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Honored to be with you as always. The voice is hanging on. It's hanging in. It's hanging in. Andrew here is as a co-pilot with me. So with a lot of things happening right now, I think a good place to start is to recap our time with Mark McKinnon. Is that his name? Yeah, Mark McKinnon. He is of MSNBC fame as well as the circus on Showtime. So he's the creator of the circus. But if you go back further, he was actually a media...

I don't know. He sort of ran media and the Bush White House also for the McCain campaign. That being said, he's he's a very fair person. He goes on MSNBC all the time. And, you know, he called us up and was put in touch with us through some friends and just said, hey, I've been seeing what's going on on these college campuses and seen some of the videos on social media. I want to come see it for myself.

because I think it's a really powerful story that nobody's telling. We've been screaming from the rooftop, somebody tell this story, because you guys in the audience understand when Charlie goes to the college campuses, even four or five years ago, even three years ago, there might be 20, 30 people that come to greet him, and there would be equal number of protesters, sometimes more,

Now we go to college campuses and the crowds are so large that I think all the protesters are scared away. I mean, at UGA in Georgia, we had 5000 students. Please put some of that B roll up, please. Like 127. This this is so we go to college campuses and this is what we see now. A sea of people.

Young men and women, as far as the eye can see, Charlie trying to perfect his wrist action. Ultimate Frisbee. By the way, I tried and I got laughed at. I was trying to throw a hat. I was pretty good though, right? No, no, no. I get it. It's all in the wrist. But I was throwing and they were falling short and I thought, this is ridiculous. Charlie throws them like a mile out there. But that's practice. He's got practice. I have a funny story really quick. You know that in sixth grade, we had a very competitive Ultimate Frisbee team. I could throw a Frisbee like 100 yards.

Anyway. I believe it. Now you can see it. And look, go to 126, guys. Show 126. This is what I'm talking about. See that? That didn't happen. That did not used to happen. And a couple of things I think are at play. One, our social media has...

blown through the roof. Ryan, Emma, Daisy, all the team deserve a lot of credit for this. I mean, what is it? 650 million views on TikTok and YouTube in the last 60 days. Last 60 days.

And all these kids follow. They learn from Charlie how to debate some of the insanity that they see. And by the way, they're all hungry for it. They've all been told that they're the problem, that they are, you know, hopeless, that they're not going to have it as good as their parents are going to have, that they just need to kind of.

take down their expectations, bring them lower. You're not going to live the American dream. It's going to be the American dream, but downsize. There was a recent article that said something like that. You're going to live in an apartment instead of have a yard. All these kids are sick of this crap. And you know, the white men in particular are sick of being told they're the problem in society for existing, just for existing. They did nothing wrong. They just were born in America, presumably the greatest country on the planet. And yet they're the problem. And, and,

Charlie goes out there unapologetically. These videos become viral sensations. You probably... I mean, listen, I'm going to big you up because you wouldn't do it for yourself. You're the most viral thing on the right...

this entire election cycle besides Donald Trump and McDonald's. Okay. Like these videos are insane. All these kids are just like obsessed with them. All these adults are put some numbers in there. Uh, we have 150 million views on Tik TOK in the last week in the last seven days, make it 250 million. Charlie says, this is how we do it because Charlie just drives it. And just so everyone understands to get 150 million views on Tik TOK,

Ryan, what would that cost you? $10 million? Right? The dollar value. Advertisers would be sending us gazillions. I'm saying that these super PACs are spending hundreds of millions of dollars to influence, and this content actually influences. It's organic. We don't put a dime behind this. It's not like I'm Kamala Harris and I have a plan where people tune out. This is real stuff that people run towards. And that's just TikTok. Instagram has been amazing. Oh, Instagram. Absolutely. No offense, but I think

you probably have the most engaged pound for pound Instagram in the conservative movement as well. So the point is these, you know, Mark comes down, he says he wants to see it and his, he was blown away. He was absolutely blown away to his credit. He was curious enough to see it for himself and,

And Charlie, he just went on MSNBC last night to talk about it. You navigate us through the clips. It's a 123, 124 thing. 123 is the first one. So Mark told me he was doing this hit. So I said, are you going to tell anybody about what you saw? Because he's actually filming a documentary about this stuff. It's going to come out after the election. I was like, you should tell somebody what you saw. And he said, I absolutely am. So let's just play. Let's start with 123. And this is on Stephanie Rule's show, 124.

She's the Karen Wine Mom gal from MSNBC. 123. Mark, I turn to you because you went to a campus rally at the University of Georgia on Tuesday sponsored by Turning Point. What did you see? I couldn't even get through this plaza. It was so packed. They had 2,500 hats that they tossed out and ran out of and halfway through the program.

And they welcomed dissent. They asked Trump voters to get out of line and asked Harris voters to come and ask tough questions. And it was really interesting, but it was really counter to the narrative that you think because...

I didn't expect to see that many young men out in mass for Trump. But I think that there's a lot more going on under the radar with young men and something that's happening culturally and politically that has consequences not only for this election but well beyond. The only feedback, I will say, though, it wasn't as dominant men as he's making it. I think that kind of plays into it. But even when I said, I said, you know, just to be clear, Mark, afterwards,

That was about 60, 40 men. He agreed. So they're trying to create like a macro narrative out of this. And I get it. But Andrew, I just young ladies were screaming. I mean, let's I'm just going to be really like maybe a little too on the nose with this. We've got the frat guys. We've got the jocks. We've got the cool kids. We've got a lot of the libertarian guys. We've got like masculine men. And guess what?

You may not like hearing this, but young ladies like to also go where the young men are. Of course. And I would say that there was, you know, like, you know, at more than one of these campus stops this week. How many did we do this week? I don't know. It was like four. Did we do four? I did three. Prove me wrong. And just for the record, that's where I lose my voice is because you have to outdoor amplify. Right. Yeah. And so that that's where I get crushed. Well, but not to mention we did the evening event at UNC Chapel Hill. So it was four. Four and plus two Trump rallies. It's been a week, folks.

And then so so basically at more than one of these, I have had people come up to me and say, well, those are some very nice looking young ladies. Something like this. My point being is that when you've got the young men that are strong, that are masculine, that are the alpha males, you get the women, too. And by the way, Ryan, who's a wizard with this stuff and Daisy would agree, he's looking at our tick tock data.

just like the audience, 60% of our TikTok audience is male, 40% female. So that's about the clip. But there is something happening with young men. Of course, but that's not the takeaway from that event. Totally. And it's important. But there was actually, and this is my last thing I'll leave you with, there was a New York Times article that just dropped that said, for the first time since they've been recording the stats, young men are more religious than young women. That's worth diving into. That's huge. Yeah.

Two things. Number one, breaking news. This kind of goes to a theme. I don't want to get you guys too cocky. I'm even hesitant to say this news, but the Washington Post officially will not endorse a presidential candidate. And that is 100, has nothing to do with Washington Post and everything to do with Blue Origin. Do you know what Blue Origin is? If you don't know, no, no, no. It's breaking news, Blake. Blake, look at MSNBC. Unless MSNBC says breaking news, Washington Post won't endorse president. They're reporting it as news. So maybe they're wrong, but you can fact check me.

It's all to do with Blue Origin.

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We have so many topics to cover here. I do want to hit the Bezos thing, but let's close the loop. Charlie, and it's only fitting that I would be the one to throw to this. This is the second part of that Mark McKinnon MSNBC Stephanie Rule clip where she asks, her eyes are blown away, her mind's getting blown in real time, and she says, where's the Charlie Kirk on the left? 124.

Is there anyone like Charlie Kirk, like I'm almost squishy saying that because there isn't a Charlie Kirk, but is there any Charlie Kirk equivalent on the left that is energizing young men for Democrats? Well, Kamala Harris energized young men. As soon as the women had a call when she was elevated to be the candidate, the men got on the call the very next day. Hey.

Kamala Harris energizes young men like I do. Yeah, yeah. I think we probably... Again, the men is a deceit. That's fine, but that's not the takeaway. AOC? Yeah, AOC energizes young men. What about Pete Buttigieg? Yeah, no, he's great with that. Everybody, I want to just encourage you to go vote now. There's a couple things happening right now. I'm going to do this the best I can without coughing hysterically.

The Google CEO called Donald Trump in the last couple days. The Washington Post just refused to endorse Donald Trump. What's going on here? There are these oligarchs and these titans that are very worried that Trump is going to win. I want to be very clear with you guys. This is not the time to get cocky. This is not the time to loosen up. In fact, I'm going to show you a video of exactly...

What I'm afraid we're going to do if we just get too high in our own supply. But these are tells. And this shows us that we can win. This shows us that we can win. Again, the Washington Post, this is probably the greatest story of the whole thing. You want to think, oh, polls and early voting. If that doesn't convince you, those of you that say, oh, they're going to steal it and all that. Hold on a second. The Too Big to Rig project is in formation right now.

The Washington Post is Soviet Pravda, right, Andrew? I mean, they are so bad. Washington Post is, I would say, 70% Soviet Pravda. Yeah, I mean, it is bad. It is rotten to the core, in my opinion. They're not as bad as the AP. No, that's actually true. That is legit. And the New York Times is much better than the Washington Post, for the record. So the Washington Post failing to endorse either candidate. They're going to have a mutiny on their hands. Why is that? It's because Jeff Bezos pulled rank and said, I'm in charge.

I have a rocket company, and I'm terrified that Elon Musk is going to use the federal government and his favor and his friendship with Trump to go after my ability to launch rockets into orbit. Understand, Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk hate each other when it comes to the space wars. Hate each other. So this right here is three-dimensional chess. Understand this. Bezos thinks Trump is going to win. He sees that Elon and Trump are buddies, right?

And he's like, oh, boy, Elon would totally make a phone call to Trump and tell him to pull our permits or to just kind of mess with us. Does that make sense, Andrew? A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, the Elon Musk dynamic here, you've got the fact that he's also a tech guy. We're talking about how, you know, big tech is seeing this kind of... This is Space Wars. Yeah, exactly. So these guys all understand...

that where things are trending and they're getting ahead of it. I think that's absolutely clear. Because of my connection to you, I get to be around some of the most high-performing men on planet Earth.

And the way that that dynamic, the rivalry between Bezos and Elon Musk or Bezos and Tim Cook or Elon and Tim Cook, people cannot underestimate that when you get to a certain level, the type of who's going to win energy. Yes, it gives a lot of these guys purpose. There's nothing else. Bezos has $180 billion. Elon has $290 billion. There's like five people that matter at that level. Right. And they both in their life...

have had this obsession with dominating space travel. So anyway, that's what's going on here. Bezos called the Washington Post, said, I'm in charge. I own this. You're not endorsing. And then I guarantee you, Bezos is now back-channeling to Trump, winking and nodding, being like, yo, we're good, right? And that's exactly why the CEO of Google also called Trump and tried to flatter him. And Zuckerberg. So what you are seeing, to put this in summary, is the oligarchs.

I'll think Trump is going to win. Zuckerberg was first. He must have saw something in the algorithms. I think he saw something in the waves of data. Well, Zuckerberg has the metadata from, I didn't mean to even use that expression, but from Instagram and Facebook. Oh, yeah, he can see trends. He can see velocity of topics. Yeah, 100%. And so you think about it. You got Zuckerberg, Sundar Pichai, and Bezos that are now all of a sudden trying to suck up to Trump because they know Trump,

very well might soon be in charge of a $6 trillion federal government. And all the federal contracts. And all three of them are very reliant on friendly relationships with the government. So I want to encourage you guys to go vote right now. That right there is news that we can win. But we could fumble the ball at the one-yard line. I want to play that tape. We could fumble the ball at the one-yard line. Will we? Go find someone that was not going to vote and drag them to the polls.

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Joining us now is one of our favorite guests, Tom Klingenstein, to discuss several topics, but we want to first talk about Tim Walls and some education news. It's TomKlingenstein.com, writer, philanthropist, and playwright. Tom, welcome back to the program.

Well, Charlie, nice to be here. Thank you. So, Tom, I do want to play this tape here. I think we're still loading it up. But why don't we – you introduce our audience to this idea. The radical revolutionary influence behind Tim Walz's education policy. Please tell our audience about it. Well, the man you're going to see is –

probably one of the most prominent authorities on something called ethnic studies. And you can think about ethnic studies as critical race theory. They're essentially the same. They both want to overthrow America. What makes this video so important is that it is the first time I know of

when a prominent national advocate of critical race theory explicitly says, says out loud, the purpose of critical race theory is to destroy America. Now, this may look like a nobody. It may even look like a moron. And he may even be a moron. But he is prominent and most significantly important

He is Tim Walz's most important investment education advisor. At the center of Tim Walz's education program is this thing called ethnic studies. And Lozenski is its leader. As I say, it is revolutionary insofar as it seeks, as it obviously does, the overthrow of America.

So here we have the vice presidential candidate hiring, relying on a man who wants to destroy America. Now, Waltz would try to distance himself from Lissinsky, but that's very difficult.

Because he appointed Luszynski, he knows exactly what's in this ethnic studies. He promoted the legislation that authorized it. It is not unreasonable to say, it may be unbelievable, but it's not unreasonable to say that Walsh wants to destroy America. Now, he would, of course, say he wants to improve it.

But I would say in improving it, in quotes, he will, in effect, maybe he doesn't know it, overthrow America. And frankly, I think he does know it. Again, he wouldn't admit it, but he knows it. And to go one step further, this is the man that Harris chose as her vice president. Now, she had many others.

or a number of other more qualified candidates to be vice president. She chose this one because he was ideologically and policy compatible with her. Again, I would say that Harris wants to overthrow America. I would also say, of course, she doesn't think that's what she wants.

And I'm sure she would say that all she wants to do is improve America. But her improving will involve, will necessarily involve overthrowing America. This is what makes this video so important. It ought to be the most important video of this election. So far, it isn't.

But it's my job and other people's job to make it so. That's why I came on this podcast, because Charlie has such...

such reach and reach is very important people. Well, Tom, that was a wonderful setup. We have the clip here. I don't want everyone to listen carefully. I agree, Tom. This should be the most important clip of this election. And what were to happen if Tim Walz becomes vice president? Remember, Tim Walz was a public school teacher. Education is his thing. It wouldn't be unreasonable to say that if Kamala Harris wins, she would give some of the educational policy portfolio to Tim Walz and this

this individual. Let's play cut 130, please. And we're also sometimes lying on ourselves when people say like, oh, we can, we use critical race theory in school. We don't use critical race theory in school. The first tenant of critical race theory is that the United States as constructed is irreversibly racist. So if the nation state as constructed is irreversibly racist, then

then it must be done with. It must be overthrown, right? And so we can't be like, oh no, critical race theory is just about telling our stories and diverse. It's not about that. It's about overthrow. It's insurgent. And we need to be, I think, more honest with that. And it's funny that they don't understand critical race theory, but they actually tell some truth when they're like, yeah, it is anti-state. You can't be a critical race theorist and be pro-US, right?

Okay, it's a it is an anti state theory that says the United States needs to be deconstructed, period, right? Like that's, you know, and so I think I think it's an interesting argument there. And that's why I'm a critical race theorist.

Whoa. I mean, Tom, that is chilling stuff. He is a Ph.D. from University of Minnesota, and he was appointed for a role from Tim Walz. Tom, this would be one of the more revolutionary individuals ever to be involved in the U.S. government. Yes, and I think it's important to reiterate, this guy...

is important. He's the foremost authority on this ethnic studies in Minnesota, and he is the de facto leader of Waltz's ethnic study program. It ought to be chilling. Trump talks about the enemy within. He says it's far more dangerous than our external enemies.

This is the face of the enemy within. So far, we don't really have a face. Harris, Pelosi, Biden, they are stooges.

They are titular leaders, but behind them are the brains, and I hate to say it, but this seems to be one of the brains, who are hooking up this revolutionary theory that's going to destroy us because in a revolution, the first thing you have to do is educate the citizens in your narrative. Their narrative is America is racist.

So that's what they've got to educate us or our children. And Charlie, if I may read some standards that have been put out for first graders, you might not, I don't understand all these words. It says first graders must identify examples of ethnicity, equality, liberation, and systems of power

and use these examples to construct meanings for those terms. Now, these are fifth graders. I, in your audience, no doubt find this jargon impenetrable, which of course is its intention. But each one of these words or terms points in the destruction of the overthrow of the American way of life.

This obviously has corrupted Minnesota and is corrupting to various degrees of speed other states around the country. So this election is not about two people who have different policy ideas within the same regime. This election is about representatives of two different regimes.

One, Harris's regime and Lusinski's regime is based on group quotas. Trump's regime is based on merit. You can't have both. If you're admitting people to college, you can do it on merit or you can do it on group quotas, but you can't do both. It's one or the other.

And if I were framing the election, one way to do it would be to say it's a choice between those who believe in group quotas and those who believe in merit. Well, very, very quickly, Tom, and I know you address this on your website, Tom Klingenside dot com. And you said it briefly, but I want to reiterate it. Is he just an outlier? I mean, governors can make mistakes after all, right?

Absolutely. And so it's important. And I do in my piece on my website.

establish that he's a serious player nationally, and he's very prominent within the waltz administration. Obviously, they're going to try to distance themselves from him, but it's very difficult because waltz has his fingerprints all over this guy. By the way, Charlie, if I were Trump, if I had a word with Trump, which I'm trying to do,

I tell him at his next rally, play this one minute bus video. It would be chilling and it would be a way for him to say, here is the enemy. Here's the face of the enemy.

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So, Tom, you recently interviewed Donald Trump. Tell us about that. I would say it was a hoot. It was an unusual interview. At the end of it, he said, gee, this was an unusual interview, which it was because I went down there for a couple purposes. The first was to give him advice. So,

A significant part, certainly not a majority, but a significant part was me giving advice and explaining to him that we're in a war and the nature of that war. He knows we're in a war. He says, as I said earlier, that the enemy within is far more dangerous than the enemy without.

But he stops there. He needs to explain that enemy within, which, as I said in the last segment, is made a lot easier because he now has a face of it.

So I wanted to explain to him, I wanted to flesh out his understanding about the danger of the enemy within. And I wanted to explain both theoretically and empirically why it's a war. I also wanted to bring out his likability. He is likable. And if you get him relaxed and you don't play gotcha,

He's very likable. And the other thing I tried to do, which is a little presumptuous, is I tried to explain some of his virtues to him. You know, Trump is not necessarily the most reflective human being, but he has virtues that he doesn't, that he may know about, but doesn't understand their significance. For example,

Trump has no white guilt. He doesn't think America is racist. And therefore, when the other side says America is racist, he can say horse manure. And that's another thing that Trump is good at. He's an asserter. He's not an explainer.

And if you're in a war, you assert, you don't explain, you don't argue, facts don't matter, you assert. So calling out some of his virtues, again, that aren't talked about so much. And of course, the most important virtue, I think, that is talked about some is authenticity.

Trump is the same, whether he's on the golf course talking to me, talking to you, talking to the press. You may not like him, but you know who he is. You know, Tim Walz went out, orchestrated a hunting scene, right? He went out and hunted.

Well, he didn't know anything about hunting. Trump would never have done that. Not in 100 years. Because that's not Trump. And authenticity...

in politics is very, very difficult. And people respond to that. In closing here, Tom, we are in a war. How is Donald Trump doing in your estimation, just looking at it from the outside, in defeating the enemy? Well, he's our only hope, I think. He senses, can't always explain that there's an enemy. He certainly knows pieces of it. He knows he's got to get rid of wokeism. He knows he has to get

the woke intelligence agencies and military fixed up. Obviously, he knows he's got to fix the border.

So Trump, to me, is our best chance. We've never had as good a chance. And of course, Harris is just going to drive us closer to the cliff. So I'm with you. Your audience should find anyone living, of course, and bring them to the polls. This is the most important election since 1860, because as I said in the earlier segment,

This is about two different regimes. It's like in the Civil War, you either thought slavery was good and wanted to grow it, or you thought it was bad and wanted to contract it. Those were two different regimes. We today are involved in a fight between two regimes. Trump is great.

But we need some officers. We need some of our smart Republicans, and we have many.

who can coalesce the Republican Party around the enemy. Tom, excellent analysis. Thank you. And just so you know, what we're doing at Turning Point Action, we have successfully chased over 50,000 low propensity voters in Arizona alone, and we're doing it every day. Actually, sorry, the new numbers just dropped, and it's 66,000. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.