“Prove Me Wrong": Charlie vs. the Students of North Texas
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So I tend to lean liberal on a lot of issues, but specifically on immigration. When I hear about the Haitians in Ohio taking over cities and the thing about eating people's pets, I don't know if that's true. It is true.

But I was wondering if you could speak a little bit on that specifically, and I'm kind of torn on the election. So if you could also speak on if we have more instances like that in the future, if Kamala Harris gets voted. Yeah, it's a great. First of all, thank you for coming up to the mic. And I want to try to win you over as a liberal for Donald Trump. So you're going to give me a chance. Okay.

I will soon. All right, okay. That is a true open mind, so I appreciate that. Number one, we have accepted 5% of the Haitian population in this country in the last couple years. I have nothing against Haitians. I know some Haitians. We can all agree when you accept 5% of any country's population,

in addition to all the other mass migration we have, it's too much, it's unsustainable, and a government must start from this core premise. It must have an obligation to fulfill a better life for its own citizens before it opens its border to non-citizens. It's a very, very basic, fundamental thing. And as I said earlier, everybody in this audience...

is seeing their future worse off than their parents for the first time since George Washington. That's a big deal. Usually at least kids are as good, if not better than their parents and we have that broken. As far as Donald Trump goes, there are three things I want you to think about when voting for Trump. Number one, home ownership. I imagine you want to own a home sometime in your life, right? Yes, sir. All right. In order to own a home, you would have to make $125,000 a year right now just to be able to get the mortgage. That doesn't count your medical expenses, your student debt expenses.

your credit card expenses. When Trump was president, it was $75,000 a year. We were building millions of new homes. Incomes were going up. Why is it that the housing prices have gone up so much? Because Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have spent $6 to $7 trillion of unnecessary federal spending, flooded the zone with these trillions of dollars.

which have inflated asset prices. Number two, as a liberal, I imagine you don't like war, right? You don't like endless war. Under Donald Trump, it was the first president in 40 years where we had no new wars. No Iraq war, no Syrian war, no Russian-Ukraine war.

Under Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, we have the Russian-Ukrainian war that we've spent $250 billion on. We have the terrible situation in Israel and Gaza. I'm very pro-Israel. We can all agree, though, not a good situation, right? Not favorable. It's just bad. A lot of human suffering. Not good to witness.

Under Donald Trump, none of that happened. In fact, he brought peace to the Middle East, we had the Abraham Accords, and we had a stable international circumstance. The final thing is the border. Under Donald Trump, the southern border was the most secure it was in American history with border crossings at an all-time low. Under Kamala Harris, 10 million people have come across the southern border into this country. We have no idea who they are. They're coming into our communities. Crime is increasing. They're eating ducks and geese and cats in Springfield, Ohio.

And that's just like a silly example. It's totally true, by the way. Why? Yeah, go ahead. Why, when I looked it up, because the reason I'm asking you is because there's a lot of misinformation, I feel like, because

When I first heard about your side of the story is what I heard, and then after that, I was hearing that there's no proof of that. So why is that? Well, there is proof. I mean, we have tons of video I could show you of residents saying that my cat was taken by a Haitian yesterday morning and was grilled on an open fire. They won't accept that as a police report in Springfield. I know way too much about Springfield, Ohio police reports right now.

But they won't accept that as a police report because it's an animal control problem. It's just, again, you have to just look at the residents. Either they're all lying and they're all in on it or there's something to this. I'm not asking you to vote for Trump based on cats being kidnapped and grilled and barbecued. I am saying, though, that it begs the question of

Can we sustain 10 million people? I want you guys to understand how many 10 million people is. We have 10 million illegals that have come to the country, which is the population of New Jersey. That is an unsustainable amount. Under Donald Trump, we have the border secure and it will stay secure. So those three things. We had a great economy under Trump and it was easier for you guys to own homes. We had no wars and you guys are closer to World War III than ever before. You guys that are all, by the way, military age,

I hope we don't get into World War III because you might be drafted under the current circumstance. And you guys might laugh. But think about who is endorsing Kamala Harris. Dick Cheney?

Leon Panetta, Liz Cheney. These are the warmongers of 20 years ago that got us into these wars. So I am not fearmongering here, guys. The people that got us into these failed wars... By the way, this is 9-11 today, and we remember what happened on 9-11, and then we remember our terrible reaction on 9-11 when we decided to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Let us never do that again. Let us never invade sovereign countries. And I think you would sympathize with that. And I...

And this is why we're seeing Bobby Kennedy, Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, people that are card-carrying Democrats, vote for Trump and voice support for Trump. Because what's happening at the Democrat Party is this very sinister combination. It's a party of censorship. It's a party of war. A party of open borders that is against actual traditional liberal values. I agree. So which way are you leaning? Can I get a hat? That's a good answer. Thanks, man. God bless. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, hi. Um...

So I typically don't affiliate like with either side. But I feel like this election is really important. It is. So why should I vote for either side? Like what are the pros and cons? It's a great question. Let me first ask you, what matters a lot to you? Is it like good economy, stable country, crime? If you were to look at the issues that matter most, what issues motivate you and are most important to you? I would say economy,

That's the most important to me. Good. I totally agree. It is not even a question that under Donald Trump's presidency, the economy was better. Wages were going up. Incomes were going up. Easier to be able to have extra disposable income. Easier to own a home. Young people were seeing a renaissance to be able to move up the economic ladder. These last four years have been really crummy for young people economically. Harder than ever to own a home. You might be able to rent. You kind of become a permanent Russian serf. You're constantly in debt.

And so on that issue alone, outside of all President Trump's rhetoric that you might like or not like, he will make you richer and will restore this generation back to its rightful place to be as good, if not better, than your parents' generation. You want a MAGA hat? Okay, I like it. God bless you. Thank you so much.

Hey, everybody. Charlie Kirk here.

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I just have a question about what you think about the communist group on campus. The communist group on campus? Yeah. I wish the communists would come up to the microphone. Are they here somewhere? Then come on up, guys. That's great. Come on up. Bring the commies up, right? Commies, commies, commies. Let's bring the commies up.

By the way, this is how you know. Okay, can I hear from some communists? Great, okay. Are you a self-described communist? Yeah, I'm a libertarian socialist. Oh, okay, great. So it's an inherent contradiction, a libertarian socialist. If you want to believe that, yeah. Explain to me how one could be a socialist and also a libertarian. So as a libertarian, I believe in people's personal freedoms, and I think that socialism is the best way to do that.

That's not really what I came here to talk about, though. No, but it's like being a vegan meat eater. It doesn't make any sense, right? It's like saying, well, I want freedom here, but I also want the government to control every part of my life. So explain to me how a vegan meat eater would work. So, okay. A vegan meat eater does not work, obviously. But a libertarian socialist is saying that I value liberty, but also I don't value liberty. So it's an inherent contradiction. So you've got to pick one. That's not what socialism means.

Socialism, by definition, means the eradication of personal agency and freedom, the elimination of property, the elimination of religious liberty and religious practice, and also government ownership or the ownership of the means of production. By the way, don't believe me, it's literally in the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital. Those are the aims of Marxism and socialism. Yeah, the Communist Manifesto actually starts with, I, Karl Marx, believe that communism is whenever you can't pray to God or something. That's not what it's about, obviously. Well, no, but he did say that religion was the opiate of the masses.

And he said that the goal of communism is to eradicate people's attachment to religious assembly. I came here to talk about voter registration. Cool, no, we can do that. You introduced yourself with an inherent contradiction. It's like gays for Palestine, vegan meat eaters. Does that make any sense? Yeah, I'm also for Palestine, but that's not even there. I don't want to get into that. No, I just...

Fair enough, I'm confused, but what's your question? Anyways, so the university administration here at UNT recently disallowed professors from being able to bring in voter registration volunteers during class time to register people to vote. This is the first time this has ever happened on campus, and I just wanted to get your thoughts on that. Why do you think that is? Do you think that's okay? I know nothing about it. I think we have voter registration people here. I meant professors bringing in

No, I have no idea about that. The reason that they probably forbid it, and I'm speculating, is because the professors are actively propagandizing their population at that time, and then they're...

They're not actively doing it. Again, I'm just... I'm speculating. And they're probably instructing their population of how to vote at that time. Again, I'm for voter registration. That's why we have voter registration here. So I don't have that strong opinions about that. Gotcha. So the next thing, because I know that we care an awful lot about children here. So... Yes.

Does that say don't mess with trans kids? Indeed it does. It's a great shirt. So you think it's okay for a 14 year old to be able to have their penis chopped off?

Hold on. I want to ask you another question. Also, no, I don't. Also, that's not how gender reassignment surgery goes. Yes, it does, actually. You don't cut it off. It's significantly more complicated. If you want to look it up, you can look it up. They flip it inside out. It's a lot more complicated. Oh, they flip it inside out. They don't actually chop it off. It's a medical marvel, folks. I stand corrected. You're okay with 14-year-olds having that happen? I already said no. Okay, so we can agree that we should have a federal law saying that we should not have gender reassignment surgery for trans kids.

No. Can I get to my question, please? No, I have a question. Why... Can we agree that it should be illegal for someone to have gender reassignment care or surgery if they're 14 years old? For the third time, no. We should not have that. Or wait. Hold on.

At 14 years old? I'm not a doctor, man. But no, it's a very simple moral question. Shouldn't we agree as society that 14-year-olds should not be able to go under the knife for a phase that they might be in? Probably not. Ask a doctor. Okay, so I'm glad we almost have agreement, but what is your question? Okay, so in 2002, Donald Trump is quoted as saying in the New York Magazine, quote, I've known Jeff, Jeffrey Epstein, for 15 years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun...

Wait, hold on. So under what administration was Epstein arrested?

What? Oh, who arrested Jeffrey Epstein? Donald Trump's Department of Justice arrested Jeffrey Epstein for child sex trafficking. You're not addressing anything I said. Why should we vote for Trump? Because I'm answering the question. He said he was a friend of his for 15 years. Hold on a second.

What government arrested and prosecuted Ghislaine Maxwell? Donald Trump's Department of Justice. Secondly, who kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of his club? Donald Trump did. Who actually flew on the Lolita Express? Not Donald Trump. Yes, he did. He's on the books. He's on the books, folks. Look it up. The keynote speaker of the DNC, Bill Clinton, flew on Lolita Express with underage women to the island with Jeffrey Epstein. Here's the cool thing. I don't like Bill Clinton either. You are experiencing a massive cope because it's the Democrat Party that is with the pedophile named Jeffrey Epstein, not Donald Trump.

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You still haven't addressed why Trump would say that he's known him for 15 years and says he's a great guy, joking about his love for younger women. They were both Palm Beachers, and again, he kicked them out of his... He's been on the books. Do you want me to pull up the documents? It might take me a few minutes. Donald Trump has never been on any plane with Jeffrey Epstein, unlike Bill Clinton. Didn't last week that he was flying on his plane during his campaign?

Jeffrey Epstein is dead? No, his former, the plane that he formerly owned when he was still alive. No, no. Jeffrey Epstein was in France, landed in Newark, and was arrested by Trump's Department of Justice.

Fact. Obama never arrested Jeffrey Epstein. His jet is being used as part of the Trump show. Bush never arrested Jeffrey Epstein. Clinton never arrested Jeffrey Epstein. Yet Donald Trump did. I don't care who arrested him. I care who said he was a longtime friend and joked about it and also flew on the things. He said this in 2002. He said that he's known for 15 years. He never flew on the plane. Yes, he did. Let me ask you a question, since you care so much about kids.

Do you care about the 320,000 missing kids under Kamala Harris's watch here in the country right now? Can you say that that is a human rights problem? What? What missing kids? 320,000 sex slaves that are missing from the southern border according to the Department of Homeland Security. Uh, I fail to see how this is Kamala's fault specifically. Because she's the border zombie. Hey guys, when has anyone ever called her that who isn't a Republican?

She's in charge of the border. No, she hasn't. She called herself in charge of the border. But anyway, the point is this. Being in charge of the border, can you at least acknowledge 320,000 missing kids? Bad thing. Yeah, I don't like missing kids. Okay, great. So then we should have Donald Trump back in the White House so we can find the missing kids and no longer sex slaves across the southern border. We agree, everybody, right? Yeah.

He wants mass deportation. That's not how you bust up the cartels. Hold on a second. We should deport the pedophiles that came and brought these kids across the border. We should depart the drug smugglers and depart all the people. I'm not talking about the people who are actually doing this. I'm talking about a blanket everyone who comes over. Because anyone who can talk about, hey, there's ex-abuses happening. They're going to get deported. Question. Would the mob ever have gotten busted if anyone who came forward had the threat of being deported?

No, obviously not. This isn't a serious solution. But hold on. How many cartel members has Kamala Harris deported? She's not deporting any of them. I don't know that off the top of my head. She hasn't. We are seeing almost no deportations and 10 million people have come to the country and 320,000 missing kids.

And so again, you're the one that brought up the kids issue. We already talked about gender freeing care. We talked about the kids being smuggled into the country here. And so I guess the question is, why should we vote for Donald Trump? We should vote for Donald Trump because he proved that the border was more secure,

kids were not being smuggled at the same level and yes donald trump is running on a message saying that we are going to make gender affirming care illegal just like the united kingdom has just like denmark has and just like most of europe has it is a tragedy and a horror what we've done in this country it's still legal in britain also no they paused it it's not it's not true also all the cast report came out that's all of it all of it a kid should not be able to chemically castrate themselves because they're going through a phase of something they saw on tick tock

Puberty is not the problem. Puberty is the solution. Wait until you're 18 to want to start to take TRT because you can make a very big mistake. This is why tattoos are illegal. This is why we do not allow kids to make irreversible decisions. Puberty is not a problem where you press a button and all of a sudden you can resume it or you can stop it.

Puberty is something that is an unbroken chain and as soon as you introduce hormones, it could destroy you for the rest of your life. Look at the detransitioners like Chloe Cole that cannot have children now because she took hormone blockers and she went under gender affirming care. What's the percentage of people who detransition? We don't know. We know over 20. We actually don't know the number because the government's not transparent.

27,000 kids that we know of have actively expressed transition regret. There are 1,000 doctors right now, 1,000 doctors in litigation of kids that say, I regret and I was lied to by these butchers and these medieval witch doctors that put me under the knife and made money off of me and I regret it. 1,000 doctors are currently being sued.

Did you know that? So I'm transgender. I'm actually I wasn't previously aware that it was so easy to get gender affirming care. You can get it in 45 minutes or less. That's not true. Yes, it is. You can do a Zoom call with a doctor, say you're a different gender, and they will send you hormone replacement therapy. They will not put you through psychiatric care or psychological care. Transgenderism is a symptom of other underlying issues by bipolar tendencies, schizophrenia, anxiety, depression. Instead, with kids, we shouldn't say, oh, we tell them.

that they have a body problem when in reality they have a brain issue that they're dealing with that needs counseling and love and compassion and guess what most kids grow out of it you do not need drugs. Yes it is. In fact, according to the United Kingdom, according to the most liberal countries in the world, bipartisan left-wing

studies show that- - Is it the CAST report? - Yeah, that's right. - The one that got- - Funded by the NHS. - The one that got discredited? The one that she walked back away from? - Discredit? It's not discredited. It's now the standard bearer of Western medicine. - The CAST report has been heavily decried by like every major- - Oh, like, decredited by like the trans lobby. It's not decredited by anybody. - The trans lobby? - Yes. - That's a thing now? - Yes. - That's awesome. - Okay, but I just, you say you care about kids. Do you think that a 16 year old ever might make a mistake?

Yes, obviously. So then shouldn't, do you think 16 year olds are more likely to make mistakes and get involved in fads and get involved in things that might be a problem than like a 20 year old? So you're trying to set me up. I don't think that being trans is like a fad or anything. We've been around for like forever. Like we, we can dig up our bones and see it. We can like read our stories.

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Wait, but hold on. If it's not a fad, why is it that this is clustered in so many separate school districts across the country? And these are school districts where one person becomes trans and their friends becomes trans, and then that district has a high affiliation of trans identity. Why does it happen in cloisters and pockets amongst friend groups, particularly female, by the way? If it's not a fad, why is that phenomenon that we've seen? So...

This might sound like a non sequitur, I swear. Have you heard of the rates of left handedness over time? Have you seen that graph that goes whoop? Yes, you know the difference between left handedness and trans care for youth?

You don't have to take drugs if you're left-handed. Here's the cool thing: you don't need to take drugs necessarily if you're trans either. Also, the cool thing about being left-handed and being transgender is that it actually is something that you're born with. Well, but you're not born with transgenderism. Transgenderism is a flawed social contagion that you absorb because of the environment around you. Nazi rhetoric, social contagion. Oh, Nazi rhetoric! When you lose a debate, call your opponent a Nazi instead of actually debating it. I didn't call you a Nazi, I said that's something that Nazis say. But let me ask you a question.

Hitler had a dog. Hitler was a vegetarian and went through this poor. He also drank water. Yeah, that's right. Of course, do you? This is the most important question. What is objectively a woman? Someone who identifies as a woman. Okay, so that is not a definition. That is circular reasoning. That's like saying a hat is something that looks like a hat. So you have to give a definition of what a woman is.

What is a chair, Charlie? Well, a chair is what a human being sits on when answering questions from confused trans activists at University of North Texas.

Nice take. What about... No, but, no, answer the question. Answer the question. What is a woman? You have to give an objective definition. You can't just circular it, right? You can't, you can't say a chair is what looks like a chair. You have to... All language is fundamentally circular. Well, but all language is fundamentally... It's an identity. Hold on a second. All language is fundamentally definitional. So we have words that transcend history of right, wrong, good, evil, moral, unjust, so therefore male, female. That distinction is what matters a lot in civilization, so therefore what is a woman?

So you're gonna keep asking the same question I'm gonna keep answering. Anyone who identifies as a woman is a woman. No, but you have to give me a definition of that. So let me ask it a different way. When is womanhood achieved? That's a great question. I don't know.

Hold on. Hold on. Please, please. Do you understand the importance of that question? Because you say that anyone who thinks they could be a woman, there must be then a moment when womanhood is accomplished.

When does someone become a man? Well, you don't become a man, you are a man. I was born a man. X, Y chromosomes. So zero years old, a man? Well, from X, Y, X, X, yes. A boy becomes a man through a series of developments. Is that what you're saying as far as like when a boy no longer becomes man? My point is that like for centuries, maybe millennia, I don't know. We've been like being like, what does it mean to be a man?

There's all sorts of different definitions. There's a hit song where it's like, how many rows must a man walk down before he can call him a man? No, but that's not what I'm asking. The asking is an objective, because it is incumbent on trans activists, of which you are one, to say, this is what a woman is and what a man is, and just saying it is when someone thinks one, it doesn't actually answer the question. We're just going in circles, just using the term to define the question...

to answer the question. I guess just like, why does it matter? Got it. So it matters because you come up with a shirt saying don't mess with trans kids and I don't even know what a trans kid is because you can't tell me what a woman or a man is so I don't know who to mess with and not to mess with because you can't tell me what a woman or a man is and it matters also because if we do not have objective definitions in society then all of a sudden you have men going in female locker rooms you have men competing in female sports and therefore- This is already illegal.

Well, it's not illegal. Riley Gaines lost the national championship to a biological male in the NCAA swimming championship. Should have swam better. Should have swam better against a man?

Sports agencies have been looking at this for like decades. This is settled science. You guys see the cruelty of the trans agenda? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're telling the... Yeah, no, it's... No, no, this is telling the women of America... The Olympics made the decision like over 20 years ago that... I'm not talking about the Olympics. Hold on, hold on. I'm talking about the Olympics because they're a very respected sports organization. Not by me. Okay, whatever. I'm going to keep talking anyways.

Why did it take 20 years after trans people were allowed into the Olympics before one even qualified? They shouldn't be in the Olympics. Why did it take that long? That's not my question. Great question, because more people are identifying as trans. Why do you think that there's a 13,000% increase in trans identification of youth? Have they always been that way, or is there a social contagion component? I haven't seen that number. I don't know the exact statistics of it. It's a hockey stick. Let me ask a question. I have no doubt that it's going up, like,

Why do you think it's going up? Like relatively quickly, it's because of relative social acceptance, the same thing as not tamed dates. Ah, so they've always been there and now they're accepting. You don't think anything's influencing them? Yes, before you used to kill us and we used to closet ourselves. Well, no, we never used to kill you. What used to happen is that... Yeah, transgender people were never killed. You know what used to happen is that people who think they were transgender would wait a little bit and get older and realize, oh, that was a phase, just like being a goth or cutting myself or listening to bad music.

Transgenderism is a phase that we are making seem a medical condition in this country, putting a bunch of hormones on, throwing a bunch of medication, and guess what? Companies are making billions of dollars off of the suffering of trans youth, and it's evil, and it's wrong, and it's cruel. Thank you so much. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us is always freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.

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