Matt Gaetz Speaks
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And even though there might be bumps along the road, things are going quite well. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Become a member today, members.charliekirk.com. And right out of the gate, we have a special treat for you. Somebody in very, very high demand, somebody that I went to the mat for. We definitely had a very eventful week together, but you don't always get what you want. And he is a great American patriot and someone I'm excited to talk to today. It is Matt Gaetz.

Matt, welcome to the program. Matt, I know this last week was a roller coaster for you. How are you holding up, Matt? I'm great. I am so excited about where this transition stands. And I know there are people disappointed that I won't be the next Attorney General. But you have to understand, this is the political process.

And sometimes the path you're on is one that takes you to a different place, and it can be a glorious place. My good friend Pam Bondi is going to be a phenomenal attorney general for Donald Trump. She has the legal acumen. She hates criminals. She is a bright legal mind and a fellow Floridian. So...

I think that even though the path will take me to a different station in life and a different place to fight for our agenda and President Trump, we've got a great person in place. And I enjoyed the time on the Hill, frankly, talking with senators. And we had great momentum when people got to hear my vision for the Department of Justice, taking out the weaponization, implementing the president's immigration agenda.

changing the Office of Civil Rights to actually fight for the free speech on college campuses that so many of your viewers and listeners care about, attacking the precursors to fentanyl and dismantling the censorship industrial complex. That's exactly the work that Pam Bondi is highly qualified to do. And again, while our discussions were going well,

I found myself having to do two jobs at one time, Charlie, and you got a front row seat to this. I had a full-time job explaining to senators that maybe a tweet I sent about them was rash and not reflective of how I would serve as Attorney General. And at the same time, I was having to build out the Department of Justice with the right human talent, the right policy infrastructure. And Pam Bondi's confirmation won't have some of the sharp edges that mine would have if it

take the same long process. So AG Bondi will be able to start implementing those Trump policies right away. So we're ready on day one.

We remember that it was the Department of Justice with Sally Yates on day one of the last Trump administration where a lot of our agenda was scuttled, where they started the whole Russia hoax nonsense, where they limited the president's ability to do what was necessary on some immigration fronts. And so with Pam Bondi ready on day one, we're going to be so much more successful. And now you and me and the rest of the America First Army, we're going to get right back to work

scouring for talent. And you and I have been very involved at Mar-a-Lago at finding patriotic Americans who want to do incredible service, not for themselves, for the country, and putting them in a position to succeed. So I might not lead the league in scoring in the upcoming few months, but I want to lead the league in assists. I want to help you find those great folks, get them in great position, and see that President Trump

is a historically successful president. So Matt, I want to build that out and continue to go into that. But first, I just want to address some of the speculation. Some people say it was, you know, the House Ethics Report. Some people say that there were five immovable senators. I just want to briefly touch on this, Matt, because there was so much media nonsense around it and lies about you and your character. And I was out there defending every single day. I just want you to opportunity to address that.

Once and for all, we can kind of put this to rest. Matt, what happened here? Yeah, there is a play that is run in Washington when they're trying to smear somebody. And, you know, they go and dredge up false years old allegations of the most salacious and clickbait-y flavor possible.

And in this case, those allegations were coming from sources that Merrick Garland's DOJ had already deemed not credible. Like if the things that the House Ethics Report were true, I would be under indictment and probably in a prison cell. But of course, they're false. Because when you test them against other records, when you test them against other testimony, it all falls apart very quickly.

But I was dealing with a politically motivated body. They didn't like me because of what I did to Kevin McCarthy. All of them were handpicked by Kevin McCarthy. They had an axe of crime. So that was going to serve as at least enough of a basis to delay my confirmation as attorney general. And I could have answered all those questions. I could have.

engaged in a months-long fact battle, but we don't have months to go through that. We got to have an AG ready to go day one to implement the immigration agenda and work on the other key policy deregulatory objectives of the president. Then as it relates to where the Senate was, Charlie,

Look, there were senators that had not gotten the yes. And what I can tell you is the movement was unidirectional. The more I got to talk to senators, the more they started to understand that these priorities of mine would bring the country together. They would get the Justice Department back on track. And frankly, they're going to be the priorities of the Trump administration under a fantastic Attorney General, Pam Bondi. I know what an immigration hardliner Pam Bondi is. I know that she's got no tolerance for the censorships.

I know that she actually was part of the election integrity infrastructure in Florida that became the model for the country. And she can deliver that election integrity through our civil rights division. So it was more a matter of pace than anything. And the pace was just going to be too, too long for me. And with someone like Pam that we can put right there in that spot, we're going to be far more successful as an administration.

So Matt, I now have to ask about just what your plans are. And it's okay if you have to punt on it because you might not know. It's important to know you resigned from this Congress, not the next Congress. Our audience is 100% behind Matt Gaetz, by the way. They are very, very upset that you will not be able to get all the way to Attorney General. I have to ask, what is next for Matt Gaetz?

I'm still going to be in the fight, but it's going to be from a new perch. I do not intend to join the 119th Congress. There are a number of fantastic Floridians who've stepped up to run for my seat, people who have inspired with their heroism, with their public service. And I'm actually excited to see Northwest Florida go to new heights and have great representation. Charles, I've been in an elected office for 14 years.

I first got elected to the state house when I was 26 years old, and I'm 42 now. And I've got some other goals in life that I'm eager to pursue with my wife and my family. And so I'm going to be fighting for President Trump. I'm going to be doing whatever he asks of me, as I always have. But I think that...

eight years is probably enough time in the United States Congress. You know, in Florida, our voters got to vote on term limits for state government and that the campaign was eight is enough. And so you can only do eight years in the Florida House of Representatives.

And so it seems like a pretty poetic time to allow that great new blood to come in, to allow my district to have high quality representation. And don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. I'm not taking off for like, you know, a tropical excursion.

For the rest of my life, I am here to help save this country. And one thing you know, the great patriots at Turning Point know, we need people at every level. We need brilliant lawyers on the outside. We need tough congressmen and congresswomen on the inside. We need a leadership structure under President Trump that's going to allow for durability of our movement and the ability to continue this great movement.

realignment of our politics. And so I'll play a part in that. I plan to be a big voice, but maybe not as an elected member of the government.

Matt, you say here in your tweet, I look forward to continuing to fight to save our country, just maybe from a different post, American flag. So I guess we'll just wait and see. Is that fair to say, Matt? Yeah, I think that we've got a lot of work to do within the Trump administration to find other great folks for great things. I'm going to play a key role in that. And you know what? I'm going to have a lot more to say about this in Arizona at America Fest. I'm going to be speaking there.

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who we all know is the worst of the worst, endorsed Mike Rogers to become FBI director. Andy McCabe went on CNN and said it's a totally reasonable and logical selection to nominate to lead the agency, pointing to his knowledge of the intel community and his experience at the FBI. So Andy McCabe has endorsed Mike Rogers. How should we think about this, Matt Gaetz?

Well, I thought I had the worst day for prospects of serving in the Department of Justice. But if Andy McCabe endorsed Mike Rogers and that information gets to President Trump, and I suspect it will, I don't think it will do very well for Mike Rogers' case. I was for Mike for Senate. It's unfortunate that he ran a few points behind the president and didn't prevail there. But I think that Mike Rogers will be asked really tough questions from some of the civil libertarians in the Republican conference today.

about just how robust the surveillance state should be. We've seen the surveillance state weaponized against Republicans and Democrats alike. We've seen the Constitution torn asunder in the desire to allow the FBI to be very snoopy. And Mike Rogers has been a champion for the most aggressive actions in that respect. And I think that President Trump wants to see more reform there probably than Mike Rogers does.

Let's play cut 82. Yeah, this is Mike Rogers, some of his thoughts on President Trump. Play cut 82. I don't believe today as I'm sitting here that Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee in 2024. Don't believe it. I don't think it's helpful for the President of the United States to attack the media. It's petty, and it's certainly below the stature of the office of the President of the United States. It's beneath the office in and of itself. Actions and activities unbecoming of the office of the President of the United States.

I don't want to spend too much time on your valuable time, Matt, on this, but it seems as if he's not exactly a fan of President Trump and him becoming FBI director. I think his odds are decreasing in real time. And closing here, Matt, we have a mandate. We have a mandate to fix the DOJ and fix the FBI. You mentioned some of this previously, but what are some of the other things that you had to really think about this last week, Matt? You had to really go into planning mode.

because you were the Attorney General designate. What specific items did you come up with in the last week as you went through these briefings and these transition meetings that you want to share with our audience of action items for Pam Bondi, Todd Blanch, and the incoming Department of Justice team?

There's going to be a lot of self-deporting at the Department of Justice. That was happening when I was the Attorney General Designate. I'm sure it will continue with Pam Bundy because people know that reform is coming. We're not going to be doing things the same way we used to do them. And so you're going to have a lot of positions to fill.

And one of the most important things for us to do is get really bright lawyers, not from just inside the beltway of Washington, but from the great DA offices around the country, from state attorneys general, who have people who feel that call to come and help us reclaim the Department of Justice as a valued institution constrained by the Constitution, not as the enforcement wing of the political left in the country. And we've seen that.

under both President Trump and President Biden, it must change. The other thing is a bit granular, but I think people will understand it. When you have the recalcitrants who dig in and want to do things like change FISA applications illegally and fraudulently to ensnare President Trump or other Republicans,

You have to put those people on the line. You have to take those people out of their big cushy offices in the Kennedy building or in the Hoover building, and you've got to send them out into the field prosecuting crimes in Indian country or working in litigating sections of the department.

And if you do that, I think some of the folks who prefer to play politics than follow the facts and the law will indeed leave the Department of Justice, creating more opportunity for those patriotic Americans that we've discussed. Also, there has to be a real effort from the Office of Personal Management from the very, very beginning to figure out who was breaking the law with FISA.

and then fire those people. When Inspector General Horowitz, who was appointed by Obama, reviewed their conduct, they were breaking the law 38 times an hour. They were spying on their ex-lovers, their neighbors, their spouses, co-workers, and the people that did that, if they are fired for cause, then it will have a very cleansing and therapeutic effect throughout the department. Very quickly, what is your advice to Tulsi Bobby that you learned this last week that they should know to get across the finish line?

Spend as much time with senators as possible. My best moments were with some of my harshest critics, because when you lay out your plans and your agenda, how that's all going to fit together in great ways with the administration, senators will move. So don't give up on them. Work them hard and really have detailed plans. I didn't have senators asking me about anything other than the vision of the department, and everyone should follow that advice. Matt Gaetz, big things are coming for you. I know it. Thanks so much.

As always, you can email us, freedom at charliekirk.com. I want to dive deeper into President Trump's policy agenda. And joining us now is a great friend and warrior for liberty, Brooke Rollins, founder and CEO of America First Policy Institute. Brooke, great to see you. Oh my goodness, Charlie Kirk. How have we not ever done this before? I mean, you've been like my buddy for a decade and I'm not taking it personal.

but I'm really glad I'm on with you this morning. Well, we're going to make up for lost time, Brooke, and you've been so good to me and to Turning Point. So let's start with the breaking news. Pam Bondi has been very involved with AFPI the last couple of years. Tell us about this excellent selection of Pam Bondi as Attorney General.

Well, listen, Pam Bondi, I just, in fact, just got off the phone with her to get onto your show. She helped us at the very dark days, Charlie. There weren't a lot of us that were still in the MAGA, America First, Donald Trump, you know, Keep Marching Forward world, early 2021. A lot of people thought the movement was dead. We, of course, knew better. But Pam Bondi, from the moment we even discussed

putting together a massive new effort that is founded on the first term of President Trump's policy wins. For the next 100 years, Pam was there. She is a warrior. She built our litigation team. Of course, her time in Florida as Attorney General, she was tough, she was smart, but she was beloved. I mean, she is the epitome of the America First movement, and she's going to crush it as AG.

Yeah, and the liberals, the left, they're losing their mind. I want to play this from MSNBC yesterday and get your reaction, Brooke. Just this outrageous reaction from, I think it's Ari Melber. And, you know, they're not having a good couple of weeks and it's not going to get better. Play cut 80.

Pam Bondi is exactly what I was saying in the last segment that we should all fear because she's competent. We may not agree with her ideologically, but she actually knows how to do this job. So if anyone on the Democratic side or anyone who cared about liberty or justice was thinking, well, maybe Matt Gaetz will screw this up and that'll give us some time. No, Pam Bondi knows what she's doing. She knows what she's doing about

immigration. Remember, Florida is one of those states that's been very aggressive about migrants and deportation and moving people to different states and everything else like that. Florida has enacted all sorts of rules and laws to to curtail students and what they can do on campuses and finding legal justifications for manipulating education money. She is a dangerous and effective pick. And that's frankly worse than what we would have got with Matt Gates, even with the deplorable moral background that he has.

has. Yeah, and I want to discuss that with a little more depth with both of you, including her record on civil rights, LGBTQ rights, and other issues that are front and center at the DOJ, which we know were also big campaign issues this cycle. Brooke, I mean, I can't think of a better endorsement. Brooke Rollins. I can't believe, for the

For the first time in the history of all time, I actually agree with someone on MSNBC. Like, this is a banner day for a lot of different reasons. But listen, they're right. They're completely right. She is competent. She knows what she's doing. She was one of the most, if not the most successful state attorney general. And Charlie, you and I have long so believed that the states really are the guardians at the gate.

and that, you know, coming up through the state process and building a book of, a book of business and policy wins in the States is really perhaps the best way to prepare for a big job like attorney general. I think this is maybe his most important pick. Um,

Others may disagree with that, but I think, you know, treasury, commerce, education, those are all extremely important game-changing positions. But this position, attorney general, I believe could be the most important. And I think he's got an absolute winner in Pam Bondi.

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Let's go through just quickly some of the policy. What would you like to see the Department of Justice do from a policy perspective? We're obviously going after child sex trafficking, cracking down on illegal immigration. What policies would you like to see the Department of Justice focus on? Listen, the two you just mentioned are top of the list, but for me personally,

we have a once in a lifetime, perhaps once in a country's history time, an opportunity to de-weaponize government. And we all know this, right? We turn into a banana republic. President Trump was facing almost a thousand years in prison for some documents. I mean, this was insanity. They tried to put him in jail. They tried to impeach him. They tried to kill him. And so the DOJ and

what Pam will eventually lead pending Senate confirmation, which I see no problem there, is the absolute most important thing, I think, that the Department of Justice and one of the most important things, I think, that this next administration must tackle and win, and that is taking the government out and getting the weaponization out of our government. And that's what I think Pam will lead, and I think she'll be very successful.

So I want to kind of go around the horn here, but I want to play one more piece of tape here of Pam Bondi's record when it comes to illegal immigration, which again, the Department of Justice has been like a sister agency for the open borders agenda. When she was Attorney General of Florida, she would go after illegal migrants that were coming into Florida, and the Department of Justice plays a very important role.

role there. I don't think we have that tape, but let's just broaden it more, Brooke. Brooke, what would you say of the other personnel and policy positions that President Trump has selected? Let's go around the horn from Bobby Kennedy to Linda McMahon to Tulsi Gabbard. What is your analysis of the team that President Trump is assembling? Well, first and to the original thought, the mass deportation, the securing our borders, I mean, they're

To keep America, that is absolutely top of the list. I think that Tom Homan with Kristi Noem and others are going to do a great job. But to your point, Charlie, you're always right that that partnership with the DOJ is going to be absolutely paramount to being able to succeed at that.

Going around the horn, you know, I've been talking a lot about the election of 1800 when there was a massive inflection point, right? George Washington said, I'm going to step away. No one could believe it. No one had ever walked away from power before. Thomas Jefferson won that race. You then fast forward to the 1860-64 with Abraham Lincoln and his team of rivals, another inflection point in American history. Then you move into the 1920s, FDR, 1930s, another inflection point.

Well, Charlie, in 500 years, they're going to talk about 2024 as the fourth inflection point in American history and perhaps the point that saved America and our founding father's vision of the Constitution and freedom and liberty. And so the team that he has assembled,

from the incredible Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy. I know, Charlie, you've been such a big part of that, the Doge effort, too, the Tulsi Gabbard, the John Ratcliffe, the Bobby Kennedy. I mean, whoever. Charlie, when you and I started working together a decade ago, I'm not sure that we would have, we certainly would have dreamt of a moment like this, but I'm not sure that either one of us could have ever hoped for this sort of team of rivals, of game changers, of transformational figures all

all coming together to meet the moment, to live in this miracle that we find ourselves in, the big win from two weeks ago, but now the most important part, the opportunity to really govern and take our country back is remarkable. We're living in the middle of history. We truly are. And I want to dive even deeper into this because the policy side of this is incredibly important. I know you focus this primarily at AFPI. And so what can be done day one, first,

from fulfilling some of these campaign mandates? I know you've done a lot of this work from day one executive orders and personnel as policy. Educate our audience on what we can do day one to hit the ground running. Well, in answering that, let me take us back in just a little bit of a historical walk.

You know, Charlie, the fourth year I was with the president for three years in the last White House, managed a lot of big projects. But the last year I was his domestic policy chief and really spent a good part of that year mapping out his second term. So I knew that November 3rd was the election, fully expected the win November 4th.

Term two would begin, and we were going to be, for the first time, incredibly organized and intentional and strategic. More tax cuts, a more secure border, all the things that we had finally begun to figure out in that first term.

Well, as we know, that contiguous second term did not happen. So as we were dealing with what was a taken election from President Trump in 2020 to January 6th, which a lot of darkness had descended into Washington and onto the America First movement,

In my heart, I knew that if we could keep the momentum, if we could build an organization, if we could have a 100-year plan that was based on the winning of the policy in that first term, no more Republican establishment, Republican business as usual. This was the new way forward. And in so doing, we would build a massive tent of new people that Charlie, youth, you know, Black, Hispanic, et cetera. So we built an entire effort

around that first term. But what I was really working to do is no matter who the next America first president was in that January of 2021, we would begin building in preparation for that day, hopefully in four years from 21. But if it was eight years or 12 years, we would be ready. The Democrats are always ready. And our side kind of shows up and we're like, oh, we're governing now. What do we do? That that would never happen.

happen again. So for almost three plus years, very quietly under the radar, we never talked to press about it. We had almost 950 former Trump administration officials quietly writing the agency plans, preparing the 300 executive orders, making sure that we had the rules and regulations organized and ready. And so obviously tracking with the president and

Every time at a rally, he'd say on day one, this is what we're going to do. We would write it down and begin mapping out how to actually achieve that in every single lane of policy. So what a joy now to see that hopefully a lot of that work is used and

maybe most of it, but I think that we're going to be ready in a way, and the president is going to have one of the most remarkable, if not the most remarkable, four years in American history. I love it. Brooke, thank you so much for all of that. And the personnel is policy. As we build the personnel team, policy will be implemented. Please share the website one last time, Brooke, for our audience.

AmericaFirstPolicy.com and our C4, America First Works, which is taking the policy alongside Turning Point Action into every corner of the country as we keep building the winning machine for the future. Brooke, love working with you. Thank you so much. See you soon. You're the best, Charlie. Thank you.

Thank you. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. I want to remind you to get your tickets right now to America Fest. Matt Gaetz will be there. Tucker Carlson will be there. Ben Carson will be there. Matt Welsh will be there. Michael Knowles will be there. And Danica Patrick. Some major, major names. That's amfest.com. Let's play Cut 41. What you represent, your presence here, that the largest multi-day event in conservative grassroots history is a message that will be heard by these people.

The stakes are high. We have no two fights.

amfest.com. So check it out right now. A-M-F-E-S-T.com. That is amfest.com. As always, you guys can email us freedom at charliekirk.com. I want to just go into one of these stories here as we wrap up this hour. It is going to be very interesting to see what is the direction of the Democrat party from this point forward. This is, I believe her name is, I can't remember her name. I don't want to, Ms. Crockett, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, Ms. Crockett.

who kind of gives you a little bit of a foreshadowing of where the Democrat Party is going to go. If you think they're going to moderate themselves, they are going to double and triple down on race politics because race politics is the life force of the Democrat Party. And as American politics becomes less and less racialized,

and merit and class become more emphasized and race and gender become less emphasized, where are the Democrats going to go? Play cut 85. It's because you can then misuse words like oppression. There has been no oppression for the white man in this country. You tell me which white men were dragged out of their homes. You tell me which one of them got dragged all the way across an ocean and

And told that you are going to go at work. We are going to steal your wives. We are going to rape your wives. That didn't happen. That is oppression. We didn't ask to be here. We're not the same migrants that y'all constantly come up against. We didn't run away from home. We were stolen. So yeah, we are going to sit here and be offended when you want to sit here and act like and don't let it escape you.

That it is white men on this side of the aisle telling us people of color on this side of the aisle that y'all are the ones being oppressed, that y'all are the ones that are being harmed. So I suppose that that is supposed to be some sort of rallying cry for the Democrat Party, where she's trying to say that the color of your skin should determine and dictate

whether or not you have a right to be able to talk about oppression. It's very interesting. I would love her thoughts on Daniel Penny right now. Love her thoughts. What does she think what's happening to Daniel Penny in New York right now? Do you think that Daniel Penny would be on this Moscow style show trial in the city of New York if he was anything but a Marine, a veteran, Marine veteran, white, straight Christian man?

By the way, I'm curious what she thinks about affirmative action. Affirmative action is hostile anti-white acceptance policies in higher education and hiring practices in the federal government. The Democrat Party is going to go further and further in this direction. They think they did not play race politics enough. They think they underplayed their hand of the radical elements of their party.

If you think the Democrat Party is going to come together and kind of become a more moderate version of their former selves and embrace free speech and embrace openness and dialogue, you are mistaken. In the DNA, in the fiber, in the modus operandi, in the standard operating procedure of the Democrat Party is race Marxism, is this belief that the structures around us are configured in a way that

If you are a quote unquote person of color, that you must tear down the systems around you and continue the revolution against the white man. There's a civil war right now and the moderates are getting a few shots in, but they're being told to shut up. And the Bolsheviks and the race Marxist revolutionaries, they will be successful and the Democrat Party will become even more radical. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

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