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The future of climate projection

2024/11/8
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Aditi Sheshadri: 气候预测与天气预报虽然都基于相似的科学原理,但它们是截然不同的学科。气候预测关注的是未来几十年甚至上百年,而天气预报关注的是未来几天。气候预测关注的是气候变化的统计数据,例如未来几十年平均温度或降雨量的变化,而不是具体某一天的天气情况。"混沌窗口"指的是初始条件的微小差异会导致气候模型在长时间运行后产生巨大的差异。目前最先进的气候模型的网格单元大小约为100x100公里,这限制了模型能够捕捉到的细节程度。气候模型的网格大小受限于计算能力。气候模型中需要考虑的参数包括密度、温度、风速(三个方向)、气压、水汽含量和云量等。海洋在气候模型中扮演着重要角色,但其与大气层的耦合会显著增加计算复杂度。大气重力波在气候系统中扮演着重要角色,它们的影响范围从局部到全球尺度。大气重力波对喷流的动量收支有显著贡献,进而影响天气模式。 Russ Altman: 对Aditi Sheshadri的访谈内容进行了总结和提炼,并就气候模型的应用、数据来源、以及气候工程等方面提出了问题。

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What is the difference between climate projection and weather forecasting?

Climate projection and weather forecasting use the same equations but differ in their approach. Weather forecasting relies on data assimilation and aims for accuracy over a 10-14 day period, while climate projection is free-running, focusing on long-term statistics over hundreds of years, such as average temperatures or extreme weather events.

What is the 'window of chaos' in climate modeling?

The 'window of chaos' refers to the phenomenon where tiny differences in initial conditions, like rounding errors, cause models to diverge significantly over time. In atmospheric models, these errors double every 5-6 days, making accurate predictions beyond 10-14 days nearly impossible.

What is the typical size of the grid boxes used in climate models?

Climate models typically use grid boxes of about 100 by 100 kilometers. These large scales are necessary due to computational constraints, though finer resolutions would be ideal for capturing smaller-scale processes like local wind patterns.

Why is the time step in climate models set to 30 minutes?

The 30-minute time step is a balance between computational feasibility and numerical stability. Shorter time steps would be more accurate but computationally expensive, while longer steps could cause the model to become unstable and produce inaccurate results.

What parameters are measured in each grid box of a climate model?

Key parameters include density, temperature, pressure, wind speeds in three directions (U, V, W), water vapor content, and cloud fraction. These variables are essential for modeling atmospheric dynamics and energy conservation.

How are oceans represented in climate models?

Oceans are often represented using a 'mixed layer' model, which simulates the top 50-100 meters, or by specifying sea surface temperatures. Fully coupling the deep ocean to the atmosphere is computationally expensive and typically not done for long-term climate projections.

What role do atmospheric gravity waves play in climate modeling?

Atmospheric gravity waves are generated by various atmospheric processes and propagate across large distances. They contribute significantly to the momentum budget of the jet stream and can influence weather patterns, such as the polar vortex and storm tracks.

What is the current research on the polar vortex and tropical cyclones?

Research on the polar vortex focuses on its breakup events, which can shift weather patterns and lead to extreme winter conditions. For tropical cyclones, studies are exploring the relationship between the Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ) and cyclone frequency, suggesting that a more northern ITCZ leads to more cyclones.

How are new data sources, like Google's high-altitude balloons, impacting climate research?

Google's balloon project, originally intended for internet access, has provided free, global-scale atmospheric data. This data is being used to study atmospheric gravity waves and other sub-grid scale processes, offering new insights into atmospheric dynamics without the high cost of traditional balloon campaigns.

What are the challenges of geoengineering in climate models?

Geoengineering, such as injecting sulfate aerosols into the stratosphere, requires extensive modeling to understand potential side effects. The atmosphere's multiscale and non-local nature means that interventions could have unforeseen consequences elsewhere, necessitating careful simulation before any real-world implementation.

Shownotes Transcript

Climate modeler Aditi Sheshadri) says that while weather forecasting and climate projection are based on similar science, they are very different disciplines. Forecasting is about looking at next week, while projection is about looking at the next century. Sheshadri tells host Russ Altman) how new data and techniques, like low-cost high-altitude balloons and AI, are reshaping the future of climate projection on this episode of Stanford Engineering’s The Future of Everything podcast.

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(00:00:00) Introduction

Russ Altman introduces guest Aditi Sheshadri, a professor of Earth systems science at Stanford University.

(00:02:58) Climate Projection vs. Weather Forecasting

The differences between climate projection and weather forecasting.

(00:04:58) The Window of Chaos

The concept of the "window of chaos" in climate modeling.

(00:06:11) Scale of Climate Models

The limitations and scale of climate model boxes.

(00:08:19) Computational Constraints

Computational limitations on grid size and time steps in climate modeling.

(00:10:56) Parameters in Climate Modeling

Essential parameters measured, such as density, temperature, and water vapor.

(00:12:18) Oceans in Climate Models

The role of oceans in climate modeling and their integration into projections.

(00:14:35) Atmospheric Gravity Waves

Atmospheric gravity waves and their impact on weather patterns.

(00:18:51) Polar Vortex and Cyclones

Research on the polar vortex and on tropical cyclone frequency.

(00:21:53) Climate Research and Public Awareness

Communicating climate model findings to relevant audiences.

(00:23:33) New Data Sources

How unexpected data from a Google project aids climate research,

(00:25:09) Geoengineering Considerations

Geoengineering and the need for thorough modeling before intervention.

(00:28:19) Conclusion

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