Is College Football Ruined Forever?
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We are going to have Jason Whitlock on the program in just a second, a host of Fearless with Jason Whitlock. In the meantime, I want to play some pieces of tape here from President Trump's excellent sit-down interview with Meet the Press and Kristen Welker. He didn't have to do this. He sat down at length.

and went through a variety of different topics with her. Let's go to this first one here, on whether or not the United States will stay in NATO. Play cut eight. - NATO's taking advantage of us because we would go, look, two things.

Number one, they take advantage of us on trade, meaning the European nations. Okay, like terrible. They don't take our cars. They don't take our food product. They don't take anything. They think it's a disgrace. And on top of that, we defend them. So it's a double whammy. So let me just tell you.

I was able to get hundreds of billions of dollars put into NATO just by a tough attitude. I said to the countries, I'm not going to protect you unless you pay. And they started paying. And that amounted to more than $600 billion. That's a big thing. Otherwise, they wouldn't even be fighting. They wouldn't have any money to fight.

if they're paying their bills and if I think they're treating us fairly, the answer is absolutely, I'd stay with NATO. You understand, even with those preconditions, many in D.C. are very upset with that answer. But why would we be part of a membership organization that does not benefit our own country? NATO is basically dependent on only two countries, the United States of America and Germany. Basically, the entire project hinges on two countries. Now, the North Atlantic Commission

treaty organization has been around in a rules-based international order post-World War II.

And the idea of NATO was always to be a check on the Soviet Union. Okay. But now they're kind of reigniting their mission and their purpose as the Russian-Ukrainian war is ongoing. On the NATO website, they say, NATO condemns Russia's war against Ukraine in the strongest terms. Our alliance remains steadfast. Now they want to include Ukraine in NATO. And remember, I believe it's Article 5, Article 4, Article 5, Article 5, which says an attack on one is an attack on all.

which means that an errant missile in a NATO country could involve American troops involved in a conflict all the way in Europe. President Trump continued on his America First focused answers, talking about Mexico and Canada. Play cut 10. We're subsidizing Canada to the tune of over $100 billion a year. We're subsidizing Mexico for almost $300 billion.

We shouldn't be subsidizing. Why are we subsidizing these countries? If we're going to subsidize them, let them become a state. We're subsidizing Mexico and we're subsidizing Canada and we're subsidizing many countries all over the world. And all I want to do is I want to have a level, fast, but fair playing field. And understand, when it comes to how we deal with Mexico and Canada, this is an idea that even Ross Perot ran on in the early 1990s.

Now, Donald Trump wants trade that has reciprocity. When you are not able to import certain products into other countries and they're able to dump their products, specifically with China, less to an extent of Canada and Mexico, definitionally, you are not able to then have American industry. Our country cannot only be real estate and hedge funds. You need to make stuff. You need to have a muscular class that is able to be productive.

Joining us now on this topic and many others is a great man, Jason Whitlock, host of Fearless with Jason Whitlock. Jason, welcome to the program. Jason, I'm going to talk about a different topic, actually, one that is far more important than Syria, far more important than trade. It's the 12-team college football playoff.

And so I, is the 12 team playoff ruining college football or is it saving college football? Well, you're talking to someone who's always been against the playoff system. Always.

So even when there was just four teams and two teams or whatever, I was always like, hey, college football is not broken. It's a unique system that the regular season is the most meaningful and impactful in all of sports. And so you're talking to someone that has a pretty clear cut position. I'm not a fan.

of the 12 team playoff. I did enjoy this past weekend, the conference championships, thought those games were amazing. And, you know, so I somewhat enjoyed what transpired this weekend in terms of people's, in terms of teams getting into the playoffs or whatever. But when you're down to debating who's number 12, it's really not much of a debate. I think Oregon is the best team.

And, you know, I think maybe Georgia, maybe Tennessee, maybe Texas are on their level. But Oregon is clearly the best team in college football, and I don't need a playoff to confirm what my eyes have seen. Well, you're going to find no disagreement here on this program, as I'm a big Ducks fan. My dad, my uncle, my aunt all went to University of Oregon. I grew up a big Ducks fan. However, in this new 12-team configuration, it seems as if Oregon has the hardest path

in this bracket than even the teams that they beat. Boise State, who they beat, and Penn State, who they beat, has an easier path. How did that happen? What does it even mean to be the number one seed anymore in the college football playoff? It means if there's a possibility of screwing something up,

The NCAA college athletics will take advantage of that opportunity. They should have been able to see this coming, that there's no way Oregon should be facing a more difficult task than Penn State. It's Georgia is facing a more difficult path.

It's stupid. They screwed this up. They'll correct it next year. I like the way Dan Lanning, the Oregon coach, handled it, though. Instead of whining and complaining, he said, hey, it's a great challenge. We're playing for a national championship, and we're not going to duck any challenges, so we're good to go. He's got the right mindset. I think they'll survive the struggle, but it is –

Just one of those oversights as they overlooked an opportunity to get this thing right coming out the gate. I do have one more question on the college football thing, because it actually has a legislative and a policy angle. There is going to be a very big push this spring. Probably Nick Saban will end up being the kind of consensus figurehead to fix NIL. Does it need to be fixed, Jason? If so, how can we even think about this or approach this?

Yeah, it needs to be fixed. But the solutions that I used to talk about 25, 30 years ago no longer apply because I used to want to attach, hey, look, there's a handful of athletes, you know, let's say 300 in major college football, 75 or so guys in major college basketball that need to be paid.

And now we're paying everybody and it's just, you know, it's just, it's professional sports now and everybody's the wild, wild West. But my solutions used to be attached to making sure that these guys graduated and paying them at the end of their college careers upon graduation. Now in my mindset now where I,

I pretty much hate all these universities and colleges. I'm not sure forcing these guys to be educated or indoctrinated at a college is actually the right incentive. But yeah, there has to be some sort of salary cap or some sort of

I don't know, some sort of fairness introduced rather than who is it? Was it Larry Ellison and Dave Portnoy that just bought Michigan's next quarterback, Bryce Underwood? I'm just not sure if that's a sustainable structure. Yeah. And I just, again, there needs to be something

still authentic and non-commercialized. It is so clear what the committee did here. They knew what they were doing. They wanted a ratings Rose Bowl of ducks versus bucks. That's what they wanted. They wanted an Oregon, Ohio state Rose Bowl because all these other matchups are a little goofy like SMU and not exactly that will draw the eyeballs. So they wanted a beautiful Rose Bowl at 5 PM Eastern on New Year's day. I think it's all,

rigged however it's okay that'll be the mini national championship like a national championship play it for the right to play arizona state or whomever

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All right, so there is this story that broke late last night of Jay-Z, who was named in a civil lawsuit by Tony Busby, who's a serious lawyer, who also defended Ken Paxton in his impeachment trial. And then Jay-Z issued this crazy statement on X. Usually I don't cover any of the celebrity news, but Jason, look, I make a habit out of intentionally trying to know as little as possible about random celebrities.

So tell me about this, Jason, and educate me alongside the audience. Look, Charlie, this issue is actually very important. What has gone on in the music industry and particularly in commercial hip hop, it's the...

a partner of Epstein Island. It's the partner of sexually compromising certain influencers and celebrities and

and having dirt on them so that you can control them. There's no mystery why everybody in the music industry, everybody in Hollywood all support the same political party and the same ideology. It's because they're controlled. They don't have their freedom. And so for Jay-Z...

To be linked to the malfeasance, the criminality, the immorality of Sean Diddy Combs, I think is very, very important. I've never liked Jay-Z. I've never liked his music or I've never supported his music in terms of there's all of this attachment to the occult laced within Jay-Z's music.

And so I'm thrilled to see Jay-Z get exposed. I'm thrilled to see Diddy get exposed. Diddy had this whole voter die in support of the Democrat Party. These guys need to be exposed. Their music is a part of a promotion of a nihilistic mindset.

that fuels child sacrifice, child abuse. This is what's going on and what's being exposed in the music industry and throughout Hollywood speaks to our overall cultural decay. It speaks to how do you get a country in the mindset where a political platform is based on the abortion of children?

How do you get a country in a mindset where that's even a possibility that you're the number one focus of your political movement is, hey, we got to be able to kill babies when and whenever we want.

you do it by bathing the culture in a nihilistic mindset. And this, the music that Jay-Z and Diddy and hip hop produced is it all promotes supports, puts people in a nihilistic mindset. And so I'm, I think this is vital. I think this is the kind of stuff that,

that I hope Kash Patel and anybody else involved in law enforcement, the Department of Justice, we need to be looking into this. How did American culture get so rotten

one half of the country thinks killing babies is a constitutional right and, and the key to their freedom, this stuff is all connected. And so Jay-Z has been, uh, linked to, or in a lawsuit, uh, where he's accused of participating in the rape of a 13 year old girl. And Jay-Z's put out a statement threatening the lawyer that's, uh,

helping the young lady with this lawsuit or whatever. It does not surprise me that Jay-Z would be linked to this. If you listen to his music, if you listen to the visual symbols that he associated with his music and his music videos,

This is exactly the type of behavior that he would be involved in, and it needs to be exposed. And this is a serious lawyer by the name of Tony Busby who accuses, I mean, just this unspeakable crime in a civil lawsuit, mind you. Any other details about a minute remaining here, Jason, that are important in this lawsuit? I believe Busby is the lawyer that represented Deshaun Watson's account.

Deshaun Watson accusers, the NFL quarterback that had 25, 30 massage therapists come after him. And so his reputation is pretty well established in the Houston area.

He's pretty successful. He has not backed down. He put a, Jay-Z put out a statement last night about how honorable he is and how, you know, he doesn't understand. He's threatening Tony Busby. You don't understand where I come from. And it's all laughable to me. Jay-Z has bragged for years about being a drug dealer. And now he wants to talk about how honorable he is and how there was a code where he grew up, where we protected kids. So I'm like, really? By poisoning their parents?

by selling drugs throughout the community. That's how you protected kids.

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So Jason, moving on from the ugliness that you accurately described there.

I was watching football all weekend the best I could. I mean, we did have a big event, but even people around me, it was the joke. As soon as our big event ended at Mar-a-Lago, I had an iPad of the Big Ten Championship. You just, you can't get away with it, right? You're raised with it. It's very cathartic for me, kind of a way to kind of relax. And I was looking at these clips too of people sending me. There were a lot of vocal testimonies, more so than I've seen in quite some time,

talking about their faith in Jesus. This one in particular of this awesome coach, only lost to Oregon, mind you, of Boise State University. Keep your eyes on Boise State. Just amazing. Talking about how he baptized Ashton Gentry, who should win the Heisman, in my opinion. Just phenomenal. Let's play Cut 17. Thank you, Jesus. And...

I mean, Jesus deserves all the glory. I mean, we serve a champion. He died on the cross, but he rose again three days later. That's the God I serve, man. Everything's possible. And our players, they don't run from hard work. They just keep swinging, keep swinging, keep swinging. That's uncommon. They deserve the credit. Jesus deserves the credit. Jason, I don't know if we would have saw that five years ago on network TV.

Yeah, we would have seen a, hey, I just want to thank God and then keep it moving. But I think people now are being far more specific and far more bold in their proclamations. And it's a reflection of the time we're living in, Charlie. When you have this level of wickedness in the culture,

and, and, and, and people are seeing this and like, man, there's a lot of celebrities that seem to be endorsing this. There are people that's trying to, uh, make it clear. I'm not with that. And, and the best way to make it clear to say you're not with those people is to let everybody know who you are actually with. And it's Jesus Christ. And so, uh,

That's why I'm thankful for the level of wickedness that's out in the open and people are doing because it's forcing those of us that are believers to stand more boldly and to quit apologizing about our Christian faith. We've been closeted.

And now to see so many people boldly coming out of the closet about their faith and serving Jesus Christ. I've got a good friend that's on the coaching staff at Boise State. He's one of their defensive coordinators. He's told me about the culture that they've established here at Boise State and just how much they lean into their faith.

And it's why they've achieved so much. It's why Ashton Jente has achieved so much. It's... I think a lot of people in sports, from Harrison Bucker to just a lot of people, are making it crystal clear. You're seeing more after-game and pre-game prayers on the field publicly. It's like, man, Tim Tebow was ahead of his time. If he was right here, if he was here now, he would be celebrated rather than vilified. Yeah, and let's try to...

kind of connect the dots of what happened in the election and then what happened was happening here with this, the more, let's just say, permission for people to say their private opinions and not be intimidated to do so. Was the election kind of a societal-wide permission slip that it's okay maybe to hold opinions that otherwise people would find to be, let's just say, verboten?

The election process, I would say, and the assassination attempt on President Trump was the real permission slip in my mind because when you saw that, watched that, man, that's a miracle. This man turned his head at the exact right time. Something is going on here. And to see President Trump

start to mature in his faith walk, I think made people say, well, hold on a minute. This guy's willing to risk his life, you know, and I'm not willing to just publicly state who I stand with and what my faith is. You got to be a pretty weak man to watch a 78-year-old risk his life

And then you're not willing to just say, hey, I'm with Jesus Christ. And so I think that was the...

permission slip and just the energy, the fuel necessary to get men to ante up. You know, as I said last year, throughout all of last year, and I can remember I talked about it at Amerifest, it's like, hey, men, we have to quit apologizing for being men. We have to quit apologizing for our beliefs. We have to move past

being afraid that we're going to be called an Uncle Tom or we're going to be called a racist or we're going to be called homophobic. We have to move past all that and stand on some values and some convictions and to speak them boldly and deal with the consequences. And like, holy cow, here we are a year later and everybody's doing this. It's kind of like the Trump dance.

And so what a time to be alive. I didn't know that it would happen this quickly, but it has. On top of that, I have a question about we're seeing some corporations and institutions retreat from diversity, equity, inclusion, and wokeism. Is that connected, Jason? No question about it. We can have so much impact.

If we just stood our ground, this fight, these people are cowards. I mean, the opposition are actual cowards.

And all we have to do is stand up and say, nah, we're not doing that. And so right here in Tennessee, you know our guy Robbie Starbuck. He's been a little one-man army going after these corporations and companies. And again, great guy. Robbie's had success in Hollywood. But he's just sitting here in Nashville, Tennessee, going after these corporations. And they're folding instantly. And so...

It's like the Wizard of Oz when you look behind the curtain and find out, well, man, that's a little punk. That's what these guys are. And, you know, thank God for Elon Musk buying X or buying Twitter and turning it into X.

Where we have now, and again, that's why I say this election process, because it ended up sweeping up Elon Musk and giving him more courage and giving him the energy or the resolve to make a $44 billion bet on free speech.

Holy cow. That's God. And I'm not even calling Elon Musk a religious or spiritual figure. I don't know where he is with his faith, but I know that God uses people to get things done that he wants done. And he's clearly being used no different than President Trump is being used to make sure that we have free speech so we can have freedom of religion.

It's been wonderful to see, again, President Trump, yourself, Robbie Starbuck, Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, all these people stand up and now to see other people falling and to see these corporations falling like dominoes because the

you know, we have finally said enough is enough. You make a really important point there that I want to emphasize. I believe that when Elon Musk purchased Twitter, it was the most significant purchase since the Louisiana purchase. And it was met with mockery and slander. However, if you really think about it, what purchase actually comes close to it

Jason, can you help build out that argument and strengthen it? If we could look at a place in time, the conservative movement was largely in the wilderness. We were really directionless and we were trying to figure out where we're going. President Trump, of course, was still the leader of the movement, was under siege and attack and was put in exile in the lawfare. And then all of a sudden things changed when Elon bought Twitter and changed it. Do you agree with that? There's no question about it. And

Listen, when Donald Trump started talking about fake news, fake news, fake news, fake news, I don't think Donald Trump fully understood what was the foundation of fake news. And it's

It was Twitter. Twitter was where all the lies got confirmed. And so if you wanted to write in the Washington Post, go on CNN or MSNBC and say, oh boy, the police, they're just out indiscriminately killing unarmed black men as they help old ladies across the street. You would then go to Twitter and see a bunch of tweets saying, yeah, you're right, the

The police are just, they're killing black men every single day that are helping old women cross the street. And then the newspapers would then quote, well, on Twitter, this lie was confirmed or this lie was said, and it must be the truth. And once Elon came in and said, no, I'm going to take over Twitter. I'm going to make these algorithms fair or eliminate these algorithms.

You could no longer confirm lies on social media. And Twitter's not as popular as Facebook or Instagram or probably even TikTok, but I always recognized that it was the most powerful tool

It was because all the media is there, all the influencers are there, everybody that's on TV and involved in that system of control, they're all on Twitter. And so if you could get them all saying the same lie, it would be believed and would be accepted as truth. And so, you know, you used to be able to go on Twitter and just say, well, that person over there with bat and balls is a woman.

And people on Twitter were confirming, yeah, you're right. A woman is just a feeling.

It's not XX chromosomes. It's a feeling. And if a man with XY and bat and ball says he's a woman, yes, we must all go along with his cosplay. We must all confirm his mental illness. And so there's been virtually nothing as transformative as Mr. Musk purchasing Twitter, turning it into X, making it

more fair and a place where truth and a, a, a true public debate can be had. Yes. It's, it's Elon Musk and Donald Trump branded it as fake news and Elon Musk getting swept up in, in,

Trump story and purchasing Twitter, it's really, it's saved America. It's made it possible for guys like me and you to exist. Wonderfully said. And yes, Twitter has always been the incubator of elite opinion.

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Why did this happen and do you see it continuing? Well, it happened because anytime you deny people masculinity, you make it scarce, you make it more valuable, you make it more attractive. And so I think many men have come into the understanding that we're in a battle of dominion and power

leadership and like who's going to actually lead is, are we going to give into the matriarchy or are we going to continue the patriarchy? And I think many men have come into the understanding that we have nothing to apologize for as men. The history makes sense. It, it, it, you know, the things that were established in the workforce, you know,

We're a product of necessity, not of, hey, we're going to be sexist. And so we're going to go out here and blow up mountains to pave a road through the West.

Women weren't saying, hey, I should be doing that. You know, men were doing that. Men were climbing up on top of skyscrapers and building these buildings. They were roughnecks and many of them fell to their death or got injured. Women weren't saying, hey, I want to do that. Women weren't saying, you know what, I should, you know, you guys are fighting with the Indians. I should be doing that.

It technology has fooled everybody into believing that women can do what men have done. And and so now that we all have DoorDash and no one actually has to go out and hunt if they don't want to. We've convinced ourselves that, you know what, man, if things have been right, women would have invented air flight. They would have been it would have been the right sisters, not the right brothers.

And it's just not true. Men by nature value freedom more than safety. Women by nature value safety more than freedom. We have a country that's built on freedom, and it's going to take men to protect that.

And so I just think people have come into a full understanding of how we got here, that we keep softening things and leaning more into feelings. Well, if you feel like a woman, I'm going to have to ignore your bat and balls.

That's something that only a feminized culture would buy into, that feelings control everything. At some point, data, logic,

truth, facts. And again, this isn't me taking a dump on women because, you know, love to death, can't live without them. They play a super, super valuable role in society, but they are a bit more controlled by their feelings than men. And that's harmful to a culture. And so when you sit there and say, well,

If all these illegal immigrants want to come through the border...

you know, I can, well, as a man, I'm like, no, man, we, we got to draw a line in the sand. There has to be rules to this house. Not everybody can just walk up into this house and claim that they're part owners of it. There's just tough things that men are going to have to do. And hopefully we're in the process of doing them. And, and Donald Trump has so represented like true male masculinity. And, and yes, I,

I wish that he spoke a little better sometimes, but not really. The man got shot in the face, stood up and said, fight, fight, fight. If you can't get behind that as a man, I feel sorry for you. And so I just I'll go back to the assassination attempt. It just kind of showed you who the real man was.

And and it exposed the Democrats and just how weak and emasculated and in my view, violent, irrationally violent that they are. And so I'm not surprised. And I do think the trend will continue as long as, you know, we don't.

get too intoxicated with our victory on November 5th and actually continue to do the work. Jason, thank you so much. Excellent commentary as always. Host of Fearless, thank you so much. Thank you, Charlie. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.