Incoming Border Czar Talks Deportation
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Wednesday, November 20th, 2024. I'm Jessica Rosenthal. It's much bigger than deporting criminal illegal aliens. The incoming border czar says exploited children, fentanyl, and future border and work policy will all be part of a huge undertaking. We've got to save these kids. That's the third rail. We've got first rail, secure the border. Second rail, deportation operation. Third rail, find these kids. We speak with the former head of ICE, Tom Homan. I'm Dave Anthony.

The war in Ukraine is at the 1,000-day mark. And the U.S. is even more involved, allowing Ukraine to use long-range American missiles for the first time, prompting Russia's president to again threaten to go nuclear. But how real is that threat? The Russian military is not trained

on how to deal with nuclear weapons on the battlefield because they obviously would be affected by the radiation. They don't have the equipment for it. I can't imagine any of Putin's generals recommending the use of a type of nuclear weapon. And I'm Joe Conscia. I've got the final word on the Fox News Rundown. ♪

When it comes to immigration and the border, the talk so far with a second Trump administration has been about deportations, especially of criminals. But there are questions about deportation policy. Boston Mayor Michelle Wu told WCBV this week how they will handle immigration policy during a second Trump administration. What we can do is make sure that we are

Other city officials, like the mayor of Newport Beach, California, Will O'Neill, is begging for tougher border policy.

As he told Fox's Harris Faulkner, boats carrying undocumented migrants unload on the shores of his city. This policy is insane. When you have Uzbeki nationals coming in from the southern border on a boat and we're not vetting them on purpose, that's crazy. There are also huge concerns about unaccompanied minor children. It's not clear where hundreds of thousands of them are inside the U.S.,

as reaching out to their sponsors doesn't always result in reaching them. Earlier this year, the Homeland Security Inspector General determined 32,000 minors hadn't shown up for court hearings, and another 291,000 were never even given notices to appear. Retired Deputy Patrol Agent in Charge J.J. Carroll, who's made a documentary about cross-border child trafficking, told a House Homeland Security Subcommittee hearing Tuesday, I state without reservation that the United States federal government

is the world's largest child sex trafficking organization in modern history. The probability that thousands of these UACs are being raped at this very moment is 100%. Now, toward the tail end of the U.S. presidential campaign, former President Trump and then candidate Trump said this about the issues in this election. I really believe that the border and the illegal immigration and

21 million people, many of them criminals, is a bigger thing than inflation. I baby roll. So now that he's president-elect, the question is logistics. How will handling deportations, missing children, and future border policy all work? The removal of criminal aliens, those illegal in the United States that's been convicted of a crime,

Those removals under Biden administration have decreased 72 percent from President Trump. Tom Homan will be President Trump's new border czar. He was Trump's former head of ICE, Immigration Customs Enforcement. Look, my source is ICE. It's saying this administration don't want to enforce immigration law. I understand many of them were detailed on the southern border. That took a lot of manpower away because of the open border. But Secretary of the Mayor was, you know, his his.

His guidance to ice troops are basically, you know, even if it's a criminal alien, you got to consider all these other factors before you can actually arrest them and deport them. I mean, it's a whole, you know,

Does he have a family member of the U.S. military? Does he own a home? Does he have a job? Is he a member of church? They're asking all these questions to, again, re-adjudicate what the officer should be doing. There's nothing in the Immigration Nationality Act, the law that ICE officers enforce,

If they're in violation here and they're here illegally and federal, they should be able to arrest them. No questions asked. But this administration has tied ISIS hands. And one other thing is the explosion of sanctuary cities. You know, jails are target-rich environments for criminal aliens. But, you know, our biggest cities in this nation

Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, and I go on and on. Our sanctuary cities where ICE officers are no longer allowed to not only not walk into the jail, they won't honor their detainers when they do file. And we have – it came out during the campaign, right? There were –

Over 400,000 people here who've committed crimes, including 13,000 who've committed homicides. These are people who are on something called the non-detained docket. Is that what you're talking about? They haven't been deported because even though they might have a criminal record, they have some other mitigating factor that ICE has deemed allows them to stay? Most of the time it means two things. A non-detained docket means...

They're going through some sort of immigration proceedings, but they're not being detained during that proceeding. And this administration has done that on purpose. They're releasing many increasing ATD alternatives to detention for one sole reason. If

If you're in detention, if you're in the ice bed while you're going through immigration proceedings, you get a hearing within 40 days. So within 40 days, you're going to get a decision. And as we know, nine out of 10 people who cross the border illegally claim an asylum end up with an order of removal. But the administration knows this, too. They know. But if you release them, put them on the 90-10 docket, their hearing could be five, seven, nine years out. Oh. And in five, seven, nine years out,

They'll have one or two U.S. citizen kids. They'll build equities, maybe get a home. Then hopefully during that time, hopefully they're a Democratic president. They may be able to get amnesty. What they're doing is putting them on an unattainable docket and giving them all these other chances to stay. Okay. I was a little confused how this all worked. Thank you for that. Speaking of logistics, we keep talking about

deportations, mass deportations. I know everybody's asking everybody, well, what does that entail? Speaker Johnson said this past weekend he didn't know exactly what that will entail, but he said he can assume that we're starting with the criminals. Are you, as the borders are, because you're no longer just in charge of ICE, right? Are you going to be coordinating with like Kristi Noem if she's confirmed as DHS secretary? Are you guys already talking at this point about logistics in terms of deportations?

Me and Kristi Noem have talked numerous times. We'll be talking again this week. I'm actually going to Florida. We'll be sitting down this week. So, yeah, I mean, I'm working very closely. I'll be on the way also. As boarders, I'll have a direct report to the president. But me and Kristi Noem will be attached at the hip on this. I'll coordinate with her on not only border security, but the interior removal, deportation operation. Also, creating a task force

Wait, talk to me about this more because the Office of Refugee Resettlement

That's their role. That's under HHS. That's under Health and Human Services, right? They handle unaccompanied minors. And we heard last summer at a hearing the head of ORR said, well, they're not missing. We tried to call and reach them, but we couldn't reach them. That doesn't necessarily mean they're missing. You say what to that. They can't contact. And that tells me one thing.

Either they don't want to be found or they can't be found. Bottom line is it's common knowledge that a lot of these children end up in sex trafficking and for

forced labor. ICE, HSI has already found many in forced labor, working on chicken farms, working in meat packing plants, working in factories making cereal. I mean, ICE has already found a lot of these children in worksite enforcement. So they can continue kicking the can down the road, but under the Trump administration, we're going to find these children and make it right. The first thing to do is get these children out of terrible conditions, get them with their families, and get them to do what their immigration status says.

Is the plan, because we spoke to former Interior Secretary Montana Congressman Ryan Zinke this week.

He says law enforcement in his state would cooperate with efforts to deport people, find people, but that they know who the bad guys are versus the ones who maybe aren't doing anything wrong. Maybe they're just working here and they're undocumented. I know you've been asked this ad nauseum, but is it going to be, OK, criminals are a priority for deportation and we're going to leave everyone else kind of alone? Or is it just going to be about priority? Absolutely.

How is this going to work? If you're in the country illegally, you've got a problem.

Right? But we're going to prioritize what we do. Our priority out of the gates will be public safety threats and national security threats. We also have over a million illegal aliens in this country who had due process at great taxpayer expense, and the federal judge ordered them removed. They didn't leave. They became fugitives. They're also on the priority list. Then we'll deal with the others as we come across. But here's the problem, and here's why I keep pushing the people. People think, okay, well, no, they're not criminals, so they should be able to stay. Absolutely not, because here's the issue.

You've got a massive, historic immigration crisis on the border. And you've got millions of people crossing this border. Now, they demand the right to see a judge. They demand the right to claim due process. They have that right. We give that right at great taxpayer expense. However, at the end of that whole due process, if an immigration judge says, no, I'm not providing you relief, you must depart. Here's your order of deportation. If we don't execute those orders,

If that order doesn't mean anything, we let them stay, then what the hell are we doing? Just shut down the immigration court because it doesn't mean anything anymore. Immigration orders don't mean anything. Take the border patrol off the border because there's no consequence to enter this country. We'll give people the right to make their claims. We'll give them due process at taxpayer expense. But at the end, we've got to enforce the law. If the people don't like the law, then Congress needs to change it. But until then, we're going to enforce the law.

You have a bigger task, again, I've referenced this before, than you used to as border czar. Once you deal with deportation and the logistics around all of this, I imagine you're going to be expected to sort of talk to Congress and talk about the future of immigration law in this country. Exactly right. And I've talked to Congress numerous times in my years of serving Congress.

as a director of rights and other positions. But look, there's three things they could do to solve a lot of the border crisis, right? They can change the asylum rules. When you get that first interview at the border, if they fix everything, fix the asylum rule also, fix the TVPRA, Trafficking Investment Protection Act, treat children from other countries the same way you treat children from Mexico.

When you cross the border and it's ascertained you're not a victim of trafficking, they should be immediately moved just like children in Mexico were moved. And guess what? We did that during the Obama administration and border crossing dropped significantly. It wasn't until after that the Ninth Circuit Judge Dolly G decided, no, you can only home for 20 days. And I said during the court at that time, if you do that,

We're going to have more family groups coming across the border than you've ever seen because we can't get in front of the judge that quick. I was called a fear monger. Look what happened. So if Congress repicks TBPRA, the Florida Settlement Agreement, and they sign them, that's much of this border. Tom, one more for you because you are entering a new – I think it's safe to say a new era here where a lot of the folks you're going to be encountering and dealing with –

And folks are already encountering and dealing with are not from the Northern Triangle countries. They're not from Mexico. You guys are dealing with tens of thousands of people from countries that if you want to deport them, it's going to require an airplane ticket. I mean, how big of an undertaking is this going to be when you talk about removal?

Look, it's going to be a big undertaking, right? That's why we need help. You know, whether it's bringing retired agents back, as we heard in New Orleans, or rather having, you know, DODs, they've assisted numerous administrations on the board. So, you know, getting maybe DOD to help with transport, helping them with logistics, helping them with infrastructure building, getting other agencies to assist.

But, look, local law enforcement, you know, we need to fire back up the 287G jail program, the 287G task force where these guys can help us. And for those sanctuary cities that don't want to help us, it's just a shame. I'm at the point now, I wake up every day and I think, okay, we're at the point now with sanctuary cities where

Those who enforce law are the bad guys, and those who violate our laws, they're the victims? Are you kidding me? Because, like I said, it's clear the president wants to prioritize public safety threats. And for these mayors and governors to speak up how they're going to impede this, I cannot believe any elected mayor or elected governor doesn't want public safety threats taken out of their community. Right?

Is this a new legal fight, though? Are you about to – is this going to be a new legal fight with the sanctuary cities? I guarantee you. I guarantee you there's going to be numerous lawsuits. ACLU has already fired up. They're going to – promise me they're going to file hundreds of lawsuits in the first few weeks. That's something they did during the first Trump administration. They'll do it again. Well, keep us posted. Tom Hellman, thank you for your time. You got it. Thank you. Bye-bye.

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I'm Dana Perino. This week on Perino on Politics, I'm joined by the co-founder of The Daily Wire and host of The Ben Shapiro Show, Ben Shapiro. Available now on FoxNewsPodcast.com or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. This is Joe Concha with your Fox News commentary coming up. This is day 1001 in Russia's war against Ukraine. Putin is focused on winning this war.

He will not stop on his own. That's Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky at the European Parliament yesterday asking them for more military help. We have succeeded not only in preventing Putin from

Taking Ukraine, but also in defending the freedom of all European nations. And he's fighting back against leader Vladimir Putin inside Russia, where for the first time, Ukraine launched American long-range missiles called Atakams, going deep across the border, targeting Russian weapons storage. After President Biden authorized that over the weekend, prompting a Russian warning that we're risking World War III.

echoed by some Republicans in Congress, like Senator Josh Hawley, who tells Fox's Laura Ingraham this should be up to the next president. January 20th, can't get here fast enough. I mean, what Biden is doing is totally reckless, Laura. It is absolutely reckless. And let's not forget, this is a guy who the Democrats decided couldn't be trusted, didn't have the capability to run a presidential campaign. And now here he is, potentially leading us down the path to World War III.

Others think President Biden waited too long to give the green light for those long-range missiles. First of all, this is something that's very long overdue. I frankly don't see it as an escalation. General Jack Keane is a retired four-star general, chairman of the Institute for the Study of War, and Fox News senior strategic analyst. The Biden administration, from what I understand, is limited in where they can target these missiles in Russia. If indeed that is, that's pretty frustrating.

But the real escalation in the war is being done by Putin and the Russians. I mean, just think of it. Putin has three allies who are helping him with money and capabilities, China, Iran, North Korea. Ukraine has many more allies up in the United States, Europe, and many other countries, even Japan and Australia. What has happened here?

The fact is, North Korea has joined with Putin in attempting to overthrow Ukraine. So Putin now has another country at war with Ukraine, similar to what took place in World War II when Italy came to the port of Nazi Germany in trying to take control of Europe.

Putin is the escalator here by far because he's got another country participating in the overthrow. So these troops from North Korea, we've heard 10,000, 11,000 of them,

Ukraine's President Zelensky at the European Parliament warned there could be 100,000 North Koreans as Russia wants to take back control of its own territory, the Kursk region, because several months ago Ukraine started crossing the border, taking over control of some of this Russian territory that maybe the battle here is for control for the next few months of that area. How vital is the Kursk region for Ukraine? Oh,

politically, it's very valuable. And why is that? Because

Ukraine is inside of Russia. I've always felt from the beginning Ukraine's objective here was one to send a clear signal to Russia that their border is open and not properly defended, and they would have to commit troops to it and also move some other troops that they have somewhere else to that area. And then thirdly, and quite significantly, is provided...

additional leverage for Ukraine, look, if it's just 10,000 or 11,000 North Koreans, it will not be decisive in the long run. However, if this is the beginning of a pipeline of people and soldiers from North Korea, then that could become decisive. Why?

Putin's military on the ground averages 30,000 casualties a month during this eight-month period that the Chinese had gained control of the Donbass region in the east and the south in Ukraine. In October last month, it was up to 57,000. Two months from today, things could change when President-elect Trump returns to office. Ukraine is...

It's not Ukraine anymore.

You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people. That was at a Trump rally back in September. Throughout his campaign, the former president vowed to end that war if elected again, even before he takes office, saying this at CPAC back in March of last year. And it will take me no longer than one day. I know exactly what to say to each of them. I got along very well with them. Now, he'll have the chance to do it. What I think is happening here...

is both sides are certainly preparing for some kind of negotiations. Putin, and this is something the Trump administration will have to come to grips with, that Putin is dealing with today as a person is pretty much the same. But the circumstances are dramatically different. And by that I mean Putin is a war...

commander. He's put his economy on a war footing. He's got three allies substantially assisting him to achieve his goals. And he failed to take Ukraine in a two-to-three time frame two years ago, but he has never given up on his determination and conviction to take control of Ukraine. And that is where he is. The idea of going to negotiations where he would only get

something like 20% of Ukraine would be frozen in place right now. He has no stomach for that whatsoever. So we want the outcome to be favorable to Ukraine for sure. And I think they'll recognize they'll likely have to up Ukraine's game for a while to gain that leverage. I don't know if that'll be their conclusion, but certainly that'll be one of the options that would have to be discussed. Okay. Now with the use of these new long range American missiles,

Russia has also a new nuclear doctrine. And in this, it now says that Russia could respond using nuclear weapons if a nuclear power like the U.S. or some of our NATO allies were involved in an assault or an attack using conventional weapons, which these long-range missiles are.

Do you see this as anything different than the same kind of nuclear threats that Putin has issued before? This is part of the KGB education.

Putin, and he has been quite successful at what he has done here in terms of getting inside the head of the Biden administration and threatening this kind of escalation. The reason why Ukraine never got all what they needed when they needed it, and the Biden administration has imposed restrictions on them, is it has paralyzed them.

and not giving Ukraine everything to win, which most of us observing this would have actually been achieved by now. They're paralyzed by their own fear of escalation. And Putin, of course, he's going to keep it up because he's had his influence over the Biden administration. Does it make any sense?

that Putin is going to use a tactical nuclear weapon and the Trump administration is inbound. It would blow up Europe and force the United States and NATO to take some military action against Russia.

He knows what the consequences are. And I'm amazed that this administration still continues to fall for it. What is the difference? You know, for all these years, I grew up in the nuclear threat, the Cold War, you know, having, you know, our cities hit with nuclear weapons. What is a tactical nuke in the battlefield versus what I think of as the, you know, the Armageddon?

Well, a tactical nuclear weapon, given some of the ones we have, would exceed what was done at Hiroshima. I mean, there's not something to be taken lightly. We have considerably smaller ones as well. The Russian military is not trained on how to deal with nuclear weapons on the battlefield because they obviously would be affected by the radiation of that. They don't have the equipment for it. During the Cold War, we were trained and we had the equipment.

General

If President-elect Trump called you and asked your advice on how to handle this conflict as he takes office, what would you tell him?

He knows that the most geopolitical paradigm change that has taken place in a generation has happened with Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea working together and taking advantage of the United States because they believe our leadership is weak and we've lost our political will to confront them.

He will have to make it very clear to them that there will be consequences if you continue on this very assertive and aggressive path to take advantage of the states. And that applies to all of them. And I think publicly he'll make some statements like this. But privately, I think he's going to talk through his own people to them and possibly

Iran won privately, letting them know that he has some official red lines. Iran, stop using your proxies to take down Israel and attack the United States. And with Putin, get out of Ukraine and put aside the idea that

that you're going to expand into Europe. And that is clearly his objective following the taking over of Ukraine.

President Xi, he's going to say much the same. Stop the intimidation and coercion of Taiwan or allies in the region. He's going to take them on economically to bring into balance the $1 trillion trade imbalance that we have with their exports versus what they import from the United States. I think they recognize there's a different leader in the White House who'll use the

rhetoric to explain that. But they also know, I think based on the assessment of the previous four years was, is that there's a credible threat behind the words. So things are likely going to begin to turn around, but sure we have deterrence, Dave. We've got to rebuild our

Our military, we've had defense budgets flat for four years. They watch that like a hawk, our adversaries. We've got to fix the business practices in the Pentagon. Defense industrial base, when we play war games, we run out of key missile munitions within two or three weeks, which means what? Which means you lose the war.

That's the reality of it. So there's a lot of work that this incoming administration has got to do to get back to absolute deterrence. We're two months away from the change. General Jack Keane, retired four-star general, chairman of the Institute for the Study of War, Fox News senior strategic analyst. Great to have you on again. Thanks for being here. Thank you. Thank you.

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It's time for your Fox News commentary. Joe Concha. What's on your mind? MSNBC's Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski returned to Mar-a-Lago for the first time in nearly eight years to meet with the president-elect. And let's just say the reception from the left and right and everywhere in between ranged anywhere from anger to mockery to WTF.

depending on the source. It's easy for anyone sane and sober to fall into the last two camps of mockery and WTF, because we've all heard what Joe and Mika have been saying on Morning Joe ever since they turned on Trump in the spring of 2016 for probably the reason of Trump not choosing Scarborough to be his running mate.

Just to review, Scarborough has said during this 2024 campaign season that the, quote, American experiment could be over if Trump wins. He claimed Trump wants to execute generals. No, he really said that. That are not loyal enough to him, as well as terminating the Constitution if it gets in the way of his power.

The former Republican congressman also hilariously alleged Trump wants to shut down, quote, news networks he disagrees with while prosecuting and putting in jail people who disagree with him as well, such as, I don't know, journalists. Joe and Mika had also made a habit of comparing Trump to that guy named Adolf Hitler.

The funny thing about all this rhetoric is it ignores the fact that Trump was already president for four years and none of these things happened. So why is this happening exactly? Why did Joe Amica go to Mar-a-Lago and kiss the ring? Number one, ratings. MSNBC is seeing an exodus of viewers, the likes of which we have never seen so soon after a presidential election, losing more than half of its audience since November 5th.

The precipitous drop comes as MSNBC's parent company, Comcast, is considering spinning off the cable news channel, which will likely result in layoffs and restructuring of contracts of those who survive, like Joe and Mika.

Also, number two, and here's a big reason as well, the embrace of Trump likely wasn't difficult for them on a personal level since much of how they've acted and much of what they've said over the last eight years had nothing to do with anything but performance art.

The kind you see on Skinamax at 3 a.m. The truth is these two have always been about access to power. Just look at the way they fluff President Joe Biden and saying that he's at his best he's ever been just a couple of months ago before he dropped out of the race. They want that access to Trump as well. Trump, for his part, was gracious in accepting the meeting. Apparently he was in a great mood during it. And why wouldn't you be watching these two brown nose their way back in?

into his good graces, maybe. So that's the way it's going over at MSNBC. Be happy you don't work there. I'm Joe Concha.

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