Best of the Program | Guest: Dallas Jenkins | 11/21/24
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Hey, today's podcast is really, really good. We talk about Lake and Riley and why that feels different when the judge said guilty, guilty, guilty. And we also then go into our Thanksgiving message. As of today, this will be the last podcast from me until after the holiday. And we're going to talk about

And so I wanted to talk to you about why Thanksgiving is so important. And Dallas Jenkins joins us. He's the creative, the creator and the director of The Chosen. But he's got a new movie out called The Best Christmas Pageant Ever. It's great. You don't want to miss a second of today's podcast.

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Yesterday, the judge found Lake and Riley's murderer guilty on all charges. Now listen to this, but I want you to listen to this and notice your reaction to it. Maybe it's just me. I don't know. But listen to this and notice your reaction to it. Go ahead. Count one malice murder. I find the defendant guilty. Count two felony murder. I find the defendant guilty.

Count 3, felony murder, I find the defendant guilty. Count 4, felony murder, I find the defendant guilty. Count 5, kidnapping with bodily injury, I find the defendant guilty. Count 6, aggravated assault with intent to rape, I find the defendant guilty. Count 7, aggravated battery, I find the defendant guilty. Count 8, obstructing or hindering a 911 call, I find the defendant guilty.

Count nine, tampering with evidence. I find the defendant guilty. Count 10, peeping Tom. I find the defendant guilty. What are you feeling? Could just be me. What are you feeling?

Um, what am I feeling by hearing that? I mean, I'm happy that justice is at some level hitting the sky, but more just anger about how unnecessary it all was. You know, the fact that, you know, he got he on a free flight to go to the to Georgia in the first place. Yeah, I know the Biden administration put him on one of those ghost flights in the middle of the night so he could live in Georgia.

And it cost this poor woman her life. And she's just one prominent example. This story has been told way too many times. Here's what I feel. First, emotional because you can hear the parents gasp and cry in the back. And happy for them, sad at the waist. But also, we're not going to take it anymore. Justice is back.

That makes me feel good. All this bull crap of all these poor immigrants that have come in. They're not all bad. This guy was in the Venezuelan gang and so was his brother. And you know how he tried to get off?

He tried to get off saying it was my brother, not me. And his brother was like, no, it wasn't me. It was my brother. It was basically a version of the OJ defense. DNA can't really tell between me and my brother. My brother, yeah, right. And the reason why they had DNA is because it was under her fingernails as she scraped his arms, his face, and his back.

And they had pictures of the claw marks that she left on him. So justice is served. Now, here's the other thing. He's not going to get the death penalty. Maybe life in prison, no chance of parole. But I don't even trust that stuff. He's not going to get the death penalty. Why? Because the prosecutor, which was a Soros prosecutor, said that's not real justice.

Now, they're talking about reversing that. This new prosecutor, because I don't know if you know this, that prosecutor lost, I think, by 17 points. It's over. It's over.

Now, there are some states now that are saying, you know what? This drives me out of my mind. These people are so lacking of any kind of principles. They change with the wind. There are no principles. Just a few, what, a month ago, two months ago, all of the cities changed.

All of the people in the cities from San Francisco to New York were saying, this is going to collapse our city. We can't handle all of these people that have come across the borders. They were sending them to Texas. New York was taking people and sending them from New York to Texas because they just couldn't handle it. Like Texas could. Okay. Okay.

Now they're all, they've all changed overnight now. Oh, we're going to protect these people. How dare the big bad government come in and try to take, we're just going to cuddle these people. It's over gang. It's over. And I hope that the president finds the constitutionally legal way to cut you off from every funding. You want to play that game? Fine. Then your city doesn't get any federal dollars.

You want to do that? That's fine. Because you're costing all of us.

You're costing us money because you're going to ask for a federal bailout. And the other part of that should be you're not getting one. California, you want to play this game? We're not going to pay for it. I love California. I think California is the most beautiful state in the in the union. I've always since a kid, I've always wanted to live in California. The reason why I don't is because they're insane. Right.

They're insane. I don't want to live with the insanity. And I know that I'll be impoverished in the end by it. And so will all of my neighbors. I don't want to live in that. So I don't live in California because you want your California. I live in Texas because I would like to be have California more like Texas, but it's not because

So I live in Texas because I know the state won't impoverish me. I know the state won't take all of my rights away from me. I know they won't coddle criminals. So I live in Texas. Don't you dare come for a handout from me. You made your bed. You pay for it.

And if you want to keep criminals in your state, if you want to coddle those people, that's totally fine with me. But I honestly believe maybe we should check your passports when you come across the border of California or New York. Are you here legally? Because if they leave those states, they should be arrested and deported. And I don't want any of them moving into my city or my state. But they're going to eventually...

And your people eventually are going to move to my state and they're going to vote for the same damn things because they're too stupid to understand what caused their state to become like that. I got to get to Florida. Why are there no progressives we can vote for? Because you haven't wrecked it yet.

I think, too, and I know you say this, you know, you want to deal with these people fine. In reality, of course, I know... We have to. It is a federal issue. I mean, this was the left that prevented states like Arizona from implementing and enforcing immigration law because this has to be done at the federal level. Well, hopefully Trump's about to show you what that looks like. Yep. And it should be done at the federal level. So he will...

I think overrule and overrun some of these people who are trying to avoid the law in their local jurisdictions. And he should do that. You know, Glenn, one of the most frustrating things about the Lake and Riley thing is we talk about the borders being open, people flowing over all the time. And that is awful. And obviously the border at times can be difficult to protect completely. People are going to get across it at some level.

But we caught this guy. This isn't an example of a guy sneaking across the border. We caught him and then released him into the country. He got arrested multiple more times while he was here. We still gave him a free flight. We still put him up in the Roosevelt Hotel with free lodging. And then we sent him to Georgia with a free flight. He got arrested there with his brother.

We still kept releasing him. And then after all of that, he murdered this poor woman. It's not even a case where like, okay, this is difficult. I get that. That can happen. This one's not. This is not what that is. No, this one's not. And it happens over and over and over again. And God, if we could just stop some of those.

Yeah. Talking about standing up, maybe we could at least stop some of those. We are going to. We are going to. That's what we voted for. We voted for an end of all of this. By the way, have you heard that the DOJ has just put a paper shredder truck outside of the FBI office?

I swear to you, if they shred anything that we need and they're like, we lost it, we shredded it, we don't know what happened to it. Put them in jail. Don't fire them. Put them in jail. It is time that we say to this government, enough is enough. We're going to live by the laws of the land. And that includes all of this red tape bull crap. All of it.

You want that law? Pass it through Congress. Not through some bureaucrat that we don't even know who they are. We never voted for them. Why do they rule over our life? By the way, the House Ethics Committee has decided not to release the Gates investigation. Okay, at least temporarily. They're not sure because it's not finished. Now, the DOJ finished it over two years ago. Okay, so

This has got to stop. I don't know if Matt Gaetz is guilty or innocent of what they accuse him of. I have no idea. But just like Brett Kavanaugh, this smearing of people has got to stop. If he's guilty, charge him, make sure he has a fair trial, and let the chips fall where they may.

But they won't charge. They're not charging because they know that the people who are including the women, they know that they are not trustworthy. The DOJ, this is the biggest opponent of the DOJ. He's got real teeth on the DOJ. So all of a sudden, the DOJ finds these accusations. Okay, all right. Maybe he did them.

then investigate. And if you don't have enough to charge him, then you shut your mouth. Now you might continue to investigate, but you shut your mouth. When you have enough to charge, then charge. We're not a country that should allow for another day the smearing of individuals based on stuff that is not chargeable.

They've made this guy practically into a pedophile. Where do you go to get your reputation back? Because if they can do it to him, they'll do it to you. Now, he may not be, I don't think he is a saint. I think he's a long way away from a saint. But I don't know who to believe. That's for a jury to decide. But once somebody is charged, not investigated, charged,

If this, the Democrats or some of the sleazy Republicans decide to release this, all of those people should either be impeached or we should primary them because this kind of stuff has got to stop. Does it mean we let some bad guys get away? Yes. But wouldn't you rather have one bad guy get away than one good person gets smeared and their life destroyed?

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Dallas Jenkins joins us. Hello, Dallas. How are you? Good. I'm actually wanting to write down what you were just talking about. I'm like, this sounds great. I'm telling you, every school should have these things. Yes. We were, you know, nobody wants to arm teachers. If you put your hand around the corner outside the door and somebody's in the hallway, yes, kids will be hit with tear gas, but nobody will die. Yeah. And the police can take that guy down. It's crazy.

It's crazy. No, I know. It sounds amazing. I'm literally going, I'm going to get this for my home. Yeah, yeah. They're great. How are you? I'm good. Here's the thing. I'm looking at you and you're a handsome guy, but behind you is this big picture where you look phenomenal. And it's like, it's not good for you to put it right behind you because then I'm like, wow, wait a second. There's a difference.

Like, you know, again, you look good in person, too. That's me happy. But that's you happy and rugged and handsome. Yeah, right. I'm like, wait a minute. There's a disconnect. So tell me the story of the film Best Christmas Pageant Ever. I have to admit to you, I have not seen it.

I've had others who have seen it and just rave about it. I've seen the trailer. This is before you ever sent me anything or, you know, what's going to become, I didn't know who it was. And I watched the trailer and I'm like, this looks fantastic. It looks heartwarming and funny and all of it. And it's true. And I really think, you and I have talked before, this is your kind of movie. I really think you'd love it. I read this book almost 20 years ago to my kids. My wife brought it home.

And the first couple chapters, I'm reading it. Now, this book's been around for 50 years. I read it in public school, which is why I was so surprised by what happened when I read it again to my kids. First few chapters, I'm laughing. It's very witty, very nostalgic, just a terrific story. And I get to the last chapter, and I'm going, I didn't remember how Jesus-y this was. Like, I don't know how we got away with reading this in public school. I think it's because of the Christmas of it all.

But I get to the last chapter. You grew up in Oklahoma? Yeah, no. Illinois. Oh, wow. Yeah, a little different. Yeah, okay. But anyway, the first – the story is the six Herdman kids, the worst kids in the world, the ones that everyone is looking down on. And this is – I just want to re-emphasize. No, no, it's not a true story. It's not true? No, no. Okay, okay. Somebody told me it was a true story. No, no, no. Okay. That's the chosen. Okay. That's a true story. But –

This, she captured, it feels very real. It's very nostalgic. You remember the movie A Christmas Story? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very much that feel to it. But in this case...

These six kids, they're on the wrong side of the tracks. They're in poverty. They're mean. They're feral. And this church and this town don't want them around, and they hijack the town's Christmas pageant. And they take over the roles. They bully the other kids into saying, we're going to play these roles of Mary and Joseph. So, of course, everyone's scandalized and thinks it's going to be the worst Christmas pageant ever. Because they're so un-Christ-like. Right. Yeah.

And so much like Mary and Joseph, like you can't have this awful girl playing the mother Mary. Mother Mary is beautiful and sweet and pretty and always looks clean. So they get to the performance of the pageant and I don't want to give anything away. Of course it is called the best Christmas pageant ever. But we get to that last chapter. I start crying so hard. I can't see the pages.

My kids are looking at me like what is going on and my wife Amanda goes on give me the book. Let me read it. She starts reading. She starts crying. We're passing the book back and forth to each other while the other one recovers. The story is just so beautiful because it's because of these kids poverty because of their outsider status. They're actually closer to the heart of the true story.

than anyone else's. And so it ends up transforming this town and the town, of course. So everyone is learning something new because these kids have never heard the story before. So they're asking all these questions. Well, that's a better ending than I thought. I thought it was that

They the the people that were helping the kids actually kind of changed the kids to have those kids. Right. Transform the right. It's fantastic. That's the thing. The church learns from these outsiders because we've we've taken for granted the Christmas story and the Christmas pageants.

And we think of the sweet little nativity and the halo around everyone's head. And these kids are going, wait a minute, why wouldn't they let a pregnant woman into the inn? And they're asking all these questions that we take for granted. And so their perspective on the story is just closer to the truth of it because of their unique perspective and outsider status. And so it just was so beautiful. And there's a very common, a connective thread between that and The Chosen. My passion has always been

And we've talked about this before. I'm like, I'm taking Jesus and the apostles down from stained glass windows, down from the pretty paintings that we've seen and trying to give you the most accurate,

direct portrayal of the humanity of these people and their true story. And that's what really stood out to me about The Best Christmas Pageant Ever. Now, it's funny, it's witty, it's a traditional Christmas classic, but it's got this, it's probably the only of the movies that I would consider to be Christmas classics, and hopefully this becomes one of them.

That really does put a spotlight on the true story of Jesus, but in a fun way. It's amazing to me how snotty Christians can get. And maybe it's because they either didn't have that kind of experience or didn't need the redemption of Christ as much as others do. But

You know, Christ came for the ones that needed redemption. We all need it, but needed the redemption really badly. He was always around those kinds of kids. Yeah, he's saying, I came for the sick, not for the healthy. Right. And there's a line in the trailer and in the movie where the mom who's volunteering to do this pageant, everyone in the church is telling her, no, just get rid of the herdman's. We need to protect our sacred Christmas pageant.

And at one point her daughter says, shouldn't we just get rid of him? You know? And she says, I think that would contradict the whole point of the story. Right. And she says, the point of the story is that Jesus came for the herdman's as much as he came for you and me. He was, everybody in that story was rejected and despised. Yes. And there's also a moment where the herdman's walk out on stage and they are, they're wearing the clothes they cobbled together at home and

to portray Mary and Joseph instead of the pretty costumes that were given to them by the church, right? And one of the girls in the choir who's against them goes, look at them. They look like refugees. And the main character's looking at them. She goes, yeah, they do.

And she's smiling going, this is what Mary and Joseph were. They were refugees. They were outsiders. So it's those kinds of moments that unlike, again, some of these other Christmas classics that I love, you know, Elf and Christmas Story and some of these Home Alone, they're all great. But this is a movie that has all those elements of humor and whatnot. But then there's these moments where you go, oh my goodness, that is the true story. And I think to your point about Christians and those of us, especially here in America,

I think sometimes we...

it's not that we need redemption less, if anything, we need it more, but it's our awareness of our need, which sometimes goes away when you are living comfortably. Comfort can oftentimes cause you to take for granted what, who came for us, not comfortable. Jesus was born into a stable, into a rough environment, on the run, hiding, outsiders, refugee, all that stuff. He came as a suffering servant, not as a conquering king. And we sometimes forget that. Yeah.

And it's remarkable to me the best Christians – I put a few people like Billy Graham into other categories, but the best Christians that I have met, regular people, are those people usually from the Middle East or from China. Oh, yeah. The ones who are just like – oh, they –

have to know God because it's literally all that gets them through their day. Oh yeah. I've, I've a friend who's the, who runs this ministry called world relief. And he said, the church in Iran is cool, man. He's like, they just, he's like, they're like, we just had another great bombing. And they're like, what? Like,

we had a bombing of one of our churches. We've never been closer to God. We've never been more desperate for him. We've never. And I'm like, man, I, I, I, I hope, I wish I could reach that level of passion and desperation without needing to be in a press. I went to Iraq years ago, uh, and we were rescuing the cities and I was supposed to come pick them up and then we're going to take them to some other country in Europe. And, uh,

So when I get on the plane in New York, I'm told you may not be able to go see them because ISIS has just targeted the church at the time you're supposed to arrive and they're having a final service.

And so I'm on the plane wondering, I mean, what am I going to do when we get there? And I get there and they say, I said, so where are we meeting? And they're like, oh, at the church. And I said, did ISIS? And they said, no, they're not changing their plans. And I said, okay. And then halfway through church,

Russia said that they were going to start bombing that city. And I'm laughing just because it's like, this is not something we think about in America. Right. And I'm like, should we all maybe, is there a shelter around here? They just kept singing and praying. And they said to me,

if we die, we're with God right now. We're fine. This is great. It was amazing to see. Very humbling. And, and so that's, that's the kind of thing I'm hoping, not only that it reaches me, but the viewer, when I do the chosen, when I do movie like best Christmas pageant ever, it's,

can we somehow remove these, sometimes it's religion, sometimes it's our sin, sometimes it's our art that gets us further away from that, what actually happened and from that desperation and from that authenticity. And so, yes, in this case, it's wrapped in a fun PG rated Christmas movie, but it's all the same intention of, man, I'd love to get that level of direct connection, so connected to Jesus.

that everything around you is irrelevant. And this is so important this Christmas. I mean, I've been fighting Santa, and not in a bad... I didn't want to be that bad dad that's like, well, it's Santa, Santa. You know, I had fun as a kid with Santa, but I...

It was a different culture. The culture said Christmas was about Jesus, not Santa. And Santa was just the fun part. And it is so important. And this is a fun way to bring your kids to the true story of Christmas. It's called the best Christmas pageant ever. It's in theaters now. Are you going to release it?

uh, on video on demand before Christmas or not? Just close to, close to around Christmas. Yeah. Okay. But I do hope that people go see it in theaters now. We want it to last in theaters as long as possible, but yes, eventually, uh, before, shortly before Christmas, it'll be available at home as well. I will tell you that the, um,

It speaks a lot. I think this came out November 5th? 8th, yeah. Right after the election. Yeah, and it is doing really well this early in the season. The New York Times liked it, Glenn. It's got a 91% on Rotten Tomatoes. I know, there's a glitch in the matrix. But there seems to be this reaction of like, wow, this movie does take me to where Christmas should be about and it's been a really...

really cool, really cool experience to see the reaction. So we're with Dallas Jenkins, a creator director of the chosen and the new movie must see the best Christmas pageant ever. See it this week in theaters. It will be great to kick off the holiday and kind of also remind us, Hey, God just played a big role in our lives here recently. We saw some miracles. Let's thank him. Let's thank him for that.

So, Stu, how old were you in 1985?

I was nine. You were nine. So you were probably just, you remember Reagan clearly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, back, back to the future. One of my all time favorite movies came out in 1980, November 5th, 1980, right. 1955, 1985. Right. That was the year that it was, that it took place. Okay. So I remember that distinctly. And do you have real memories of the cold war?

Yeah, for sure. I mean, of course, Rocky IV, the movie that ended the Cold War. Outside of movies. I mean, that's how you... You can accept those timelines in your life, right? So there was a guy that I don't know if you would have remembered. He was a comedian, and he came from around the Iron Curtain. And he and his family got out of the former Soviet Union. He became a huge hit at the time because we really didn't see former Soviet citizens. Right.

and especially ones that could tell jokes. And his name was Yakov Smirnoff. Oh, yeah. You remember him? Oh, yeah. I just saw something from him the other day about Thanksgiving. And I haven't seen this. I don't know if I even saw it in 1985, but it's worth listening to. Here he is, Yakov Smirnoff, just fresh from the Soviet Union.

talking about Thanksgiving. Listen to this. It's Thanksgiving, and I'll tell you, it's my favorite holiday. I like parades without missiles. When I first was explained about Thanksgiving in America, I said, wait a minute, it doesn't make sense. I mean, for every freedom and all the opportunities that you got here, the only thing you got to say is thanks? It just didn't seem like it was enough. My parents and I had our first Thanksgiving dinner in a little apartment in New York.

And we joined hands, and my father said a prayer to good food and our health. And then something happened. Instead of releasing our hands, we couldn't let go. We kept holding on to each other tighter and tighter, and we realized we were together and we were free, really free. And here we were, three grown people, looking for a way we could possibly show our appreciation, and we couldn't. Now I know what it is. It's thanks. Good night. If you're watching it,

you can see that he tears up at the end. There's no words to express thanks. And we have lost that, the deep, deep gratitude for our lives. I have felt it over the last year, unlike I've ever felt gratitude for my freedom, my safety, my family's safety. Being born here,

And now, especially after the election, you know, God, miracles can happen in your life all the time. Just, quote, chance encounters. Is it a chance encounter or is that an answer to a prayer? Is that divine providence? Miracles come when there's really no other explanation, when something that just happened

You all have agreed that just can't happen. Happens. Donald Trump getting shot at so close that the camera picks the bullet up, speeding toward his head. And just before it goes into his head, he moves his head in a way he never does before. And it clips his ear instead of going right into the temple. That doesn't happen. That doesn't happen.

To have a politician or a guy who is constantly beat on, constantly smeared, had more investigations done on him than I, and I believe this to be true. I'd love to see an actual study on this. Somebody who had more investigations, more spies on him, more, you know, going through the trash and everything else,

More than anyone else in human history by far because every spy agency in the world did that. And then they went back and said there's got to be something else. For him to just continue to stand and then when somebody tries to kill him, his first response is stand up. And then for him not to be angry but instead to be humbled, what are the odds there?

for him to continue to go on and, in fact, continue to stand. Do you know his plane was targeted? His plane was targeted. We know that there are surface-to-air missiles. We know that he was going to be targeted by foreign entities that are here. For him to get on, just get on his plane every time, the man knew he was risking his life.

For him to run the campaign that he ran in the last eight months, you remember what it was like? It was all, you know, they're after me and all of this stuff because they were after him. But did you notice after the assassination attempt when he could have said, ah, instead he had a much more uniting message and a happier message and a positive message. And then for all of these people to come out of the woodwork and

and start to say, you know what? This is evil. I heard more talk from people who are not Christians, more talk from people going, there is something seriously wrong, and I think it's evil what's going on. America woke up. I've been doing this for 50 years on the radio, almost 50 years. I've been doing this, warning people for 24 years.

I didn't think you'd wake up. Stu's brought it up. You know, our theme is, you know, stand up. We wrote that theme four years ago because if you don't stand up, we're done. And we put that on. And I tried to make that an encouraging thing to convince people. You got to stand up right now. We're going to lose everything. You got to stand up. It's OK to stand up. It's the only way you stood up.

After 24 years of the same message coming from me in different ways, where I had lost hope. I mean, I said to you all last year, we got to find God. We got to be people where God thinks, you know what? They're worth saving. I said to you over and over again, I can come up with a million ways this is going to go wrong, but there's only one path left.

for it to succeed, and that is God. And he showed up. He showed up. He's not done with us. He should be. Honestly, he should be. With everything that we do, for as big as a miracle that is, I think a lot of people, I mean, I heard it right after the election. Wow, that was a miracle. And people meant it as a literal miracle. That was a miracle. Yeah, it was.

Next week, will we even remember it by next Thursday? Or will we make the holiday that was built to humble ourselves and to thank God for our blessings? Will we even remember the massive miracle? Stu, would you agree one of the biggest miracles you've seen in your life for America? I mean, that was a miracle that that happened.

In the way that it did. All of a sudden, the messaging was right. All of the right things fell into place. You know, for the first time ever, the GOP was serious on their ground game. I mean, all of these things that happened. I thought you were just referring to him turning his head. Yeah. And that all of that from that moment on, all of that was a miracle. Let's not forget that next week. He's not he's not done with us.

You know, I heard somebody say to me on election day, I feel really good. I feel really good. I'm cautious, but I feel really good. And here's why. Why would he, recognizing the miracle of the assassination attempt, why would he save Donald Trump only to not save it now? I couldn't think of a reason other than I don't understand the mind of God. Think of this miracle. If Donald Trump would have won in 2020,

It would have been more of the first term. We wouldn't get what we're about to get now. We wouldn't get the reduction of the government. We wouldn't get possibly the closing down of some agencies, of cutting these agencies in half. We wouldn't have gotten those things. We wouldn't have had Elon Musk. We wouldn't have had Vivek Ramaswamy.

We wouldn't have known. Remember, they didn't start cutting our children until the Biden administration. None of us had any idea about all this transgender stuff because that and DEI, if you brought it up, it wasn't being done at least as openly, but it was all set to go.

It wasn't being done until Biden got in. And then when we said, what the hell is all this? They said it was a conspiracy theory. And it took us three years to go. No, it's not. It's not a conspiracy theory. And it's deadly. It took us three years before the doctors even started to turn. It took COVID to wake people up.

There is no bad. My father used to say this to me, Glenn, there is no bad. It's what do you do with the bad things that happen to you? You can either wallow in and say, oh, that was bad, or you could recognize that sucked, but what did I learn from it? What did I take? How can I take that and turn that into a blessing? COVID was a blessing in the end because it woke people up.

Tomorrow I have some surgery. Then I go on vacation. It's not a big surgery. It's just I have facial surgery again because I guess I'm out of room on my face for more cancer. So they got to take some cancer off my face so I can grow new cancer. I don't know. This never ends. But this is my last chance to talk to you before Thanksgiving. And this is my last chance before Thanksgiving to sincerely thank the Lord for showing up.

for sincerely blessing our country, for showing me a miracle to you.

One that I saw in North Carolina where people were standing because God told them, come from across the country. I know you don't know anybody. I know you don't think you're going to be able to make a difference, but just go. And they got in their cars and they drove across the country and those people were put to work in ways that I couldn't have served. Maybe you couldn't have served, but they actually did it.

And God worked a miracle. And then he worked this. Please, even if it is just holding the hands around the table, just for an extra minute, there is nothing that we can say to him more meaningful than just thank you. Thank you, Lord, for an incredible experience. Thank you for letting us live at this time together.

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