#2166 - Enhanced Games
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The joe rogan experience.

Gentleman, good to see you. Good to see you. Please introduce yourself .

and doctor iron to susa president.

the enhance games, and then Christian d of enhance games.

And this a very exciting idea. And how did this come about? what? What was the impetus behind this?

I've been studying the olympics and the olympic movement my entire life. You know, i'm thirty nine years old when I was a undergraduate university. IT was just after the sydney yang ics and is always something that inspired me. And I thought myself, you know, I learned some key statistics, forty four percent of olympia admit using band performance enhancing drugs within the last year, according to research commission by the world.

Forty four percent, forty four percent. And the other, you know, probably lying urban.

say, exactly. And so, you know, and then I learned that the average american olympian only thirty thousand dollars a year. And I thought myself, there's something really wrong in the system. And instead of, you know, trying to reform IT, take a blank side of paper and invent the third olympic from scratch.

Well, the olympics is kind of a scam because IT generates billions of dollars in revenue and the people that are there to perform make almost none of that.

That's correct. I actually the international community doesn't pay any of the athletes instantly. They may get some money in the sponsorship or from their national olympics.

yeah. But ultimately, the billions and dollar, billions of dollars in the revenue come into the olympics, and none that goes. The air that gets wasted building stadiums, IT gets wasted paying officials. And we thought there is a way to do a Better, more honest model that inspires us, us to believe in the future of science and technology in the twenty four century.

And you could do IT April liberally too, if you chose to know, are you, are you guys doing IT by nation? Are you doing IT just like human beings?

Human beings Better? I think the era of nationalism is is over, right? Look at the european song competition recently. Um what is that?

IT was when .

you know israel was performing and there were a huge protests out front of the competition.

Very europe, very european thing. It's called european song contest. Song contest. A song test is a great country every year makes a very cheesey .

song oh god.

I actually like this so let let's not go there and kind of a fan um being german um it's a big thing in europe but unfortunately it's IT was super fun and campy there is actually a netflix movie about IT like not that commented about a fun movie about IT is this well.

that is really yes.

last year.

She's amazing.

She's amazing. Is Green. He is zing OK. It's very catchy songs. I don't know .

she's crawling around.

They'd up and well, it's very camp, yes, but but there is even a cool netflix movie. But but long story short, unfortunately, this was the first year where IT became really political, which I think music shouldn't be yeah and which I was said, yeah, but we will not be political. That's a hard version. We not gonna go for a country yeah it's the best human being, the fastest one, highest jumper.

whatever yeah yeah it's just so many countries use IT as a political tool, you know and they cheat like i'm sure you guys i've seen icarus, right?

Yeah yeah. Was brave call a couple days ago.

He's great and that document is amazing. What I mean, what incredible like circumstances like the way we all played out, where he's in middle of doing this documentary about doing a race naturally and then doing a race enhanced. And the guy context, in the middle of all the social olympics crap, that guy winds up filing the country, spill in the beans. And how is hiding in yes, still in this country, hiding from russian killers. yeah.

And that's right. And I think, you know the reality is that performance enhancements are everywhere. Uh, six point three percent of men um in the western world have used anabela x steroid at some point in their life. Seventy five percent of men who regularly go the gym are interested in using steroids. And so instead of doing IT underground in secret, let's do IT out on the open with clinical supervision and and and safety.

But what is what are the legal ramifications of this? Because we are talking about this in the part we are talking about the different drugs s on the podcast yesterday and steroid are scheduled, right? It's like schedule three yeah the schedule LED three substance.

In the united states, there are twenty three countries where stereos and production are legal, including in the united kingdom for personal use. And so let's first distinguish between what is legal and what is banned. So in olympic competition, they would say these drugs are illegal, but actually they're banned in olympic competition.

So there is a lot of things that are you know like peptides and things on those lines that are illegal in the olympics .

that are banned in the olympics.

But because that means the olympics decided as a, as a sort of private organization, we don't want that right. You can take IT.

right? So legal.

you can take IT. So like T R T, for example, is a perfectly legal substance. Its F, D, A approved, its delivered under clinical supervision.

But if you use that, you would be banned from olympic competition, right? right? So the vast majority of compounds that are banned by the world and adoption agency are actually perfectly legal.

You know, the u. fc. Had a guy that accidentally took something that had DHA in, and a real high level guy cleared around tree, and he was supposed to be fighting to more hill in three weeks, and he found out that there is DHA in IT.

He informed the u. Fc, told them, and D, H, A is an even performance, and they banned him for two months. So get to two months. So missed on the biggest opportunity is career.

So if you go to your local gnc, twenty five percent of the goods will contain substances that are banned by the world and adoption agency. Twenty, these are just off the shell. This is no black market. This is what you can buy your local shop.

And then of course, is tainted supplements, which is a real problem because lot of these supplements they use, uh, another party that puts them together for them generally in other countries and a lot of them in china. And these people are also making different things with these bats. They don't cleaning them properly, and then they mix the new stuff.

You easily get contamination. That happens all the time. exactly.

And well, that's the excuse that the chinese government used about the twenty three swimmer.

You're where this situation.

this, so twenty three chinese swimmer tested positive tmc, which heart medication, and they claimed that this was because of a one.

Was this? How long go? Oh h just .

six weeks ago.

I came out six weeks ago. Incident was earlier. yeah.

So twenty twenty one. But yeah. The new york times reported IT received .

no sanctions. The is athletes, one other years, olympic games in tokyo, a once, six metals, three of them gold. How well they they definitely did something during beijing too.

yeah. Well, the the chinese, clearly we're doing this intentionally and the world and I doping authority, because of pressure from the chinese state, covered IT all up. And that's not my accusation that the accusation made by travel's tigers, who is the CEO of the U. S. And idol agency okay.

So the premises, let's cut the shit. Yeah you guys are there's been people that do. It's like the argument for torto france, right? Like torto france. When they stripped Lance armstrong, the next person that had not ever tested positive was eighteen, the place.

And if you look at the at the hundred meter time, the fastest man in the world, seven of the top ten fastest hundred meter runners in history have had a doping violation. And the only one that's not in the top five is the same bold.

wow. So it's just A C, it's a scam. And we've been hearing that for years about sprinters, particularly sprinters in other countries there.

They're enhanced and especially if you like, your national pride is involved. And they know that there's ways you can kind of find things and get around them. And you hire doctors to test people and use masking agents or whatever the help you do in the U.

F. C. They don't even let them rehydrate with iv s anymore.

Same thing. And cycling. So if you take more than one hundred million ads of iv within twelve hours.

it's consider to be, do you can do any ibs and you have a yeah they won't let you because just because of the fear of masking, uh, performance enhancing drugs, because you could flush your system. But the problem that is like I V are good for you. Like this is really stupid. Like if if you can make sure that a person's just doing iv vitals, I mean, if your random testing is effective, you should just do that. Like don't stop someone from doing something is going to make them healthier while there are in a business that's about as dangerous as you can get without people shooting a yeah.

And so the solution is not to do drug test, is to do health testing like we want to make sure that our athletes are healthy and safe to compete. So we do cardio screenings, mrs blood work um to measure their biomarkers to ensure that they were healthy ranges. And that's the core difference, right? The drug testing upper atis. The the olympics is about fairness and competition. It's not about the health and safety of athletes.

Here's the question. If you open up the gates and say you're allowed to take whatever substances you want and whatever levels you want in order to compete at your very best, how close to red lining does a person get, especially if you're involved in something that requires strength and explosive energy? Like we've had one of things, the USA at one point time had test to use exemptions, and you allowed to get those if your testosterone was at a low enough level. The promote ality that .

was not thought out to be that .

test harb cheeseburgers three times and you're good, you're to be you're going to be at like two hundred you know go my god, you're sick, bob. But it's also there's another problem is that people that had have a history of antioch stea use, generally they reach their indecent system. And particularly back in the day, the early days of MMA was all enhanced.

And if you go watch pride, for instance, like pride, which was the big show in japan, IT was enormous organization. Japan, that kind of fall apart because the ukusa was involved with IT and they went bankrupt, is a lot, a lot of craziness involved. But at one point time, they were selling out, like these ninety thousand seat arenas in tokyo.

O IT was nuts and everybody a superhero. I mean, IT just fluked jack as giant jack guys beaten the ship out of each other. And everybody who went over there will tell you, like the contract. Literally specifically stated in capital letters, we do not test force, therefore, ids, they will encourage you to do that. Everyone, you look good to want you to fight IT your best like, don't care what you take, go over there.

Go ham. But IT comes down to a fundamental philosophical question, shouldn't individual, with free and informed consent, an adult be able to make choices about their own body?

They should. But the question is, when is IT not fair, right?

It's the epitaxy of fairness. If it's very transparent, what is unfair? Think about IT like you, silver in the current, the olympics. And I talk to so many athletes, they kind of know who is cheating or not, because if you are very like into sports, you know what is kind of this call IT unnatural or enhance, right? So but they cannot say there is a lot of take as you say, whatever.

So you win silver, you stand next to the person who won gold and you have A D punch that this person is enhanced. That is the worst because you're betrayed of your performance, uh, because the people on the screen cannot contextualized. What we are saying is like, but when we also know and the olympics we like, the olympics should be really clean, then it's interesting because then I have A A framework.

I can judge performance. But in our case, people will know that people take enhancements. We actually will endorse people to even say what they do.

And because completely open. And then again, you can contextualize. So both is about either zero or completely free. Slate in the medical framework is the is the real definition of fairness.

And and from eighty, ninety six until one hundred and ninety two, the olympics band professional w athletes from competing. And so olympics were amateurs. There were professional sports like elsewhere.

And I think the same thing is going to happen in the twenty first century. The olympics are going to be the natural sports competition. We're we're going to see what the best of a human one point I can do. And at the enhance games, there will be, what can the best unleashed human superhuman can do?

But here's the question, if you guys are successful, what what athlete would want if you guys are successful, and IT becomes a huge household name and people watch IT, and IT becomes exciting. what? And you make money? What athletes are gonna want to do the olympics for free and get a microscope of your ass. And people constantly testing you for this and that, and knowing that other countries are probably pulling off some shana like china allegedly did.

You know that a problem? But I agree, I agree with you. Like by the way, the same question is a good answer.

I don't I don't not wish them well. Like it's just like I think we going to do Better. And and the other thing is about to easily believe humans are wired. We want the best and we want to also watch the best.

Yes, you're not gonna .

a watch something where the best natural player, I know you want to see the best episode player even if this player or person is enhance. Like but again, the future will tell and the consumer will tell. But we are super.

But it's like the rise of the usc. So the usc was brightened by the traditional rules of boxing, another combat sports. And you know, the simple premise that worry on gracy he had was, how do we find the very best fighter, right? And that's just a very simple question. And the enhance games is, how can you find the fastest human being? Or what is the total potentiality of the human spirit and and and all of humanity?

So how do you get with there's a lot of factors, right? You need people that are already competed. No, you don't want to get some of just starting out at the sport, right? You have people that have a deep python, the sport where they want IT and they can the capable of competing at any level. And then if they're going to do your games, they have to kind of make this decision because they're never gonna on the olympics again after that, right?

They actually could go back to the olympics system.

but they would get so tested. And if they do me, if they do start taking to dost room, do start taking a bunch of other things, it's gonna hiba. Their natural ability to produce swarm mones.

But technical, most like he comes back. But I would say it's a decision of the olympics and other sports leaks, how they want to handle athletes to also, at a certain time, have participated in our games. Maybe they say there is a cooling off period, so it's not that we will exclude them going back IT might be that other sports leagues they look at once if you're in the enhance games you can't come back to.

And it's fundamentally an economic question too. So your average olympic inserting thirty thousand dollars as a year, you know the best performing track and field athletes might be making couple hundred thousand box a year um and we're offering a million dollar prize for the best signal world records.

And so in a million years just to break the world .

record yeah A A million box break a hundred meter world record on the track, a million box break the fifty meter freestyle or record in the pool.

So the the question is like how can you ensure that you're going to get elite ite level athletes that are capable performing at like an olympic level? And they're going to they'll be risking it's a big it's a significant rise to them because they'll be openly admitting they're part of the enhanced games. They're openly admitting that they're taking these substances in order to compete this level. And they don't know if you guys are going .

to be around like, well, number one, you don't have to take enhancements .

to be at the enhances game.

You be regular people. Yeah, yeah. And I won the genetic lottery, right? And I think I can beat all the enhances athletes that make great television.

Yeah, it's one two, right? yeah.

And so you know if if you believe you've .

won the genetic lottery.

and you think you can show up and break world record and get a million box, they will come and do IT right. Do IT naturally. And then some math s say, you know, I did not want to elodie, and I want the chance to be the new alarm, strong of our generation to do.

And this is how I think that, I think we're building the Apollo mission for the twenty first century. H you know, what did the parliament do? IT showed us that we were so much more capable as a human species, right? We have new threshold going to the moon using science and technology to overcome our limits. This is exactly what the enhance games is about.

E, sure you not going to me series going .

be cool to about here.

just getting a guys juice up, running really fast. Big difference. But still you so yeah I would .

say breaking a world record is is the thing maybe not going to the world yeah but like it's it's something people .

aspire to do well IT IT is it's also will know for sure that these people are doing something worse before we just suspect IT. Now I remember when ben Johnson got popped and ever is like whole, I can't believe, cheated. But then you find other Carlos was taking stuff to.

I think everyone on the start line and the one thousand nine hundred eighty eight .

hundred meter final was probably all work. Bruce genre took a family, and we talked about IT, like taking him when he wanted to cafe one.

And by the way, one thing is that we don't even need to speculate if athletes wanna do IT, because we did a so called casting calls. Are we doing a documentary about the way to the enhance games together with these? Scott? So we made a big casting call, and we have more than thousand professional athletes, many of them who are in the sum olympics, who applied to be in the documentary, enhance the indian enhance schemes. So the question, if this is an appealing proposition, is answered. So, million, thousand, what about .

pressure from countries, like different countries that have elite athletes that compete in spring dying in whatever boxing?

And I spoke to two head of states about IT. One is a very close friend, and he texted me every week is like, I can't for this to happen. He's one of our .

early fans like I into, well.

at least the ones I spoke to. I don't think there will be a lot of pressure because, again, what two countries want, what is sports for them, is a way to show their national pride. And if you have national pride, you won't the europe person to be the fastest person in the world, if that's with enhancement s like. So we and it's also a .

point of national pride, will be a point of national pride to be the most technologically and scientifically advanced society, yes, that has the engineering and intellectual capability, right, to develop a manufacturer and clinically supervise these products.

It's actually what is interesting, like when we teamed up um iron had to a dear, we talked only I have investment firm so I impost the investor and and his gold founder. We both were actually calculating with much more negativity in actually a good way because it's driving our recognition. So but i'm always jokingly saying it's almost going to smooth because people love IT like the only people who don't love IT is the olympics. But like, like that, the feedback we getting from my fourteen year old godson to ahead of state is like that, fucking awesome.

Like, well, it's also everybody knows that athletes are taking things. They've been doing IT forever. You know, before you saw that came into the U F C, there's there's actual um a lot of people study the difference, trained certain fighters that were competing at an incredibly high level before you saw that came and then they their physics melted. I mean, you can see the the difference is a giant difference, but they were all passing drug tests before. But they were passing drug tests by the athletic commissions on the day of the fight, which by all accounts, an intelligent test is just whether or not you're taking the proper steps .

to cover tracks. Yeah, you just got to know the half life, the products that you're taking .

and and everybody knew that that was the case. Yeah and so instead of going your way, they went the way of just crawling up everybodies asked the microscope and they do IT you thought I was doing IT in a very intrusive way where they were waking up fighters on the day of away in early in the morning because they show at six clock the morning.

But and it's because you saw a is not accountable to anyone. The international olympic ability is not accountable to anyone. You know, it's like it's a really important question about how the structure sports international works. Do you know who appoints the members? They are national.

the committee?

No, right. So you logically should be like member countries like the U. N. Or maybe the athletes should elect the members, the isc.

The ioc is a club of european aristocrats that was formed to ninety ninety six. That, just like itself and that has no external accountability, is not regulated by anyone. It's not accountable to any governments. And so that means that they can just set the rules however they want. And this is how they have gotten away with not paying athletes for over hundred years.

Yeah, that makes sense. Um what are the sports that you guys are going to showcase and what you have?

Combat sports? Yes, there are five people. Sports track, swimming, combat, Jason s and strength.

Then for combat sports, you going to have boxing, wrestling, what you going to have.

So boxing and MMA are definitely in MMA. Yeah, really. yeah.

Hm, that's interesting. So M M A, um if you're gonna a, have people being enhanced in ea may that will severely limit their ability to compete in other organisations. 是啊， how are you gone to get high level fighters that are not going to compete in belt or not gona compete in the u fc? Or how you going to do that?

I think the entire M M. A communities clearly moving away from the apparate, look at what you have see has done moving away from now.

No, they just moved to drug free sport, which just a Better organization, does exact same thing they're doing. The exact same things, exact same things are banned, including peptides like bpc one five seven, which people argued like, this is ridiculous. This shouldn't be illegal. But what they said is, the problem is state athletic commissions test for B P C. One five seven, and as long as they test, some of them do, at as long as they deem IT illegal, we have to make IT illegal even though yeah means soft tissue injuries is really great for recovery .

yeah and so you know in terms of athlete recruitment, there's such a wide pipeline. The difference in terms of um with A M M A and combat sports, there's no objective world records. You know it's solving for a fame question right performance question right.

It's to be one of the people that does IT. So have you talked to athletes about that combat sports?

Athletes we've had uh in in the castle call that we did, we had maybe about fifteen percent the athletes in the uh, combat disciplines real, including X, X, X, U, F, C.

Yeah so guys at the end of the run.

yeah, that's where performance enhancing drugs are very appealing. sure. You've been in your career, your sort of thirty, thirty five years old and people say, you know, you're out of IT, you should be retired and the saying this isn't now with the emotional maturity that you have in your thirties, right, to regain the body in your twice and to come back to compete a high level.

It's also the wisdom. It's it's not a emotional maturity. It's like accumulated time sparing accumulated time in different scenarios where you just you know what's coming next. You don't have to think about its programmed in to. Um so they're all kind of that is interesting because like I don't know how much you guys follow M M A, but one of the the great errors of M M A was veta belfort when they let them take to stop room.

So do you know about this? Okay it's legendary in M A because he is the best example of a veteran, a guy who is was an older guy first thought in the u fc at nineteen years old in nineteen nineteen ninety seven and in the two thousands, as was like two thousand and four or five. That's when they allow the test hostel and use exemptions.

And in vitor looked like an alien he would come at lucco saw him and in like at the way and and he's like, my first thought was, what the fuck is this guy on? Because he just, he had mohawk and he just looked insanely jacked and he was knocking everybody out I mean fearless but um because of the test host one use exemptions and then there was some controversy about IT. They had tested him one time and use e lives brazil and they had test them in one time when he was in the united states and he was off the charts, like, you're not supposed to have that much test.

Astra, this is fucking insane. And so then I started this controversy. And then ultimately, they got rid of testosterone and news exemptions.

But he was the perfect example of a really elite ite fighter who, you know, is getting older. His body was kind of fAiling him, and just, he did a lot of steroid when he was Younger, allegedly. And so his physical looked kind of a soft.

And then all the sudden heat looked like a fuck and freak, just a real freak. And he was just wheel kicking people and knocking everybody out. And he was like, he went on a run for a few years where he was just unstoppable, was terrifying and everybody knew he was enhanced.

You'd look at him, good lord. So then he gets off of IT two thousand and sixty. Seventy rather, is him off of IT. So two thousand and twelve is v tor high on the sauce, may look at him. And then two thousand teen look .

like the same person he doesn't.

All of his muscle went away, and all his endurance went away. His underconstumble was shot from years of doing T, R, T, know, and just whatever else is doing.

And and what I was cautioned about that is having the highest quality clinical and scientific supervision. So the problem about the current environment is that it's largely done on the ground, very few athletes of access to high quality doctors. Most of the information what .

I call bro science on body building or I can yeah .

so someone an instant gram. So you know, what we're trying to do is a very rigorous scientific a and medical process to ensure that we gather high quality clinical data and we share and i'm going to publish IT in the top journals and we have a scientific advisory ory board. We have doctors from you know previously a um you know the german of genetics at harvard professor George churches on our advisory board, and we've really built up a serious scientific medical establishment to make the enhance games a very serious endeavor.

And when you do this, so you're gonna combat sports, so you will have M M. A. You love wrestling.

Not sure not sure about rustling. You know we're still open ideas in terms of the pool of athletes that we can recruit. Rustling, as you know, increasingly in any sport on the participation numbers are down.

The television numbers are down, you know. So it's an an economic decision because one, the core chAllenges of the olympics games as they expanded to so many sports, it's so much content, so expensive to run and so on. Our analysis of sports is always what can be delivered with the highest television and social media act, with the lowest infrastructural cost.

him. But you're having sprinting in all these other games too, right? no.

Do you think that restless is like a mean? IT wasn't with the gino game in the olympic games. IT was the original sport.

yeah. But you know, we are inspired in some ways by the olympic games, but we don't want to be held back in history like the iocs. There are like a must be every four years, right? We must have these certain sports and um our games are going to be every year because I was an atheist letes greater opportunities to monetize and engage with their fans um and we believe that we are the olympics not of reinventing age in greece, but of the future.

So you have boxing.

Boxing certainly HMM.

The only worry that I think people would have is that giving someone substances would allow them to hurt someone more. It's like it's different. And I know what you're saying like the other person gets them to so, but it's a discussion, right, is if someone runs faster because he gave them something, like no one's getting hurt there, you know, maybe reputations are getting hurt, whatever. But if if you give someone something and allow someone to beat someone more, you know.

but isn't that the wrong more discussion?

Because then wouldn't then we should.

Isn't that the wrong discussion? Because we shouldn't do boxing if we don't want to allow people to hurt people.

That the decision exactly.

I think a lot of discussions always to do discussions where we can have a real discussion should we have boxing. But like, right, it's the same as they are. Oh.

my god.

And then but the other one is that maybe it's actually safer for the athletes if they're enhanced because maybe they can recover Better, maybe they can take more punishment. You know, maybe if you know they do get hurt in a fight, they recover Better from the fight than they would naturally. There's a good argument there as well.

yeah. Certainly what is appealing, particularly to older athletes, is reducing recovery time.

yes. Oh yeah, I mean, it's a significant thing for guys just in as they get into their thirties, if they're still competing as a professional, they realized, like I don't recover as well thirty four, even though i'm still in my athletic prime terms, ability to perform their ability to put in work in the gym is not quite the same. And the way they feel the next day is not quite the same.

I can tell you I started the whole process like I always when I started a company, I want na feel IT myself what is really what i'm talking about. It's not just like so i'm going through the enhancement process of an asleep myself um and it's unbelievable like you feel twenty is Younger in like recovery. I can train every day. I wake up in the morning and don't feel stiff anymore. I'm like, oh, shit, this is how I felt when I was in my twenties.

It's really strange that that looked down upon yeah I .

can't really understand IT no I can't really understand IT. It's like I think it's a natural right like you wanna a be at your best at any time in your life and you should be your decision, by the way. Yes, what is your best? And not saying that people should be jack, that this is inspirational IT should be every single person decision.

Yes, what makes you happy? What is aspired, rational for you? But what whatever you define you should be allowed to do if you are grown up and if you do IT, that is always my sort of not a limiting factor. But i'm really adamant. I I also don't if you know where i'm also working on bringing pacolet, expect that the same sort of discussion into the medical world, it's always you have to do IT with a doctor, no sort of informed environment but then I should be up to you the same with .

performance enhancements. Yeah, I could agree more. And I think another aspect of this whole thing is what you said initially, we all know that the elaborate r dury, we all know that we anyone who seen acris and if you haven't seen, I really recommend.

It's amazing. That these ate funded state sponsored programs have existed forever. They've just been doing wisely things to try to avoid detection and they get caught all the time.

And it's not as simple as like everyone just really wants to find out who the best is and they're on the honor system and everybody is honorable. No, it's like they're taking things. Everyone's taking things, are all hiding things.

But but imagine the scientific potential of all of that research if he came out into the open in terms of anti aging, in particular the same compounds that allow the individual aides to run faster and jump fire are the ones that will allow us to be Younger, faster and stronger for longer. And you know I think that's a very admirable um aspiration you know propped up Kennedy junior he's doing pull ups when joe bite and and Donald trump can hardly walk a fight stairs yeah and he's very openly enhanced yeah .

openly in hand. Works out with jeans on which is odd right jeans think is so weird really do because .

it's an important point. I think some a lot of people always put enhancements into just the vanity pocket ah, which is Better away. I know I think it's a very legit pocket because for example, i'm doing IT more for vanity, but like if you look at older people like Sarah ini, like a rapid muscle whatever is a problem for many people, and we take IT as Normal.

We like h IT is Normal that you losing muslim maze. And I was like, no, we can do something. And the life of a seventy eighty year old would be completely changed if they have a functioning muscle system again, again, which is Better way.

Easy to produce, but like we're shying away because IT all got calming gold in the eighties nineties doping debate. They are extremely good and bolic steroids with a very good medical news case. Take one of our yeah ah or these kind of compounds like they are very good for older people with muss loss with ostia proceed, but we don't give IT to them.

So I spoke to so many doctors and they still dare. But the doctors like all like I have these portail risk giving an eight old and annibal c zero because the word became so bad, despite they all agree this would make the life of millions of older people much more livable. But I was small doses, but like, yeah, yeah. So i'm very passionate not just about like enhance games, we hope will be A A Crystalized factor for a whole society change on how we look at body autonomy, how we give, how we give the decision back to people again, what they want to to be with their body, with their mind and all of that.

And with the current state of the art science too, is like, what is the point of having all this knowledge and functional ways? There's absolute waste, enhance the way your mind performs, your body performs and the chocolate of the vanity. So like, what about fashion? Should we get that's Better?

Do you know what .

the legal definition of medicine is?

No, I do not. So it's a fascinating thing I only learned to a couple weeks ago. So in the one thousand nine and twenty years the carnegie foundation commissioned a sociologist from uh john holt kon university, professor Albert, to go to study medical education and so used to be back and that anyone could call themselves a doctor.

Yeah, yeah, anyone can miss the boat. Yeah, anyone can this read some books and you hold your self a doctor. And after the flecker report, IT was decided by state legislators that we had to regulate what I meant to be a doctor and what medical education was required.

And the definition of medicine as a result of that is that medicine is about the treatment and cure of disease. It's making sick people less sick, right? And if you will continue your doctor and you say i'm a healthy thirty nine year old, but i'd like to be extraordinary he would say, i'm sorry, medicine legally cannot help you.

What wasn't this the reason why? Um and new visual when they first came up with those, I believe they came up with them with the idea of them being a performance enhancing substance, but then they didn't have a way to prescribe them.

so they used .

narcolepsy. And the the other is interesting stuff, right? Because IT doesn't make you speedy. No.

it's like I think it's like Better way. I always that universities when I give us speak, that's the real mind or intellectual enhancement drugs because IT doesn't make you children whatever.

But I would act IT with neutral pics.

We yes, I do a lot of thing. Yes.

he's the one that's more in hands OK.

but like I think again, but but it's a good example. Like why do we say for students or whatever, it's bad if you try to be the best like and why is is a substance modestine which is Better away, wildly studied, which is there is in the decades every single europe scientists in my team and my biotech sector I talk to is like, this can be taken safely in moderate mounts.

Like, and all of that, why are we like shine a way to discussing that? This is a good thing. Like, I don't even understand IT.

Like is there a large body of research on long term?

Yeah enormous like every trust me because I take IT yeah I I looked at .

IT and you won IT right now. Yes.

how you feel great like when it's like like so but but really like because like we have this whole to the lucky thing in my life is I have these resources like and we are one of we are the largest investor, one of the largest best in neuroscience.

So so I have all these colleagues at hand and I went to everybody because I people always mixed up there, like when they were talking like, oh my god, Christian is w adventures like i'm actually a huge hybrid henric, and i'm always worried I do the wrong thing. So meaning I put in a lot of effort before I take something. So I went to some of the biggest news scientists in the world and discuss more definite, and everybody just had good things to say.

I really minute like though not and not only modestly, but i'm not doing a marketing session about IT, but it's a good example. We really don't understand how we could not at least give people a choice. Again, some people might .

not want to do IT. Yeah, they have choice.

Just have try to drink way, which is why you might, he might have you been on a show like a good friend? Is professor David north. Do you know the name where he from? Uh from from the U. K. If we can pull IT up like he he wrote a whole book is my favorite sort .

of take on health .

cked about societies in terms of drugs. He wrote a whole book about the risk of drugs. The because the interesting thing is we all throwing around the world risk without definition. When I sit at dinner and talk with people about more definitely, for example, of psychiatric, then they zip ing a glass of wine, look at me and like, oh, this is very risky and then like, tell me, what do you mean? What is risk and people don't have an answer for.

So what David did, he defined what actually risk is? He made a real risk score, simplified, said, can you die when you take IT? Can you die when you take too much? Can you become disabled? Can you have long term damages? Can you become addicted? All of that.

So he, for the very first time, defined a proper, but we never tested on disputed risk score for substances you can take. And then he applied this risk score to most. He forgot sugar, but like most legal and illegal drugs, from alcohol to heroin to psychodeviant s so the outcome is that in a comprehensive risk assessment, the most risk, risky risk for drug of all, the number one is alcohol, full stop. And by the way, I was never sort of disputed. The number two is heroine and then comes everything .

else as you hear users.

So they just get on a total society is so the paper is in the lander, which is the top medical journal. And if jie, you want to pull that up, it's called drug harm in the U. K. A multi criteria decision analysis publishing the land in two thousand ten by professor David not and IT has this amazing chart.

which i'm looking at on the way I like a little logo pretty good.

Thank you. Um and and yes, on the one side, on the most extreme um with the highest individual and social risk as alcohol and heroin and on the other side psychotheism .

so but way I urge every every listen up because that's a love of my passion, is like to make people at least aware and then you can decide by the way, that you drink alcohol. Not saying I would ban, but I think people should be aware.

Is that crazy what they doing?

You it's all about education and awareness.

Look, the drop between alcohol and everyone. You was less so.

But I want we care because dad actually would got him in political trouble. Because one magazine, roads, which is Better away, the wrong take away, said, oh, the drug advice of the U. K. Government said, uh, heroine, take heroin on the alcohol. And is the second worse?

So mushrooms.

So what? The chart has a very emotional, emotional thing for me, because I was presented the chart in two thousand and thirteen. And guess that not, I have never drink alcohol.

Mal life, i'm from bavaria, and I decided when I was fourteen, I never gonna touch IT ever, uh, for a society reason, because I was gay in a village where he was not cool to be gay. And I was like, if I get wrong, i'm gonna spill IT that my life is really. And then I stayed on that track.

But like, so friends in two thousand and thirteen showed me that chart, uh, and we talked a lot about IT. And the outcome of IT was like, you should try mushrooms and I was like, you completely insane. Like it's schedule one drug, whatever. And then he took me a year when I was reading up.

And Better way, this was a different time like people didn't talk about seater legs and all over that so um I was reading up all about psychedelics from two thousand and two thousand and fourteen and then had my first psychedelic trip in two thousand and fourteen which was hands down the single most meaningful and important saying i've ever done in my whole life. Nothing comes close and I was always a very happy, happy, lucky persons or I didn't think it's doing that much for me. So I came out of this trip and there was the point when I decided the psychedelics and generally should be medically available like and and and sort of restarted the whole syc delic of reiss's. Well.

i'm glad that something that we've been discussing forever and you mean it's something that got squash in one thousand nine hundred and seventy. Sweeping psychedelics c and IT didn't make any sense.

I think IT was the biggest crime, one of the biggest crime the government back then did. Because if you think about IT, like all the data we producing, IT has the potential to heal.

Really am using the word healing with deliberately um to healing mental health issues like depression, anxious that you if you think about IT that a government scam in one thousand hundred and seventy, which was a pure political scheme ah to discredit the hyp y community because they were going against to be a number um that that took away one of the most potent groups of drugs, medical drugs, four mental health issues and and you look at our time how prevalent mental health issues are, they are actually as a whole you could say the number one problem we have from from oppoa diction to depression to use suicidality uh and it's all was taken away for no reason. These drugs as you saw on the chart and Better way would be showing with my two companies compose and a tie um they don't have a little downside. Me, everything has a downside, but like there is no big downside if taken properly with a therapies together. But the the data reproducing show was an enormous upside again to cure and and H A leva mental house issues.

And I think one of the best paths that maps has put forth is helping soldiers, helping soldiers with P. T, S, D. And that's been A A great way to get through the door because, you know, the veteran communities been dealing with IT for a long time.

And I think it's shifted the perspective from a lot of these people that are more conservative that would Normally would think of drugs as being for losers and bad for society. And they have a different perspective on IT. Now if you're to your calling IT drugs, it's the wrong word. No.

it's a medication.

Yeah well, it's it's really enthusiast. Yes, you know what they are when you experiences IT. Anybody who experiences IT would not want IT to be illegal. The people that are the problem is the people that are adamant about IT being illegal or the ones who aren't experience. Again, yes, it's really ridiculous.

agree. You might have seen that IT was one of the problem of the adviser reboard meeting of the fda some days ago when maps presented their data. I don't know if you followed IT like unfortunate was a very sad moment.

The it's not a decision yet because the fda is gone to decide on August eleventh on M D. M. A. But the advisory committee hearing, which was public, recommended not to approve elia for post stress disorder. IT was a big outcry.

But the reason is also I want to be a little bit self critic, like for the sake delic industry because i'm a huge believer, like you're sitting next to maybe the biggest believe in sec delic. But I also realize that ninety five percent, I would guess, because we live in our bubble. You have met a lot of people who take second.

Alex, I always very open, like in a country where legal, I do my psychedelic therapy sort of life enhancing twice a year. I am very open with them. But like I also realized we are a bubble, like in ninety five percent of whatever, like a vast majority of of people have not done on psychiatric c yet, and are we can like you or not, and we can blame the mix and government or not, but like our stuck in this misinformation.

So the only way to this was sort of what some people seem too conservative, because they like, oh my god, you're taking IT like you should like, be more like deliberate, whatever. But my decision was, the only way to move psychedelic back into the medical world is to do IT like I would do IT. And we have a biotech portfolio, fifty biotech companies like I do IT with every other medical substance and producing clinical data in a very rigorous, very scientific way um to show and prove IT what I personally believe.

But we have to prove IT and that was a little bit the weakness of the map data because you know maps was uh a non profit, so they never had a huge funding. So all the data was actually always done with the minimum effort, not because they wanted IT, but like was kind of limited in terms of funding. Give an example, like maps to two hundred people in the face three P D S D study, uh, in our treatment resistant depression study of solar yvan, the active ingredient imaging mushrooms, we treated on hundred eight hundred people.

Why people said that being a lot. Do you need to spend all that money? Because he cost hundreds of millions. But I was like, people will try to poke holes in IT because its magic mushrooms.

So because i'm dealing with psychiatric and because I have this personal conviction, but I cannot take my personal conviction and say, so everybody should just follow me. He was like, I know I need to be especially rigorous, I need to do this sort of very scientific, very broad so so yeah, long story short, I think like a delays are coming back. Yeah, I think we gone to deliver really good data over the next years.

And uh, I also think I still hot that D F D A will actually still approve M D A because they can so they don't need to follow that advise, reports, recommendation. And I think the political pressure of the veterans of stairs, I really hope but if not, it's also not lost because the advisory board didn't push back on M, D, M, apr, say they pushed back on that specific data set and said, okay, they are holes we can poke into IT. So yeah, nothing lost.

Nothing lost. What's going on with marijuana is interesting country. Because at this point, twenty four is a twenty four, twenty four states.

We talk about the yesterday, twenty four states have illegal for recreational use, literally half the country. And then you have more that have IT available for medical use. Yet the government still has IT as a schedule one.

They have made moves to turn IT to a schedule three. But as of this discussion is a schedule one drug, which is you have twenty four, you have half the country literally in states that are saying you can take IT here. You can buy IT here.

You can sell IT here will tax IT. And the federal government is still not on board with that. And then the move next would be solicited. And so some states of decriminalize that, right, like port lin, kind of poland or organ, I think has done a reverse. They've y've made like, I think theyve hit the breaks.

I want to make a big sort of plea that suicide or in general, security lakes and cannabis should not be mixed together. People instinctively do that because it's kind of the same history. It's it's so called illegal drugs, which now becoming, in one way or the other, legal.

But if I look at IT, I have a very sort of strong opinion. Psychedelics are very strong substances in a very good way, so they have a very good outcome. But if I look at human history and you had bryan here a rescue of, yeah.

So if you look at brian's work, he has shown that over ten thousand years, humans have used secured alics in a very actually, Richard setting. If you think about the culture demeter, the elizario mysteries of the cultural cyrus, they are all of these second di cuts. They all actually said, you can just do psychiatrically one such twice a year with a sharma together.

IT was actually forbidden by death to take the cooking on the drink, which we believe was urged the natural version of L S D india cinema stripe outside of the very strong framework of deletion ing industry. So psychedelic were never consumer drugs. They were always there for enlightenment and for becoming a Better human being.

But the people understood that IT has to be done in a certain framework to really unfold their power OK. So that's what I want IT. So that's why I really have my personal so psychedelic should be medically used, but they should be limited, if not consumers rugs. They should be limited to be used with the therapies together, who also of gives you a sort of a full sort of therapy section around IT. And that's how they can unfold.

And from here, I would say about that, first of all, two things. One, you can take psychodeviant s in microdot is and is very effective. It's very helpful.

And to limit people from having the ability to do that, I don't think makes any sense. There is great benefits to microdot ing Sullivan. A lot of people have had great benefits microdot ing ellsling like a tremendous benefits, and they talk about IT very openly.

And I think if we are going to act under the idea of body autonomy, that falls under that. Also to say that marijuana is not a psychiatric all that would say amazing i'm digg enough or you have been taken at ables because you ware of the process of what happens when you eat um cannabis. You know the difference .

what do you mean I prepared to psychology or no.

the difference tween thc and eleven hydrox in meta abi, okay, when you eat marijuana, IT doesn't IT produces a completely different chemical. When IT gets processed by your level, your liver, it's called eleven hydrox. You eleven high jokes in tables, five times more psychoactive than t.

Hc and I used to do a joke about IT were said and IT, let's talk to dolphins because it's very psychiatric eddic pot, like in high doses, is extremely psychiatric, especially if you close your eyes, like if you lie somewhere in silent darkness and close your eyes on ivana IT rivals a lot of different trucks, arrivals, suicide and a lot of them, especially in the tank that I shot you guys. So I drugs you mushrooms, like there's a great history of people using them in those tanks. We talked about john lilly, who academy, but I know a lot of people who do high levels of edibles and they get in the tank and they have crazy psychedelic experiences.

I don't think it's that. I think that's also part of the problem with people recreationally taking edibles as you really probably shouldn't do that all the time, especially at high doses because I think IT causes kizer hernia. And I think IT has in some people, I think IT IT causes fragile minds to shatter, and especially if you have some underlying conditions or propensity or a family history of schizophrenia is probably not a good idea for you. But I don't think we should just like dismiss marijuana is being different than the other drugs, is just a drug that is more likely to be consumed microdot.

okay. So I just want to be mindful that we not mixing, he says. So I didn't want to a pulse, marion. I just talking about .

opposed to talking about something about mushrooms because .

mushrooms are many. It's technical, a different mechanism move actual yes. So so IT might have same or similar feelings. But I think it's it's a different mechanism action. If you Better way pull up the the chart again off of David. Not so the amazing thing with mushrooms is that the only risk which you solve with the small pinkish sort of thing is that you fall down the stairs and hurt yourself while you take IT otherwise. So sivan has no toxicity.

Kenna is has yes, like you yes, but that's but .

way less than I I just always just but I know .

people that have blown their brains out like with city and but I cannot imagine .

like we have a whole team which is following up that sentence. If somebody says that and literally for like, since when are we doing that? Since two thousand and eighteen, every single person we could find online and chat boards, whatever, whom we contacted, who said, oh, I have any side effect.

Our first question is always, what have you taken? And one hundred percent of the people who had negative things said, oh, i've taken mushrooms and I drank a lot of ukho and I took a lot of cocaine. Can already stop there.

Never mix these things because we don't know what i'm arguing for. But IT was the same going back to microdot. We need to find or we need to create a scientific basis for all of that.

There will never be a scientific study which tells you you can happily mix alcohol, soluble in and cannabis. I really don't know what's happening in your brain. Yeah, so don't do IT.

But I can give you a lot of studies what is happening. Stand alone when you take the assignment. I can give you a lot of studies what is happening when I take ten of yeah so I always tell people why mix.

That is one of my first recommendations because I remember i'm a hyper hundred. I just want to do things what I really know, what's happening my body, because life is awesome. I think i'm very okay up there.

I'm happy like that. Why should I risky? I Michael rosen is my favorite example to um push back a bit because you said that actually you said they are people who say they were helped by micro dosing. That is not how science works because like I can give you lot of people who have one experience, but like sciences, take thousand of them and see if there is a real statistic significance in whatever we want to prove they are not from us.

Because I think micro dsc will always be not a commercial endear, but there are a few really good studies from don't want to say you can look I think he was the university of chicago, but I don't know about micro oci. And they could not reproduce the positive factories individual people were saying on a large scale. Second um the positive .

factors were the searching for .

increasing concentration, increasing creativity like all sort of the anecdotal .

evidence did they try skills games study of elastic record sing doesn't show a theraputics fect who might look, I was just performed.

What i'm saying is like we need to work. I just say I I .

want to hang out these people.

but I give you the positive, I give you the positive, anything you going to like, but like what i'm saying is like, by the way, think about again, bryan's is work. People never micro s people, micro s ethics.

right? But IT doesn't mean that there's benefit to micro.

Yeah but I would say micro o dos, do you want trip the year? You get all the benefits. But why? Because they are we know you get neuropathy. We know you get all the positive effect of IT.

But second, what you need to be just mindful is like there was a study some days ago um if we can pull IT up, if you look microdot and hard, so the all the psychiatric stock uh at the five uh h to a receptor, but also have an effect on your hearts. So hopefully i'm i'm not using the technology right terms. But I always described IT to my friends is like psychedelic are a little bit poking your heart. So if you do that once a year, we've shown IT zero problem zero. We don't know what psychiatric microdot does to your heart where IT isn't .

the poking the heart effect due to the large doses of stunning experiences that you're having when you're really tripping on seven ground, you don't know. So only .

thing i'm putting out there is that we everything i'm saying is like what is really important and I am saying that as really like one of the most passionate people of about psychiatric that we cannot or we shouldn't abandon .

on the uh my bars .

no stop that is I know that study that study uh is about um a polluted chocolate bar, which is another thing there was a brand which put in stuff which .

is not what they say .

like that which is also really important point about all drug use right a wonderful book by a professor, carl heart from columbia university. Drug use for run ups yeah .

we're talking about mr.

yeah. And it's like, you know, america's drug problem is a dosage and an adult term problem, right? And if we want to think about the issues that we have at hand in our society, IT is almost always about adult oration like no one goes out to seek out fit, all right? It's adult trained into other products and in the cracked dosage and with high quality products, in most circumstances, most products can use safely.

嗯嗯， the I swear there is something about solicited and microdot and skills is not told what drug there and performance is the micros .

either during .

drug sessions or did they use a like some of I Q test puzzles, what they do code of test? yeah. I will just wonder what they wonder, what they did, a coalition test. There were also some neural biological reasons to expect l might improve mood, because L, D act through serotonin recept tors, where traditional into depressions are known to act. The main thing i'm .

saying is about IT. So microsys could be the only plea magas. Like, let's treat psychodeviant s with the same sort of rigorous, scientific, yes lens, like we treat anything else but way.

That's my whole like how I marry my libertarian view. And sort of my scientific view is let's just prove things. Science is awesome. Like we have to learned over the last hundreds of how to prove things or dismiss things. Let's prove IT.

And that's spite away how we we am in here in the room because we all love segel ics like how we convince the ninety five percent, how we convince those people who were sitting on the advisory panel and said no to M E. May IT was very clear when they were talking that none of them had tried IT. So but the answer can be, come on, try and the M A, and then please approve IT.

The answer must be, I put in front of you a data said where IT doesn't matter that it's called m demand. IT doesn't matter. That has a history because the data speaks for itself.

right? Yeah, it's just its body autonomy is what we're really talking about .

once you have proven IT exactly. But do you want body autonomy? Want you want to have people the data to decide on body autonomy?

sure. So I always make the point that individuals with free and informed consent adults should be able to make decisions for themselves, but that free and inform consent comes from data. And like a good example, as some you use, create at someone in your mind, just like virtually all of its have, when create teen was first came out of the scene after the one hundred and ninety two barcelo olympics.

Like you should read, the headlines was like new super steroid infecting our sports, like headlines. The independent newspaper great is cheating. No matter .

how you look at IT.

what is is nineteen ninety two?

Wow, right now we take IT all now yeah.

I is I like day yeah and IT was banned in the irish and french rugby federations. IT was seen as um cheating IT was worse than cheating. IT was morally reprehensible. Like think of the children you might encourage children to use korea .

team and and .

the headlines were just unbelievable.

That's crazy. That was just thirty plus years ago. Not and and .

thankfully creating didn't fall into the black zone like story or psychodeviant s right ah where moralizing got in the way of scientific data.

Now let's talk about the enhance games in terms of long term plans. Like how are you guys funded and how long can you stay open? Like if you do, you have a long term strategy? yes. So we raise .

millions of dollars in the world's top venture capitals, Christian included, Peter tio, should of and lets you know we're reinventing the olympic games, not just in terms of adding a performance enhances, adding payments that but were also removing the core waste.

So the core problem with olympics, as they belt a dozens stadiums and then they throw them away after two weeks, IT is literally the most financially wasteful exercise in human history you know um between thirty and one hundred billion dollars a cost to put on an olympic games. And IT is just disastrous for the whole city. So by reducing the number of sports and focusing on the ones that the highest television and social media impact, we can have the very, very low infrastructural cost and Operate the whole thing profitably.

right? But how old do you have? A plan is so like, how long to do IT?

Oh, this is a century .

long project .

for so pop, if I .

understand, what if it's not successful? What if the first one comes out the gate? Like, how you going to make the money? Are you going to use sponsorships? Are you going to charge paper? How are you going to do you onna .

sell IT to a network. So a number one, we will raise enough equity capital so that we can run the games for at least three years without any uh, media rights, corporate sponsorship or ticket sales. Of course, we will grab all those revenue drivers and that will make us a profitable endeavor. But fundamentally, we have enough equity capital to make sure this thing really work and is delivered for a long period of time.

So for three years, we just one to the brakes .

or even if we don't. But what I can tell you, what I was actually a little bit surprised positively is like we got in bounded by big brands, we were actually calculating in the early days. We said it's going to be controversial.

Um we don't think a bike as whatever how to a brand, whatever a big of a sports where brand will sponsor in the first years. So we really as iron side, we planned we we are venture funded and we can do IT three years without those major revenues, which we obviously someone wants to have. But then surprisingly major brands invited us and said, can we work with your early which again showed us like we sort of hit the site guys a bit ah with the thing.

And so in terms of brand sponsorship, so. Nike, their core method. Gy, is that the fastest people in the world? Where are their shoes?

I like, say their core method.

Yeah, the core mythology. And then this is very simple. Eventually the fastest people in the world will be at the enhance games. And then, and if and if they're not wearing nike shoes, that can undermine that hundred billion dollar brand.

And so if you are a chAllenger shoe company out, then you say, who sponger? This enhances games thing, right? We can capture nike's corn out, is a brand, is just a myth.

And this interesting, we have phrase at the core method. Gy, now, when you guys, when when is going to be the first enhance games .

at the are targeting for the end of twenty twenty five?

And do you know where you're going to do?

IT, so this is a question .

germans always asking.

you need to do the spheres ah is the sphere .

is a yeah not a non .

educated guess, not an non .

educated guess.

So, so, so the journalists .

always ask, mt, words enhance is going to be because they think of IT like the olympic games. I think of you need a host city where you have twelve stadiums. S, and there are very few cities like that.

But we live in the era of television and social media. We don't need all of our infrastructure in the same place. The swimming could be in sydney, the track and field could be in los Angeles, the weight lifting could be in lusby gas, right? Interest and all united with the magic television. Therefore, we are not dependent on infrastructure in one city. We're not dependent on having ten thousand hotel rooms available.

And this is really the technology gc innovation that we're bringing to the design of olympics was like, why do the olympics need to be in one sd right? Why does the paris metro system need to be upgraded for just two weeks at the cost billions and billions of dollars? No, we live in a world where ninety nine point nine percent of sports is consumed either on television or on .

our first has the olympics. Have they responded to you guys? Yes, they say, I can, we care this.

Ah uh so, uh you know the it's interesting so publicly they don't like us obviously um but the fact that we are paying the athletes has really changed the dynamics of olympic sport so lord season co, who is the president of world athletics, came out and said that athletics will pay fifty thousand dollars for a gold metal at the paris olympics and read the coverage journalists all the trip at this because the pressure we put on, because we're are offering payment for athlete, obviously were offering a million for a gold medal. They are offering fifty grand.

So gold medals need enhance games for a million, breaking the world record in additional million.

No no, no. The war records are are a million and the um you know will be based compensation negotiated with each other around a hundred.

And but you just said gold medals of million.

no, a world record a million at the enhanced, the gold metal in tracking.

feel that the olympic is fifty thousand. You I think pretty. You said, I think you just ramble. So so what is first place in like boxing.

uh, to be determined.

to determined otia IT with different athletes?

Yeah IT depends.

You know someone has a big social media following someone is famous. Yeah yeah and and Brown wants to play basketball for games.

Exactly exactly. So and some sports are more compelling uh because of the larger viewing or that they have um you know multiple discipline. So are you .

planning do you have a plan as to how to stream IT? The og is gonna do youtube? Are you going to have your own platform?

So we have been approached by every major broadcaster in the world ah and and and the overarching message is there like this is going to be exciting television. So the three most watch sports event in the world, number owers the feet of world cup final. Number two is the U A champion sake final and number three is the olympic hundred media final. And if you think about IT, the first enhances games should be a lot more interesting than an olympic hundred meter final, right?

It's definitely I mean, if you guys can really come out the gate guns blaze and put on a tremendous show in captivate people, I think you're .

in yeah and you know that's why we raise millions and millions of dollars from the world's top venture capital funds so we can deliver an amazing broadcast experience um recruit the best athletes and ensure that you know we make a television package that's really, really compelling.

Um and for the networks, they they want to buy a five, ten year deal because they are effectively taking about the olympic television rights are worth four billion per games wow. And we live in the air of peak television rights right now. You know like amazon A B C D N T they're would you know biting for the N B A rights.

You know, two N B A games on Christmas. There are were a billion dollars, right? And and and this is an absolute sweet spot, right? And you see this with college football and college basketball.

And I all write, you know, eighteen year olds in college are now driving lamborghinis yet olympic athlete s have been so screwed financially yeah um and that would just deliver a Better economic system uh that is a more compelling television package because of enhances. And then ultimately, television rights are about what commercials can be sold. And traditional sports markets three things progress, food, alcohol and gambling.

Yet the enhance games opens up broadcast partnerships, commercial, sorry, PS, in a whole new way. This, we present a scientifically and technologically optimistic view of the world. We believe that science helped us overcome our limits. And what farmer company wouldn't want to be putting ads against that?

It's good. Well, mean, it's really interesting because if he does take off, IT might legitimately change the way pharma companies interface with these particular substances if they are realize that they going to be extremely popular once they see how well people do, especially if you get athletes that are in their thorium that may be washed out of MMA organizations and they start competing at an elite level again. If you start seeing people breaking the world records in spring, they might go and revisit this yeah .

and think about IT like um the whole world is a buz talking about artificial intelligence. The total value of all the generated A I start up, including open A S two hundred billion dollars OEM c and the G L, P one drug have added one trillion dollars to the market capitalization of nova. Notice can eli lily so one enhancement drug is where five x all of artificial intelligence .

is a dumb one.

Yes, but it's it's a progress. But when I use that always as a the same example like uh, I think farmer and that's my core industry bias and farmer, he's going through a fundamental change because of G L P ones because they realized that enhancement, they're using that work. But they all thinking about IT because like if you look about away the data so you know like take a empty on jara, they are technically not i'm taking IT so but they are not yeah but they know .

because it's outsource .

discipline that's IT yeah. It's like I eating a little bit less. I don't need to think about IT that much yeah because of all the .

other but the consequences, the negative side effects i've had good friends that I ve had, very bad side effects. Gastro test.

I don't have IT. But way that is, again, my answers always like everything has side effects. The coffee you just gave me, head side effects, the diet coke, the whatever actually always come back like IT that likes have made the least like, but like we need is all of about an education. I can look at olympic now, there is a whole list of side effects, and they can look at myself. But I am also is very important to measure yourself, like from the the basic stuff, like have an oral rain that's already more complicated or more advances, but like taking oral rain, like I do a blood every two weeks because i'm obviously at the moment going through enhancement process and because people react different on different stuff, like there might be people who say, look, I don't like us them because they don't take IT or like IT have so but like IT worked for me, which is great. So but it's also discipline, but i'm not the person because IT was made for because IT was obviously originally made for diabetes and then for clinically obese people.

And and you know that cosmic and the G L P ones are prescribed in the united states of labelled eighty three person of the time.

yeah. So eighty three percent of all people don't take IT for the original and use. They take IT for vanity. What's forever and dead really changed. The way pharmacy als are looking at medications is exactly coming back to what what iron said it's we were in indeed side guys shift where suddenly the whole industry looks at health, by the way, I think looks at health, how we should look at health, not like how we just give people something once the damage is there, but how we can keep and keep people more healthy for longer and help them to enhance themselves so they want so .

I couldn't get more yeah .

and I come from the view that aging is a disease that we should be able to treat, cure and eventually solve and but that's not what medicine is about so legally aging is not a disease so a doctor cannot prescribe you medication uh, against the clinical indicator of aging. Ageing is a Normal biological process and is just accepted by the field of medicine. And IT wasn't until ninety ninety seven that ostro pro sis was considered disease.

IT was prior to that just considered a natural part of the aging process. And so I think we need a revolution here where we say medicine is not about making just the people less sick, it's about fundamentally improving the quality of all human life so that we can become superhuman. And at the time in which, you know, we live in a lot and arrow, artificial intelligence, where the machines are upgrading, we need to upgrade our own biology to be competitive.

why? I think the in that case, I mean, especially looking at oyama. And these drugs have used off label the fact that are so incredibly profitable and the fact that they are being used mostly for people that just want to lose some way to look Better. That's really probably a good sign for the future of how these substances are, or at least allowed to be used.

And and at the first and hands games, athletes will break world records.

Do you think so? I think so.

And I I parked that up for a second. But the when that happens, everyone's going to say. What is he on and how do I get IT? Yeah, because it's no longer going to be scary.

It's no longer going to be unknown. It's like if Lance armstrong, after coming back from cancer and wing, the tour france, went out and you know what? I'd like to think my sponsor, E P O, E P O made IT possible for me to go from being a cancer patient to the best cyclist in the world. Everyone in the world will go talk to their doctor about IPO. Yeah, right.

But he didn't do that. No, he didn't. No, also everybody should be on epo. No, not is a dangerous.

But but talk to your doctor about IT, about your dog and and so why will records keep broken at enhancing me is actually pretty simple. Okay, uh, according to my scientific team, they believe that enhanced will add about five percent to the performance of any athlete. However, most of the existing world records are enhanced in some way or another who say imports world record or might be.

And so it's actually like kind of hard, but actually doing a full open enhancement that's not trying to be the drug test problems, about five percent. But IT also goes back to the economics of being an olympic athlete. Most olympians are stacking box at the home deepo or flippin burgers and mcDonald d's.

So by being able to pay the athletes and create a fair economic arrangement, loves them to focus on their training, right? And then a third dimension, actually a really simple one. Have you ever been to the? Have you ever been to olympics? No, okay, go to the athletes village.

It's a dump, right? They had you like carboy beds, these paper invoice. It's noisy. Everyone's having sex all the time. If you just put up the athi to the four seasons, give a nice bed to sleep in, they'll be more focus theyll have a good night sleep before before the big race and i'll perform Better interesting.

I didn't know that. So they make the athletes stay the athletes village and it's just real loud and crazy .

their party um yeah that's right because the vast majority of athi to go to olympics have no chance of meddling, right? They'd they're just for the party and you have all these beautiful Young people.

what they think is going to happen, right? They are, all athletes are horny.

old, literally oppressed. Release some days ago where they said they just gonna do single beds in order to avoid people having sex. I was like, whenever in university life has a single bad avoided that people have sexy IT was one of .

the most dum ideas like that is like, just say, no, that's such a dumb idea. People have section of woods the fuck you're talking about personally. S lifts intimacy ban for athletes and is stocking up on three hundred thousand condoms.

They went the other way. There was then two conflict.

They use the other one was more hilarious .

with the single beds and the lines I saw some days ago that A A blow job before sports is actually increasing your test also. Yeah so yes.

google like I was like A A log.

I don't know, but I was like I take IT .

I think IT is like it's when giving you're getting getting okay. But why would that? I understand what that particular would .

do IT I ran with IT.

I was like, like, I shut the laptop and I really .

a good headline take let's not be too scientific .

and that one, yeah I fuck around.

made a screen shot using .

IT in yes, that's start. So now um we have how many sports?

So five sports, five sports. So track swimming, combat, weight lifting, janna CS, those are the five core sports that we ve identified that they have the highest television and social media impact with the lowest infrastructural cost. We don't need to build special stadium. So you know, like, I love villa drum cycling, the sport that I did myself. You need to build a three hundred million dollar .

city for IT and there what is volador m cycling track cycle? Oh, it's like around you yeah that like.

you know, a few thousand people in the whole world participate and it's pretty tty, pretty neat sport. And most sports of the olympic games, the total number of set professional semi profession participants is very small. Um so you know things like rock climbing, skate board, there aren't huge participation numbers with these things.

So people going to be hard, broken, that synchro ze swimming .

is out yeah curling bobs .

lay ah and the participation .

one thousand people world .

in question though, would be if people on psychiatric or would be Better synchronize .

to ming because .

it's like bringing .

exactly you.

but we save that for later.

Are you familiar with beta blockers? yes. So do you know that classical musicians use beta blockers? About seventy five percent of professional or castro musicians have used bad blockers.

No, right. So bad blockers are a banned substance. Under the world antidoping code, they would not be allowed to compete the limping games. But it's used on mass by professional or it's .

interesting. Wonder why professional orchestra musicians would .

find that helpful. Allows them to focus.

I think the hand gets more stable. And my guys, i'm not a musician.

but interesting because I wouldn't think that they would be especially a large group of them. They've been working together. They practice. I wouldn't think it'd be that anxious.

I don't know how you were performed on stage at carnegy hill.

I profound on stage. Mass school garden. yeah. I mean, once you're out there, you're out there. Musicians use beta blockers as performance enabling drugs. Video game players also sense.

call the fuck .

down in the yeah so yeah interesting I know they're illegal in artery events yeah just for them in artery and here we go you know.

there's the constant master, the chat nugas sympathies chest right there is this openly talking about using interesting .

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performance .

enhancing drive that work? That's our working like what's the side effect .

of bet blockers after consultation with a doctor?

Yeah, I talk to my doctor. Doctor, feel good. Hey bud, hope we have. It's bit about I could do something dangerous as zero, I feel, and .

have an unadulterated .

ted supply.

Good, good manufacture. Freeway Ricky ross on the podcast yesterday, I don't enough, you know who he is, but he was a drug dealer that was illiterate that was at one point time selling as much as three million dollars worth of cocaine in a day.

And he was supplying IT was all done through the CIA, allegedly to supply a the conscious versus a santi stas in nicaragua and the thousand nine hundred eighties, he went to jail for IT, learned how to read in jail, became a lawyer, figured out his case was tried and prosecuted. Wrong, got off. wow.

Yeah, incredible guy. And you know, we talked about the problem is you're never going to get away from the demand. The demand in the united states is immense. So you're fueling drug empires in mexico.

So you're fueling illegal organized crime because you won't come to terms with the fact that body autonomy and the rights of an individual to choose to do whatever they want, especially in the light of what is legal that is incredibly damaging, like alcohol. And that if you just made IT legal, I mean, you would have a real problem. You would have a lot of people getting addicted, you have a lot of people trying, and that wouldn't try IT.

But eventually the dust would settle. And the concept would be, you would have to mitigate all these potential future problems with counseling, with treatment and with education, but you would severely limit the amount of adulterated drugs. You would change a lot of that if you make sure that the supply was clean and you're getting in from farmers who will drag companies and farmers will drag companies could profit off of IT.

And you would just have a percentage of that profit that ality. And in that discussion about um the social externality and addictive substances know we never talk about the two most addicted to substances process food and sugar right which i've done so much damage torst society and do you know .

who T U S says .

top and sponsors are .

ogs mcDonalds and coca o yes .

I read read, read the social .

history of the olympic movement and of mcDonald's and coca cola. Both of them build their brands on sports marketing, selling so the most dangerous, most addictive, most damaging drug ever developed to children. It's funny .

that we don't look at that. That way isn't IT. Also.

I always say like when you when you remember the chart, we looked at where heroin is worse as alcohol is worse than heroin. Next time you go to an airport and you see all these shops, which say alcohol and tobacco, whatever, just think for a second I would say heroin, how mess stop is that and like and it's not just for adults like, it's also children like we just bringing them up in the world where, like, the most dangerous substances is our stuffed into them and like marketed to them and whatever I think is .

really fucked up up IT is fucked up yeah where we're very silly. There's a lot of things that we've got wrong and there's a lot of perceptions that people have that are just locked into their minds and they don't want to move on these ideas at all, don't want to read just with new data. They don't want to change their feelings about things.

How do you think is the best way to change perceptions .

conversations over a long period time? It's not a quick fix. Nothing's gona fix. Now things is onna change things, but Young people coming up. And I think a lot of podcasts are doing that because these conversations are available for the first time and not just available, but available to millions and millions of people in a way that, you know, IT used to be mainstream media was. And these conversations get shared.

And then people, they put clips on instagram and youtube when they start, pass them around and people listen more, and then they, you know, I used to think this, but now that, and the more conversations you have with intelligent, educated people that really understand what's going on and can give you the data and give you and explain IT in a logical way, we realized this is an intelligent person that is an informed perspective on this. And IT allow people to just sort of evaluate. And I think faith in institutions is at an all time low, and faith and institutions that give out health advice is at an all time low because we now know about the sugar industry that bribed, uh, scientists in order to lie about the dangers of saturated fat.

We know about drug companies that live about side effects of their drugs and high data. We know about all that now. So we're a little west likely to believe the mainstream narrative on a lot of things that we just accepted as fact.

That's right. And I think we live in this era of disruption, and social media is such a powerful force in both positive and negative ways. And two years ago, he was basically impossible for athletes to talk about performance enhancing drugs.

Yeah, like you would just be cancelled immediately. And you know, we launched, you know, I started to have a conversation and pulled the overton window open. And now so many eminent scientists and doctor is, come on.

You know, if you actually look at the data, look at professor, not study. Not that dangerous, yes, of having conversation. But how will this affect our society? How will this you build a Better future, right? And this is only possible because of the era of information distribution, which we have, which is not guarded by traditional .

media institutions. right? But when you might have missed that, but like annic, there were also on the and it's almost where are like very low rise.

like keep with that chart up again, jammy, please. One of the things that was interesting in that chart is just like the, I would like to know, like percentage of people who use these things, like what kind of data? R R, what first?

What is that one at the bottom? B pano. H I M.

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we can look .

IT up together. What is that? That there IT is synthetic opioid, oh, interesting use, treat pain and oppoa use disorders. Okay.

so it's from the puppy.

okay? Interesting OK. After a .

approved substance by that.

I also saw method one was on that, which I thought was interesting, uh, equally as effective as a moderate doses, a method one. However, because bee prethee is unlikely be as effective as more optimal dose, method one IT may not be the treatment of choice for patients with high levels of physical dependency. Okay, so it's to treat people that are physically dependent. IT was create them on that list.

No interesting .

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lot of research .

on cry yeah litters people, Steve lighters, cannabis in their cheese cards. Cannabis really high.

It's not without risk.

yes, but lower than tobacco.

Kind of you out in there.

There are best stuff, i'm guessing .

drugs specific tally. Let me see. Scroll up again so I could see what IT says for drugs. Is everything in canas you have to go buy the color and then the no drugs, specific mortality. Okay.

national dam.

that's I like, I was all color coded.

yeah. So the way the survey works, IT looks at the overall harm, and it's broken up into two, one to the user and that physical, psychological and social and and to others, the physical and psychological and the social damage caused.

So drug related mortality, drug specific damage through all color coded injury, crime, oxi a crime and weed. So that's connected. Is that just people that are high to do things? And but there's like what does that mean? Like did you test them or they high when they committed the crime? Or they just testing positive for marijuana, which stays in your system for weeks?

No, no, no, really. Like do you commit a crime, I guess, to get IT? Or is that is that some crime associated with taking IT?

Oh, so my men, are you doing crimes while you're on IT?

no. Are you robbing A A station to pay for your is addiction. Thirdly, no one is robbing a station .

to pay for their and a lot of criminals take marijuana. It's like, it's funny. I don't know if you could like put that in that that same thing is interesting. Cocaine in tobacco or like neck and neck and then and fat means are below that.

Interesting is below .

tobacco by three points, yes, but cannabis is only below and fatigues by three points.

and emphasized that this is a really high quality, credible study publishing the lander, which is one, one of the top medical journals in the entire world.

Very, very interesting study. We need more that you know I mean, we need to be informed and we need data. And I I firmly believe in personal autonomy.

And I just think again a lot. I just don't think adults should be able tell other adults what to do or not to do if they're informed. If they are educated, they know what you're doing.

You should, will do whatever you want to do, just like you can go bold writing. I don't encourage you to go bold writing, but if you want to go bold writing, you're allowed to go bold writing. So tell me why you go, bill writing. But you can smoke a joint. IT makes zero.

So I I think about this in the context of space exploration, right? Going into space has a one in the one thousand .

nine chance of file space.

No, yeah, yeah.

It's going to be Better.

But one in nineteen, one in nineteen.

Yeah.

yeah, yeah. But but .

does that mean going .

to spit all? Yeah but like .

you think about the Apollo program, Apollo one burn down on the the launch back called the reaction. Ots, did we stop the pollo program? Should we have not gone to the moon? right? And what we have lost in our contemporary society in so many ways is the property to take risk, thoughtful, intelligent, positive risk.

And this has always been something that i've been so deeply passionate about. Is the people who succeed in life, the people who pushed society to a new level, the people who improve themselves, their families and their communities, are willing to take positive risk. Yet our society is so dominated by a safety ism and safety est culture that were increasingly unwilling .

to take any risk. Or also, as we've highlighted, our desire for safety. Not it's not accurate. We're not like really targeting the things that are actually dangerous for us. We're not being honest about IT, but what we know about food and what we know about certain certain substances that people are using and taking in their food, and just what happens when you have a bad diet is what one of the primary factors for .

all cause mortality is a shady diet. Yeah, absolutely one factor diet in IT. You know, I I live in london and just coming here to the united states and just consuming the available food makes me feel IT ill.

What are you? summer? You can eat good here too.

Do you can eat good here?

yes. So it's not that I don't think you blame me on amErica that you came over here in name medals.

Well, the prevalence of sugar in american food, look at a bona in spite the grocery store and whole foods in london verses in in new york. The one in new york is more sugar in IT because .

we wanted to be delicious. Just don't need everyday, man. The idea is, I look, i'm all for all those things existing. I don't like the marketing.

I don't like the marketing for kids like the thing joints me crazy is like a sugar y serials, which when I was a child, we just thought gave you cavities. We didn't know going to fuck up your health. No one knew that sugary serials were actually really bad for you.

But I like them. I don't take them. I don't eat them. But if you know, I don't think you should stop someone from having captain crunch.

No, I don't delicious. I don't we should stop .

anyone just I don't think you should stop someone from .

having steer mou at a restaurant yeah I but I think it's about accurate disclosure yes and informed disclosure like the food py mid but clearly written by special interest yeah right and and guide you know died Harry decisions for americans for fifty years in completely the wrong direction yes.

in too many people to the states, still gospel. And it's really crazy. It's very bizarre how few people actually know how you should really eat and what is actually bad for you. And just the ubiquity of seed oils like sea oils are fucking are razing the fact that that's not something that someone's clamoring to get off the shelves. You know they don't put the brakes on that industry.

Well, you know, my theory of social change is very simple. Change only happens when someone puts suit on and goes to work everyday trying to solve a problem. Until I decided to rent a little off, as in west london, hire a few people and say, you know, were going Normal alias performance enhance from to celebrate performance enhancements. There was no one dedicated full time to doing IT. I doubt that there's anyone dedicated full time in a really professional manner to stop and see dos.

Wow, there's a giant industry that's profiting off phone that would get the way that .

now we would need a business model. I think that's the power of capitalism. We are not doing IT as an activist like we're doing IT because we believe we're gonna build a multiple and dollar sports franchise with enhance games.

But additionally, I think we go to a positively influence society so we would need to find a business model where a team could say by whatever educating of all the doors like people would make mind. That's always the hard thing. Deeply believe, like capitalism and for profit models are the best driver for positive changes. Or neutrally said, they're the best driver for change. Unfortunately, sometimes all the CoOperations did negative change, like we can combat IT with positive change also .

as long as people have access to accurate information. The problem is when capitalism also works to try to subvert accurate information and try to disturb t things in order to increase their profits, which is also a giant issue.

But today, I think that's more difficult to do than ever before, just because of new media, just because people of the internet, they have access to information, as long as any information are being created, which is also problem, it's problem. What is allowed and not allowed to be dirigo ted. And I I think that's why .

the podcasting industries is actually so powerful as compared to consuming written content, which is so easily manipulator and and doesn't have that trust dimension. You know, as I I read the new york times, I don't actually think about the person who wrote the article versus I listen to a podcast and I say, oh, I know joe. I listen to him everyday.

I built an emotional relationship with the presenter. And if they do something to break that trust, i'm not going to tune again right versus the new year. Times they lie on.

they can lie and i'll go, well, what the fuck is going on the world in new ork times sort to tell me yeah with a twist and you .

just come back time and time again yeah and but .

someone you won't come back that's like, I think it's changing.

Are you guys how are you going to deal with transgender athletes?

Great question. I think that the reality is that there are I have not yet um engaged with a trend and athlete who has the potential to break our old record if such a female sport in a female .

and I if there .

is such a person who wishes to compete the enhances games. Please write to me and i'm going to a set up a meeting with every AI you proposed to compete against create a fair and baLanced framework .

but is IT fair and baLanced if you are allowing a biological mail ever to compete with biological females, especially in light of the enhance games proposal of allowing people to take. Performance enhancing drugs because because you'd have to make a very clear definition of like what is a transition athlete, like how long would you have to wait and what are they allowed to take if you're onna limit a biological males ability to take toasters one, or force them to take some sort of an a test host room blocker in order to achieve a certain requirement that kind of goes against the ethics or the ethos of this enhances games in the first.

So I think you actually viewing IT in in the inverse way that I would because the actual question to ask is so and I gave myself so let me use my language very precisely here. But I know that really matters to member the trend gender community. The standard argument is that a um a person born a man who transitions to being a woman, particularly afa poverty, has an instrumental biological advantage over a natural born woman and I accept that argument course yeah and and what has yet to be proved and and is doesn't enhanced women have an ability to compete on a level playing field .

with a biological mail yeah that is also allowed enhance themselves, a biological male that transgender so you're taking a biological mail for a lack of a Better term, lack of being politically correct. And you're allowing them compete with biological women and you allow them them to take performance enhancing drugs, then you're allowing a man to compete against women like full stop yeah that's what IT is done. Why not just say you have to be biologically female to compete? The female division biologic mail to could be the mae division yeah.

So one one version that one of our investors is proposed to us is that we have A X ex on the X, Y category, right? And say, because the reality about gender transition at the moment is still very not even beta stage technology itself. The stage technology doesn't really change anyone on a chroma zonal level.

IT changes people on a surface level. And so let's uh a sign athletes based on crime, zonal status, right? Without having the labels of male and female, which are very precious, some people or man and woman and that language been manipulated by both sides politically. And just say it's actually a scientific question. Are you xx or you X Y.

right? Well, that would work. I mean, you could do that with everything.

Yeah, I think it's like but by one other, I I also think that a good idea, but also like it's interesting. I think the point I I wanted to make earlier is that in all the more than thousand people we had, there was no person identifying as transgender. So I also think that IT might be a little bit to hold headlines blown out of proportion on a very professional level.

Yes, there is. There are some activists on both sides where I think try to make a point almost in sports, but these are not the people who compete on the olympic level. So we also think for us, IT might not even be a big issue.

That's why iron was saying, like, we really welcome a discussion, and that's the great thing of inventing a new sports. We can think about things with a very clean slade without any prejudice in one of the other direction. yeah. So that's why if somebody is really feeling, really is somebody astrand stranger and really is on a level door, they can compete in the enhance game, which is an olympic level. Talk to us and we wanna hear that perspective and we want to sort but like hasn't happened yet yeah and then we are .

thinking about still dealing with the biological mail that you're allowing to enhance themselves so they can perform to the highest level of their ability physically. So if you're taking a biological mee who is transitioning to being a woman, but now you're allowing them to take epo, testosterone, fill in the blanks, I, G, F, one, whatever going to give you, you're not that's a biological male, full stop.

Only thing i'm saying is like how many of those descriptions you just had, our india, really high level olympia community. I ve just thinking it's .

it's much less .

thas does this, Thomas, in a word, record contention. I don't believe .

so well as a woman.

and I don't think as a man, no, as a woman, as a woman.

not a man, not even closes a man, but as a woman, yes. Was the number one of the country. Jammy at one point in time, has one major events.

I don't believe the atomic .

is close to world record .

contention.

okay. But correctly, my wrong color .

is right now I want you .

imagine the atomic as on test dost, one, epo, all sorts of performance ananzi substances.

And this is des.

And then allowing this person to compete as a woman.

yes, but sotos her competition.

yeah, but it's not a biological man. The competitions are biological females. And you would have to change the structure of their body, the hip structure. You would have to change the size their lungs, the size their hard, different cardiovascular capacity. Everything is different.

And especially if you're allowing lead on the whole idea about a transgender athlete competing with biological females is that they're supposed to be it's able to be even because this person is on testosterone um blockers and on estrogen, they've lost all their muscle mass and they basically a woman. This is the argument of the activists use. But the problem with that is the structure of the body's different reaction time is different, lung capacity different, hearts' es is different, there is a giant difference between males to females when IT comes to athletic performance.

And and I think that's why the X, X, X, Y cognizing, yes, makes IT a lot simpler and is a resolution to the issue. But this is where the entire global sports after this is unable to adjust to scientific change. And this is just the beginning, right? So what to talk about things like crisp er gene editing is going to be on the card, right? So think of this from h you know an intellectual mind fog, right there.

There are children who are being born today who are being crisper, edited by their parents. So they IT is a one way street. They can never reverse that.

They never consent IT to this procedure. And they are dairy, enhance ed human beings. And there's no way they can stop theyve never consented to IT should that person be banned from the olympics.

Word's good question yeah I don't think this should but I think that that's gonna the likelihood in the future is that most children, at least in my first real countries.

are going to be edited .

yeah and so then to get .

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take a china that's what that is yeah I mean， when they can do that to fully grown adults, it's gona be very strange yeah .

and then if we think about like where olympic competition goes, where in the rich countries, right, the rich people are enhancing themselves, their children from birth.

The future birth .

yeah yeah and and the ah the transgender is a issue is actually just the the vanguard of this whole trans humanism issue, right? We're eventually we're going to have B, C, I, M plants in our brain, we're going to have gene editing.

We're going to have the most amazing technology, right? And you know if the olympics are stuck in this ancient Green currently an values modality, um then they're not going to adjust to modern technological and social changes. Those who wanna be lake.

that's actually the vision beyond lake. Just what we thinking now about performance and enhancement is like that. We gonna be the continuous sort of role model law that continues showcase, where human enhancement can go over the next twenty years. And we we talking now about performance enhancing medications.

But like maybe in ten years, we're going to have the first people with a chip in their brain, maybe like it's gonna, there is gonna a continuous sort of pushing the boundaries in a good way, where we want to showcase what science can really do positively for humans. But away fund fake because we always references back to the engine solymi s. They did allow performance enhancements very openly. You can go to all the .

agent documents.

So what didn't have a lot at the point, they actually did a lot of stuff, which was pain tumming, so that they could sort of run harder and whatever. Because pain was a big thing they actually believed interesting in eating bull testes. Weird day was weirdly, exactly.

So weirdly there are some documents who mention psychodeviant s which I am not fully sure a wide would be performed on. They mention IT like. So if you go into all these documents like and potions and and IT was a very, very archaic, but like the notion was, do everything is possible to win and and .

actually the trans t gender issue goes back to the ancient olympics.

yeah.

after that well. And so do you know why they competed naked? So you could know you could know yeah ah and so there's a kid so you know a historian told me, verified independently that they never work clothes and then you know a woman pretended to be a man to compete at olympic games and then was found out so then they just made .

IT all make IT and that was was not because SHE thought he could win IT was more like because I was for men and IT was IT was the stories .

IT was revolutionary point voting yeah yeah interesting. Another problem would be when you add testosterone to females, you fundamentally change them. So you don't just change their ability to perform. You change the way their voice sounds, you change that you could make them sterol. IT has when you're adding exogenous test stone to women at a very high level, IT has pretty profound permanent changes .

as adding to and to do right .

sort of but there are still men yeah right. And it's thought of as being a positive thing. I'm sure aware of the eastern block and women in I mean, some of the records still to this day i've been broken and these women were just just to the tits, no on intended because they were trying to win. And so you know, when you there's been some interviews of these women that were forced to do this, these communist countries, and you know they devastated them, they they became inferable. They you know developed all sorts of problems or very insists and all sorts of things that were connected to the use of exogamous testosterone .

at very high levels yeah and and one of which is lack of some proper scientific research to develop compounds that are performance enhances specifically for women.

right but you wouldn't stop them from taking the store .

one right um there is right.

So let's let's talk about combat ports athletes for for example, if you had a female combat sports athlete and you allowed that female to compete with other women, but allow that person to get juice to the hilt and go in there look with and and looking like like vandal self.

And those pictures that, or rather veta belfer those pictures that we saw mean that, you know, then you're saying to these women, in order to compete, you have to stop being a woman. You have essentially transition, which is what happens to transmit when you take a woman and you give them a shit, told a testosterone, they start grown beard, they become transmit, right? That's part of the process is what's happening that's not reversible.

And when do that to women competing with women, those women are gna be more effective. They're to be stronger for in weight lifting competitions can be no comparison. You if you have uh, combat sports, you're going to have much more power, much more speed, more violence. It's just you you're adding you're turning them in the man, essentially turning them in the transmitted and just to compete, it's a little bit different, right? Because we look I mean, maybe it's a society standard. Maybe it's not though if you look at in terms of like when someone looks at like gig a shared know guys look at that guys who like to work like, oh, I like to look like that guy no, very few women look at like a female body builder who's got a five o'clock shadow. And so that's the idea of physic.

But isn't that an individual choice?

That is an individual choice. But all women in the enhance games, we have to make that choice that and to become men.

I I actually think there's also an economic gresh ale here, right? So if you're um an an athlete, particular in the error of N I L rights and in the error name image license, what's happened in the selling your brand right? For an athlete, male or female, their physical and their brand are attached to each other. And so if a female thread says, you know what i'm going to take tones and tones of test SHE may also be compromising her her economic ability to earn um by um not building A A visual brand that is um amenable to to the market.

But even even easier like we forgot to mention one thing at the beginning. So we have actually three and but we still mapping out and of the details, but we have three essential rules. Rule number one, which we said at the beginning, IT has to be F, D, A or any other agency globally approved medications because again, we discussed at length it's all about data, knowing what you take.

What's the rest profit? Second, you have to have a doctor, which we will require to be public. Who is your doctor? Think about a formula one team where you say, who's my chief engineer? So this doctor will have a public pressure to not go too far, because people will know you, a doctor of .

that person in my person points, in order to win, you just have to go a bit further, nobody else. And you have an advantage with third one.

So, but just is still a limitation factor. You need to find a doctor whose publicly your doctor was not hiding in the shadows and who's like, i'm responsible for whatever this athlete is taking. It's just it's just thinking through safety measures or how do we sort of make IT in a way that people are sort of doing rational decisions.

But the third one is important. Anything, by the way, in life which should take too much of his side effects and his bad ones. If you take twenty one cut shots, you gonna be dead, most likely, or thirty. There is a number of alcohol if you take IT to debt. So IT has alcohol as a lethal toxicity at a certain amount.

So what we're gone to do the same is like for many of the things we just discussing is like if you take too much of IT, even if you think you get one point more out of IT, you gonna put damage on your body. There is always for anything for the test to run for human growth. Someones, for anybody, states, well, how we regulated is we're gonna do a full health check, which olympics don't very simply should do IT.

We would inside with our own doctors, that you can cheat. One of the most important thing is an mi of the heart, because, for example, a lot of antibody steroid if you abuse them. So if you take too much to freeze out the last point, you're gonna have a heart damage somewhere, and then you're gonna get this qualified. We will not let any person on the field who has a health damage .

that that's gona be interesting.

So and that is and that is the limiting factor. So if you're a woman and everything you describe to hear you, but I can tell you i'm not a doctor now, I can tell you the exact, if you described me, woman is taking that much to tossed on, that he grows a beer and whatever. She's gonna have damage to her body, in her heart, and she's not going to then, and that is then, they don't do IT because then they would do IT for nothing because they would arrive and would be disqualified.

What are what's the testing involved in the cross fit games?

I believe the cross fit games does not have any .

testing that makes sense because .

seeing some of .

them gals yes yeah, but some of the goals like giant sixth .

and huge shoulders and they yeah .

they it's not possible without IT. All athletes registered in any cross foot games competition are subject to drug testing at any time during the year, but we don't do IT. I have including directed unannounced out of competition testing for any reason across with games drug testing policy aims to prevent you two .

thousand two look asked the question before two thousand two it's twenty two, twenty two thousand .

and twenty two years it's just two years ago yeah um what drugs are banned? Stimulates and abc agencies, bed blockers in competition. Street drugs, diodati peptides, peptides, interesting.

Anti estrogen bid to agonies, interesting. We don't told on permitted with prescription use and theraputics exemption through inhalation tion only OK. So we have .

to talk about T U, is yeah, we need to talk about T, U. OK. So this is the primary abuse that's going on in the olympic system.

Thai uc.

use exemptions. This get all layering in technical four minute here and double checking. Statistics show me about two percent of all people are asthmatic.

No, no, the double digit of all swim as are saying as sorry, sorry, two person real .

two percent of population is isthmus, but double digits may be a third of all swimmer or claim ed to be asthmatic, so that they can use hype heart to horological lors there, an epidemic of asma among swimmer or are they faking asma they're faking as, yeah yeah and and these thread use exemptions are just abuse like, look brightly weakens the british cyclist, I believe, who had a therapy use exemption for asthma and then you know, for ever hit this from even his own .

teammates yeah 嗯 so how do they diagnose asma？

That's a great question. I'm not not of my .

guesses that IT well you've been in real life like the doctor just you have like I think they .

just find a doctor who I think 所以 就 yeah was at least with .

asm required to show proof of airway obstruction with clinical test .

twenty percent low inhaled .

medications， which are otherwise prohibited during competition. Is there anything that they can take to obstruct the airway? What can they just what does that mean? Is that like how you blow on things? I think what did you like?

Fake IT, I think is it's quite easy.

I think what is in generally happening what a lot of our new colleagues as that we hire the chief cardiologist of, uh yeah yeah uh and he said, is like one of the the ways to cheats in the olympics is that they let people do test these kind of stuff in their home country.

Well, also, look, look at how to describe here. A long term study would help distinguish now equals between athletes with asm, who self select to swimming, and those who have ask as a result of exposure to endure training practices. That's interesting.

So like that. The idea is that you could limit your your cardio, ask your system from extreme training intensity of swimmer training long hours. Water may expose swimmer to more chLorine byproducts. Wow, yes, compared to divers or otherwise spend less time breathing also that can cause asma.

So I could also IT could be that swimmer really have more asma because like they are sort of training environment or living is is Fostering IT. But I also could be that days or almost like it's both .

but that is one thing that I did consider because it's like kill Glorias bad for you again. You probably get a bunch of IT in your mouth, you know and if you're yeah and if you're swimming in IT, you're also absorbing IT through your skin like I always think that want to get out of pool like this can be.

you know, it's what came first.

the chicken of the egg, right? right? Well, listen, gentlemen, this is all very, very exciting. And I I love the idea of IT. I love the potential. And I think IT really is gone to change the conversation about what these substances, the substances are, what the benefits of the mr.

And you, you're Frankly exposing the lid on so called amateur athletics and what the real big scheme is with the olympic system is just like I, A giant money grab. And these poor athletes aren't get any of IT, and they're dedicating their entire life hoping they become famous. I meanwhile, you know, nbc makes how much? You know, the bells yeah.

The I O C makes so much. The whole thing is, uh, it's not a good system, and I think your system is far Better. And I really, really hope this works.

I really hope you succeed. When IT comes out, i'll tweet about and i'll tell people I still say tweet. I go. I don't even .

know how to say that.

I think we all say tweet, tweet to I think you are probably but best of luck, i'm really excited. And let me know when when that happens. Come back on again right before that happens.

Little talks more and i'll find like where you went with all these ideas. Like to thank you very much. Thank you. All right. So if anybody wants to, no more where they go, what's the best to .

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beautiful. Or I want an instagram.

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Thank you.