Arizona's Most Liberal College: Charlie vs. Northern Arizona University
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I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here.

All right, who's up? Masked man, what's up?

What's up, Charlie? Can you hear me? I can, but I can't see you. Okay, that's okay. So, Charlie, I have a few questions, if that's okay. There's not too many people in the back, so I don't want to take up too much time. Just so you know, the mic won't give you COVID, so you can take your mask off. That's okay. That's okay. Or is it you're afraid that people will know who you are? No, I just don't want the Internet to know. I just don't want the Internet to know.

So, Charlie, I have a few questions for you. I guess we'll start off – I'm going to start off with the easiest one and go into it. So do you believe the 2020 election was rigged, yes or no? Yes, it was, but it was rigged in an untraditional way. Okay, okay, okay. So, okay, I guess that'll be my follow-up question. So how do you think it was rigged?

Yeah, it was rigged through the information that we, the people, could consume. You would agree the CIA should not interfere with our elections, right? Yeah, I would agree with that. And the CIA did. Yeah, so the CIA actively involved itself in the presidential election of 2020 where the Media Research Center said that one in four swing voters would have changed their votes if voters would have known about the Hunter Biden laptop. Yeah, and it was marked as Russian disinformation. I lost access to my Twitter account, so did the New York Post. So you agree that when the CIA, the FBI, and the Department of Justice interferes with our elections, that's bad. Yeah, I would agree with that. Okay, therefore rigged.

Okay, so I guess to go on this topic a little bit more. So you don't believe it was like ballot boxes were rigged or anything like that? I mean, there was some suspicious stuff, but I focus on information warfare because I think that's actually more than anything else how elections are decided. Okay, because I was going to then ask you if you really think voting is rigged and why encourage people to go out and vote. Well, again, I'm about information warfare. That's what I've always been focused on. Okay, so you don't really believe it was like...

It's better than saying he vote for Kamala.

I'm not going to play. If you truly believe it's rigged, I'm not going to play a rigged game. Anyway, so that would lead me to my next question. So Charlie, you say you're against identity politics. Is that correct? Yeah, but I mean some identities matter. Yeah, like male-female identities. Sure, no, I agree. That's not going to be my question, Charlie. So your organization, Turning Point USA, you guys have a black leadership summit, a Jewish leadership. You guys have stuff like that. So if you claim to be against identity politics, why do you have these summits?

Well, yeah, I mean, first of all, culture matters. You would agree that Jewish culture is different than Christian culture, yeah? Very much so. And so there are some identities that absolutely do matter. But again, identity politics at its core is that you must believe a certain thing based on your skin color. We reject that. That is the definition of identity politics. We do not believe that. We believe that every individual should be able to make their decisions free of their skin color, and there should be no expectation on your worldview just based on the melanin content of your skin. I would generally agree with that. But one question I would like to ask. Last question, yes. Oh, last question. Thank you.

Yeah, we got a long line, so last one. Alright, well then I'll have to skip that then. I'll go to this question. So Charlie, why do you say Israel is our biggest ally when Israel has sold U.S. information to other countries like Russia and China, according to former CIA director James Woolsey? Yeah, I mean, look, first of all, Israel is an ally, whether it's the greatest ally or not, but I just want to make sure we're morally clear. Do you believe the Jews have a right to their ancestral homeland? Sure, but I believe everybody has a right to an

Hold on, but no, that's very important. So their neighbors do not believe that, many of them. They believe in the total elimination and extermination of the Jewish people. So we can agree that is wrong, and that when any person is marked for genocide, we should stand against that. I would agree. Yes, okay, so yeah, I mean, again, Israel's not a perfect country, but... But why do you continue to send, why do you continue to advocate for foreign aid to Israel?

Well, first of all, I think, number one, a lot of it is U.S. weaponry. The amount we can debate, but the question is not about the aid. The more important question is, do you think that Israel has been a good thing since its development and its charter, since the Balfour Declaration, or a bad thing? I would imagine you would say a good thing, right? I don't think it's necessarily a good or bad thing. I mean,

I mean, it's whatever. Okay, I think it's actually a great thing. I look at it as a miracle. Many people look at it as a mistake. I think that it has Western values in a largely totalitarian region. We can agree to disagree. I'm not saying the Israeli government is perfect, but Jews have a right to their own country. And I'll say the final thing. Do you have strong opinions...

about the civil war in the Central African Republic or strong opinions about the border war happening. No, Charlie, that's not my question. No, no, no, hold on. This is important. No, no, no, it is important because Israel gets all the condemnation of college kids because it just so happens a country where half the world's Jews get all the protests, all the anger, and yet the genocides happening in Central Africa and the extermination of people happening in Armenia from the invasion of Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan get no attention. Why? Why?

It's because there happens to be latent anti-Semitism and Jew hatred within this country, and we should not put up with it. Thank you so much. I want to get to the next question. Thank you. Hey, Charlie. How are you doing? Awesome. So just real quick, I'm curious, what are your opinions on congressional term limits and lobbying in the United States? I think I heard you said congressional term limits. And lobbying. I'm in favor, and I think we need strict lobbying reform. Okay. How do you think we go about that in a nonviolent fashion?

Oh boy, well hopefully it'll be non-violent. It needs to be done probably through a convention of states and a citizen referendum. I think it's wrong that we have people in DC that have been there twice as long as you guys have been alive. And I think that's a bipartisan issue. I 100% agree with that. How would you recommend we organize 330 million people to solve this issue and come up with a solution to get these changes made?

So a couple things. Number one, you need a president to call for it. And then the Constitution has Article 5, which allows a convention of states. So states can meet outside of Congress. And I think we need to say that, number one, you can only serve like three or four terms in Congress. I mean, this is bipartisan. I don't think it's good that Mitch McConnell's been there for 40 years. I don't think it's good that Nancy Pelosi's been there for 40 years, right? And so the way to do it is hard. We need a president to call for it, run on it, and then it has to go through the states.

Do you think Donald Trump would call for that? Potentially. He has in the past, but I would like to see him do that even more. I think it would actually be a political winner for him. I 100% agree with you. Do you think Kamala Harris would do that? No. No.

Awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right, disagreements most welcome or just things on your mind? And again, if you disagree, you can work your way to the front of the line. Yes, what's on your mind? Hello, Charlie. So me and all these young men and women here have the potential for greatness. And we're all here in school trying to get a career, whether that is...

here in America or globally? And so I guess I'm trying to ask what is like at least main points, what are the economic policies that Trump has and how can it affect us back at home and globally? Because I've been told, for example, like tariffs would hurt us.

Yeah, well, first of all, we don't have to wonder what Trump will do as president. When Trump was president, the economy was better and all of you were able to own homes. And I want everyone in the audience here that might hate Trump to listen to this or that people are in the middle. When Donald Trump was president, it required seventy five thousand dollars a year to be able to buy a home in Flagstaff.

Now it requires $130,000 a year to buy a home in Flagstaff. And it's even more in the Valley. Why is that happening? It's because Kamala Harris and Joe Biden decided to spend $6 trillion unnecessarily that then flooded the zone with cheap money and inflated asset prices. This is simple supply and demand. Secondly, we opened up our borders to 10 million people. When you have more people in the country and you have a finite good, the price will go up. That is why diamonds are expensive and sand is cheap.

is because when you have a lot of something, it's not worth a lot of money. When you have a little something, it goes up in value and in price. When Trump was president, young people had the best economy in American history. You guys are entering one of the worst economies in modern American history.

very, very hard to afford homes, very hard to afford groceries, very, very hard to afford basic necessities. And so when Trump was president, he had low taxes, great energy policy, and tariffs do not wreck the economy. Instead, it preserves American jobs and American labor because we need to make stuff in this country again.

So would you say also globally things will get better because we're in a state of chaos? Not I mean, yes, I think that's the other thing. When Trump was president, we saw world peace. We saw no new wars. You see, we had new wars under Clinton, new wars under Bush, new wars under Obama, new wars under Biden. But the only four years of the last 32 years we have not seen new wars is those four years of Donald Trump. We had peace when Trump was president.

28 out of 32 of the last... I just turned 31 yesterday. So my entire life, thank you, my entire life, we've known nothing but war. Invading Iraq, invading Afghanistan, war in Ukraine, the war with Israel. We've known nothing but war. But for four years, Donald Trump gave us relative peace in the Middle East in an amazing way. We had the Abraham Accords. Putin did not invade Ukraine. We did not have a new war with American ground troops.

It was an amazing, amazing accomplishment, something that even honest Democrats should give him credit for. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you very much. Thank you. Hey, everybody. Charlie Kirk here. As we gear up for another important election year, remember that we vote every day with our dollar. One of the best ways to support America is by buying from local farms and ranches. Good Ranchers makes this easy by delivering 100% American meat to your door. When you shop with Good Ranchers, you're not just getting the best meat for your family, but also supporting American farmers and ranchers.

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a major, I assume, a major MAGA Republican. What is your opinion on the trans community overall? Well, it depends on what you mean. Obviously, there are people that have mental illnesses that is called transgenderism, but you cannot believe...

Which part do you disagree with mental illness? Okay, got it. So just for you would be a more of a way of self-expression right but gender dysphoria Was part of the DSM 3 and 4 which was categorized as a mental illness until recently you would agree, right? Yes, so almost every doctor you have over the age of 40 was schooled in a world where transgenderism was considered to be a mental illness only until recently We don't call the mental illness the world has changed Well has science changed?

Depends. Well, like, for example, does force equal mass times acceleration? Yes. Was that true in 1960? Yes. Is it true today? Yes. So science doesn't change just because the world changes? But I feel like it's more of like this...

Because I do agree that science does not change, but society does change, and it's the way society moves around. No, no, for sure. I agree. First of all, what's your name? Gavin. Gavin. Let me tell you my position. Okay. My position is that people that have transgenderism are suffering under an affliction, and they need help. And that help must first start with therapy of the brain, not of the body. Do you know any transgender people?

I've met plenty and I know plenty. And let me tell you, many of whom are struggling with undiagnosed issues other than transgenderism. Let me give you an example. If you come to me and you say, I have a fever. I don't know if your appendix has burst, if you have COVID, the flu, or a cold. I don't know. Transgenderism is a symptom of other underlying mental issues, such as bipolar disorder.

depression, anxiety, potentially schizophrenia. In fact, there's almost no documented cases of a person with transgenderism that does not have two or three other associated mental type issues. So instead of trying to say, we're going to cut off your parts and give you hormone therapy or testosterone replacement therapy, shouldn't we treat the brain before we chop off the body? So you believe in conversion therapy?

Well, it's not conversion therapy. It's called realignment therapy, which has worked. It's called watchful waiting. We on Team Reality believe that puberty is not the problem. Puberty is the solution. So if a young lady, for example, is 14 years old and she says, I think I am a boy, instead of giving her testosterone, we should see if she will grow out of that phase. Almost every single young lady in this audience will tell you there was a time in her teenage years where she felt uncomfortable in her body. Would you agree, young ladies? Yes.

Aren't you glad that you guys did not have your breasts chopped off at your most vulnerable time? You see...

And this goes back to a more fundamental issue. We on Team Reality believe that you cannot be something just because you think you are something. You cannot think you are a man if you have excess chromosomes. You cannot think you are a woman if you have XY chromosomes. No different than you can think that you're a giraffe or I can think you are an eagle. What you think does not determine your reality.

So I do know that Arizona and California, they are not allowed to do transgender surgeries until the age of 18, which I do agree with. Not in California. In Arizona, that is the case. I did. I Googled it last night. It said California was, but I could be wrong. They have gender-affirming care in California. Okay, because I do agree with...

Being able needing to be an adult to be able to do it because when you're a child, your brain is not fully developed. We totally agree. That's really important. And I'm glad we have common ground on that. That's a huge breakthrough. And I just want to make sure we can appreciate that because right now in many other states, let's pretend you're right about California because maybe I missed that.

There are thousands of kids that are receiving gender-affirming care, and we can both believe you must be at least 18 to get that treatment. So I'm glad we have common ground. Please continue. I do believe we should allow gender-affirming care in adults and people who do feel uncomfortable in their own bodies in that way. And with the mental illness, I do know that a lot of neurodivergent people do. A lot of trans people are neurodivergent as well. I'm just afraid of the limit of self-expression coming into these communities.

Next few years if Trump were to win. Okay, so let me just ask you a couple questions and they're not trap questions, okay? Because there are more questions about reality than they are politics and I think that how you view reality then determines your political views. You would agree? Yes. Okay, so can someone that has XY chromosomes, a male, can that person be a female? Yes.

When it comes to sex, no. When it comes to gender, yes. Okay, so I believe gender doesn't exist. There are two sexes, no genders, infinite personalities, right? So gender is a term that was coined by John Money and Judith Butler that is relatively new. So can you ever become another sex with surgery or wearing a dress? Yes, if you put your mind to it.

No, you can't technically. I mean, you can get bottom surgery, but you can't change your chromosomes. But I don't believe in the changing the sex. I believe that people should express. I don't believe in gender, but people I feel like people should express how they feel in their body when it comes to expressing themselves in a gender. Because I do know a lot of men who express themselves more femininely rather than masculinely on the way around with women. Yeah, but hold on. I interrupt you. You're using feminine and masculine as binaries when you say that.

Yeah. So you're already establishing the standard of which is a biological standard, right? And which is important. And you are different than some trans activists. I'm not saying you're a trans activist. Well, they'll say the masculine and the feminine do not exist. And, you know, the binary is not real. We generally have agreement. My disposition is if you're a 30-year-old and you want to wear a dress, that's not really my business. However, let me ask you a question.

If you told me that you were a man when you were not, or vice versa, should I be forced to use pronouns that I know that are not correct?

To respect the person, you should use the pronouns they prefer. No, should I be forced to use the pronouns? Not forced, because we do have freedom of speech. It's in the First Amendment. We agree. Yes. We agree. So we don't disagree on much. And so basically we can say kids should be off limits, adults should be able to be free what they do, and we can agree to disagree on what is respectful or not. Yes. I just wanted to know what your beliefs were on it, just as a curiosity. Very good. Thank you.

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I'm asking a few questions on the behalf of my 16 year old brother Apollo. When I told him you were coming today, he got really excited because he's a huge fan of yours. He was wondering now, how do you feel the left side will react in response to our former President Trump being re-elected? Well yeah, I mean, you see that lunatic with the cowbell? Imagine that times like a thousand. If Donald Trump becomes the next president, that guy needs help if Trump wins.

Because they are going to lose their mind. Yes, sir. And honestly, I'm kind of excited for it, to be honest, if Donald Trump wins again. But yes, what else? And my last question is, if Kamala Harris wins the election, do you think the backlash will lead to a revolution or a civil war? No, I hope not. I mean, look, a lot of us are going to go to jail if she wins, myself included. And that's not a joke.

Her administration has said for a while, and what they've done with Steve Bannon, Peter Navarro, Donald Trump, they do not agree to disagree. Again, that's a perfect example. They will interrupt you. They will try to put you in jail. They'll try to put you in handcuffs. So if Kamala wins, we need to stay close to one another, not give up on America, and keep on fighting. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. I agree. I appreciate your impartiality to a bunch of different debatable topics. And thank you for inspiring my brother and me to come up and ask these questions. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. God bless you. Thank you. Thank you. You too. Thank you.

Just a reminder, everybody, here in Coconino County, voting is active and open, so make sure you guys go make a plan to vote. Who here got a mail-in ballot? Anybody? Turn those in, everybody, all right? In fact, I believe there are drop boxes here on campus, all right? Get those ballots in. Yes, what's on your mind? Hi, my name is Frederica. I'm the president of Students for Life here at NAU. I have two questions. The first question is...

Why should we vote no on Prop 139? This is really important. So Prop 139, unfortunately, is getting a ton of money and is looking like it's likely to pass unless we open people's eyes to it. I'm 100% pro-life, as I imagine you are, but this proposition goes too far. This proposition puts no limits on abortion and would make Arizona a late-term abortion capital of the country, meaning abortion all the way up until the moment of birth.

Look, I'm an abortion abolitionist. I want to see no abortion whatsoever. But I bet almost everyone in this audience would say we should not have laws that are more extreme than the laws of France, Germany, the Netherlands, and all of Europe when it comes to late-term abortion. This would allow late-term abortion, including for minors, including for 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds without parental consent. This is so extreme. I hope people wake up to it and that we reject Prop 139.

Absolutely. My second question is, why are you a white man against Kamala Harris? Say it again. Why are you a white man against Kamala Harris? Why am I a white dude against Kamala Harris? Because I have a brain. And so, look, I love when I meet these white dudes for Harris. I would love to meet some today. But look, here's the reality. Kamala Harris has not earned your vote, even if you're a Democrat. Amen. Amen.

She did not win your primary. She did not tell you why she should be your nominee. Instead, they put Kamala Harris in a late bait and switch type of agreement to all of a sudden she gets this coronation. She has helped destroy this country with Joe Biden. Wide open border, terrible economy, wars overseas. Donald Trump will restore this country back to peace, prosperity, and make it easier for all of you guys to be able to own homes. Thank you, sir.

Thank you. Hey, I got two questions. What's your name? Caden Dixon. Nice to meet you. Can we get the mic up? Hey, how do you feel about gays and should you circumcise your kids? Well, how do I feel about gays? I mean, all people are equal in the eyes of God. My religion teaches me that homosexuality is a sin. And so...

I believe the behavior of homosexuality is a sin. You guys can disagree with that. That's what my religion teaches me. However, in the conservative movement and on our team, we have a lot of people that are same-sex attracted and do an amazing job and are part of Turning Point USA, and we welcome them in that way. As far as circumcision, it's a personal decision. The rest of the world does not circumcise. I will say this. There's a lot more errors when it comes to circumcision than people would ever tell you. It's not for cleanliness, and there's a lot more issues with it related. Seventy-five percent of the world does not circumcise. So just...

So just keep that in mind. But it's a personal decision. I don't talk about it publicly very much. Thank you. Thank you. I have never received a question on circumcision. So kudos to you, man. And a very important issue, by the way. How's it going, Charlie? Let me see. I just really wanted to address the legal immigration, especially within the last four years.

And I was wondering, why do you think other countries aren't judged for having a strict immigration policy? For example, Poland, they'll shoot you if you try to break in. But yet America is somehow expected to be the savior for all the asylum seekers. Why is it America's job to be the savior for all those fleeing to our country?

That's a great question. It's because we've become a weak country, and we have fallen under our own lies where we say that we must open our doors to all people at all times. Everybody, here's the rule. We should not have any open borders at all ever, and we should not have relaxed immigration until you guys...

have a life as good as your parents. That is the deal. Until you guys are able to have the same quality of living that your parents had, you should not open the doors to the rest of the world. You guys are the first generation since George Washington. The first generation since George Washington.

to have a lower standard of living than your parents. That's remarkable. And so we should not open up the doors of America to other countries until our own children of America are able to achieve the American dream.

Great question. Thank you. And then I just wanted to close it off by it seems as if we're more concerned with improving the lives of asylum seekers and illegal immigrants more so than improving American lives. How do we fix that? Well, we elect Trump, and then we put our citizens first. You see, Kamala Harris believes in putting foreigners over Americans. How many of you guys get free luxury hotel rooms?

How about flights to the city of your choosing? Or, well, maybe you guys get free cell phones if your parents pay for it. But, I mean, the point being is that we are giving the foreigners of the world any vetting, any background checks, free flights to any city they're choosing, luxury hotels, cell phones, and food stamps. This is ridiculous. It's insane. We are paying for this. We have spent...

Hundreds of billions of dollars on foreigners coming into America while you guys can't afford groceries or buy a home It's a breakdown of the social contract Donald Trump will fix it and put you guys first I appreciate it Hey, how's it going?

I have a quick question. So I'm a fellow Republican, and I plan on voting Donald Trump in November. But there's a real possibility that Kamala Harris wins. So if Kamala Harris were to win, what policies would she implement to hurt the country? Well, it's great. I mean, first of all, she's lying about almost every core position. Number one, she would try to eliminate the Electoral College, which means that it would be

the end of Arizona and Georgia having the appropriate say in our elections. Number two, she would end a lot of fossil fuel exploration and energy exploration, rising the price of energy. Number three, she wants to tax unrealized gains. I can't even tell you how bad of an idea this is. I know this is very wonky. It'd be very hard for you guys to find jobs. She would further wreck the economy.

She wants to spend trillions of dollars we do not have that would continue hyperinflation. But most importantly, the border would be open. Another 20 million people would come in this country illegally. And I believe she would get us to World War III. I believe many people in this audience would be drafted into a world war if Kamala Harris were to win this election. Thank you. I appreciate it. You want a hat? Yes, please. Great.

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Hi. I don't really have a specific question. What is something that you like to debate about? What's on your mind? I want to make it more fair for you. I'm not here to pick debates. I'm here to try to teach.

So, what do you tend to be more conservative or liberal? More liberal. Okay. Tell me how you got to that way and tell me. It is not a trick. I'm not here to debate college kids. I'm here to try to teach. If someone debates me, I'll debate back. I mean, it's kind of just what aligns with my morals. I'm myself. I'm a queer person.

And I know that you have a lot of stuff that you wouldn't agree with me on. But I think it's important to actually debate the topics and not just fight. I totally agree. Can I ask a dumb question? Yeah. When I grew up, calling someone queer was like a slur. Can you tell me what that means? I mean that sincerely. And how is it different than just saying you're lesbian or bisexual or gay? So it can be different for everyone because gender, sexuality, it's a spectrum just like anything else.

And for me personally, I like everyone. But what does queer mean, though? Queer? It's just a label. What does the label mean? So it's different for everyone. Okay. I know, but that doesn't...

I hear people going, oh my God. No, I just want a definition. I'm not trying to put you as a trap, though. I mean this because when I grew up, if I called somebody queer, I would get in trouble. Just give me like a working definition. Yeah, so queer is just something that you identify as with your sexuality. It can be related to gender, too. Right, but how do you know once you achieve queer? Like what is the... Can you give me...

Saying that anybody can be it doesn't tell me what that thing is. Does that make sense, though? It'd be like saying you become an adult when you feel like you're an adult. I mean, you have to say that there is an objective... I'm glad that everyone's having so much fun with this. Well, they're laughing because I'm trying to glean what it means. Yeah. Because when someone says queer, that doesn't tell me anything. Yeah, so that's what a debate is for. For...

Thank you. So it's literally just an identity thing.

Right, okay. What is that identity? Right, but like what is that identity? For example, if I were to say I'm a conservative, let me give an example. A conservative is someone who believes in small government, strong borders, American exceptionalism, the Constitution. How would you then give a definition of queer that someone looking at could say, oh, that is queer, like connect the dots? So I'm gay, right? Okay, no, that's good. So what's the difference between gay and queer?

The whole point of it is that it has a different definition for everyone. No, I know, but what is the difference then of gay and queer? Next person. No! I get more questions, right? Yeah, sure. When did I say I was good at it? No, guys, I'm not trying... I mean this because I think that in society, just so you know my perspective...

They're not chanting at you, just you know. No, I have a real question. I have a real question. What policies, what are your favorite policies that you want implemented from Trump? Like if he were to be elected. Okay, yeah, I think that if you're an illegal in this country and you commit a crime, you should be sent back to your country of origin.

Is there anything else? Oh, there's a lot more. I think we should drill our natural resources to bring down the price of oil and natural gas. I think we should broker peace between Russia and Ukraine. I think we should try to end the Israeli war as quickly and as humanely possible. I believe we should secure the southern border, cut taxes for middle-income earners, no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on overtime, no men and women's sports.

Those are just some of the policies off the top of my head. Yeah, so I agree that taxes should be lowered because the taxes are extremely high, especially here. And I know you brought up earlier that it's way more expensive now to have housing than it was even like a couple years ago. And I think it's super important to talk about that because it's really impossible for especially college students to be expected to have housing after they graduate.

Totally agree. So why is it that when Trump was president, an average house you could get at $75,000 combined income a year, now it's $130,000 a year. Why is that? Kamala Harris! So I will say that I don't agree with everything that Kamala Harris stands for, and I'm not that knowledgeable about it. That's why I'm having the debate so I can learn. But I also don't agree with Trump. On what, though? I just don't. No.

Can you give me... Boo me! Boo! Boo! Yes! Don't boo. Thank you, guys. Please don't boo. What's your name? Taylor. Taylor, thank you for coming up. Can you give me two things that you don't agree with Trump on, or would you like me to try to win you over for Trump? So, you're not going to be able to do that, but I appreciate it. Well, then you're not open-minded. So...

Well, first of all... If you say that there's nothing you can then hear to win over for Trump, then you've got to give me a good reason, at least two, why you don't like Trump. He's racist. Yup, boo me. Thank you, guys. Okay, so let me ask you a dumb question. Can you define what does it mean to be racist? What?

Do you want me to look up a definition? No, no, I want you to... You said he's a racist, so you must have a definition of racism in your mind. Tell me what that definition is. Okay, so... I'm going to make you guys wait on this.

Ooh, zero knowledge. Guys, please don't heckle. I want to try to understand because these words have a lot of meaning. Yeah. But you can't get... I know it's hard on the spot. I just want you to think about it because if you say Trump is a racist, you should be able to easily give a definition of what that word means. So it's hatred towards another race, right? Yeah.

So when has he ever exhibited that? Give me clear and specific examples. You got one? Well, yeah, I heard someone say he told a... Yes! Okay, but let me just help you out here. What, you think he's a racist because the media has told you he's a racist? Because you can't give me an example off the top of your head, and even when you phone a friend of the audience. I'm not criticizing you.

Maybe the media is lying to you. Maybe the man who's being called a racist is actually someone who's trying to improve lives of all Americans. I think this is fun, guys. So. OK, so let me just ask one final question for you, which is you say you are liberal. Yeah. Right. And you say you lean to the left. Yeah.

Are you open-minded to have your mind changed on your core political principles? On my core political principles? Or philosophical? If it's a fact, then sure. Cool. So can I give you a fact I want you to think about? Kamala Harris, as she's been in charge of the border, we have 320,000 missing children right now in this country.

that were all sex trafficked or labor trafficked across the southern border. Do you agree that that should probably get more attention? I think any type of issue like that should get attention. Have you heard about that before me mentioning it?

Not really. Like I said, I don't really know that much. No, but hold on. But you knew enough to say Trump was a racist. Why do you think you don't know that there's 320,000 missing kids in America? Why is that? It's not really presented in the media. The media is so focused right now on the battle between conservative and liberal. But isn't that a core part of the battle, that the liberal vice president has allowed 320,000 kids to go missing? So how has she allowed that exactly? That's a good question. She's in charge of the border.

She has stopped DNA testing at the border. So if a kid comes to the border, 12 years old, and someone says, I'm their father, there's no DNA rapid test, and it takes 90 seconds to make sure that's actually the father. Most times it's a pimp that is selling the girl into sex slavery in the interior of the United States. Kamala Harris specifically got rid of that policy.

So it was in place before? Yes, when Donald Trump was president, it required DNA testing and families would remain together and they were not granted asylum into the interior of the country and we had remained in Mexico, the lowest border crossings in American history. Under Kamala Harris, we have 10 million people coming illegally into America. Okay.

Next person. All right, I want you to think about these things, and maybe one day you'll remember this conversation, and you'll think back that maybe conservatives have been right all along. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.