The Covenant Form of Government ft. Bill Federer
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Joining us for the full hour is my dear friend and very smart man, historian Bill Federer. Bill, how are we doing today? Hey, Charlie, great to be with you. Bill, lots to discuss. I really want to discuss here, most importantly, why Christians should care about politics and what does the Bible say about government? This is a very infinite, infinitely rich topic. So let me tell you, let's just talk about this election, Bill.

Does the Bible say that Christians should A, vote and care about their government? Definitely, definitely. I just finished a new book. It's called Silence Equals Consent, The Sin of Omission. And I go through an overview of world history. And the most common form of government is gangs. Get rid of all the police, you'll have gangs. And a gang leader with enough weapons we call a king. And as the weapons improve, these kingdoms get bigger.

So instead of cane killing able with a rock, they can kill with a bronze weapon, iron weapon, phalanx spear that the Greeks had, scimitar sword that the Muslims had, composite bow that the Mongols had, gunpowder that the Chinese invented. Weapon keeps improving, kingdoms keep getting bigger. Anybody that can plot on a graph sees that at some point it's gonna max out on a global level. And Jesus said, "Wheat and tears grow together till the harvest." But around the time of the country's founding, the King of England had the biggest empire the planet had seen.

The king of England was a globalist. He was a one-world government guy with him at the top. America's founders decided they didn't like one-world government guys telling us what to do, so they broke away and flipped it and made the people the king. The word citizen is Greek. It means co-king, co-ruler, co-sovereign.

And so the idea is, what's the anomaly? What's the opposite of a king? Well, you have Roman Republic for a while until Julius Caesar made himself dictator for life. You had an Athenian democracy for a while until Alexander the Great's dad, Philip of Macedon, paid citizens of Athens to betray their own city. But ultimately, it was way back around 1400 BC, ancient Israel.

They come out of Egypt and for 400 years, no king. It's a total anomaly in world history. Counter every piece of human nature, selfish human nature. You have millions of people and no king. Was there an example prior to that? Sorry to interrupt, Bill, of ever people living without a king?

If there were, it was on a very small scale, nothing where you had an entire nation. And so here you have Israel. They come out of Egypt again around 1400 B.C. to 1000 B.C. And the system works because every citizen is taught the law and they're personally accountable to God to follow the law.

So you have an opportunity to steal, nobody's around, and then you think, God's watching me. He wants me to be fair. He's going to hold me accountable in the future. Maybe I should hesitate stealing. And it creates a tiny thing in your head called a conscience. If everybody in the country believes this, you can maintain order with no king. So king is the norm. It's a revolving door.

You have a good king and his sons are bad, and then you got to work to get rid of them. You put in another good king and his sons are bad. I mean, here's David, the best king ever.

His oldest son, Amnon, rapes a daughter, Tamar, is murdered by the son, Absalom, who tries to overthrow David. Another son, Adonijah, tries to overthrow David. Solomon's good for a while until he marries a thousand wives and builds pagan temples. This is the best king ever. David, his own sons go off track. So the dilemma is how do you get rid of the bad king and maintain order without it snapping back with another king?

And it's called the covenant form of government. And that's what they had in ancient Israel, that first 400 years out of Egypt. That's what the pilgrims and Puritans look to as the model. And so they set up a covenant form of government in New England where you had people and no king. And why is this important? Because

Romans 13, which every Bible scholar is familiar, that's the verse that says, let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there's no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. And Romans 13 is understood differently in a monarchy versus a republic.

In a monarchy, subjects submit to the king. In a republic, the citizens are the king, right? The word citizen, right? It goes all the way back to the idea that you had people ruling themselves without a king. And so subjects obey and citizens give consent.

And so the people that say, well, you just got to obey the government. They need to pick up and go and live in China and just surrender their conscience to Xi Jinping. But in America, our founders set it up where we, the people, are in charge. And we got this idea from ancient Israel that first 400 years out of Egypt before King Saul, the Hebrew Republic.

And that's why they taught Hebrew at Yale and Harvard. It's a fascinating study. But when people don't know history, they just study the scriptures. They're like, well, we got to figure out, are we supposed to submit? Well, the founders of America looked to this pre-Kings Hall period where you had millions of people, everybody taught the law and personally accountable to God to follow it.

And so they taught Hebrew at Yale and Harvard. To this day, Yale has Hebrew characters on its coat of arms, truth and light. So one of the things I talk about in my new book, it's called Silence Equals Consent, The Cinnabon Mission, is in New England, you had churches founding cities. You had the first Baptist church in America founded the city of Providence, Rhode Island. And the first Congregationalist church in America founded a city, Hartford, Connecticut.

And then you had Catholics founding Maryland and you had Quakers founding Pennsylvania and Dutch reform founding New York. And so this was the experience. Everybody's involved in church and everybody's involved in city government because it's the church founding the city. There's no non-church members that were tagging along to be lazy and let them run everything.

Everybody's involved in church, everybody's involved in the city government. They actually would have one building in every New England town called the Meeting House. You go to Boston, you can visit the Old South Meeting House, right? And this is where the pastor would teach the Bible, and this is where they would do their city business. The word synagogue means meeting house. That's where the rabbi would teach the law, and that's where they would do their city business. I mean, why build a separate building just to talk about a different topic?

And so this concept is what formed America. There's a great quote from Os Guinness, and he said, covenantal ideas in England were the lost cause, but they became the winning cause in New England. Covenant shaped constitutionalism. The American Constitution is a nationalized, secularized form of covenant.

And he goes on to say covenant lies behind constitution. And the word federal is Latin for covenant. We have a covenant form of government in America where we, the people, rule ourselves bottom up, not some king or president or tyrant ruling top down through mandates.

And they got their idea. There's even a plaque in Hartford, Connecticut. And the plaque says Thomas Hooker's congregation established the form of government upon which the present Constitution of the United States is modeled. It's like, what? Yeah, here you have our Constitution based on New England church covenant government, based on the Bible, what part of the Bible that first 400 years out of Egypt before King Saul.

the Hebrew Republic. And so that's the original plan that God gave to his people. It was only after they sinned that they asked for a king. And it's an interesting little chapter. The Levite priests had gone woke. They weren't teaching the law anymore. You're like, what? Yeah, there's Eli, the high priest, his own sons are doing sexual immorality. They're sleeping with women in the very tent where the Ark of the Covenant is.

And then you have another Levite with a graven image in the house of a guy named Micah. You read the story in the book of Judges and the tribe of Dan comes along and steals the graven image and tells this Levite to come along. And you're scratching your head like, what's this Levite doing with the graven image? Isn't that one of the commandments? You're not supposed to have them. And then there's the terrible story of a Levite with a concubine.

The law says the Levites to marry a virgin of his own tribe. Here he is with the woman he's not even married to and they're traveling and the house gets surrounded by sodomites. Something about that behavior that appears at the last stages of a people ruling themselves, this casting off the self-restraint. Poor concubines raped to death. By the time you're grossed out, you read the line, every man did that which was right in their own eyes. Why? Because the priest stopped teaching what was right in the Lord's eyes.

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Yeah, so you had an interesting story that the children of Israel rejected. The Levites all went woke and they weren't teaching that there was sin and you can tolerate any type of immoral behavior. And what happens? It turns into chaos and lawlessness. And they all go to Samuel the prophet and they say the self-government system is not working anymore. We want to be like the other countries. We want a king. And Samuel cries and the Lord tells him they did not reject you. They rejected me.

So God's original plan for his people was to not have a king, have everybody be taught the law and personally accountable to God to follow it. And so there's the story of King Saul pouting that his son Jonathan became friends with David and he turns to his soldiers and he says, none of your soldiers care about me.

And one soldier said, I care. I saw David go to this town and the priest there gave him some bread and the sword of Goliath that was stored there. And Saul says, bring the priest to me. Well, they show up. Saul turns to his soldiers and he says, kill him. And the soldiers hesitate.

And Doeg the Edomite goes out there and kills all the priests. What just happened? The soldiers were still operating under the old system where each person is accountable to God to follow the law. And the law says you need two or more witnesses before you condemn somebody to death. There's only one witness, Doeg. So the soldiers still have a conscience. Okay, king, you're telling me to kill. I'm accountable to God. There's only one witness, supposed to be two. And

And they fear God. Well, Doeg the Edomite says, King, I'm going to fear the government, your government more than God. You tell me to kill, I'll kill. Tell me to kill the baby in the womb, I'll kill it. Tell me there's no more male or female. Tell me kids can be furries. I'm just a bunch of mush. You blow the trumpet, I'll bother your statue. So when you transition to a king, the king demands your conscience.

And so America's founders didn't like that. They wanted to look to the pre-King. So King Saul is the divider between England and America. Both of them are looking to the Bible, but the Kings of Europe looked to the King Saul and on divine right of Kings, God chose me, I'm the Royal gang leader. And the founders of America looked to the pre-King Saul part of the Bible.

And so the kings of Europe, they wanted a theocracy. You believe the way their government tells you to believe or you're put in a January 6th jail, you're canceled and you're burnt at the stake. Our founders didn't want dominionism in that sense. They wanted freedomism. They wanted liberty.

And it goes back to the concept that God loves you. He wants you to love him back, but for love to be love, it must be voluntary. It's not compulsed, right? And so, so our founders in America, they wanted the freedomism. And so that's why it's sort of a straw man when they say, God, watch out for those Christians. If they get in power, they're going to force their, their views on you. It's like,

How can you force freedom on people? I'm going to force you to have freedom of religion and freedom of speech and freedom of press and freedom of conscience and freedom to defend yourself and freedom to have a jury by a trial of your peers and freedom from cruel, unusual punishment. I mean, it's sort of a good thing, right? Freedom.

And but but they're trying they confuse what Christianity was in Europe under kings versus in America, which was the pre King Saul part of the Bible where you had millions of people. Everybody taught the law and accountable to God to follow it.

So it's a fascinating study. And this covenant form of government that these New Englanders had was revolutionary, and it eventually turned into our Constitution. But after a century, it got a little dry and got taught academically at Yale and Harvard.

God has a plan for your life, marriage, family, church, government, find out what the plan is, put it into place. Some even took it the next step and said, God in his infinite wisdom already knows who's going to wind up in heaven. So don't even bother preaching the gospel. Whoever's supposed to get saved, they'll get saved. And they became less evangelistic. And so the Puritans got nicknamed old lights and David Brainerd got expelled from Yale because he said his professor was as spiritual as a chair.

And the Yale students got in trouble. They were reprimanded. Why? Because they went into the town of New Haven and smashed windows? No. They were caught preaching the gospel to strangers on the street. And that was considered disrespectful. They weren't wearing a black robe. They weren't licensed to preach yet. And so in the 1700s, you had the New Lights.

And these were revivalists who said being a Christian is more than a plan, even if it's a good plan, a covenant plan. You have to have an experience with Jesus. When you do, your life will change. You won't do worldly things anymore like bars and brothels and government.

It's like, wait, what was that last thing? Yeah, government, it's worldly. If you're really Christian, you're not going to be involved. Well, that's sort of different than an entire century of the 1600s where everybody's involved in church and everybody's involved in the city government because it's the church founding the city. There's like no non-church members to let them be in charge. And they're like, yeah, but we're not going to do that in the 1700s. If you're really, really a Christian, you're going to withdraw from the worldly government and just be involved in church stuff.

And they got their idea from Germany. Martin Luther starts the Reformation because he had a personal experience with Jesus. But some German princes want a break from Rome. And they say, this is the chance I've been waiting for. Kingdom of mine, I just decided you're all Lutherans.

And the people are like, okay, okay, we're Lutheran. What do we believe? Bill also mentioned, why is it then that so many Christians that are pastors in America, pastors of churches, are hesitant to speak out? Why is that, Bill? Well, some of them have bought into this theology. It's called the two kingdom concept, the kingdom of the government, the kingdom of the church, the two don't touch. And if you're really, really spiritual, you'll withdraw from government and just be involved in church stuff.

Well, it brings up an interesting situation because if all the spiritual people withdraw from government, who's left to be involved but the less spiritual? And because they're less spiritual, they're going to yield to their ambitions, become power hungry and be tyrants. And it's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Don't get involved in government because it's worldly. Well, why is it worldly? Because we're not involved in government. And all the spiritual people have withdrawn themselves. And so this two kingdom concept for four centuries was taught in Germany and it allowed Hitler to put Jews on train cars. And they're going right past the church crying out for help. And the church's response was, well, that's the government that's killing the Jews. And we're the church and we can't get involved in government stuff because we're holy. So let's just sing praise songs louder.

It's like, can somebody see there's something wrong with that picture? Right? So where the Puritans said you can do two things. You can be involved in church and you can be involved in city government. You know, people can do two things. You can be a spouse and you can be a parent.

Two completely different roles, one person can do both. But the pietists are like, no, you can only do one thing. And if you're really spiritual, you will withdraw from government and just be involved in church stuff. And there were even German princes that donated money to the pietists so they would teach their people not to get involved in the government.

It's sort of like globalists giving money to woke seminaries so Christians will teach themselves not to get involved in politics while at the same time those globalists are giving money to their LGBTQ Gaza activists to get them involved in politics. What a great strategy. Give money to silence your opposition and motivate your supporters. And so one of the little stories that people are often overlooked is –

These Moravians, these Lutheran Pietists did influence the Wesleys, who did influence George Whitefield who preached the Great Awakening revival. And his message was it's more than doctrine. You have to have an experience with Jesus. And when you do, your life will change and you won't be involved in worldly things. And to some, it was so personal. It was only personal.

And they would withdraw. And the founder of the Lutheran Church in America was Henry Muhlenberg. He's a pietist, don't get involved in government guy. He has two sons, John Peter Muhlenberg, Frederick Augustus Muhlenberg, and they're don't get involved in government pastors. And the revolution starts. And Patrick Henry gives his give me liberty, give me death speech. Who's there but the pastor, John Peter Muhlenberg. So he goes to George Washington and says, I want to help. Washington says, I'm going to make you a colonel, go get your men.

And he goes to church and preaches out of Ecclesiastes. Time for all things. Time to gather stones, time to scatter, time to preach, and time to fight. And he takes off his clerical robe and has a uniform, has an altar call, 300 men of his church and surrounding churches, kiss their wives goodbye, right off to become the 8th Virginia Regiment. He's promoted to general, and he's elected to Congress, and his statue is in the U.S. Capitol Statuary Hall, taking off his clerical robe with the uniform.

Well, his brother Frederick is writing him letters saying, "You have become too involved in matters which as a preacher, you have nothing whatsoever to do." And John Peter writes to Frederick saying that he's a Tory British sympathizer. And Frederick writes back and says he cannot serve two masters, right? Two kingdom concept from Germany, kingdom of the government, the kingdom of the church, the two don't touch. And then the British invade New York and burn Frederick's church.

And he decides he needs to get involved. He's elected to Congress and he's elected the first speaker of the House. The first speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives is a pastor, Lutheran pastor, Frederick Augustus Muhlenberg, who went from pietist, don't get involved in government, to getting involved. And what did he pass in the first session of Congress with his brother there? The First Amendment.

Does anybody honestly think that these two pastors would vote to outlaw themselves? My pastors aren't supposed to be involved in politics, even though we are and we're in Congress and we're passing the First Amendment. No, the First Amendment, as well as the first 10 amendments, were handcuffs on the federal government to keep it from becoming a Frankenstein, King George III monster,

ruling through mandates, canceling people unless they surrender their conscience to the king, putting them in J6 prisons and burning them at the stake unless they agree to all the government's latest doctrine, right? And so the idea that we need to look at is why can't we have both?

Why can't we have a covenant plan where we, the people rule ourselves and have a personal experience, right? With the Lord. I mean, it is personal, but don't we want to leave a nation to our children where they have a chance to have a personal experience with the Lord? Because if you don't get involved,

What they are teaching the children is that God does not exist. Would God want the children to be taught he didn't exist? And if they think he exists, they come to the conclusion he's messed up. He's put in men and women's bodies and you have to have operations to fix it. What a messed up God. He's either confused up there, powerless, or worse, sadistic.

And if that behavior is not sin, what behavior? Well, sex outside of marriage. You know, the little library books they showed the kids, try this kind of sex, try that kind of sex. If sex outside of marriage is not a sin, arguably there are no sins. And if there's no sins, you don't need a savior to save you from your sins. So they're undermining the entire gospel. It's quite a clever trick the devil's pulled.

to get Christians who believe the gospel of Christ, let their children be taught the gospel of anti-Christ, right? No God, no sin, no savior needed. And so I tell people the most important thing is to bring people to Christ. But the second most important thing is to preserve the freedom to do the most important thing. If you really think the gospel is the answer, you're going to be involved wanting the freedom to preach it.

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So pastors are then wondering, how should I talk about this election? Can you try to bring this to contemporize this, if you will, Bill? How should a Christian view this election? Yeah, well, this sort of goes back to the title of my book, Silence Equals Consent. The same way the church members are silent at a wedding ceremony and they're given their consent. If the church members are silent when they're killing babies, they're giving their consent to killing babies. And if you give consent, you're an accessory to the crime.

and you'll share in the judgment. It's called the rule of tacit admission, T-A-C-I-T, a black's law dictionary, an admission reasonably inferable from a party's failure to act or speak. It's in criminal law. It's in debt collection law. Somebody owes you money. You wait 10 years to try to start collecting. The judge will say you're past the statute of limitation. You've been silent too long, no money.

It's in real estate law. You buy a rent house for some retirement income and a squatter moves in. And if you know about it and you're silent, you don't try to evict them or charge them rent, they can gain title to your rent house through adverse possession just by you being silent. It's in trademark law. You design a trademark, somebody copies it, it's all over the internet. If you do not try to defend your trademark, they all get to use it.

It's in our Constitution. Article 1, Section 7. Congress passes a bill, puts it on the president's desk. If any bill shall not be returned by the president within 10 days, the same shall be a law in like manner as if he had signed it. All the president has to do is be silent for 10 days and his silence equals his signature.

And so if church members are silent and at wedding ceremony, they're given consent. If the church members are silent when they're killing babies, they're given consent to killing babies. They actually have a woke tactic and it's to guilt trip Christians into being more Christian than Christ. You say what? They say, yeah, if you're really Christian, you'll be silent and give your tacit approval to us teaching something to children that Jesus would never teach to children. I mean, would Jesus teach the trans agenda?

We know what Jesus taught, Matthew 19. He who made them at the beginning made them male and female. And yet they're telling you if you're really Christian, you'll be silent and give your approval to us teaching something Jesus wouldn't have. So if you're really Christian, you won't act like Christ. I mean, think of it. Here are school counselors who cannot even define woman.

Yet they think they can tell that a little boy is supposed to transition to be a little girl. It's totally illogical. And Jesus said, if you allow one of these little ones who believes in me to fall into sin, it will be better for you to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone around your neck. So I think it's going to be a rude awakening for all those people that all those church members that think they're being, oh, we don't want to get involved in politics. We just preach the gospel at our church. We are so spiritual. We don't care about what kind of country we're leaving our kids.

I think it's going to be a rude awakening when they realize by their silence, they're giving consent to the evil. They're inviting judgment on themselves.

So, Bill, then, you know, no, please continue. Yeah. Oh, there's just numerous instances in the Bible. For example, the Apostle Paul, Acts 22, talking to the Lord. And he says, and when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by consenting to his death. Paul did not throw a stone. Paul did not say a word. Yet Paul knew he was guilty for the death of Stephen.

Just by being silent. Because Proverbs 24 says, Don't stand back and let them die. Don't try to disclaim responsibility by saying you didn't know about it. Mordecai tells Esther,

There's a mandate from the government to kill the Jews. If you're silent, you'll be killed, and God will raise up somebody else to deliver Israel. And then there's Numbers 20. Moses and Aaron are called to the door of the tabernacle. And the Lord spake,

to Moses, "Take the rod, gather the assembly, thou and Aaron, speak to the rock, water will come out." Well, they gathered the assembly and then Moses lifts up his rod and hits the rock twice and water comes out. End of the chapter, "Lord spake to Moses, 'Aaron will not enter the land because both of you rebelled against my command at the waters of Meribah.'" It's like both, we just read the chapter. Aaron didn't do anything the whole chapter.

Like, yeah, that's just it. He was at the door of the tabernacle. He heard God tell Moses, speak to the rock.

When Moses lifted up the rod the first time and hit the rock, it probably took Aaron by surprise. When Moses lifted up the rod the second time, Aaron knew what was coming. And he didn't protest. He didn't say, well, Moses, hold it. No, he was silent. And in that instant, Aaron was guilty. Moses' was a sin of commission. Aaron's was a sin of omission.

Leviticus 5, a person sins because he did not speak up even though he was an eyewitness to a case or knew what happened. Anyone who failed to testify is guilty. It's sort of what Martin Luther King Jr. said, right? He who accepts evil without protesting it is really cooperating with it. You know, there's a verse that everyone has memorized. Leviticus 19, 18, love your neighbor as yourself. The verse immediately before it, confront your neighbor directly so you will not be held guilty for their sin.

Wow, so they're loving each other, loving each other, and they're confronting each other. It's sort of like a parent, you want to love your kid and hug him all the time, but every now and then you have to correct him. Well, there wasn't any king in Israel for 400 years. There wasn't any police. Everybody was taught the law. Everybody helped enforce the law.

Right. It was a self-pleasing system. And so it's not, oh, just love your kid, love your kid. You love him and you correct him. If you were to leave your kid up to their feelings, they'd eat candy all day long and their teeth would rot out of their head. Some pastors and Christians say, I can't vote for Trump because he's not nice enough. What would the case be, based on everything you're saying, Bill, to vote and support for President Trump versus Kamala Harris? Well, one is sex trafficking.

Jim Caviezel did the movie Sound of Freedom. And the line in the movie is that children are the new cocaine. If you smuggle cocaine in, you sell it one time. Smuggle a kid in, you can sell them 10 times a day. It's heartbreaking. And it's happening under this administration. And how can church members be silent knowing that's happening? You know, I was in Colorado and State Representative Scott Bottoms, we were at a meeting together and he talked about

visiting with sheriffs who told him that there are wicked people buying children for sex. And so he introduces a bill and it gets voted down. He just wanted minimum punishment. And where's the church? And then in California earlier this year, Shannon Grove, a state senator, introduced a bill making purchasing a child for sex a felony versus a misdemeanor with as little as two days in jail. And it gets voted down.

And so the Democrat state Senator Susan Eggman gets on the floor and rebukes her own party for voting it down. She said, I'm a social worker. I've worked with women who've been abused as children. They get wounded. They have to deal with it their whole lives. And you're more concerned by this guy. That's going to go out and do it again in two days. I've had enough. Where's the church there? Well, we don't want to get involved in politics. We're holy. It's like they're selling children and you don't want to get involved.

It's beyond comprehension. You know, the Salvation Army started with William and Catherine Booth rescuing children out of sex trafficking in London. Wicked people would go to a poor family and say, give us your daughter. We'll give her an education to get her out of the door. And they sell into a brothel.

And when Catherine Booth found out about this, she said, "I felt as though I must go and walk the streets and besiege the dens where these hellish iniquities are going on to keep quiet seemed like being a betrayer to humanity." How can church members be silent?

And with the selling of children at going on, there's close to 300,000 missing children. And there's evidence that they're being put into sex trafficking. Even the CEO of Goya, the food company, G-O-Y-A. Yeah, Bob Unoue. Yeah. He talked about how this administration is complicit in the sex trafficking of children. And to have people say, oh, we don't like Trump because of his tweets. It's like,

he's better than somebody that does cocaine in the White House. And David Daleiden, I know him. He was the young man that filmed Planned Parenthood people talking about selling body parts. And what happens is Kamala Harris, however her name is pronounced, she didn't go after Planned Parenthood because they contributed to her campaign. She goes after David Daleiden for a decade.

and the people that were with him. And so the radical

Earl abortion. And then you have many states right now, 11 states have proposals for amendments to the Constitution to enshrine abortion in their Constitution. I was in Missouri with Josh Hawley and Tony Perkins and Turning Point Faith people there in Springfield, Missouri. And so they have an amendment to put into the Missouri Constitution abortion up to birth, have the taxpayer pay for it,

And there's no liability for the healthcare workers that do it, doesn't even specify it has to be a doctor.

And it covers all reproductive services, which includes transgendered stuff paid for by the enshrined in the constitution. And how can church, and then you have the same thing in Florida and in Maryland and in South Dakota and in Colorado, I've been to these States. I'm campaigning because we need to wake up pastors and churches to get out and vote. How could you just sit back and let something as little as somebody's personality and, and,

I was on with Frank Turek last night, and he was sharing with me how much he respects you. It's very sweet.

He had shared something, and you've shared it as well, is that you're not voting for Trump. You're voting for the 5,000 people that come along. That's a Frank Turek one. Isn't that compelling, Bill? I think it's very compelling. Yeah, you know, Morton Blackwell said personnel is policy. Forget every speech that Obama gave and Kamala and Trump. Forget their speeches. Who do they put into office? Well, I'd say about two-thirds of Trump's people were good and another third were rhinos. But who did the other side put in?

Well, sexually LGBTQ variety, Islamist variety, socialist variety. So this is a critical time for the country. And I think we need to set aside those minor things and realize if you care about children, you're going to get involved.

Bill Federer, thank you for joining us. That was excellent. Check out silence equals consent. I just pre-ordered it right now. The audience should do the same. Bill, thank you so much. Thank you, Charlie. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

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