person, you are gonna get a politician who is gonna address those those concerns and is gonna IT front center for their campaign. Of course.

Of course they are right, because that is politics and that hard works, and that's a good thing. You need those people to address the concerns of ordinary people, right? But then they come in and then they start going, this is a native rally.

This is so. And you're just going, oh, not only do you not want to have the conversation, not only do you want to justify your ideas, you want to bully, smear and her as those people with perfectly legitimate concern in order to shut them up. So what you're going to get is what happens when someone has a very real concern about something and you smear them and you you call them horrendous names.

Those concerns aren't gonna go anywhere. They're not gonna get really angry. They're not gonna fester. And eventually IT will turn into something nasty. yeah. And so by doing this and continually reaching up, the police uck a pressure cooker, continually ratcheting up the pressure, eventually it's going to boil over.

And I look at them, and I think to myself, do you know the forces that you are messing with? Do you understand what you're doing? Because eventually this is going to turn nasty.

And I really don't want IT to I I hope IT doesn't. But you can only do this place so many times before people go, you know what? You're gonna that fuck you and this is what i'm gonna do yeah.

And you run the risk of that, the ado they really do. They run the risk of that with these gangs taken over apartment buildings. And i'm not stopping IT. All of its very scary because that's whatever one's worried about.

What everyone's worried is that our level of crimes gonna SE up because you're bringing people from crime riden areas that have backgrounds, and you letting a man without betting on, and you can increase the crime, and you can increase organized crime and cartel crime. It's cars, the fuck out of people and you should and you can't let that in just because you want to win. You can't let that end as a side effect of this goal that you have to bring in these people that are probably wonderful people.

They just want a Better life. And they they take this crazy journey where they walk on foot across the country. Hey, I would do IT too.

I would one hundred percent do IT too. And I think you would as well if you were living those countries. And the red cross gave a map and said, this is what you got to do.

You got to make IT up here and go to these people to give your cellphone like, okay, you would do IT. Why wouldn't you do IT if they know you gonna get let in and then you get money in food stamps and put you up at the house? What, of course, you do IT.

And then you have, like these places like new york city, where these enormous luxury hotels are completely occupied with immigrants. What was that movie that that luxury hotel was in? There was like a famous movie.

Is that the jena Lopez movie made in manhattan? Is that the movie, wherever you have those people hold up, find out that IT. But it's like famous luxury hotel.

And they just, and then all the poor people in amErica like him, mother fucker. What about us? What about us?

What about the veterans? What about homeless people? What about all these people that are down on their luck?

What about all these people that are single moms? All these people that have no money? What about them?

Well, this question i'd be asking, if you mention eighty four percent of americans are concerned about this, if I was a democrat.

that's when I was .

a rose about .

hotel that is crazy. The roof out hotel is a famous hotel, and you look out beautiful that is on the inside was just over a year ago when the rose world hotel lesly and became the one stops. So this entire hotel, so if you're a hotel guy, right? And the homeland, whoever is that runs this program comes long and says, hey, we will fully occupy your hotel.

Twenty four, seven will give you x amount of money, you know maybe it's more money that you would get if you are a full occupation. Like you like OK sounds like a great deal. And so now you have housing for all these people.

And then the people that are living here are very upset. And they should be, you see, IT all the time, people in chicago or fuck and fed up and they like, we've been trying to solve the the crime in the poverty problem here forever. City would not say how much a cost to keep the facility running every day, but immigrant of affairs commissioner manuel castro emphasize how the car should be coming from the federal government. We hope that the federal government does more in support of asylum seekers.

It's like what you said, the federal government is giving money to hotel owners. Yeah, and so everybody's happy. Yeah, everybody y's happy. Except the people of amErica .

well expect the people that have to deal with the problems that come along with allowing people in their invented, especially people that come from place where it's violent, know and and crime is rampant and Normal. Well, this is.

this is what I was gonna is like if I were one of those democrats who secretly hobby these concerns, the question i'd be asking is, why isn't my party dealing with this right? Why if all of amErica basically agrees this is a problem? Why is IT a party political issue? Why isn't a thing that both parties agree on? By the way, as they used to right all the major democrat figures twenty years ago, I I had a whole chapter, my book about IT. They all used to .

say exactly what Donald trump is say now yeah ah they and especially obama.

he talked very clinton a they all talked .

about the importance of a secure, safe border that it's always been an issue because you want to protect american citizens is not racist like i'm all for immigration. I just think maybe we need to spend more money on letting people illegally, but how do you event those folks? That's the real question. Like how much paper work do they have?

How much of party thora? And like Francis and i've had to apply for this.

but you guys did they .

that's what i'm saying. But they have .

but even people. And I mean, if they're coming through the wrong way and you want to vet them, how can you even you know I don't think it's .

beyond the marriage if you put .

you from uh, a third world country yeah with very little paperwork like what how do they do .

that interviews? I would guess they try to find out where you lived like.

oh my god, how much resources .

that yeah but compared that to how much resource .

request host people in the fender. What you do with the amErica would .

save a lot of money if I put a lot more money into finding out who's coming here, making sure people have a legitimate claim they've applied legally and then you're spending the money where it's supposed to be spent and then you've got a safe fucking in country yeah and then .

and this is a really important point when people go because I did, you know, they do you know the the the argument about what we have to let these people in. You're letting people smuggles flourish. Ah, you're letting sex traffics flourish.

How many of those poor women ands are getting brought over and basically been turned into a sex lave? There's y've got no identity. They've got no right. How many of them have unknown this country?

No one. No, not zero. It's not it's a real concern and that's not something being brought up and said they are bringing up tony hinch Cliff joke because this is an inconvenient political issue that is very dangerous.

The republicans harp on IT. The democrats ignore IT to minimize IT. It's a giant issue that human smuggling things is a giant issue that there's something like three hundred thousand kids are missing.

They came across the border. They have no idea where they are. There's so many people. I mean, what is the number over the last four years that have come across illegally? What what's even the estimate is the estimated number of crossings is the highest ever that's ever been in modern history.

I think the biden has been around ten million total for what I said. But .

five, yeah. I mean, yeah.

what? And what effect is that having on society? Because also there is a law of unintended consequences. What gonna the effect? Not only now, but five years down the line, ten years down the line.

twenty years down. And do they have jobs for these people here?

Here's a thing. What they do for, like two dollars an hour, yeah.

right. But here's thing, like if there was more american manufacturing, and this is one of things that trump really wants to pursue, is incentivising american manufacturing and putting tabs on things that are brought in from overseas. If there's more american manufacturing first, all one of things that was exposed during covet that was a big one was how much we rely on stuff that comes from other countries, you know, especially medications.

A lot of IT was coming from china and there's a lot of equipment, a lot of things got to stuck. So here IT is what's the number? So the number games.

And also like not blaming but saying a law has to do with in twenty twenty three, the end of title forty two, or they couldn't excel people for covered related reasons anymore. And then that time to be with a test, you for cover with the come across the real grand river with the backbone. right? Ut, the up.

The one thing I wish the right did Better on this so is to talk and more humane terms about IT. It's always, yes, there is a kind of like this fucking illegals.

right?

We would all do what they're doing. We would the way.

talk about that. You know, like trump, trump did that they're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats also, a lot of them, very hard workers.

If you talk to springfield hio, one of things that these people that employee, some of these people saying is they're so thankful that they have this opportunity there. Patients are just like everybody else, man. They're just fuck people that want to do Better.

And a lot of these people that hire these folks are saying they are super hard workers are doing jobs and nobody wants the very thankful for IT. It's an opportunity for and then also you have bad people, right? Just like all groups of people that come from war torn, fucked up places and they come over here, you gonna have good ones and bad ones.

I am just saying, I just wished that iron, which is perfectly like, what you're same. Frances, this is the point you made very well, is like you just wish that I was directed at the people who are allowing this to happen instead of the people who who are coming because that's not gonna things.

What we need is we need to vet people, but also we need protections to make sure that people aren't be enforced to work for inhumane wages. And if we start doing that in america, well, how we are no different than fox con in china, with the funk and suicide nets are around the building, were allowing people take advantage of people that have no hope. And that's that's not did we one of the great things about american manufacturing.

If you have a plan in amErica and you have regulations in terms of like what they supposed to be paid in health care and the hours they work, you can ensure that you don't have to feel bad about buying a thing from those people. I give you buy a whatever you know, something that you know is made in america, for sure. I'll give you buy a ford truck that's made in oil or wherever they make up.

Hopefully it's made in america. So then when you don't have to feel bad that like that's what's going on with all these people coming across here. Ironically, they moved so many jobs and so many things over to mexico to get people to work for almost nothing so that these fucking CoOperations can make a little bit more money.

And we allow that to happen. And we allow that to happen. They killed american manufacturing. They killed IT.

That's that Roger and me movie, the if you ever seen Michael mos document around about flint, michigan to great documentary, but they just pulled out of of michigan, where they were making all the cars. And then these people have nothing right? They were checked to check while they were working there.

And then instant extreme poverty. It's a horrifying documentary. And and what .

these people don't realize is the effects that has on the community, not only the poverty elevee of IT, but world brings dignity. Job yeah IT brings purpose IT doesn't matter like, you know the level of job that you have. But if you're going out, particularly for men and you doing a job, maybe you hate you, but you know what? You're earning enough money, you can feed your kids, you can feed your family.

You go, i'm doing my job as a man. Yes, I am doing what I am meant to do when you take those jobs, which a lot of life, for instance, in in our country, in the U. K, A lot of these about these places were built around the factory, the plant.

They were the literal huber of the community, and then you had bars and cafe and restaurants around that. When you take that out of a community, you are ripping the literal soul out of IT. And all of a sudden these people who once had purpose and dignity have got nothing.

And IT doesn't matter, even if you give the money and you go look for your benefit. Nobody wants, nobody wants a life that's aimless. Nobody wants a life where you are dependent on hands outs.

This is what scares me about the future, really because of A I, what scares me about the future. And Andrew Young was really the first guy to bring this up. He was talking about automation. And I think that automation in A I, they built a whole road in china is like a very short period time just using roads or using robots rather.

And A I, if you did, you see that I know they're much more advances than we are with the drone technology like we have seen some of the light show drone shows that they do in china. They're unbelievable, unbelievable at drains moving across the sky. It's incredible.

All these drones moving in synchrony, they're all coordinated by A I and computers, and they're flying together like showing making objects in the sky is beautiful. So their AI technology in their drone technology, in their automation is already allowed them. Service project says, here, IT is.

So this is no humans, man. This is all robots. And they did this ship in record time. They did the road. Like if you are guy who this is your livelihood, you should be fucked and terrified.

And that was the source of this uh recent um this this recent thing that was going on with a long sherman's union right because the long sherman, we're going to go on strike and we're going to get fuck and replace. We know what's going on here. We want some protections in place because they see what's happening in other countries.

I think it's is a singapore that has a completely automated system for removing cargo. And you watch IT in the watch twenty four hours a day. You don't have to pay IT.

IT doesn't have kids, no injuries, no injuries. And it's and it's really good. They're fucked and super effective and they're going to get more effective. So you have a less mistakes.

No, you completely eliminate human error, you know? And then once they iron the systems out, they get them even Better and Better IT in a more robust. You, you're gona have no need for so many people that are working. So what do you do? You give them universal basic income. You tell them, find something that gives your purpose like, oh Christ, at the same time they have A I goggles and they're watching in virtual reality all day and they're even living in the world and anymore you're just getting a check from the government and free food.

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You could get really fucked and strange in this country in a short amount of time.

And you talk to these people are, you talk to what stuff they all .

think it's inevitable. I think they're all right. I don't think you could stop IT unless something disasters happens like a nuclear war or some sort of a horrific natural disaster that kills the grid.

We are probably just of a decade away from an unrecognizable world. Twenty fourteen is not that different than twenty twenty four. It's kind of pro similar cars looked the same.

You still at an iphone, so like not that still a laptop. Like how much is different? Your international a little faster.

How much is different? Not that much. Twenty twenty four to twenty thirty four is going to be fuck in bananas. We could be see a complete upheaval of society if you have one party that's completely in in control of the political process.

There's you know like there's no room for a third party now because they kind of boxed out the third party. There's libertarian s but good luck. Good luck.

I vote to for a couple of of them. Good luck. They can't win, right IT. Maybe he get to that point where republicans can win. That could be real. And then the democrat are going to act just like all tyres, all groups of people that have massive control over everything. They don't want to relinquish control for the, for the sake of democracy, the fuck up, the people that have ever did that with the greeks, and they were on drugs, they were to an asset, and they said, hey, everyone should have a vote.

you know. And if you have a populism is basically a just dependent on hand out, what you've got is a those so defeated population dependent.

dependent, dependent on you for survival.

So is not even in their interest to chAllenge you.

That's completely outside their interest that they have no leverage. There is no fuck you money.

So, so you know, what are they gonna do? The thing, the thing that worries me is I was, I was reading about the driving jobs and how many driving jobs there are in this country. And driving is still a very, very well pay job in this country.

You're a Lorry driver. You you earn a really good salary in this country. That's great. That's brilliant. But the moment automated driving comes in, but that's a whole way of mainly men who have got no way to go to a .

very good point. It's millions of jobs.

So they think it's inevitable .

and they think it's inevitable. Yeah.

I agree with them.

I don't know how we adjust to that. You human beings have had to make some major adjustments over the course of human history, right at moving into cities, dealing with mechanised things like cars and trucks and trains. This is massive adjustments that we had to make, but I hope any of more like this one.

Yeah, this is the industrial revolution on steroid.

Yeah, it's like and it's also coming at the same time is transforming m. It's coming at the same time as this potential integration with artificial intelligence that we're augmented goggles, which is like the tip despair, and then you're going to eventually get chips.

You once once things like neural link, and there's a few other competing programs once they develop something that enhances human productivity, enhances your mental capacity, your ability to perform maybe physical capacity, you know, there they're gonna be able to do things in our lifetime that are gonna make being a regular human seem stupid, just like being naked in the cold seems stupid. Like why would you be naked? You could just be warm, you fuck in, idiot. Like there are freeing when you get, have a nice dog jack on on, you're fucked and more on and that's what it's going to be like cogniac vely. Like, why would you want to be depressed when you can have clarity and enlightenment and you you could have instantaneous access to the wireless grid, as long as you don't have bad thinking, as long as you don't do anything that we don't like, as long as you have to shut you off.

Well, there is a book about, you know IT seems .

have some some and tilt .

the fuck out you know .

that book when you read IT, especially because I read IT in high school, I think, which was already one hundred and eighty four so it's like us is bulls shit like space nineteen ninety nine didn't really work out that way. There was A T, V show about people live in space in nineteen nine, I think because that's what they thought. So in the eighties, when did all well, write a book?

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have been IT would have been. I think he gained no, he because he was in a sanatorium. Now he was dying of consumption.

Tb, at that time, I think IT was forty six years. He wrote a while. He was dying. Yeah, he wrote.

that's why he was kind of dog man. One hundred and forty nine, forty. So he wrote right after the fascism of native germany and all that stuff and still yeah installing yeah and so he writes this book and IT just seems ludicrous the time but now .

it's like a .

and especially the wrong thing stuff that is wild .

you know just going just touching on the A I think what's interesting about A I is is also illiterate middle class jobs dr, jobs py, graphic design are pretty soon that's gonna be that's .

the middle class. But all the codes.

yeah all the code, all the cos be gone. You're gonna look at the law account and see why you going to imploy an account when you've got an A I to do all your books you just read IT into the algorithm IT sort IT all through boom.

My fear is is going get to point where we are for government and have really objective government, but doesn't have greed or lost or desire, or the need for power, ego to be validated. You IT does not need any. Those things IT doesn't ever tweet out.

I hate Taylor swift IT just plug in runs. Everything with the objective is to make the world Better. And the active objective is an equal allocation of resources, particularly like natural resources, that are really all of us.

Why should we have these corporations that control all the oil in the oil in the ground? The ground belongs to the humans. Why should anybody have unbelievable amount of influence on everybody else, just because they pull oil out of the ground? That seems crazy.

Until IT goes rock and goes, you know what, humans do a loaded damage to the planet. Yeah, that's the problem .

with being objective. They are really, you guys get to shit together. We're onna kill. You will have a meeting with us and say, hey, we need to get the a robbery, murder, rape, ate down to zero.

Let we put all the man in prison.

We do. We're just gna kill everybody.

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you know, it's that's why you you feel that I know people always hide up elections. They always hype up elections. Americans, you do show business in elections, bed in than anyone. I went to that. Trump, like, is one of the great shows i've ever seen.

You must want to watch mmb. C, because it's a naughty reland.

There was so many israeli flags, there was unbelievable.

And israeli flags.

loads of juice, loads of people .

recognize the hard called a nai flag with a lot .

of is really flag. Not really.

but that's what they're I just trying to win.

But you can't. You can't. The words have fucked in meaning job it's supposed to and for reason in that word, supposed to have a very specific meaning. And it's like he was a kind of a thing way. Like if someone said that about somebody, you'd go like, holy shit, I Better really make sure this guys and that I Better really make sure this isn't that .

then I used to be like, oh my god, the guys is a native. Like, you want to follow them seeing where is going to some secret meeting like, oh my god.

he's really a nothing is so irresponsible IT really grants my guest that and it's, I know you wana win, but this isn't winning this making the whole thing for him worse.

Yes, it's not good. It's not good and also is not good for them because all those mainstream media companies, all the M, S B C in the world that are doing this kind of shit, you're gonna lose more and more credibility like current emerging cut credibility. This is the reason why the washington post, why jeff basis was how to make that right, that article.

So we need more representation of conservative voices. We we can't be just endorsing presidents because you all agree to one thing and you want to like, educate the world. We are not activists. We're supposed be journalists. This is the reason on as businesses hammering ing money and lost amazing amounts of credibility like stunning, we've never seen a time where more people have lost faith in mainstream news.

But here's this, and you you talk about this in is one of the things you talk about. You talk about IT brilliantly. Words have changed their meaning.

Words no longer mean what they, what they used to. I saw this post from mark marine and is like he was going for the world record about trying to mention the word fascist. Every other senate. And i'm going, and I am sure, look, i'm sure mark is a decent guy and whatever else. But i'm sure if you sand down with mark and you go mark, 我不 explain to me what fascism is。

What do you mean by virtue signal? It's signal to the to the tribe. It's what IT is.

It's the and it's also there's a lot of jealous y markets to be at the top of the heat piece, the number one podcast. Now it's like even the top two hundred. He was a great guy when he was .

number one was .

good apologize body to be adequate, Younger man.

But but you like .

nuanced is very important. It's very important when human ID beings and as soon as you like, conveniently category something is fascist and White, a promising and I think is another word he likes to use. You're being silly and you're ruining your own credibility.

You're going to get a bunch people to agree with you. Yeah, right on, man. But they're silly too. We're just a bunch of human beings trying to co exist.

What we want on this election is a greater country, the country supposed to be a team that's it's supposed to be, is the most amazing thing. This idea that we're all in this together, we collectively were a tribe of people. But we, because of our fucking stupid instincts to be beyond teams, we've divided in ourselves right down the middle, essentially.

I mean, this depending on whose poll or what you want to read, what kind of like pretty close down the middle and one side thinks the other side is the end of everything and the other side the same. Yeah, it's it's so stupid. It's so stupid and it's just we don't have much time.

Human beings live one hundred if you're lucky i'm fifty seven and three quarters of the way dead if i'm lucky if everything goes great, why spend any time on nonsense? Why I spend any time just pledging allegiance to your tribe? Why not just try to have a perspective that will enhance this situation and and let people understand that we really over our skies, we're out of our fucking and minds.

We're really like forming at the mouth ier there. There's important things. And that the important thing is we got ta figure out away that we don't have a nuclear war.

We're got to figure out away where make IT easier to make a living. We have figure out away to make IT safer for people. We have to figure out a way to secure the borders and make sure that we're not letting in terrorists.

We're got to figure out a way to not have terror cells activated because it's going to be convenient politically. We gna figure out wait of not have FBI agents and citing people to enter the capital building. And we have to figure a way like there's a lot of shit. We have to figure out collectively as a group.

And there's also the tragic element of IT. And people don't talk about this tragic element enough. If you think about IT, we live in an even more optimize society.

We we hang out less. We see we we we are our social groups against smaller and smaller. That's just the fact of of how societies going.

Think about the people who ve lost friends. Look who was relationships broke up. Marriages broke up over politics. Yeah, there's a guy right now in the U. K. Waking up in a little flat somewhere and he's looking around and he went out, fuck, I lost my late, my marriage. I don't see my kids anymore because .

of bricks IT crazy.

It's not just about that is over here. It's like if you're married to a trump supporter in your Harry support you fighting over the dinner table, that person is the enemy. IT happens to people all the time where people get red pilled, you know and then they sort of like want to leave their ideological group.

And in the other person that you're with, maybe business partner, maybe maybe you're lover, they hate you know you you're part of the enemy in a bunch people, they don't give fuck about you. They don't care about you and you pledged allegiance to people. They don't even know your name, they don't even know, they don't know a thing about you, and they're are lying on TV every night and you're still all in for them. You make IT homemade signs running out the door and hold this what you put in signs up on your lawn. But righteousness .

is such a drug man, like when we were standing in that line in new york, there was a guy that walk past, he was like, enjoy your not really to like a family with Young kids. You a good guy. You A Y you know, I don't care your politics is you're not a good guy. You know, you feel good when you're shouting like you. You not behaving in the right .

just gives unt the ability to scream at people because they think they're right. You especially if you very label those people not see you enjoy your nazi rally like you could deal with whatever you want, a nazi. You know, that was the whole thing back in the day.

We remember punch and nazi like. But who gets to determine who the nazis are? If you're in world war two, yeah, you have to punch a nazi. But if you're in brookline, I bet that guys not really a nazi, he might .

just have a tie on .

listen to this podcast yeah you might be listening this get inched on the way.

But you know I I would love camera Harris to come on this podcast. That's the podcast I want na see the most and .

but I just that feel like very strongly that if it's going to be done and has to be done like a regular podcast because I still know where IT works, only works. You just sit down, talk with somebody can go to some bowl room and some hotel where they control everything and they have cameras ready and they want to edit stuff out. So like there's just too weird, not the same thing like you go to see cold bear, you know you you're on his side. You don't ask him to make a set you like at the White house like, you know you doing IT where he does IT telling you.

But that is why i'm still we've had a depressing conversation. I am still excited because that thing you're talking about, you know, jeff, that's the market working. Your ratings are tanking.

No one trust you. No one buy your fuck newspaper. Okay, who's doing here, right? Let's have a look around who's successful with this.

okay? Maybe we need to do that thing you were talking about. Go without bucket. Maybe we need to actually have a conversation. Maybe we need to have i'd love for you to have trump and Harris in here that be interested.

Well, that I said to him, I said, what really should be the two view? Sit down our conversation for as long as attack. Just, no, no moderator, no one.

There not even a moderate .

you think need to be in the way IT would be.

How I get? How long it's like?

What you okay? How are you gonna fix the economy? How are you gna fix the economy? Like, I want to do this. That was my idea.

No time limit. No, not like the U. F, C. Effect in the day. I mean.

that would be how you would really like when you see two people on a panel and they're talking about things and one person really knows what you're talking about is bill mar ever when that happens? It's always fascinating to watch someone like way out of their league and they get exposed. But that same person could be doing a softball interview and they look like a wizard.

They look like a genius because they already have their predetermined answers to questions that already been presented them so they prepare. And that's essentially what you've been getting a lot with. Common Harris, you ve been getting a lot of this prepared stuff. You know, well, I was born in middle school family and has a thing that she's going to say. And, you know.

yeah, and you know what to me is I I would love to see this, but broadening out in society. To me, the most interesting conversations are when you talk with people who disagree with you, who see the world in a different way. Yes, because not.

That does two things. Not only do learn something, but number two, you find out some of the things you think of shit. Yeah, and they're wrong.

And then they go hanging on. Actually they are true. Look at, look at, know.

wow. Actually you're right. So IT makes you're wronger and you become a more fully rounded human being.

But that requires good faith. Yes, that requires good faith. Those conversations don't happen if both of the people are playing to an audience.

People have a really hard time with good faith because the private good faith is yours. Have to admit, you lost. yes.

yeah. And people get so attached to an idea, they say an idea. And once they said, IT, that is a part of their fucking and DNA, they will argue for that. They don't want to be wrong. They don't want be wrong, even smart .

people yeah especially smart people.

I don't argue with the friend of my ones about um divorce and that women get pay more in divorce. We are talking about like how the divorce system is kind of fuck because lawyers pray upon IT in order to jack up their rates and then they turn the couple against each other.

They are like, way able, he said, there's but that mother fucker and the next, you know, I want more and then they get what really what happening is the lawyers jacking up his rate. He's dragging things out and then know, I know guys that have been devastating ted by divorces and his argument was my gab. But isn't IT fair? The woman gets all the money because women only make seventy five sense a dollar for what man make.

I go, do you know that's not true? You understand what that he didn't want to believe? I was like, no, that's not what I go. It's that you have different jobs and they work different hours. That's where the seventy five cents comes from.

It's not like a guy and a woman work together at the same job they bought to the same job and the guy makes a dollar and SHE makes seventy five sense. That's not where he was. Like, no fucking in way I goes, yeah and then we looked IT up is like, wo.

In his mind, he was always the the labor market is unfair because women to get him fucked over because men take advantage of them the way we're talking about them, taking advantage of illegal immigrants and make them work for less. Now if you were working in the CoOperation, and woman does just as good a job as a man, and yet she's well in to work for seventy five cents, you never only women working for you like they just want to make money. They don't give a fuck about like all that, the D I should.

That's just how they can make more money. Like what what I got to do to get apart of this would have to do to get grants. What have to do to get I would get more loans, would have to do like that's all that .

that is yeah and it's again, the problem is, is IT makes everything so divisive yeah because look, the vast majority of people, the vast majority only care about fairness. They want you to be fair or as fair as possible. And when something is so egregious and so unfair, that's where anger takes hold, that's where resentment takes hold, and that's when people get nasty because they feel that they've been cheated.

And in some cases, they have. And they go, you know what, i'm not gonna take part in your game, your games wicked. So you know what? Fuck, fuck your game.

And this is what i'm gna do. And once that happens, you don't have conversations, you don't have good faith and you don't have any type of solution to the problem. yes.

And the things that that can help a psychodeviant. Xy, I think IT off the schedule one you have fuck in domac's bunch of be little, never experienced IT. Um there's a lot of hope in the future.

And I think one of the big hopes is that these kind of conversations that we have are popular. Yes, where that wasn't even a thing twenty years ago was impossible to get. If you were having a conversation about issues, there be IT would be on television and would be approved experts.

They be someone who's an expert from a university or someone who's an expert from a CoOperation. And they would be talking to about things or someone from the government, they would they they had fully controlled the narrative. They don't have that anymore.

That's that's weird. And we have IT for a small amount time before A I takes over. There's like this brief window where people have access to like real discussions and then A I is going to take over.

Well, this is happening like in the U. K. There's the conservative parties have an election now like whoever wins that, we'll have them on our show and have a conversation to find out, know what they're all about. And by the time of the next selection here and in the U. K, I think this is gonna the primary of vehicle if you want to get your message out that this kind of conversation.

I think they're probably all going to do their own too, which would be heaved them. You know, like if someone like, let's say something like rand paul, if an paul decided to make a podcast, I bet that would be pretty fuck in. Popular, real popular.

Like, look what happened to tuck or cross and after he left fox news, like they fired him from fox news because they didn't like what he was talking about. I don't know what the whole story was. I've heard a bunch of different versions of IT, but the bottom line is he became very bigger if you thought he was a problem when you had him under control, when he was working for a corporation.

Now you can talk about whatever he wants. If you got some guy oba fucking not. I was.

Like what are you do? Like this is crazy, but that's the kind of shit you can do if you don't have any sort of guard rails. You don't have any executives, you know, any producers.

The thing that gives me hok to is most people, they're not gonna want that. Most people, what they're .

gonna want to hold up, the obama did, guys, everybody, everybody.

everybody 没 带进去。 你 不是。 But but I think, I think when people are craving a middle ground, people crave that. People desire that. One of the reasons, you know, the BBC is in free for at the moment and the emerging viewers and listeners and all the rest of IT is because people think that their bias and they have every right to. And but when people talk about the demise of the BBC, most people, they're not happy about IT.

They are sad because they know that is that IT was a valuable place where people from left and right came together the debate ideas to share ideas, and people would listen to make up their own minds. Yeah, people still crave that, joe. And that's what gives me hope, is that that's what people want.

You gonna get people who wanna listen to, you know, now, I was in a gang bang with obama, whatever IT was people, people gna clip that now, and whatever. But you, you know, you like that a fringe. But the average person is curious and they just want to hear a center ground and they want a .

source that's interesting in reliable. That's the BBC used to be, you know the BBC is they put on that embro documentary when we went to the congo, the the first time they were saw that chimpanzee eat monkeys. Remember that like that that and burgh that's BBC.

The BBC had one of the best documentary on the congo i've ever seen in my life is incredible. Like I used to have on V H S. Like multi part multipart documentary on the congress, he should do incredible stuff.

But in america, to a lesser stand, that that was vice news. Like vice news used to be incredible. Vice is news is to all is really interesting stuff.

And I had chained Smith on from vice news, who he started. IT needs to be the head of IT. And then he walked away from in IT completely, fell apart, went well.

went broke, because he left. No.

what he left. And then IT wasn't just that he left. He was also like, who are the people that were coming in? right? There are these Young, old kids that are coming in from universities, and all sudden they had this idea of they should be doing in journalism, and its journalism slash activism and IT just became bulls shit and nobody pay attention to anymore and lost od's money.

Well, that's why I always say, like people love to share on the mainstream media, as I do to some extent. But my my view is we need the mainstream media, just not this one. Well.

I think the way to do IT is the way it's it's probably going to be independent mainstream media, right? And when IT stops being independent, people will give up on and go to a real independent one, and unfortunately are probably be fake independent ones that are like state sponsor that are trying to make IT look like they are real. And there you gonna na bunch A C I, A plant and a bunch of different integrated infrared podcast.

You gonna have that kind of stuff. But that's just like, you know, it's like the graduate whit mark kidnapping in case when you have twelve different FBI informant and two people that don't know what the focus going on. And these are the people that are coordinated, the kid di c, it's mostly the FBI enforcement, which is just nuts. Things get inflated. You know.

got a suck to be that vice guy because you build this thing and it's working and it's great .

and not just that, he won't broke. Wow, me not broke, broke. But yes, I think you lost a billion hours. wow. Yeah, maybe more. Ww, yeah, not.

You know, it's but again, I come back to IT, which is like there is so much potential now, there is so much space. And if you are one of those journalists and look, let's be onest. Well, we've got our Prices.

Everyone here has got a i'm perfectly neutral.

but everyone's got what they think. But if you do and you're open about IT, people accept that people go, you know, okay, you know joe, you know whatever joe is on, whatever you constantly, whatever he is, but they will be far more accepting of that because you are honest, you are authentic. It's like David men said, what that come from the heart, go to the heart. And if you were prepared to have that honest conversation, well, submitting that this is what you think and this is what you believe, that is a far richer, more fulfilling experience for the viewer or the listener than someone just giving out talking points and saying, I agree, because that rapidly gets very boring. There's an audience for IT, but you know, back and forth from cottom throws and hung, and you say this, but you that I love watching that I love .

listening to that yeah. Well, real, honest discourse is fascinating, especially by two intelligent people that have different perspectives. It's fascinating because you say this guy is obviously very smart and this person is obviously very smart and they're talking and you get a chance to see like what how do you come to your conclusions?

Are you willing to admit that other people have points? Like or are you just steam rolling them when they question you about something? It's contradicted about the way you think. Like how are you thinking? And I think we all learned by watching other people think and discuss things.

absolutely. But the difference is this is where the medium is. The message point really applies.

That takes a lot of time. Yeah take any issue that that in any way controversial. The idea that you can the reason issues are controversial is that people don't agree.

That's what controversial means, right? People don't agree. People have different perspectives. The reason they have different perspectives and is that that is an issue which is difficult to have consensus on, right?

That means that is you so complicated you cannot discuss IT in five minutes, right? It's gonna a take hours and something really it's gona take for sometimes he's gna take years of research to come to a conclusion about certain things. The idea that you can judicis that through the medium of two people having a bust up on, they show whether just it's optimize for anger and outrage.

That's ridiculous. That's not how you get to the truth. The way you get to the truth is you take your time and you have a conversation yeah and that's why I think we keep using that world.

But that's what I do have hope. As you say before I takes over the that format allows. I'm not saying that the only way these conversations goes there, a lot of dumped IT, is a lot of dumped being set on podcast all the time as well. But there is the space for that kind of conversation as well. And that that .

is good yeah poca a lot like twitter conversations. Lot of a lot of dumped a lot of good shit to yeah and that's very similar and that they are both kind .

unregulated yeah and IT but it's important that you hear dumped. It's important it's it's really important that you hear IT and also is why I believe, you know, I hate political correctness because IT IT stops conversations from happening. Or what he does is IT means like they take immigration, if like you say, or if you if you say this point of you, that's racist.

You're only gonna talk about seventy percent of the problem. You're not going to talk about this thirty percent here. If you don't talk about this thirty percent here because it's politically incorrect. You are never gonna solve the problem because the only way to solve the problem is to talk about every facet of the problem. And if you you know, and if you're not going to approach thirty percent weather ever gonna .

to us and that's when you get rides like we had in the U. K, yeah that's how that happens. Yeah when you try to suppress the discussion, that's what happened.

And you guys don't have .

guns and we don't thank fuck we don't have guns because it's getting pretty heat.

And man, yeah, i've seen some stuff teams wild over there. You know, the real fear if trump lands is civil discourse or a civil unrest, rather in this country. A lot of people were scared to that because they remember what happened when you want in twenty sixteen, you know? And there was some of IT.

There was very peaceful, like the women's march, though no violence. The women's march to speaker, you may make sure there were some, but IT wasn't like the B, L M marches. The B, L, M marches were crazy.

right? Do you think that's gonna en if he wins?

I think there's a certain amount of that that's coordinated and I think there's a certain amount of that that they they do to uh initiate civil unrest to um to further their political goals. I think there is a certain amount of that that's real. I think that's always been in the case.

There's always been um agent provocative tours that go into peaceful protests and starts matching things so the cops can come in and shut everything down. And then there was during the B, L, M, i'm sure you saw. So during some of the the protest riots, that there was these bricks, they were just left everywhere.

Did you see that? Yeah, there is some places there was pilots of bricks that were just left in the middle of the course of where these protests would be, didn't make any sense. Like, why is this there? And there is these conspiracy theories, and there are all these people there absolutely dismissing the conspiring. There is not.

Like, why would you dismiss IT? Like, do, do, do you think that some people benefit from civilian and rest? They certainly do. If you wanted to, uh, get the the public riled up and get you just start smashing things like them on fire and give people this feeling that they could do that.

I was a wild's time man, crazy time. I was a war and and a lot of the people who were right at the front of that cheerleading IT on from the sidelines, it's like what they did would joe by and like yesterday he was the leader of the free world is perfect guy. He's got no cognitive issues. And tomorrow, bam, he he's done .

but the defend the police of that was all about defunding the police. Are you out your flood in mind? Do you don't know jack said about police work on your saying to define the police. But even some people that knew about IT we're using as a political tool, common haris was saying deep on the police.

Would you ask her about that? If you sure? Yeah.

ask her about changing perspectives. I think it's important that people change perspectives like people say all they flip lopped. Well, that's probably good, but means they maybe.

We were faced with Better evidence, and they realized they were incorrect. I would rather have that. And someone like sticks to some stupid ironist idea forever.

And the real question is, did they actually change their mind.

right? That first, are they just a politician like some people car salesman, some people tell you need the under carriage protection. You need that under .

carriage protection.

And it's it's very important and and it's also .

the way they marketed that they were like, this is a left wing idea. I'm telling you right now, people who are poor want police. Yeah, if you live in a poor deprived area with high rates of crime, you want police.

You don't want to drug deal on, you know, selling crack. You don't want armed gangs roaming around. You want them to come and protect your family. So the idea that we are going na get rid of police and all of a sudden all the rapists are going to decide.

and not for me, but there was also so many weird ways to handle the riots, like one of things they did in near your city. Just let people do whatever they wanted to do and let IT burn out, which is, apparently that was a way that people theorized. That was the best way to deal with civil and and rest.

Wait way back into the sixties. But I was proven not be correct. It's not a good idea because he encourages people .

to do more shit. You've got kids, joe. yes.

If your kids are running riot, do you let IT just burn out? no. Fuck now. no. Well, the .

especially when people look, if you're in new york, like i'm street saw like sex with avenue, all these different stores that got their windows smashed to people, still millions of doors smash destroyed, let things on fire like why would you ever want to come back to that city? Why would you ever want to have a business that you are going to kill the businesses that keep people coming to the city and help the economy? That's insanity.

It's disparting. It's actually disparately. And because when you saw those events happening, you just felt like I I was watching going what is happening, what is happening to society. Because every time someone commits a crime and they get away with IT and you see IT IT has a demoralizing effect on you because you think i'm on a minute on work hard on pay tax, i'd do all of this and you are allowed to just go around room scot free nickle the stuff make and then there's no repercussions for IT. So why am I with taking part in a system which is effectively punishing me?

Yeah, it's art is the best way to put that. I going to peat real. K, do that. Yeah, much Better concentrate.

be. yeah. That is so true the moment you, me, it's, I remember doing a gig at the end of professional, and the crowd were just awful.

They just won't going for anything. And I was like, why is this? And one of the comedians turned around to meet. He was raining outside so much so he went, they've all got wet socks. You can't be happy when you go well, you can't be happy .

when you go when socks on. Maybe you should try some hate speech. The guy get arrested in, uh, ireland because you refused to call a boy a girl and teacher. E je.

it's been a war. It's been a war and it's .

a that's really crazy. But it's a logical .

conclusion of this hate speech bullsh right? If it's hate speech, then you have to prosecutor. If you prosecutor, you have to punish people. If to punish people, how do you punish people?

You put them the forking change. And it's also as well as our whole safety ism issue, which we need to keep people safe.

Yeah and if words are violence.

that's another one yeah and if somebody is going around sporting hate speech, he's making .

people unsafe.

But and it's that's what it's all about. You've made me feel unsafe, therefore I am unsafe. And what .

do we need to do about that? You put cage, yeah so it's time to start common boys, girls or girls, boys or whatever the fuck we tell you to. This is completely a logical.

He says he was jailed because he broke like a transposing. Or we're kind of for that for going back. There were no told not.

That would be the third time.

Yes, third time. Go back to the school. Yeah, he went back to the school to talk to people are some anatta arrest. So he got fired.

Why he was not arrested? First position on transgender pronounce as claimed in misleading social media posts, social media users shared ed a video burks rest outside the school september second, where is heard saying, I have a right to work here. I A right to be here, not to tell students that they need to take puberty blockers.

But jane, this is the third time that what was he arrested for initially because that's really kind of what we .

are talking about. Grow down the bottom now I mean, here he says more IT is there um other people of camera also say you arresting him because you want endorse gender change, gender ideology and a otb k teacher being arrested for not accepting transgenderism people circuiting the clip online suggests burke was arrested for his views with some writing breaking irish police arrest teacher and not bert for not endorsing trans ideology so was he fired for not that terms of injunction that instructs him to stay away from the school? So he must have been fired for that. And then he refused to just leave. And so he kept come back and then they arrested.

I mean, you know.

but that said, he was arrested for a third time. Yeah, so i'm guessing the previous two arrested might not have been for trespassing. They might have been four things that he said that.

well, this is the thing that I find the most egregious is when you get kids involved. Because the thing is with kids, kids don't know, they don't understand the concept, a lot of them of especially Young age of gender. So and they're very impressive of children, of course they are.

So you can pump t them full of this stuff. And eventually they can believe that they all, like adults, will go on a minute. The old k is the majority that are highly suggestible.

That's why children have parents because they're not capable of making their own choices IT really is that simple. That's why these teachers, that's why they know there's adult leaders yeah so they go to them. You are not capable of making this decision because your brain is not mature enough, is not developed enough.

I am an adult, I will be the one making your choices. And then when you get whatever age eight, eighteen, twenty one, depending on the thing, then you can go off and you can live your life and you can do whatever you want. Until then, I am the one in charge. And to this idea that then you then let as something as huge, this where there's gonna medical intervention and surgeries, i'm gonna call IT what IT is joke that child abuse.

it's child abuse. At least the'd stopped IT in the U K. In the surgeries. Blockers developing more is still like he said he didn't want to call the student day so they told him administrative or leave and he kept coming back to the school .

OK they put .

yeah so that's what he is um instructed staff that a pupil who was transitioning to another gender wish to be referred to buy a new name and the pronouns day, a change supported by the people's parents berk from castle bar county mao, who teaches history, refused, citing his religious beliefs the school would burke on paid administration of leave after a little confront to the principal at a public event and questioned her in a heated manner, a claim burke denies. After berk continued to attend the school, IT obtained a court order barring him for the campus. He continue to show up, prompting his jAiling for .

contempt of court. right? So this sounds like a guy making a stand.

Yeah.

you know. And you know what even more nuts about this island is a catholic country. Yeah, island is a country that muhamad .

being the number one named for Young boys in island. Yeah, really. Yeah, there's a number one name for boys.

I mean, the the catholic fate is changed a lot.

a lot to be removed there.

Yeah.

but but you know what as well?

It's find statistics because statistics cry. I type up up way in which IT is but maybe is .

number two.

maybe I think he was number one for Young boys in like one of the most recent years.

I hope they're calling .

the girls that that would be so cruel. But is that says land in galway city is a .

galloway go .

pops up top brians number one name in ireland.

brian ryan. But you know this again is what gives me hope you, is that especially in the U. K, we have for really long and hard against the stuff. There was A A report done by one of the one the most important pediatricians called doctor cash, the case report.

And IT basically took a bulldozer to all of this crap, to all of the, and you go, this is what we can do if we just start chAllenging and we go, no, boys cannot become girls. Girls cannot become boys. That doesn't mean that if you know somebody y's having gender this, or they need, they do have therapy, talk to them, help them.

Of course, all of this thing, we need to look at the reasons why girls are wanting to transition in their droves. Why is this? Particularly forty percent of girls who are wanting to transition. We've got autism. We need to talk about this. We need to investigate IT, and we need to help these kids, but just giving beauty blockers and sending them on the stream to essentially have their life medicalized for the rest of time, that in a solution and is profitable.

which is even scary. So once these these institutions become established and start making money, but they want to continue.

that's why I think we're ahead of the U. S. In the U. K. Because we don't have that profit motive to do.

Do you think I was going to ask you to do you think we've reached peak walked? Do you think we've passed now? You think we .

have turned the tide? It's still here. I mean, it's like we killed off most of the wolves. They're still a lot.

I think it's always gonna be a thing that people ascribed to this, always going to be a thing that people join up with because it's very they are very aggressive in the ideology. And people like aggressive things, just like nazis, never really want to work. There's just like way less of them.

You know like when you get on twitter day, you can still find some real nates, which is kind of crazy because you thought after forty five, oh, we hit peak note. You know it's over, but it's not there's always going to be work people. There's always going to be crazy, ridiculous people that have take things to the extreme.

In the sixties there was the weather underground. You know, you're going to have people that are out of their fuck and mine, you going to have antia. You're always going to have something like that where people believe the most extreme version of something because that that gives a meaning. And it's a group you could just join, anybody can join, then you start fighting for because those other people are the the downfall of civilization.

You know, I wonder about that online stuff because based on what I said, don't see that reflected in like Normal day to day life. And we had to actually say, Clair on our show last time we were in the us. And SHE was talking about all these idiots running around going repeal in nineteen th.

You've heard this bullshit and he said at the time, SHE said, a lot of this is foreign influence. And I was like, okay, I mean, I don't know. And then you had this ten of media thing.

Did you follow this? What is ten of media? IT was a little ten of media did did you follow that?

Not much. yes.

So I was basically um the russian government, through various proxies, gave ten million dollars to people in amErica in Lawrence IT was law and husband's company. Oh.

that's right. So what was going on with that? Were they saying positive things about russia that I don't .

think is from what i've seen and maybe wrong about this, I didn't see any evidence that any of the influences who ended up being paid were like on the payroll to do specific things.

Do you think it's valuable to them to give the money just they can kind of those people can be dismissed.

It's so that those people can pollute the space, right? If everyone thinks the right wants to repeal women's right to vote, right? That divides society and IT creates chaos.

Like when I see all these nazis talking online, I don't see that. Ref, like we went to the trump ali. None of them was that that every time israel got mentioned, there was a big cheer you don't want to mean. So I don't see that reflected in reality. And I wonder how many of those thousands of likes and retweet a real right?

That's a factor. Did you see the thing that happened at the trump boat rally in florida where a nai boat pulled up and they had like swatis and everything in the whole deal, and with masks on and everybody just started housing them, the fuck idea, because it's a kind of asian provocator deal where you probably have someone, some group, they wants to make all the trump people look like nazi. So they show up. And then I saw media report on IT like the native flags we're seeing the trump rally.

Yeah and and it's a great point. But the thing we always focus on what the right is, the far right, and we should focus on them and we should talk about them. Yeah, we never talk about the far left and communism, right? And you know people on, and there were people in the labor party eloge zing chavez run about two thousand and five at the same time as he was putting my relatives in jail.

Yeah and then they would just say, going and then they've all moved on. And they've disappeared like butterflies in the wind, and no one addresses IT anymore. And everyone's, I all will. That's fine. You go. So with the consistency, if you gonna hold the right to account and you should hold the right to hold the right to account, you've got to hold your own side to account with. People are like, well, communion was never tried, and you got, I think IT was my.

yeah, just wasn't tried.

right? Well, there is.

No, I figured out. Yes.

the reason asked about peak walk because I heard rome manual, remember he was a bomb s chief of staff mayor chicago. He was on the samurais is podcast and they had a very interesting conversation where people in the center of the the left, they are backtracking on workers and quickly that was just a moment. Yeah we let some crazy that that kind of they talking.

I don't know about sam. I think sam's uber antioch always has been. And he was pushing a manual to kind of a go.

Why doesn't camera Harris come out and say, look, I went along with old walkshed like many was did right? That was a moment. You know, I was wrong about that. We're not talking about that now. We're talking about make amErica Better, make amErica Richard.

Like why doing? Why doesn't? Why don't those people just draw line under IT and say that was a mistake? And a lot of people on the center left now I awake to this moment. I think that's just me. That's why I asked you because this does seem to be .

something happening yeah something is happening in I think IT IT was inevitable because it's so much of what people are dealing with, just stupid, so much push back against IT and that's what trump represents. And that's what the the the reason why there were seventy five thousand people outside of maazel square garden and you know, the place was overflowing with humans. That's what IT represents.

Like people are tired of being badgered. They're tired of being lectured to the tired of being told what to think and what to say, what to believe. And they don't like.

They don't like that this one party is keep talking about change. But they are bit in control for twelve at the best or is two about, I know, fourteen at the sixteen years? That's crazy.

Yeah, how can you be talking about change? Tired of IT. They wants something to be different that makes them feel like there's hope.

And there was a tired of being called bad people. Yeah, because at the end of the day, left and write, there are both half the fucking country, right? So you can't run a country by claiming that half the country's evil.

And in some way you can. You can do that about the right. Can't do that about the left.

Look, the people are on the right. They are the firefighters on the police, officers on the soul, just a theoretically speaking. And of course, there's left one five know, yeah, you gna run a country without firefighters and police. You're going to run a country without .

soldiers running a country of that police .

do not very well. yeah. And likewise, you need also the more creatively minded people who are on the left and who who run administration of shared and other kinds of things. You need both sides to realize in this country you all americans, in our country, your old british, like you want to to be tribal, go for a, but let's agree, we're all one. And then we can go be tribal against china or whatever.

We need someone who's a leader who can that is a part of one of the major parties who can say that in sort of unite people. And you're not getting that from either side. Either side.

Is the other side stupid and they're ridiculous. Gone to be the downfall of us. And this is a dumb person.

This is a evil person. There's no I there's like IT should be. I don't think you have to do IT that way. I really don't because I think if somebody just avoided all that stuff and just focused entirely on the good things that are possible, if we all work together, everybody is not gonna listen to their opponent who is constantly hitting on them with the if this one person is sitting on the other person relentless lesly and the other person is new, respond to IT just talks about what they want to do, that person is really stupid and petting. But if as soon as you engage now, you're just like them and now it's like I had to hit him back, like do do really about just say what you think you can do and say what needs to be done and how you're onna do IT.

And I think this is a reason why we in this country, in the U. K. Have made far greater of strides with the whole, with the whole in medical intervention with children issue is because it's not really a political issue.

People on the left of spoken out against IT, and people on the right and the and the people like heroes like J K. rolling. And the moment you get people like that talking about IT on both sides, people are then able to listen because it's someone from their side who they think is inverted commas. A good person going she's talking about .

IT to the thing that SHE tweed about the purely blocker study that they wouldn't release. Yeah, that's so crazy. They they made a hubert ty blocker study.

They found that IT doesn't help the kids. No, doesn't help their rental health. And they thought that I would IT bolden the other side, so they decided not to release IT. So you found out that is bad for kids, you know, want people to know that it's bad for kids. And SHE wrote, so you could keep doing terrible things to kids.

you know. And and then, but again.

shouldn't just shouldn't be a apart as an issue.

right course, especially with children. SHE is is crazy. The also the thing in the U.

K. You guys are socialized medicine. Yeah um so there's not this giant machine behind that the way IT is here.

The other thing about amErica y's advertisement. So this is one of two countries in the world where farmers, mutual drug companies can advertise. And that's not good. That's clearly not good. We're fuck and full on captured by them and the amount of money that they can make.

And then the whole system behind them is so deeply and grain and money, you know, just they've got their hooks in deep in politics and television, in media, they've got their hooks in deep. And that's not good. And that's why you can have these conversations in amErica and medical stuff gets connected to left or right when.

But the great thing is with amErica is your first amendment. You so lucky to have that. You're so lucky that you don't have what we have where people with politicians are openly talking about.

We need to tackle islamic bia, you know. And you go always talking to a very, very senior member of the of the police. He came to one of my gigs, and then we've got to the true home.

And this is a very, very senior guy deals with government. And I go to him, how long do you think until we have hate speech laws in the in the U. K, in in england, because scotland has a different legal system? And he went probably two to two and a half years.

And the, and the fact, and the fact that that in this guy was just very matter of fact about IT made me, made me realize that we're in trouble. We're in trouble because if government comes in and starts legislating, starts clamping down, that's when you live in on, under authority, an regime and run the authoritarian rule. But the fact you have this free speech amendment, and you've said IT yourself, if you don't believe in free speech, you're not american, that that is such a beautiful.

This is the way people have to look at IT. You would think that stopping hate speech would be a good thing. And I would IT would be great if everybody voluntarily stopped using hate speech. IT will be wonderful. But as soon as you can define hate speech in a simple items as calling someone by the original name, when you've decided to change gender, like if you don't want to be Francis anymore, but I insist on call you Francis, and you can put me in jail for that, that really crazy.

And that's dangerous because it's just control, and you can't allow that kind of control to be in the hands of any government body where, because of the words out of your mouth, they can now put you in a cage that's a crazy president to set. Forget to put yourself outside of whose rider who's wrong. And just think about the concept of the words that you say.

An opinion, views, spouse can put you in a cage. You don't everyone to give the government that because that can keep moving, that the definition of what is hate can keep moving. IT can keep moving to a really ridiculous place, which I think IT is if you you're doing things like gender identity, especially if someone decide like if admiral levine, that person, that Rachel levine person, if you can't say that, looks like guy, if you can't say that and you get a jip.

But now you're getting a locked up for what? For accurate observations. This is nuts and it's dangerous because once you set a precedent, then they can keep moving that further, further down the line.

They attached you to a social credit score system, and then you decide whether that you can buy groceries. And now they can kind of dictate your behavior in the way you talk and think. And now were in nine hundred and eighty four .

legit and and you even be a genius to understand this. If you look at history, look at all the societies with speech is heavily restricted. You would not want to live in any of those places.

You don't get any creativity miss out on everything that IT is to be in america. You miss out on all the, this is like the in terms of, like entertainment, how much entertainment comes out of the united states that the world consumes in terms of music, comedy, movies, a giant percentage of the world's entertainment comes out of right here because you have the ability to freely express yourself.

Yeah, and that's a reason hollywood ds in the doldrums now, because they don't have the ability to freely express them.

You know, get fuck with grabbers can still get. While they get fuck in wild, they still do. They say crazy shit and wrapped songs you could never get away with in any kind of rocks and roll song or a pop song.

You know that mexico t do, you know knows in that guy is and that didn't here is awesome. He's hilarious, but he's got, this song is like late laban folk in. The rap is ridiculous.

It's so crazy. But it's like that old school brag docia fun, kind of like music again, entertainment. He's a wonderful guy.

You meet him was a really nice guy. Very cool, very cool, very fun. But it's an art form. It's an art form, just like death metal is an art form. It's like a kind. People like different shit and wrap, for whatever reason, has gone to pass because people are scared to be in all racist.

Nice .

black privilege.

They should .

have had him open the thumb.

amazing. Yeah, I think, I think he performed from Andrew shelters special. Yeah, I think he did. You are, at least Andrew used as long.

I mean, what they did to Andrew was well as well.

Did you follow this faster? But again, have the opposite effect? Yeah no. So that was a this brooklin theater. Uh, they found out right after he did the trump, uh.

Podcast three hours later, they pulled his special like he was supposed by filling a special there, heard he done to walk through the theater like a proved the theater. They were gonna ll tickets and they pulled IT. And it's just a political thing.

But what are what do they these are assuming business people, right? Yeah, what the fuck do they think they're .

achieving by doing? They know he'll do IT somewhere else. He's big enough work doesn't matter.

Andrew can do anything and he's huge so he can go anywhere else. Anybody, any other place would be happy to have them. But they take a stand.

So there's signals to their order.

Yes, they're signals to their community that people don't feel safe. You know it's but you know IT IT has the opposite effect. IT just makes Andrew bigger.

People find out about they get outraged. They can't wait to get tickets for his new place. So is now he's going to go to a new place. It's bigger and Better and he's going especially even bigger.

Yes.

yeah, he's an undeniable guy. Yeah there are certain people that are just undeniable forces are deniability talented and they'll find a way through all the stupid shit. Tony is one of them.

He's undeniable. They'll make his way through this and be Better than ever. But this attacking that they did with Andrew, that just was so effective and I just made him bigger, but I was not really attacking. They just said they don't want to be a part of IT, which I guess if it's your fucking and theater and you just have this decision and you want to do IT and it's not really going to harm just to if you understand the publicity effect, the what is going to do is the opposite is going to make this person who just interviewed trump even more popular.

Go, did you have a lot .

of push bank after mon?

That's a song thing today.

The only way to do IT, i've adopted that a long time ago, and I wasn't going to change IT for trump. For the trump interview. I was i'm not paying attention.

I don't know, you know, but figures like Andrew and tony, a really important for the culture, because they send a very, very strong message to everybody else. You are not gonna cancel me. You are not gonna win.

And in fact, the tactic that you use to try and suppress me, to try and start for me, all they gonna do is make me Better, bigger and stronger. And that such a beautiful message to send out to everybody, just go, you know, you try to stop me. You all you're doing is making me even more powerful.

I think people are realizing that now. I think IT really worked back in the day, like you could cancel some people back. And there are some people that have been legit, like milo, he got legitimately cancelled.

Member, that guy he used to be on, he was on bill march. He was everywhere he was all these videos, he would sit down. I had him on the podcast. The guy was great back in the bill. More actually compared them to Christopher hitches.

Never as I shut off, fuck up their mat like funny articular gay guy with a bit of a drug problem that a is a republican IT was like, what though what we're going to do with this? And for him was a great avenue to get through. And so wild the popular, they removed him from twitter. They removed him from everything. They removed him from youtube and kind goes, well.

what did he say?

Well, he talked about his own experiences as an underage man.

Oh, that's what. So he sounded like he was kind of of and .

he was kind of saying, IT, not not just on my podcast, but there was another podcast where he talked about these men becoming like men tours to Young gay boys. And then that actually helps them. And I was like, you're talking about Peter.

the greek model, right? That's it's considered .

different. You know, when you think about a man to boy who is a gay boy versus man to head sexual girl, like people get much more offended at the idea of a grown man and a Young girl, the text or sexual, and that's molesting where's with a lot of gay guys. And i'm not saying this is right, but their attitude is this is what they wanted when they were fourteen, that's what milo said like I was protected.

That's literally what he said on the pocket. Believe me, I was the protector. Like it's like ridiculous, but that's his experience and he was talking about and they like that's all we needed.

And like this guy is defending pedophile and they went after. And that was back in the day when twitter was solely controlled by the left. And you could cancel a guy like that.

IT was effective. And remember a lot of arguments when people were trying to deep platform people, like when they do platform trump. And there were a few other people they got, they were saying, deplaning ming works.

This is what's been shown. Deep platforming works right? For a little while. We ve fuck in. idiots. It's it's actually going if someone crazy like elon comes long and has the money to back IT up and says, i'm going to step in and i'm gonna make a wild west. Twitter, like they had talked about doing too, like what I had jack on the podcast.

He was talking about doing two versions of twitter, doing a regularly moderated twitter, and then a wild west twitter. And I was like, once a while, a west twitter, and that's what even I did. You open up a wild west twitter? Yes, do there's some shit that I find on twitter? And like what this is not they are doing a pretty good job of hiding that we've got to click through to see some of the more egregious things that people say.

But yeah, I mean, the problem is as well is that you deep platform, there's gonna be somebody out there who's gonna what we're going to build a platform.

right? But you know what they do with those platforms. They infiltrated those platforms with hate, right? So I give maybe reasonable rightwing people decided to leave and start their own thing. You saw these bots that would go to these unregulated places and see the most outrageous, horrible shit, and they might not even be real people.

And according to, we ve talked about this many times, but according to an FBI analyst who was examining twitter and the interactions on twitter, his estimation was IT could be as high as eighty percent. bots. So if you try to open up whether it's true social or just pick a name gab, gab had a problem with that.

You just get bombarded by bots who are trying to ruin your company, right? And whether that's the government or whether it's competing social media companies, like if there's no laws about this, if there's no laws about creating bots and you're running whatever this threads and then this other thing opens up and you go, you know, let's feel that place I would not see, and you just start having these computers that you have connected to all these accounts is posting the worst shit possible. But Michelle obama got a deck, but like, flooded with craziness.

And now nobody wants to go there. You go there and you are looking for, like a reasonable republic, public and conservative social media platform. They could join, you could talk about things that are bothering you.

You can even go there. yeah. And what they did is, in the case of polar, is that they then shut IT down and they put member take.

This is .

perfect example right now. You don't have this right wing version of this thing.

Well, this is one one thing I am really hoping you long gets because he's been kind of busy as we know. And I think kim taken over tortures for king awesome. It's really opened up a lot of things that needed to open up. But one of the things he talked about early on those bots, and I feel like this probably a lot more work to do on. So when they get round to that, that would that would make twitter Better because I do hear from a lot of people who are just like i'm glad it's more open now but every time I opened my for you thing is I fuck .

but the thing is, is like, okay, if you decided that the way to would eliminate box is to require ID, this is where IT is weird because there's data breaches. Yeah right. So if you're posting something under skippy mccoy sixty nine, you got some crazy fake name and then all the sudden IT gets revealed that this is you and maybe you work in a righting office and you're posting something about abortion rights and people just decide let's get ready to that fucking and guy because now we know it's you so that's complicated yes.

For should been fired from things they posted on redit where there's ship posting yeah yeah shit posting on redick is a lot like talking shit when you don't mean IT in a group chat, you're just saying ridiculous like our should fear as the most when these things he doesn't mean that are is a great guy he's saying something because it's funny to say and and you stop that because you can go and investigate who this person is. People say things they don't mean just because they want to get a rise out of people, because they're bored and they're like an anonymous person. I'll say, horrible shit theyll come up with a horrible meme. We were really gonna e these people that gonna lose livelihood for something that is just for for them. It's like sport.

Almost definitely not. But what i'm saying is to the extent of foreign government interfering, what we think is the truth yeah and what we think is the real conversation till the extent the other, the fair ious actors are trying to manipulate of views, clicks, ETC, that's a big fucking problem.

a big fucking problem. And it's a problem that doesn't seem to be addressed at all. And we don't even know how many people are involved in this because it's so difficult if you're going through a VPN and you've got a computer bank and you've got these people that look real, because you can now you can make artificial photos of families you can make.

You can decide, I want a black woman and a chinese man, and this is their family and A I, I want you to create their kids and so you can always post on instagram like, oh, you can follow these people over the years. It's all bullshit. And that's so easy to do now. And you can do IT on twitter is way more easy because nobody even wants to see fig pictures of you. So you can have a bunch of post about things that happen you during the day to make you a real person and just not teach IT.

And this is the issue as well, is that when people talk about, you know, hate speech, they're making an incredibly complex issue, very simple because yeah, we're onna. Get rid of hate speech, right? And then you go, well, what does that mean? And what is gonna be the effects of that? And also as well, look, a Young is on social media. I don't know about you, but when I was a Young kid, I said, lots of them, shit. You going to destroy someone's life for the next twenty years because they said something that could be racist or maybe is racist when there fifteen years old.

Also, there's some things that people see that are people have attempted to make mainstream that people have rejected, like one of them .

as minor .

attracted persons.

right? You've say that it's offensive to call some pedophile and you should call them a minor attracted person and not to margin ze them. What if IT becomes hate speech to call some of a pedophile, right? That is not when you see how far we've gone. That's not outside of what could be possible yeah .

because if if you follow this train without its logical conclusion, and if they are a minority and all minorities need to be protected, is particularly from a from a majority who dislike them, and particularly in the case of Peter foes where the majority fucking aid them, then you go, well, you know this you this person want to help, therefore they need protection and they are a margin .

list group yeah and how much of that is being manipulated by foreign entities? How many how many people are out there trying to get us riled up about off? Remember the rene arrested thing where he found out that there was a uh, texas separatist meeting that was organized by these, uh, these troll farms right across the street from this muslim meeting.

Like they they literally had them on the same block. So they'll protesting like a like ck, you fuck you and they're just rilling people up here. And it's the idea was that they're doing this to there's a certain percentage that is going to diminish our faith in democracy, is going to finish diminish our faith in our system.

This is what your investment was talking about. You've seen the stuff, right? I hundred percent believe this. A lot of that going on.

right? One hundred. It's too accurate. Yeah that speech that gave an eighty four when when you apply IT today, it's like, oh my god, he's off by like a decade or so yeah, but not by much because couple of decades ago you in the university is still pretty ridiculous.

There's this no social media amplifier to the rest the world. IT was like slowly taking root. But the thing that amplified to the rest of the world with social media, and that was the unseen element that really like through the the gas ashine on the fire.

I really think this issue actually, in my opinion, is a national security issue. And I that when you look at it's not just this social media influencing, but extends beyond that its other countries, hostile countries, funding colleagues and universities, it's doing all of that kind of stuff. I really think the west needs to get serious about that and go do we want foreign countries to be dictating to our citizens what the truth is? And we're we're going up to recon with that, that that can't just be left to his own devices because it's not gonna.

Yes, not. And it's it's scary that most people aren't aware that is even taking place. You know they think that these people with these opinions, this represents a sizable portion of the country and its real and a lot of IT is not real and we don't we're not sure how much IT is real.

And so we don't even really know what the conversation actually is, which you won all of us. And then there's no like reasonable people who are calling for or he'll go here like how I is talking. There's no reasonable people call calling for some sort of coming together in a compromising mean. The most interesting people in the republican party right now are people who used to be democrat, which is fascinate yeah so like people have abandoned .

yeah and you know, and the thing that worries me is I think we talk to a lot. I talk to a lot of Young people. And we thought a Young people on the show, one person particular, was talking about the fact the Young people don't believe in democracy anymore, right? They just go.

The system doesn't work. IT doesn't represent me. Whenever we elect someone, they never go.

They don't do what we want to, what we want them to do. What's the point? What we need is an, okay. We need strong men en to come in and sort this out and you like, oh, don't careful. What you wish for is not .

seeing more socialism, which always leads to gari .

yeah or just a little. There are people on the fringes of the right who are obsessed with buckle. And buckle has done a lot of good .

things in his .

country who's because .

he's present .

is how he is a incredibly popular. He sorted basically took anyone who was a Young member just through them in person, right? Um and the countries are .

a lot Better.

a lot Better. And you know, I don't know enough about IT to say whether it's entirely a good thing or a bad thing, but you can see the temptation to go well, why we just have one guy come in and the ship out. Yeah, no, right.

But you know the real problem, how did they get there in the first pace? Yeah where the real problems is like what's instead of like cutting off the cancer, saying why we get in cancer, like what are we eating, what are we consuming? What's wrong with our society that's giving us these people that are gang members? Yes, yeah.

And another again, member, you know, a member. So okay, lot of people grow up and they don't become ganging members. So how do we make more? How do we make more people that are productive, Normal people that are integrated into society, less gang members.

And some people are gonna be, get gang members and is no getting away from that, right? And those people, we have the police for that. We haven't defined them, right? So you have to have a combination.

On the one hand, you teach people had to live a good life, what you're talking about. On other hand, if you don't wanted, follow the rules. We're gonna crack down you. You're pretty fucked in heart. Yes, those two things together is how you get a good society.

right? And when you make excuses for why people are doing that, you called systemic racism. M always different things, and you treat them with leniently. If then you're encouraging people to do crimes because no repercussions.

So you're again not getting to the root of what's causing them to be like that in the first place, but you're minimizing what they're doing because you address the fact of this root. So again, you're dealing with the cancer. You like that the cancer grow. Cancer is part of life instead of saying.

why am I get in cancer? Yeah and also with dangers with pocket, I, I, I, I went on a date with a go around the world in journalist and I said, look, I don't know anything about I tell me about him and he went to me that he gets his people to turn up if he doesn't like so, uh, a newspaper, uh, a story in the news and he his guys have a word and to get this depressed.

But this is the fear of the big, strong man, right? And this is the fear that a lot of people have of trump. They're cared that he would do.

That is the thing that they keep bringing up with. Ironic is him turning the justice system on his enemies. You guys are so great, that is like, the nut is just like hooker is, get mad at trippers.

What are you? You get.

To kids .

out this is so not .

you guys are is the way they're talking about IT. It's almost like they don't know what they are doing.

They are not aware what they .

are yeah one of those other ones not good. But you know I from my conversation with truth, I don't think is the monster that everybody thinks he is. And I think I think for sure there's been a growth distortion of a lot of things that he said that's LED this.

You know, the fine people hopes the russia gate hooks is so many different the suckers and losers hooks. There's always different things that people attribute to him to try to make him way worse than he really is instead of just like addressing things you don't like about him that are real, you know. And so it's this distortion, and we know there's a distortion.

And that's why when he sits here and he talks to three hours, people are so interesting. It's not just because what he says is interesting. It's because we know you've been bullshitting.

We know that you've use the legal system to try to our arrest this guy. We've done some banana republic shit or you're trying to weapon ze the legal system to go after your political opponents. We know that.

So when you get a chance to see that guide, talk you like. Ah so this is two years and again, he's being charming. He knows millions of people body listings.

He's talking to me. I've met him before. We have a mutual good friend in da White. He knows i'm not going to be an as well, so he's comfortable but you get a chance to see what he is. That guy part of him is that guy like it's not an act. That's who is he is that guys not a terrible person is just you may or may not agree with his approach. You may or may not agree with how he runs his business and how he wants to do things.

but if you keep using the word fascist against him, you ratchet up the the pressure you reach, IT up the tension. So people are looking at him going well, this guy is a fascist. He's heller. Therefore, we need to do everything in our power to stop hitler coming to power because if if they did that in the one thousand nine hundred and thirties, we wouldn't have world war two, six million years wouldn't .

exterminated what the golden g was just saying. He's onna separate special couples. What you really yeah, I didn't even watch IT.

I saw the club I like I even watch i'll lose my marbles is so crazy. Yes, but it's like put you in camps. I've heard that too.

They're going to put people in camps. You're going to put gay people in camps to why he was president for four years. None of these things happened. He was already president. This is part of the problem with saying this. If he wasn't president before and he was saying outrageous things like what if this guy gets in power but he was president and was president for four years.

And it's interesting from people who keep talking about hate how much of that they're projecting onto him. And let's have a look at this going to crazy.

Recent volume, different ways than to come after people because of their heritage, which they are born into IT is not a choice. You are who you are, right? And here you're going to make all kind of find.

People said no more was tired of that is why people are saying, right, that you heard the woman say, listen, what we heard at that rally should be enough to shake folks away because he's talking about you, all of you. He's not gna be he's not going to you know say, oh, you were the White. I'm gonna keep you from being support.

No, he want to put you and put the White guy with someone else. The man is out there. But yeah, that's a large jump from what he's ever said that that's a crazy thing to say.

That's what I thought you were very wise to bring the view up as the first thing you talked to to him, right? Because you're just going this is how I used to be and I remember if the exact mode years ago.

I remember.

Was the logo, our friend Donald trump. They all come and hug and kissed him. Everybody loves you.

They were talking about how they love them. And the audience was cheering. He was getting cheer on the view. IT is so wild. watch. We didn't play IT for him because we didn't want to give anybody any excuse to give us a copyright strike because I wanted to play IT.

I wanted to start to show off with him, listening to him being on the view and go what does this like? Because like there's no one ever that's had the machine turn on them, whether you agree with them or not. Agree, you must admit, like the steel docia, all the crazy stuff they put out on him, they've turned this machine on him in this way you've never seen before.

And this is how they used to look at him just nine years ago. No, IT was longer than that was eleven. I was IT when he was running for president.

He was not running for present. I was talking about running and that he went on the view multiple times. How many times did they go on been on? But I was was the last time on that.

I, well, that makes sense, right? Because bober walters, when did you stop being on IT? yeah.

SHE was on that here. And he looked pretty Young back. done. So twenty eleven? Okay, thirteen years ago, still not, still nuts.

It's not that long ago, not long. And for that completely about turn to go from the greatest guy who everyone wants to be the president, to the devil in corner in the people, for from the same people.

Joy, be hard hugging with hugging. That's quite a transformation. Well, it's like they got their marching orders.

He did. He wasn't twenty twelve bows out of the twenty twelve U. S. president. So that was when he was thinking about doing IT twenty.

Remember remember at the White house press correspondent dinner when obama roasted him? And i'm one thing that you'll never be president in the united states. what? And he was like, model for the wrong dude.

So there's lucky dudes out there. I like the boogyman. They just will keep common.

Well, that's part of his appeal. Man is like when he got shot and he's bad as you made. And you know, at at this rally there was this a point when he was just was he really struck on for me why people like him? He was like he was talking about china.

And somebody had said, put our report that if amErica had a war with china, amErica would lose. And he was like, first of all, why would you put out that report? And secondly, we would kick their ass.

And you kind of go, if you in america, and you want your country to be great, you want IT to be successful, left or right, whatever your position is, do you want to be on the side of the people who think america's future is behind the right? Or do you want to be on the side of the people who think, yeah, gonna kick us, we're going to succeed. We're going to make money. We're going to be successful.

And there's also like looking at some of his foreign policy decisions and whether not he was correct. One of them was the embargo on iran .

that that seemed to .

afraid up by a whole lot of money when the by administration let the those funds free. And then october seven happens shortly there, after and when you know that they fund these various terrorist organizations, this is something iran's done. This is not a big stretch to think that one of the reasons why these things are happening was because people went a different way than Donald trump, ted, when he was in office. And a lot of people feel like that we like logical, reasonable, left wing people, even.

even because it's true, yeah, it's true if you give the iranians they shit turn of money, and also if they don't fear repercussions, right? You put those two things together, but is IT surprise? No.

you think part of the problem is we think everyone just thinks like us so well. Like, you know what, if we give more money to to the iller, you know what he's gonna get, all right? You know he he's a bit not, but he's gonna money into social programs. The average eran. Did you going .

to be you happier.

healthier, wealthier?

See that interview where this woman was asking the taliban whether not there's going to let women run for office. Now love .

laughing .

in your face.

like, what are you talking about? You don't understand this place at all.

Yes, it's called my image bias. Actually a lot of foreign interest l guys, they get trained for years to not think that everyone is like them because they're absolutely not the people in charge of around they they want to wage j had against america, right? And israel, what do jidda when they have .

money and opportunity? They yes.

they start going. It's not complicated.

It's not complicated. And trump was aware that, no, it's some of the decisions that he made were Better decisions. That's that's objectively true.

And now israel is having to deal with these terrorist groups so that are armed and funded. Tit s.

yeah. And then we're in this place. We're arguing about jokes. Yeah.

we because .

it's easier to argue about jokes and IT is to talk about the middle ast and be actually honest about IT and go what what israel facing is an existential fight for survival and is really is causing, you know, there are war crimes happening, whatever, but you going, you can't just let terrorist groups attack a country. You can't let hezb from october, the eight fire rockets into northern israel. But if that can't be allowed to continue, right? It's either gonna escalate or you're gonna to deescalate because of one thing which jihad is, you know they committed, you know they believe they yeah that they committed and they are going to they believe in a global islamic callie. And they want to wipe israel off the map and then they want to wipe all sovereign tions of the map, so they get a global islamic caliph, which is why so many moderate islamic countries crack down on these people really hard, because I stand the threat from these people.

And then is the reality that what israel's is doing is also horrific, right? You see the murdered children and women, and you see the videos that people get blown up with indiscriminate bombing of apartment buildings, because someone underneath that is hamas that that fuck and terrifying to. So there's no win, because no one can justify that.

You watch that, you see you how many innocent people die. This is fucking insane. And then there's the argument that, well, but homes is using them as human sheilds like there. There's no other way to do this.

Then you just bomb where you know civilians are gonna because bad guys are there also is, this is the crazy thing about war, because in the past, I think this is a strategy that would have been employed by almost any powerful nation trying to wipe out an enemy. But we don't. We do. In her shima in nagoya, we just in discriminately killed every book, just dropped a nuclear bomb on an entire city.

And but the question is, what should is real? Do instead is, and this is the problem, because I take your point, but the issue is that a massive, openly stated on numerous occasions that they want to maximize civilian casualties, they're doing IT deliberately.

So the question is, and we've had pro palestine guests on the show, we've had poison guests on the show, and we've ask them basically trying to get to the bottom of this, like, how do you do that? I get that what's happening is terrible. IT is terrible.

No one would dispute that. No one who has a conscience or how would look at what's happening in gays and think that's fucking great, right? nobody. But at the same time, the question ultimately is, after october seventh, what is israel supposed to do?

What are you supposed to do when your country has been attacked from several sites by different terrorist groups, all funded by a run and sponsored in other ways, and they give them weapons? What are you supposed to do? Now you say, well, they're supposed to. Isn't there is another way i'm asking that question. I haven't heard of this way of what this posted.

The problem is when you have very religious, ideologically convinced people that their thing is also about if you die, you go to heaven yes. And you you you're a matter and that's a that's a worthy goal. This is not a religion that spouses, that's another another religion that enforces that idea.

And people, right? I scares the shit out of people, people that they're OK with, people dying. I would love for .

somebody to have an answer to this, but I just tell you, like, as you know, I have relatives in ukraine. What did they do when they war started? They turned every fucking in basement into a bunker to protect civilians.

That is not what I must are doing. They have these tunnels. They don't let civilians in there. That's where the terrorists .

hanging out, right? So what do you do?

What is this?

It's not a bad idea. Why didn't they implement?

I have no idea. I have no idea.

because I want to kind killed everybody. When did we really could do that?

yeah. Probably kill a hostage. Yeah.

oh yeah. But they're probably already dead or not. They want to be dead. yeah. I imagine an october seven hosts are still .

alive for years. men. And this is why I am asking the question, because I just think, what would the U. K. do? What would amErica do if you had a rampaging terrace to tank across the border and missile from the north?

The very good question. I think it's also from the perspective of people that live in israel versus the perspective of people that live in america. We haven't been invaded. no. And the people in israel who have Mandatory or military service and they're constantly on threat.

I got a body, mine was my kick box and coach shook y and he's from israel and he was always like playing the bongo drums, one of whose house for dinner dancing, saying, I was like, why guys so happy? I like every so like joy because IT man and he goes, when you live in israel, any day could be your last so it's like, just party, have a good time and they have this idea. And I think if you're in american and you you don't feel that threat and just feels abstract, you've not going to understand the mentality of someone who loves in a place that's surrounded by people who hate them.

Yeah and we had nick fattest, you know nick raus. He is a Greenberry former Green berry. He has a youtube channel, think as well. And we asked them about this, you know, you want, he served in iraq, I think two toys, and he talked about this.

We've got this to be coming out is like, there is no, there is no way to deal with terrorists are hiding behind civilians rather than by going in and dealing with this no other way. And I wish that was I am genuinely ly answer the question. What is the other way, right? And if IT is israel should use IT, but if there isn't.

what are they? It's also a crazy subject in america, right? Because there's people on the left that do not want to support israel and they think that palestine is, you know, they the past time should be free and they they'll save from the river to the sea and they changed IT out and don't exactly even know what they're saying, which means like an nillie of israel from the road to see that's literally what that means.

But then they they're now disorder is like this antisemitic thing that's on the left, which didn't exist before. This is like the anti israel, anti semantic thing that you never heard before from the left. Yeah, the left was always like super pro israeli.

but he makes sense, doesn't that? Because if you've had a decade of workers, the point of workers is the people who are successful, the people who have the upper hand.

They're the bad guys, right?

So israel is the bad guide by default. And by the way, doesn't mean that the situation of gaza has a has been perfect. Nobody would argue that, right? But just because a country is succeeding in its military campaign doesn't mean that the bad guys the problem would do though is they're too successful, is too successful, right? That's the problem would do they're too successful.

This tiny minority of people who've been a pressed throughout history and yet they're still succeeding, the making money, the successful the theyve built, is more powerful in all its neighbors. It's not a good look if you're walk. How are these focus? That's the argument.

So what's the anti emetic sm on the left that you are talking about? It's the logical conclusion of weakness, which is why I could never understand why jews went along with workers massively, massively. Like jews vote like sixty, seventy, seventy five percent for the democrat party in this country.

That was before october seven. I talking to a lot of people. We just had big action on the show that changed people's mind quite a bit. I don't I am not saying he was worked before that.

but you know what I mean? yeah. And it's also as well you talk about the left, but the left in the U.

K. Is always had a problem with an demetia job, really. Yes, there has always been a faction of the left that has looked jews and seen financiers, business people, rich people.

They controlled, you know, the means of production. They are the ones keeping the ordinary man on the street down. We need to get rid of these financials, the oligarchs, the bankers, and then will be able to liberate people.

And there's that there's always been that faction on the U. K. Left that that's what we need to do. And when jeremy corbin was in power, what was in in power was little with the labor for. There was jewish M P S, labor M P S, who literally walked out of the party because they was saying that he was not tackling in dealing with anti semitism and that this was allowed to run rampant within the labor part.

You know, Thomas l was one, says, what do jeos need to do to stop anti semitic m and he paused for a second and went, fail.

Guys so wise.

all man isn't credible .

fascine person and what kind of intellectual courage to step out on those limbs that he does and say these logical things that are against the it's, you know.

heroic yeah i'm such a such .

a great my face is so such an interesting righter you got so many counterintuitive ideas yeah super information.

He's great interviews too yeah, what if he still doesn't? He's.

I think he's very old now. Yeah so he I think he we tried to get them when we nearly had a phone interview with him, but he didn't quite happen. But I just still love to make that happen. Yes, yeah, but he's getting .

all unfortunate. no.

I mean, when he came out and he was hard line on the faction.

yeah, like you any research at all? Yes, but I think that's an old person thing. I think all of people get really scared of diseases. Yeah, yeah.

And y've got every right to be scared for more vulnerable to exactly so .

they're thinking of something that can kill you or as a Young people think, going to be inconvenient.

Yeah, yeah. And also, you know much Better than either of us. Every great champion has to retire at some point, right?

Yeah, you have to your shit doesn't work right anymore, including your brain. It's going to come a point time where you're not thinking well, you're not very logical and you're not objective.

But the thing that made you a champion is the thing that's going to make you not to retire.

That's what fighters, for sure. That's what that's why the fight way passed the prime and IT gets really sad. You never want to let you go.

Yeah because why would you why would you want to let you go.

right? Especially if that's what you do. Imagine if what you do realize on a very brief of like power like that, you have physically where your hormones are firing you. You have that much time yeah. And then when IT slips away, you still feel like your you, but you just.

you can't move. I remember when watching toys and theory, I can't member who we for in london, and and I were talking about IT because we were going all is he gna retire. He said he's gona retire. And then he entered the stadium on a gold throne Carried by people, 想 睡吧。

he's fighting sick again. A tough, yeah, yeah. That guys, he's so talented, he so small for a heavy way too. He just, he non stopped movement in his footwork, and everything is so different than anybody else. Joshua didn't know what to do with them. He's like, where is this guy and a bad when i'm thrown on punches, he was moving all over the place.

Yeah, it's so different. It's so different. I I remember when I was watching the Joshua sixth and made me realize the importance of technique because Joshua is a real physical experiment and has .

great technique too.

Yeah but he doesn't have the elite ite level of technique, the uh head and you could see the combination tions away. He was thrown punches. He just didn't have an answer to IT because he's never been exposed to that level .

of take any que you know what he is, he's a heavy weight and the heavy weights were never really that good in terms of that kind technique. It's like you need IT at like middle ight and light heavy weight because everyone super talented and technical when you get up to the heavyweight division, guys tend IT tends to be like a lower bar, you know.

So when you have an elite ite athlete like Joshua is like fast and knockout power, he can excel without having the kind of technique that I got like low mechanical o and uses were trained by the same guy. They were both trained by low mechanic's father. So they both have extreme technique. And then you have ever, and a bitter beef that just fought same thing, both like super soviet style boxing and a wow, like this is technique. E like a really, really high level technique, but it's rare that someone with that kind of technique gets into the heavy way division.

And that's why fury is just a magnificent fighter because, uh, furies from a gypsy background, and those boys are taught to fight at the age of three, four years old. And this in their culture, they all fight, they all trained as boxes and telling you, as someone who has broken up fights with gypsy kids, when I used to teach him, they are taught never to back down. You never back down. You always go for IT until the very end. I I remember when I was watching, uh the fury um the a world defy and remember someone saying to me like he's knocked down here getting up i'm like, my trust me yeah he's gonna get yeah and then but that's why furries of force of nature it's that technique which has been in student and from basically the mind .

could walk technique. Huge e and if you watch the and touching and the the fight, yeah I mean that reaching that jb accuracy that he has, he was doing really well in that fight until he started to slow down a little bit. Music one up, just catch them. Yeah.

but it's an exciting moment in uf, c as well, the one that would just happened. And I have fuck his terrible.

He's to eat that everybody, everybody gets a hold of you just rag doll, even like really elite wrestlers. It's extraordinary. His talent is undeniable. And Robert wittaker, like seeing him breaking Robert wittaker just by squazing across his face. Currently, Robert whittaker had a broken jaw when he was a child, and he had IT worked done. But he was, it's always been vulnerable like this front though, and pushed in before in the drink is duplicated, had a problem that is, well, apparently. But this was different because this was like to mi, i've got the blade is forum across the jaw, and IT was like this, crushing those teeth .

and IT goes a photo. Do you think if that doesn't happen where .

IT stands up, who knows? I mean, to me was mother ing him. What looked exhausted.

IT was very early in the fight.

You first round. I mean, it's just the amount of technique that homeowner has and the intensity of his attack is unlike anybody else. He's so talented, he's so good at grappling and he stand up as fuck.

And dangerous is too. And I think he's way Better at one eighty five. I really do.

I think that one seventy was killing himself to make that wait. And now you see him at one eighty five. I think he has more energy just, and he's more than big enough for those guy.

He's huge, a big guy. He's good man. He's really fucked and good.

But eliot pora, that was the most shocking. He says that Robert only landed two strikes. Wow, crazy.

I don't. Yes, I don't remember. I don't remember. I just remember homes out shooting two kicks. Yeah, there is two lake cakes. So homes are just shot in on him and just started beaten the fucking out of I made. IT was so relentless and overwhelmed, and when robbert got up once homelike dolf on him again and .

had down again a second, demoralizing, yes, you get up. You just run out of energy.

maybe even more intense, because maybe even more dominant. You know, like to do that to whittaker. Like data guy is a world champion.

E even the counter fy IT took a while before he overwhelmed dom. You know, he took a while before he was his beating on as asked. Like the begin of the fight is more competitive. Like this was just up, overwhelming Victory. He hit us homes, sad, just charged in dozin gotten down and modem model mentally broke his face.

Do you think it's different with duplicity? Chicken wrestle.

Ll, his g wrestle has got very good. You get to, he hits, fucked in hard and he's a big durable dude, but I don't know if he's going to be able to rest well with that guy like, I don't know, man, the hom sad skill is so high level IT makes me wonder if some guys like you see an injured there are some guys that look really good until they fight somebody who's really, really good and then they get man handled, you know, like everybody looks good until they face gordon ryan.

Like gordon ryan can do that to anybody. Like, is homes up at that level? IT kind of appears that he is IT appears these in terms of like the grappling that he posses seems magnetites greater than anybody else in his division.

But IT also is that skill thing that we talk about. When you can have athleticism, you can have strength, but when you come up against someone who is skill is fast superior to yours, eventually you're gonna burn out because there's only a fine amount, a fine amount of strength empower that you have got. And eventually, if you're fighting somebody who can match you physically, but also has the scale on top of IT, I mean, you can't done really unless you get lucky with a part.

I guess counter argument might be and you correct me down, 因为 i mean， he won.

but he was close. He was very close. I think it's at one seventy. I know these the same guy, one seven. I also think Albert is tough as fuck.

And at that point time, gilbert had, he chAllenged osmond for the title and lost, but then came back and was one of the best one and seventy pounders in the world of big step up and competition that I don't think homes out at face before. And gilbert is a world champion and judge, so he's a very, very, very good rapper. So there's a difference there when you get gillibrand to the ground.

Not that simple. You're fighting off ARM bars and triangles and key teens, and he's back up to his feet. There was a lot of wild scrambles.

IT was just, you know, gilberts a little older now, but back then he was agree in his prime or close to IT. And he just that look and good. That's why that fight was so close.

This is gilbert, especially in that fight. He was that good I made IT was a war. He dropped to my, he cracked him mother, right? But should I have you when he got dropped to do in and to come down? He's fucking good, man.

He's good. What he did the winter here was just nobody thought that was gonna en. That was crazy.

That was scary, was scary.

And the max is even scary.

wow. I saw max is being totally under in control of the entire fight. I was like he's got tactically.

He's got him. He's gone to win this. And I just want that said.

there's always danger with deportation. Fuck is so dangerous when he hits you. It's so it's different than any especially hands.

He says fucking in boxing is so high level and there's shots that he was landing that with third and you could see the max's face. He caught him with a bunch of good shot before the but max was landing a lost stuff too. But he was forced into these exchanges. And when you you're forced these exchanges, india has superior technique, is punches comes straight down the pipe, his hooks are perfect, his distance management is perfect, his super aggressive, and the consequences to get him hit by ham are so grave left hooky caught max with, oh my godness just fun, his head around .

and you you really see, I mean, in the U. F, C, you you see obviously people who you know multi discipline, but is rare, that you see someone who so appeal with the way they had I was watching, my god, this guy looks like a boxer the way that he is.

But he's that way with everything. He's that way with his grappling. He's out with with his submissions. He's just really, really fucking good. And he's the new guard, right? Like every generation comes up with a new guy who's like a new high water mark of technique.

Yeah that's where he is. So who's gonna Allen him now? Do you think .

voc oski ah you're gonna a rematch. I think volkan oski taken out five three months after getting head kicked into a, you know, A, K, O, that's kind of crazy to do. Three or four months later.

Is fighting eliot oppoa the most dangerous punches ever faced? I think that was crazy, and I think now we had a long time to recover. But it's always going to be in his head that that guy just knocked me the fuck out, you know.

And look, that's the kind of thing that drives, got like voice OK ke because he such a warrior, like he doesn't shy away from the most difficult chAllenges. Because if he did, he could taken some fights with them up and coming contenders. He could have said this, probably someone who wants to chAllenge him. Some guy thinks he could definitely be, let me just get this fight under my belt and then, you know, but he's no, he wants to go right back in there and five for the title again.

And am I right thinking there is power? Vera speed, because vocation is so fast, so quick .

illius fast too. Man, there's no difference. And speak really? No, I don't think so. Well, there's a little bit difference when you're loading up, you're not onna hit as fast.

You know if you're just trying to like touch someone, you can touch the much faster but early as fast as fuck. He's not slow at all. There's no he does not have any disadvantages.

He doesn't have any weaknesses, man. That's the thing. That's why say he's the new high water mark. There's people that are thinking maybe he's the best pound for pound fighter alive. Like there's a lot of discussion about that online.

It's little a premature, especially when john Jones is still out there and there's other elite guys that are still out there. But islam moc cheves, another one, you know like it's a real argument that he's the best pond for pound by alive, but it's fucked and close. Illy is he might be the best.

And if you think about volcano, sky of fire is never the same after they have been knocked out.

particularly twice in a couple of months, four months time.

So they already ready to to get knocked out. There's a weakness. And then you're going up against a fighter with that power. You know, you think all he's gonna need to do is just connect, and he might be Sparkle again.

who knows? I mean, I don't know what kind of strategy volkan OS employ. I don't know.

They'll try to do something different. City cake boxing the place city trains out is very, very, very high level. And those guys always have excEllent game plans.

So maybe there's something they saw the vocals y couldn't capitalize on because he was still dealing with the effects of the KO loss to a market chav, which you know, you get K O, like that, a bad one. That was a high kick shin to the head. Those stay with you very long time.

You might not be the same person. So he might have fought still under the effects of that cao. So now he gets knocked out again by ellia.

Now he's had a long time to rest. And that's what you really need. If you've been knocked out like that, you need treatments.

There's like concussion protocols are much of different things that people can do to help their brain health. But like when many pacy o got knocked out by one man oil markets, pretty roach didn't let them fight for a year. So I never do anything for one year, not nothing.

And I don't want to do anything. You train that IT work out, hit the bag. You not, no fights.

I know you have got.

I was just onna say it's it's a really interesting moment because U F C is very much in the incident. Cy, when compared to boxing. But you look at all the saud money that is being pumped into boxing now.

And you know because previously know the thing that we're in boxing, as we all know, is promote, is not know teams not wanting to put their great fighter against the other great fighter because they want to protect their asia. Yeah, i'm thinking now you look at kind of the saudi's, they'll just gna fa flooding IT with money. So are we actually gonna see interesting fights again? Because at the moment, you starting to see that happen more more than the heavy weight division.

Yeah, you're gonna IT this. How did you do in A A great service, not regard like giving people fights they want to see because there's a lot of interesting fights that can be made if you can get a benefited as versus cannot offer instance like that is a fight that everybody wants to see at one sixty eight. That's a fascinating fight beneath IT is that one sixty is a monster and canelo is the king.

So it's like that would be an amazing fight. If they could get them to do that, y'll be awesome. They might fight IT one seventy five, who knows? But if they can do that, if the saudis can come up with enough money and the other one is turns crafter, turns crawford vers canal, that's fuck. And interesting, that's really interesting if they can pay them enough money to get them to do IT.

Because if they can pay enough money than what you have is a real competitive to the u fc. Because at the moment, I like watching U S C, but I am a box and I love IT that I was rice. But can't we always have an argument about IT? But it's unenviable. The u fc is more entertaining because the fights you want to see.

But it's not just that. This is what I was going to ask you. Ja, is not just about the headline.

Find the difference between the u fc and boxing is if you're watching U, F, C, you're gonna see five grade fights, right? Minimum on a card, right? With boxing. No one watches the on the car.

but the saudi's doing a lunch Better job of that rio seasons on a fantastic job of putting compelling under card fights. And that is also because they're thrown that money around, you know like the eval. Um but a Better be a fight that was the reality is and put that on that was a fight that a lot of people didn't know if I was ever going to happen because so both guys are defeated. Both guys are like world champions like you can make a lot of money just beaten up other guys. You don't have to lose your oh and you have to have these two guys go to war like this.

And all of a sudden it's made boxing interesting. Yes, because because lots of people talking about sports washing and obviously as a different conversation. But finally, now i'm seeing fights and i'm like.

I wanted watch this fun. Yes, IT is it's fun fun time to be sports fan. You know it's um I mean probably like one of the greatest moments ever for combat sports.

Now like IT.

you has to be with the ufa because the usc is kind of redefine what combat sports are and is the greatest time ever for the ufa. At the same time, boxing is still driving .

yeah and and it's it's becoming exciting because you're seeing great fights and IT for people like us who grow up in like the and saw the great fighters of the eighties and the nineties all of a sudden we see this happening again. And we just like actually I remember why I fall .

in love with this pool. The boss coming into his own man after that is he is only like twenty seven, right? Yes yeah he's he's coming into something that guys flock and scary. He's dangerous.

And you know, the interesting thing was is in at least the press in the U. K. They didn't give my hope. Everybody was talking about, you know, when Joshua gets to, by the way, then we can move on to the next five. And this is a fight that we want to see IT.

Seems like Joshua believe that going into that fight seems like you believe that he was just going .

to dominate yeah and he just got ruthlessly exposed the power of the bar with. Remember, I bought into IT. I was so, okay, so I watch IT. This is going to be a stepping star match. IT wasn't a .

stepping star aggression to man. He was so aggressive. He was just in the pocket, constantly just forcing Joshua had to go to war.

He was wild. yeah. And you really rapidly became apparent that couldn't watch him.

He just couldn't go to war with him. And at the end this was, this showed what the fight was like. Everybody was like, look to Joshua. A, I think you're done. And nobody pretty right .

after he knocked out Frances and gana. One like everyone is like, you're back yeah you know, I mean, he flat and Francis sang ano there was like a joshi was back look, goody ert yeah, ruthless fucking game man.

You mention i'm gonna. I'm so gutted i'd just heard day and White say that that fight with john Jones is never gonna happen. And so i'm so gutted about that.

Yeah, I just out that one. I love Francis. I love da. I don't get IT. I don't know what happened between those two.

They apparently have some sort of a personal thing with each other. Dena says, is not a good guy. Everything i've ever, every interaction i've ever had with him, a great guy.

I really love talking to him. I ve had him on the podcast couple of times. His story about being a child working in the sand mine is crazy.

His story about making his way from Cameron all the way to the coast and then getting sent back to the sahara desert like six times. So a crazy story, you know, being homeless in france and walking into a gym and all something, becoming the usc heavy way champ in the world. It's not it's a crazy. It's a literal story out of a movie. You know, I don't know what their beef is.

I don't want to get involved in any beef. I was saying I .

was great, john. I wish johnes, but i'm interested in john Jones first is stupid yeah i'm especially step .

is healthy and very interested wish respectful but I just a lay man perspective. A lot of people I have heard saying steep pace.

too old now we don't know if he hasn't thoughts to get naked by Francis and Frances looked fuck and unbelievable in that fight he was patient and calculated in his power is just so extraordinary that we can just catches you a couple of times you're fuck mean france is hit so hard and so him not announced deep was not as much as like steph doesn't have IT anymore was if Francis is that good, that big, that scary a natural tune hundred and sixty five pound .

knockout machine .

john johnes is the the highest light I Q of all time next next month like fuck man. He's he finds a way to win, you know, and he's an unbelievable rapper. That's why that would be such a good fight, is a super high fight.

I Q, use of distance Better than anybody. And then this ability to know how to win. And can he win versus that guy? Because if you get clip once, just once, what he did, the came vasas just inside of the apple, you see canes, just lights go out like can can take a shot. And the guys, his powers is different, is just extraordinary.

But I think you hit the nail on the head. He knows how to win. And you see with all great athletes, they and teams, the even if they're not doing well, if they not finding well, if not playing well, they have that extra gear that they can go into. And then so you go how how to do that? How did they do that?

They go on the rope, makes people different and probably drives you crazy. He said Michael George was out of his fuck in mind when he was at its best. It's.

of course, now john has looked, you know, no, I wasn't say Beatable, but there are a couple of guys that push .

them the playing with his food. So mostly john was bored. He was so dominant that he would not train, you know, only thought Alice into gossip, they said, barely trained at and still beat him in the stretch. And then the rematch wanted to prove a point and trained really hard and beat the shit out of guston.

You know with john, it's a lot of IT as he's so much Better than anybody else like when he's really threatened, like with correa, then you see how good he really is like when he knocked off corner with that head cake. And that's when you see how good is when he when he's pushed. Yes, when you see john Jones with a real chAllenge in front of them. And I hopefully that the john Jones will see with deeper.

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