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The rebel commander running Syria

2024/12/20
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Lucy Hockings:本期节目探讨了叙利亚叛军领导人Ahmed al-Sharaa迅速崛起成为叙利亚事实上的领导人这一事件。节目提出了关于Sharaa是否真正改过自新、是否会尊重妇女权利以及他能否实现其目标等关键问题。Sharaa的背景复杂,他曾与极端组织有关联,这引发了人们对其真实意图的质疑。 Jeremy Bowen:Bowen与Sharaa在阿萨德总统府进行了面对面采访,这本身就象征着叙利亚权力格局的巨大变化。他描述了Sharaa的个人魅力和智力,并分析了Sharaa在伊德利卜的统治,认为其高效但铁腕。Bowen还探讨了Sharaa的过去经历,包括他与基地组织和伊斯兰国的关联,以及他最终与这些组织决裂。他分析了Sharaa掌权后叙利亚面临的诸多挑战,包括来自其他武装组织的威胁、民众对正义的渴望以及外国势力的干预。 Ahmed al-Sharaa:Sharaa阐述了他对叙利亚未来治理的三阶段计划:接管政府、举行全国会议和举行选举,并承诺尊重叙利亚不同教派和少数民族的权利。他否认建立哈里发政权或效仿塔利班的意图,并强调叙利亚的治理方式将符合其历史和文化。他还解释了他过去参与极端组织的原因,并强调他与这些组织已经决裂,否认HTS袭击平民,并呼吁取消针对叙利亚的制裁。他认为叙利亚面临的问题远比妇女权利问题更为重要,但他个人希望照片拍摄方式符合他的意愿。 Lucy Hockings:对Sharaa掌权后叙利亚的未来表示担忧,特别是关于妇女权利和社会稳定。她强调国际社会需要密切关注Sharaa及其政府的动向,并指出叙利亚局势的转变对中东地缘政治格局具有重大意义。

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Why did Ahmed al-Sharaa change his name and appearance?

He changed his name from Jolani to Aparna as a symbolic move, shedding his nom de guerre from his jihadist past. He also transitioned from military fatigues to a suit, signaling a shift in his role from a rebel leader to a potential political figure.

What is Ahmed al-Sharaa's stance on women's rights in Syria?

Al-Sharaa emphasizes that women's education will continue, with over 60% of university students in Idlib being women. However, he avoids directly addressing concerns about women being required to wear hijab, deflecting the issue by highlighting larger problems like displacement and economic recovery.

How does Ahmed al-Sharaa justify his past association with jihadist groups?

He claims he was initially drawn to Iraq during a time of widespread sympathy for the Iraqi people and joined al-Qaeda without witnessing sectarian battles. He later severed ties with al-Qaeda and other foreign groups, stating that his association with such groups is a thing of the past.

What challenges does Ahmed al-Sharaa face in unifying Syria?

He faces numerous challenges, including the presence of foreign troops (Turkish, American, Israeli), independent militias, and remnants of ISIS. Additionally, the country's economic collapse, massive destruction, and the desire for justice among Syrians complicate his efforts to unite the nation.

How does Ahmed al-Sharaa plan to address Syria's economic and political challenges?

He argues that international sanctions should be lifted as they were targeted at the old regime, not the current situation. He also plans to hold a national conference to dissolve the old constitution and parliament, forming a consultative council until elections can be held.

What is the international community's stance on Ahmed al-Sharaa's leadership?

The international community is cautious, with many countries still classifying HTS as a terrorist group. However, some states may reconsider their stance if al-Sharaa proves to be a stabilizing force, as the absence of the Assad regime represents a significant geostrategic shift in the Middle East.

What does Ahmed al-Sharaa's leadership in Idlib reveal about his intentions?

During his rule in Idlib, al-Sharaa's group was described as efficient and professional in managing the province, though with an iron fist. They invested in development, built shopping malls, and established a military staff college, suggesting a focus on both governance and military preparedness.

Why does Ahmed al-Sharaa deny being part of groups that targeted civilians?

He claims that while he was associated with jihadist groups, he did not witness or participate in sectarian battles or attacks on civilians. He emphasizes that the vast majority of civilian deaths during the war were caused by the Assad regime, not his group.

What is the significance of Ahmed al-Sharaa's interview in the presidential palace?

Conducting the interview in the presidential palace, where Bashar al-Assad once held court, symbolizes a dramatic shift in power. It signals that al-Sharaa and his group are now the de facto rulers of Syria, replacing the Assad regime.

What is Ahmed al-Sharaa's vision for Syria's future governance?

He envisions a Syria where people have the right to choose their leaders and representatives, with a focus on dialogue and representation for all sects. He denies any intention to establish an Islamist dictatorship or caliphate, emphasizing that governance will align with Syria's history and culture.

Chapters
This chapter explores the dramatic rise of Ahmed al-Sharaa, from his involvement with jihadist groups to his unexpected position as Syria's de facto leader. It examines his past, his leadership in Idlib, and the questions surrounding his potential for reform.
  • Ahmed al-Sharaa's past involvement with jihadist groups, including al-Qaeda.
  • His leadership in Idlib province and its perceived efficiency.
  • Questions surrounding his commitment to reform and respect for human rights.

Shownotes Transcript

The BBC's Jeremy Bowen has been speaking to HTS leader Ahmed al-Sharaa. In just a matter of weeks, he has gone from governing the province of Idlib, to leading a rebel offensive on Damascus, to becoming the defacto leader. After interviewing al-Sharaa at the presidential palace which until recently was the heart of Bashar al-Assad's regime, Jeremy speaks to Lucy Hockings for this episode of The Global Story. So, is he really a reformed radical? Will he respect the rights of women? And even if these are his intentions, is he the man who can make it happen?

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